To make the comparisons easier, you could have used the same lens on all three cameras and also use a tripod for each shot. Also, when playing back the comparison shots, put the sequence in the same order, M9, M240, and M10 rather than jumbling them up so I don't spend half the time looking to see which camera it is.
Most important, it would make sense (comparing colors) to use fixed WB like "day light" so you can compare the colors and not the algorithm. But it seems all three cameras were in AWB :(
@@cris_photography exactly, and even now there are some companies in the US that can fix the old sensor issue by replacing glass layer on a sensor that is causing corrosion
@@cris_photography My 2012 M9-P is still on its first sensor and going strong. Not all sensor cover glasses were affected. Even the „new“ sensors can corrode.
I've always wanted to buy a Leica camera, but every time I researched a particular model I always found a major defect. M8: A long list of problems which you can research on line. M9: Sensor corrosion, and Leica no longer offers free repair. Q: Dust magnet. Dust which cannot be cleaned since the lens is permanently attached to the body. M240: Reliability issues, and design flaw prevents attaching certain lenses, and limits the focus distance on others. I am not sure what the deal is but I can't help and draw a parallel with German cars, which are incredibly unreliable and expensive to repair. In contrast Japanese equipment although lacking passion in many cases, is very reliable.
Thanks for the feedback Karim. Yes, they all had drawbacks BUT they also had pros: M8: while being an APS-H sensor and having some issues here and there the B&W out of that camera are insane thanks to its sensitivity to IR rays. So while colors are quite bad, you can get really good shots like no other Leica camera. M9: yes, sensor corrosion. Now, if you got yours fixed or you get a camera that did, you won't have to problem again any time soon. Also, the CCD sensor gives you amazing photos (in normal lighting conditions) that really look like 35mm film photographs and that is something no other camera does. M240: that one is my least favorite. However, it was the first with a "normal" display and that had a CMOS sensor and LED framing lines. The results are really good, longer battery life of the lot and you can get it for a very competitive price now. Q: yes, the Q1 was not the best in terms of WR HOWEVER the Q2 really fixed all those problems and it is just amazing to use. NOW: M10: this is the right digital Leica camera and as close to what we want and they are doing better and better from there on. Cheers!
@@cris_photography I am contemplating getting the Q2 since I can crop in camera and essentially have multiple lenses, it should be fine with all that resolution. I am just waiting to snatch a good one at a decent price. Cheers and thanks for your videos.
Would love to try the M10. I have the M9, which I love, but regarding the shooting experience, I still prefer shooting my M3 (love everything in this one, shutter noise, viewfinder, frame lines,...)
Yes - the M3 is definitely an amazing camera! The M9 has colors and definition that are out of this world and that I just love. The M10 is way more modern as to the technology in it BUT don’t find the images as pleasing as the M9. Definitely give it a try if you have the chance at some point. Take care
the M9 is the toughest camera to use but the one that delivers best results within its ISO range (a major limitation). Still worth to have, maybe in combination with an M10 or M10 R
I agree (for image quality WHEN there is good lighting). Unfortunately I found out couple of weeks ago when I went to Wetzlar (the HQ) that the M9 is not being repaired any longer 😢
Excellent video and presentation. Loved the test shots and random presentation making it easier for me to see which one I prefer without preconception....... and I was very much surprised (and a bit sad since I sold my M9 2 years agp...) that the color and contrast rendition onf teh pics you chose coming form the M9 pleased my eye the most!! Thanks again for your time
In this comparison I think the M9 won. I am surprised how badly the summicron and summarit flares in one of the images. The contrast is severely affected by this flare.
Hate to say it but I’ve never been impressed with the 35mm Leica offerings. The Zeiss 35mm Biogon is my preference. As far as 50mm however, the Summicron is fantastic.
M240's can use Leica R lenses (with an adaptor) and have Live View allowing use of a wide angle (such as my fave, a 21mm) or longer telephotos (my 180mm M) without viewfinders or a Visoflex.
