Toxic Tropes: Blood Of Zeus The Mom Murder Show
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- Well this video is the love child of a metric ton of a million bad decisions. Some that I can only blame myself for and others that are entirely on the show itself. Never have I seen a show that I though was meh, sour so fast the more I think about it.
Will probably do a bang, marry kill for the entire cast because eye candy is about all they're good for.
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I remember watching the trailer and when the protags mom said "You're no bastard. You're a child of Zues." And like, that's the same thing.
My reaction was, “so he’s the bastard son of a god? That’s not different woman”
Same. Like, bruh, unless you're Ares or Hepheastus, it is mutually inclusive.
@@rafaelantoniobazzanadossan9451 I remember her from OSP video. Wasnvt she his first wife, before Hera? Also, Hephaestus is also Hera's child (the bitch yeeted the poor guy of off Olimpus)
@@rafaelantoniobazzanadossan9451 Oh. Ok thanks.
Lol
Dude, I’m all for creative liberty, but calling a character “Seraphim” an ancient Greece story is like calling a character in a in a Norse setting “Diego”
It’s super weird, like having “demons” as the name for the creatures. Like just use something in Greek.
@@SarcasticChorus not like they don't have demons like things in that mythology, like Harpies, or the Titans...
@@oliviawilliams6204 theirs daimon / spirit / titan / monster / shade / fury / ghosts / mermaids wolf sorcerer / greek version of dwarves / sub-species of human like the lykaia / difference race of giant / horse version of satyr and so on.
Why human demons it less greek mythology more 16th to 17 century Christianity mythology that have greek settings.
@@majesticgothitelle1802 exactly
@@oliviawilliams6204 I would be more okay if have a little more greek mythical accuracy had typhon and his monstrous children and the curse mortal vs the Olympian deity and the Olympian residents. They plead for the help of chthonic gods, earthly gods and residents of those places for helped.
Main character: agency? What's that?
Mom: *dies*
Main characters: So that's what agency feels like?
funny thing is that in this case its not even true. Main character remains a useless git, pupated around by others and having everything handed to him.
@@charnel8435 Kartos had the right idea, he needs to do their honoured family tradition of killing the father. Zeus's pen is started this thing in all directions. And nobody is holding him accountable for it. This boy had the gule to say it was his sons mess as human when this was both titan and kings son blood on his hands.
The same way Cronos was a problem because he forked and ate his children. Is the same with Zeus's member, it's writing the destiny each time it fu cks.
Killing the mom: Broke
Killing everyone: Woke
How about killing everyone except the mom and having the more traditional, coming-of-age MC and his given-full-independent-characterization mom travel together in a mother-son bonding quest for vengeance?
@Nowhere do you know what quest with you mom would look like? There's anime like this: Do You Love Your Mom and Her Two-Hit Multi-Target Attacks?
So Neon genesis evangelion or final destination
@@whiteraven181 like a serious version of the mom isekai basically
@@LCliffhanger and also without the incest
Speaking as a girl raised by a mother who absolutely did not want children and basically only stuck around to raise me for the bear minimum amount of time that was considered socially acceptable because that's what was expected of her, motherhood does not come naturally to every woman and a lot of girls have just as much of a problem with it as men do being a father.
Most of these Greek tragedies start because Zeus can't keep his little lightning bolt in his toga.
Yea
i bet its a big lightning bolt tho lol
@@aquatictwist If it was, Zeus wouldn't be so insecure he had to go after everything with a vagina.
The vast majority of the original Greek myths could also be solved like that
It’s either him or his brother. At least Hades is cool.
Thank you for pointing out the creepy rape story that is Zeus and Elektra's "romance".
I've never gone from being so hyped to being so disappointed in a show.
The only great thing about it was the Art style and the soundtrack. Everything else ranged from eye-gougingly bad to just "meh"
If you have ever read Grecian mythos at any point in your life, it has a lot of rape, honestly. Thank god I never watched this show, though, because they also screwed up the actual myths too.
@@BrokensoulRider As the video stated, taking elements from the source material isn't really a problem as long as it is used suitably (paraphrased). They already changed so much in their story, so why didn't they reframe this scenario from the mythos as well in order to align to modern sensibilities, to a more _real_ vibe?
@@moonshonemeadow There's a point and there's a point. When it comes to real old myths like this it honestly is better to keep with most of the source material.
@@BrokensoulRider the problem is, in myths Zeus is not a beloved father or a hero for humanity.
@@BrokensoulRider Mythos is one story of a Mythology.
A collection of Mythos is Mythology.
*Show about Zeus and fatherhood*
Zeus: I love all my children equally.
Somebody: All your children got into a huge fight!
Zeus: IS ATHENA OKAY?!
athena was technically gonna be his first born and unlike ares she doesn't just do war for the fun of it
@@Ragazaloth To be fair it's not like 'war for the fun of it' is that bad when looking at the rest of the pantheon
@@nectarinn3 yeahhh but war will lead into more murder and rape
@@Ragazaloth funnily enough Ares (not Mars) is one of the only male gods that hasn’t raped anyone. One of his stories revolves around him killing a son of Poseidon for trying to rape his daughter. It’s one of my favorites
@@hanamaryam7882 I mean ares doesn't do the raping and pillaging himself butttt his actions do lead to them
I also kinda feel bad for ares in the myths since he's basically bullied by his father
And there is that one time he had an affair with Aphrodite
I roll my eyes at any story that tries to portray fatherhood with someone as notorious as Zeus
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Yeah, the god who has endless bastards and shows no care in any text for his kids is the *perfect* complicated father figure, right?
