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You may not be fond of Glendale, but she is consistently the funniest to me.
I know right! I love her and I loved ep 3 "My Tummy, Your Hurts" she was so funny in that one!
I love her sm
I legit cackled over her Elizabeth Holmes-esque TED talk.
Agreed!
Yeah same lol
I completely disagree with you about the elktaur reveal. This is not a twist, this is worldbuilding. MW isn't a main character she's a side character. This was a story about the ripple effects from this one main event, not about the event itself.
I didn't like Rider's death fakeout. That would have upset me no matter how they took it unless they pulled a pokemon healing tears.
I thought they were going down a Horse having to give her life to save Rider's by fusing into one being path, and I'm honestly surprised that they didn't.
@@jessezeller-davis7699 Yeah, I really thought Horse and Rider were going to become a centaur
I was mad that rider lived tbh /: just don't give me a fake out death like that...
Speaking of... what ever happened with Horse’s magical tears that seemingly summoned the Whaletaur Shaman?
I thought that too but so far that I see when she cries she either has regular tears or rainbow tears. I can't tell if its supposed to be like that or it's just sheer laziness.
I think the series could have been stretched for three seasons, or at least it would have benefitted from a longer season 2.
This way they could have explored more the backstories (they did my boy Zulius so dirty) and set more of Ryder and Horse's world. In the end I didn't care much for the general and it seemed weird that Ryder didn't have anyone close besides her horse.
Also I would have liked more focus on the woman cause she was badass and deserved way more screentime.
Unfortunately, it really seems like the second season was painfully rushing to the finish line at the end due to budget and deadlines. They released the first season only 6 months ago after all. Really would have benefitted from them being able to evaluate their work and polish season 2 by making a few more episodes for it. If they were given a full year and a few extra months I'm sure they could have done it.
Yeah, I was really hoping we'd get to see Zulius's backstory after Horse's new power was revealed but nooo 😔
Well I think the final episode was meant to be three episodes, hence the fact that it's the length of three episodes. But yeah I'm pretty sure they were super rushed to get the second season out. I mean the first season came out in July this year. My guess is that Netflix wanted it over and done with because it didn't get super popular on their streaming site.
@@turnipcrazy4602 It was stupid popular lmao.
That was my thought. Two seasons just didn't seem like quite enough. I think three would have been ideal but I got the feeling, after watching it, like, there was more they could have done but clearly something prevented it (budget, Netflix, etc). Also, I'm emotionally stuck on the idea of the purple haired lady princess being married to the general for TEN YEARS and the weight of that emotional trauma being so barely brushed over. Also, did she know Elk was there the whole time?! Did she only find out until the end? She said she knew they'd divided but how? ...and this is why, in the likely near future, I'm going to have to do some fanfiction I was not anticipating. -.-
Spoilers ahead.
In defence of Rider refusing to kill the general, Horse did a shit job at explaining why it needed to be done. I was much more hung up over how much information Horse was withholding; her talk literally amount to _"we gotta kill him, trust me trust me"_, when it could have been so easy to summarize the Nowhere King's relation to the General.
With so little information, Rider's scepticism was legitimate. To me she was just respecting the chain of command or something.
Did she though? I remember horse explaining that the general and the nowhere king where linked as two halves of the same being and thus the general wouldn't kill him, just prolong the fight as long as possible
@@kanchomerocks12 horse did vaaaaguely. Horse said they were locked in an eternal war and the general would be unable to kill the nowhere king, so the logical step was to kill the general. It skipped a beat in the explanation, which would throw anybody off
Eh, it felt like she was panicking. Which, fair. I dunno, I feel we always expect characters to act rationally, even when we ourselves wouldn’t
Absolutely, I mean it was her way of justifying why her best friend just ran up to her and suggested high treason. It's not something you are just ok with.
But the way Rider said "you're just a horse" pissed me off so much for some reason! Like to me, the entire plot tells me Rider and Horse have one of the BIGGEST connections!!
Loved the second season a ton personally, but the more I thought of it, i got a little confused. Like the Nowhere King seemed like a huge ancient being but he's actually only been around a human life span? The human world managed to entirely forget that centuars existed within like 20-30 years max? Time lines just didn't seem to be built up the same way they played out
Yeah that’s what I was wondering too
My headcanon is that like, a hundred or so years have passed. The Nowhere King and General survived because of the powerful rift magic they used to create themselves.
The women survived because she also used rift magic once.
@@genericname2747 What about Wammawink? We SEE what the war with the nowhere king did to her home, and other characters like Jonny Teatime reference living through it. It's definitely possible to come up with reasons everyone lived so long, but the simpler explanation is that these events are a lot more recent
@@TheEnigmaticKasai good point
The Centaurs seem to remember the other side just fine, since all the Shaman know about the gate and many characters remember the war (and are actively hiding their trauma of it).
The human side is weirder about this, because Rider seems completely blindsided about it. Yes, presumably she was born a little while after the rift went down, but surely there would be cultural and historical knowledge of Centaurworld?
My fan theory is that the General suppressed all knowledge of Centaurworld among humans because he wanted to distance himself from his past. Remember, the entire show starts because he's trying to get his hands on the artifact, probably because he wants to hide it away somewhere so it can never be used to open the rift again.
I was disappointed that Horse was kept in her Centaurworld form rather than being a blend of both forms - such as resembling her old tough warhorse appearance but still having the white nose stripe blaze, brighter coloured coat, rainbow tears & talking tail. As I never liked the fact that she was essentially forced to accept her Centaurworld form because it was irreversibly permanent (apart when she entered the Elktaur’s memories - making it even more disappointing that she came back out of them still chibified 😑)
Once the shock wore off she seemed to like and accept her new identity. If anything I think horses new form looks great! Didn't feel forced to me
To each their own 🤷♀️
While I personally prefer her original horse form, I think it makes sense to let her be full Centaurworld.
Changing her back to normal horse will kinda ruin the message of the show. There's a reason why she change to Centaur design in the first place.
Agreed. Her body was changing without her will or knowledge and yet she was just told to suck it up it because it was wonderful which was...questionable.
I loved season one, especially the music. I actually CRIED during "what if I forget your face" and got chills during "who is she" and its reprise. One big issue with season 2 is that there isn't any connection to the music. The songs felt like they were 30 seconds long, there were no reprises (other than season one stuff) and none of the songs had the deep, gut-wrenching tone and lyrics needed to be comparable with s1 songs. Even in the last episode. (Spoilers) if they had just tied all of the princess's and elktaur's songs together throughout that episode, it would have been more cohesive. Instead, I can't remember a single s2 song.
I think you’ve hit the nail on the head. Every song in season 1 had an emotion and either a character or plot moment. A lot of the seas 2 songs come out of nowhere, the golden ripule of musicals is that your characters start singing when there’s to much emotion to talk and season 1 nailed this.
FINALLY
I've been unable to put my finger of why. The season 2 songs are good, but they're not cohesive or integrated into the story well like season 1
exactly, I think this disappointed me the most since I adored the music in fhe first season and really helped with capturing the emotions of the story. but in the second season, with a majority of the songs being reprised from s1, it felt like the show was just trying to remind me of the feelings i had in s1 instead of trying to build new ones
The songs feel more like an obligation in the second season. Like, in the first one the songs were nessisary to understand the story, and were integrated beautifully. And every single one was a banger. Season 2, the songs felt like they were just there because they had to be. Decently catchy, but too short, the topics aren't as fun, and you could skip most of them and still be just fine watching the show. Besides Breathe in a bag, I fucking love that one lol
Yeah the songs I like most are Becky Apples, Flat Dallas and the last lullaby pt 1. Oh and breathe in a bag has grown in me. Everything else I like is fairly short or not that memorable.
