The old saying still stands, "Stand outside the Ferrari garage and you wonder why they don't win everything. Stand inside and you wonder how they win anything"
Biggest bullcrap I've ever heard. Ferrari often had some of the best engineer, mechanics, drivers and more team members. They are the most winning team in F1 for a reason and the fact that an Italian team dominates the history of a UK-centered sport makes it even more epic!
@@giuseppemaggio5894 they have most wins because they are old. The same reason why white americans are more wealthy than black americans - they just started earning earlier. And ferrari is less charismatic team for me - what I see from them is ineffective management, poor drivers treatment, loads of political bullshit, low team morale, and besides that they have a special money bonus for being old. Pathetic.
@@giuseppemaggio5894 I totally understand your feelings mate, I am a Ferrari fan too, it certainly has a rich history in the sport and the talent to win as well but it's ambitions are killed by it's inter-team politics. If a team can't win titles with drivers like Alonso and Vettel, the most exceptional talents of modern F1 era, I feel like there are some problems within the team as well.......
The way they treated Kimi, the last person to win a WDC for them, and even more so how they treated Vettel and just threw him to the side, are perfect examples of why Ferrari deserves their 2020 performance
Well in their defense they are the oldest and most successful team in f1 so it's a given theyd have the material for this kind of video. But they have an issue within their operation and stuff. They care too much about their image and tradition which hinders them. If they lower the brands "ego" they might just be back because the infrastructure is there, all it's needed is to get with the times. I hope they change it up for Charles' sake. It'd be a shame if Charles became the best driver never to win the championship.
@@giuseppemaggio5894 really the stat should be percentage of races won. Otherwise drivers who retired or barely raced after they left would obviously be skewed to looking like they did worse after a long stint with the team.
We nearly had kimi raikkonen vs michael schumacher in the same car? That would've definitely been an interesting teammate battle in an alternate universe
From what I've read is that Phillip Morris was willing to finance that 'Schumi, Kimi' dream team by devoting their entire motorsport budget to Maranello.
@@caioangelo_5328 Schumi would of won that for sure. lucky for kimi that he did retire tbh. so basicly massa signed for 2006 with the fact he new he was taking a big risk with no seat their for 2007
Gigsaw Soljier what? Kimi was running circles around Schumi in 2003 and 2005. The only thing that Schumi had in 2007 that Kimi didn’t - his political clout at Ferrari.
Ferrari also managed to ruin every pitstop Vettel made for the last five races, and at one point seem to forget he was even driving when they left him on softs for 75% of a race.
I don’t think Schumacher was afraid of Raikkonen, although Kimi was frighteningly fast in this stage of his career. Schumacher was always a shrewd operator, and he knew that he always had the backing of the dream team with Todt and Brawn. With those figures no longer at Ferrari, Michael would’ve been well aware of the fate that befell great drivers before him like Prost, Mansell or Lauda. Kimi may not have beaten Michael to a title in an equal fight, but this is Ferrari; the fight is never equal. But up against anyone, Schumacher at Ferrari was a force to be reckoned with.
There's much more to Kimi in 2009 than this video tells imo The faces on the Ferrari pitboard at the Belgian GP when Kimi won are of pure shock that the guy they were dumping had won
Once they focused on Raikkonen after Massa’s accident he got results in that car that shouldn’t have been possible. I think he would have been champion in 2010.
its amazing how disfunctional teams are behind the scenes, Williams were equally messed up with firing drivers that were world champions and driving really talented designers away, newey, brawn, willis and many more, makes you wonder how they won at all
that's why i'm a Mercedes fan, they seem to be the one team that actually has their shit together when it comes to organization and being a working environment you'd want to be in, and the results paid off to the tune of 8 straight Constructors titles
I love how vettel, just cracked one joke after another about how terrible his car was, ferrari needs to be takin down a notch. Thats one person they cant pay to keep quiet, unlike the FIA.
The fact is: on multiple occasions Vettel was slower than his teammate. His opinion counts for nought. It will be a miracle if he finishes this season.
@@fintonmainz7845 Maybe tell Ferrari to make a car that actually suits their driver then? Vettel would still have beaten Leclerc in 19 if not for all the reliability failures and being robbed in Canada. Your red clowns make an oversteery car with a lack of rear downforce and then blame Vettel for all their engineering shortcomings. Everyone knows Seb needs a certain kind of car to succeed but if given that he's unstoppable. He had that in 17 and almost beat Merc with a much slower car. In 18, his car was ALMOST as quick as Merc's but it didn't suit him. Then Leclerc comes in and Ferrari build a car that suits his preferences, not a surprise that he beat Vettel. Although in 20 Seb had just given up on the joke that was Ferrari and just wanted to move on.
@@areebsiddiqui758 people like you just have no idea on how F1 works. Team build the fastest car, not the car that suits the fastest driver. The greats like Hamilton, Schumacher, Prost, Villeneuve, Verstappen, and Leclerc--you don’t see them ever tunnel focused on the car not suiting them--they get their head down and just drive the car to it’s maximum. People who chase car setups instead of focusing on their skill like Gasly, Albon, Kvyat, and Vettel, are all dropped to the back now. Now, butthurt Vettel fan, what do you have to say about your petty used to be 4 time world champion? Only as good as his last race, and the last race he had he finished P15
@@kenchen704 bruh. Sir Hamiltons car is set-up around him. The car must be predictable too. While being fast. That's why the SF1000 is mocked as a tractor. The SF21 is slower but no one is making the sBinnala jokes anymore. Because it's under control.
@@TheSt1092 seb warned him with his final letter to him, I hope his loyalty doesn't break his awesome career. I am a Ferrari fan but I hate this team right now, it is so far from the Ferrari of old
I totally agree with poor Seb being the most awkward! Seeing Seb and how much more relaxed and loose he likes to be, Ferrari could of learned a thing or two about how to manage people. I think if the culture had been better for Seb, he would have had 2 titles with them.
@@Refusedlove Could say the same for Ferrari as well tbh. Though being a Ferrari fan, I hope the scuderia can get back on their feet and score wins again.
