The Ryzen AM4 platform was just a great journey for me. Started on the 1600, then the 3600, and finally the 5800X3D, all with the same B350 motherboard. I don't see myself upgrading any time soon as the 5800X3D can perfectly keep up with my 3070 for 1440p.
Sounds awesome I’m planning on purchasing a 3070 once I find the right price. Is the 3070 a great fit for your system? Would there be any limitations? I’ve got a similar build and want to upgrade the GPU.
Was fully on board with Ryzen started with a 1400X, 2600X, 3700X and now a 5800X all on the same Asus X370 ROG Gaming-F motherboard That thing will keep you company for a while and if you plan to ever upgrade your GPU it should be OK all the way to an RTX4080 or an RX7900XTX and that is pushing it as it's best partner would likely be an RTX4070ti or an RX7900.
@@nano60 trust me dont go with 8gb vram its so bad on 2k unless ur welling to lower some texture from ultra to high i sold my 3070 ti and went for the 3080 ti if u want to buy something around that price i prefer u go with amd 6750xt/6800/6800xt are much better with more vram also helps if u have more than 1 monitor and btw my 3800x could handle the 3070ti easily 5800x3d much better with higher than 3070ti also the lows will be way better on it
I’ve actually been surprised at the volume the 5800X3D was/is produced. Still being available is impressive as well. That CPU really is a gift to the AM4 platform.
@@gags730 Same here. In late 2019 bought 3600, Zen 3 was not released but on horizon. Then C19 and shortages. Now the same PC is running 58X3D and 6950XT.
Been using 5800X3D for over a year now and still running like a champ. And since, IMO, make little sense to upgrade for Zen 4 3D V-Cache. I'll wait for Zen 5 3D V-Cache version instead.
If you are currently satisfied with the performance of the AMD Ryzen 7 5800X, it might be more beneficial for you to wait for future releases, such as Zen 4 processors, to see if they offer any significant improvements over the existing options.
@@jeremytine IMO upgrading the plattform should only be done once you need something other than the CPU (more M2 slots or more higher speed PCIe lanes so you can add way more SSDs and still get fast speeds, for example). Otherwise, most people on AM4 looking to improve gaming performance should go with a 5800X3d - it should retain good resell value as it will permanently remain best gaming related CPU for that plattform (while a 7800X3d will eventually be superceded on AM5), so that you will be able to get a good discount whenever you feel like an upgrade down the road. By waiting to make the plattform switch, you'll benefit from the improvements in DDR5 memory speeds (and newer gen motherboards to benefit from them) and newer Ryzen CPUs down the road.
Recently dropped a 5800x3d in my 2017 X370 board. Crazy to think that my previous build on intel had to be rebuilt entirely yet AMD has kept me going for 6 years
Ye like for real, im so jelly rn. My Mobo and CPU are dying rn and i need a new Build and i will def go to AMD now(AM5).. been watching how long they supported AM4, in relation to intel which had since 2018, two new CPU Sockets so you gotta build a whole new system every two year with Intel whilst on AMD you are safe for 4-6 years.
Sorry for commenting on this old Comment, but did it work? I had a x370 Crosshair VI Hero and it did not support the 5800x3d at all! Maybe it was the fault of the latest Bios update? Should I have downgraded? My PC went nuts after putting a 5800x3d in it, Ram didn't work anymore, PC needed 4x longer to start, pc was incredibly unstable, most of the time needed 3 tries to even boot at all without giving a full black screen! Got myself an X570-E Gaming from Asus and now everything is super Snappy and crisp, everything works! I only paid a total of 250€ for both aswell, so not a bad deal, considering a new Mobo on the AM5 would cost me 450€. I would have gotten anyways an X570 board for the PBO setting (Rn at -30 all cores), but it was still weird, or is my x370 board dead? The Ryzen 7 2700x ran flawless on it.
@@Alexdbre First time hearing something like this, are u sure u had the latest bios for the x370 ? Did u try other bios? I had a 5700x on a x470 but my motherboard had an issue where even from day one it couldn’t boot up in dual channel. So when I got an Rtx 4080 I sold it all and bought the 7800x3d and b650 works great. The 5700x worked really well with the 6800xt I had but to my shock when I paired it with the 7800x3d everything seemed so much smoother , higher minimums and less frame drops even though 5700x was good overall. I’m sure 5800x3d would be good too but didn’t wanna run in single channel mode with a 4080 lol
AM4 has been fantastic! I built my first PC in early 2018 with the R5 1600. As my sons grew older, we built them AM4 machines, and my upgrades filtered down to them. We now have 4 gaming PCs and one server running Ryzen, with my 5800X at the top. My sons still have lots of options to upgrade. Thanks for your good data!
I'm glad we finally have graphs with the Averages of the crucial 1% lows now as well. HUB never disappoints! Would be interested to see the 7700 and 7700x as well added to the charts, so that we can get all the top 8 core gaming powerhouses from Amd in 1 chart.
Indeed! I personally always limit the fps to slightly above the 1% lows. I only have a 100 Hz gsync monitor, so anything between 55-97 fps is fine and completely smooth without jumping around fps. I prefer to have locked in 55 fps than constant fluctuations between 55-75 fps.
3700X to 5800X3D was such an easy upgrade for me and I love it. I like the idea of getting the most bang-for-buck, especially in times where prices for hardware have risen so much.
If you are looking for the most bang-for-buck upgrade and you're already satisfied with the performance of the AMD Ryzen 7 5800X, it's a good choice to stick with it. Upgrading to the 5800X3D or waiting for future releases might not provide significant improvements that justify the cost, especially considering the current high prices of hardware.
I did this as well. And the state of gaming has left me in the positive position of having a huge backlog of current-gen games to play for a few years.
at 4k, it would be interesting to do a "for science" type test to see how "low" you can go as far as CPU is concerned. Like how far back can you go and still get playable performance at 4K. 1800X? 8700K? 6700K? 1600AF? 4790K?!?
@@Masoch1st not really. 4K data ia usually omitted from dedicated CPU reviews (also in HUB reviews except select titles) because it's largely useless due to GPU-bound scenarios, even on high-end cards like the 4090, perfectly illustrated in this video. Steve has explained this at length and that's precisely why it is kind of special to see 4K data in a CPU comparison.
@@jakacresnar5855 you wrote that entire thing to completely embarrass yourself. this is not a cpu review. its a comparison (which should you buy?) video, and literally every single one of these comparison videos shows resolutions and setups that people are likely to be playing at. They already reviewed these CPUs ages ago, so why tf would it make ANY sense to review them again? lmao. Go look up any this vs that in cpu/gpu and you will see multiple resolution samples.
I went from early adopting AM4 (R5 1600) and then going thru R5 2600 and R5 3600 up to R5 5600X, and topping it all off with R7 5800X3D, and I´m very pleased with this route, and I will stay on this for the forseeable future. Great content as always mate.
👍👍👍👍 nice bro. It must be a thrill to upgrade your system 4 times and breathe new life into your stuff. Honestly, if am5 future product life cycle is anything like their AM4 life cycle, then I am very tempted to get into AMD early.
Great video. I am getting a new system started and have been collecting the miscellaneous non specific parts like the case, power supply, drives, etc. I was at a crossroads of going AM4 or 5 with the x3d chips compared in this video. Cost is a factor to some degree. I ultimately decided on the AM4 path, as the issues around AM5 scare me. The jump in performance is not worth the extra cost or heartache for me. The 5800x3d offers great performance, reliability, and value. A winning combination in my book. I am still using a 7th gen i5 paired with a Radeon rx580 8gb that is still able to keep up with the games I play in August 2023, so although AM4 is old the 5800x3d, paired with a high end GPU will still be kicking out enough performance for many a year to come.
Thats right brother. thats why i just built my computer in Nov of last year with all AM4. 5800x3d with a Asus b 550m wifi motherboard. 7800XT red devil card. All works awesome.
5800X3D and 3080 Ti. I'm deciding if going 4090 (I run a 3440x1440p 21:9 monitor and it needs the oomph), but otherwise staying put for a decent while, for sure!
It's not very much in terms of performance expect whenever you have a full all core workload. the Ryzen 7 7700 can boost up to 5.3GHz, while the Ryzen 7 7700X boosts up to 5.4GHz. However, due to the difference in TDP, the lower power 65W Ryzen 7 7700 may not realistically boost as high when all cores are being used
@@mariuspuiu9555 On par ? Perhaps in 3D V-cache sensitive games, but everything else the 7700x is WAY ahead of the 5800x3d. Just look at Hardware Unboxed 12-game comparison, and 7700x sits up there near the top dog Intel I9 13900k. Also, emulation such as RPCS3, 7700x has AVX512, and is one of the best CPUs for emulation, in it's price range.
It would be interesting for sure to compare the performance of a 7700, but I would go down to the 7600 which costs significantly less and it might turn out to be the best value
It's by far the better value. 5600 non-x is still better value though, but no future upgrades possible. I made a whole excel sheet with all 5000,7000, 12th + 13th gen CPUs before buying the 7600X.
@@Damir_Turk you always have to be careful with such statements. It's correct when looking at the situation but not technically. It's not that the cpu won't deliver higher fps at 4k ultra, it's just that the gpu can't keep up anymore. Especially the cpu hiccups 1% and 0.1% lows are probably still relevant. And once you upgrade to a newer/better gpu, you might instantly hit the cpu limit.
@@Habixus i know it will hit cpu limit cuz im gonna switch to a 7900 xtx but for me 7600 non x will be fine till much better cpu come down the line and is much better upgrade from my 5600x. my only problem is this new am5 boards are not so stable with ram memory and boot times are still high compared to my current setup
I used the 3700x on a cheap asus b450 gaming motherboard for a few years and just recently upgraded to a 5800X3D and noticed huge fps gains. I'm very happy with AMD
I'm about to buy the 5800x3d to retire my 5600x. Probably not the best gains but i need that CPU on another machine AND i'm looking forward to reducing the bottleneck on my 6800xt, i'm excited.
Yepppppp... lol I get more FPS playing World of Warcraft with my 2nd gaming PC with 5800X and Radeon VII from 2019 with 200 FPS vs my 3700X with 7900XTX sapphire nitro at 120 FPS ROFLMAO.... im waiting few more months to upgrade to 7800X3D on new platform.