But Zeus is a good father for his kids in mythology. Well, he's selective with whom he favors, but to those he does he is quite caring.
@@thisisnotmynam *gestures at his general interactions with Ares, Hephaestus, and most of his mortal children*
@@Sootielove yeah well, I did mention that he doesn't favor or care for all of his children. He seemed to particularly despise Ares. But he did grant his kids like Artemis, Athena, Apollo whatever they wanted, and grieved for some of his mortal kids like Sarpedon and Heracles. My point is that Zeus has been good father, even if it was to only some of his kids, so seeing him be parental/try to be a good father to Heron isn't particularly out of place.
yaaaas! Red and blue get over here now I found green
Yellow. Very clearly a Yellow.
It’s lime guy’s
Wasn't green Hello Future Me though from that one crossover they did with OSP?
@@frankieking6980 Yes HFM is Green and SC is Yellow
@@WindWalker666 I actually wanted to be Gold or Yellow but the eyes just weren't that visible with a white background.
Let's not forget, that the ONLY GODDESS that talks in this show is Hera, literally, you have ARTEMIS AND ATHENA THERE they exist there, they are on olympus AND THEY DON'T HAVE ANY LINES! How can you have 2 of the most badass goddess of the pantheon and don't give them any lines when they're going on a war with the gigants? (Aphrodite is also there too)
Simple : Being a misoginist.
@@unchartedraider7547
Bro, the reason why the show is mostly focusing on men is because greek mythology is often popular with woman and gay men. This show was sexualizing men for the ''female gaze'' if anything.
@@plzleavemealone9660 The "female gaze" isn't just the male gaze but applied to men. That's largely just men jerking off their self-inserts. Women are generally less shallow than men when it comes to partner selection (not much less, but hey), so any successful heartthrob character will have to have a charming personality, or at least convince a female POV that he has one. This is because dating is potentially way more dangerous for women than for men, due to the way some men feel entitled to womens bodies, or prioritize courtship over ensuring each others safety, among others.
Furthermore, if the show wanted to attract women, the deities they should have focused on are precisely Artemis (who is just. A mood) or Athena (a badass who actually has something going on, and would bounce off of like half the pantheon quite well in either a straightman, mentorial, or unlikely duo way), or someone from a lower rank who could actually have something going for them, such as Apollo; instead of the fucking serial rapist and adulterer. Because, trust me, there's few better ways to drive women and queer people away than to portray a serial rapist positively while also focussing on him. Like, if I wanna see hot men, playgirl magazine covers are just a quick google search away.
@@dr.archaeopteryx5512 Couldn't agree more with that.
@@dr.archaeopteryx5512 THANK YOU, this needed to be explained to those who are clueless enoguh to need an explaination. 🙄
"All the gods are shitty but I especially hate Zeus" Well they got that part accurate at least.
No bad talk about best bros Apollo and Hermes in this house 😤
@@bananatiergodthey raped people....
Hermes was pretty chill if not even kind here. Hades seemed more neutral than bad (but he had very little screentime). Even Hephestaus seemed alright.
"typical predator stuff"
typical Zeus fashion, yes
I like how in Percy Jackson books, Percy's mom was resurrected in the end of book one and she has a story of her own. And she was also like an advisor to Percy, she was a writer. She was able to get rid of her abusive husband, Gabe Ugliano and start a new and better life for herself. She even fell in love with another man called Blofis and Percy was supportive to her, she was a cool car driver... like... she's a badass mom!
Sally wasn't dead though. Percy thought she was dead but Hades kidnapped her and tried to use her as a bargaining chip. If Sally had died, Hades wouldn't have let her go because of the rules.
Don't forget the umbrella scene during the Titan war. She was a superpowered fighter too ! I love the fact that it's a running theme during the story and the sequels that everybody love Sally.
Indeed. Sally Jackson is a fucking queen.
So basically...
*A N D T H E N A L O N G C A M E Z E U S*
*HE HUUUURLED HIS THUNDERBOLT!*
“Came”
@@mr.outlaw231 HE ZAPPED
@@niloorenji499 LOCKED THOSE SUCKERS IN A VAULT
@@jasmineyu493 THEY'RE TRAPPED!
I wish you did a full review, talk about the sound punches make, the clunky animation when there’s not a fight, the bland main character, the large changes to mythology to make small changes to the show (like where the giants are from), or how they missed a lot of potential.
