I guess if nothing else this video really showcases that field judges are there with you and want you to succeed, even in something where the expectations and pressure are as high as they are in DCI. Great video.
I know this is a year old but he’s the only judge when I marched that scored my group on how we were playing and not the style it was written in. He loved how we got into the latin style and really just wanted us to succeed all season. He will always have my respect.
Nate Thecrazydrummer 90% of people calling ticks can’t hear shit only criticizing poor audio. Maybe 10% of people who watch this actually have the ear training to call out ticks from this, and those with that training are mature enough that they don’t dabble in UA-cam squabbles.
READ THIS: If you seriously think you can judge whether a line was dirty or clean through a handheld microphone meant for recording the judges voice, you’re crazy. This recording definitely wasn’t meant to have quality audio. The cleanliness and rhythmic accuracy “dirt” you’re hearing is coming from the fact that this was recorded on a small portable mic for the judges voice. Please stop criticizing this line that worked insanely hard for this moment. While I DO disagree with Jeff Prosperrie that this should receive a perfect achievement score (seeing as he called them out once or twice for a few tiny blips in cleanliness), I doubt that many of you will come close to achieving a similar level of performance and musical execution. If you really want to pick out the dirt so badly, go watch good 60 FPS HD lot videos... good luck finding much there.
i definitely think saying the line "this line is nonetheless cleaner and more talented than 99% of you will ever be." is kinda a shitty thing to say. as somebody who was studying education, the last thing you want to do is tell people they will never be something. don't do that. encourage them to improve and become better so that they can become this. overall though, i agree. you shouldn't judge from a judges tape. its also not a fans place to judge the core. the judge's score is absolute and is the only thing that matters
These comments are funny. How is the judge biased to BD when SCV won drums the last three years? He judged finals the last three years. Everyone relax and enjoy the licks.
Jesse Brooks What's even funnier is Prosperie is the same judge that had BDs percussion in 5th on finals night in 2008 allowing Phantom to narrowly squeak by and win. All the BD haters loved him then lol.
Ik the beginning is like pretty bad but y’all are acting like you can play rhythm song super clean in an ensemble of marimbas under this kind of pressure.
rhythm song itself isn't incredibly hard, and when they practice for 12 hours a day or more for a month and then go on tour while still playing the same passage over and over, they should at least be able to play most of it. they still missed many more notes than they should have, and somehow got a 10 in achievement. there were two spots on vanguards tape where he called out the pit for barely noticeable things, yet he didnt even mention the notes at the beginning of this performance. prosperie is biased towards BD, its not just this year.
officialnovadrome FYI every single year I marched Prospeire has judged finals week (except 2018) and he never had us in first. And every show this season that he judged us and SCV before finals he had Vanguard up. Sooo
As one who generally speaking enjoyed Bloo better, I find it sad people are still mad at the scores. Was I disappointed initially? Sure, because I was looking forward to see an encore run by Bloo, but that just didn’t happen, and both shows are enjoyable to listen to and watch, so the scores aren’t a big deal. Two fantastic shows amongst many that occurred in the 2019 season, and it was a great year for drum corps. I’m a brass player, but it’s cool to hear tapes even if I don’t understand most of the terms. Hopefully 2021 even happens!
I guess I'm super late to the party, but damn, this comment section is depressing. The fact that people care this much about scoring and other people's opinions on an amazing show among several other amazing shows really shows a lack of maturity that I absolutely didnt expect from the DCI community. To see legends like Everett Kim and Olander arguing with fans in a youtube comment section is really just disappointing. I don't know if the uploader was really even criticizing Prosperie's evaluation, but people seem to be attacking him regardless. I don't think BD deserved a 10 either- does it matter? No one's denying that their percussion was absolutely magnificent. Stop nitpicking and stop overreacting to people nitpicking.
Jesus Christ if anyone tries to come after the pit in the beginning!!! Literally and I mean this in the nicest way, if you have not taken music theory or have composed a piece then it shouldn’t bother you. From the beginning of their season to the end they played the same thing. Do you really think the staff would all those mess ups for an entire season. If that’s how the book was composed then that’s how it was composed.