Had been running a 3600 with a MEG Unify X570. Obviously an entry tier Ryzen with a top-spec motherboard - which I bought as I needed those PCI-E slots (have a 10GB SFP+ NIC, and SAS card for attached 16 Bay DAS). So I had two options, either jump up to ZEN4, or actually help the beastly MEG Unify realise its full potential. So I decided to grab the 5800X3D for $480AUD, and spend the rest getting a PS5, and a 6700XT to replace my aging 1080. Couldn't be happier all round. I was an early adopter of the first Ryzen, so am happy to wait for Ryzen 8000.
DDR5, when properly tuned for timings vs, frequency, has *_REALLY_* made a difference in 1%/0.1% low framerates -- which to me is the *_most important thing._*
I upgraded to a 7800X3D 3 weeks ago from an 11600k system with 32GB B-die. Tested two Corsair 48GB kits 7000Mhz + 6400Mhz XMP, a 32GB kit of Corsair 5200Mhz and finally a 64GB kit of Kingston 5600Mhz. I was searching for Hynix chips and the Kingstons came with them. The difference between tuned Micron chips (CL36 with tighter seconds) vs tuned Hynix (CL30 + buildzoid + extra tuning) is pretty obvious. War Thunder minimums on Movie preset @ 1440p went from about 295/300 to 325/330ish. Unfortunately I didn't record the 0.1% lows :(
Using a 7600x since December 2022, I had the issue with bugged sleep mode when using ram at 5600 or higher. So I manually put in 5400 CL30 with igor's "slightly tuned sweetspot" timings. 1% lows were a lot higher than 5600 CL36 xmp/expo and I'm still using it with IF synced at 1800. The bug apparently isn't a thing anymore, but the power consumption is quite a bit lower this way and the fps are more than awesome.
nah. it's overpriced and has bad temperatures even with aio and only worth it if you're playing strategy/mmorpg games. for everything else the 5600 is waaay better price-to-performance wise
It's great to see the 5800x3D hold up very well. I'd like to see more comparisons for these using building style simulator games like Planet Coaster, Dyson Sphere Program etc. I used to get 60-70 fps on Planet Coaster with the R9 3900x and upgrading to the R7 5800x3D took it up to 140-150 fps which was amazing and it'd be great to see what whether those kind of games would benefit even more from the R7 7800x3D or not.
I'd love to see a comparison between the 7700 and the 5800x3d. When I planned my upgrade, it was recommended I do the whole platform and not just add the 5800x3d to my old rig. I'm curious whet the difference really would have been. I know my old setup would be different than your test system but a vague idea would be nice :)
Ive done the same but to the 5700x, with the 3070.. thinking of passing it on to my son who wants a pc and upgrading to maybe the AM5 chipset, but its expansive.
Actually the CPU I would like to see the most is the R5 7600, too me this is the sweet spot currently for AM5 gaming and I am more likely to upgrade this CPU "in the future" hopefully with some later AM5 X3d (essentially AM5 mirroring AM4) in a couple years time. Either way, informative video and it's a no brainer for me , AM5 all the way
There's just no reason to go current-gen AMD for gaming if you aren't using the X3D SKUs. The 13600k's existence in the midrange makes all of the non-X3D CPUs irrelevant.
@@CyberneticArgumentCreator I hear what your saying, in a perfect world we would all have 4090's and 7800x3d's. However, the VAST majority of gamers don't have $2700 Canadian for two components ONLY. $600 for a 7800x3d isn't an insignificant price vs a $300 r5 7600.
@@CyberneticArgumentCreator am5 is still going to be supported for the future while 13th gen is the last in its socket so it would make sense to invest into am5
5800x3D and 3080ti user here. GPU upgrade will definitely be happening before a CPU upgrade for me! The question is, 4080 or 7900XTX? Decisions to be made!
If you play VR go with the 4080. Google VR performance & the 7900xtx. The driver's were so bad I couldn't even use my VR headset "Reverb G2".Bought a 4090 & problem solved. I then upgraded to the 7800X3D from the Intel 17 10700k & nothing but problems.
I was a 58000X3D / 3080ti user myself but just upgraded to a 4080 for 3440 x 1440. Big improvement but I hear the 7900XTX can get better raster performance at the expense of worse ray tracing performance. DLSS3 though has been a life saver in Plague Tale: Requiem as I'm mostly seeing around 120fps (my systemwide lock) with it on and still looks great.
It's probably going to be a lot of work so it's understandable if you won't consider it, but I think it would be great to benchmark at least one R7 and I7 from every gen from original Zen to 7800X3D to see the improvements on both sides.
From 6th gen to 10th intel used the same core design, same IPC, just higher clocks, so I don't imagine there is going to be much difference between skylake, and overclocked skylake with more cores, apart from games that use the extra cores.
Beginning of the year I switched the 5800x3d into my 2018 b450 motherboard and I am really happy with it (paired with a 4070ti). The only game I regularly run into a CPU bottleneck situation with is MS Flight Simulator, where FPS can easily go into the 20s. That's why I suggest this game to be in the testing suite. It can crush any CPU.
Yeah, i'm a bit disappointed they don't use MSFS for benchmarks. They could use one of the addon replay tools, do a quick flight around LAX, and use the replay as the benchmark test.
Great video. I would love if the same comparison was done with the 7900 XT or 7900 XTX, as not only are those GPU's way affordable than a 4090 and therefore relevant for more people when considering real world builds. Plus it would also allow for some comparing on where the CPU bottleneck comes into play, since with supposedly Nvidia drivers being more CPU heavy there could be interesting differences.
The driver CPU overhead discussion is interesting, but with just the 4090 data you can do some quick math to get ballpark answers to your other questions. When paired with the 4090, the 5800X3D is 84% of the performance of the 7800X3D at 1080p and 89% of the performance at 1440p according to this video. So in theory at 1080p the 5800X3D is perfectly fine with any GPU that's capable of up to 84% of the 4090's performance, and any GPU that's capable of up to 89% 4090 performance at 1440p. The 7900 XTX and 4080 Super are around 81-82% of the performance of the 4090 (TechPowerUp GPU database), so they should be perfect pairings with the 5800X3D at 1080p while at 1440p you still have some headroom for a slightly better GPU. Of course all of this flies out the window if you only play Hogwarts Legacy and CS2, but that's the nature of averages lol
bought a 5800x3d a few weeks ago and upgraded from my r7 1700 massive upgrade for under 300 bucks and just put it in my 85 bucks cheap b350 motherboard and works fine
YES!! I needed this video really hard. Yesterday was struggling to find a great comparison between these two monsters. Personally I think that the 5800x3d is the way to go if you don't want to struggle with voltages or if you plan to skip this 7000 Gen.
Here's the thing: even if you skip this 7000-gen, guess what? 9000 and 11000 are going to still be on AM5. Also, there is no voltage struggle. It's a huge waste of money to throw $300 at a single component in a dead chassis. Because it's just going to lose value, and by the time 9000-series is out, your $300 CPU+ AM4 board will now be worth less than what the CPU is worth.
@@rustler08 They're referring to AM5 boards (especially ASUS) misregulating SoC voltage and so being able to permanently damage 7000-gen CPU's and sockets. AMD had to issue firmware updates to limit SoC voltage to 1.3V. Makes sense to wait for problems AM5 platform has to be resolved.
@@rustler08 it's definitely not a waste of money if you have a zen 2 or older already. But I wouldn't build new with 5800x3d, unless of course you can snag a $50 mobo and get a good deal on ram as well.
Yes, please include the 7700. But also, can you do the same test with RX 7900 XTX to compare the GPU driver overhead difference on these CPUs vs RTX 4090? Obviously the 4090 will wipe the floor with the AMD card in GPU bound scenarios but it would be interesting imo, how it does in CPU limited scenarios. Will it make the gap between the CPU smaller or will it benefit the 7800X3D even more?
Agreed and the premium of 4090 is hardly worth it, unless money isn't a problem. Even just having the data set of the titles with the biggest CPU performance differences would give an interesting insight to the matter.
Thanks for testing 4K, even though the lower resolutions are a good indicator of future hardware/older game fps, 4K results still help with whether or not a CPU upgrade is currently beneficial.
Another vote for the same test with an RX 7900 GPU! Understanding the relationship of cost to FPS between Nvidia and AMD GPUs would be extremely helpful. Great content!
Crazy left field suggestion; what about a previous high refresh gaming champion like the i9 9900K? It would be interesting to see how far we've progressed in 5 years.
I upgraded from i9 9900k to 7950X3D at 1440p with an RTX 3080. It was a massive upgrade. Hogwarts Legacy went from 80ish to 140ish FPS. Satisfactory went from 22FPS to 85FPS. CSGO went from 300ish to 600-700ish FPS.
@@Fidelius1992 you'd be surprised how far behind in the past those tired skylake cores are. The 9900K was great 5 years ago, that's a LONG time in tech.
@@Fidelius1992 people forget 9900k was a zen 2 competitor in gaming i guess and yes skylake cores are dated as hell plus suck a ton of power compared to even a 5800x3d that is how much CPU's have improved to the point where yes 7th gen will be playable but will suck power and look hideous
I have both: 5800X3D + 3080ti and 7800X3D+6950xt. Both directdie cooled using large open loops. Both GPUs power unlimited. I also have a dellided 7700x I swap in the AM5 build at times. With all 3 CO tuned, OCd, and with tight tuned RAM my impressions: Personally I think the 7700x is the best balance of performance between gaming/productivity. As for price, using good parts a 7700x system costs about the same as a good 5800x3d system since hynixA DDR5 is downtrending and Bdie DDR4 is uptrending. 7700x basically matches 5800x3d in gaming and smashes both x3Ds outside gaming. Anyone on a less than 4090 but more than 1080p should consider the 7700x instead of X3D, since the GPU will limit earlier, leaving the 7800X3D gains unrealized. 7700X is easiest to get real performance gains from OCing, 5800X3D being next easiest and 7800X3D being the most finicky to OC due to VFTP table being ultra conservative. All said and done, my respective OC gains were 11%, 9%, 8% while maintaining full "any use" stability. 7700 instead of 7700x makes financial sense, but will be the slowest octocore for gaming of the 4.
I also have a 5800X3D and right now for me, at 1440P and 165Hz, my RX 6800XT is the bottleneck. So theoretically if I upgraded to a 7800X3D, I would only see miniscule gains
A great review that I wish I had waited for before making an upgrade decision HOWEVER.. One area I am now heavily focusing on is the power-to-output delivery, prices of electricity being as it is so I would have REALLY appreciated a measure of energy used to run these games included in the stats, both how much is being drawn at the power socket and how much the CPUs are using at each resolution. Thought of the day - the brain only uses 20W to run your body! Thanks for the content
@@haukikannel Untrue, every consumer CPU in existence bottlenecks the 4090. CPU power directly translates to FPS if you have a 4090, you want every ounce.
