Mayerthorpe RCMP killings: Bad Day at Barhead (2008) - The Fifth Estate
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- Bad Day at Barhead examined whether the investigation into the Mayerthorpe police killings, including the arrests of two Alberta men, was aimed at distracting attention away from allegations of negligence within the force. In 2008 The Fifth Estate explored what happened after the March 3, 2005, shooting deaths of RCMP officers Const. Anthony Gordon, Const. Lionide (Leo) Johnston, Const. Brock Myrol and Const. Peter Schiemann at a rural farm in Mayerthorpe, Alberta. Shooter James Roszko died at the scene. Shawn Hennessey and Dennis Cheesman later pled guilty to four counts of manslaughter, related to providing assistance to Roszko on the day of the shooting.
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I was in the McDonald’s closest to the Parliament buildings one day and an older RCMP officer in uniform started complaining to everyone in line about the people in charge of the force and how useless they were. I think that speaks volumes.
this RCMP is a brave Hero ... I too have had a similar experience
It’s Trudeau’s fault
@@jimmyjimjim4146 Trudy is truly terrible.
Bottom line they knew Roscoe was a psycho...... what got those guys killed?
RCMP arrogance!
And complete stupidity. The RCMP are a disgrace and little wonder the public neither trust or respect them.
They took him for a joke
@MisGuided Me he didnt shoot enough of these incompetent ball bags.
absolute truth and the "investigation" that followed is equal to or even more disturbing
In 1992 I had an interview to join the RCMP and did very well on the exams before entering considering my lack of education.
The interviewer had issues with my three year military service of some insubordination.
I said sometimes authority needs to be challenged and not followed blindly. Then this happened and makes me wonder I’m glad I never became part of the RCMP.
What do you do for a living?
Our entire judicial system is sad and pathetic. Words like honour and justice were lost somewhere along the line.
Your right Canada is even worse then the US
@@mitchlesinski7803 that's pretty bad. A lot of what's wrong in the states is it's too easy to get $$ when you turn bad.
I'm in my 60's & have watched thousands of crime docs in my time & this by far is the worst police work I've ever seen !!!! I honestly feel sorry for the people who live in that area because they truly would be better off with no so call law enforcement among them !!!!!!
@BassBuddy indeed I agree with you 100%
@BassBuddy it happens all the time , the corruption of the police in Canada is just getting worse trust me. I wanted to be a RCMP but after watching few video and seen the corruption I was like heck no. I want to service and protect my country but not like this I do not want to get into a corrupt system that has failed the innocent civilians it really breaks my heart ☹☹
@@laylacarter9004 It's not because there are bad apples in the basket, you have to throw away all apples and the basket on top of that. FBI and CIA agents got arrested for spying, many cops got arrested because they didhonoured somehow their badge. I'm sure many haven't been arrested yet. But claiming they are all rotten would be foolish. And if you know from yourself you wouldn't be implicated in such scemes and not be afraid of the potential consequences of the parasites' ball, than you really should join after all. The RMCP needs good, clean, honest, efficient new recruits.
fdn
As a Canadian, I'm ashamed to say that before I even watched this I knew it was going to be about corruption and incompetence among the RCMP. Unfortunately for myself and other Canadians, this has become an all too familiar story.
yes bigmac, more and more is becoming visiable of how incompentent and how corrupt it has become because people now have cell phones to record and they hate this big time, all cops, the first thing they do now is to take your phone sometimes before they ask for id, this is how corrupt they are
@cathy Larson Sure. Happened all the time. You need to watch the Chris Rock video about how to act around the police. SMH
Not really. Canada is one of the least corrupt countries in the world. Compared to the problems that most other countries face, Canada is almost pristine.
Sad but true. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
@@thefuture930 can u cite ur evidence for Canada being among the least corrupt countries? Because ur sources have clearly not looked into Kathleen Wynne, Mike Harris, Justin Trudeau or Doug Ford.
It's unfathomable to me how anyone could think either Cheeseman or Hennessy were guilty of first degree murder
That's insanity.