Yeah I was also thinking that, but listening to some other recordings, it sounds different. But again, it just doesn't seem like it could sound like this, and plus we don't know where this tape was from. I would like to add I've heard them make mistakes, particularly with this video here ua-cam.com/video/kZO30AeuujI/v-deo.html with time stamp at 36:53 When I listened to that video above, it seemed like there was one person who was making errors, so it leads me to wonder if there was just someone who pooped themselves and made mistakes or something. Then again this tape is sketchy af, and the audio quality seems like it is distorted in general.
Shadowkille8r yeah. I honestly do agree. When most groups look over their performance, they’ll watch it from a video which has better quality. Tapes aren’t meant to be taken seriously audio wise and is only meant to be given to groups as a critique. Plus I don’t expect a $20 recorder/tape to be able to catch everything that I’m hearing let alone playing them with a good quality.
Darius Parker Yeah, the most important question is how this person got these tapes, and if you look at other comments the BD drum major commented and made this tape seem fishy....
I think it’s fair to say that this score is what made the difference between the blue devils and bluecoats final scores. I think the reason a lot of people get upset with it is that even if you’ve never heard the shows you can look at the scores from prelims and semis and this just doesn’t line up. I’m not gonna pretend to be a professional tick catcher and it’s impossible to really tell through this kind of recording but I’ve seen both groups live towards the end of the season and I know members of the batterie from Scv bloo and bd who all said they didn’t agree with the percussion rankings finals night. I honestly love all three shows and listen to all three drum lines all the time but it just feels weird to look at the scores and see that bd and bloo were so close to eachother and all of the sudden they beat bloo and scv in drums after not really doing that the whole season. It’s hard to argue bias of a single judge and honestly who would want to. I don’t want to speak Ill of a person I’ve never met and who loves this activity and is deeply involved with it on many levels. My issue is more with the whole judging system and the fact that you can look at one score that clearly is an outlier compared to all of the other shows both finals week and the week or two leading up to finals and without that score they weren’t going to win. It’s ignorant to say that dci scoring isn’t political and it’s honestly silly that whenever someone tries to talk about it they are just thrown out as biased against a particular corps.
I understand everything you are saying. If you want to really get into it, how did Crown finish 4th? However, I would never question Prosperie. He is more than qualified. However, back in the day, you could win your first show on finals night. In my humble opinion, BD had a better night.
@@jessebrooks1991 I think BD had a better night overall and it in general wasnt reflected in the scores but I dont think the dumlinr had a better night. are you saying crown should have scored higher or lower?
@@jessebrooks1991 umm sorry to break it to you but crown was a mess relative to most of the top 12 corps that drumline had music much harder than anything they were capable of as a line
@@shadowkille8r99 they literally play a sixteenth roll right before the dirty one in question, which is NOTICEABLY cleaner than the second one. What are you on about
How on earth did he not comment on 11:40? That dirt was 100% there finals night, I was there like right in front of where they were on the field at that point. I just don’t understand how anyone can listen to that and say “yeah that’s perfect”
Danny Hale achievement evaluates how well the music is performed, content evaluate how well it’s written. Vanguard still won content, but were dirtier. Blue Devils just played better in finals.
Danny Hale Sorry if I’m late. I do agree that SCV does has a more complex book under their percussion, blue devils was a lot cleaner. You can give a judge the hardest book but if it’s not clean then theirs no achievement at all. Its kinda like color guard in a sense. You can make all the choreo hard, but is the whole ensemble together? Is there good timing? And can everyone within the ensemble achieve what’s given to them? If not then there’s no point in having it at all.
I'd actually like to say I DID discover some salt, but at the same time it is far from unwarranted. This decision shouldn't be taken lightly, IMO any amount of uncleanliness should result in anything less than a Ten. Prosperie missed a lot of dirt, so no ten. Should be objective, which is why people are upset.