The Voigtlander 40mm 1.4 really punches above it’s weight class. I owned one years ago and loved the way it rendered on my old Fuji xe1 and M8. I almost traded it for a pre asph 35 cron but I preferred the images from 40mm Voigtlander. Nice to see how well it does here on an M9.
Hello Blake, thanks for stopping bye and yes, that was my bad on using different lenses A I’ve come a long way since! I might do another such video soon in fact. Stay tuned and take care
CCD sensor on the M9 makes a big difference that’s why they look better, the M 240 second and the far more expensive M10 3 rd . The M9 has a genuine Leica look and the photos are gorgeous thank goodness I have one.
Personally, I have not known of any photographer who has used an M camera for video seriously. To me and a lot of Leica users this is a non-feature, and I do wonder why Leica ever thought it necessary to implement it in an M camera? I have to add that the LV capability of the M240 and M10 is actually quite useful when using ' non standard ' or fast aperture lenses where focusing with a range finder is a challenge even for the most experienced user. Good show, though.
This is not a personal opinion against the comparisons:) video is ok. Easily I started feel bad shooting digital. So I sold the m 240 and shoot again film . M3 M6 MP
Hello Mattias, thanks for stopping by! Yes - digital is definitely not film and film will always be and remain film 🤩😊 cool choices - M3 ans M6 ate m’y favorite analog cameras. Take care
Glad it could be of some help! Yes - I thought so too! Maybe cause it reminded me of the M6 design, maybe with that ISO wheel, but the truth is that we are talking only 2mm so... not too far :) take care!
Me too! The M9 was amazing in terms of colors but had a lot of issues in higher ISO (over 640 really) and the corrosion of the sensor, etc. but ya image wise that was also my favorite. Take care
Just by blind testing (I covered the text), I can say M9 is the best, followed by M240... but m10 is by far the worst.. that looks like a sony color.. nothing wrong with a sony, i have one too, but what's the point of buying a leica if the color looks like that.
A lot of people think like you i fact. The M11 comes closer to an M9 imo (the DNG files) per my recent tests. Take care and thanks for sharing your thoughts
Brian Miller, I belive that the M240 is weather protected - not sealed in a way that a Fujifilm XT3 (or similar, modern camera). I would be careful in the rain... Regards Per W/Sweden wilhelmssonography.home.blog
Damn that sucks man! I had the same with my 240, got another one, sold it again and... would not mind having one again! Who knows... you still might get one in the future 😄
Hey Benni, thanks for stopping by and glad I could help you decide! Regarding the bronze Thumb stud, I believe I bought it in a Leica store some years ago in the US.... can't remember :( sorry Take care!
Hello, yes BUT make sure the sensor was changed (corrosion problem). You can find it second hand under 1k and if you like to take your time when shooting totally worth it! Take care
The soul of the camera and the image resolution thanks to the Leica optics. Phones are great for everyday on the go photography and the tech improvements are huge and really good. But don’t ask me to shoot professional or even for pleasure photographs with a phone - everything is automated and there is no pleasure in that. Take care
What’s the problem with the M10 having no video? Thanks the LORD it is gone!! It’s an M body for Christ’s sake... price tag though 🏷 And the M9s sensor can be and has been replaced for most M9s around. For the rest.. much of a personal choice I believe. Thanks for stopping by
I honestly, think that your image comparison is meaningless because: Lenses draw differently. Additionally, you set m9's and m10's at their native setting, but you pulled iso of 240 at 100--its native low is 200.
Hum… starting a comparison of Leica digital bodies with the video capabilities is just a non sense… who buys a Leica digital camera for video? Nobody !!! And if you find one kill him he doesn’t t deserves his Leica :). This just makes me swap your video. As said in a philosophy exam : out of subject :).
They added the feature - I mention it. People want to know what’s there so I say it. Skip my video as much as you want, that won’t make me change the fact of reviewing a feature that’s UTTERLY useless such as this one - but it’s still there 🤦🏻🤷🏻 I use the SL2s for filming very often and it’s a Leica camera… 😆😉
To make the comparisons easier, you could have used the same lens on all three cameras and also use a tripod for each shot. Also, when playing back the comparison shots, put the sequence in the same order, M9, M240, and M10 rather than jumbling them up so I don't spend half the time looking to see which camera it is.