But I can definitely understand if you don’t want to revisit it any more than what’s necessary for this video.
how about the abuse of flashbacks, there were like 10 episodes and 2 of them were flashbacks
@Pixel Smile they could be helpful it the show wasn't on a streaming platform, when you are binge-watching the show you don't need to be reminded of what happened 1 hour ago.
red: mentors are the second deadliest job in fiction, after moms
sarcastic chorus: moms are the second deadliest job in fiction, after mentors
also sarcastic chorus: guys, I swear I'm not doing this on purpose
in all seriousness I love osp trope talks, hell yeah more trope content
except for fathers and parents of the main character in general
To be honest, I'm only watching boz for Hermes and Apollo
I watched it for seraphim 😂
Apollo didn’t have to be so fine😩😩
Mood
Well, apollo ain’t the sun god for nothing...
I watch it for hades
When I first heard of the show I thought it was going to be a son of Zeus going after his father as a big revenge plot (Blood of Zeus having a double meaning) and I was SO EXCITED for Zeus to be the villain for ONCE in modern media but NOOOOOO
But Zeus was never the straight up villain in a story. He just bangs someone and leaves
There is God of War 3 for you!
@@ihaxus indirectly though so it doesn't count. And unlike any other god he doesn't randomly curse humans
Go play god of war
*Sarcastic Chorus:* Why is being a mom the second deadliest job in media besides being a mentor
*Me:* Lol someone's been watching Trope Talks
*Sarcastic Chorus: makes the OSP comparison*
*Me:* 👁️👄👁️
same... I stole your comment on accident lol
Funnily enough, since you were talking about Disney movies, the mythology inspired one THERE (also with Zeus as a father figure) is kind of an outlier. True Hercules interacts more with his dad, but the the thing is: he has TWO dads and TWO moms and manages to keep everyone alive and have a good relationship with all of them by the end. None of them has to die to kick-start his adventure or give it meaning, and when he finds his biological parents, he still shows his adopted ones, the people who raised him, love and respect and makes sure they can live a good life with the money he earned. Other Disney characters see Hercules and weep.
@Pixel Smile
The greatest weakness of all
Plus we got the Muses
Yes! It bugs me so much. Dads in fiction can be heroic, flawed, learning, men who the kids aspire to be like/ don’t want to be like. He’s defined by his actions, while the mum... is generally nice, provides care but have no heroic qualities except self sacrifice and thus as a caretaker that either fades into the background or easily disposed of.
Ah. I see why the Hades fandom dunked on Blood of Zeus now
There's a hades fandom-you known what never mind of course there is.
@@privatehere3324 Ah by Hades I meant the game! Not the actual god skydfjfshj
@@princeoffae 🤣🤣
@@princeoffae I’m certain their is a fandom for the actual god too, and when I find Zeus knows I’ll join it just to spite him
@@hanamaryam7882 There's definitely been a resurgence for love for the God Hades himself. Which I think comes from a mix of Hades being one of the least bad out of the main gods/goddesses/olympians in Greek mythology and the annoyance at him being portrayed as overtly evil in most modern depictions of him with the others more whitewashed. Plus the stories/retellings of him and Persephone and how even in mythology they seem to have a pretty good relationship as time goes on.
This is the issue that I had with the show. Why was Zeus struggling to fight mortals after his baby was born? Zeus is f****** Zeus, with a snap of his fingers he should have annihilated everyone everyone in the room. The second thing I had issue with was Hera.Hera has a divine bird that symbolizes her and it's not a crow. Hera Queen of the gods Divine symbol is a peacock.
Actually Hera does have some crow epithets, mainly because the Greeks associated them with affairs and broken love (long story there). They aren’t her main animal, peacocks, cows and cuckoo birds are more common in her depictions, but still they are some crow stuff at least.
@@dylantennant6594 They should have just made it so nearly any bird could be one of her spies.
When did he struggle to fight mortals? He one shot every single one of them and left because he wanted to protect Heron and Elektra.
Honestly I'd like to see a story set in ancient greece *about* these women, about how their culture views them, the power they still manage to wrangle despite it all.
@Kaisea
That would be interesting as heck!! We could look at women of many different statuses (a woman who is/was a traditional wife, maybe a prostitute, maybe a priestess or a few , maybe an/the Oracle of Delphi) and we could see how they interact with the gods as well, both symbolically and literally. Imagine (if we are doing the classic hero journey narrative) them meeting Artemis and her huntresses, the Amazon, and other female figures and groups in mythology! It would be so cool
@@echothenardier8053 I'm sure such books exist. But yeah it'd be great even to just have a few short stories from the perspective of different women in history. All walks of life, different countries, different circumstances ect.
I think it would need to be an anthology, because it would be such a wide range of experiences it'd be difficult for a single author.
Madeline Miller's _Circe_ does this, but that’s all I can think of.
Really good book, check it out.
@@hailghidorah2536 I think I read it in the interim after I made this post, yes! It's one of my favourites.
Sadly. Ariadne by Jennifer Saint misses the point entirely and makes it all about how men are all evil and women destined for suffering and lack of agency. What I appreciated about Circe was it acknowledged how men were very much products of their environment. They had agency, but they were also a product of their culture and in some small ways it wasn't entirely unexpected or surprising when they were shit. Thinking of Odysseus specifically.