It's funny now in hindsight reading about Todt managment being labeled as a problem by Alesi. Basically the only boss that made Ferrari look like a well oiled machine similar to Mercedes in the turbo era.
Maybe I can lift the mystery about René Arnoux's falling out with Ferrari and his complaints about his car's lack of performance compared with teammate Michele Alboreto. Gerhard Berger had an interesting story to tell about his year 1987 at Ferrari with that exact teammate Alboreto. During the year he always lost straight line speed compared to Alboreto, sometimes 10 - 15 kph. John Barnard who was the constructor of the car revealed a hair-raising story how he was being approached by Count Zanon, a big supporter of Alboreto. Allegedly Zanon offered Barnard money for intentionally making Berger's car slower. Of course Barnard refused but an engineer for the motor mapping obviously hadn't resisted the offer. He was fired afterwards and suddenly Berger's car had as much power as Alboreto's. The whole episode is described in Berger's book "Grenzbereich" and it wouldn't be a stretch of imagination that something like this happened to Arnoux as well.
Lauda admitted it was mistake because he could've won more championships but he also said that at the time, it was absolutely the right thing to do. Quite nicely explained to be honest.
Berger Alboreto Alesi Massa Irvine Lauda(was buried with the ferrari suit) phill hill Surtees Schekter Andretti tambay Arnoux Capelli Ickx Regazzoni Reutemann Toxic anti ferrari attitude not surprised
that list doesn't even include Schumi or Lauda, good luck finding anyone of note well, Kimi Raikkonen i guess but it's not like he gives a shit about working relationships beyond getting paid on time anyway
Don’t forget Ivan Capelli: a very promising driver whose career was absolutely destroyed by Ferrari’s atmosphere and its catastrophically beautiful 1992 car
Who knows this time ferrari have learnt their lesson and will prevent this from happening I have a sneaky feeling that their 2022 car would be extremely good and also I noticed their strategies and pit crew show improvement . I know Binotto is bad but still I have a feeling the rest of team will deliver next year plus selection of Carlos was a great choice
@@mo215300 we said the same when Vettel was joining the team and we know how toxic the relationship became with the team. When it comes to the 2022 car being good it's very unlikely since the big 3 teams will be struggling with the budget cap. I agree that Carlos is a decent replacement but I don't think him or Charles are gonna get anywhere with Ferrari.
@@mo215300 they didn't change in 30+ years because of their ego, why would they change now. They will probably end up making another Vettel esq relationship with Charles and then drop him in the coming years.
Well in 2009 kimi got involved in FERRARI POLITICS Ferrari needed money due to the financial crisis of 2008 Santander a Spanish bank was ready to give some bank money but they had their terms 'we need Fernando in team' for advertising themselves with a Spanish driver The deal was signed everything was done
Thanks god we saw both of them in the same car and we discovered who fighted for the championship with a "tractor" meanwhile the other one couldn't pass the Q1
Vettel just attracted all the news towards him by announcing his move to Aston and that was a fitting reply to Ferrari for giving him a miserable season. What a legend.
Absolutely true. Micheal bought Ross Brawn and John Bernard and a whole heap of Bennetton guys over. Full credit though to John Todt, he was the one who protected them!
@Stealth Leopard Kimi and Seb worked well together and they were both experienced enough to set up the car as they like it but their driving styles are almost completely different
You are being very kind to the Scuderia over the Raikkonen split... Raikkonen being Ferraris latest champion and won in 2007 in nearly impossible and glorious terms after trailing Hamilton and Alonzo for most of the season was subjected to a smear where any photo of him partying would be met by Montezemolo openly questioning his commitment to racing... Raikkonen not only got his seat back in 2014 but he is probably the first and only driver who also got an apology for his treatment proceeding his exit... I think Montezomolos criticism has aged very poorly...
Ferrari is the reflection of Italy itself, and if it continues, it will only be a memory in history. It's really difficult to deal with italians to not say something worst.
They really know how to mess things up... I never really realised this, but the people who risked and achieved most for them always got an awkward send-off.
As always, Michele Alboreto got completely forgotten about. Ferrari made him lost the 1985 championship and then basically made him n.2 driver behind Berger. Their 1988 split was pure tension
Case in point, he was 3rd near the end of the Belgian GP at Spa when the engine failed. Instead of coming into the pits, he went round in a plum of blue smoke one more time (long lap, 7km), because "when the engine fails you like that, it's better to do one extra lap so you can feel how it disintegrates completely". That didn't go down well in the garage, but he was out for the following season anyway.
🏁Question of the Year!🏁 How long before Charles Leclerc becomes disillusioned with Ferrari and wants out? It's a fair question given that Mattia Binotto has become "Maurizio Arrivabene 2.0" to Leclerc's role as "Seb Vettel 2.0" but without all Seb's mistakes, with one strategy blunder after another and the reality of no end in sight, once again becoming business as usual with the Scuderia. 😔
Red Bull would be: -David Coulthard, crashed on his last race -Mark Webber, Multi 21 fiasco -Daniil Kvyat, replaced mid-season after crashes -Pierre Gasly and Alex Albon, replaced for poor performance
Just one hint about the pronounciation of Sebastian Vettels last name: speak Fettel. That is how we Germans pronounce it. More often than not the letter "v" is pronounced like a very harsh "f"
Interesting video.. you gonna do one on some of the other teams now as well? Given Ferraris long tenure in the sport they're bound to have a fair number, but I can think of several teams who treated their drivers just as badly...
I'll miss Seb in red, but it's best for him to go to a team that supports him and doesn't put so much pressure on him. But hey, it was good until 2019, right?
I like Ferrari, they are iconic in all racing. But damn they are toxic as hell. Poor Vettel's 2020 of distrust and awkwardness was plain and painful to watch. Just hope same does not come for Charles and Carlos.
Ferrari is the epitome of why the phrase "too big to fail" is so funny and and not indeed factual at all... Idk how you treat someone like Prost and Vettel like that. I love Ferrari but Ferrari is in its own way right now. Binotto does NOT seem to be helping.
As much as I love Ferrari, I struggle to defend the out of control politics and general team ethos. The cold hard truth is they end up sabotaging themselves far more than their attitude helps them. They're a very successful team that could, should and would be the ultimate F1 team if only they all decided to push in the same direction.