Would be nice to see the same conparison but with prev high end gen gpus, like 3080 and 3090. The majority of customers, wont upgrade to rtx 4000 cause of horrible prices, so would be nice to see how the 5800x3d stand against the 7800x3d with less powerful gpus! And as always, amazing work! Thank you!
This makes sense, I was thinking of the 5800x3d as a drop-in upgrade for my hybrid workstation/gaming machine and its current 3600 - and delay a full transition to AM5 for a while
I'd be curious to know at what point does the difference between the two go to nothing when you go down the stack. I.e. can we conclude that it's a nice boost at times with the 4090 but with the 4070 ti they're the same?
Not if you reduce settings. a 4070Ti with reduced settings would be similar to 4090 on ultra settings. Most people have a target FPS in their mind, specific to the game. If they don't reach that target, they lower settings. Some people might be happy with 60 FPS, others want 100. Chances are if you play with a 4070 Ti reduced settings, if you get a 4090, you will just turn settings up and aim for a minimum of similar FPS. Thats why CPU testing is done with an overkill GPU so you can judge yourself how those numbers apply to your usecase.
i was on the fence with a 3700X for a while. I thought I was holding out for the 7800X3D but once the 7950X3D reviews came out I bought a 5800X3D and have been perfectly happy since. Yeah, it's not the fastest gaming CPU on the market, but it's still in the top ten and that more than good enough for me until we see the next generation of CPU's and platforms.
Thanks for the shoutout to the 7700 non-X at the end! I just built my new PC a couple weeks ago, finally moving up from my 6-year old i7-6700/Radeon RX 480 PC, and I knew I needed an AM5 PC to better future-proof my new machine for at least the next 5 years - But at the same time I didn't see buying 7800X3D, and a more expensive PCU to support it, plus a separate cooler, to be worth the added $200-$300 expense. So I went with the Ryzen 7 7700 paired with an RX 7900XT, so that I get the benefits of AM5 at a lower cost, _plus_ I have a solid and cheaper upgrade path with future AM5 CPU's!
I would be interested in the *7600 non-x version* but tuned/adjusted, (quick and dirty tuning is fine too, to save time for you). Because it's price to much closer(cheaper) to the 5800X3D and the *tuned 7600* represent what and avarege Hub user would do, so I imagine.
I did consider upgrading to AM5 but the 5800X3D was only £260 from Amazon and is a drop-in upgrade from my 5600G, which is going to live on in a cheap second hand B450i and paired with a 3060Ti. The X3D will partner my 3090 FE on a B550i board. I really can't see any point in upgrading anything else for at least a year or two.
Exactly, I recently bought a second hand 5800x3d + mobo for 400€ and coming from a i7 8086k....it is such a beast, I can comfortably wait for AM6 at this point lol
I upgraded from i5-6600k to second-hand B450M with R5 3600X for a while and now switched to 5800X3D for RTS games I'll wait for Ryzen 8000 series and hopefully they'll reduce the IHS thickness but if not, yeah, AM6
I think quite a few of us would be very interested in seeing VR performance between these two CPUs. Index, G2, and Aero are all headsets that would be valid to test with.
It would be nice to see something like WoW in these CPU test. Still semi high playerbase, fps issues, and almost no test online. I'm sure people would upgrade more often if they had this info. Heavy CPU usage on small amount of cores and very often the CPU is the bottleneck. My last 5800X3D upgrade from 3700X almost doubled the framerate in the main city + raids. Would be nice to know info about other (maybe older) massive games that are having similar FPS issues, but no test anywhere.
SWTOR runs much more stable and high FPS and ESO pretty much never drops below the 100FPS limit anymore, coming from an 3700X too (RTX3080 12GB @ QHD). Dunno with WoW (never played it), but i can imagine that its profiting heavily from the cache and higher IPC as well.
@@GewelReal Yeah, I have heard this, but sadly haven't seen any wide scale tests to showcase these games with new X3D CPUs. Just other people experiments with two CPUs or similar. It's way more work to test MMO's, because testers have to know what are the main issues for FPS drops + create these scenarios like 30 man raids and high population cities. Simple single player leveling CPU test wouldn't show how well these can scale vs other CPUs.
I am switching from the R5 3600 to the R7 5800x3d and its nice to see how the 5800x3d compares to even the 7800x3d is some of the games I play. Thank you.
Thankyou for this. Looking at purchasing a new rig based on the 7800x3d before tax time. This was the final push i needed to help me decide to spend the extra $$ on am5
@@CESAR_H_ARIAS You did see the video right? Even at 1440p, there was a 20% boost in a lot of games. And a 4090 at ultra settings might be just as CPU bottlenecked as a 4070 at medium settings. I play at 1440p with a RTX 3080, and I found the Zen 4 upgrade was really good and provided meaningful improvements in game.
Great vid and info like always. Interested in a 5900x comparison since it was also a great gaming processor before the 5800x3d and where it ranks between them.
I know it's not a standard testing game, but escape from tarkov heavily benefits from the X3D lineup. It would be cool to see the performance difference between the two on it.
You may consider putting the little siblings, 7600 on the charts along with the 7700 to to see the differences with the 5800X3D. Power consumption numbers would be interesting to see too if you're up to measure them, Steve. 😁
Hey Steve! This would probably be a niche video but could you do a single video comparing odd ball resolutions to the standards tested? I play at 3440x1440p so I know my fps would slot between 1440p and 4K but I’m wondering how far that scale tips in either direction.
I really wish you guys would do ultrawide tests in the future. I know it’s a small and still niche resolution but it’s supported in almost every title and it’s becoming ever more popular these days.
Performance for ultra wide will typically be between 1440p and 4k. I don't see much value in adding that testing, especially considering all the additional testing involved.
@@Toasty27-q6w For sure, that's usually how I get an idea but it would be nice to see actual numbers and what they are getting rather than guesstimating on every title is all.
Love the video, this is an incredible amount of work. Would like to see DLSS on GPU limited tests to see where the CPU cap is with 4k Ray Tracing on things like Cyberpunk and Hogwarts but I'm still extremely happy with everything you showed in this video. Amazing work
Yeah I would also like to see dlss. I use dlss 2 in every game I play because it often looks sharper and don’t mind the minimal artifacting from time to time. I have a 3440x1440p screen and DLSS Quality makes it render at 1080p Ultrawide. I upgraded to the 7800x3d from a 5800x (non 3d) paired with a RTX 3080 and with RT and CPU heavy game I’ve seen some wild gains. Cyberpunk for example with RT Reflections and DLSS Quality went from 50-65fps to 75-90fps. In the last of us there are a few cpu demanding areas where I dipped below 60 or around 65 with rough input lag because gpu usage dropped. With 7800x3d those areas now give me 85-90fps and less stuttering which is a huge improvement in smoothness.
Yes, I would be very interested in seeing the 7700 vs the 5800X3D. I currently have a 5600x and I have been trying to talk myself out of the 5800X3D, but it's getting harder and harder...
It’s worth it if you have the means. I went from a 5600x to a 5800x3D and the minimum 1% gains alone was a game changer for me as the games I primarily play(Paradox Games & Tarkov) greatly improved the experience.
The HyperX Cloud IIs are still my favorite pair of headphones. I bought the pink/white version. They are still the most comfortable headset I've ever worn. That leatherette is special. The USB dongle that adds 7.1 is also very cool. I loved AM4 journey. Went from 2600X to 5600X and haven't regretted a thing. Still a monstrous platform that I used to build my son's and wife's PC. I hope AMD treats AM4 the same way.
I recently upgraded to the 5800x3d from a 3900x and it made a huge difference for when playing CS2. Went from 100fps to 280fps (average) with a 2080 rtx.
Thanks for adding RT to your CPU tests. I know for a while everyone was ignoring RT tests for CPUs because it's such a GPU intensive process, but I think this clearly shows that RT can pretty heavily load the CPU as well.
My recent wonder is would a move from a 5900x to a 5800x3D for games make any sense? I could move the 5900x to another board, so I would not sell it, but for gaming would it make much difference coupled with my 3070 (grr, 8GB)?
i had a 3700x and i upgraded to 5800x3D. I wasn't expecting it but my gpu was bottlenecked (and i figured out my gpu is now overheating lol) but it was definitly worth upgrading.. 3700x was a great value at the time but it didn't keep up with rtx3000 gpus... i can't give you values because in world of warcraft i doubled my framerate (wich is why i was upgrading) and in other games like forza it's like 5 more fps. In assetto it's also way better now.
@@nocompromesso well, we can found 5800x for 120$ on second hand market and rtx 3080 for 400$ and with 1-2year warranty, second hand market componement price make crazy drops since 2 weeks, it's good for all buyers
@@Blafard666 well than it should be straight forward to add them to the dataset. I'm simply responding to "If there's some comparisons that you'd like to see than let me know in the comments"
About the 4k results, keep in mind that this is running with native resolutions. If using upscaling of any sorts (FSR, DLSS, etc), I imagine that the 7800X3D would show more differences when compared to the 5800X3D given the lower resolution benefits more from the the new architecture and platform. In the end, what I mean is, on paper, 4k seems very similar or the same, but in a more real world scenario using upscalers would render a different result for 4k.
Essentially you are arguing that if you use a lower resolution,upscaling would have different results, which is expected given the lower resolution results. I just do t get the point your making, using a lower resolution will give better 4K upscale results, which is obvious.
@@robertt9342 the point I am trying to make is that the tests Steve covered don’t showcase results for any upscaling, which, in theory, would benefit the 7800x3d giving the resolution before upscaling is lower. 4K upscaled results would be not as close as the 4K native results.
My son upgraded to the 5800x3d from the 1600. Night and day difference. He loves it! He did end up getting a new MB so he could transform his old system into a server running a vpn and other stuff.
I would love to see the 7700x thrown into the mix. Along with the 5800x. It would also be interesting to see and older chip like the 3600. Upgrading to a 5800x3d vs building new.
Great video again Steve, I understand why you use the 4090 and that you want to remove the GPU as the bottleneck. But, with 4090 costing around £1600 it's not a GPU that i can really justify purchasing. I would love to see the difference in performance when paired up with either the 7900xt or 4070ti to see if the performance is much closer. Cheers
1050ti,1080,2070 etc all then merit testing by that logic, which is not feasible. you have to use your context and some interpretation to understand what the worst-case scenario means to your situation.