Shawn Boyle agree, as a basic principle in testing gear you do not change 2 variables at a time.
Yes, imo the lens make the image, not the body!
@@florianbauer6455 When it comes to digital, the sensor is pretty important
I know… my bad! Thanks for the feedback
Most important, it would make sense (comparing colors) to use fixed WB like "day light" so you can compare the colors and not the algorithm. But it seems all three cameras were in AWB :(
M9 all the way
Yes!! Love the M9 image quality 😅
the one with sensor corrosion?
That was fixed with a program to get all sensors replaced. Never had an issue since
@@cris_photography exactly, and even now there are some companies in the US that can fix the old sensor issue by replacing glass layer on a sensor that is causing corrosion
@@cris_photography My 2012 M9-P is still on its first sensor and going strong. Not all sensor cover glasses were affected. Even the „new“ sensors can corrode.
Love the colors on the m9
Me too - they are my favorite out of the 3 cameras.
I like the M9 series the most. Always have your own personality
Yup - same here! Best looking files in my option. Take care
Finally, someone realise that nobody compares these three models. nice vid btw
Thanks - appreciated
M10 it’s the best of course but I love m9 colors
Yes - 100% agreed!
I've always wanted to buy a Leica camera, but every time I researched a particular model I always found a major defect.
M8: A long list of problems which you can research on line.
M9: Sensor corrosion, and Leica no longer offers free repair.
Q: Dust magnet. Dust which cannot be cleaned since the lens is permanently attached to the body.
M240: Reliability issues, and design flaw prevents attaching certain lenses, and limits the focus distance on others.
I am not sure what the deal is but I can't help and draw a parallel with German cars, which are incredibly unreliable and expensive to repair. In contrast Japanese equipment although lacking passion in many cases, is very reliable.
Thanks for the feedback Karim. Yes, they all had drawbacks BUT they also had pros:
M8: while being an APS-H sensor and having some issues here and there the B&W out of that camera are insane thanks to its sensitivity to IR rays. So while colors are quite bad, you can get really good shots like no other Leica camera.
M9: yes, sensor corrosion. Now, if you got yours fixed or you get a camera that did, you won't have to problem again any time soon. Also, the CCD sensor gives you amazing photos (in normal lighting conditions) that really look like 35mm film photographs and that is something no other camera does.
M240: that one is my least favorite. However, it was the first with a "normal" display and that had a CMOS sensor and LED framing lines. The results are really good, longer battery life of the lot and you can get it for a very competitive price now.
Q: yes, the Q1 was not the best in terms of WR HOWEVER the Q2 really fixed all those problems and it is just amazing to use.
NOW:
M10: this is the right digital Leica camera and as close to what we want and they are doing better and better from there on.
Cheers!
@@cris_photography I am contemplating getting the Q2 since I can crop in camera and essentially have multiple lenses, it should be fine with all that resolution. I am just waiting to snatch a good one at a decent price. Cheers and thanks for your videos.
M9 color better than M240 and M10
I think so too!
Would love to try the M10. I have the M9, which I love, but regarding the shooting experience, I still prefer shooting my M3 (love everything in this one, shutter noise, viewfinder, frame lines,...)
Yes - the M3 is definitely an amazing camera! The M9 has colors and definition that are out of this world and that I just love. The M10 is way more modern as to the technology in it BUT don’t find the images as pleasing as the M9. Definitely give it a try if you have the chance at some point. Take care
the M9 is the toughest camera to use but the one that delivers best results within its ISO range (a major limitation). Still worth to have, maybe in combination with an M10 or M10 R
Absolutely 💯!
long live the M9
yes!!!
Very interesting. Not entirely scientific but still interesting. My own experience: I find the M240 colours more vibrant than those of the M10.