Yeah they run things very old fashionly with hierarchies and what not, im glad the drivers are now treated less roughly and sainz being the bigger man and not stirring up in the garage
I have never liked Ferrari since I was little and I'll never be a tifosi no matter how irresistible the team is! I was a fan of Sebastian Vettel when he was winning races with Red Bull but that totally changed when he joined Ferrari in 2015! Why are most F1 drivers so obsessed with the idea of joining Ferrari to improve their records? I want Ferrari's records to be broken by non-Ferrari drivers, like McLaren did at the 1993 Australian Grand Prix!
No Luca Badoer? 10 years of faithful service as a test driver, was awarded with a drive of a shit car, then fired due to media pressure and replaced by Giancarlo Fisichella, who did no better
I think even the second departure of Räikönnen in 2018 was akward: After he had even challenged Vettel with one pole and one win as well as 9 consecutive podiums he had to go because Leclerc had signed an early contract and threatened to file a lawsuit. Although was glad to come back to Sauber, it could have been All so much more fair and square
Prost was right.. At Ferrari, in 2 years time there can be good or bad.. Such extremes are not good for continuity and consistency. God knows how Vettel dealt with all this shit.. 2015 - 3 wins 2016 - 0 wins 2017 - 5 wins 2018 - 5 wins 2019 - 1 win 2020 - 0 wins either Ferrari can be good or bad.. they can't make a car capable of winning certain number of races each year.. RedBull: ultimate young driver's career destroyer Ferrari: Ultimate Champions' career destroyer.
Rumors say that Ferrari fired Arnoux because they found out that He had a surgery in his right leg without informing the team about it, thus allowing Ferrari to sack him for breaking the contract on the terms of illness or health.
Title could be put too "Italian way" as they refer things too in Ferrari. Only legend they have is good drivers they just didn't listen well enough during years.
Even if Gilles Villeneuve didn't leave Ferrari, the backgrounds of his fatal crash in Zoelder could have led him to leave the team if he didn't passed on that terrible day. Also the short lived time at Ferrari of Ivan Capelli could make this list. Or the mentioned in the video Michele Alboreto.
His wife, Jo Anne said that Gilles would probably leave Ferrari at the end of 1982,given how he was treated there. Ferrari team principal at that time, Marco Picconini is the best man at Pironi's wedding, an event that Gilles wasn't even invited.That closeness means that there will be favourable decision in the direction of Didier. Once the trust is gone, then it's no good to continue at Maranello.
The hate is strong. If the Brits just bothered to dig for stories in their own teams. They won’t, of course, as they are all friends. Half of F1 journalists staff has worked for the English teams. The Alonso and Kimi stories are tabloid style exaggerated, and Alonso probably felt his relationship with Ron Dennis was quite a bit more awkward than his departure in 2014. Kimi shrugs it off, but The Race is deeply concerned for him how uneasy it most have been. The Vettel story must have been weird, but even weirder if he didn’t see it coming after being thrashed by the “rookie”. Awkward definitely, but more awkward than Ricciardo and Renault? Love your analysis and technical videos, The Race, but this is clickbait and shark food for Ferrari haters.
What is more impressive is after all the bad blood in his last year with Ferrari , Se made a whole song in Italian for the team and performed it after his last race over the radio. He still.managed to show passion for the screwderia
Well Mansell not only "felt" the favour treatment of Prost by that happened. Mansell set pole in France. Prost asked to have his car for the next race, british gp. And Mansell came to the box and felt the car was different. Well they gave his car to Prost!!!!! So Mansell set up the car as higher as he could on qualy and runned to win in race time but he had gearbox issues and he had to retire. Then he decided he had enough of that sh*t. Also lets not forget when Prost landed at Ferrari Mansell really admired him (check his autobiography and the new one) and also Prost checked that there were some team crew from Williams (Mansell came from Williams) but those guys were signed before even Mansell arrived. So Prost thought this was a Mansell move to make the team his. While Mansell did not do that. So Prost made Ferrari sign many workers from McLaren to own the team. And oh boy if he did.
I would say that few drivers leave Ferrari on their own terms. Prost being fired in 1991 before the end of the season, Vettel being informed that he was going to be out of a drive at the end of 2020 before racing even began, both of these are incredibly awkward ways to leave Ferrari
9:14 - Mattia: we did not share the same goals..!! well it is like Sebastian don't want Ferrari to win WCC and he himself doesn't want to win WDC.. which can't be true.. So in short Mattia wanted to make Charles No.1 and Seb No.2... which Seb didn't accept hence not the same goal anymore.
Seb could have stayed and stepped in Kimi's role when unable to beat Charles purely on pace. He didn't accept and moved on! Ferrari would not offer another year or two if you don't accept proposed role in the team. Simple!
Vettel brought it upon himself, crashed 4 times in a row in 2018 and threw the title away. 2019 was embarrassing and 2020 was a train wreck. Even at Aston Martin, in his first race he was crashing again in a situation which should not happen with an experienced driver.
Regardless which famous drivers drive for Ferrair, the name Ferrari always comes first, not the drivers. The drivers are replaceable but not the Ferrari name. If the drivers did not deliver good results, off they go. It's business, not charity. I think the only driver Ferrari really appreciated and treasured was Schumacher which he rightly deserved after winning 5 titles for Ferrari. I am not a Ferrari fan but I do hope that they finally can be competitive again this year and beyond
ferrari have won 1 non schumacher title since 1979, which was a lucky title needing hamilton to choke it away they came as close as you can possibly come to winning it but they should 100% regret the decision to go with raikkonen in 2007
Ferrari : Only team to have won races with every single regulation and every type of engine. Mclaren and Williams : 2nd and 3rd most successful teams in F1 and they can't hold a candle to Ferrari Red Bull : Only won 4 championships with pretty much the same rules and only V8 and mainly thanks to Adrian Newey. Has treated countless drivers like shit. Mercedes : Despite being much older than Ferrari and being always involved in motorsport, only joined F1 in 2010 buying Brawn GP because they knew they would have got their ass kicked between 1956 and 2009. F1 fans : "Ferrari is so shit"
I get that James Allison left Ferrari in 2016 because of the death of his wife. But I've long wondered if Allison would have left Ferrari for Mercedes anyway to get away from Ferrari's dysfunction (and get to work with a team that was clearly going to win more championships).
