I've been shooting with a M240 for almost four years now and the only issue is the slow buffer when shooting in 'c' mode. It's my daily shooter and as a tool for a press photographer it's perfect. It's worth every penny cause it's pure photography. I would love to have a Q2 too so I don't need to shift lenses and keep the 50 on the 240 all time. Thumbs up for the M240 - and remember old Henry Royce: The quality will remain long after the price is forgotten.... have a nice day and enjoy life!
Bought a Leica M (typ 240) 3 weeks ago and I'm loving. Sure it's not up to the latest standards and it's not the fastest, but I gave me the fun back with photography. :)
Disagree, have two m240's and a Q. Love the m240s. I shoot them with Zeiss zm lenses. Match made in heaven. Different strokes for different folks... Great video!!!!
Ok. Let me get this straight. The lens and viewfinder/rangefinder was working fine, as you could focus and frame fine. Same thing for the sensor. So, we can agree that this flagship camera (Leica's best rangefinder camera until 2017) was working as intended by the manufacturer. With the above being said, we can all agree that this camera has nothing to do with any photographer out there not being able to grab a decent image with it. And it doesn't matter whether it is year 2013, 2023, 2033.
Best value for your money is likely a Leica LTM camera with screw-mount - they sometimes can be found for good prices below $400 and just might need CLA (same for any older M-based film camera, too). Look out for Leica III series (it doesn't matter much if it is a IIIc, IIIg, or IIIf). Main disadvantage of them compared to Leica M film cameras is the more cumbersome insertion of the film into the camera, but you get used to quite quickly.
@@MB-or8js They also have separate rangefinder and viewing windows, but that's not such a problem with zone focusing. I have a 1937 Leica IIIa which still works fine, but I don't use it now.
@@MB-or8js I own a Barnack and a couple of film Ms. The LTM is fun, but in no way would I want it to be my every day camera. Just having to cut the film to load it makes it a hassle, then there's the tiny separate viewfinders. It's small, and even pocketable if you have big pockets and a collapsible lens, but m2 and m3s, as well as something like an m4-2 are still relatively cheap and would be a much better buy IMO.
I don´t think you understand the intention behind these cameras.Just the raw image quality is not everything. i`ts also the quality of the colors, the lenses and everything around it. But you were right with the experience. It is indeed a experience.
Hi Evan you made the Vlog that I really wanted. Yes I have Leica Lust and I am sold on the build quality and feel of the Leica experience but I realize that I can take wonderful imagery and also really enjoy all my Fuji gear. I am fortunate to have a number of different bodies so to satisfy my Leica Lust I dumbed down an XT20 to full manual and bought a couple of voigtlander lenses (which are superb by the way and absolute bargains) and have had such great fun without breaking the bank. So I am staying with my Fuji’s ( Xpro2 x100f XH1) and getting on with enjoying my passion and creating imagery and using the obscene amount of money I would have spent on the M240 to travel to great destinations with my wife, whilst still indulging in my passion for photography. The great thing is it’s all about making the choice. Really enjoy the channel and you saved me a bundle by confirming what I already suspected. Regards from the desert. Steve. Dubai
Just got an M240 this summer and haven't left home without it. Problem is there is a lot of banding in the shadow noise. My Fuji handles it considerably better. That being said it is challenging in a good way and incredible fun to shoot with.
Bought my M240 from B&H last year and I’ve already made my money back from using it on shoots. It is a conversation piece that helps me get clients, especially when they see the photos. Is it the best in low light, no but neither is the 5D MkII that I still use. I don’t know what your style of shooting is but based on the photos you showed in the video, it didn’t really look like you used the camera at it’s strengths ( I saw one pic of a hand holding your hat). If you really want to test it out, take some people pics, either portraits or candids. At the end of the day though, it really boils down to what you shoot, how you shoot and picking the best tool for the job.
Alex Webb`s new book will be released late September, I believe most of it was shot on the M9 & M240. Look at that work in that book and consider that the cameras were released in 2009 and 2013 and all that matters is the person using it.
I have a Q-P, and a complete Sony A7III system (complete means with several lenses). The main reason I will never ever buy a M system, and you are not mentionning it enough to me, is because of the focusing system. A telemeter is a very different way of manually focusing. For those who don't know how telemeters works, you have to align 2 parts on the viewfinder (which is optical, not electronic) to focus properly. You also need to frame your picture depending on the focal length you are using (remember, the viewfinder is optical...). I've used couple of rangefinder (back in the film days), and I have never been able to really appreciate them, because of the telemeter system. Some people do like telemeter cameras, but some, like me, don't. My advise is : try them before spending an money on it. I really liked this video, and the way you've concluded it. This is a wise conclusion. Thanks for your videos.
Im using a Leica M-8 and I love it. Worth 1500 eh it depends on who you are. My M8 is my everyday camera so its prefect to give that feeling of film when I cant shoot film. Ive used it on one pro shoot and the clients loved the look. So I think they are worth it, but it depends on the person.
For me, the main reason to get a Leica (beyond the “Leica experience”) is having access to Leica glass and, because of this, having access to the smallest fullframe system ever, keeping a great IQ. Nowadays you can maybe get smaller cameras but not smaller systems. Mirrorless means today pretty small bodies with ridiculous big lenses. Leicas are perfectly balanced and they are the easiest equipment you’re always gonna have with you, ready to shoot (Leicas or your cell phone).
I bought a M typ 240 a few months ago and love every minute of using it. The feeling I get using this camera is incomparable. I never had such a great time shooting. My Xpro2 collects dust now. Worth every penny.
CollectiveMindz considering doing this exact same thing... leaving my X-Pro2 for a M-P 240 of M TYP 262. Any genuinely noticeable loss in IQ like DR? I rarely shoot higher than 1600, so I’m not too concerned about higher ISO use.
@@michaellozano936 I haven't done any direct comparisons between the two. The Fuji obviously has better high ISO but the Leica is fine up to ISO 3200 and you will see some banding at 6400. If you can get proper exposures then the Leica has plenty to work with. If you under expose in low light you will get green color in shadows if you pull the shadows or exposure up in post. If you convert to black and white any under exposed shots they are fine. So the camera is a little less forgiving if you don't know how to get proper exposures but if you do, it's a very rewarding experience.
CollectiveMindz thanks for the quick reply! Yeah I’m usually shooting between ISO 200-400, and in dim/night situations rarely push past 1600. I often underexpose in bright daylight situations at ISO 200, so I don’t clip highlights and recover shadows in C1. Is this something that fares well with the M 240, or does that banding still exist even when recovering shadow detail at low ISO? Thanks!
@@michaellozano936 What settings would you use on a sunny blue sky day and I can try it out for you. Shutter speed, Iso and fstop. I usually expose to the right, meaning I expose as far to the highlights without clipping them and then lower my exposure in capture one.