Dan Joyce Yo brother! the numbers exist to show separation between ensembles. 10.0 doesn’t mean perfect. it means that the group that won the sub-caption was that much more proficient than the other group. Numbers management can be difficult when the bar is set quite high by other ensembles. There were plenty of strong percussion ensembles this season. Hope you’re well. -Josh
@@Ridebmx34521 that's at interesting take on it, but I think I have to disagree with that Method of judging. no group should be pushed to "perfection" just because they are Comparitively better. i think labeling something as a perfect 10/10 when it is not devalues the word perfect and the value of a perfect score going forward.
Dan Joyce Dan Joyce I get what you’re saying, but perfect scores in sub captions happen all the time. It is not a rare occurrence. Your opinion of 10/10 scores devaluing the definition of perfect is valid, but it’s very interesting how it only becomes an issue to people when the corps they don’t like achieves it. The fact is, nothing in drum corps is ever perfect. It can always be better. But that’s really not the point of the comment. While a drum tape may be very enjoyable for your personal critique, it’s not meant for anyone to hear. There’s a reason dci doesn’t post the tapes themselves. Not even the members get to hear them unless the staff allows it. This tape was leaked by someone. Furthermore, this tape was posted by this account under a fake name, and if you look at this person’s channel there are only two drum tapes. Why don’t you go ahead and read the descriptions this person writes for both the videos and tell me again there’s “no salt coming from the content provider”. At the end of the day whether it’s constructive, enjoyable or whatever you want to call it, it’s not there right to post that’s the end of the story. 🤷🏻♂️
I hear no dirt or wrong notes 🤷🏽♂️ I’ve heard the same thing all season other than like one video. BD did spectacularly finals night and they did what they needed to
Bryan Other runs of the show don’t sound like that at all. Transcriptions of the show aren’t written out like that and pit views of the show can show you that they messed up.
Bryan ur just trying to come up with any excuse to show that they were bad, even though they weren’t. Also, a group wouldn’t change something last minute during finals, it would’ve been already addressed and taken care of before the day even was there
Oh man I used to feel good abt the show but then I saw the drum judges in the UA-cam comments thanks for setting the record straight guys
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Thank you Brandon, very cool!
Add me on instagram please thats all i ask of you you guys are my idol @Big_boi_3ose87
just a bunch of high school fan boys who think they know everything about music
From Jeff himself: "Probably the best bass thing I have ever heard in my life."
Bravo Evil Bass!!!
Debates aside, can we just appreciate how hot that bass lick was at 5:05
I guess if nothing else this video really showcases that field judges are there with you and want you to succeed, even in something where the expectations and pressure are as high as they are in DCI. Great video.
I know this is a year old but he’s the only judge when I marched that scored my group on how we were playing and not the style it was written in. He loved how we got into the latin style and really just wanted us to succeed all season. He will always have my respect.
... They're clean, man. They're clean!...
Robert Garza 😂
I dont understand how people get so salty with all of this. All of the dci lines are soooo good.
Nate Thecrazydrummer 90% of people calling ticks can’t hear shit only criticizing poor audio. Maybe 10% of people who watch this actually have the ear training to call out ticks from this, and those with that training are mature enough that they don’t dabble in UA-cam squabbles.
@@nickniehaus1763sorry to be 3 years late, but well said
I’m a bluecoats fan, but I do have to give credit where it is due. And the blue devils drumline was on fire. One of the best drum lines of the night
READ THIS:
If you seriously think you can judge whether a line was dirty or clean through a handheld microphone meant for recording the judges voice, you’re crazy.
This recording definitely wasn’t meant to have quality audio. The cleanliness and rhythmic accuracy “dirt” you’re hearing is coming from the fact that this was recorded on a small portable mic for the judges voice.
Please stop criticizing this line that worked insanely hard for this moment. While I DO disagree with Jeff Prosperrie that this should receive a perfect achievement score (seeing as he called them out once or twice for a few tiny blips in cleanliness), I doubt that many of you will come close to achieving a similar level of performance and musical execution.
If you really want to pick out the dirt so badly, go watch good 60 FPS HD lot videos... good luck finding much there.
Thank you, I definitely agree, I do enjoy listening to the judge tapes but this is why they shouldn't be out for public ears.
Those who whine and think they can play better?? Saddle up and try out...prove how good you really are!!! Impress us😅
Tad Barnes I’m not even sure who you’re talking to. Who’s not being chill... ?