RB: we treat our 2nd drivers like garbage
Ferrari: have you seen our star drivers?
More like: Ferrari - "We do that too. Plus we dump our star driver when we don't need him anymore".
heh 2nd drivers? look at what we did to our 5 time world champion.
and 4 time world champion too
Even our car last year
The fact that this video has Kimi, driver who replaced Kimi, and driver who replaced driver who replaced Kimi is baffling
"I know! I'll move to Ferrari, win the world championship and become a legend" - Many former F1 drivers.
And this is why Hamilton will not do this despite speculation sometimes that he will
Kimi: "Bwoah. See? easy"
Kimi : The championship, is it on or not ?
@@KingofWolvesii yep, hamilton avoids tough situations for all costs
@@JamesRodriguez10783 Yes Kimi you will have the championship but no you will not have the drink sorry
The old saying still stands, "Stand outside the Ferrari garage and you wonder why they don't win everything. Stand inside and you wonder how they win anything"
Rightly said, those are some deep words boi.....
Biggest bullcrap I've ever heard. Ferrari often had some of the best engineer, mechanics, drivers and more team members. They are the most winning team in F1 for a reason and the fact that an Italian team dominates the history of a UK-centered sport makes it even more epic!
@@giuseppemaggio5894 they have most wins because they are old. The same reason why white americans are more wealthy than black americans - they just started earning earlier. And ferrari is less charismatic team for me - what I see from them is ineffective management, poor drivers treatment, loads of political bullshit, low team morale, and besides that they have a special money bonus for being old. Pathetic.
@@giuseppemaggio5894 I totally understand your feelings mate, I am a Ferrari fan too, it certainly has a rich history in the sport and the talent to win as well but it's ambitions are killed by it's inter-team politics. If a team can't win titles with drivers like Alonso and Vettel, the most exceptional talents of modern F1 era, I feel like there are some problems within the team as well.......
@@idiachuk lol keep crying, mclaren and williams will never, ever get close to Ferrari greatness
The way they treated Kimi, the last person to win a WDC for them, and even more so how they treated Vettel and just threw him to the side, are perfect examples of why Ferrari deserves their 2020 performance
The reason why Kimi is still driving in F1 is because of them. They picked him to race for alfa romeo instead of a rookie F2 driver
@@brakinglate8828 Ferrari control Giovinazzi's seat only. It's Sauber who made the decision to sign Räikkönen
@@brakinglate8828 I agree. *Callum Ilott* should be in the seat.
@@brakinglate8828 The reason why Kimi is still driving in F1 is because he wants to and he partly owns the Alfa Romeo F1 team :/
Not sacking vettel 2 years ago was a big mistake for ferrari.
The fact this video can even exist says a lot about Ferrari
Well in their defense they are the oldest and most successful team in f1 so it's a given theyd have the material for this kind of video. But they have an issue within their operation and stuff. They care too much about their image and tradition which hinders them. If they lower the brands "ego" they might just be back because the infrastructure is there, all it's needed is to get with the times. I hope they change it up for Charles' sake. It'd be a shame if Charles became the best driver never to win the championship.
How about we talk about issues of other teams like Williams, Renault and especially Mclaren. They arent clean like Ferrari
@@brakinglate8828 The video's about Ferrari so i'm not sure why you're shifting to other teams
@@isnitjustkit just sayin that before you judge ferrari other teams arent any better.
@@isnitjustkit Well, each team have their own set of awkward terminations.
Kinda makes you understand why Vettel wrote on his helmet to Leclerc "not to waste" his talent.
Charles shouldn't listen to a fraud that cost Ferrari title in 2017 and 2018.. that Germans fraud always crack under pressure
@@Blue-yp5mz rent free pal
@@Blue-yp5mz u forgot 2010?
@@Blue-yp5mz lmao ferrari cost ferrari a title not seb wtf
@@Blue-yp5mz With that line of thought Alonso is also a fraud? I mean he did cost The Great Ferrari titles of 2010 and 2012.
Come on man.
This makes the achievement of Schumacher, Todt and Brawn stand out even more. Winning multiple championships at Ferrari is the toughest task in F1
Not really. FIA always help them
Brawn GP would like to have a word
@@ozamatazbuckshank7467 yeah they really helped them by changing the rules in 2005 and ending their domination.
They replaced many italians in those days. The place was completely different in the shumi era.
exactly
Ferrari: "seb please don't joke about how bad we are."
Seb:"what are you going to do? Fire me?"
Fun fact: After splitting with Ferrari, all these driver combined have scored 38 wins
Now make the calculation of how many wins combined they have won with Ferrari
@@giuseppemaggio5894 really the stat should be percentage of races won. Otherwise drivers who retired or barely raced after they left would obviously be skewed to looking like they did worse after a long stint with the team.
@Hot Rod not true, after leaving Ferrari, only 4 out of 10 drivers didn't win any races(at least for now because Vettel and Alonso are still racing)
How many has Lewis won after he left McLaren? Is there a point with your comment?
Jon Nerheim That is not a pretty good comparison,
We nearly had kimi raikkonen vs michael schumacher in the same car?
That would've definitely been an interesting teammate battle in an alternate universe
Kimi Raikkonen vs Michael Schumacher vs Fernando Alonso vs Lewis Hamilton
From what I've read is that Phillip Morris was willing to finance that 'Schumi, Kimi' dream team by devoting their entire motorsport budget to Maranello.
@@caioangelo_5328 Schumi would of won that for sure. lucky for kimi that he did retire tbh. so basicly massa signed for 2006 with the fact he new he was taking a big risk with no seat their for 2007
And a title fight between Hamilton and Schumacher too probably?
Gigsaw Soljier what? Kimi was running circles around Schumi in 2003 and 2005. The only thing that Schumi had in 2007 that Kimi didn’t - his political clout at Ferrari.
Ferrari also managed to ruin every pitstop Vettel made for the last five races, and at one point seem to forget he was even driving when they left him on softs for 75% of a race.