@@michaellozano936 I went the same route, sold my X-Pro2 and some lenses and get M-P 240. I miss nothing, there's some noise if you shoot at higher ISO of couse but easily fix (or not) in post. Getting M-P240 is the best value right now because it has similar sensor with M10, just different processor..meaning you get noise reduction done in camera while on 240 you do it yourself in post. And remember this is full frame, so ISO 3200 would look as good as ISO 1600 on Fuji and so on.
I recently upgraded from a M8 to the M240. In my case its a huge upgrade ;-). I use to shoot Nikon, I loved it but for everyday carry on camera the Nikon was just to big. Even with the new mirrorless cameras they have all the same problem: The lenses are too big due to the AF. I think for product shots and some other commercial shots its maybe the wrong choice but for everything else more then capable. The nice thing with the M240 it has live view so with an adapter you can use basically any non Leica / M-mount lens on it. Great video !
MrBillboeing Exactly. I also prefer to take my M8 to trips over my Nikon gear. Mirrorless (in this case cameras with an EVF) are pointless in terms of size and handling compared to the Leica. I can carry my complete Leica kit in one small Nikon canvas bag (5 lenses, three batteries and the M8). Try that with any other system...
Funktrainer I loved my M8, unfortunately I can’t afford to keep them both so I traded my M8 in and added some cash for the M240. I have to say the files SOOC are better with the M8 ! Enjoy shooting.
I just got this camera a few weeks ago and man am I glad I did. Went from the M6 and wanted a digital. This is for a 3rd camera for wedding and lifestyle photography.
Coming from some one who literally has your setup (Leica Q-P & M-P typ 240) I have a couple of thoughts. Yes, the Q 'feels' like a more modern camera. Because it was built in conjunction with Panasonic. It's an auto-focusing Point & shoot. it's a leica on 'easy mode.' A Leica M, on the other hand, is a completely different beast. The 240 challenges me as a photographer because it's the closest you can get to an analogue shooting experience without actually picking up a roll of film. I'm constantly amazed at ppl who look at the ISO on the 240 as outdated. We inversely talk about wanting huge iso range, while trying to shoot as low and close to 'base ISO' as possible. It's about as outdated as a Leica m6, sure. But it's still relevant : A venerable artistic tool that's past it's prime, but serves as a pathway to your art. Also a note on the lens type you chose: The Zeiss ZM has a bit of a focus problem as you change apertures. I went with the slightly slower Summarit 50mm 2.4 and it pairs like a good wine. Leica cameras work best with leica glass. It sounds cliche, but look at your Q. That 28mm 1.7 is absolutely gorgeous.
I use the M-P and the Q2. Both are great. M-P = simplicity and does not, for me, make this an old camera. I have no problem with the files from the M-P. One of the main reasons I bought it, and bought it used, was that you just go shoot. Not overburdened with menu choices and buttons that temp you into some things that are other than the pure approach to shooting that is the Leica hallmark.
I bought a used Leica M (Type 240) earlier this year, and it is perfectly capable of delivering stunning images. After all, it's not the camera, it's the photographer (sorry for the cliche). You are right when you say that rangefinder cameras are all about the experience. I bought mine to get away from the technological wonders that are my other cameras, and go back to a slower, more considered style of photography. But beware, buying an "old" Leica can hurt your wallet, as I am right now waiting delivery of a brand new M10-P. Leicas are addictive to some. By the way, that Q you are using is four years old technology, so also qualifies as an "old" Leica. I believe it has the same sensor and processor as the M Type 240, but I could be wrong about that.
I've 3 M9s as well as an M6 and M2. IQ is subjective there are loads of us shooting older stuff that appreciate it. I get it won't probably cut it for your paid jobs but there's something satisfying about using the old gear for personal stuff. I find no issues with the IQ of my M9s and they need almost no PP to make images that I really like. I think you are a bit harsh on the older tech but I guess you need the most up to date for your work. BTW I also shoot Fuji X-T2 and GFX 50S so I know what modern sensors can deliver.
The great thing about Leica is that you are always evolving, and can re-sell the Leica for an upgrade, I would love the M10, but, after shooting with DSLRs, I'm downsizing to Leicas, for my retirement years, already tried the Q, Vario-X, love both cameras, and the unique Leica image, upgrading to the M240, going to play round with this camera and eventually move up to an M10...
Never shot a Leica, however, I LOVE shooting with old technology. I shoot purely for my own pleasure, not Social Media, 'likes', or whatever. Old camera technology gives a different 'look' than what the majority of everyone else is doing. Both my Nikon DSLR's are 10+ years old (I mostly shoot at night with digital, or in low-light) and for the most part, I am shooting with either "AF-D" and manual focus lenses. They render differently than the new(er) stuff. I LOVE them. I have zero interest in the latest whiz bang wi-fi, GPS, touch screen gadgetry. Simplicity is divinity. I like heavy, well-built bodies, that have intuitive user interfaces. For film, while it matters less, I would never part with any of my +35 year old Nikon F3's or Ai-s glass.
Sorry, you don't shoot with the body (that you are only talking about) but with the lenses! Leica is about lenses and the bodies deliver best results with Leica lenses. Therfore, if you are willing to invest in (expensive) Leica lenses it is worth having a M240 or other M camara.
Image quality (as you described) is just one of the least important factor for professionals. The only ones that cares and depends on image quality are the commercial photographers, for them, more is always better: All the rest, can produce amazing work with any camera made in the last decade, and that´s why still the majority of pros still use 5 to 7 years old slr cameras, with not so different tech as this sensor has.
Great video! I was thinking about buying the M9 (which is almost 10 year old tech!) because people seem to love the colors. I drove to Wetzlar to get one, but ended up buying the Q2 instead (which I absolutely love). If I ever go for an M, it will be the M10 (or whatever comes after). Like you said...in the end I don't want to miss out on image quality, because the sensor can't handle it. That being said, I'm sure they are still good cameras, but I'd save the extra money to get something newer.
@@nyctechclub I was afraid of that before I bought it, but to be honest it's a relief to not have to think/decide which lens to take with me...or to take all of them which was what I had done before all the time.
@@labradorhund7769 awesome thank you! One of the fun things with camera gear is getting a bunch of lenses so its hard to not have that option. Can you tell me with the 28 is it good for portraits like family get togethers or does it distort the face much? I was thinking of selling my a7iii and getting a Leica, maybe its better to have both for different shooting.
@@nyctechclub I was worried about the 28mm, but my favourite focal length had always been 35mm and, frankly, it's not that big a difference. I constantly have the Q2 with me at family gatherings. The pictures are more like "environmental portraits", which is something I actually always liked most. I don't notice any distortion at 28mm, but it's a different look when you compare it to say a 50mm. I have the Sony A7II and I have hardly used it since I bought the Leica Q2. Only took it out when I had to make the headshots at work and I needed the 55mm for that and I had almost forgotten how to use it. The Q2 is just so much fun to use and quite versatile. But yes, there are limitations: with an interchangeable lens system you are ready to just do anything. On the other hand, in my case, I ended up packing way too much stuff and changing lenses all the time. It got on my nerves and hurt my back. I am actually thinking about selling the Sony. But I don't know if I'm there yet.