I think that they could have dropped the first 4 episodes of Horse in Centaurworld and replaced them with Rider in the human world. Because like you said, Horse got to achieve her best self in season 1. Maybe the show could focus on Rider's insecurities with Horse choosing her herd over her and (my headcanon here) how people she feels close to always leave/die. I thought it was weird that Rider had no close human friends in season 2. She would confront her fear of losing people and bond with the apple thieves + the General. The increased screentime would make the General's betrayal feel more impactful and particularly devastating to Rider.
Agree; they could have at least done more flashes over to Rider, let her be the B plot in those episodes. They had a decent set up for Rider having almost a father daugther want from the General, and if they expanded on it, that reveal would have been so much more impactful- along with her unwillingness to believe horse feeling less--- in denial? or mean? Idk, that scene just didn't hit right for me.
Yeah Rider was sorely lacking character development and screentime, I believe. Aside from Horse caring for her, we never really get an opportunity to dive into what sort of person Rider is, and how the situation is affecting her.
We know she's a child soldier who lost her parents to minotaurs. There's a lot of potential there that could be expanded upon. The apple theives were kinda interesting even though they only showed up for like 5 minutes and contributed nothing to the plot; how about they become friends with Rider over a couple episodes and actually help her infiltrate the minotaur fortress? How about Rider spends more time with the general, and as Squicade said, he starts to become something like a father figure to Rider and she bonds with him over that. That'd be very interesting, and would make the betrayal during the finale WAY more impactful.
Definitely, more time on the human world would have given much more impact to the season end and twist. It would also help the world-building, which felts lacking this season.
Had they shown the General + rider, they could have expanded more the trust between Horse and Rider by making Rider the one that mortally wounds the general to show she really believes Horse.
I was honestly expecting this season to be mostly about Rider, with her and Waterbaby as main characters. I think that would've worked a lot better and we could have just seen horse and the gang return with all the season 1 centaurs at the end
That actually would have been pretty good since Riders moments were some of the best (but that's just my opinion cause I love Rider)
Another pitfall this season is that I feel like the writers of the show made decisions for the fans assuming we would all hate Wammawink so they pushed her back this new season. I LOVE Wammawink and I wanted more of her. Honestly I love her singing most out of all the cast and I wanted more of her backstory rather than Chet's (I don't care if Chet wants to be a tulip stepper. I wish they would have been more clear why he is a donk to Horse.)
I mean, I think they showed why Chet doesn't like horses pretty well. A mix of being laughed at by the other Centuars for wanting to be a tulip stepper and what that creepy kid did to him. It heavily implies poor chet was probably tormented by that kid. It was more of a show don't tell type of situation though. Plus it also kinda indecates in the last season that Chet's bio mom had been cheating on his dad with their dentist and since they happened to live in the Centuars™️ walls that the guy his mom cheated with was probably a Centuar™️.
I GOT SO SAD WHEN THEY SAID WAMMAWINK HAD NO FANS the poor baby hadn’t gone through enough?????
Ched is my favorite, I was glad to see his backstory. I'm pissed that they shafted Zulius'
I felt that her arc (overprotectiveness) was mostly resolves at the end of season 1.
@@Folomus In this season she just comes off as self-absorbed :(
honestly man, I'm gonna say it: the show would've been exponentially better if they kept it as a tragedy with the cotton candy overtones and just killed Rider. I was practically sobbing and that point, and her magically coming back in the epilogue musical number honestly cheapened the entire experience for me.
I wholeheartedly agree, it's a weird emotional whiplash. She was bleeding out the whole time and is just suddenly better. It didn't sit too well with me, because it just killed the moment.
IKR. I was bawling. I was thinking about how the show could've explored how they grieve her death and that you don't need the person you idolize to sustain your own existence. BUT THEN, BOOP, SHE'S ALIVE.
i saw someone say the expected rider and horse to fuse and be like the opposite of the nowhere king, and honestly that wouldve been awesome
Completely agree. I wish the show had the emotional maturity to go through with riders death and horse's mourning, since it seemed to have that emotional maturity in other places in the show.
@@cowboymagpie Aw yeah that would've been cool. I wouldn't even have minded if they fused afterwards, but they just brought her back for basically no reason
11:06 Completely agree, Rider felt WAAAAY out of character here dismissing Horse the way she did. I get why she’d find the truth hard to believe & to be fair Horse didn’t explain it in a way that made it easier to absorb (not that they had much time but still)
And I could forgive her fake out death if we saw more of how she was saved - like Horse giving up all her magic to save her, maybe reverting back to her old non-talking form as a result of her sacrifice which would’ve made the ending far more bittersweet & make it seem like something far more than just appearing revived out of nowhere.
Yeah I agree, Rider felt shockingly out of character calling Horse "just a horse". However because of the scenes that happen after, I'm not sure how else to go about it.
In the time it took Horse to say “I have to talk to you” and for them to go behinds a rock to talk she could of just said how the The Nowhere King was connected to the other dude. I hated how the No Where King is free but there was no urgency. It should have been literally no time to talk. And everything still could have played out just the same.
But we see Rider idolizes the General. Talking to him the first time one on one is the first time we see her stammering and truly in awe of something or someone. Even all the near death and magic, didn't seem to effect her as much as just talking to the General. I thought that showed just how important he was to her. Her life is the army and he is her commander. He's a leader that everyone seems to follow without question. He's so charming, charismatic and even handsome. He symbolizes everything Rider is fighting for. Given all of this, I wasn't surprised Rider refused to believe Horse about him.
@@Nightengale90 that is true! I wish they had one more scene together to really establish Rider’s loyalty
@@bigalonBitstrips Literally the first thing we ever see Rider do is risk life and limb for the artifact he wanted just because he said it was important and she didn't even know what he looked like at that point. I don't see how they could have shown she idolises this man more than that.
The Nowhere King is absolutely the best plot in the entire show. I felt a consistent uncaring for most of season 2, but that finally hit HARD, and it's even more impressive when you realize that there was barely any substantial built up, it nails it all one it's own!
The Nowhere King is the BEST thing in this show! He's one of the best villains I've seen since Demona from Gargoyles! Demona is my favorite villain EVER!
I see what you are saying, about the twist
But the twist about the general being part of the nowhere king thats not the shocking reveal.
The shocking reveal is that the Nowhere king was created by centaurworld and Man, that it was the darkness of these societies that helped craft this tragic monstrous being,
That's a good point about what ultimately created the Nowhere King. It was Elktaur's own self hatred and the cruelty of both worlds that ultimately created the Nowhere King. Elktaur felt he didn't fit in Centaurworld even when he was a Centaur. His angular design reflected that, so it makes sense he assumed Centaurworld would reject him even more harshly as an Elk now. Elk felt rejected by both worlds. That loneliness and his obsession of wanting to stay near the Princess even when she didn't know him, coupled with jealousy at her being happily married to the General lead down a dark path.
I was pretty disappointed with Philip Bonecruncher's character arc. Like, I figured he would end up being a part of the herd. But he went from hating how Durpleton treated him to treating Durpleton like a father? Over the span of a few minutes? And being centaurified made him a child? It was just really weird for me. And it was sad how little Wamawink and Horse had this season. Loved the NWK twist tho.
Also I think this season had too much Comfortable Doug :,) personal preferences.
if you dig into it a little, I think Stabby liked having a dad - what he hated was that Durpleton didn't listen to him. Which as we learn meant Durpleton was falling back into the same patterns as his own father, albeit in a more affectionate manner. Thinking back, there's definitely a theme in general of Durpleton simply not listening to people in general.