Schumacher actually didn't want his close friend Massa fired. He wasn't afraid of Raikonnen.
I don’t think Schumacher was afraid of Raikkonen, although Kimi was frighteningly fast in this stage of his career. Schumacher was always a shrewd operator, and he knew that he always had the backing of the dream team with Todt and Brawn. With those figures no longer at Ferrari, Michael would’ve been well aware of the fate that befell great drivers before him like Prost, Mansell or Lauda. Kimi may not have beaten Michael to a title in an equal fight, but this is Ferrari; the fight is never equal.
But up against anyone, Schumacher at Ferrari was a force to be reckoned with.
We need an update in 3/4 years with charles and carlos added to the list
@Hot Rod oh lord... These poor men.
I seriously hope they deliver a much better car for 2022, both of them are absolute top notch talent
And Robert, and illot in a few more years
Spoiler alert: They did the same to Carlos as they did to Sebastian 💀
@@keemaxcz lol
There's much more to Kimi in 2009 than this video tells imo
The faces on the Ferrari pitboard at the Belgian GP when Kimi won are of pure shock that the guy they were dumping had won
Once they focused on Raikkonen after Massa’s accident he got results in that car that shouldn’t have been possible. I think he would have been champion in 2010.
How many years until Leclerc fits on this list? His contract is almost long enough to guarantee he will be on here eventually.
Probably when he gets a bit older and they find a promising young talent in whoever the hell and then the antics will follow shortly after
Ferrai
The destroyers of championship winning drivers
Blatant nonsense considering they have more constructors and drivers championship respectively. Wash your mouth.
@@MarioRossi-nd3vw that was in the past when they had a good management, now the team is dogshit in that regard
@@MarioRossi-nd3vw glow tail literally is just describing the entire contents of the video mate
Expect Vettel who fucked up 2017 and 2018 season.
@@EMANUEL-vt8ok 2018 sure, but 2017 is all on ferrari
its amazing how disfunctional teams are behind the scenes, Williams were equally messed up with firing drivers that were world champions and driving really talented designers away, newey, brawn, willis and many more, makes you wonder how they won at all
that's why i'm a Mercedes fan, they seem to be the one team that actually has their shit together when it comes to organization and being a working environment you'd want to be in, and the results paid off to the tune of 8 straight Constructors titles
I love how vettel, just cracked one joke after another about how terrible his car was, ferrari needs to be takin down a notch. Thats one person they cant pay to keep quiet, unlike the FIA.
The fact is: on multiple occasions Vettel was slower than his teammate.
His opinion counts for nought.
It will be a miracle if he finishes this season.
@@fintonmainz7845 Maybe tell Ferrari to make a car that actually suits their driver then? Vettel would still have beaten Leclerc in 19 if not for all the reliability failures and being robbed in Canada. Your red clowns make an oversteery car with a lack of rear downforce and then blame Vettel for all their engineering shortcomings. Everyone knows Seb needs a certain kind of car to succeed but if given that he's unstoppable. He had that in 17 and almost beat Merc with a much slower car. In 18, his car was ALMOST as quick as Merc's but it didn't suit him. Then Leclerc comes in and Ferrari build a car that suits his preferences, not a surprise that he beat Vettel. Although in 20 Seb had just given up on the joke that was Ferrari and just wanted to move on.
@@areebsiddiqui758 people like you just have no idea on how F1 works. Team build the fastest car, not the car that suits the fastest driver. The greats like Hamilton, Schumacher, Prost, Villeneuve, Verstappen, and Leclerc--you don’t see them ever tunnel focused on the car not suiting them--they get their head down and just drive the car to it’s maximum. People who chase car setups instead of focusing on their skill like Gasly, Albon, Kvyat, and Vettel, are all dropped to the back now. Now, butthurt Vettel fan, what do you have to say about your petty used to be 4 time world champion? Only as good as his last race, and the last race he had he finished P15
@@kenchen704 bruh. Sir Hamiltons car is set-up around him. The car must be predictable too. While being fast. That's why the SF1000 is mocked as a tractor. The SF21 is slower but no one is making the sBinnala jokes anymore. Because it's under control.
@@kenchen704 hate to say it. But they all had cars that suited him. Except Prost. Prost complained, alot. And got fired for doing so.
We can only pray for Charles
and Carlos 🙏😓
Yeah really hope such a big talent isn't destroyed by politics. Ditto for Sainz too.
I won't, the guy should, leave if he knows what's good for him but he won't. He's been groomed. Ferrari is toxic as blood poisoning.
@@TheSt1092 seb warned him with his final letter to him, I hope his loyalty doesn't break his awesome career. I am a Ferrari fan but I hate this team right now, it is so far from the Ferrari of old
@@TheSt1092 sainz is going to get screwed once mick Schumacher is up to speed
I totally agree with poor Seb being the most awkward! Seeing Seb and how much more relaxed and loose he likes to be, Ferrari could of learned a thing or two about how to manage people. I think if the culture had been better for Seb, he would have had 2 titles with them.
and look at Seb now, achieving absolutely nothing
@@Refusedlove Could say the same for Ferrari as well tbh. Though being a Ferrari fan, I hope the scuderia can get back on their feet and score wins again.
It's funny now in hindsight reading about Todt managment being labeled as a problem by Alesi. Basically the only boss that made Ferrari look like a well oiled machine similar to Mercedes in the turbo era.
Maybe I can lift the mystery about René Arnoux's falling out with Ferrari and his complaints about his car's lack of performance compared with teammate Michele Alboreto.
Gerhard Berger had an interesting story to tell about his year 1987 at Ferrari with that exact teammate Alboreto. During the year he always lost straight line speed compared to Alboreto, sometimes 10 - 15 kph. John Barnard who was the constructor of the car revealed a hair-raising story how he was being approached by Count Zanon, a big supporter of Alboreto. Allegedly Zanon offered Barnard money for intentionally making Berger's car slower. Of course Barnard refused but an engineer for the motor mapping obviously hadn't resisted the offer. He was fired afterwards and suddenly Berger's car had as much power as Alboreto's.