I was just taking a look at the Leica forum. There was this one guy who took fantastic portraits in Sierra Leone, but unfortunately he deleted his account and the pictures with it. There were some great examples of portrait work with the Q2. Anyways, here's a link to the thread, there's still some cool images there ... just not very many portraits www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/303026-leica-q2-images-post-them-here/page/160/#comments
Thanks for sharing your journey in trying to answer this question. I think it's like anything with tech in it--- smartphones, cars, tv's, computers, digital cameras, etc. I think as long as you can understand/accept the product's limitations relative to buying the newest model, go for it.
This is still a relatively new camera in the Leica digital world. They really upgraded the sensor once with M10R. =) And we kinda passed the age about high ISO issues anyways with nice Leica lens with F/1.4
I think he intentionally avoids talking about the lens he is using. Leica is about their lenses, especially for digital bodies. M 240 performs fine up to ISO 1600. With a 1.4 lens, plenty for night shooting.
Wanna buy an old Leica (M8/M9) at a great price? Buy the Fuji X-Pro 1 and adapt some Voigtlander lenses. The “feel” is definitely indistinguishable image wise after handling both brands.
Great video and excellent points for someone considering Leica M series. I would add the Leica glass holds its value and is arguable the best glass out there. I used the Voigtlander 40mm/1.4 for a while on my M then got a 10 year old 50mm Summicron - WHOA, what a great lens! Noticeably better image quality, imo.
The big things for me are size, understated and the rangefinder focussing. I agree about the premium price versus image quality. If someone else made a small full frame rangefinder that could mount Leica glass at a cheaper price I would buy it. And it’s not Pixii.
I totally disagree with you - the Leica m 240 P is a far superior camera to the Leica Q.........especially when paired with some of the best glass in the world. ie the Leica Summilux lens or the Lei a Noctilux . With this combination, and if skilled in shooting Rangefinders, you will definitely be producing the finest quality imagery imaginable, unbeatable by any other dslr on the market - I would suggest you are just not that familiar shooting Rangefinders, thus your imagery was inferior to what you produce with your Q or any other point and shoot camera with an EVF...........Rangefinders take time to learn and you can't expect to pick one up, having never used one before, and then produce stunning imagery. I suggest you do a little more research into the Leica brand. Also, they still produce the Leica m 240 p so you need not buy "an old dslr" when you can walk into a multitude of camera stores and buy yourself a brand new one quite easily. One more thing - I found it quite odd that in your 13 plus minute review of the 240p you never once showed us a single sample image? why was that?
Evan, appreciate you sharing first of all. Having said that, I think your comments did not have sufficient history behind them. By that I mean not enough time was given to hone the camera/lens attributes which is warranted when you shoot with a Leica. I would liken the learning curve to a courtship between your vision and the equipment to reproduce. Did you perhaps shoot any black and whites which Leica is strongly known for? Just a septuagenarian's observation. Much success in your endeavors. Respectfully,
Like the objectively laid out points of pros and cons regarding predecessor version(s) of actual Leica M digital cameras. I am using several Leica rangefinder film cameras (from IIIc to M7) but can't convince myself to vest into a digital Leica M - I enjoy the Leica rangefinder experience simply with film where I see a much better ratio for what you get for your money. Prices for my film LTM and M cameras have doubled or even tripled in the past three years. For B&W, I find film superior to any digital camera and also enjoy the film development process. For the rest...like you said, I think there are better MLC options of other brands out there with better sensor technology for less money (which also can use rangefinder M lenses with adapter).
Dude wtf. Our brains are on the same wavelength. Was shopping for a Q for months and bought one around the same time as you. Been shopping for an M240 for the past month and now... 🤔
Thanks for watching!! And yeah these 240’s aren’t terrible or anything, but if I end up going the M route I’ll save up the little extra and be patient to get a used m10. Just my thoughts tho! Try to test and see for yourself 🙌
Still shooting a Leica M9 and Monochrom CCD; for me, the risk is worth the reward. There’s always a risk for older cameras, like shooting an Xpan or any Contax point & shoots-those break and you have a really expensive brick. It depends on the photographer and their choice of creative tool (along with their risk). As for image quality, I think it’s a dangerous philosophy for anything outside of studio photography. Find a camera that you love, master it as a creative tool, make an amazing photograph, mat and frame it-anyone who brings up imagine quality during a critique is missing the point. You’ll be fine with most functioning cameras out there. Look at the icons of photography, you’ll be hard pressed to find immaculate image quality in all their photographs. Eh but who am I?
I have both an Xpro2 and mp240. I did some side by sides blind tested and liked the Leica about 80% of the time. I keep the Fuji for when I’m casually shooting or want JPGS. I generally carry a film M so I can wet print in my darkroom, so the mp240 makes a lot of sense in keeping a consistent work flow between the 2. Also, if one has a good group of M lenses, it may actually be cheaper to get an M than having to purchase an entire new system.
I couldn't help but notice the lens you were using, was it an old 50mm? I want to purchase an M-p too, but I am not sure if there would be any issues with my summicron 50mm DR since it's from the 50s. Haven't seen any videos talking about this.
Leica cameras in good condition are an investment and keep their value. That is my experience, for example when you sell a Fuji system you are lucky when you get one third of the new price for it after two years. I had some nice lenses to upgrade, didn’t loose much with Leica.
With the new iPhones and what a lot of Android smartphones are doing, I’m guessing that wide angle shots will be thé look of 2020. Which Micro Four Thirds lens do you recommend for that 13mm-like look? Love the videos, thanks for considering an answer.
I don't get people buying Leica camera's and don't use Leica glass (probably because the lenses cost more the the camera itself). Money is better spend building a set-up backwards by picking your lens first.
I believe I won't buy a used digital Leica for 3000/- bucks. But question is image quality, does a 5 year old digital Leica has a inferior image quality than newer digital Leica. If it is so, then it need to be established.
price may be high, i am not a leica user.. but the way i see it. 'less is more' cameras where you know you can just do everything with it don't seem that fun because you have all these options, leica seems like limiting camera that a lot of photographers seem to appreciate
The only problem is that it can't be "fixed" in post. It's true, when compared to the M10 the M240 could have a better image when pulling shadows BUT IF you shoot your exposure like you should , then you should have an image as good as the most recent M10. The M10 is still a 24MP camera and it still is not as "good" as a SONY or Fuji as far manipulating photos in post to an extreme. If you shoot the right exposure your image will be as good as any current camera. I dare to make a comparison shootout with the M240 and other current cameras and no one would be able to tell the difference if the images are shown as shot.
Old Leicas aren’t about image quality, they’re about image type. Some people want a more vintage look and older Leicas are great for that. I love the look of my M9, especially with vintage lenses. And no modern camera can come close to that. You gotta find what image type matches your artistic vision. Because there’s no such thing as better image quality. Only images that better match your style.