Fortunately, through the power of singing Durpleton learns some things~
Tbh Stabby saved the majority of season 2 for me, it felt like he mimicked horse’s transformation but wound up embracing so much faster because he didn’t have a fulfilling childhood. Its an interesting look at emotional healing through age regression.
I very much agree with you about comfortable doug, it felt so forced how much they included him, even in the credits of the finale he was the last voice we heard :/
Not sure if this was intended, but I got a lot of enjoyment from the humor of other characters every now and again highlighting the weird dynamic and tonal inconsistency of Philip and Durtpleton's dynamic. Like Ched mentioning Durpleton is babying a 47 year old grown man, or Philip reminding the group in his cutesy baby form that he's slaughtered many people, several of his own kind, a fact which haunts his conscience.
I think it would have been better if he had more lines at the beginning, in the first episodes he has little to no lines, he remained passive for a lot of time and then BOOM: centaur-fied and ok with Derpleton being his "father". that felt weird
@@TheDeadlyShoe i completely agree w you about stabby!! also to the original commenter, I also agree about comfortable doug ;w;;; I love him but it seems like they knew he was a fan favorite and overused him a tad bit
Mostly agree, all things considered.
Agree WHOLLY on the General being an unfortunate waste and Horse/Wammawink having almost nothing to do most of the time. And yes I let myself believe they'd kill both Rider and NWK just to see what happened, I wasn't wholly disappointed but it would've been bolder to end both of them.
The music is my personal taste bit and, to me, the first season had some fire while season 2 really dropped the musical ball until the ending episode or two. I still sing season 1 songs to myself. I can't really recall any season 2 songs except reprises which the show is admittedly good at using overall.
Gotta disagree with Comfortable Dig-Dug though. First season had him down pat, limited exposure makes him a delight while this time it felt like they made him the "wolverine" character and just stuffed him in constantly.
Overall I do love this show. Endings make a lot of shows for me and the ending was (mostly) just beautifully done.
Spoilers ahead!
Although this season has it's downside for me (I liked the CentaurTM episode fine but the Coldtaurs really dragged), I gotta say the finale hooked me in.
I loved it. I didn't even care so much I didn't give two damns about the general because the backstory was just so damn good.
And it may sound bad but I was so happy they went through with it and killed him.
I feel like the Nowhere king backstory is the first sympathetic villain origin story done right for a long time now, and it's all thanks to what Horse says to him. The fact that she may feel sorry for him doesn't magically fix the pain he put everyone through.
He is too far gone, he hurt too many people and I am so glad the show recogniezed that instead of forcing any of the characters he hurt to play his therapist and try to redeem him. This "victim is responsible for fixing their abuser" shtic tires me immenesly and I am so happy we don't get that for once.
YES! You sumarize my feelings perfectly!
I love how the woman (I genuinely don't know her name, if she has one I couldn't find it :( ) has her first song about how love is so horrible corrupting force, and then her last lullaby is her having finally realised that how she was treated was never love, it was a controlling obsession, and with that she's finally able to kill him, because it's not a betrayal in her eyes anymore.
I was about to say! I really like how sad and almost pitiful the Nowhere King’s backstory is that it makes you feel sorry for him, yet you know what’s coming to him. It makes you feel sympathy for him, but it still keeps you away from wishing for a redemption arc. What he did was horrible and no redemption arc could “fix” it. He really was just a tormented soul who hated himself so much.
👏👏👏 So many times shows cater to the perpetrators of abuse and not the actual victim. It is very invalidating for people who suffer. It is a much better route to just tell it like it is.
@@childoflight3388 p r e a c h 👏
I personally didn't like the second season that much, mostly because one thing I enjoy a LOT is worldbuilding and that wasn't as big in the second season (or at least not in the way I liked) and yes, the songs were a big issue for me. There weren't many and most of them weren't good. But I really enjoyed the finale and will probably watch the series again, maybe second watch will give me insight that I missed on the first viewing.
Also, Rider does NOT have a new horse, because quoting her: "That is no one's horse..."
I think she was the princess' horse
Becky Apples has no master. Becky Apples is destruction incarnate. All hail Becky Apples
@@albaroqueso They said she was originally Gary's horse
@@thedancingpikachu and look where he is now
Also who is Trevor
I liked season 2 okay but I think it was rushed for sure, it isnt the crews fault, netflix should have given them more time and money imo
I heard there was original going to be one season, but They split it into two
Netflix has the tendency to cancel a series whenever they feel like it - remember Final Space? 12 Forever? The Dragon Prince? Stretch Armstrong? All good (except for 12 Forever, whose main character was a little b-word) and all gone.
The makers of Centaurworld probably tried to beat them to the punch, make a short sweet series and complete it before they pull the plug.
@@alarkhar Is The Dragon Prince cancelled?!?!
@@Master-Works Not sure, but I haven't heard a peep about it for months - maybe a year.
@@alarkhar To be fair, 12 Forever (which I liked) had all of the ... stuff, that happened with the creator. Which is super unfortunate. I hope Dragon Prince isn't cancelled, thought they had 5 or 6 seasons planned to close out the story.
To be honest, i thought season 2 was both good and bad at the same time, i mean the finale was pretty good but as for the rest of the plot they could've done a lot more with it but sadly the season was too short for that.
You can pretty much say that about the entire series as a whole. It has its good moments and it’s bad, think about what happened in the beginning of the show: it started out interesting and then it got weird. What I’m trying to say is the creators had the intention to complete their series and they did that.
It felt short, and also like they spent to much time on the wrong things in those first few episodes- like the focus was off which knee-capped the time spent on character development and the plot.
If I had a nickel for every time I've seen a main character's best friend get impaled by somebody they thought they could trust on a kids show, I'd have two nickels, which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice
Dude... Too soon
Everyone getting Marcy’d in the stomach it seems these days
i want to know what the FUCK is up with becky apples. Lol she's gary (the skeleton)'s horse but she weirdly OP. Also how did gary get seperated from her and end up in the moletaurs' jail until he died!?
I felt more sorry for the elk half than the human half which feels weird since they were the same person but the human half was selfish and evil as fuck for not only locking a part of himself in a dungeon after trying to drown him, but letting this war go on when he could have stopped it and then stabbing rider...
Maybe Gary was the last person the general sent to fetch the artefact, he also got transported by it, but unlike Horse he let go of it meaning it didn't get transported with him?
@@wendyheatherwood Gotta give you an internet beer, that theory makes so much sense and it's the first time I see this mentioned!
And I wonder if Becky can talk now after going to Centaurworld but she chooses not to.
They have more set up and pay off for minor-ish stuff, like Gary the Skeleton, and the tiny versions of themselves. Wish they could have done the same with the big bad :((
Comfortable Doug had like a scene in every episode this season, and they totally wrote the Witch Princess out of the show until the finale. XD
@@MRDLT00 Comfortable Doug really did feel kind of forced in
@@lukeduran12 Nothing against Comfortable Doug, but damn he eclipsed any and all screen time Zulius and Wammawhick got combined. XD
Lmao even Gebbrey had a bigger pay off with his jacket
Personally I'm glad that they finished the story in 2 seasons rather than hoping for a 3rd and getting cancelled. Netflix (and all media companies) have a habit of cancelling legitimately good animated shows, so it's very satisfying to me to see one that's actually concluded, even if it was a little bit rushed.
Preach it, brother.