Kinda makes me realise just what an outlier the Lion King was among Disney's theatrical films 🤔
Walt Disney brought his parents a house and I think the gas was faulty and they died. So that's why most movies in his time were missing/dead parents. If that documentary is to be believed.
In the case of the Incompetent-Father trope then yes, The Lion King strays away from that trope by having Mufasa as a great dad who loves his son, and who allows his father instincts to guide him into raising Simba and protecting him. He's basically the anti-Zeus.
About the mother trope, well... Sarabi doesn't die, so that's a plus, but she really is a minor character, with only a couple of scenes. Even so, it's insinuated that she had a healthy relationship with Mufasa, like when she got injured by Scar, and then adult Simba went to help her, for a moment she thought he was Mufasa. That little detail was pretty sweet and heart-breaking.
And let's give her praise for not losing her poise and courage: she thought for a long time that both her son and her husband were dead. Any stereotypical mother character would lose all hope (and probably end her own life) after that. But no, she kept her position in the pride, trying to prevent Scar from ruining everything, obviously being more competent than him about ruling the land. She stands up to him and never cowers in fear, to the at-that-time king for crying out loud!! One can tell by that scene that she was a tough and undaunted leader. Losing her family obviously pained her deeply, but she kept her responsibilities in the pride so she could help the other lions, THAT's a way more complex character than every single mother in Blood of Zeus combined.
Despite that, the movie is really all about Simba's relationship with his father, which isn't bad, but it doesn't allow many scenes with the mother, so people won't remember Sarabi that much.
Not really. Disnwy dads die as well.
I think Oda (author of One Piece) Has a pretty good explanation as to why All the lead characters in his series don't have mothers. The series is about adventure, and mothers provide security and safety, granted it implies that motherhood means no more adventures but it is at least an explanation
Writers be chaneling the ancient greek's misogyny in this one
To be fair greek mythology is very sexist the times women are raped/ kidnapped into a relationship is too many to count.
Athens was sexist even by the standards of the classical world
supernatural brought the mom back just to show us her flaws...then killed her off again.
if Im not mistaken she died 3 or 4 times but to be fair they did something similar with the dad and basically scraped everything from every bottom of every barrel. final seasons would not get high ratings even among amateur fanficiton
I haven’t seen a single episode but I’m not surprised
Supernatural doesn't count everybody dies and come back at some point in the story
One thing that kinda sucks for Hera is that she didn't even want to marry him. He just decides he wants her for no freaking reason (even when THEIR MOM, CUZ THEY ARE SIBLINGS) told him to leave her alone and he straight up shapeshifts while chasing her and then when he finally pegs her he just starts cheating on her instantly. If I where Hera I would be pissed at him too.
Except Hera takes her anger out on anyone and anything other than Zeus.I get that she cant fight him cause hes all powerful but as a woman forced into a loveless marriage, as the freaking GODESS OF MARRIAGE she should understand at least some of the women Zeus cheats on her with, all of which were raped
@@user-pi3hd2bt3f You are not wrong
@@user-pi3hd2bt3f Yeah, while Zeus is generally the instigator and arguably the worse of the two, Hera's actions are still unjustifiable and often against complete victims. They're both very evil.
@user-pi3hd2bt3f there is also a story about that, the first time he cheated on her she tried to get Zeus off the throne, she almost did it but he escaped and tied her to the edge of the mountain until she promised to never betray him and be the best wife she can be (meaning never be mad because i cheated) and because he had more power then her she couldn't just punish him (ancient greece wasn't nice to women) so she punished the closest person (the victims) and she is the goddess of marriage it would probably be the biggest insult to cheat on someone who is the god of marriage
The animation and designs for this show are great, but this is certainly no Castlevaina.
Yesss the dead mother trope is so bad I’m so glad someone finally calls it out!!! I always get annoyed by this trope just because it’s supposed to set up the main character as their “coming of age”. But a character can do that without a dead mom. Brave, despite not liking the whole bear thing, was a good show of this. I gave the still coming of age story but made the mom an interesting character. She was the queen, she could control an entire crowd with ease and charisma, she was more than just merida’s mom who didn’t listen to her requests to not want a marriage. She eve got to tell her side of the story. Thorigh spending time together in the movie she got to show her daughter parts of her beyond just being her mean mother. This trope dosent have to exist just based on brave Merida can still become independent and grow up but still have her mom there to support her and grow with her as a person.
Well he's hardly the first one calling it out. It's been called out for a while, particularly at Disney who have an habits to kill mothers. But yeah it's good to point it out and this show seem to be a particularly bad case
Uh, you know the "dead father" trope is just as pervasive, right? Like, this is hardly just a momma thing. :I
@@stephenjenkins7971 finally someone said it.
@@River-pg1uk feminist bullshit as usual.
@@berserk9085 look at persentages we don't talk about men right now for fuck's sake wait your turn
7:35 yeah, thats an excellent point. ancient greece would be a great setting to show gay and bi characters yet they for some reason shy away from it.
There's Apollo
@@mikemorro140 seriously, i fangirled so hard at the scene with apollo and his 2 lovers in bed, omg. Only good scene in the show if you ask me.