You can (kinda) extrapolate the data to find out the difference. All you need is a review of the RX 6700 XT while GPU Limited, and check if the average and 1% lows are higher than 5800X3D’s result. If not, then both CPUs will have essentially the same performance.
I think if we saw the data for the 3d chips paired with a 6700 xt, most graphs would be GPU limited. I think it would actually be misleading, leaving viewers feeling like the 7800x3d offers only 1 or 2 percent improvement instead of 15-20%.
As someone who does not have an AM4 Mobo, I have plans to run the 7800 X3D for my coming full replacement, despite the fact that I'm aiming for 1440p without having a top-end GPU like what is used for this test bench. The idea in my situation would be, all future events working out for it, to be able to run a setup with a ton of CPU overhead in the meantime, run (probably) a 7600 XT despite it likely being a bottleneck, but in ~two generations I'll be able to slap in a far more performative "mid-range" GPU which will take advantage of the 7800X3D's full performance. That setup will likely perform close or at the expected performance jump you'd be looking for between two systems built that far apart. Even with normalized and thus lower-speed RAM you can see the capability for this to outperform the 5800 X3D by 10-20% when properly CPU bound. Some high-clock DDR5 and the driver optimizations that should come out in the future should put it far enough ahead of that statistic to live up to the performance needed to keep running it for what would normally be outside of a chip's typical life/upgrade cycle. Presuming that nothing overly expensive dies or explodes, the few hundred dollars i overspend spend now without could save me $2000 on my next future build (or whatever the hyper-inflation equivalent of that will be two generations from now).
I'm still on the r5 5600x and see no reason to upgrade, it still delivers amazing performance in games. Especially since I mainly play 3+ year old games at 1080p. If i do decide to upgrade, the 5800x3d will be my choice.
Thank you Steve, again a high quality test and analysis. What I personally would like to see next, the 5700X vs. 7700 testing, because, with the current video, the picture would be complete. See You again next time. 👍
build a system in 2017 with a x370 motherboard (corsair hero 6) with 1800x and a 1070 (750W psu) Just upgraded from 1800x ---> 5800x3d, 1070 --> 7900 xt and 16 --> 32 Gb 3200 memory All thanks to the AM4 platform. Very pleased! Can surely run this system 5 more years now
This comparison comes at the right time, because I was wondering about this exact question. I'm building a small PC for the living room that will also be for light gaming.
Thank you for confirming my thoughs. I was tempted to upgrade from 5800X3D to 7800X3D, but I game at 4K120Hz (4090 on C1 OLED) and it's simply not enough of an upgrade for the money and hassle.
I did not expect the 7800 to be that much better than the 5800 based on the launch reviews. The picture that seemed to be painted by the sum total of reviewers upon the new generation was something along the lines of "faster yeah, but nothing to get super excited about". Really shows the value of the direct head-to-head. That said, it's all academic for me, bought 5600x at $300 basically RIGHT before that started decreasing, and not planning on replacing it any time soon. Probably will pick up a 5800x3d for the simple drop-in upgrade in a few years when theoretically those are super cheap.
Currently have the 7800X3D with a 4090FE in my ITX setup. Happy with the performance and low power consumption, as long as it does not blow up like rumored. Also like the idea of possibly upgrading to a 9800X3D or whatever's the greatest when AM5 is reaching it's end of cycle.
Are the parts other than the cpu and gpu going to cost a lot compared to a normal full size build? Also, what parts are you using and what about their availability?
Going from the 2600 to the 5800X3D was such a great upgrade, cannot stress how much it improved smoothness with far less 1% lows and clearly how much the extra L3 cache helped my performance, especially as someone who multitasks a bunch too with the added threads with discord, browsers etc. etc. or my software development work.
Leave pc gaming it's the end only cloud gaming is our future not pc or gpus . Consumer market will end. No laptops no hardware No consoles only cloud pc , cloud gaming, and phone's are our future.
The AM4 platform has been incredible! I went from a Ryzen 5 3600 to a 9 5900x with a 6700xt gpu and the same CL16 16gig ddr4 kit. Last week I bit the bullet and upgraded to a 7900xtx with the 7800x3d and 32gigs of ddr5 / b650mb. Let's just say the leap was incredible! I play fps such as Call of duty MW2 and Battlefield 2042. The mw2 ingame benchmark doesn't do this setup justice! When playing the game the 1% lows are so good, no stuttering on 1440p ultra with no upscaling. The game literally feels faster and the experience is a new level!!
The Ryzen AM4 platform was just a great journey for me. Started on the 1600, then the 3600, and finally the 5800X3D, all with the same B350 motherboard. I don't see myself upgrading any time soon as the 5800X3D can perfectly keep up with my 3070 for 1440p.
Sounds awesome I’m planning on purchasing a 3070 once I find the right price. Is the 3070 a great fit for your system? Would there be any limitations? I’ve got a similar build and want to upgrade the GPU.
I am still on my 1600, pretty much no reason to upgrade if you are on 1440p or higher and you dont have the latest and/or best GPU
Was fully on board with Ryzen started with a 1400X, 2600X, 3700X and now a 5800X all on the same Asus X370 ROG Gaming-F motherboard That thing will keep you company for a while and if you plan to ever upgrade your GPU it should be OK all the way to an RTX4080 or an RX7900XTX and that is pushing it as it's best partner would likely be an RTX4070ti or an RX7900.
I'm also on 1600 (non-af) and I'll for sure upgrade to 8c. 5800X3D is still to pricey in my country so I'm thinking also on 5700x/5800x
@@nano60 trust me dont go with 8gb vram its so bad on 2k unless ur welling to lower some texture from ultra to high i sold my 3070 ti and went for the 3080 ti if u want to buy something around that price i prefer u go with amd 6750xt/6800/6800xt are much better with more vram also helps if u have more than 1 monitor
and btw my 3800x could handle the 3070ti easily 5800x3d much better with higher than 3070ti also the lows will be way better on it
I’ve actually been surprised at the volume the 5800X3D was/is produced. Still being available is impressive as well. That CPU really is a gift to the AM4 platform.
@@gags730 Same here. In late 2019 bought 3600, Zen 3 was not released but on horizon. Then C19 and shortages. Now the same PC is running 58X3D and 6950XT.
I’ve got a 2600x now, and that 5800x3d is looking pretty tempting to me.
Been using 5800X3D for over a year now and still running like a champ. And since, IMO, make little sense to upgrade for Zen 4 3D V-Cache. I'll wait for Zen 5 3D V-Cache version instead.
@@gags730 I like this alot. If you are happy with what you have and it suits your needs, why change a thing!
@@alchemystn2o Of course it would, still one of the best gaming CPUs so no reason for it to feel insufficient
I have never had the fps stability that I get from the 5800X3D. It works amazing with my 4080 for running games at 3440x1440
If you are currently satisfied with the performance of the AMD Ryzen 7 5800X, it might be more beneficial for you to wait for future releases, such as Zen 4 processors, to see if they offer any significant improvements over the existing options.
got any cpu comparisons? 5600x /3090 here and debating which cpu to upgrade to. giving my 5600x away and trying to decide if staying with am4.
@@jeremytine IMO upgrading the plattform should only be done once you need something other than the CPU (more M2 slots or more higher speed PCIe lanes so you can add way more SSDs and still get fast speeds, for example).
Otherwise, most people on AM4 looking to improve gaming performance should go with a 5800X3d - it should retain good resell value as it will permanently remain best gaming related CPU for that plattform (while a 7800X3d will eventually be superceded on AM5), so that you will be able to get a good discount whenever you feel like an upgrade down the road.
By waiting to make the plattform switch, you'll benefit from the improvements in DDR5 memory speeds (and newer gen motherboards to benefit from them) and newer Ryzen CPUs down the road.
@@adriankoch964 thanks but I don't need help in decision making, I'm just looking for specific data.
That’s the exact thing I was hoping for! I also have an ultra wide and 4080 but just a 5600x
Recently dropped a 5800x3d in my 2017 X370 board. Crazy to think that my previous build on intel had to be rebuilt entirely yet AMD has kept me going for 6 years
Ye like for real, im so jelly rn. My Mobo and CPU are dying rn and i need a new Build and i will def go to AMD now(AM5).. been watching how long they supported AM4, in relation to intel which had since 2018, two new CPU Sockets so you gotta build a whole new system every two year with Intel whilst on AMD you are safe for 4-6 years.
Yes, however if you bought an i99900 you wouldn't of needed to upgrade in this time and have a top tier CPU for all this time.
@@_TheElMan 9900k is at 3700x level. 5800x3D is slightly faster than 12900k
Sorry for commenting on this old Comment, but did it work? I had a x370 Crosshair VI Hero and it did not support the 5800x3d at all! Maybe it was the fault of the latest Bios update? Should I have downgraded? My PC went nuts after putting a 5800x3d in it, Ram didn't work anymore, PC needed 4x longer to start, pc was incredibly unstable, most of the time needed 3 tries to even boot at all without giving a full black screen! Got myself an X570-E Gaming from Asus and now everything is super Snappy and crisp, everything works! I only paid a total of 250€ for both aswell, so not a bad deal, considering a new Mobo on the AM5 would cost me 450€. I would have gotten anyways an X570 board for the PBO setting (Rn at -30 all cores), but it was still weird, or is my x370 board dead? The Ryzen 7 2700x ran flawless on it.
@@Alexdbre First time hearing something like this, are u sure u had the latest bios for the x370 ? Did u try other bios? I had a 5700x on a x470 but my motherboard had an issue where even from day one it couldn’t boot up in dual channel. So when I got an Rtx 4080 I sold it all and bought the 7800x3d and b650 works great. The 5700x worked really well with the 6800xt I had but to my shock when I paired it with the 7800x3d everything seemed so much smoother , higher minimums and less frame drops even though 5700x was good overall. I’m sure 5800x3d would be good too but didn’t wanna run in single channel mode with a 4080 lol
AM4 has been fantastic! I built my first PC in early 2018 with the R5 1600. As my sons grew older, we built them AM4 machines, and my upgrades filtered down to them. We now have 4 gaming PCs and one server running Ryzen, with my 5800X at the top. My sons still have lots of options to upgrade. Thanks for your good data!
gtx 4090 is gpu limited at 4k, that is insane
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agreed starting from Ryzen 1600 through 2700X ending on 5800X. I was using on this platform GTX1060, RTX2080Ti and RX6950XT
Still can't find any reason to upgrade my 5800X3D & 4090 at 120Hz 4k gaming and 115 FPS limit! I'll wait until AM6 and DDR6👍🏻
@@peepocozy8594only at that time! Nowadays we get more and more demanding games that forces the 4090 down!