RIP The Dark Crystal series
Comfortable Doug felt a bit over used in season 2 to the point where he was just annoying. His ability to virtually dig from anywhere at anytime like a Mary Sue like with the jail scene and Water Baby, felt really odd.
One question I have in regards to the style blend-age is why does Centaurworld look so much like the 'real' world when the No-Where King was in his elk-taur form? What made the world more cutesy and cartoony? Was it due to the divorce of the keys?
We got more of comfortable doug and the moletaurs than Rider.
Let that sink in.
I'm glad you brought up the art style thing. I wondered why Elktaur looked so "normal" and not squishy like most of the centaurs we see.
i will forever be amused to how they literally made an episode poking fun at internet critics and then immediately got (albeit gently) slammed by all the youtube critics
Missed opportunity to demonstrate how Rider and Horse are a foil to both halves of the Nowhere King by having them fused into a centaur.
Half expected that with water baby's little light puppets, but I don't think it would've worked since the Nowhere King's story was a bit of a cautionary tale about trying to be something you're not, not necessarily how good being a centaur is. Perhaps it might've if it had been the only way to save Rider maybe? Still, would've been a big of a bummer given how the last season was about Horse finding peace with who she is
And they would just be a minotaur. It seemed like they need to originally be that way for it to even work and they wouldn't even be friends anymore and their relationships would have to change. They would be one creature with parts lost until they became centaurified and be a new person. Who wants to fuse with their bestie and become a new person?
Oh lord, that is just a bad idea. That opens a whole can of worms about whose who and also kinda undermines the idea of trying to be you know... yourself.
I really thought they were going that direction and got excited
Personally I would have liked the majority of season 2 on the human side to then cutting to the centaur weirdness.
Like...there was no time given to the Woman and she was amazing. First season she was semi intimidating and semi a joke. Then this season she is a bad roommate but also a princess? How did she change from Princess to Woman? How did she find out about the elk?
I just found her so interesting and there was no real answers?
Also, STRIPES ON STRIPES IS CANON!!!
I think they gave her so little time because her story ties so heavy into the Nowhere Kings. They didn't get the time to do both characters justice, so they focus on the more important one.
I actually like the fact they kept the Mysterious Woman well... mysterious.
SPOILER/ Nowhere King ending good parallel for Horses Story
I Feel like the twist with the General worked due to how it represents self hatred that the Elk centaur had for himself. The General and the Elk are the SAME BEING but the human half had so much disdain and disgust for its animal counterpart that her tried to drown it and then, when he realized it wouldn't work, PUT HIS ANIMAL SELF IN A CAGE WITH NO LIGHT AND NO ROOM TO STAND FOR 10 YEARS! (Can you imagine hating yourself that much!) They hinted that the Elk centaur resented being a centaur because th centaurs never took anything seriously and the humans just viewed them as help but the lengths the Elk centaur went to in the short time he was on screen was frightening and very moving in a very empathetic way. The Princess said it best in the final lullaby- he is a pitiful creature.
The Elk Centaurs story also connects back to Horse and her transformation and relationship to Rider. Horse bever doubted that she and Rider were equals UNTIL her body became less tough and strong and more squishy and cutetsy. Horse learns to love her squishy body second season (lamenting it when she reverts back to her buff self in the Nowhere Kings mind) and trusts in the fact that Rider will still know her and love her no matter what form she takes. Horse had her doubts and depression from these changes but confirmation from her herd is what kept her strong.
The Elk Centaur never felt connected to the other Centaurs nor did he feel good enough for the humans which is why, aside from obviously going mad being locked in a cage, he made horrible choices based on his insecurities before eventually becoming the monster that is the Nowhere King.
YESS WELL SAID
Totally agree!!! You put it so well as to why it all worked!
They really expected me to feel bad when the General stabbed Rider when she told her trusted companion who she spent all of last season searching for and believed in her to round up an army of Centaurs as "Just a horse". There is no way Rider would trust in the General more than Horse, especially since she didn't even know what he looked like until a few days ago and Horse had just got out of visiting the Nowhere King's mind. Had they made the General a character in season one and we see him be a father figure or hero to her I would buy it but no, Rider just became arrogant for the plot just for a cheap fake-out death.
This
@Sweet.Dreamer Thing is I can see what they were going for but with how little screen time the General had it just wasn't convincing enough that Rider would trust him or see him as her personal hero and pick him over Horse. A nervous chat when they first meet and a 20 second song isn't enough IMO
If your dog told you to kill your hero after disappearing and then getting an ability to talk jumping in to a evil guys using magic you know nothing about head we’re it could have been manipulated or fed false info about the nowhere king would you believe it?
@Sweet.Dreamer yeah more general and rider character development would have been nice
@Sweet.Dreamer but the thing is HOrse just went on a complete journey trying to get back to rider and made good on her word about the troops at this point. Horse has been shown to be capable and a war stratagist before this scene and now Rider is acting like shes bonkers?
One of the main things which bugged me (other than the drop in music quality) was the noticeable drop in animation quality. I don't wanna sound nitpicky or like I think animation is easy, or that the crew got lazy... But it is an *animated* show, and when the bar was set so high in season one... Being able to catch animation errors without even needing to pause to see them kinda irked me. And errors aside, it was generally just less smooth and less visually impressive until those few scenes were you can tell they really went all out. If they were gonna give any scenes special attention though, I'm glad it was the scenes they chose to focus on.
I noticed this too! Especially when Rider was on screen, the HARSH drop in animation quality was so noticeable. The Generals musical number and the scenes before and after were so very different in animation quality. S2 is honestly trash in my opinion, seasons 1 is so much better
I noticed it the most in "The Ballad of Becky Apples" It was like they tried to make it look like nice smooth 24 frame animation but just removed frames instead of effectively using smear frames and limited animation
Comfortable Doug or Flat Dallas using the tiny versions as nipple tassels was peak comedy and I laugh until I cry whenever I think about it.
I absolutely love wammawink and her beautiful voice. She is the motherly and overprotective friend that many of us have had or are. She is needy, clingy and overbearing at times but this comes from her childhood trauma. Her codependency towards her friends, inability to be rejected, and intense fear of losing her herd lead me to believe she could possibly have ptsd. I can honestly relate to her so much even though I know where a lot of her "quirks" stem from. Her personality is so bubbly and infectious. My favorite character hands down.
Pretty much the exact same words I used to express my own love for Wammawink, I like you
She reminds me a lot of Pearl from Steven Universe and I love Pearl
I seriously thought the general was going to turn out to be Rider’s dad.
They look exactly alike and the general kept calling rider “Kid” .
Like, c’mon, that could have been juicy
I thought the same thing
Imagine if she was General and Woman's daughter and Rider is a princess. There is a scene in the Last Lullaby with a couple with a baby that LOOKS like Rider, but her caretakers look nothing like her.
I can’t say it didn’t cross my mind
that would make her 1/4 elk
@@scharb "Rider, why do you keep eating those leaves?" "I...I dunno, they just look delicious to me."
Mostly I was confused because I thought the plan was for Horse to train the army. Horse is a soldier, not a diplomat, of course they wouldn't need her for the recruitment portion, but then Horse never actually trained anyone. Horse not having anything to do was part of the point, but why wasn't Horse training anyone?
Horse didn't have time to train anyone. It was pointed out in Episode 7 or 8, Horse was going to start training the centaurs the next day but NWK attacked before they had a chance to prepare.
I always thought the show had too many songs. I think they should use their songs more sparingly and focus on quality over quantity.
Same! Almost my favorite songs ended up being in the season 2 finale because I felt like those were more quality songs.