The whole episode is described in Berger's book "Grenzbereich" and it wouldn't be a stretch of imagination that something like this happened to Arnoux as well.
Lauda admitted it was mistake because he could've won more championships but he also said that at the time, it was absolutely the right thing to do. Quite nicely explained to be honest.
I think a list of drivers that have a good relationship with Ferrari would be much shorter
Would lauda count as good?
And gilles too
@Hot Rod most drivers had an good relationship with ferrari at the start but deteriorated over the stint. So idk if that would last
Gotta make it atleast 10 mins and get the ad revenue man. Hence a video with such a list is not possible
Berger Alboreto Alesi Massa Irvine Lauda(was buried with the ferrari suit) phill hill Surtees Schekter Andretti tambay Arnoux Capelli Ickx Regazzoni Reutemann
Toxic anti ferrari attitude not surprised
that list doesn't even include Schumi or Lauda, good luck finding anyone of note
well, Kimi Raikkonen i guess but it's not like he gives a shit about working relationships beyond getting paid on time anyway
So it's basically like 70% of them
Yea
70? lmao i think its more around the 85% mark if you really look at proper potential WDC winning drivers
@@carlosguerra3560 well don't wanna go into maths but around that mark was what I meant
Don’t forget Ivan Capelli: a very promising driver whose career was absolutely destroyed by Ferrari’s atmosphere and its catastrophically beautiful 1992 car
Everyone goes to ferrari tryna be the next shumacher and ends up leaving dissapointed
Who knows this time ferrari have learnt their lesson and will prevent this from happening I have a sneaky feeling that their 2022 car would be extremely good and also I noticed their strategies and pit crew show improvement . I know Binotto is bad but still I have a feeling the rest of team will deliver next year plus selection of Carlos was a great choice
@@mo215300 we said the same when Vettel was joining the team and we know how toxic the relationship became with the team. When it comes to the 2022 car being good it's very unlikely since the big 3 teams will be struggling with the budget cap. I agree that Carlos is a decent replacement but I don't think him or Charles are gonna get anywhere with Ferrari.
@@ar-2284 let’s see your thinking is based on all these years of history . It really depends on whether Ferrari have finally leant their lesson or not
@@mo215300 they didn't change in 30+ years because of their ego, why would they change now. They will probably end up making another Vettel esq relationship with Charles and then drop him in the coming years.
The thing is that paired up with Schumacher's INCREDIBLE talent he had good management to back him
Todt and Brawn were right behind him.
Fun fact. Kimi earn more than any other F1 driver in 2010. When he didn't even drive at all.. :D
Don’t make things up people here new enough to believe you.
@@timyo6288 let them learn eventually
Wrong, both Alonso and Hamilton earned more.
Jean Alesi: Am I unemployed?
Ferrari: We are checking...
Well in 2009 kimi got involved in FERRARI POLITICS
Ferrari needed money due to the financial crisis of 2008
Santander a Spanish bank was ready to give some bank money but they had their terms 'we need Fernando in team' for advertising themselves with a Spanish driver
The deal was signed everything was done
Thanks god we saw both of them in the same car and we discovered who fighted for the championship with a "tractor" meanwhile the other one couldn't pass the Q1
They also kept Massa to advertise in South America, and Kimi lost out because they didn't need the Finnish market
@@MrSniperfox29 exactly
@@PunKouro championship? Lol
@@paulru7894
Fernando way faster than Kimi.
1956, Juan Manuel Fangio. "We let Fangio go because we can't afford him". (Enzo Ferrari) That started it all...
Vettel just attracted all the news towards him by announcing his move to Aston and that was a fitting reply to Ferrari for giving him a miserable season. What a legend.
and look at his lovely p14s in Aston now :)
@@Refusedlove this aged well
@@lorenzil1450 do you think so? let's see the rest of the year
@@Refusedlove you are the one who made a call after 4 races
@@lorenzil1450 "loo at his p14 NOW" is making a call? Are you for real or just wanted to troll someone these days?
The fact that some of f1s goats never one a title shows how good Michel was and just how hard it’s to impress Ferrari
Bruh he was their first driver for a long time just like ham now
he basically brought his Benetton championship over to make it work
It also shows how shit Ferrari is at driver treatment. Sebastian was a 4 time world champ before joining Ferrari.
Let's be honest if it wasn't for Micheal.. Ferrari would still have no titles
Absolutely true. Micheal bought Ross Brawn and John Bernard and a whole heap of Bennetton guys over. Full credit though to John Todt, he was the one who protected them!
9:57 Vettel looks 60 here, you can really see the toll Ferrari has taken on him.
Kimi and Schumacher would have been such an insane partnership. Both with very similar driving styles
@Stealth Leopard Kimi and Seb worked well together and they were both experienced enough to set up the car as they like it but their driving styles are almost completely different
@1:23 Kimi looking like a badass Superhero! Love that guy
Omg I just clicked your channel and it's freshly uploaded
Ferrari
we will try and make you world champ but fail in the process
If Ferrari fails in winning, imagine what you could say for everybody else
Quality content as usual. Keep up the great work
I already know that Prost is gonna be on here
Oh wow what a brave guess there
@@DavidGarcia-oi5nt ikr
Admittedly that was a bit of a back and forth. Even if your engine is shite I don't think it does the team any good to say it to the press.
In other news, water is wet.
@@Probotector_AUT wait what? It is?
To quote Aidan Millward: “Ferrari is a very Machiavellian organisation. When you’ve outlived your usefulness your gone”
You are being very kind to the Scuderia over the Raikkonen split... Raikkonen being Ferraris latest champion and won in 2007 in nearly impossible and glorious terms after trailing Hamilton and Alonzo for most of the season was subjected to a smear where any photo of him partying would be met by Montezemolo openly questioning his commitment to racing... Raikkonen not only got his seat back in 2014 but he is probably the first and only driver who also got an apology for his treatment proceeding his exit... I think Montezomolos criticism has aged very poorly...
Michael Schumacher is legendary 🙏🏼
Next on the list: Charles Leclerc in a couple of years.
No, just wait to 2022 and 2023
Ferrari is the reflection of Italy itself, and if it continues, it will only be a memory in history. It's really difficult to deal with italians to not say something worst.