I'm glad we finally have graphs with the Averages of the crucial 1% lows now as well. HUB never disappoints! Would be interested to see the 7700 and 7700x as well added to the charts, so that we can get all the top 8 core gaming powerhouses from Amd in 1 chart.
Indeed! I personally always limit the fps to slightly above the 1% lows. I only have a 100 Hz gsync monitor, so anything between 55-97 fps is fine and completely smooth without jumping around fps.
I prefer to have locked in 55 fps than constant fluctuations between 55-75 fps.
0.1% lows for me are the key.
Agreed. The 7700 seems like the best power to performance cpu but some comparisons would be nice
Comparing 1% low & seeing 0.1% is the way. Who enjoys a stutter?
Hahaha ultra settings in eSport games hahahaha
3700X to 5800X3D was such an easy upgrade for me and I love it. I like the idea of getting the most bang-for-buck, especially in times where prices for hardware have risen so much.
thats what I have! Awesome upgrade!
If you are looking for the most bang-for-buck upgrade and you're already satisfied with the performance of the AMD Ryzen 7 5800X, it's a good choice to stick with it. Upgrading to the 5800X3D or waiting for future releases might not provide significant improvements that justify the cost, especially considering the current high prices of hardware.
I did this as well. And the state of gaming has left me in the positive position of having a huge backlog of current-gen games to play for a few years.
i went from 1700 in 2017 to 7800x3d in 2023, jump is huge xD
I did the exactly the same upgrade, also changing to 64GB of slower ECC DRAM as I also do a lot of dev work, performance is great.
Thank you Steve for including 1440p and 4k. It’s really nice to see what the differences are as graphic load increases
at 4k, it would be interesting to do a "for science" type test to see how "low" you can go as far as CPU is concerned. Like how far back can you go and still get playable performance at 4K. 1800X? 8700K? 6700K? 1600AF? 4790K?!?
Literally everyone does this lol
@@Masoch1st not really. 4K data ia usually omitted from dedicated CPU reviews (also in HUB reviews except select titles) because it's largely useless due to GPU-bound scenarios, even on high-end cards like the 4090, perfectly illustrated in this video.
Steve has explained this at length and that's precisely why it is kind of special to see 4K data in a CPU comparison.
@@jakacresnar5855 this....isnt...a...dedicated...cpu....review
@@jakacresnar5855 you wrote that entire thing to completely embarrass yourself. this is not a cpu review. its a comparison (which should you buy?) video, and literally every single one of these comparison videos shows resolutions and setups that people are likely to be playing at. They already reviewed these CPUs ages ago, so why tf would it make ANY sense to review them again? lmao. Go look up any this vs that in cpu/gpu and you will see multiple resolution samples.
I went from early adopting AM4 (R5 1600) and then going thru R5 2600 and R5 3600 up to R5 5600X, and topping it all off with R7 5800X3D, and I´m very pleased with this route, and I will stay on this for the forseeable future. Great content as always mate.
Thats so stupid upgrading every year aint worth it. Why would you buy 5800x non 3D
@@DoubleAAce Well those R5:s was sold and given to other needing in and around my family, so I didn´t care. And I wrote wrong it is a X3D ;) :)
@@MrBoombast64 oh ok that makes a lot more sense
👍👍👍👍 nice bro. It must be a thrill to upgrade your system 4 times and breathe new life into your stuff. Honestly, if am5 future product life cycle is anything like their AM4 life cycle, then I am very tempted to get into AMD early.
Was that all with the same motherboard? If so which one?
Great video. I am getting a new system started and have been collecting the miscellaneous non specific parts like the case, power supply, drives, etc. I was at a crossroads of going AM4 or 5 with the x3d chips compared in this video. Cost is a factor to some degree. I ultimately decided on the AM4 path, as the issues around AM5 scare me. The jump in performance is not worth the extra cost or heartache for me. The 5800x3d offers great performance, reliability, and value. A winning combination in my book.
I am still using a 7th gen i5 paired with a Radeon rx580 8gb that is still able to keep up with the games I play in August 2023, so although AM4 is old the 5800x3d, paired with a high end GPU will still be kicking out enough performance for many a year to come.
Thats right brother. thats why i just built my computer in Nov of last year with all AM4. 5800x3d with a Asus b 550m wifi motherboard. 7800XT red devil card. All works awesome.
Currently running a 5800x3d and a 6900xt, hoping it will remain relevant till am6. Thanks for ur hard work HUB crew
5800X3D and RTX 3080, I think my CPU will outlive the GPU.....
I got a 6800 XT and want to get the 5800x3D with the same goal soon :) AMDs Pascal moment?
thats a good line up, i think you will be fine for a long time!
5800X3D and 3080 Ti. I'm deciding if going 4090 (I run a 3440x1440p 21:9 monitor and it needs the oomph), but otherwise staying put for a decent while, for sure!
5800x3d with 4070 and im happy because i only changed from 3600 and 1060 and my pc feel way more better in esport games
Would love to see comparisons to both the 7700 and possibly X variants around the same price point
about on par with the 5800x3d.
at least in Denmark, the 7900 & 7900X are the same price as the 7800X3D
It's not very much in terms of performance expect whenever you have a full all core workload. the Ryzen 7 7700 can boost up to 5.3GHz, while the Ryzen 7 7700X boosts up to 5.4GHz. However, due to the difference in TDP, the lower power 65W Ryzen 7 7700 may not realistically boost as high when all cores are being used
@@mariuspuiu9555 On par ? Perhaps in 3D V-cache sensitive games, but everything else the 7700x is WAY ahead of the 5800x3d. Just look at Hardware Unboxed 12-game comparison, and 7700x sits up there near the top dog Intel I9 13900k. Also, emulation such as RPCS3, 7700x has AVX512, and is one of the best CPUs for emulation, in it's price range.
@@DKTronics70 obviously talking about gaming.
It would be interesting for sure to compare the performance of a 7700, but I would go down to the 7600 which costs significantly less and it might turn out to be the best value
It's by far the better value. 5600 non-x is still better value though, but no future upgrades possible.
I made a whole excel sheet with all 5000,7000, 12th + 13th gen CPUs before buying the 7600X.
7600 now, 8800X3D when zen5 drops
Im thinking jumping to 7600 non x and use it for 4k ultra as on those settings there isnt much difference between others more exepsive cpu
@@Damir_Turk you always have to be careful with such statements. It's correct when looking at the situation but not technically. It's not that the cpu won't deliver higher fps at 4k ultra, it's just that the gpu can't keep up anymore. Especially the cpu hiccups 1% and 0.1% lows are probably still relevant. And once you upgrade to a newer/better gpu, you might instantly hit the cpu limit.
@@Habixus i know it will hit cpu limit cuz im gonna switch to a 7900 xtx but for me 7600 non x will be fine till much better cpu come down the line and is much better upgrade from my 5600x. my only problem is this new am5 boards are not so stable with ram memory and boot times are still high compared to my current setup
I used the 3700x on a cheap asus b450 gaming motherboard for a few years and just recently upgraded to a 5800X3D and noticed huge fps gains. I'm very happy with AMD
I'm about to buy the 5800x3d to retire my 5600x. Probably not the best gains but i need that CPU on another machine AND i'm looking forward to reducing the bottleneck on my 6800xt, i'm excited.
Out of curiosity what were the Gains? I’m rocking a 3800XT and thinking of going for the upgrade.
Yepppppp... lol I get more FPS playing World of Warcraft with my 2nd gaming PC with 5800X and Radeon VII from 2019 with 200 FPS vs my 3700X with 7900XTX sapphire nitro at 120 FPS ROFLMAO.... im waiting few more months to upgrade to 7800X3D on new platform.
We simracers appreciate so much that is channel offer ACC benchmarks. This is the only channel i saw benchmarks to ACC. Thanks.
Had been running a 3600 with a MEG Unify X570. Obviously an entry tier Ryzen with a top-spec motherboard - which I bought as I needed those PCI-E slots (have a 10GB SFP+ NIC, and SAS card for attached 16 Bay DAS). So I had two options, either jump up to ZEN4, or actually help the beastly MEG Unify realise its full potential. So I decided to grab the 5800X3D for $480AUD, and spend the rest getting a PS5, and a 6700XT to replace my aging 1080. Couldn't be happier all round. I was an early adopter of the first Ryzen, so am happy to wait for Ryzen 8000.
DDR5, when properly tuned for timings vs, frequency, has *_REALLY_* made a difference in 1%/0.1% low framerates -- which to me is the *_most important thing._*
I upgraded to a 7800X3D 3 weeks ago from an 11600k system with 32GB B-die. Tested two Corsair 48GB kits 7000Mhz + 6400Mhz XMP, a 32GB kit of Corsair 5200Mhz and finally a 64GB kit of Kingston 5600Mhz. I was searching for Hynix chips and the Kingstons came with them. The difference between tuned Micron chips (CL36 with tighter seconds) vs tuned Hynix (CL30 + buildzoid + extra tuning) is pretty obvious. War Thunder minimums on Movie preset @ 1440p went from about 295/300 to 325/330ish. Unfortunately I didn't record the 0.1% lows :(
Any benchmarks for that against b die ddr4 4400 cl16 or 4000 cl14? For an apples to apples comparison.
Which ddr5? 4800 or 6000?
That's a good point. Averages are averages, but you notice the stutters, not the 99%.
Using a 7600x since December 2022, I had the issue with bugged sleep mode when using ram at 5600 or higher. So I manually put in 5400 CL30 with igor's "slightly tuned sweetspot" timings.
1% lows were a lot higher than 5600 CL36 xmp/expo and I'm still using it with IF synced at 1800.
The bug apparently isn't a thing anymore, but the power consumption is quite a bit lower this way and the fps are more than awesome.
5800X3D is the way to go for Zen 3 owners! Thanks for this data HU
and zen2 or 1.
nah. it's overpriced and has bad temperatures even with aio and only worth it if you're playing strategy/mmorpg games. for everything else the 5600 is waaay better price-to-performance wise
@@xKamiiii 290€ for 5800x3d, i wouldn't call that overpriced
@@xKamiiii Fake News. Im using it with Thermalright Le Grand Macho RT. Literally 0 Noise. Temps are good when you Undervolt it.