Thanks for stopping by and for your feedback! Appreciated
M9 is a clean cut winner here
I agree (for image quality WHEN there is good lighting). Unfortunately I found out couple of weeks ago when I went to Wetzlar (the HQ) that the M9 is not being repaired any longer 😢
Excellent video and presentation. Loved the test shots and random presentation making it easier for me to see which one I prefer without preconception....... and I was very much surprised (and a bit sad since I sold my M9 2 years agp...) that the color and contrast rendition onf teh pics you chose coming form the M9 pleased my eye the most!! Thanks again for your time
Thanks for stopping by Nicolas and glad you liked it! Yes the M9 images are also my favorite - closest to film than the m10 or the M240. Take care!
In this comparison I think the M9 won. I am surprised how badly the summicron and summarit flares in one of the images. The contrast is severely affected by this flare.
I know right??? And that’s with the Voigtlander SINGLE COATED! So ya, I was surprised too.
Hate to say it but I’ve never been impressed with the 35mm Leica offerings. The Zeiss 35mm Biogon is my preference. As far as 50mm however, the Summicron is fantastic.
M240's can use Leica R lenses (with an adaptor) and have Live View allowing use of a wide angle (such as my fave, a 21mm) or longer telephotos (my 180mm M) without viewfinders or a Visoflex.
Very true! Good point 😉 thanks for stopping by and for sharing!
love the colors, I go for m9
Totally Jo - same here!!
All three are great! But: M9 = sensor issues, M10 = too expensive. M(240) = best bang for the buck! Amazing value for an M.
Very true!
M9 is obviously better, but considering the sensor issue, I chose an 240
👍🏼
The Voigtlander 40mm 1.4 really punches above it’s weight class. I owned one years ago and loved the way it rendered on my old Fuji xe1 and M8. I almost traded it for a pre asph 35 cron but I preferred the images from 40mm Voigtlander. Nice to see how well it does here on an M9.
I wish you simply used the same lens for the test. Great vid, would love to see an updated on with better more exact set ups
Hello Blake, thanks for stopping bye and yes, that was my bad on using different lenses A I’ve come a long way since! I might do another such video soon in fact. Stay tuned and take care
CCD sensor on the M9 makes a big difference that’s why they look better, the M 240 second and the far more expensive M10 3 rd . The M9 has a genuine Leica look and the photos are gorgeous thank goodness I have one.
Hey Jim, I totally agree with you. I love my M9 too!! Take care
Cris Photography thank you , the M9 & the M9 Monochrom absolutely rock 👍👍👍
Personally, I have not known of any photographer who has used an M camera for video seriously. To me and a lot of Leica users this is a non-feature, and I do wonder why Leica ever thought it necessary to implement it in an M camera? I have to add that the LV capability of the M240 and M10 is actually quite useful when using ' non standard ' or fast aperture lenses where focusing with a range finder is a challenge even for the most experienced user. Good show, though.
No indeed, that was prolly a mistake I'd say and in fact the next model (M10) didn't have it. Take care!
out of those photos, the m9 is then nicest
I think so too 😃
5:10 the M10 is five years younger/newer than the M240, which I use in my job as press photographer.
indeed it is
I love the M10 beetter
Great camera indeed!
Small but significant correction:
The leica M10 has the slimmest body. Not the M9.
Hum... nop M9 is 2mm slimmer. Where did you see otherwise? You got me curious! Please let me know so I can correct that - thanks!
Cris Photography www.digifotopro.nl/review-leica-m10 vs. www.photogear.nl/apparatuur/body/leica/m9.html
Hum 🤔 strange...first time I see those measurements ! Guess we both right then or... we’ll never know 🙃 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leica_M9
I have both and the M10 is slimmer.
Again: www.google.ch/amp/s/leicarumors.com/2017/01/23/leica-m10-vs-m-vs-m9-vs-m6-vs-q-vs-sl-size-comparison.aspx/amp/
WHERE does it say it is slimmer?
This is not a personal opinion against the comparisons:) video is ok. Easily I started feel bad shooting digital. So I sold the m 240 and shoot again film . M3 M6 MP
Hello Mattias, thanks for stopping by! Yes - digital is definitely not film and film will always be and remain film 🤩😊 cool choices - M3 ans M6 ate m’y favorite analog cameras. Take care
Love M9 image quality
Me too!