Thank you for calling what Zeus did as what he did. I dropped the show because, at first, it seemed to be aware that Zeus would need a redemption arc if we sympathize with the man who destroyed this woman’s life out of lust.
Psst
PSST
Since Red won't do it, wanna make a Toxic Tropes about tragic backstories and how to or not to make a character sympathetic?
HES PLEASE
*Yes
I second that topic suggestion. Please, make that Toxic Tropes-series.
I love OSP
So I'm actually writing a story based on greek mythology (the story of Icarus) and the mom dies within the first 10 pages or so.
I saw this in my recommended and saw it as required viewing. The death of the mom is so integral to all 3 main characters that I don't feel like I can remove it. So I've been watching every dead woman/dead mom trope video I can and each one gives my a new idea on how to portray this trope in a better way and strengthen her character. This video is no exception. Thank you!
I'm not sure if you're looking for any advice, but grief and the effects of loss can be powerful topics to write on. Personally, I don't have a problem with dead moms in stories, but I believe the missteps happen when the mom is basically a saint with no other personality other then loving her children (like Blood of Zeus) or becomes a hate sink for the child's emotional issues (like Fifty shades). Tldr; Make your dead moms in stories people, not saints, and you're probably good and will craft a vastly more interesting story
@@emilygalloway4865 thank you. I remember after writing the first scene where the mom dies I was kind of sad because I was really enjoying her as a character, and this video and your comment has inspired me to add small flashback interlude stories to revisit the mom and add her more prominently in the story as a vital character.
I glad your saying this. People seem to think that child hood comes easily and naturally to women, when actually the mom and the dad both have to figure it out together.
Sarcastic chorus drinks all of his respect women juice.
You know what? Thank you for calling Electra and Zeus’ dynamic what it actually is; it is rape by fraud, pure and simple, and Zeus should never have gotten the sympathetic light that he did. This alone deserve a like.
"who drops him off faster than you can say consent"
Ok but hear me out, when it came to the design of some characters... WHY THE HELL DOES HADES LOOK LIKE AN ANGRIER ARES?!?
Because modern writers and artist can't get it through their heads that Hades isn't Satan.
Why is there no Persephone in this whole series?
@@backpug1228 eh, depends
Well they are uncle and nephew and Hades is Ares uncel on both sides so it makes sense Ares would look a bit like him, but his mom (Hera) and dad (Zeus) don't even look like there related to both of them.
I would get his half-sibling don't really look like them but i would expect that he would look like his parents
This shows the lack of women writing shows, like honestly moms are super badass and you could have protagonists revel without killing them of
Then you'd be disregard them as humans. A bunch Dads die in this story including maybe the the king of the God Zeus( but I doubt, I think that scene was just to make him more noble than the rape shafter). Moms and women die sometimes because nobody should have plot armour, it cheapens the story when you know nothing can hurt your fave characters. Stop Simp, think.
@@thegooddinggleberry When THE ONLY thing the women have is death for other characters agency to show up, that's FAR worst, make them more then walking death signs and More people will pay attention, yes they shouldn't be immune to death, but if the first thing they do aside from be a mother is DIE, you're writing a failure.
@@Jacob_G9 you mean, exactly like most of the male characters that are in this story too? The god sons of zeus are nothing more than the sons, the bad human noble is evil and then dies for the sole gratification of the evil dude getting killed. Yes, the dying mother part of the amazonian woman is done bad, but I don't see how that specifically defined her to be a badass woman? Maybe she was one all along, like am actual character? But no, immediate assumptions that only the mother dying and the father blaming it on her should make someone tough is a great stereotype for women here, for all the talk sarcastic is doing here in support of them.
Also, the story is about zeus and his 2 sons. Oh no, the secondary characters get less characterization than the 2 sons??!!?!?! Blasphemy! It's against women's rights!
Uhuh, yeah, ok.
@@Sovann_the_Mighty I'm not Asking for secondary characters OF ANY gender to be more developed, I'm asking for them to be more than A Cardboard cutout then Dying. They aren't red shirts, their purpose isn't just add to the number, they exist to be a reason for the characters to change, and why death, why not alive but injured? why not comatosed? why always death?
You get one well done parent death and the rest should be nonexistent and come up with something different, or a spin on dead (insert important person).
@@Jacob_G9 well, you did say: " the only thing women have is death"
... This gave me an idea for a story where the reverse happens; a woman's husband and son die, and instead of being a depressed, moping widow, she becomes a depressed warrior widow whose goal becomes revenge on the one who killed her family.
I don't know if I should even write it, because it still adds onto the pain that women have in stories...
That's the plot of Kill Bill
@@mikemorro140 I... never watched that, sadly.
Yeah thats Kill Bill's plot i do recommend it
Also one of the main characters in the podcast Quest Friends
That’s almost exactly the plot of a manga called Groundless
Sarcastic chorus: *promotes Wicked*
Me, the theatre kid: *It's show time*
I JUST CAME BACK TOO THIS VIDEO BECAUSE I REMEMBERED THAT THE PRINCES AND THE FROG IS ALSO ANOTHER DISNEY MOVIE WERE THE PARENTS DON'T GET KILLED
Dad is dead though, so its iffy. Love Tatiana’s first song to her mom
@@SarcasticChorus I REMEMBERED AGEAN TANGLED RAPUNZELS PARENTS ARE STILL ALIVE IN THE END OF THE MOVIE
1. Yes. Yes, please make legit seires in your channel.
2. If it makes you feel better, Wicked is one of the most popular musicals.
I also loved Hera because she was exactly how she was in all the myths
At least they got ONE right...