@@xKamiiii There are no issues cooling the 5800X3D.
It's great to see the 5800x3D hold up very well. I'd like to see more comparisons for these using building style simulator games like Planet Coaster, Dyson Sphere Program etc. I used to get 60-70 fps on Planet Coaster with the R9 3900x and upgrading to the R7 5800x3D took it up to 140-150 fps which was amazing and it'd be great to see what whether those kind of games would benefit even more from the R7 7800x3D or not.
I second that, maybe throw in Some Arma 3, DCS, the IL-2s, Automobilista 2...BeamNG?
I'm planning on moving from the Ryzen 9 3900x to the 5800x3d next month. This is good to know
@@whatif8741 Friend of mine did exactly the same, he seems rather happy.
Cities skylines 2 for real
Still can't find any reason to upgrade my 5800X3D & 4090 at 120Hz 4k gaming and 115 FPS limit! I'll wait until AM6 and DDR6👍🏻
I'd love to see a comparison between the 7700 and the 5800x3d. When I planned my upgrade, it was recommended I do the whole platform and not just add the 5800x3d to my old rig. I'm curious whet the difference really would have been. I know my old setup would be different than your test system but a vague idea would be nice :)
Ive done the same but to the 5700x, with the 3070.. thinking of passing it on to my son who wants a pc and upgrading to maybe the AM5 chipset, but its expansive.
Actually the CPU I would like to see the most is the R5 7600, too me this is the sweet spot currently for AM5 gaming and I am more likely to upgrade this CPU "in the future" hopefully with some later AM5 X3d (essentially AM5 mirroring AM4) in a couple years time. Either way, informative video and it's a no brainer for me , AM5 all the way
There's just no reason to go current-gen AMD for gaming if you aren't using the X3D SKUs. The 13600k's existence in the midrange makes all of the non-X3D CPUs irrelevant.
@Cybernetic Argument Creator 7600 is 80usd cheaper than the 13600k and will get support till atleast 2026 while using less than half the power.
@@CyberneticArgumentCreator I hear what your saying, in a perfect world we would all have 4090's and 7800x3d's. However, the VAST majority of gamers don't have $2700 Canadian for two components ONLY. $600 for a 7800x3d isn't an insignificant price vs a $300 r5 7600.
@@CyberneticArgumentCreator am5 is still going to be supported for the future while 13th gen is the last in its socket so it would make sense to invest into am5
Seems just as possible that current AM5 boards age poorly or that current RAM is too slow in two generations.
5800x3D and 3080ti user here. GPU upgrade will definitely be happening before a CPU upgrade for me! The question is, 4080 or 7900XTX? Decisions to be made!
If you play VR go with the 4080. Google VR performance & the 7900xtx. The driver's were so bad I couldn't even use my VR headset "Reverb G2".Bought a 4090 & problem solved. I then upgraded to the 7800X3D from the Intel 17 10700k & nothing but problems.
I was a 58000X3D / 3080ti user myself but just upgraded to a 4080 for 3440 x 1440. Big improvement but I hear the 7900XTX can get better raster performance at the expense of worse ray tracing performance. DLSS3 though has been a life saver in Plague Tale: Requiem as I'm mostly seeing around 120fps (my systemwide lock) with it on and still looks great.
It's probably going to be a lot of work so it's understandable if you won't consider it, but I think it would be great to benchmark at least one R7 and I7 from every gen from original Zen to 7800X3D to see the improvements on both sides.
From 6th gen to 10th intel used the same core design, same IPC, just higher clocks, so I don't imagine there is going to be much difference between skylake, and overclocked skylake with more cores, apart from games that use the extra cores.
Beginning of the year I switched the 5800x3d into my 2018 b450 motherboard and I am really happy with it (paired with a 4070ti). The only game I regularly run into a CPU bottleneck situation with is MS Flight Simulator, where FPS can easily go into the 20s. That's why I suggest this game to be in the testing suite. It can crush any CPU.
Yeah, i'm a bit disappointed they don't use MSFS for benchmarks. They could use one of the addon replay tools, do a quick flight around LAX, and use the replay as the benchmark test.
Great video.
I would love if the same comparison was done with the 7900 XT or 7900 XTX, as not only are those GPU's way affordable than a 4090 and therefore relevant for more people when considering real world builds. Plus it would also allow for some comparing on where the CPU bottleneck comes into play, since with supposedly Nvidia drivers being more CPU heavy there could be interesting differences.
Agree, you couldn't have said it better
The driver CPU overhead discussion is interesting, but with just the 4090 data you can do some quick math to get ballpark answers to your other questions.
When paired with the 4090, the 5800X3D is 84% of the performance of the 7800X3D at 1080p and 89% of the performance at 1440p according to this video. So in theory at 1080p the 5800X3D is perfectly fine with any GPU that's capable of up to 84% of the 4090's performance, and any GPU that's capable of up to 89% 4090 performance at 1440p.
The 7900 XTX and 4080 Super are around 81-82% of the performance of the 4090 (TechPowerUp GPU database), so they should be perfect pairings with the 5800X3D at 1080p while at 1440p you still have some headroom for a slightly better GPU.
Of course all of this flies out the window if you only play Hogwarts Legacy and CS2, but that's the nature of averages lol
Once again, thank you so much for the ACC benchmarks! Sim racing titles benefit so much from these CPUs
iRacing benchmarks would be welcomed as well (triple screens at 1080p and 1440p).
@@mrb552 Indeed, but from what I've seen in other videos iRacing benefits from X3D chips just as much as ACC
bought a 5800x3d a few weeks ago and upgraded from my r7 1700 massive upgrade for under 300 bucks and just put it in my 85 bucks cheap b350 motherboard and works fine
YES!! I needed this video really hard. Yesterday was struggling to find a great comparison between these two monsters. Personally I think that the 5800x3d is the way to go if you don't want to struggle with voltages or if you plan to skip this 7000 Gen.
Here's the thing: even if you skip this 7000-gen, guess what? 9000 and 11000 are going to still be on AM5. Also, there is no voltage struggle.
It's a huge waste of money to throw $300 at a single component in a dead chassis. Because it's just going to lose value, and by the time 9000-series is out, your $300 CPU+ AM4 board will now be worth less than what the CPU is worth.
@@rustler08 They're referring to AM5 boards (especially ASUS) misregulating SoC voltage and so being able to permanently damage 7000-gen CPU's and sockets. AMD had to issue firmware updates to limit SoC voltage to 1.3V. Makes sense to wait for problems AM5 platform has to be resolved.
@@savagej4y241 Aren't they solved yet?
@@kennY_72 i dont think so, so you need avoid Asus on AM5
@@rustler08 it's definitely not a waste of money if you have a zen 2 or older already. But I wouldn't build new with 5800x3d, unless of course you can snag a $50 mobo and get a good deal on ram as well.
Definitely the comparison I have been looking forward to for a long time. Kudos Hardware Unboxed!
Yes, please include the 7700. But also, can you do the same test with RX 7900 XTX to compare the GPU driver overhead difference on these CPUs vs RTX 4090? Obviously the 4090 will wipe the floor with the AMD card in GPU bound scenarios but it would be interesting imo, how it does in CPU limited scenarios. Will it make the gap between the CPU smaller or will it benefit the 7800X3D even more?
Agreed and the premium of 4090 is hardly worth it, unless money isn't a problem. Even just having the data set of the titles with the biggest CPU performance differences would give an interesting insight to the matter.
Thanks for testing 4K, even though the lower resolutions are a good indicator of future hardware/older game fps, 4K results still help with whether or not a CPU upgrade is currently beneficial.
Fortunately its not. Playing in 4k is a secret lifehack they dont want you to know
@@SidorovichJr Secret life hack in what? Having to upgrade gpu every generation
Another vote for the same test with an RX 7900 GPU! Understanding the relationship of cost to FPS between Nvidia and AMD GPUs would be extremely helpful. Great content!
Crazy left field suggestion; what about a previous high refresh gaming champion like the i9 9900K? It would be interesting to see how far we've progressed in 5 years.
I upgraded from i9 9900k to 7950X3D at 1440p with an RTX 3080. It was a massive upgrade. Hogwarts Legacy went from 80ish to 140ish FPS. Satisfactory went from 22FPS to 85FPS. CSGO went from 300ish to 600-700ish FPS.
@@rahulahl the 7950x3d is faster by no means, but if u actually had those kind of increases i doubt your 9900k was configured correctly.
@@rahulahl Were you using a single 4gb ram stick with your 9900k?
@@Fidelius1992 you'd be surprised how far behind in the past those tired skylake cores are. The 9900K was great 5 years ago, that's a LONG time in tech.
@@Fidelius1992 people forget 9900k was a zen 2 competitor in gaming i guess and yes skylake cores are dated as hell plus suck a ton of power compared to even a 5800x3d
that is how much CPU's have improved to the point where yes 7th gen will be playable but will suck power and look hideous
I have both: 5800X3D + 3080ti and 7800X3D+6950xt. Both directdie cooled using large open loops. Both GPUs power unlimited. I also have a dellided 7700x I swap in the AM5 build at times. With all 3 CO tuned, OCd, and with tight tuned RAM my impressions:
Personally I think the 7700x is the best balance of performance between gaming/productivity.
As for price, using good parts a 7700x system costs about the same as a good 5800x3d system since hynixA DDR5 is downtrending and Bdie DDR4 is uptrending.
7700x basically matches 5800x3d in gaming and smashes both x3Ds outside gaming. Anyone on a less than 4090 but more than 1080p should consider the 7700x instead of X3D, since the GPU will limit earlier, leaving the 7800X3D gains unrealized.
7700X is easiest to get real performance gains from OCing, 5800X3D being next easiest and 7800X3D being the most finicky to OC due to VFTP table being ultra conservative. All said and done, my respective OC gains were 11%, 9%, 8% while maintaining full "any use" stability.
7700 instead of 7700x makes financial sense, but will be the slowest octocore for gaming of the 4.
Thanks for the video. I've enjoyed the 7800X3D in my system.
Which motherboard was your choice and did it matter to you?
I also have a 5800X3D and right now for me, at 1440P and 165Hz, my RX 6800XT is the bottleneck.