Bought my M240 two years ago now. Love it. Doesn't replace my Canon gear, but it's my go to for street photography. What lens were you using in this video?
Have you found yourself already wanting to upgrade to an M240? I have been bouncing between that and a Q for a little while now and can’t choose between the two. I’m having a hard time with the idea of not having autofocus in when shooting younger family and other fast moving subjects
I’m getting rid of my M-240 as we speak. It’s super cool and really fun. But it only works in good light. As soon as the ISO gets pushed up, the images have to be B&W otherwise they are disappointing. Also, the buffer is so slow in C mode it can be really frustrating. I shoot a lot of music photography and although I have gotten some good results, I find myself really frustrated. X-Pro2 it is.
The thing is, where do you find high quality manual focus only lenses and bodies nowadays? It has just became a race of autofocus and AI. I mean there is nothing bad about it, still every test out there is primaly on autofocus capabilities and image qualities. There is also a lack on focussing on the details. Even so a lot of the best pictures in history have a lack of perfect focus. Sure, you can adapt old lenses or third party lenses but I guess a Fujifilm GFX50R just with a manual focus body(maybe just with IBIS) and with manual focus lenses, with lenses without an autofocus engine in it, so small and slick, I would bet on it a lot Leica buyers or potential buyers would go for Fuji. Just an example. I guess others company could go the same way. There isn't really a "slow down"- high end camera except the Leica M-line. I wish there would be way more of it. And like you said, Leicas M-line was always more for the experience even so the optics are superior. I am definitly looking forward to go for a Leica some day, for the optics and the bodies, except yeah, like I said, big companies put their best sensors and knowledge in manual focus bodies and lenses as well.
How can he blame what he alleges are poor results on an older camera when he had the best lenses in the world to choose from? Some of the best photographs I have ever taken were with an M9 with a 50mm Summilux, which definitely IS the finest 50mm 1.4 in the world.
hey man my folks are sending me a leica digilux 1... im wondering if I can hook this up to the computer for streaming? does this have an output for hdmi? So I can connect to the Hdmi to usb3 dongle to computer.. Possible? Thanks for you vid! great production
Even with my generous trust fund I don't know if the market value (pocket change really but still kinda steep) is worth it. Digital just does not age like analog.
Honestly I don’t see the point of buying this when I can buy a plethora of better cameras and great lenses for the same amount for an old Leica body and get way better image quality, more options in looks, feel, and experiences, glass and flexibility. Every picture I have seen from people that shoot Leica are subpar and it seems the only reason people use them is simply for the ‘clout’ and bragging rights of shooting on a $5000000000 Leica camera, or retired old men who don’t know what to spend their money on, yet their images are no better then every other average joe with a point n shoot or dslr. I’m sure the “shooting experience” with them is great, as I have not used one before so I cannot say for myself. Simply based on observation. But I really can’t see how justifying paying $3000-$6000 for a under spect, slow, outdated “Leica” camera is worth it for that price. Gotta have that red dot on your camera I guess... Or you could just buy a Fujifilm or Sony digital camera or hell, even an old film Leica or Hasselblad camera for 1/10th the price plus a ton of glass for better images quality and flexibility.
💯 Question. I am currently using a Sony ds400x from my Uncle because he's not using it that much and I try to get some experience on it. He's going to take it with him when he's moving away. What is your opinion on the Nikon D5600? I saw a few "good" 2nd hand offerings (one guy had 4 lenses) and other dude sold for the same price only with one lense (the 50-300 I think).
No man! Maybe you have a defective leica. I've had a leica M-p type 240 for many years (exactly how many, not sure) and the image quality is NOT second class by any stretch of the imagination. I honestly do not know what you are talking about. You can make huge prints without problems. I think you are just nit picking over really trivial unimportant issues and present them as if they are everything about this camera and that if you are to use the leica type 240 you have to be prepared to put up with some major compromises. No way! Where do you come from with that kind of an assessment? Really, honestly, in some respects its a specialty camera and you just have to appreciate it for what it is. It's a great camera and I submit that 98% of the leica owners are probably far wanting in their ability to realize its full potentials. I can promise you that as long as my leica MP (240) remains faithful to me I will never get rid of it.
Well, image quality from Leica M10 or the new Q2 is just so so in terms of DR or low light sensitivity. I would say it is similar on my APS-C Sony A6300 but who cares. If I prefer to shoot with range finder. would like to feel and enjoy old style shooting in a digital camera. Image quality or any technical stuffs need to be out of the brain for a while.
I've been shooting with a M240 for almost four years now and the only issue is the slow buffer when shooting in 'c' mode. It's my daily shooter and as a tool for a press photographer it's perfect. It's worth every penny cause it's pure photography. I would love to have a Q2 too so I don't need to shift lenses and keep the 50 on the 240 all time. Thumbs up for the M240 - and remember old Henry Royce: The quality will remain long after the price is forgotten.... have a nice day and enjoy life!
couldn't agree more!!!
C mode means continuous shooting mode.
@@CollectiveMindz I know!
Bought a Leica M (typ 240) 3 weeks ago and I'm loving. Sure it's not up to the latest standards and it's not the fastest, but I gave me the fun back with photography. :)
Disagree, have two m240's and a Q. Love the m240s. I shoot them with Zeiss zm lenses. Match made in heaven. Different strokes for different folks... Great video!!!!
Ok. Let me get this straight. The lens and viewfinder/rangefinder was working fine, as you could focus and frame fine. Same thing for the sensor. So, we can agree that this flagship camera (Leica's best rangefinder camera until 2017) was working as intended by the manufacturer.
With the above being said, we can all agree that this camera has nothing to do with any photographer out there not being able to grab a decent image with it. And it doesn't matter whether it is year 2013, 2023, 2033.
The image quality with Leica glass on the 240 is stunning even today. I like it much more than my previous Canons and Fujis.
Honestly if im going to get a old leica. It would be one of their film cameras.
Best value for your money is likely a Leica LTM camera with screw-mount - they sometimes can be found for good prices below $400 and just might need CLA (same for any older M-based film camera, too). Look out for Leica III series (it doesn't matter much if it is a IIIc, IIIg, or IIIf). Main disadvantage of them compared to Leica M film cameras is the more cumbersome insertion of the film into the camera, but you get used to quite quickly.
@@MB-or8js They also have separate rangefinder and viewing windows, but that's not such a problem with zone focusing. I have a 1937 Leica IIIa which still works fine, but I don't use it now.
@@MB-or8js I own a Barnack and a couple of film Ms. The LTM is fun, but in no way would I want it to be my every day camera. Just having to cut the film to load it makes it a hassle, then there's the tiny separate viewfinders. It's small, and even pocketable if you have big pockets and a collapsible lens, but m2 and m3s, as well as something like an m4-2 are still relatively cheap and would be a much better buy IMO.
