Do We Even Need Washes Anymore?
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My heart dropped when you pushed over the agrax earthshade :(
Don"t worry, it was gloss so its barely useful
@@ProphetBrohammed lmao fair enough, never bought a bottle of it before
Isnt it astounding how much force he needed to push over that pot?
Yet everbody spills it like its water.
@@ProphetBrohammed why is agrax earthshade even a thing? Why does dirt color need gloss
@@McBethklok I heard on one of the GW podcasts that it's used for shading metals. Since you may want some black or brown to bring out the details in metal but you don't want it to lose its luster
GW Wash pots fit perfectly in a 6x6 lego cube. No more spilling
ARE YOU A WIZARD!!
HOLY SHIT
Whaaaaaat!!! Legend right here folks... Cheers.
Wait…..hmmmmm
1st I spilled the Agrax, then the Nuln. WHY GORK? Why Mork....
thanks for useful tip wetting surface before panel lining
You don't have to push them over, they do that by themselves. I have to say in terms of washes I changed my approach. For some things like weathering, or ground variety, or metallics I still use them, but for skin and such I try to stay away, simply for the reason that I want to learn to shade like the pros with blending and glazing
Amazing tip on using water to do the thin lines with wash! Thank you.
Ok, I want to say thank you for that last tip about the water! I’ve been trying to find a way to make the runes on my Thousand Sons weapons really pop without getting the paint everywhere! I just tried that trick and thinned my paint down to almost the thinness of a wash, and it worked damn near perfect!
You need to stop being so fantastic! I can't stop watching your videos, how am I supposed to get any painting done when I'm so captivated by your easy going charisma?
NGL, that clip of you tipping the shade bottle made me feel very motivated to go find an STL of a shade bottle holder.
Actually a very particular one that I've already been a bit interested in, but that's netiher here nor there.
I can never abandon my liquid talent.
Panel lining with acrylic washes just using water is pure magic! Never seen it before. Thanks for the tip!
Luckily, a friend at my FLGS printed a pot holder for me that is proportioned perfectly for Citadel washes. GW sells a similar product. Also, the panel line effect works great on Eldar target reticles on the clear plastic canopies.
Deathguard Green + Agrax Earthshade is the spiciest combo
What i like with EoB is that you look for good solutions. So if GW have something good then you say it and not rage over GW like alot other UA-cams. With that you can have a clear head when listning to you. Keep up the good work.
Great vid. Lots of awesome advice and tips.
I use a cheap paint pallet and have my nuln oil in a dropper bottle to put it in said pallet. So I don't tip the pot over.
top tip on the panel lining
OMG that intro tipping over the pot! My hands were reaching for phantom paper towels while I screamed and cursed. Wife didn't know what I was doing.
Never knew how you got such clean panel lines with pin washing, thanks Jay!
13:11 I'm happy to see my work in this video since I'm new to the hobby but I'm extremely happy with it.
Looks good!
Jesus christ only knows the number of times I toppled over GW washes and ink
that water trick is straight gold thank you!
I agree on GW pot for was. The only proper use of them.
I d like to hear more about oil washes, no one told me about this hot new thing.
YOU CAN TAKE MY WASHES FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS
Thanks for the water tip
Panel lining with oil is much easier then acrylic wash.
But acrylic are faster in the other examples like tinting. There is a argument for then are they just limited contrast paints at that point ?
If a wash dries glossy, just cover the parts with a clear coat of matt medium once it's dry.
Why do you need synthetic brushes for oils? I've used my sable brushes with ois and had no problems occur. I use white spirit as thinner.
Any thoughts on Vallejo Game Color Wash?
welp. I just spilt my nuln oil and our sponge just sucked it all up and didn't let any of the paint out... must've used the wrong sort of sponge
I never liked the army painter washes. So I'm a little bit surprised that army painter is a favorite wash.
Black paint + water this is my wash
agrax earthshade makes my nose burn
Hmmm, interesting time for this video to be recommended to me… 🏴
I will never use oil paints.
That panel line trick is witchcraft.
New, lol oils have been used for years.
Long live Nuln Oil 🙂
INK!
dude i hope that was choco milk u splilled and not $8.50 worth of GW's wash
How I apply a wash:
1. Slap it on, move it around
2. Notice pools, drain them
3. Notice pools that have been there for a minute, attempt to drain them too
4. Leave ugly coffee stains
5. Panic
6. Apply more wash to the coffee stain area
7. Have a pool
8. Cry
9. Let it dry
10. Base coat again
Too relatable. Sometimes you can add "strip paint from airbrushing when applying the wash and reactivating the thin layer"
11. Throw mini across the room
12. Glue mini back together while crying
Say what you want, nuln oil is my necron painting godsend
how to make my space marines look a little grittier than the base color NULN OIL!
Use some regularly watered down black and paint it into where you need it
Actually have control
@@anotherinternetperson8495 also a good method
@@anotherinternetperson8495 i think you use to much if you dont have control over your wash.
@@anotherinternetperson8495 what's the difference??