@@SilverTheFlame my bad somebody got on to my account and posted this I was hacked I'm sorry for the confusion
i definitely think saying the line "this line is nonetheless cleaner and more talented than 99% of you will ever be." is kinda a shitty thing to say. as somebody who was studying education, the last thing you want to do is tell people they will never be something. don't do that. encourage them to improve and become better so that they can become this.
overall though, i agree. you shouldn't judge from a judges tape. its also not a fans place to judge the core. the judge's score is absolute and is the only thing that matters
These comments are funny. How is the judge biased to BD when SCV won drums the last three years? He judged finals the last three years. Everyone relax and enjoy the licks.
Jesse Brooks What's even funnier is Prosperie is the same judge that had BDs percussion in 5th on finals night in 2008 allowing Phantom to narrowly squeak by and win. All the BD haters loved him then lol.
Ik the beginning is like pretty bad but y’all are acting like you can play rhythm song super clean in an ensemble of marimbas under this kind of pressure.
rhythm song itself isn't incredibly hard, and when they practice for 12 hours a day or more for a month and then go on tour while still playing the same passage over and over, they should at least be able to play most of it. they still missed many more notes than they should have, and somehow got a 10 in achievement. there were two spots on vanguards tape where he called out the pit for barely noticeable things, yet he didnt even mention the notes at the beginning of this performance. prosperie is biased towards BD, its not just this year.
officialnovadrome yeah it’s kinda bs
Yea but . Uh shut up
officialnovadrome FYI every single year I marched Prospeire has judged finals week (except 2018) and he never had us in first. And every show this season that he judged us and SCV before finals he had Vanguard up. Sooo
Brandon Olander im ur biggest fan
how did you get the judge tape?
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...the best bass thing I ever heard in my life...
9:54 It’s ok Jeff we forgive you
Where the hell did you get these
This comment section literally scares me.
This comment section is atrocious.
5:30 - That "wonderful" really caught me off guard 😅
Just comes from nowhere lol 😂
As one who generally speaking enjoyed Bloo better, I find it sad people are still mad at the scores. Was I disappointed initially? Sure, because I was looking forward to see an encore run by Bloo, but that just didn’t happen, and both shows are enjoyable to listen to and watch, so the scores aren’t a big deal. Two fantastic shows amongst many that occurred in the 2019 season, and it was a great year for drum corps. I’m a brass player, but it’s cool to hear tapes even if I don’t understand most of the terms. Hopefully 2021 even happens!
I would disagree slightly, as I don't think that it is cool to hear the tapes that we were never supposed to hear, as they were leaked.
I guess I'm super late to the party, but damn, this comment section is depressing. The fact that people care this much about scoring and other people's opinions on an amazing show among several other amazing shows really shows a lack of maturity that I absolutely didnt expect from the DCI community. To see legends like Everett Kim and Olander arguing with fans in a youtube comment section is really just disappointing. I don't know if the uploader was really even criticizing Prosperie's evaluation, but people seem to be attacking him regardless. I don't think BD deserved a 10 either- does it matter? No one's denying that their percussion was absolutely magnificent. Stop nitpicking and stop overreacting to people nitpicking.
Damn he loved drummer Michael Dy
yeah. Definitely think the sanford should go to who ever plays cleanest on finals. in my eyes. The cleanest line of 2019 was the blue devils.
Jesus Christ if anyone tries to come after the pit in the beginning!!! Literally and I mean this in the nicest way, if you have not taken music theory or have composed a piece then it shouldn’t bother you. From the beginning of their season to the end they played the same thing. Do you really think the staff would all those mess ups for an entire season. If that’s how the book was composed then that’s how it was composed.
Yeah I was also thinking that, but listening to some other recordings, it sounds different. But again, it just doesn't seem like it could sound like this, and plus we don't know where this tape was from.
I would like to add I've heard them make mistakes, particularly with this video here ua-cam.com/video/kZO30AeuujI/v-deo.html with time stamp at 36:53
When I listened to that video above, it seemed like there was one person who was making errors, so it leads me to wonder if there was just someone who pooped themselves and made mistakes or something. Then again this tape is sketchy af, and the audio quality seems like it is distorted in general.