1)Last Lullaby Part 1
2)Once Shattered, Now Whole
3)General’s Battle Song
4)Nothing Good
5)Elk Tour Suite Part 6
6)Elk Tour Suite Parts 3 & 4
7)The Nowhere King
8)Elk Tour Suite Part 1 & 2
9)Elk Tour Suite Part 5
10)Rider’s Lullaby
11)Battle Round
When I saw the stone carvings at the end of season 1, I thought that mysterious Lady and the NWK once had the same relationship as Horse and Rider. I thought that their backstory would be really similar to each other until something traumatic happened, and they reacted in different ways: horse and Rider fighting for each other to be together again, while mysterious Lady and NWK went for each others throat/betrayed each other which then caused NWK to turn into what he is today.
Honestly, the twist just made me wonder more about TNK and his goals. Like, I rewatched the rift pt2 and came to realize that I have no idea what he wants. In the rift, his only goal was to leave, which makes sense considering how he's been isolated and locked up for god knows how long. When Magic lady shows up, he basically surrenders to her, thinking she will 'set him free', what free means is varied. He was willing to die by her hand. Even when he traps her, he's incredibly gentle compared to all the other times he did so.
In season 2, however, we have no clue what his goals are. He makes monsters but as far as I can tell, doesn't attack anyone. His minotaurs did when he was trapped but I don't know if they did in season 2. The only time anyone was hurt on the human side was when the general attacked him. Even in the flashback, there is no clear explanation as to what TNK was actually doing. The general orchestrated a war just to maintain 'balance' but at this point, it feels like TNK was defending himself, creating an army to keep from being imprisoned again.
I'm pretty sure that's not the impression the show is going for since they present TNK as the big bad. But as far as I can tell, he hasn't done anything proactively so...
Honestly yeah, at first I assumed he just wanted revenge on his human half and too free himself from his miserable life doing so, but now that you mention it, it really makes no sense for him to create an army or start a war. I wonder if (and really hope that) the creators will ever explain that somewhere, somehow
@@w..1113 The General asked the Nowhere King what his goal was and he said more suffering. As long as they lived the Nowhere King wouldn't stop causing suffering until someone killed him. The General would never kill the Nowhere King because he wanted to keep living out his fantasy of being an important and very respected human. He didn't care if both worlds were destroyed in the process. Just as long as he could keep living out his ultimate fantasy.
I think the Nowhere King kept making a bigger army to punish the General however he could, but really just wanted his suffering to end and if it wouldn't then both worlds would suffer along with him.
I didn't think it was that complicated? He just wants to keep hurting everyone and everything for as long as he exists. There's no goal, no ultimate plan. Just suffering.
Why does everyone hate derpleton, He's such a sweet misunderstood boy. Derpleton was my favorite... Glendale was my least favorite but I still loved her, especially the episode where she full on becomes a therapist for no reason.
I think season 2 lagged in some places but not in the places your thinking. I think season 2 should've gotten two extra episodes with Ryder and also explaining a lot more of the worldbuilding. More about Ryder's people, and also and explanation why there are references to modern technology and concepts. Like are we all gonna pretend the fucking BOMB ARROW didn't happen? What about the no where king CASUALLY MENTIONING RADIATION???? Also what about that monster fuser machine? I'd love to get a little more backstory on these elements. Also I didn't care much for the general and at first I though it was okay he didn't get much character development but now... like looking back on it.. yeah he was a little underbaked. Also the fake out death was kinda lame, It would've been better if Ryder died.. would've made it much more impactful.
If I had to do a redo of the season, first four episodes keep the centaurs and horse the b plot and let Ryder have her own story. Make this General have more of a personal connection to Ryder which makes the betrayal so much more powerful.
Durpleton in Season 1 was SO DAMN ANNOYING. His whole character was literally fart dad jokes, food, and singing about said farts and food.
Thankfully they redeemed him in season 2 by making him into a loving father to stabby, but man season 1 Durpleton was just so bad.
For the longest time I kept forgetting Durpleton’s name, but now he’s #1 Dad to Lil’ Stabby! Sure I wanted to throttle Glendale during the coldtaur episode but that precious little klepto surprised me! Apart from the cringey social media episodes (those hatchlings were *freaky)* and Rider dismissing her best friend for a dude we never even saw until halfway through the Final Season the thing I disliked most was Elktaur’s final fate.
Yes I know he did bad stuff but (who I consider to be) way worse characters have been given second chances. He’ll look at Orochimaru in Naruto: murdered countless, experimented on innocents, helped kill the Sandaime (I hated that old bastard anyway but still) and ... what? He’s not only allowed to continue living in the village he wanted to destroy but they also let him have a kid?!
@@LadyLeomon Oh they weren’t just bad. The whole time Elktaur was separated, both halves of himself became monsters both emotionally and literally. He was at war with himself for years, and dragged thousands along with him, killing and/or Scarring them for life. What Elktaur did, both as the general and the nowhere king were irreparable, and even if the woman forgave him, he could never live with such guilt. That’s why she offed his tortured soul.
Ghool Goth sure it makes sense story-wise but but I still think he was more redeemable than some villains who have been forgiven for waaay worse, like in Dragonball Super - just because his power level is needed Goku’s fine with buddying up with Frieza? (But then again I’ve always considered Goku to be the series’ retarded mascot (I hate using that word but I really can’t think of any other word to describe how stupidly unliveable he is sometimes!)
Yeah all the use of modern technology really just felt out of place
"We dive into each character's backstory"
Except for Zulius T_T
Rider’s refusal to kill the general would’ve worked better if he was more involved in S1 or her dad.
Also I did like the reveal that De-centaur-fycation creates two different beings. Kinda reminded me of Soma and Robot from Invincible.
My only real problem with that is due to how obsessive The General is with the Woman, they would also have to make her the mother, and I can see how they wouldn't really want to do that.
Plus, I won't lie, it is pretty refreshing having characters who are unrelated to the Big Bad, and are more dealing with the after effects. At this point nearly everyone has to do that in some manner.
TBH, had they spent just one episode with rider and the general, telling the story from his perspective on the realm before the war, his love for the Princess and the war, it would have gives much more weight to the ending, given some necessary characterization to rider and added some needed world building.
@@Folomus I personally feel the first episode was sufficient to show that. She threw herself head first into danger for a trinket she had no understanding of for a man she had never met. What could make it clearer she has an idealised deific version of the General in her mind?
My only opinion that is spoiler-free about season 2 is: RUSHED. I don't know if it was fault of the team, or maybe of Netflix giving them not enough time and resources... but it all feel very rushed in the last episoded and how some charcters development is either non-existent or very quick-done even in singular scenes in the first episoded where there are also very dragged comedic scenes that in the complex felt like robbed time from more important plot points, which would not be a problem if they had then more episoded to balance off with them... and then the animations... oh boy, in season 1 I was so hooked on the quality of animations even in the more comedic and the little details...
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they sure did Wammawink dirty this season... they kinda saved Glendale with the cold-taur episode and her backsory, but I feel like they could've explored more the whole "voice in the tummy-portal" to truely express at the best her "funny but deeply unsettingly clever character" bit...
I stan the hate for Derpelton... his backstory was very well done but the whole "parent of lizard minotaur" was really weird and half cooked at the beginning only to be pretty good in a snap of fingers at the end...
and Rider should've stayed dead... the whole ending song felt a bit weird for me, seeing her well, alive and happy felt more strange than heartwarming... but oh man if the Nowhere King backstory was so good, they really could have used more time to flash out the General so that we could care more about him in the big reveal...