@@Ramsey276one I think they got Hermès and apollo and Hephaestus right too. Ares wasn’t like the myths at all thou
@@Ramsey276one I mean they got Zeus's most important characteristic right, EVERYTHING bad that happens to a human in Greece, happens because he couldn't keep it in his pants
@@grayfulbester YEP
@@grayfulbester but normaly he just get nothing done to him
Except one myth
Single mom, dead or absent father story: "we miss him sometimes but everything else is fine all the time"
Single dad, dead or absent mom story: "God being a parent is so hard, I wish my partner was here, how do u connect with a child????"
I love when shows break these tropes from time to time
This series making Zeus's plot be fatherhood is just laughable. This is the guy that just yeeted his deformed child out of the f sky just because they didn't like it
This is all exactly how I felt watching Blood of Zeus. The entire time I was waiting for more, and it never delivered. I also thought it was so bizarre how none of the other female goddesses ever spoke or did anything? Like Athena, the goddess of wisdom and just war? Artemis too, if somebody didn't know better and only watched this show, they wouldn't even realize that Apollo has a twin sister. Or if they wanted humans/demigods, how about Atlanta? This show was just really shallow and disappointing. I wonder though, what do you think of Tiana? It's interesting how the Disney standard is reversed in her story, her mother is alive and her father is dead.
To be fair a lot of Zeus’ mistresses meet their demise or suffer by the hand of Hera a lot in Greek mythology.
Why does Zeus care about this blaster and not the 3 others
I just want to point out that Sephirem's uncle has FIFTY SON'S and this was before he tried to kill baby Sephirem.
Haven't you seen Terrible writing advice parents are asshole or dead or both. The nicer a parent or parents are it is so much sweeter when they die. I watch the show and was that a show. The only character I like was Hera because she true to herself. I think the show has no where to go but up. Hades wasn't present so it could be interesting if he the grand puppet master all along.
I hope Hera gets more character development. I think that she should still be proud and ornery like she was in the first season, but I think there’s a more complex and nuanced character that can come from her flat angry, crazy, jealous wife persona.
Hades was the least douchy of the greek gods though, and the fact that movies/shows keep depicting as the evil bad guy, while fun in some cases (Disney's Hercules), is bad presentation
@@floricel_112 I agree I think is because why Hades is evil because he is the Lord of the Underworld. He isn't even the god of death. People see death and decay as evil and bad. I alway thought of death as a 5'11" Big Titty Goth Girl.
Yes, please continue this series. I feel like the inherent problems with some of these tropes never really get discussed, and it's so refreshing to see that happen
I really don’t care about the dead mom trope and people shouldn’t be forced to not have that trope because it’s their creation and should be allowed to do whatever they want with said creation
Reminds me of the "Raised by Dads" trope , which I think further hits home the idea only women can be caretakers
Hey thats how Hera was like in the myths
Thats something they stayed accurate to
good ol' victim blaming
@@ivymoody4238 I'm just saying she did this in the myths
@@fragrantbeetsootsauce1324 ye she did, she victim blamed in both the myths and the show, because she couldn't actually do anything to her husband so she took it out on the woman he raped and seduced
@@ivymoody4238 OH I thought you meant I was victim blaming Hera
oops my bad
@@fragrantbeetsootsauce1324 oh my god I'm so sorry, no you aren't victim blaming
You just can't act like Zeus is a good person while acknowledging he has many basterd children he knowingly puts in danger by making them a target for Hera
I'm so sick of "Coming of age" stories relying on dead parents, usually the mother or both of them. People grow up regardless if their parents are dead, it's not a story trigger based in reality since most people have parents well into their adult years and you don't need them to be dead to start living your real life. I think Moana is the only story to have a characters coming of age motivation be her own but even then her grandma died to set off her adventure.
And a parent being dead doesn't have to be bad either if their death isn't purely for the sake of developing the main character, I think Onward is the only story I can recall that has the dead parent trope as a part of the main characters identity but doesn't straight up murder them to push the story along, if that makes sense? Their father is dead but him dying wasn't what traumatized the kids enough to start their adventure, a chance to see him did.
This is kinda the same frustration with killing a wife or sibling just to hurt the main character, it's objectifying a character for plot.
I mean stories are more about theatricality over realism.
Bro, characters are objects that writers play around with.
@@plzleavemealone9660 yes and no. Technically everything in a fictional story is just a tool for the writer,but character, and many other aspects of writing a story, do depend how much the audience willing to suspend their disbelief and see them as more than tools.