Shadowkille8r yeah. I honestly do agree. When most groups look over their performance, they’ll watch it from a video which has better quality. Tapes aren’t meant to be taken seriously audio wise and is only meant to be given to groups as a critique. Plus I don’t expect a $20 recorder/tape to be able to catch everything that I’m hearing let alone playing them with a good quality.
Darius Parker Yeah, the most important question is how this person got these tapes, and if you look at other comments the BD drum major commented and made this tape seem fishy....
“sorry i cursed”
Ok but that bassline tho
Okay this us very epic
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How did you get these
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I think it’s fair to say that this score is what made the difference between the blue devils and bluecoats final scores. I think the reason a lot of people get upset with it is that even if you’ve never heard the shows you can look at the scores from prelims and semis and this just doesn’t line up. I’m not gonna pretend to be a professional tick catcher and it’s impossible to really tell through this kind of recording but I’ve seen both groups live towards the end of the season and I know members of the batterie from Scv bloo and bd who all said they didn’t agree with the percussion rankings finals night. I honestly love all three shows and listen to all three drum lines all the time but it just feels weird to look at the scores and see that bd and bloo were so close to eachother and all of the sudden they beat bloo and scv in drums after not really doing that the whole season. It’s hard to argue bias of a single judge and honestly who would want to. I don’t want to speak Ill of a person I’ve never met and who loves this activity and is deeply involved with it on many levels. My issue is more with the whole judging system and the fact that you can look at one score that clearly is an outlier compared to all of the other shows both finals week and the week or two leading up to finals and without that score they weren’t going to win. It’s ignorant to say that dci scoring isn’t political and it’s honestly silly that whenever someone tries to talk about it they are just thrown out as biased against a particular corps.
I understand everything you are saying. If you want to really get into it, how did Crown finish 4th? However, I would never question Prosperie. He is more than qualified. However, back in the day, you could win your first show on finals night. In my humble opinion, BD had a better night.
@@jessebrooks1991 I think BD had a better night overall and it in general wasnt reflected in the scores but I dont think the dumlinr had a better night. are you saying crown should have scored higher or lower?
@@jordantyler148 I would have to hear the judge´s tape. I believe Crown went down every night. I thought they were better than Bluecoats and by far.
@@jessebrooks1991 umm sorry to break it to you but crown was a mess relative to most of the top 12 corps that drumline had music much harder than anything they were capable of as a line
@@jordantyler148 you have officially disqualified yourself with that comment.
bd 19 was a cracked year for their drumline 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
Do you have any brass tapes?
how did you get this lmao
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Imagine hitting that many wrong notes in rhythm song and getting a 10 in achievement
what wrong notes
I mean, it really all about the GE
FAT STAX
Huh played those same notes all season
Guess they just have been wrong 😂
@@Ryan-dz7mg nah Bryan they weren't wrong y'all rocked it,
Those are literally the right notes, they played them every single performance.
LOAWD PLEASE BRING BACK BAND
How did u get this
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How did he pick up the drum line if he’s not allowed on the field anymore?
5:59 & 11:41 Must be nice being in a line where the judge wants to give you a perfect score so badly that he’ll ignore blatant ticks to get you there
I didn’t hear anything that dirty at 5:59 ? I did audibly go “ew” at 11:40 tho lmao
@@k1n3t1c8 What do you mean? The "ew" there was clearly was audio quality...
@@shadowkille8r99 nah he’s right that second tick was pretty bad. The ENTIRE rest of the show was amazingly clean though. Especially that bass line 🤤
@@flarfatron2190 Uh literally sounds like shit audio quality bruh
@@shadowkille8r99 they literally play a sixteenth roll right before the dirty one in question, which is NOTICEABLY cleaner than the second one. What are you on about
DEFOOOOOOYYYYYY
damn people really just don't like things just to not like things don't they
How on earth did he not comment on 11:40? That dirt was 100% there finals night, I was there like right in front of where they were on the field at that point. I just don’t understand how anyone can listen to that and say “yeah that’s perfect”
Why do you care? Your precious Vanguard won overall.