You: *pushes over the earthshade*
Me: *reports video for Violent or repulsive content, hateful or abusive content, Harmful or dangerous acts, promotes terrorism, and captions issue*
That's youtube money right there, only those living the high life could waste wash for a gag 🤣
I have never seen that water trick for panel lines, that is fantastic!
My man drops this knowledge all casual while my mind exploded
Agreed this was probably the best tip in the whole video, great stuff!
came here to say this, gave the 100th like in stead
Same here! Mind blown.
Just tried it on some Tau drones and a 1/10 of flow improver in the water made it perfect!
I stopped using GW's shade paints in favor of just thinning down the Contrast paint of my choice. But I don't know anyone who thinks washes are bad. I guess some people think they're "newb." Then you realize multiple gold daemon winning artist Trovarion uses them extensively still, going by his latest few videos.
Like anything in art, the end result is all that matters. Did the paint used do the thing you wanted? Is the model pretty? Then kudos for using your tools.
me im a boxart copier painter only n couldnt give a r@t$ a$$ bout golden daemon realistic standards haha
You forgot the first step to cleaning a GW wash spill: taking a picture of it and posting it on ALL the socials
He made a whole video about it so he's good
I’d have to disagree about the GW washes. The heavy pigmentation becomes incredibly useful when going for a deep rich recess shade or making an open wound look sore and infected. But I suppose it depends on the individuals painting needs.
Probably best having a variety of brands in the toolbox. They all have uses and advantages.
Plus it is easier to thin a wash rather than to highen up it's pigmentation
That wetting a model prior to applying the pinwash is legendary.
I was coming down to comment that exact thing! Let's hope we both get the hang of this new tool in our belts!
Agreed. Wish I knew that years ago.
In reality is ABSURD. But this channel is known for some of the most retarded tips for the hobby ever.
@@themajinchaos7886 Every party has to have a party pooper. But no one invited you here to do so. So make your own channel or just go away.
@@themajinchaos7886 Whats the problem? It looked pretty much like applying an oil recess shade to me?
And I learn something new. Wetting my mini before adding panel lines! Great Tip!
You should always be sure before given stroke to anything that it is properly wet.
Sticky tac to the bottom of the pot is best. Havent spilled wash in a year.
Do not use your "good" brushes for washes. This is the fast road to having a new dry brushing brush.
"GW washes dry quick and Matte, which is awesome" *Shows pot of Agrax Earthshade Gloss*
yep! that's why I wasn't afraid to knock it over, its GLOSS
@@EonsOfBattle Would have been no great loss.
I got a pot of Matte that ended up with gloss inside and damn, it messed up a lot of Word Bearers. They gave me a solid gift card when I showed them though, so I can't be too mad.
0:13 "I'm never gonna financially recover from this"
Say waht you say, but leadbelcher and nuln oil makes some greeaat unpainted metal. Heck, in heavy amount it makes nice dirty metal for orks and 2-3 coats of nuln oil gives nice weathered down blackish gun paintjob.
I've been painting for 17 years and I never saw that panel washing prep trick that you did with water first before the paint. Brilliant!
the relief when you sponged up that wash. . .
Play with it while it's still wet. Only advice needed.
"...not leave it in sloppiness!"
*Screams in Blanchitsu*
Loved the water trick for the panel lining! 🙌🏻
Highlight of the video. Now I suddenly regret the panel liner I bought :D
Shit was magic.
That panel lining water technique was a nice little bonus I wasn't expecting.
Yeah...Would have been so useful a week ago when I was attempting something similar with some Blackstone Fortress explorer capes.May try and see if I can still do it
It's fucking brilliant is whst it is.
Spilling that agrax in the beginning physically pained me
Well I prefer using homemade acrylic washes for big pieces of terrain, as oil washes take too long to dry
I've only ever spilled Agrax. Why must you tug at my strings like this?
There is a stain on my basement floor underneath my treadmill where I spilled my first pot of agarax earthshade
What people forget is that an oil wash on a mini takes 3 hours to dry! They are normally used by scale modellers on 1/35 tanks, where they take 12 hours to dry! Also, Tamiya Panel liner is an enamel based product, if you don't put a gloss coat on before the liner, it will attack the acrylic paint! I am not trying to be elitist and say who's better-miniature figure painters or scale modellers. But those guys, when they make a 1/35 diorama it usually is 1 tank & 5 or 6 figures. Mini painters normally have entire squads or armies to paint! Also, model planes and tanks have large flat areas so acrylic washes would be no good for them, they have to use oil washes which they don't like because it's hours or even a week to dry! PLASMO did an oil paint sludge wash on a plane that took 1 week to dry!
really interesting! acrylic washes dry in about 30 seconds, maybe a minute if you really glob it on.
The word “wash” doesnt sound real anymore after this vid lol
Also that was my Tau commander at the end! :)
Full support for GW pots in this, and no other, circumstance.
Yeah, the thinner paints like washes are ok in pots.