It’s hard to break tradition when it’s been practically hardwired into into our storytelling brains. I mean, even in media where the parents are still alive, you have the cliche of them either not mattering at or just being antagonists since developing them more could run the risk of taking away focus on the protagonists. It’s easier for writers to thin the numbers for the sake of simplicity.
well said man. absolutely hate how zeus was "redeemed" and turned out to be a loving father and husband in the end and actually loved hera blah blah. i was actually expecting blood of zeus to vindicate hera and her rage (against zeus and not electra) and zeus made out to be the _actual_ villain of the story but nope. also the characters have like almost zero chemistry besides the smugglers who are very much 🎶two bros chilling in a hot tub NOT 5 feet apart because they're gay🎶 and heron looking at [ancient greek isaac]'s chest for more than 3 seconds (again very gay). like alexia had one good interaction with heron and that was it; she was literally there to fill out the girl of the group quota. like you said, this was not a good show, its rife it toxic tropes and bad writing but the character design absolutely slaps and i wish we ended up getting beefier/chunkier (bolin looking) heron. a lesson that good visuals do not mean a good story
11:47 “being a mom isn’t an identity, just because they have a kid doesn’t mean they want to protect them”
jumps to Hera and her literally throwing her newborn son off a mountain because he didn’t look good enough.
I want to comment on the dead Disney mom thing. Walt lost his mother at a young age and was forced to work by his less then great father. Walt in his own words doesn't make his father sound bad but the man was. Like Walt states he was beaten by the man but then adds "and because of that I'm not soft" which says ALOT. His mother's death hit him hard and the trope started from his pain. He was trying to share how hard and how much hurt he was feeling/felt. All the moms are dead BECAUSE he valued them which created an odd out come.
My dad was very involved in my life, he helped me write my Scifi/fantasy world. If you read this, Love you Dad
Why do moms always die? To show that dads are horrible parents.
Because people more of a emotional reaction to a woman dying than a man.
The bad father is just bad writting.
ironically, this show paints Zeus as ultimately loving and we'll meaning to his...side piece and son
@@gregorythestallion2984 I present you "Lion king" where everyone ugly cried at Mufasa's death🎇. Ok but seriously I do agree to an extent mothers dying have more of an emotional impact, tho only if we get to know the mother better along the relationship with her kids, that's what makes it impactful and what can make it work for fathers too. If it's offscreen or it just happened to her as a side character without any in-depth about her relation with the kids then at most we're pity for the kids but there's nothing special about it to remember and lately it's been done like that so often I'm desensitized of it.
@@ozioni2553no it doesn’t Lmfao. If you got that then congrats you watched it in the lenses of good and bad
@@BabyGirlTiny nope, just the way the show presented it
Zeus good, hera bad
Thank god someone is finally talking about my least favorite trope ever. It really makes me appreciate moms who are active in their children’s lives like Carol in OK K.O., Nicole Watterson in Gumball, and Johanna in Hilda.
Well, at least Zeus was historically accurate
This is why I want a Egyptian goddess Isis, Single Mom Supreme movie!
In the past, it was the other way around - Victorian literature basically treated you as an orphan if your dad was dead.
its just parents in general. not just moms that die. the difference is that people dont care nearly as much when the father (or any male character dies) so for the emotional reaction they want they kill the mom.
Are you gonna forget mufasa? Any loving parent that dies is going to get a sad reaction. A lot of parents in movies tend to be mothers because generally, they are stuck with the kid so it's all the protagonist has.
It's weird because I have a character that struggles to connect with her daughter and 'being a mom', it's part of her emotional core and that of her child to kind just, figure each other out and heal from the pain caused by neither of them really knowing what they're doing. Her own upbringing was scheming and cold, she was raised in a toxic and unloving environment. Through a lot of introspection, talking with people she's learned to trust, and many mistakes, she comes to recognize her daughter's unmet needs and her own unmet needs, leading to a slow and painful recovery for both of them.
I really don't understand why lot of any author of a mythology themed work would want to make there main character the child of Zeus. Zeus bangs basically every woman who he sees. Being a child of Zeus is like being lefthanded.
I think this would be an interesting series for you to continue.
I once said that Seis Manos was my favorite thing to come out of PowerHouse.
After Castlevania S3 and this, I reafirm it
wait, I'm genuinely curious, is castlevania any good?? I'm thinking of watching it but idk
@@swirlingsun
The animation is fantastic and the characters are all pretty likeable I kind of feel like some things are a bit rushed and characters make stupid decisions though. But again as good as the animation is I'd say give it a try
And then there's the bear.
first off with walt disney his mom died so that's why he used the dead mom trope a lot @sarcasticchrorus it affected him deeply as fro the more recent stuff idk if they were honoring walt with dead moms lol
Watched this and Zeus should have been the villain. The goddess of women, childbirth, and families shouldn't be murdering women and breaking her family apart like that.
Hera does shit like that
Castlevania’s core plot revolves around a dead mother. Makes me wonder if it’s a thing for this studio.
I know there’s already a tropes talk on another channel, but it wouldn’t hurt to have another one. It’s good if more were to addresses the toxic and damaging tropes often displayed in media.