Honestly my biggest problem with the last season is that it really missing two episodes, the general episode, where we can see him being a likable character/ his lies and toxic traits . And then a purple lady episode where they give her backstory, and how she was hurt from the general. Like the final episode was amazing , but they did not explore the two most important characters at ALL
Because they aren't? They're side characters in Horse's story.
@@shadenox8164 this isn’t just horses story? The story is literally about re uniting two worlds that were torn apart through a war/ the no where king. It is told by watching horse but it isn’t her story alone. Plus we literally get a moment in the show when horse was in front of the bears cave about to attempt to recruit him for the war, which would of been a great way for horse to interact with purple hair. But the writers instead use this as a gage and horse runs away after hearing a roar
@@shadenox8164 and they are some of the most important characters? They both are directly responsible for how the worlds were spilt in two and an endless war for the humans started
I was very disappointed by this season, but then the last episode saved it all.
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So I have a note about your #1 problem with the finale:
So personally the way I received the messaging of The No Where King's human half getting zero character development goes back to the song The No Where King sang right before he separated himself from being a centaur "Draw out the beast, part of me. Let it find a way of it's own. My body can no longer be it's home." contrary to the No Where King's belief the "beast" part of him was never the Elk, it was the human, the general, the one who gave into carnal desires of lust and greed, and so tried to murder his other half, and upon finding out it wouldn't work imprisoned and torchered his other half, and then blamed him for the abuse by calling him "gross", those moments were the generals character development, as little as we were lead to care about him is exactly how we should feel about him, because he is and always was the true beast, the reason that Rider felt differently is because it's the only way she knows how to feel, it can be nearly impossible to accept that everything you've ever known and fought for was a lie, no matter how little you personally know your leader.
Totally agree with all you just said! The General really was the 'beast' in the end!
I got it was hard for Rider to hear the very thing she devoted her life to, the man she idolized, it was all a lie! That's a lot to ask of anyone to accept it in an instant!
I guessed that Rider wouldn't die, but that's because I thought Stabby was FORESHADOWING. Stabby was..stabbed. In the first episodes, its clearly dead, limp and unresponsive except when the knife got removed and replaced. Then it starts struggling, finally even talking. We know one of Horse's first signs of being affected by Centaurworld magic was talking. When Stabby transforms like Horse did, he can remove and replace the knife in his back as he pleases. And how did the General 'kill' Rider? By stabbing her.
It seemed to make sense so when she was just revealed to be fine, no explanations, that was a plot twist to me.
Them using Centaurworld magic to keep her alive until she toon-ified enough for her health to stabilize would have been amazing payoff for everything with Stabby (which on its own has some deeply disturbing implications... but I suppose that's the tone of the whole show).
I really just wondered why on earth they didn't end up saving rider using the key. I mean, she just got better? You had 2 halves of a centaur RIGHT THERe and just built on the idea that it was possible. I have no idea why they didn't have rider be saved by becoming a centaur with horse.
That would have been so cool. Instead of being separated by hatred (Elktaur), Rider and Horse would have been united by love.
Um, the key doesn't work that way - Rider and Horse would have been fused together, all right: fused together into a monstrous Horse minotaur, a fusion that has been all but stated to be permanent.
@@alarkhar yeah and they would be the same person and not friends. The other minotaurs are pretty much a new creature that faintly has some aspects of the parts, but its not the same as if they were born that way in centaur world.
That would have been horrible.
Yes she got better after being stabbed in the side and passing out. She could have died from it, but that doesn't mean she would die from it. Look at the location.
It felt rushed. We barely saw the general and then they made that twist as if its a big thing.
Honestly the second they showed the elktaur, I figured out the plot, but that's speaking from someone who lives off of TV Tropes. I do agree that it's rushed though as there were some plot points that seem to trail off without resolution. For example, they set up the human kids Rider meets in the forest that knocked her out as if they were gonna be like crucial but they were just one and done.
@@melonpalooza Interesting, I had the impression that the season dragged on. First 4 episodes felt sooooo long and unimportant.
Mmmmm....yeah, you got a point. As much as I love the new season, I can't deny that it did feel pretty weak in the first few episodes. I don't mind them travelling to new locales and meeting new centaurs, some of them were kinda interesting, but it wasn't really until the Backstory magic came into play that I got really invested. And yeah, the songs just aren't as catchy or memorable. I remember most of the season 1 songs, but only a few of the season 2 ones.
Of course, this is all disregarding the final few episodes and the big finale, which I absolutely loved! Only thing about the finale I didn't like was the fakeout with Rider's death. Like seriously, you have this whole, VERY moving and very powerful song that is very much setting up that Rider is dying, and then have her appear to straight up DIE ON SCREEN (NGL I straight up gasped when that happened)... and then next scene she's fine except for a bandage on her head?! Like, you couldn't have shown her being taken to be healed, or at least established that it was a long time between scenes or something?
That said, one thing I was 100% on board with was Durpleton's sidestory of becoming a dad to Stabby, and Stabby becoming more and more accepting of him as his adoptive father (despite being not just one of their enemies, but possibly being even older than him). And that speech Durpleton gives his abusive father at the end about how he's learned to be a dad, and learned to see what a bad dad is... can't lie, it hit hard. Maybe because I'm a dad myself, but I loved this little mini arc.
The way they setup all the Fusion Magic only to use it to put Elktaur back together before killing him makes it feel like they planned a Horse-Rider fusion centaur being the death scene resolution and cut it for some reason.
A lot of people are being way too harsh on season 2. Yes, the first few episodes were very meandering and filler but the last few episodes made it all worth. I love the backstory of the Nowhere King and the battle and the twist reveals and endings. I think this season would have been way better as a 2.5 hour film rather than separate episodes because so much fell flat in the earlier episodes. I very much agree that season 2 was rushed.
To think I used to love this fandom now almost everyone is shit talking about it.
What's done is done.
Let it be. Don't blame the writers blame the people who forced them. Their deadline wasn't long enough and this is the end result I personally think it's great.
@@zcgamerandreacts2762 Agreed with the both of you.
“Meandering and filler”??? Dude you’re nicer than me, I legit felt my brain melting every time I saw those pansy-looking tulip centaurs and those _creepy_ social media chicks 😖😖😖
Some episodes were just bad, and just because some episodes were REALLY good, doesn't change what is bad.
@@lukeduran12 exactly I swear when people from fandoms hear just a little bit of criticisms and a difference of opinions they whine and cry
Tbh my biggest complaint about this season is the fart jokes, they went on for way too long.
I did feel they could have done with more episodes or at least using the ones they had more effectively. Especially ep 2 and 3 felt like a bit of a slog, and they could have been used more effectively, I feel. I still loved it, though.
I was so thankful for Rider not dying. When the reveal came, I felt way too relieved to be mad at all. It just wouldn't have felt like a happy ending, not without a lot more setup. For example, showing Horse growing content with her herd. That could have been a good source of angst too, since of course part of her would grow comfortable in a peaceful world, maybe even having part of her wishing she could stay like that instead of going back to the battlefield. And then hating herself for even thinking of abandoning Rider.
I dunno, I feel like the show could have gone a different route with her character development, one that would have been more interesting to me. Still loved it tho.
Oh, also I loved the Dadilton storyline.
There was also the "Becky Apples" song where they compared the relationship between Horse and Rider to the romantic relationship between Wammawink and Sunfish Merguy.
I think this was more Wammawink putting herself in the situation to relate to Horse. Because tbh, Wammawink hasn't had time to speak about it to anyone.