Danny Hale achievement evaluates how well the music is performed, content evaluate how well it’s written. Vanguard still won content, but were dirtier. Blue Devils just played better in finals.
Danny Hale you realize these recordings are not even remotely close to actually hearing it live
Danny Hale salt 🧂
Danny Hale Sorry if I’m late. I do agree that SCV does has a more complex book under their percussion, blue devils was a lot cleaner. You can give a judge the hardest book but if it’s not clean then theirs no achievement at all. Its kinda like color guard in a sense. You can make all the choreo hard, but is the whole ensemble together? Is there good timing? And can everyone within the ensemble achieve what’s given to them? If not then there’s no point in having it at all.
Imagine being so salty that you have to post drum tapes that are not your right to post 🤷🏻♂️
bruh everybody posts drum tapes for enjoyment or critique; i don't see any salt coming from the content provider either way
I'd actually like to say I DID discover some salt, but at the same time it is far from unwarranted. This decision shouldn't be taken lightly, IMO any amount of uncleanliness should result in anything less than a Ten. Prosperie missed a lot of dirt, so no ten. Should be objective, which is why people are upset.
Dan Joyce Yo brother! the numbers exist to show separation between ensembles. 10.0 doesn’t mean perfect. it means that the group that won the sub-caption was that much more proficient than the other group. Numbers management can be difficult when the bar is set quite high by other ensembles. There were plenty of strong percussion ensembles this season. Hope you’re well. -Josh
@@Ridebmx34521 that's at interesting take on it, but I think I have to disagree with that Method of judging. no group should be pushed to "perfection" just because they are Comparitively better. i think labeling something as a perfect 10/10 when it is not devalues the word perfect and the value of a perfect score going forward.
Dan Joyce Dan Joyce I get what you’re saying, but perfect scores in sub captions happen all the time. It is not a rare occurrence. Your opinion of 10/10 scores devaluing the definition of perfect is valid, but it’s very interesting how it only becomes an issue to people when the corps they don’t like achieves it. The fact is, nothing in drum corps is ever perfect. It can always be better. But that’s really not the point of the comment. While a drum tape may be very enjoyable for your personal critique, it’s not meant for anyone to hear. There’s a reason dci doesn’t post the tapes themselves. Not even the members get to hear them unless the staff allows it. This tape was leaked by someone. Furthermore, this tape was posted by this account under a fake name, and if you look at this person’s channel there are only two drum tapes. Why don’t you go ahead and read the descriptions this person writes for both the videos and tell me again there’s “no salt coming from the content provider”. At the end of the day whether it’s constructive, enjoyable or whatever you want to call it, it’s not there right to post that’s the end of the story. 🤷🏻♂️
Isn't this the guy that got hit with an axe??
Yeah, I didn't even realize till now. Maybe he was having a mental breakdown while judging DCI this year, I guess it depends on opinion.
Danny Hale Dude got hit with an axe, might have psychological damage who knows
It was on a news report, search up Jeff prospery hit by axe and it shows footage of an axe being chucked through the air into his arm.
Danny Hale Yeah here is the article
thehill.com/homenews/media/392248-man-sues-fox-friends-host-after-hes-struck-by-axe-on-set?amp
I hear no dirt or wrong notes 🤷🏽♂️ I’ve heard the same thing all season other than like one video. BD did spectacularly finals night and they did what they needed to
I smell money
Must check your nose then, something is up with your nose my guy
I’m a huge BD fan but seriously a 10? They just weren’t that good. Especially since the beginning was so dirty with wrong notes.
xd Rayon
How do you know it was composed that way???????
Bryan
Other runs of the show don’t sound like that at all. Transcriptions of the show aren’t written out like that and pit views of the show can show you that they messed up.
xd Rayon
How do you know it wasn’t a last minute change
And if everyone sounds wrong then it sounds right
The numbers game gives 98/99/100 frequently. Don’t stress over it ;)
Bryan ur just trying to come up with any excuse to show that they were bad, even though they weren’t. Also, a group wouldn’t change something last minute during finals, it would’ve been already addressed and taken care of before the day even was there