They really know how to mess things up... I never really realised this, but the people who risked and achieved most for them always got an awkward send-off.
Fangio in 1956 for instance
The best vid in a long while, thank you 👍
As always, Michele Alboreto got completely forgotten about. Ferrari made him lost the 1985 championship and then basically made him n.2 driver behind Berger. Their 1988 split was pure tension
Case in point, he was 3rd near the end of the Belgian GP at Spa when the engine failed. Instead of coming into the pits, he went round in a plum of blue smoke one more time (long lap, 7km), because "when the engine fails you like that, it's better to do one extra lap so you can feel how it disintegrates completely". That didn't go down well in the garage, but he was out for the following season anyway.
@@gorkab8461 wow where did you read or hear it? And what year, 1985?
@@due_2477 I watched it back in the day and it was late summer 1988, when Mansell was already announced for '89 and Michele knew he was out
🏁Question of the Year!🏁 How long before Charles Leclerc becomes disillusioned with Ferrari and wants out? It's a fair question given that Mattia Binotto has become "Maurizio Arrivabene 2.0" to Leclerc's role as "Seb Vettel 2.0" but without all Seb's mistakes, with one strategy blunder after another and the reality of no end in sight, once again becoming business as usual with the Scuderia. 😔
You sure there are no mistakes from Charles?
Imola and France!!
I’d love versions of this video for McLaren, Williams and RB.
RB would be a complete video about destroyed careers😂
Red Bull would be:
-David Coulthard, crashed on his last race
-Mark Webber, Multi 21 fiasco
-Daniil Kvyat, replaced mid-season after crashes
-Pierre Gasly and Alex Albon, replaced for poor performance
@@aslamnurfikri7640 Not forgetting Christian Klien.
Ooooh Imagine Fernando getting a seat at Merc or RB 😱😱
Just one hint about the pronounciation of Sebastian Vettels last name: speak Fettel. That is how we Germans pronounce it. More often than not the letter "v" is pronounced like a very harsh "f"
Interesting video.. you gonna do one on some of the other teams now as well? Given Ferraris long tenure in the sport they're bound to have a fair number, but I can think of several teams who treated their drivers just as badly...
Yup. Mclaren (Lauda 1985,Hakkinen 2001) Williams (Mansell 1992,Prost 1993,Hill 1996)
@@theempires5 lol, what about Alonso in mclaren?
I'll miss Seb in red, but it's best for him to go to a team that supports him and doesn't put so much pressure on him. But hey, it was good until 2019, right?
Ferrari is the phisical manifestation of thr phrase "history repeats itself", It's like they're stuck in a loop and enjoy it there
I like Ferrari, they are iconic in all racing. But damn they are toxic as hell.
Poor Vettel's 2020 of distrust and awkwardness was plain and painful to watch. Just hope same does not come for Charles and Carlos.
Ferrari is the epitome of why the phrase "too big to fail" is so funny and and not indeed factual at all...
Idk how you treat someone like Prost and Vettel like that.
I love Ferrari but Ferrari is in its own way right now. Binotto does NOT seem to be helping.
As much as I love Ferrari, I struggle to defend the out of control politics and general team ethos. The cold hard truth is they end up sabotaging themselves far more than their attitude helps them. They're a very successful team that could, should and would be the ultimate F1 team if only they all decided to push in the same direction.
Yeah they run things very old fashionly with hierarchies and what not, im glad the drivers are now treated less roughly and sainz being the bigger man and not stirring up in the garage
Most teams have a number 1 and a number 2 driver... Ferrari only has a number 3 and a number 4 driver.
I have never liked Ferrari since I was little and I'll never be a tifosi no matter how irresistible the team is! I was a fan of Sebastian Vettel when he was winning races with Red Bull but that totally changed when he joined Ferrari in 2015! Why are most F1 drivers so obsessed with the idea of joining Ferrari to improve their records? I want Ferrari's records to be broken by non-Ferrari drivers, like McLaren did at the 1993 Australian Grand Prix!
Losing Schumacher in 2006 was the greatest mistake.
No Luca Badoer? 10 years of faithful service as a test driver, was awarded with a drive of a shit car, then fired due to media pressure and replaced by Giancarlo Fisichella, who did no better
Just to be clear... MSC was let go to get RAI onboard, who was then let go for ALO, who made way for VET.. who was also let go unceremoniously!
I think even the second departure of Räikönnen in 2018 was akward: After he had even challenged Vettel with one pole and one win as well as 9 consecutive podiums he had to go because Leclerc had signed an early contract and threatened to file a lawsuit. Although was glad to come back to Sauber, it could have been All so much more fair and square
Prost was right..
At Ferrari, in 2 years time there can be good or bad.. Such extremes are not good for continuity and consistency.
God knows how Vettel dealt with all this shit..
2015 - 3 wins
2016 - 0 wins
2017 - 5 wins
2018 - 5 wins
2019 - 1 win
2020 - 0 wins
either Ferrari can be good or bad.. they can't make a car capable of winning certain number of races each year..
RedBull: ultimate young driver's career destroyer
Ferrari: Ultimate Champions' career destroyer.
Imagining think Jean Todt was THE problem at Ferrari. Alesi was never the sharpest knife in the drawer.
All those years and drivers and Ferrari prove they have learned nothing about being a 'team' and taking good care of key staff
Rumors say that Ferrari fired Arnoux because they found out that He had a surgery in his right leg without informing the team about it, thus allowing Ferrari to sack him for breaking the contract on the terms of illness or health.
Title could be put too "Italian way" as they refer things too in Ferrari. Only legend they have is good drivers they just didn't listen well enough during years.
I was a Ferrari fan since the 90s until the way they let Kimi go...since then, they have been a mess.
What Nigel Mansell said about being a no. 2 driver at Ferrari 30 years ago still stands. Case in point Sebastian Vettel in 2020.
Even if Gilles Villeneuve didn't leave Ferrari, the backgrounds of his fatal crash in Zoelder could have led him to leave the team if he didn't passed on that terrible day.
Also the short lived time at Ferrari of Ivan Capelli could make this list. Or the mentioned in the video Michele Alboreto.