@@kaelynrichardson5275 They ALSO kept comparing Horse's relationship near the end with Nowhere Kings and Mystery Womans. It uh, really wasn't being all that subtle with it either.
I think they are just gal pals, for me Wammawink saw Horse was shit-talking someone and shoved her hatred there, for me is just a relationship is just a girl and her horse but this can be thanks to years of watching horse girl movies
@@lukeduran12 if you think about it and use context clues hinted at by the Nowhere King, he means the bond they share between bonds. Familial/mutually shared bond vs. a bond based on obsession. There’s not romantics involved between the two.
Knowing that the old queen or princess or whatever was with the Beartaur the entire time I am really wishing we had an arc where they decided to try and recruit the Beartaur and they find her there and she's upset that they'd ever think of having centaurs fight against the nowhere king. The Beartaur and her needed more development as friends, the both of them needed to ease into fighting alongside Horse and her friends and it could've paced the story so much better if they focused on that a little bit until going into recruiting the rest of everyone else. Everything this series went wrong with could've been fixed if they just interacted with the character the plot was focused on.
Honestly, I'm just mad they introduced a huge, powerful character who's obsessed with the minotaur war & did a callback to him at the end of the first season, and then he's hardly even in the second season about raising an army to fight minotaurs.
@@WhatlanderI also didn't like how out of character they teased that premise too. They visit the Beartaurs cave and Horse is just like “no, nope, I would rather go back to the underground and get the death penalty rather than convince the powerful Polemologist to help me recruit people.” It makes no sense...
We could've had an interaction like Murray from Stranger Things. Because like, the Beartaur actually grew on me ngl...
I really felt like the whole season was rushed, and should have had longer time to develop to have more developed episodes than what we got.
Nothing wrong with a rushed ending
@@spiderneko4427 Dude, "rushed" is never a compliment. A rushed ending is bad by definition.
Tbh I loved the entire season but I understand your criticism. Love your vids man.
I'm just upset (and it's so small) that they never explained why horse recognized the Nightmare King lullaby
One of the main things about s1 songs vs s2 songs, there was a handful of season 1 songs that gave me chills or made me tear up, and almost all the others were catchy and stuck in my head. This season.... I mean, Becky apples, who is she, that one with the elktaur splitting into 2.... those are the only ones I can name off the top of my head. Those are the only ones notable enough for me to remember them.
YUPPP. that was one thing i noticed off the bat was the songs. season 1's songs were amazing, hell i still listen to most of them. season 2's were.. disappointing. they weren't bad per se, but i kind of expected more. i liked becky apples and the last lullaby song at the end, but other than that it was kind of underwhelming.
I would say if you can't remember the final lullaby that's more on you than it.
i felt like glendale's voice actress was just flexing through out the season the way her voice kept changing throughout was just wow
I think Durpleton got a major glow up in season 2 i actually got invested in his character, and Ched and Glendale having more depth was welcome
I liked that they put a twist on the love triangle trope by having the guys who are fighting over the girl turn out to be the same person.
Also the love triangle ended with her killing them for being abusers and also war criminals, that's a new one.
The finale was awesome and i was rly happy with it - until they changed the hair, i rly dont like Riders new hair
I love Rider's hair, it's perfect (because it's so terrible)
I immediately questioned if this was actually a kids show while watching the second season
Yes I actually watched the season 2 with my kids. Although I was aware that the show had dark undertones I was not prepared for the last episode with comfortable Doug and the tiny sentients. I won't spoil but smh
one thing that seemed to be overlooked was when horse heard the knowhere king lullaby first time she said she heard it before but how exactly was it ever explained
Yeah I can't stop thinking about that, I don't think there's even a hint of an explanation there
I think it's in reference to the flowers and the cataurs singing the same song prior to meeting him
@@alphonseelric4271 She said it when the flowers were singing tho
what got me to centaur world season 1 was the song. But season 2 was underwhelming until episode 6-8 where it finally felt like the pace of season 1. Season 2 needed more episode for me atleast to make it a fleshed out show. Overall a 7.5/10 for me could have been a 9/10 if they did season 2 better
I would have preferred fewer episodes that dragged less.
My thoughts on this whole thing would definitely be that the show could've done with 1, maybe 2 more episodes focused mostly on Rider, the captain and the human side of the conflict to really establish not only Rider better, but to establish the captain, and the other humans.
However, when it comes to the human side, I fucking love the Gary joke.
I mostly agree, but I think that nowhere king being a product of a failed refusion would have undermined the thematic consistency of his backstory. Him fussing would be in a way accepting his centaur form. His self hatred was they key to his decent into evil. Ironically the division made him into the animal side of himself he was trying to escape. The continued experiments that eventually turned him into the Nowhere King were an expression of the only power he thought he had left to make himself loved. Just a thought, I loved your video!
Have a good break and happy holidays! can't wait to have you back when you're ready
They made the Giraffe man fun
I absolutely agree to all of this, like you put it perfectly into words! I love your analysis of various shows so much because you really nail it on the head. You actually pay attention and are able to pick out legitimate flaws (and recognize personal taste at the same time). Hands down favourite reviewer 👏👏
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The two most out of place and mind blowingly bad things for me in the last episode were the parts where Rider suddenly doesn't trust horse, and does the whole "you're just a horse" bit. That... was so out of left field and inconsistent with any of the characters and what they went through till that point. And then the part when Horse went into the Nowhere King's head and suddenly everyone just assumed she had died??? Like... they had never established that using this spell could be DEADLY? Why is everyone suddenly so upset and not like "Oh cool she's just buying us time and she'll brb, lets go!"
I'm still just confused
That being said Comfortable Doug is life, and Flat Dallas is MUAH! best boy
Did anyone else feel like there were some plot holes?
Don't get me wrong it was a fun ride, but I feel like there was some unfinished, or contradictory explanations. Like why was there still a war happening if all the minotaurs are controlled by the the nowhere king? and that king was locked away in another dimension. Maybe I just missed it when watching it.
He controls them, but its not like they stopped existing.
I really liked the general and as someone who's in the armed forces having a commanding officer be chill, but serious when needed is always nice. So the turn that he and the nowhere king were a piccolo and kami really surprised me. Tbh I wasn't expecting the princess to kill him and when she did I was shocked and pleased.
Its a mistake to think of Netflix shows as Season 1 and 2. These shows are made to completion and Netflix arbitrarily seperates them into seasons. There were spoiler production sheets of “season 2” shortly after “season 1” came out so the show was already complete by then
They needed to put more work in on the old lady and the general.The Old Lady spent mot of first season being an ominous presence connected to the Nowhere King and almost all of the second season being a non-entity. Like you said that didn't give us a feel for the general enough to care about the big reveal. They really could have used a few more episodes to flesh this story out instead of dumping all that plot in the finale.
You absolutely voiced my thoughts re: the song, the failure to set up the general, and needing more scenes with Rider to get it to feel like a good payoff. Another thing I felt was a step down was with Wammawink. She was such an active and important part of s1 and her relationship with Horse was such a big deal but this season they kept having like... Almost-buildup? I guess I would call it? Where Wammawink is always the one who protects and provides and nurtures and comforts but she's feeling low and cast aside for most of the season but no one every comforts or provides for her. I kept waiting for Horse to stop being so ego centric and notice Wammawink is ALSO going through it (I really thought the Becky&Jeffica song was foreshadowing about that) and comfort her, but it just never happened. So now I feel like that's a thread left loose. But absolutely WONDERFUL show overall I absolutely adored it. As ever, Zulius was killin it 😎
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I mean, Rider being ride-or-die for the General in season one was sort of enough to suggest he wasn't going to be a good guy. He's this offscreen entity that Rider defers to for every decision she's present for. And didn't Season 1 already tell us that Nowhere King was a centaur? They show him using his little centaur torso arms to pull the key out of his neck, and everything. I assumed it was going to be more of a reverse-Horse situation, where a centaur who stays in the human world eventually transforms. The bit I didn't see coming was that he did it to himself and also _was_ the General.