I don´t think you understand the intention behind these cameras.Just the raw image quality is not everything. i`ts also the quality of the colors, the lenses and everything around it. But you were right with the experience. It is indeed a experience.
Hi Evan you made the Vlog that I really wanted. Yes I have Leica Lust and I am sold on the build quality and feel of the Leica experience but I realize that I can take wonderful imagery and also really enjoy all my Fuji gear. I am fortunate to have a number of different bodies so to satisfy my Leica Lust I dumbed down an XT20 to full manual and bought a couple of voigtlander lenses (which are superb by the way and absolute bargains) and have had such great fun without breaking the bank. So I am staying with my Fuji’s ( Xpro2 x100f XH1) and getting on with enjoying my passion and creating imagery and using the obscene amount of money I would have spent on the M240 to travel to great destinations with my wife, whilst still indulging in my passion for photography. The great thing is it’s all about making the choice. Really enjoy the channel and you saved me a bundle by confirming what I already suspected. Regards from the desert. Steve. Dubai
Just got an M240 this summer and haven't left home without it. Problem is there is a lot of banding in the shadow noise. My Fuji handles it considerably better. That being said it is challenging in a good way and incredible fun to shoot with.
Bought my M240 from B&H last year and I’ve already made my money back from using it on shoots. It is a conversation piece that helps me get clients, especially when they see the photos. Is it the best in low light, no but neither is the 5D MkII that I still use. I don’t know what your style of shooting is but based on the photos you showed in the video, it didn’t really look like you used the camera at it’s strengths ( I saw one pic of a hand holding your hat). If you really want to test it out, take some people pics, either portraits or candids. At the end of the day though, it really boils down to what you shoot, how you shoot and picking the best tool for the job.
Alex Webb`s new book will be released late September, I believe most of it was shot on the M9 & M240. Look at that work in that book and consider that the cameras were released in 2009 and 2013 and all that matters is the person using it.
Even Alan schaller was using MM for the longest time, I think he mentioned he doesn't really need to upgrade to the M10M.
I have a Q-P, and a complete Sony A7III system (complete means with several lenses). The main reason I will never ever buy a M system, and you are not mentionning it enough to me, is because of the focusing system. A telemeter is a very different way of manually focusing. For those who don't know how telemeters works, you have to align 2 parts on the viewfinder (which is optical, not electronic) to focus properly. You also need to frame your picture depending on the focal length you are using (remember, the viewfinder is optical...). I've used couple of rangefinder (back in the film days), and I have never been able to really appreciate them, because of the telemeter system. Some people do like telemeter cameras, but some, like me, don't. My advise is : try them before spending an money on it. I really liked this video, and the way you've concluded it. This is a wise conclusion. Thanks for your videos.
which camera do you find yourself using more?
@@nyctechclub The A7III is way, way, way more versatile than my Q-P.
Im using a Leica M-8 and I love it. Worth 1500 eh it depends on who you are. My M8 is my everyday camera so its prefect to give that feeling of film when I cant shoot film. Ive used it on one pro shoot and the clients loved the look. So I think they are worth it, but it depends on the person.
Marvin Boyd Co Same here...
Shot a black M8 for a couple years in 2015-16. Favorite camera I've ever owned. Until it got stolen.
For me, the main reason to get a Leica (beyond the “Leica experience”) is having access to Leica glass and, because of this, having access to the smallest fullframe system ever, keeping a great IQ. Nowadays you can maybe get smaller cameras but not smaller systems. Mirrorless means today pretty small bodies with ridiculous big lenses. Leicas are perfectly balanced and they are the easiest equipment you’re always gonna have with you, ready to shoot (Leicas or your cell phone).
I bought a M typ 240 a few months ago and love every minute of using it. The feeling I get using this camera is incomparable. I never had such a great time shooting. My Xpro2 collects dust now.
Worth every penny.
CollectiveMindz considering doing this exact same thing... leaving my X-Pro2 for a M-P 240 of M TYP 262. Any genuinely noticeable loss in IQ like DR? I rarely shoot higher than 1600, so I’m not too concerned about higher ISO use.
@@michaellozano936 I haven't done any direct comparisons between the two. The Fuji obviously has better high ISO but the Leica is fine up to ISO 3200 and you will see some banding at 6400.
If you can get proper exposures then the Leica has plenty to work with. If you under expose in low light you will get green color in shadows if you pull the shadows or exposure up in post. If you convert to black and white any under exposed shots they are fine.
So the camera is a little less forgiving if you don't know how to get proper exposures but if you do, it's a very rewarding experience.
CollectiveMindz thanks for the quick reply! Yeah I’m usually shooting between ISO 200-400, and in dim/night situations rarely push past 1600.
I often underexpose in bright daylight situations at ISO 200, so I don’t clip highlights and recover shadows in C1. Is this something that fares well with the M 240, or does that banding still exist even when recovering shadow detail at low ISO? Thanks!
@@michaellozano936 What settings would you use on a sunny blue sky day and I can try it out for you. Shutter speed, Iso and fstop.
I usually expose to the right, meaning I expose as far to the highlights without clipping them and then lower my exposure in capture one.
@@michaellozano936 I went the same route, sold my X-Pro2 and some lenses and get M-P 240. I miss nothing, there's some noise if you shoot at higher ISO of couse but easily fix (or not) in post. Getting M-P240 is the best value right now because it has similar sensor with M10, just different processor..meaning you get noise reduction done in camera while on 240 you do it yourself in post. And remember this is full frame, so ISO 3200 would look as good as ISO 1600 on Fuji and so on.
The lens used needs to be considered in this discussion....
Can't be sure, but it looked like a Zeiss, either 50mm or 35 mm.
make a video just about the poodle please
I recently upgraded from a M8 to the M240. In my case its a huge upgrade ;-). I use to shoot Nikon, I loved it but for everyday carry on camera the Nikon was just to big. Even with the new mirrorless cameras they have all the same problem: The lenses are too big due to the AF. I think for product shots and some other commercial shots its maybe the wrong choice but for everything else more then capable. The nice thing with the M240 it has live view so with an adapter you can use basically any non Leica / M-mount lens on it. Great video !
MrBillboeing Exactly. I also prefer to take my M8 to trips over my Nikon gear. Mirrorless (in this case cameras with an EVF) are pointless in terms of size and handling compared to the Leica. I can carry my complete Leica kit in one small Nikon canvas bag (5 lenses, three batteries and the M8). Try that with any other system...
Funktrainer I loved my M8, unfortunately I can’t afford to keep them both so I traded my M8 in and added some cash for the M240. I have to say the files SOOC are better with the M8 ! Enjoy shooting.
I just got this camera a few weeks ago and man am I glad I did. Went from the M6 and wanted a digital. This is for a 3rd camera for wedding and lifestyle photography.