Hmmm love the m9 color & it's image. Unfortunately it doesn't have a high iso capability compared to the other 2 cameras.
Very true!
Good to watch this. I hope to use a small inheritance later this year to buy a M240.
Thanks a lot for the feedback William. You’ll enjoy it am sure 😉 take care
Correction: M10 was 5 years younger than that of the M9, instead older.
😂👌🏼
I think one of them has sapphire crystal for the LCD screen. It's a damn shame they downgraded that to gorilla glass.
Hey, thanks for stopping by. Not sure if it is sapphire ou gorilla glass - that is a good question! Thanks for bringing that up - cheers!
The M9-P had sapphire crystal for the LCD but the regular M9 did not. All the M10s have the same gorilla glass though.
Thanks for a nice video. Made me realize that the M10 is not the thinnest digital M. I was convinced it was...🤔.
Glad it could be of some help! Yes - I thought so too! Maybe cause it reminded me of the M6 design, maybe with that ISO wheel, but the truth is that we are talking only 2mm so... not too far :) take care!
M9 for me, all about the CCD
That CCD sensor... something about it!
Take care
Completely n perfect comparation of product. I love it
Thanks a lot 😉
Love the images from the m9, follow bu m10
Me too! The M9 was amazing in terms of colors but had a lot of issues in higher ISO (over 640 really) and the corrosion of the sensor, etc. but ya image wise that was also my favorite. Take care
The Leica M240 gives a more and composed shot. Better
All right!
I thenk m9 the best
Yup, it probably is also my favorite of the bunch!
I don‘t think reducing the thickness of the m240 to video capabilities does it justice (or even is correct). M240‘s battery outclasses them all ✌️.
Yes - that battery… 😅
Just by blind testing (I covered the text), I can say M9 is the best, followed by M240... but m10 is by far the worst.. that looks like a sony color.. nothing wrong with a sony, i have one too, but what's the point of buying a leica if the color looks like that.
A lot of people think like you i fact. The M11 comes closer to an M9 imo (the DNG files) per my recent tests. Take care and thanks for sharing your thoughts
It's not a "Ley-ca" as in "sail" , it's a "LEI-ca" as in "shy" or "I".
Oh shut up.
@@cggg490 You could have done that too.
Fixed that since. I speak 4 languages and in French that’s how you pronounce it 🤷🏻
All good now cheers
@@cris_photographyOh man its been over a year but yes, me too and its correctly pronounced in the other three 😉 Cheers!
+1 for the M9
Love the M9 too!
I love m240 too
nice!
I wish I could have one M240 of my own.
Am sure your will soon or later! Take care 😉
I believe that the M240 is weather sealed where the M10 is not.
Brian Miller, I belive that the M240 is weather protected - not sealed in a way that a Fujifilm XT3 (or similar, modern camera). I would be careful in the rain...
Regards
Per W/Sweden wilhelmssonography.home.blog
Both are weather sealed, and probably better than the X-T3, but nothing lack sealed lenses.
All Ms can withstand weather. No issues at all. This is based on the M design.
Agreed on the lenses lacking WR… pitty!
when you say 'significant thicker' than the M9/M10, really ? i guess we all have something about something.... they're pretty much the same i think.
42mm vs 37mm for the M9 that’s half a cm thicker. That is a LOT imo - but like you say, we all have something about something 😊
i like the the m9 leica
Me too!
I had an M-P Typ 240 and sold it now I am missing it...
Damn that sucks man! I had the same with my 240, got another one, sold it again and... would not mind having one again! Who knows... you still might get one in the future 😄
I would trade in my d850 for the m10
Haha I hear ya!
Hey Chris, because of your video I'm about to buy a m240. Can you tell me where you got that nice bronze Thumb Stud from?
Hey Benni, thanks for stopping by and glad I could help you decide! Regarding the bronze Thumb stud, I believe I bought it in a Leica store some years ago in the US.... can't remember :( sorry
Take care!