So theoretically if I upgraded to a 7800X3D, I would only see miniscule gains
🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ yeah sure man, makes sense
@@xKamiiii It does makes sense though lol
@@xKamiiii I dont need 600 fps in R6 Siege and I dont play Harry Potter, you can spend your $$$ for 10more fps if you want
You need at least 4080/7900xtx too see a real improvement
A great review that I wish I had waited for before making an upgrade decision HOWEVER..
One area I am now heavily focusing on is the power-to-output delivery, prices of electricity being as it is so I would have REALLY appreciated a measure of energy used to run these games included in the stats, both how much is being drawn at the power socket and how much the CPUs are using at each resolution.
Thought of the day - the brain only uses 20W to run your body!
Thanks for the content
For some people these 20 watts are wasted doe😂. But to your point: the x3d chips are really power efficent so yeah would have been nice to see
@@theplayerofus319 Yep on top of that My 58x3d happily runs -30 on the curve optimizer
@@retrosimon9843 i run my 4070 on 100 watts with 2450mhz and the 5800x3d stock. Gotta undervolt it too but im unsure how exactly gotta watch a review.
In that case you wanna go with 7000 series but non x, and even more so, non 3D, non x has a tdp of 65w while 3d over 100w.
@@theplayerofus319 I can do it in the bios. Updated it .
Would have been cool to have 7900xtx as well to compare 4090 nvidia driver overhead
With this fast CPUs the driver overhead will have minimum effect!
If you have low end CPUs.. there the difference can have effect.
@@haukikannel Untrue, every consumer CPU in existence bottlenecks the 4090. CPU power directly translates to FPS if you have a 4090, you want every ounce.
Would be nice to see the same conparison but with prev high end gen gpus, like 3080 and 3090. The majority of customers, wont upgrade to rtx 4000 cause of horrible prices, so would be nice to see how the 5800x3d stand against the 7800x3d with less powerful gpus! And as always, amazing work! Thank you!
This makes sense, I was thinking of the 5800x3d as a drop-in upgrade for my hybrid workstation/gaming machine and its current 3600 - and delay a full transition to AM5 for a while
I'd be curious to know at what point does the difference between the two go to nothing when you go down the stack. I.e. can we conclude that it's a nice boost at times with the 4090 but with the 4070 ti they're the same?
Not if you reduce settings. a 4070Ti with reduced settings would be similar to 4090 on ultra settings. Most people have a target FPS in their mind, specific to the game. If they don't reach that target, they lower settings. Some people might be happy with 60 FPS, others want 100. Chances are if you play with a 4070 Ti reduced settings, if you get a 4090, you will just turn settings up and aim for a minimum of similar FPS. Thats why CPU testing is done with an overkill GPU so you can judge yourself how those numbers apply to your usecase.
i was on the fence with a 3700X for a while. I thought I was holding out for the 7800X3D but once the 7950X3D reviews came out I bought a 5800X3D and have been perfectly happy since. Yeah, it's not the fastest gaming CPU on the market, but it's still in the top ten and that more than good enough for me until we see the next generation of CPU's and platforms.
I'm using 5800x3D upgrading from 3700x, and what I can tell is that I absolutely content with it ^^ paired with my rtx 3080
Thanks for the shoutout to the 7700 non-X at the end! I just built my new PC a couple weeks ago, finally moving up from my 6-year old i7-6700/Radeon RX 480 PC, and I knew I needed an AM5 PC to better future-proof my new machine for at least the next 5 years - But at the same time I didn't see buying 7800X3D, and a more expensive PCU to support it, plus a separate cooler, to be worth the added $200-$300 expense.
So I went with the Ryzen 7 7700 paired with an RX 7900XT, so that I get the benefits of AM5 at a lower cost, _plus_ I have a solid and cheaper upgrade path with future AM5 CPU's!
I would be interested in the *7600 non-x version* but tuned/adjusted, (quick and dirty tuning is fine too, to save time for you). Because it's price to much closer(cheaper) to the 5800X3D and the *tuned 7600* represent what and avarege Hub user would do, so I imagine.
I did consider upgrading to AM5 but the 5800X3D was only £260 from Amazon and is a drop-in upgrade from my 5600G, which is going to live on in a cheap second hand B450i and paired with a 3060Ti. The X3D will partner my 3090 FE on a B550i board. I really can't see any point in upgrading anything else for at least a year or two.
Exactly, I recently bought a second hand 5800x3d + mobo for 400€ and coming from a i7 8086k....it is such a beast, I can comfortably wait for AM6 at this point lol
I upgraded from i5-6600k to second-hand B450M with R5 3600X for a while and now switched to 5800X3D for RTS games
I'll wait for Ryzen 8000 series and hopefully they'll reduce the IHS thickness but if not, yeah, AM6
I think quite a few of us would be very interested in seeing VR performance between these two CPUs. Index, G2, and Aero are all headsets that would be valid to test with.
The higher VR resolution the better. Why not PIMAX 12K model? 6K per eye. I bet it destroys the 4090 and the 7800X3D.
💯💯💯
It would be nice to see something like WoW in these CPU test. Still semi high playerbase, fps issues, and almost no test online. I'm sure people would upgrade more often if they had this info. Heavy CPU usage on small amount of cores and very often the CPU is the bottleneck.
My last 5800X3D upgrade from 3700X almost doubled the framerate in the main city + raids. Would be nice to know info about other (maybe older) massive games that are having similar FPS issues, but no test anywhere.
any game from before 2012 will benefit massively from the V cache
for example Roblox gets like 50%-100% bump in FPS from 5800X to 5800X3D
@@GewelReal Tarkov also gets a huge boost from the X3D
most MMOs have high benefits from X3D cpus, i heard a lot of wow and star citizen players praising the 3DV$, sadly barely anyone benchmarks them
SWTOR runs much more stable and high FPS and ESO pretty much never drops below the 100FPS limit anymore, coming from an 3700X too (RTX3080 12GB @ QHD).
Dunno with WoW (never played it), but i can imagine that its profiting heavily from the cache and higher IPC as well.
@@GewelReal Yeah, I have heard this, but sadly haven't seen any wide scale tests to showcase these games with new X3D CPUs. Just other people experiments with two CPUs or similar. It's way more work to test MMO's, because testers have to know what are the main issues for FPS drops + create these scenarios like 30 man raids and high population cities. Simple single player leveling CPU test wouldn't show how well these can scale vs other CPUs.
I am switching from the R5 3600 to the R7 5800x3d and its nice to see how the 5800x3d compares to even the 7800x3d is some of the games I play. Thank you.
Thankyou for this. Looking at purchasing a new rig based on the 7800x3d before tax time. This was the final push i needed to help me decide to spend the extra $$ on am5
5800x3d at the prices you could get it new, its a lot cheaper than buying a whole new build *if you are not using a 4090*
This is the biggest takeaway for me really.
Who owns a high end cpu and gpu to play @1080p? 😂 Lol at 1440p and 4k the difference is negligible
@@CESAR_H_ARIAS You did see the video right? Even at 1440p, there was a 20% boost in a lot of games. And a 4090 at ultra settings might be just as CPU bottlenecked as a 4070 at medium settings. I play at 1440p with a RTX 3080, and I found the Zen 4 upgrade was really good and provided meaningful improvements in game.
Great vid and info like always. Interested in a 5900x comparison since it was also a great gaming processor before the 5800x3d and where it ranks between them.
*below them
I know it's not a standard testing game, but escape from tarkov heavily benefits from the X3D lineup. It would be cool to see the performance difference between the two on it.
many aaa benefit from 3d cache, only competitives its somewhat useless and more ghz dependant
This comparison is long overdue, thanks for this HU team!
You may consider putting the little siblings, 7600 on the charts along with the 7700 to to see the differences with the 5800X3D. Power consumption numbers would be interesting to see too if you're up to measure them, Steve. 😁
I'm posting this from my rig with the 5800X3D + RX 6800 XT. I don't need anymore than this.
I'm using the 7800x3d and the 6800xt.
Hey Steve! This would probably be a niche video but could you do a single video comparing odd ball resolutions to the standards tested? I play at 3440x1440p so I know my fps would slot between 1440p and 4K but I’m wondering how far that scale tips in either direction.
You could just benchmark games on your own PC at 1440, ultrawide, and 4K. You don't need a 4K screen to make your GPU render at 4K.
It would be nice to see the results with different GPUs 👀
Especially considering the extra overhead of nvidia drivers.
No problem with fast CPUs like these. If you have slow CPU… it can have effect.
@@haukikannel that makes 0 sense
I have 7950x3d and 7900xtx. The 7950 is soooo overkill, but so amazing at the same time. Everything runs like butter.
I really wish you guys would do ultrawide tests in the future. I know it’s a small and still niche resolution but it’s supported in almost every title and it’s becoming ever more popular these days.
Performance for ultra wide will typically be between 1440p and 4k. I don't see much value in adding that testing, especially considering all the additional testing involved.
@@Toasty27-q6w For sure, that's usually how I get an idea but it would be nice to see actual numbers and what they are getting rather than guesstimating on every title is all.
Love the video, this is an incredible amount of work. Would like to see DLSS on GPU limited tests to see where the CPU cap is with 4k Ray Tracing on things like Cyberpunk and Hogwarts but I'm still extremely happy with everything you showed in this video. Amazing work
Yeah I would also like to see dlss. I use dlss 2 in every game I play because it often looks sharper and don’t mind the minimal artifacting from time to time. I have a 3440x1440p screen and DLSS Quality makes it render at 1080p Ultrawide. I upgraded to the 7800x3d from a 5800x (non 3d) paired with a RTX 3080 and with RT and CPU heavy game I’ve seen some wild gains. Cyberpunk for example with RT Reflections and DLSS Quality went from 50-65fps to 75-90fps. In the last of us there are a few cpu demanding areas where I dipped below 60 or around 65 with rough input lag because gpu usage dropped. With 7800x3d those areas now give me 85-90fps and less stuttering which is a huge improvement in smoothness.
Yes, I would be very interested in seeing the 7700 vs the 5800X3D. I currently have a 5600x and I have been trying to talk myself out of the 5800X3D, but it's getting harder and harder...
Same!
It’s worth it if you have the means. I went from a 5600x to a 5800x3D and the minimum 1% gains alone was a game changer for me as the games I primarily play(Paradox Games & Tarkov) greatly improved the experience.
The HyperX Cloud IIs are still my favorite pair of headphones. I bought the pink/white version. They are still the most comfortable headset I've ever worn. That leatherette is special. The USB dongle that adds 7.1 is also very cool.