I love how, at the heart of these Fifth Estate stories, there’s always some incompetent or corrupt Canadian police.
That is the Liberal way! Never accept responsibility for your own actions, alway blame it on someone else.
OH, good point.
@@johnvanzyl2960 This is such a wierd comment to me. Have you been watching the fifth estate?
At minimum, something like a quarter of their stories involve investigations allegedly bungled by law enforcement.
The original comment seems like a humorous exaggeration about the way The Fifth Rstate portrays Canadian Police, not a scathing chastisement by a staunch Liberal.
@@danielalorbi The MSM pushes daily 90% plus anti Trump garbage, does that make any of it true??? Same goes for Fifth Estate?
@@johnvanzyl2960 John, even assuming that's the case, the original commenter is obviously not the big bad MSM, they're just someone noticing a pattern of reporting on The Fifth Estate. There was no need to insult them.
Consider the following comment: "I love how, at the heart of Hitler's policies, there's always some incompetent or malicious Jew"
Clearly this isn't a literal endorsement of hitler right? You can see how this a comment in the same vein as "I love how [opposing political party] always blames [my political party]", a humorous sarcastic quip.
Although I notice that I've been assuming that you were insulting the original commenter. If you were insulting The Fifth Estate for their investigation of alleged police incompetence, then that's a different story.
As an Australian I'm really shocked and saddened by this obvious corruption on the part of the Canadian police. How vicious to set up two innocent men to distract the public from their own incompetence.
Same reaction I have with Australian corruption. I want to believe you'you're better than that. I have to believe someone is, somewhere ...
Amen to that! Well said. They appear like buffoons on the world stage.
moviemad56 - I’m Australian and guess what! Police corruption is everywhere even here
The RCMP are nothing more than Stazi KGB commie scum pedophiles gangsters!
It seems this is not the first time, it seems this is how they really are. How low can one get.
The more one learns of the RCMP the dirtier they seem to be.
They are!
If you think they're bad, you should watch the behavior of the L.A.P.D.
Funny how they go to his farm snoop around then come back with a search warrant!!! Dirty🤔
@Just Real is that like Canada's FBI?
@@77yogurt or the NYPD , I think some cops are curpt in every state the world is in turmoil period.
Those guys are taking the fall to satisfy the families of the victims only because they were officers. If it were civilians murdered than no further investigation would’ve been conducted! This is so sad! I am truly sorry for all the victims involved by that horrible man (Rosco) but to those men are VICTIMS also!! There will never be true justice on this planet because it’s filled with too many unjust ppl pointing the finger everywhere but where it needs to be pointed.
absolute truth !!!
I feel for those boys. If you have ever been within the range of influence from a maniac you would know exactly why these boys did what they did.
they are scum
Hats off for The Fifth Estate, Shawn and Dennis ought to be paid millions from the rcmp.
They could have notified the cops that Rozko had a rifle and had intentions to harm cops.
@@siablo14 Rozko had terrorized the town for years, why would anyone think this was anything other than just another day in Barrhead?
@@justsayupyours Man asked for a rifle and said he is gonna teach the cops a lesson should have set off alarm bells.
@@siablo14 How many times had he made that statement to various people? I bet you a lot.
@@siablo14 if you don’t understand how psychopaths operate, why bother commenting?
Sounds to me that the deputy commissioner orchestrated the whole investigation in return for a promotion, he apparently soon left to work at headquarters.
perhaps the biggest of a multitude of questions --- does this man possess conscience ???
You gotta love The Fifth Estate for how they dig into a story & try their level best to get to the truth. Unfortunately, when there are agencies with their own agendas involved, the clear, unvarnished truth can be pretty hard to uncover. Kudos to them for trying. We need a "Fifth Estate" here in the USA. Most of our so-called "investigative" news programs don't like to step on the sensitive toes of our lawmen/women, or the law makers. Thank you Fifth Estate for another excellent program. Not only are your stories well researched & well written, your reporters' presentations are top-notch!
Wow! It sounds like the whole legal system is corrupt. Unfortunately, this kind of garbage happens almost everywhere. And I'm sure there are a lot more instances like this, that people never hear about.