(though Bad Writing Advice is another channel that addresses bad tropes in literature, which can branch into movies and television)
love that chanle
It also surprised and disappointed me that none of the other headliner goddesses like Athena, Aphrodite, Artemis etc. got ANY speaking roles. Heck, it’s unclear if all of them even made it out of the final battle. And I swear if they are setting Hades to be the next antagonist…
I shouldn't be surprised Netflix gave the Death Note writers a second chance but here I am
Omg that “coolest sentence I’ve ever said but so underwhelming to watch” sums it up SO PERFECTLY. I noticed the tropes while watching with my brother but didn’t want to say anything bc “bleh you look too far into things” 🙄
I feel like this is a great direction for your channel and would love to see more! So many similar channels die off when they run out of content to discuss but this seems like a natual evolution. This way you can still discuss new series and seasons when they come out while still having new interesting content in the meantime.
This video: talks about how the idea of moms are good
Me: jokes on you I have two moms and their both bad parents
Just to be clear my moms are bad parents because their bad parents not because their gay
@@diegoowen-lara6229 yea that happens.
I have a paintball gun. Wanna borrow it? I'll fight them for you.
Can we get one Greek piece of media where Zeus isn’t portrayed in a positive light and is the villain. Also one where someone being the child of Zeus is played as a joke than something serious
I really enjoyed this. Female characters need to be treated as just that Characters. They're arent just one dimensional objects to make the men feel/do stuff either by dying or being a romantic interest. These aren't necessarily bad but they're not often done well. People are more than just one thing I guess is what I'm saying. Sorry for the rant 😅
but the women in BoZ aren't treated as their own characters, they're treated like objects, motivation for the men's journeys and nothing more
Characters-noun
Noun- object
Nice try.
@@ironpulcinella3586 is "night" an object?
because it is a noun
I have to say this: Never Have I Ever is an okay show which pulls the Dead dad trope and boy was I kind of happy to see that. It was about dealing with loss and also features an Indian family! I felt so represented with the way the mother was in that show. Totally different genre lol but stilln
After watching the trailer, I had no intention of watching the show... this just confirmed that.
Anyways, loved the video, even learned something very interesting about how to and how not to use tropes - I would definitely watch more Toxic Tropes videos :)
I made the mistake after hearing positive things on youtube
OSP's Trope Talk series isn't directed towards 'toxic tropes' (which I don't believe a trope can be toxic. They can be overdone but like any trope, they just need to be moderated). Trope Talk is just a series used to talk about and analyze the tropes, why/how they're used, where they are used well/bad. You never bring up the reason so many Disney characters don't have a mom: It's because Walt's mom died when he was young and that affected his writing. He knew what it was like to lose his mom and be raised by one parent. A writer's life often affects what they write. A lot of the characters you showed had both parents dead, not just the mom. Castlevania was certainly a lot better than BoZ but I don't think it was as bad as you make it out to be. It was a weird adaptation of the mythology but as someone who's into mythology especially the Greek kind, I appreciate most things based on it; It's the basis for a lot of my own stories.
I'll say now; Grecian lore has a lot of dying parents.
Yes, please keep doing toxic tropes. Don't stop doing your other content, it's all really good. But I've have followed your content for a while now, and this is one of your best pieces. MORE OF THIS XD
OMG. a collab between you and OSP would be perfection
Love this video!! I would love to see more like this! It’s so good to hear a guy actually calling out these tropes instead of just blindly defending them. Thanks for using your voice to uplift women and call attention to double standards in media.
when we learn how the Greek gods really were, we can commonly agree that hades is the only true decent God in the theology.
Jonathan Holliday I mean, Ares was also pretty decent. He was kind of a rage-fest (at least by Athenian portrayal, which is kinda sketchy), but he was also, like, the only one against rape, even taking Zeus/Poseidon to trial after he forced it with his daughter (and winning).
Hades the guy who kidnapped Persephone? Like yeah she did end up loving him but still
@@mangoesandgrapes688 the only god who is in a realtionship and isn't unhappy about it. And what you're refering to is one way of telling this story there is also the story were she loves him from the begining but doesn't want to leave her mother
@@marvinklatt4762 I haven’t heard that version, thanks
@@herosmith5662 I mean... Ares did often steal his brother's wife, though that marriage was forced
I thought you were talking about Hera. "You must have confused the mother with the father." I thought.
Then I realised that you were talking about Heron's BIRTH mother! And now I am enlightened! 😲
This is actually pretty accurate to the mythology, the gods were a reflection of their society and since they were bad to women most of the gods reflected this. Also Zeus sleeps with people almost all the time and every time Hera would get mad and either attempt to hunt the women or try to ruin their life as seen in the story of Heracles pretty much the only one she did not tried to kill was Perseus.
I would be on board if you did a collab with OSP!
I would love to see more of this series!
Please do a cross over with OSP! PLEASE!
Oh my god Yes.
I salivate.
I loved blood of zeus cuz it was like a classic Greek story and tragedy.
I mean i still like the show,i just accept the flaws of it XD
I kinda the saw the bullshiting of the plot,it was really predictable and all,but i like it and hope it gets bette with new seasons
@@ryomahoshi4529 Same, I predicted the mom dying in the first episode.
@@darwinxavier3516 same here XD
I was like"oop a caring and sweet mom,she is so going to die"