Coming from some one who literally has your setup (Leica Q-P & M-P typ 240) I have a couple of thoughts. Yes, the Q 'feels' like a more modern camera. Because it was built in conjunction with Panasonic. It's an auto-focusing Point & shoot. it's a leica on 'easy mode.' A Leica M, on the other hand, is a completely different beast. The 240 challenges me as a photographer because it's the closest you can get to an analogue shooting experience without actually picking up a roll of film. I'm constantly amazed at ppl who look at the ISO on the 240 as outdated. We inversely talk about wanting huge iso range, while trying to shoot as low and close to 'base ISO' as possible. It's about as outdated as a Leica m6, sure. But it's still relevant : A venerable artistic tool that's past it's prime, but serves as a pathway to your art. Also a note on the lens type you chose: The Zeiss ZM has a bit of a focus problem as you change apertures. I went with the slightly slower Summarit 50mm 2.4 and it pairs like a good wine. Leica cameras work best with leica glass. It sounds cliche, but look at your Q. That 28mm 1.7 is absolutely gorgeous.
I use the M-P and the Q2. Both are great. M-P = simplicity and does not, for me, make this an old camera. I have no problem with the files from the M-P. One of the main reasons I bought it, and bought it used, was that you just go shoot. Not overburdened with menu choices and buttons that temp you into some things that are other than the pure approach to shooting that is the Leica hallmark.
Not sure if I agree with this. I think your camera was out of spec. The image quality on the 240 with a proper lens is pretty amazing. Still in 2023.
I bought a used Leica M (Type 240) earlier this year, and it is perfectly capable of delivering stunning images. After all, it's not the camera, it's the photographer (sorry for the cliche). You are right when you say that rangefinder cameras are all about the experience. I bought mine to get away from the technological wonders that are my other cameras, and go back to a slower, more considered style of photography. But beware, buying an "old" Leica can hurt your wallet, as I am right now waiting delivery of a brand new M10-P. Leicas are addictive to some. By the way, that Q you are using is four years old technology, so also qualifies as an "old" Leica. I believe it has the same sensor and processor as the M Type 240, but I could be wrong about that.
I've 3 M9s as well as an M6 and M2. IQ is subjective there are loads of us shooting older stuff that appreciate it. I get it won't probably cut it for your paid jobs but there's something satisfying about using the old gear for personal stuff. I find no issues with the IQ of my M9s and they need almost no PP to make images that I really like. I think you are a bit harsh on the older tech but I guess you need the most up to date for your work. BTW I also shoot Fuji X-T2 and GFX 50S so I know what modern sensors can deliver.
The great thing about Leica is that you are always evolving, and can re-sell the Leica for an upgrade, I would love the M10, but, after shooting with DSLRs, I'm downsizing to Leicas, for my retirement years, already tried the Q, Vario-X, love both cameras, and the unique Leica image, upgrading to the M240, going to play round with this camera and eventually move up to an M10...
great take! I am looking to purchase my first Leica...don't know where to start
Never shot a Leica, however, I LOVE shooting with old technology. I shoot purely for my own pleasure, not Social Media, 'likes', or whatever. Old camera technology gives a different 'look' than what the majority of everyone else is doing. Both my Nikon DSLR's are 10+ years old (I mostly shoot at night with digital, or in low-light) and for the most part, I am shooting with either "AF-D" and manual focus lenses. They render differently than the new(er) stuff. I LOVE them.
I have zero interest in the latest whiz bang wi-fi, GPS, touch screen gadgetry. Simplicity is divinity. I like heavy, well-built bodies, that have intuitive user interfaces.
For film, while it matters less, I would never part with any of my +35 year old Nikon F3's or Ai-s glass.
This camera ist still available new.
The M8 and M9 are also still worth buying.
Sorry, you don't shoot with the body (that you are only talking about) but with the lenses! Leica is about lenses and the bodies deliver best results with Leica lenses. Therfore, if you are willing to invest in (expensive) Leica lenses it is worth having a M240 or other M camara.
Image quality (as you described) is just one of the least important factor for professionals. The only ones that cares and depends on image quality are the commercial photographers, for them, more is always better: All the rest, can produce amazing work with any camera made in the last decade, and that´s why still the majority of pros still use 5 to 7 years old slr cameras, with not so different tech as this sensor has.
Great video! I was thinking about buying the M9 (which is almost 10 year old tech!) because people seem to love the colors. I drove to Wetzlar to get one, but ended up buying the Q2 instead (which I absolutely love). If I ever go for an M, it will be the M10 (or whatever comes after). Like you said...in the end I don't want to miss out on image quality, because the sensor can't handle it. That being said, I'm sure they are still good cameras, but I'd save the extra money to get something newer.
do you mind not being able to swap out the lens with the q2 at all?
@@nyctechclub I was afraid of that before I bought it, but to be honest it's a relief to not have to think/decide which lens to take with me...or to take all of them which was what I had done before all the time.
@@labradorhund7769 awesome thank you! One of the fun things with camera gear is getting a bunch of lenses so its hard to not have that option. Can you tell me with the 28 is it good for portraits like family get togethers or does it distort the face much? I was thinking of selling my a7iii and getting a Leica, maybe its better to have both for different shooting.
@@nyctechclub I was worried about the 28mm, but my favourite focal length had always been 35mm and, frankly, it's not that big a difference. I constantly have the Q2 with me at family gatherings. The pictures are more like "environmental portraits", which is something I actually always liked most. I don't notice any distortion at 28mm, but it's a different look when you compare it to say a 50mm. I have the Sony A7II and I have hardly used it since I bought the Leica Q2. Only took it out when I had to make the headshots at work and I needed the 55mm for that and I had almost forgotten how to use it. The Q2 is just so much fun to use and quite versatile. But yes, there are limitations: with an interchangeable lens system you are ready to just do anything. On the other hand, in my case, I ended up packing way too much stuff and changing lenses all the time. It got on my nerves and hurt my back. I am actually thinking about selling the Sony. But I don't know if I'm there yet.
I was just taking a look at the Leica forum. There was this one guy who took fantastic portraits in Sierra Leone, but unfortunately he deleted his account and the pictures with it. There were some great examples of portrait work with the Q2. Anyways, here's a link to the thread, there's still some cool images there ... just not very many portraits www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/303026-leica-q2-images-post-them-here/page/160/#comments
Thanks for sharing your journey in trying to answer this question. I think it's like anything with tech in it--- smartphones, cars, tv's, computers, digital cameras, etc. I think as long as you can understand/accept the product's limitations relative to buying the newest model, go for it.
Honestly you can find a m10 now a days for 4200-4500 which I think is worth the extra cost
The price difference can get you a Summicron tho. And the point of shooting a Leica is to use Leica sensor+ Leica glass, but this is just me.
This is still a relatively new camera in the Leica digital world. They really upgraded the sensor once with M10R. =) And we kinda passed the age about high ISO issues anyways with nice Leica lens with F/1.4
I think he intentionally avoids talking about the lens he is using. Leica is about their lenses, especially for digital bodies. M 240 performs fine up to ISO 1600. With a 1.4 lens, plenty for night shooting.