I loved AM4 journey. Went from 2600X to 5600X and haven't regretted a thing. Still a monstrous platform that I used to build my son's and wife's PC. I hope AMD treats AM4 the same way.
I recently upgraded to the 5800x3d from a 3900x and it made a huge difference for when playing CS2. Went from 100fps to 280fps (average) with a 2080 rtx.
Thanks for adding RT to your CPU tests. I know for a while everyone was ignoring RT tests for CPUs because it's such a GPU intensive process, but I think this clearly shows that RT can pretty heavily load the CPU as well.
My recent wonder is would a move from a 5900x to a 5800x3D for games make any sense? I could move the 5900x to another board, so I would not sell it, but for gaming would it make much difference coupled with my 3070 (grr, 8GB)?
I have done it. Most games now are smoother because of better 1% fps. And its less heat and powerconsumption. So do it !
@@optimalsettings This would be a good case for being able to borrow a processor to test it out with the games I play.
Would love to see a 3700X in the mix just to see how it matches up
i had a 3700x and i upgraded to 5800x3D.
I wasn't expecting it but my gpu was bottlenecked (and i figured out my gpu is now overheating lol)
but it was definitly worth upgrading.. 3700x was a great value at the time but it didn't keep up with rtx3000 gpus...
i can't give you values because in world of warcraft i doubled my framerate (wich is why i was upgrading)
and in other games like forza it's like 5 more fps.
In assetto it's also way better now.
@@FNXDCT what for GPU you have? I've got a 2070 Super and just am not sure if CPU or GPU upgrade would be best
cpu for sure@@Lord_Richi
but it depend what type of games you play, tome im ok with my 2060super for play cs2 @@Lord_Richi
Would be interesting to see 5800X and 7700 added to the dataset
Agreed I’m wondering if it’s worth it to upgrade from the 5800x.
Those comparaisons have been done during the 7700 and 7700x reviews on this channel...
@@nocompromesso well, we can found 5800x for 120$ on second hand market and rtx 3080 for 400$ and with 1-2year warranty, second hand market componement price make crazy drops since 2 weeks, it's good for all buyers
@@Blafard666 pretty sure I haven’t seen an 5800x compared to a 5800x3d on ACC. ACC has been added later into the games. As are some other games.
@@Blafard666 well than it should be straight forward to add them to the dataset. I'm simply responding to "If there's some comparisons that you'd like to see than let me know in the comments"
I’ve been waiting for this video since the 7800X3D released. Thank you, Steve
Thanks for including ACC in your review!!!
I do think I would like to see the non x 7700 vs the 5800x3d.
I'd like to see the 5900x and the 5700x, just to see how performance scales WRT varying core count, wattage, and higher L3 cache
About the 4k results, keep in mind that this is running with native resolutions. If using upscaling of any sorts (FSR, DLSS, etc), I imagine that the 7800X3D would show more differences when compared to the 5800X3D given the lower resolution benefits more from the the new architecture and platform.
In the end, what I mean is, on paper, 4k seems very similar or the same, but in a more real world scenario using upscalers would render a different result for 4k.
Essentially you are arguing that if you use a lower resolution,upscaling would have different results, which is expected given the lower resolution results. I just do t get the point your making, using a lower resolution will give better 4K upscale results, which is obvious.
@@robertt9342 the point I am trying to make is that the tests Steve covered don’t showcase results for any upscaling, which, in theory, would benefit the 7800x3d giving the resolution before upscaling is lower. 4K upscaled results would be not as close as the 4K native results.
@@leandrozanchin I think he's saying that you are STATING the OBVIOUS, Sir Sherlock Holmes.
Ryzen 7 5800X3D + RTX3070 user here. Still happy for performance. I think it will still relevant for another 2-3 years.
My son upgraded to the 5800x3d from the 1600. Night and day difference. He loves it! He did end up getting a new MB so he could transform his old system into a server running a vpn and other stuff.
I would love to watch 7700(non x) vs. 7800X3D
7700 is roughly on par with 5800x3d so almost the same as this video probably
I would love to see the 7700x thrown into the mix. Along with the 5800x. It would also be interesting to see and older chip like the 3600. Upgrading to a 5800x3d vs building new.
Great video again Steve, I understand why you use the 4090 and that you want to remove the GPU as the bottleneck. But, with 4090 costing around £1600 it's not a GPU that i can really justify purchasing. I would love to see the difference in performance when paired up with either the 7900xt or 4070ti to see if the performance is much closer. Cheers
Not to mention the 4090 is putting more load onto the CPU than say the 7900 series
I am using 3700x with 4090, so this was a good video for me
Thanks for testing at 1440p & 4k too- it's really good info for us that game at those resolutions
i have 5950x with a 7900xtx. i didnt realize how much the cpu was holding back my gpu. back to you steve.
great review, i just wished to see some result with mid range graphics card, not everyone can afford a 4090, but we can get a 7800x3D + 6700 XT
this is because it shows the worst case scenario, if mid gpu was used, gpu limitations would hide cpu limitations more
@@lordtaketh yes, but with 6700 XT it would reflect on more real world scenarios
1050ti,1080,2070 etc all then merit testing by that logic, which is not feasible. you have to use your context and some interpretation to understand what the worst-case scenario means to your situation.
You can (kinda) extrapolate the data to find out the difference.
All you need is a review of the RX 6700 XT while GPU Limited, and check if the average and 1% lows are higher than 5800X3D’s result.
If not, then both CPUs will have essentially the same performance.
I think if we saw the data for the 3d chips paired with a 6700 xt, most graphs would be GPU limited. I think it would actually be misleading, leaving viewers feeling like the 7800x3d offers only 1 or 2 percent improvement instead of 15-20%.
5800X3d is legit AMD's most iconic processor.
Well, and where is 0.1% low fps?
As someone who does not have an AM4 Mobo, I have plans to run the 7800 X3D for my coming full replacement, despite the fact that I'm aiming for 1440p without having a top-end GPU like what is used for this test bench.
The idea in my situation would be, all future events working out for it, to be able to run a setup with a ton of CPU overhead in the meantime, run (probably) a 7600 XT despite it likely being a bottleneck, but in ~two generations I'll be able to slap in a far more performative "mid-range" GPU which will take advantage of the 7800X3D's full performance.
That setup will likely perform close or at the expected performance jump you'd be looking for between two systems built that far apart. Even with normalized and thus lower-speed RAM you can see the capability for this to outperform the 5800 X3D by 10-20% when properly CPU bound. Some high-clock DDR5 and the driver optimizations that should come out in the future should put it far enough ahead of that statistic to live up to the performance needed to keep running it for what would normally be outside of a chip's typical life/upgrade cycle.
Presuming that nothing overly expensive dies or explodes, the few hundred dollars i overspend spend now without could save me $2000 on my next future build (or whatever the hyper-inflation equivalent of that will be two generations from now).
Sticking with the 5800x3d for a while, not swapping out my platform for min gains in Halo Infinite and Cyberpunk. Thanks for the great work as always.
I feel like the 4090 is a bit too much for the benchmark imo. I’d like to see a 4080 or 7900 xtx.
I'm still on the r5 5600x and see no reason to upgrade, it still delivers amazing performance in games. Especially since I mainly play 3+ year old games at 1080p. If i do decide to upgrade, the 5800x3d will be my choice.
Thank you Steve, again a high quality test and analysis. What I personally would like to see next, the 5700X vs. 7700 testing, because, with the current video, the picture would be complete. See You again next time. 👍
build a system in 2017 with a x370 motherboard (corsair hero 6) with 1800x and a 1070 (750W psu)
Just upgraded from 1800x ---> 5800x3d, 1070 --> 7900 xt and 16 --> 32 Gb 3200 memory
All thanks to the AM4 platform. Very pleased! Can surely run this system 5 more years now
Thank you for this content Hardware Unboxed!!!
For the future it would be nice for CPU tests to include very CPU intense games like Yuzu Emulator and Minecraft
Yes, 7700X addition sounds rather interesting! Absolutely makes sense. Great review, thanks!
This comparison comes at the right time, because I was wondering about this exact question. I'm building a small PC for the living room that will also be for light gaming.
Thank you for confirming my thoughs. I was tempted to upgrade from 5800X3D to 7800X3D, but I game at 4K120Hz (4090 on C1 OLED) and it's simply not enough of an upgrade for the money and hassle.
I did not expect the 7800 to be that much better than the 5800 based on the launch reviews. The picture that seemed to be painted by the sum total of reviewers upon the new generation was something along the lines of "faster yeah, but nothing to get super excited about". Really shows the value of the direct head-to-head.
That said, it's all academic for me, bought 5600x at $300 basically RIGHT before that started decreasing, and not planning on replacing it any time soon. Probably will pick up a 5800x3d for the simple drop-in upgrade in a few years when theoretically those are super cheap.
Just wanted to say thank you for the work you guys do!!! Going to wait for next gen since I mostly game CoD and Diablo
7 months in and 5800x3D has been one of the best gaming processers ive ever had. ~1V 4.4Ghz FTW🙂
Currently have the 7800X3D with a 4090FE in my ITX setup. Happy with the performance and low power consumption, as long as it does not blow up like rumored. Also like the idea of possibly upgrading to a 9800X3D or whatever's the greatest when AM5 is reaching it's end of cycle.
how did you manage to fit a 4090 into an itx setup without choking it completely? :D
Are the parts other than the cpu and gpu going to cost a lot compared to a normal full size build? Also, what parts are you using and what about their availability?
Going from the 2600 to the 5800X3D was such a great upgrade, cannot stress how much it improved smoothness with far less 1% lows and clearly how much the extra L3 cache helped my performance, especially as someone who multitasks a bunch too with the added threads with discord, browsers etc. etc. or my software development work.
Leave pc gaming it's the end only cloud gaming is our future not pc or gpus . Consumer market will end. No laptops no hardware No consoles only cloud pc , cloud gaming, and phone's are our future.
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The AM4 platform has been incredible! I went from a Ryzen 5 3600 to a 9 5900x with a 6700xt gpu and the same CL16 16gig ddr4 kit. Last week I bit the bullet and upgraded to a 7900xtx with the 7800x3d and 32gigs of ddr5 / b650mb. Let's just say the leap was incredible! I play fps such as Call of duty MW2 and Battlefield 2042. The mw2 ingame benchmark doesn't do this setup justice! When playing the game the 1% lows are so good, no stuttering on 1440p ultra with no upscaling. The game literally feels faster and the experience is a new level!!