My last bottle of nuln oil was spilt all over my table twice, then mopped up and put back in the bottle just like you demonstrated. Hardly any wash was lost and my table now has a dark, lustrous finish.
the panel line bit was like pure witrchcraft.
thanks man. I never knew that technique before. where can I get one of those panel lining brushes, please?
I wish i new it a long time ago the trick first a little bit of water than the shade, it would have saved me many many hours of painting, thank you very mutch for the water tip
I feel like a lot of channels tend to state things like "stop using washes to become a better painter". While I do understand that sentiment, I also believe washes can be great for newcomers to the hobby/younger painters, as well as using them for rank and file minis. Don't wash shame each other, people!
Idk how other people paint, but i do a spray can of black on everything, then white spray can just from the top, then water based paint slightly watered down for all my layers, and then usual a dark wash, like a black or a brown just evenly over everything. Its quick, looks great on most things, and while some characters with lots of different colors, such as humans wearing cloaks and stuff, im generally lazy and just do black. Sometimes i will do black, with a light layer of brown near their feet for like a trudging through the dirt effect, and sometimes i use red for melee weapons
Im actually afraid of using oils. Some of my dnd painting when i first started painting minis were with oils, and they always looked bad, but water based paint is my god sent
I like washes my favorite is agrax earthshade
Not only did you just win clickbait of the week but you also threw some shade (pun intended 😜) on people knocking over their washes
Despite the amount of work involved, I still feel like oil washes produce a better result when applied correctly.
Agreed.
Tipping over the wash pot hurt my soul. Now I know Jay is rolling in $$$ since he could just waste a wash pot.
I've lost half a bottle of Nuln Oil Gloss like that. Unfortunately for me, my workbench sucked it up in only a minute or two. Very sad. :(
Really interesting video, thanks. I´m coming from scale modeling and have been using oil washes for decades. I was pleasantly surprised to discover GW acrylic washes recently and always use them now when I want quick results. They are a godsend for pilot figures, where putting much effort in painting would be wasted since they sit mostly obscured in a cockpit. However, for really advanced miniatures i still prefer oils because they can be controlled more precisely due to their extended drying time. For best results I use Humbrol or Abt.502 thinners. I also have to agree that Vallejo acrylic washes are pretty useless.
I’m sorry, you put some water over it and it does what now?!
How did I not know this before painting over 3000points of T’au?! This must be sorcery!
I was using a newly opened reikland for my 50+ stormcast models and knocked it over. My heart stopped 😱 I used a hefty brush to scoop it back up
Oh man, you really had me for a second there. I was in the middle of writing "YOU SHUT YOUR DIRTY MOUTH".
I have unsteady hands, a nervous tremor (its from brain dmg I got when I was younger). washes for me where the solution. I could achieve great table top minis that i could never do with my motor skills
Washes are the best as long as you go back with your base color and put the hilights back in. I always make sure to have a wash in every primary color plus black and brown on hand. That being said you can get away with just black and brown in 80% of cases
Don't forget to wash behind your ears
I absolutely love washes. From an all over agrax on death guard models, to red tone on zoanthropes brains for instant perfection, I cannot paint without them.
Fortunatly, the day GW stop washes, other companies will pick them up. a lot of minis painted now look so fake, washes help realism, i remain unconvinced with oil washes
I didn't think it was possible for me to become triggered, but then you purposely pushed that bottle of agrax earthsade over.
Bro, that water panel lining trick, you've changed the game
I have one of those triangular 3 GW paint pot holders that I use just to keep my washes from spilling.
The water trick for pin washes. I needed this very badly. I do not want to think about how many times I redid cypher lords headdresses.
Take it from someone who uses tons if oils, they are not dead! If anything the wash and relayer technique is fading away but the washes still have tons of uses
Tbh inks are the best. For shading, glazing. And as poor man's contrasts and filters
Oh, I'll be keeping a small sponge on hand after this. But the pin washing technique is going to get some solid use. Thanks!
*REMEMBER* the days of dipping miniatures and using a *power drill* ?
9:47 Where were you like 2 weeks ago when I was slamming my head against the wall trying to pin shade my Deathwing!
I love Seraphim Sepia. It's so good. Over white it makes a good easy bone.
I have never seen your pin wash technique where you used water first. I am definitely giving that a try.
That $8 shot felt like a $50 one
For any newbies looking for tips, washes can legitimately take your model from a 3/10 to an 8/10. It provides depth that you desperately need, it's extremely easy to apply, and it's forgiving. I usually use it on top of a base coat, and then add another layer of paint in spots that need touching
PSA: washes are just watered down paint, you can make your own by adding extra water to paint
@@LopsidedMoz No, they are not. There's additional additives that change qualities like surface tension. This is most apparent in the GW versus Army Painter comparison to be made in which Army Painter and older GW washes are notorious for pooling heavily in recesses, while the newer/current GW washes have better application control.
You can make your own washes, yes. But if you think it's just a matter of adding more water to paint, then you have no idea what you're doing or talking about. You should be using actual thinning mediums, to start with, but there's more you can do beyond that.
I see so much hate for gloss washes and I honestly don't understand why...maybe I've just painted too many oily nurgle daemons >.>