Wanna buy an old Leica (M8/M9) at a great price? Buy the Fuji X-Pro 1 and adapt some Voigtlander lenses. The “feel” is definitely indistinguishable image wise after handling both brands.
Great video and excellent points for someone considering Leica M series. I would add the Leica glass holds its value and is arguable the best glass out there. I used the Voigtlander 40mm/1.4 for a while on my M then got a 10 year old 50mm Summicron - WHOA, what a great lens! Noticeably better image quality, imo.
Dunno, are click bait titles worth clicking? 🤷♂️
Would be great to get your feedback on the Leica M-E (when it's released soon). Supposedly, it's the new "budget" 240 with some good updates.
Dude, literally just thinking about this the other day! Also, love how all your ‘disappointing’ images were awesome! 💪🏼
The big things for me are size, understated and the rangefinder focussing.
I agree about the premium price versus image quality.
If someone else made a small full frame rangefinder that could mount Leica glass at a cheaper price I would buy it. And it’s not Pixii.
I own the Q and just sold my M240, imo if I’m going to shoot digital I would like to have autofocus.
I totally disagree with you - the Leica m 240 P is a far superior camera to the Leica Q.........especially when paired with some of the best glass in the world. ie the Leica Summilux lens or the Lei a Noctilux . With this combination, and if skilled in shooting Rangefinders, you will definitely be producing the finest quality imagery imaginable, unbeatable by any other dslr on the market - I would suggest you are just not that familiar shooting Rangefinders, thus your imagery was inferior to what you produce with your Q or any other point and shoot camera with an EVF...........Rangefinders take time to learn and you can't expect to pick one up, having never used one before, and then produce stunning imagery. I suggest you do a little more research into the Leica brand. Also, they still produce the Leica m 240 p so you need not buy "an old dslr" when you can walk into a multitude of camera stores and buy yourself a brand new one quite easily. One more thing - I found it quite odd that in your 13 plus minute review of the 240p you never once showed us a single sample image? why was that?
Bought a 262 and love it for the SOOC jpg quality as well as the Rangefinder/ Leica experience
Evan, appreciate you sharing first of all. Having said that, I think your comments did not have sufficient history behind them. By that I mean not enough time was given to hone the camera/lens attributes which is warranted when you shoot with a Leica. I would liken the learning curve to a courtship between your vision and the equipment to reproduce. Did you perhaps shoot any black and whites which Leica is strongly known for? Just a septuagenarian's observation. Much success in your endeavors.
Respectfully,
I wish you weren't so critical of your own work. Every vlog you beat yourself up about some of your shots! Your work is great!
I can't even afford to watch this video 😂
TFW you see a video and know someone was inspired by you ☺️. Love seeing someone else making some Leica videos’
Cool video Evan. I guess the best camera is the one you feel most comfortable with. Isn't it?
Like the objectively laid out points of pros and cons regarding predecessor version(s) of actual Leica M digital cameras. I am using several Leica rangefinder film cameras (from IIIc to M7) but can't convince myself to vest into a digital Leica M - I enjoy the Leica rangefinder experience simply with film where I see a much better ratio for what you get for your money. Prices for my film LTM and M cameras have doubled or even tripled in the past three years. For B&W, I find film superior to any digital camera and also enjoy the film development process. For the rest...like you said, I think there are better MLC options of other brands out there with better sensor technology for less money (which also can use rangefinder M lenses with adapter).
Why using Zeiss lens? At lease you have to attach a leica lens to get the true leica quality image before making yr conclusion.
Dude wtf. Our brains are on the same wavelength.
Was shopping for a Q for months and bought one around the same time as you.
Been shopping for an M240 for the past month and now... 🤔
Thanks for watching!! And yeah these 240’s aren’t terrible or anything, but if I end up going the M route I’ll save up the little extra and be patient to get a used m10. Just my thoughts tho! Try to test and see for yourself 🙌
Still shooting a Leica M9 and Monochrom CCD; for me, the risk is worth the reward. There’s always a risk for older cameras, like shooting an Xpan or any Contax point & shoots-those break and you have a really expensive brick. It depends on the photographer and their choice of creative tool (along with their risk). As for image quality, I think it’s a dangerous philosophy for anything outside of studio photography. Find a camera that you love, master it as a creative tool, make an amazing photograph, mat and frame it-anyone who brings up imagine quality during a critique is missing the point. You’ll be fine with most functioning cameras out there. Look at the icons of photography, you’ll be hard pressed to find immaculate image quality in all their photographs. Eh but who am I?
Evan I want to see you shoot with an M6 :P
I have both an Xpro2 and mp240. I did some side by sides blind tested and liked the Leica about 80% of the time. I keep the Fuji for when I’m casually shooting or want JPGS. I generally carry a film M so I can wet print in my darkroom, so the mp240 makes a lot of sense in keeping a consistent work flow between the 2. Also, if one has a good group of M lenses, it may actually be cheaper to get an M than having to purchase an entire new system.
I couldn't help but notice the lens you were using, was it an old 50mm? I want to purchase an M-p too, but I am not sure if there would be any issues with my summicron 50mm DR since it's from the 50s.
Haven't seen any videos talking about this.
Leica cameras in good condition are an investment and keep their value. That is my experience, for example when you sell a Fuji system you are lucky when you get one third of the new price for it after two years. I had some nice lenses to upgrade, didn’t loose much with Leica.
With the new iPhones and what a lot of Android smartphones are doing, I’m guessing that wide angle shots will be thé look of 2020. Which Micro Four Thirds lens do you recommend for that 13mm-like look? Love the videos, thanks for considering an answer.
You really didn’t use this to it’s full potential. I took an MP to Tokyo. Day and night, the IQ was awesome with a fast lens.
I don't get people buying Leica camera's and don't use Leica glass (probably because the lenses cost more the the camera itself). Money is better spend building a set-up backwards by picking your lens first.
U know it's a good video when it starts from chrome yellow coffee shop 👏.
FACTS!! Thanks for watching!
Surely its not about the firmware or digital software. I shoot an old M2 Leica , I think the less options the better for photography.
When you say “old Leica camera” I’m thinking 30 to 40 years old.
I believe I won't buy a used digital Leica for 3000/- bucks. But question is image quality, does a 5 year old digital Leica has a inferior image quality than newer digital Leica. If it is so, then it need to be established.
2 years later and I still think the MP typ 240 is the best Leica. That’s purely down to the 24 MP and sapphire crystal LCD rear screen.
price may be high, i am not a leica user.. but the way i see it. 'less is more' cameras where you know you can just do everything with it don't seem that fun because you have all these options, leica seems like limiting camera that a lot of photographers seem to appreciate
You could get them cheaper. They go for around $2400 to $3000 on ebay.
Yeah. I just bought a used one for $2,100 at B&H. Loving it for when I need to shoot digitally.