If they made the general riders dad, woulda been a lil more impactful
I thought they were going to rid that too
My only real problem with that is due to how obsessive The General is with the Woman, they would also have to make her the mother, and I can see how they wouldn't really want to do that.
Plus, I won't lie, it is pretty refreshing having characters who are unrelated to the Big Bad, and are more dealing with the after effects. At this point nearly everyone has to do that in some manner.
If given the time I feel as if they could of had something more complete?
The nowhere kings story, for me, would have been a lot more inpactful. If they might have showed him, the real conditions of the cell. Try and put us in the headspace through horse, and her magic powers of dreams (past)
Seeing her even briefly struggle in there, or start to go crazy or just even a little upset with noises that wont stop.
I understand love makes you do crazy things, but flat out genocide and avoiding your mirror self? Too much
The first 4 or so episodes; my friends and I really felt the drag.
I think the lack of character development and connection to the darker elements/mystery of the world really hurt those episodes. Same with the songs.
Like I really enjoyed some of the reprises- it made the first and second season feel really connected- but it always felt like songs didn't commit hard enough or just stopped to soon.
I did quite enjoy the finale and the Last Lullaby felt like the major song hit for me; which thank goodness-- very important moment for a song to hit.
Precedent I did really like the near return to form of the later half of the season, the return to form was nice, but man, I really wish we got more of Woman and the mystery before the finale. Just an inkling of it per episode maybe.
Even using Horse's backstory magic throughout the first few episodes would have been more. Then we could get a closer look at her interacting with each of the herd, changing how she interacts with them, and a highlight on that consent issue that Wammawink brought up! Serious boundaries were crossed, and they could have done a really neat argument/look at "when is it worth it to cross a friend/someone's comfort zone? Is it ever worth it?"
That last lullaby song though before the witch ends the villain...holy shit I have that on repeat. I cried over and over again.
For season 2.. I spent so much of the time looking at it and going What the Actual Fuck is Happening rn. It definitely had some moments that made me laugh and all but the songs were like... Lol look we're so silly let's have this music as the characters basically just talk lololol.
But, the finale genuinely made it worth it for me! The mentions of the general in the first one did show a bit more loyalty but that can easily be missed. The twist genuinely got means I thought it was clever still.
I agree it definitely wasn't as good and the songs were DEFINITELY lacking but I still loved the finale
14:26 I can kinda relate. I was about to start watching another show out of boredom but then looked at UA-cam and saw a centaurworld season 2 video so I binge watched s2 in 2 days out of excitement
I LOVED the reprises! I love reprises and leitmotifs!
In the Nowhere King's origin in the flashback scene back when he was a centaur, who was in love with this woman and though he could seperate himself so he could be human but things didn't turn out as he plans. So I guess the General is the true villian in this series all along.
Oh gosh, awesome video as usual but please rest if you're burnt out! You're important and deserve a break!
Was supposed to relax and recharge from burn out but them something new happens, yeah sounds about right with most things people do. Break for maybe a day but right back after 10 minutes.
I feel like even a few more lines from Horse and Rider just admiring the General, talking about his feats in battle, maybe even a funny hint where Horse is talking about him and the herd is horrified at the violence but Horse is in complete awe as she recounts his deeds and that would have made the twist hit a little harder because he has some sort of reputation
I absolutely love durpleton , a well meaning dum-dum who has the most wholesome moments with his adult lizard son mistaken for a small child
i liked it more than season one ;u;
Season two songs really dropped the ball till the last two episodes. I can barely remember what any of them were about unlike the first season where i still sing and listen to them all the time.
I wanted to love season 2 as much as I loved season 1, but I've had a hard time for basically all the reasons you gave. I feel like you get it! It's like they wanted to skip ahead to the climax, remembered we need a middle to get from beginning to end, and then spent time on all the wrong, most irrelevant things. I don't remember any of the new songs, and I felt like no one really learned anything new. It's a messy conclusion to something that started so strong...just like my first drafts haha! But I love the show and I love the characters and world. It's been a while since something has felt like it was made with me specifically as the target audience, and I loved feeling that within the first 5 minutes of the very first episode.
The thumbnail perfectly sums up my thoughts about season two.
Why wasn't the themes of the finale prevalent throughout the entire show. Centaurworld is at its best when the two world's aesthetics and themes are juxtaposed against one other. They had the opportunity to cut away to the human world at any time but only used it in I think two episodes pre finale? Three if you count the one fully in human world? They could've easily replaced more of the meandering plots of early season 2 with more B story to set up Rider and General.
I loved the finale and the twist so so much, that was an Epic piece of storytelling. But I agree with SarChor, I do think about the fact that if we had been given more time with the General as a father figure to Rider, then that gut punch would have been boosted to soul destroying. I wouldn't have just been crying, I would have been on the verge of hysterics. Still can't believe that a show with that many fart jokes (including the Elks introduction in NKs mind!!) pulled off such an incredible finale.
First landing here baby
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I still don't know if i like CentaurWorld or not... I'm two seasons in...
Right?? I want more. Idk in what format it would be in, but yeah
i binged the first season right before i watched the 2nd and yeah the first couple of episodes weren't my favourite either i would have loved it if they spend more time during those episodes with rider and with horse and ched forming some kind of friendship that doesn't involve backstory magic,,,they could have also given whammawink a conflict with the war storyline since she is a war orphan
The last episode i didn't like very much because how rushed it felt. I would loved to have a new song for the nowhere king and maybe find out how Doug found all those mini's or at least some explanation.
I don't have a problem with not caring about the general. The backstory wasn't really a story about the General. It seemed more like a story about the nowhere king and his perception of the general.
But without a perspective on the general, we are missing half of the picture of our villain. :/
@@Folomus I don't see the story as hero vs villain. I see it as character development explicitly contrasted against fear and stagnation. That's been the main theme since episode 1, and the Nowhere King is literally a stag.
I don't even think it's a twist for an unknown character like the general (or even rider) to behave a bit chaotically.
Yeahh season 1 was way better, i wish the sad moments it had werent interrupt by comedy so often thats what it felt like anyways.
But there is a few things i liked about this season like Glendale she is totally my fav so i was satisfied with the moments they have her, she got more screentime this season than s1 and a longer solo song so im satisfied with her lol same with Ched and i liked how they gave him more depth, Durpleton and stabby where really adorable for me their relationship might be weird but also very cute, i also like how they also showed the human world in some episodes but i didnt like how they did Wammawink this season did the person who worked on the episodes dislike wammawink or what? seriously she deserved better smh specially in that second episode (which was terrible i really hated that episode) it feels like they went backward in her character arch they did her dirty, and the final? holy shit it was so good i dont mind it was very long, the nowhere king backstory was very deep and you could at least feel some sympathy for him, i felt so bad for the elk (spoilers ahead) also its heartbreaking that the woman was the one who killed him since all the backstory they had together it just made it more hurtful at least for me.
And Rider death? i was sobbing so hard when horse was holding her and singing it broke my heart but then a few seconds later we learn that she was still alive?? what?? so all that was for nothing? im sorry but i do think that leaving Rider death would have been impactful but yeahh this are just my thoughs i dont think there is gonna be a season 3 sadly because i did wanted to see this characters more