His wife, Jo Anne said that Gilles would probably leave Ferrari at the end of 1982,given how he was treated there. Ferrari team principal at that time, Marco Picconini is the best man at Pironi's wedding, an event that Gilles wasn't even invited.That closeness means that there will be favourable decision in the direction of Didier. Once the trust is gone, then it's no good to continue at Maranello.
The commadore still held sway at Ferrari back then. He loved Gil (as he called him).
@@theempires5 but Enzo himself loved Gilles. that is not something that could be said for very many people, let alone "expendable" drivers.
You should include
Every Ferrari driver ever
The hate is strong.
If the Brits just bothered to dig for stories in their own teams. They won’t, of course, as they are all friends. Half of F1 journalists staff has worked for the English teams.
The Alonso and Kimi stories are tabloid style exaggerated, and Alonso probably felt his relationship with Ron Dennis was quite a bit more awkward than his departure in 2014. Kimi shrugs it off, but The Race is deeply concerned for him how uneasy it most have been. The Vettel story must have been weird, but even weirder if he didn’t see it coming after being thrashed by the “rookie”. Awkward definitely, but more awkward than Ricciardo and Renault? Love your analysis and technical videos, The Race, but this is clickbait and shark food for Ferrari haters.
"Awkward" is one of the top adjectives I would use to describe Ferrari in F1 in general, now that you mention it...
What is more impressive is after all the bad blood in his last year with Ferrari , Se made a whole song in Italian for the team and performed it after his last race over the radio. He still.managed to show passion for the screwderia
You should do one about Williams and Red Bull next, but you probably won't because they're British based teams.
Can you also do a video on Ferrari's top team members? The ones that left and achieved success. James Alison, Aldo Costa?
"Schumi" always liked the submissive team- mate. Raikonnen would not have been one.
@Stealth Leopard And Schumacher was submissive to Nico Rosberg.
Well Mansell not only "felt" the favour treatment of Prost by that happened. Mansell set pole in France. Prost asked to have his car for the next race, british gp. And Mansell came to the box and felt the car was different. Well they gave his car to Prost!!!!! So Mansell set up the car as higher as he could on qualy and runned to win in race time but he had gearbox issues and he had to retire. Then he decided he had enough of that sh*t.
Also lets not forget when Prost landed at Ferrari Mansell really admired him (check his autobiography and the new one) and also Prost checked that there were some team crew from Williams (Mansell came from Williams) but those guys were signed before even Mansell arrived. So Prost thought this was a Mansell move to make the team his. While Mansell did not do that. So Prost made Ferrari sign many workers from McLaren to own the team. And oh boy if he did.
I would say that few drivers leave Ferrari on their own terms. Prost being fired in 1991 before the end of the season, Vettel being informed that he was going to be out of a drive at the end of 2020 before racing even began, both of these are incredibly awkward ways to leave Ferrari
drivers come to ferrari because of the teams legacy and fancy buildings and stuff
No, they come to Ferrari because there is no team that is as glorious, famous and loved
@@giuseppemaggio5894 and leave with their hopes, dreams & careers in tatters.
Glenn Freeman is the best at these videos. His delivery is excellent.
There is more to F1 than the last 30 years. Jean Behra's departure says more about Enzo who did not bother to send flowers.
9:14 -
Mattia: we did not share the same goals..!!
well it is like Sebastian don't want Ferrari to win WCC and he himself doesn't want to win WDC.. which can't be true..
So in short
Mattia wanted to make Charles No.1 and Seb No.2... which Seb didn't accept hence not the same goal anymore.
so basically everybody who left Ferrari had an awkward split
Biggest mistake by Ferrari, not having faith in Niki Lauda after the Nürburgring accident.
6:11 is that James Allison?
Now one for McClaren and Wiiliams while we're at it
4:56 brilliant photo there
Seb could have stayed and stepped in Kimi's role when unable to beat Charles purely on pace. He didn't accept and moved on! Ferrari would not offer another year or two if you don't accept proposed role in the team. Simple!
Yea that’s not what happened but alright buddy
Vettel brought it upon himself, crashed 4 times in a row in 2018 and threw the title away. 2019 was embarrassing and 2020 was a train wreck. Even at Aston Martin, in his first race he was crashing again in a situation which should not happen with an experienced driver.
Ferrari was shit in 2020 that's all. for other years responsibility is shared
Regardless which famous drivers drive for Ferrair, the name Ferrari always comes first, not the drivers. The drivers are replaceable but not the Ferrari name. If the drivers did not deliver good results, off they go. It's business, not charity. I think the only driver Ferrari really appreciated and treasured was Schumacher which he rightly deserved after winning 5 titles for Ferrari. I am not a Ferrari fan but I do hope that they finally can be competitive again this year and beyond
ferrari have won 1 non schumacher title since 1979, which was a lucky title needing hamilton to choke it away
they came as close as you can possibly come to winning it but they should 100% regret the decision to go with raikkonen in 2007
@THE RACE are you guys gonna be bringing us SuperGT this year?
It’s only on MotorsportTV for now unfortunately
@@squilldx5055 thanks
9 drivers fed up with ferrari
1 ferrari fed up with driver
i feel alonso would've won at least 2 more championship if he stayed on at ferrari
It's lovely to see all these comments criticizing the most glorious and winning team in motorsport ever. You guys are hilarious
Ferrari : Only team to have won races with every single regulation and every type of engine.
Mclaren and Williams : 2nd and 3rd most successful teams in F1 and they can't hold a candle to Ferrari
Red Bull : Only won 4 championships with pretty much the same rules and only V8 and mainly thanks to Adrian Newey. Has treated countless drivers like shit.
Mercedes : Despite being much older than Ferrari and being always involved in motorsport, only joined F1 in 2010 buying Brawn GP because they knew they would have got their ass kicked between 1956 and 2009.
F1 fans : "Ferrari is so shit"
I get that James Allison left Ferrari in 2016 because of the death of his wife. But I've long wondered if Allison would have left Ferrari for Mercedes anyway to get away from Ferrari's dysfunction (and get to work with a team that was clearly going to win more championships).