The only problem is that it can't be "fixed" in post. It's true, when compared to the M10 the M240 could have a better image when pulling shadows BUT IF you shoot your exposure like you should , then you should have an image as good as the most recent M10. The M10 is still a 24MP camera and it still is not as "good" as a SONY or Fuji as far manipulating photos in post to an extreme. If you shoot the right exposure your image will be as good as any current camera. I dare to make a comparison shootout with the M240 and other current cameras and no one would be able to tell the difference if the images are shown as shot.
Old Leicas aren’t about image quality, they’re about image type. Some people want a more vintage look and older Leicas are great for that. I love the look of my M9, especially with vintage lenses. And no modern camera can come close to that. You gotta find what image type matches your artistic vision. Because there’s no such thing as better image quality. Only images that better match your style.
Random question but are you by chance related in any way to Ed Bolian? You two look alike and are both from the ATL
i'm owned m10 before,but someday, i find out mp240 much more lovely in jpeg output
..and i switch from m10 to mp240 blackpaint..no regret.!
Just give it to your Dad :)
I just held a Leica it was nice, had a good feeling and some crisp contrast
There was me thinking you meant "old" camera ... That isn't old.
PS: Your parents place looks huge.
Hey Evan sell your cameras and go and buy a Leica for your dad. You need to do it now.
Bought my M240 two years ago now. Love it. Doesn't replace my Canon gear, but it's my go to for street photography. What lens were you using in this video?
It's zeiss planar 50 f2 zm
Have you found yourself already wanting to upgrade to an M240? I have been bouncing between that and a Q for a little while now and can’t choose between the two. I’m having a hard time with the idea of not having autofocus in when shooting younger family and other fast moving subjects
I’m getting rid of my M-240 as we speak. It’s super cool and really fun. But it only works in good light. As soon as the ISO gets pushed up, the images have to be B&W otherwise they are disappointing.
Also, the buffer is so slow in C mode it can be really frustrating. I shoot a lot of music photography and although I have gotten some good results, I find myself really frustrated.
X-Pro2 it is.
The thing is, where do you find high quality manual focus only lenses and bodies nowadays? It has just became a race of autofocus and AI.
I mean there is nothing bad about it, still every test out there is primaly on autofocus capabilities and image qualities.
There is also a lack on focussing on the details.
Even so a lot of the best pictures in history have a lack of perfect focus.
Sure, you can adapt old lenses or third party lenses but I guess a Fujifilm GFX50R just with a manual focus body(maybe just with IBIS) and with manual focus lenses, with lenses without an autofocus engine in it, so small and slick, I would bet on it a lot Leica buyers or potential buyers would go for Fuji.
Just an example.
I guess others company could go the same way.
There isn't really a "slow down"- high end camera except the Leica M-line.
I wish there would be way more of it.
And like you said, Leicas M-line was always more for the experience even so the optics are superior.
I am definitly looking forward to go for a Leica some day, for the optics and the bodies, except yeah, like I said, big companies put their best sensors and knowledge in manual focus bodies and lenses as well.
Great content as always, enjoyed watching the video even if I'm not shopping for a Leica myself :)
Digital Leica is such a mystery to me. Don't get it. For that money buy a GFX50R instead...
Thomas Hill Don‘t get it? Just try it.
How can he blame what he alleges are poor results on an older camera when he had the best lenses in the world to choose from? Some of the best photographs I have ever taken were with an M9 with a 50mm Summilux, which definitely IS the finest 50mm 1.4 in the world.
hey man my folks are sending me a leica digilux 1... im wondering if I can hook this up to the computer for streaming? does this have an output for hdmi? So I can connect to the Hdmi to usb3 dongle to computer.. Possible? Thanks for you vid! great production
Love my new shirt, everyone asking where to get one! I’ll be heading to Jackson St bridge for a day to night TL on Monday (weather) permitting!
Aye thanks for grabbing one, and hope you get some great photos while you’re out there!!
I leica that camera.. 😬
Thumbnail on fire Evan! 🔥
Even with my generous trust fund I don't know if the market value (pocket change really but still kinda steep) is worth it. Digital just does not age like analog.
Honestly I don’t see the point of buying this when I can buy a plethora of better cameras and great lenses for the same amount for an old Leica body and get way better image quality, more options in looks, feel, and experiences, glass and flexibility. Every picture I have seen from people that shoot Leica are subpar and it seems the only reason people use them is simply for the ‘clout’ and bragging rights of shooting on a $5000000000 Leica camera, or retired old men who don’t know what to spend their money on, yet their images are no better then every other average joe with a point n shoot or dslr. I’m sure the “shooting experience” with them is great, as I have not used one before so I cannot say for myself. Simply based on observation. But I really can’t see how justifying paying $3000-$6000 for a under spect, slow, outdated “Leica” camera is worth it for that price. Gotta have that red dot on your camera I guess...
Or you could just buy a Fujifilm or Sony digital camera or hell, even an old film Leica or Hasselblad camera for 1/10th the price plus a ton of glass for better images quality and flexibility.
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Question. I am currently using a Sony ds400x from my Uncle because he's not using it that much and I try to get some experience on it. He's going to take it with him when he's moving away. What is your opinion on the Nikon D5600? I saw a few "good" 2nd hand offerings (one guy had 4 lenses) and other dude sold for the same price only with one lense (the 50-300 I think).
I'm one of the people who buys leica to shoot and gaffer tape the red dot
And its all about what lenses you use.
Whats the brand name of your glasses and model?
Learning Photography before reviewing a Camera should be your priority. Cheers!
No man! Maybe you have a defective leica. I've had a leica M-p type 240 for many years (exactly how many, not sure) and the image quality is NOT second class by any stretch of the imagination. I honestly do not know what you are talking about. You can make huge prints without problems. I think you are just nit picking over really trivial unimportant issues and present them as if they are everything about this camera and that if you are to use the leica type 240 you have to be prepared to put up with some major compromises. No way! Where do you come from with that kind of an assessment? Really, honestly, in some respects its a specialty camera and you just have to appreciate it for what it is. It's a great camera and I submit that 98% of the leica owners are probably far wanting in their ability to realize its full potentials. I can promise you that as long as my leica MP (240) remains faithful to me I will never get rid of it.
stopping everything to watch it!! :)
I would just stay with my Leica M4 I know it’s a film camera
Get to the point.
Someone once said about The Leica Experience” It can be summed up in one word....... Poverty!😁
Ayy lemme borrow that 😂 looks like a lot of fun.
Good to know that price doesn’t mean it’s the best gear
To me old digits Leica translates to one M model only, the unparalleled M9
my cameras are 13 and 7 years old (or 35-65 if counting film) so I'd feel right at home. it's just the price that makes me lose interest quick
Well, image quality from Leica M10 or the new Q2 is just so so in terms of DR or low light sensitivity. I would say it is similar on my APS-C Sony A6300 but who cares. If I prefer to shoot with range finder. would like to feel and enjoy old style shooting in a digital camera. Image quality or any technical stuffs need to be out of the brain for a while.