Should use the same lens on all three cameras for a fairer comparison. I think the voigtlander render colours differently.... Among other things
Totally! I know that’s my bad!
wow
Thank you
Why is leica m10 similar to m6??
Body size
m9
Cool!
great project
Thank you 😊
Ilike Camira Leica M240
All right! 😊
Hi, would you still suggest picking up a used leica m9?
Hello, yes BUT make sure the sensor was changed (corrosion problem). You can find it second hand under 1k and if you like to take your time when shooting totally worth it!
Take care
@@cris_photography Not only changed -- changed with a NEW series one!
Good shot
Thanks Sri
With the existence of phone cameras, what's unique that's not found on phone
The soul of the camera and the image resolution thanks to the Leica optics. Phones are great for everyday on the go photography and the tech improvements are huge and really good. But don’t ask me to shoot professional or even for pleasure photographs with a phone - everything is automated and there is no pleasure in that. Take care
Good quality lens
Absolutely - the best 😊
Good job
Thank you ;)
Hi all. I think Leica M240 is the best. Hi quallity!
Hello! Yes the M240 is a great camera indeed!
I want spare battery for my M9p
Please suggest where i can buy original battery and Good quality Third Party battery for M9P ,Thank you
Hello there, sorry for the delay in answering. Check with Leica if you can still find some batteries (a Leica store)
I’ll keep using my m3 lol
Cool Nicholas!
Nice
Thanks 😊
Which camera do you prefer like ?
Hello 👋🏼 M9 for the images and M10 for the overall ergonomics and update. Cheers
good video
Thanks!
nice
Thanks
M9
All right!
Awesome😍
Thanks 😊
Maybe switch the lens between cameras?
I know - my bad. Thanks for watching
Wow
Thanks
Leica m9
Ok! I love it too
what to get, the M9 with sensor corrosion, the m10 with no video or the m240 with the ugly paint.
What’s the problem with the M10 having no video? Thanks the LORD it is gone!! It’s an M body for Christ’s sake... price tag though 🏷
And the M9s sensor can be and has been replaced for most M9s around. For the rest.. much of a personal choice I believe. Thanks for stopping by
The M9-P without corrosion.
Nice bro
Thanks man
good video bro
Thanks!
GREAT
M240
All right!
What's a Lake-uh?
haha hey Brennan! Love how you wrote that - I've since fixed my prononciation of the word in my recent work. Cheers
goood
Thanks!
nice vlog
Than you
Why always "slow down".
Not always - but something’s it feels good. Cheers
I honestly, think that your image comparison is meaningless because: Lenses draw differently. Additionally, you set m9's and m10's at their native setting, but you pulled iso of 240 at 100--its native low is 200.
Yup, that was my bad on the lens use indeed. Thanks for watching
thank you for clarification. I always thought m9 = m240
Hey, thanks for the comment and glad this video could help you. Take care
Good
Thanks
XPro3 all day.
Haha I hear ya!
Hum… starting a comparison of Leica digital bodies with the video capabilities is just a non sense… who buys a Leica digital camera for video? Nobody !!! And if you find one kill him he doesn’t t deserves his Leica :). This just makes me swap your video. As said in a philosophy exam : out of subject :).
They added the feature - I mention it. People want to know what’s there so I say it. Skip my video as much as you want, that won’t make me change the fact of reviewing a feature that’s UTTERLY useless such as this one - but it’s still there 🤦🏻🤷🏻
I use the SL2s for filming very often and it’s a Leica camera… 😆😉
Dammmn 12k views 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Indeed indeed 😎
Mantap
Terima kasih !
je préfère le M240
Ok! Merci pour le feed-back
3 different bodies and 3 different lenses... ok...
My bad - I know… thanks for watching
mmm
Any favorite Leica M camera?
апрчпо
Thanks
5:10 the M10 is five years younger/newer than the M240, which I use in my job as press photographer.
Nice! Am sure it’s perfect for your line of work
Nice
Thank you!
nice
Thank you
m9
😊