I’ve done work out in Mayerthorpe and Barrhead, and talking with the locals you won’t believe the hatred out there for the RCMP.
Shalum from Whitecourt.
FortMc
@@andreabowers2227 blame other for their own mistakes as we say eh? Same with 9/11 my neighbor.
I believe it. There are few places in Canada where the Royally Corrupt Mounted Peons are trusted.
@@andreabowers2227 Please use spellcheck, it makes your comment very hard to decipher with the myriad of spelling errors. I actually ran out of breath, as there are no fullstops or commas. lol. MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE.
The cops targeted these young men because they needed some1 to blame.. The real bad guy had already killed himself.. They sure as heck weren't going to accept accountability!!
Yeah because no one man could do that to them incompetent rcmp
Cops do and give alot of reasons to be disliked by citizens
This is very reminiscent of the recent unfortunate circumstances in Nova Scotia. The RCMP failed to stop an illegal shipment of firearms, failed to stop their sale, failed to recognize someone's ill intentions, failed to stop their plan from happening, failed to warn the community during a violent and dangerous public situation, and ultimately failed to stop the criminal in a timely manner. And rather than admit that they failed, they just blame it all on law abiding firearms owners.
And they shot up a building where innocent people were hiding! Had no idea what was going on, just figured, "Well, there's a building, a firehall. Maybe he's in there? Let's fire off a few rounds just in case."
They did that, he was nowhere near and the cops just drove up to a firehall where people were hiding and fired on it. Seemingly for no reason. Still no explanation. Under the rug.
Maybe a name change is due ... Keystone cops ... ?
Heads should have rolled for Nova Scotia. One cop came out to report the timeline of the 13 hour killing spree and the whole time I was thinking wtf were you doing ignoring emergency calls not warning people etc. Now we know he had a history domestic violence and sexually assaulted many patients at his clinic those concerns just ignored for years too.
Ridiculously true. Well said. Seems like LE in the states are carbon copies. Shame on them.
We are living in the age of corruption and deceit.
Yeah number one is trump can’t get no worse than that no regards for anything but himself.
Yup
It's not an 'age'; corruption and deceit have blatantly existed since forever.
Corruption and deceit have been going on for a real long time and it happens all over the world by all the politicians to keep us down.
@@suefromtorontoon5517 I am proud Canadian i want to protect and service my country so badly. It happens all the time , the corruption of the police in Canada is just getting worse trust me. I wanted to be a RCMP but after watching few videos and seen the corruption I was like heck no. I want to service and protect my country but not like this I do not want to get into a corrupt system that has failed the innocent civilians it really breaks my heart ☹☹ I rather be military soldier protect my brothers and sisters in Canada 🇨🇦🇨🇦 I love y'all ?my Canadians i support and stand by you. Much love and respect from your sister in Alberta
Sincerely,
Layla Carter
Moral of the story is......NEVER talk to the cops and ALWAYS ask for a lawyer.
the best advice I have ever heard. NEVER talk to the cops. Let your lawyer do it. Cops are frequently bigger crooks than the people in jail.
Better call SAUL! 😄👍🏾
Never ever say you ‘understand’ after they’ve asked you a question. It is trickery and it really means you STAND UNDER their authority. Then they can do what they want with you. You do not have to give them your name either. Simply do not answer their questions.
These officers disgrace their profession. Very cowardly behavior on part of govt. Officials. Innocents suffer
@sniperhat1 Uh, just whom do you think they work for?
@sniperhat1 Sorry you missed my point. No they "are supposed to" work for the people, but their role is to protect the powerful rich from others. Think about it. If the rich steal from the government, etc. they go to white collar jail. If a poor non-white guy steals from a gas station, he goes to a real jail.
@sniperhat1 Sounds like you're in the force. Please be careful not to let too many people know you understand how they "bend" the law if they want to. Be safe sir.
a familiar story in "our democracy" !!!
It’s a trend in this country. Now, more than ever on a federal government level
Two inexperienced officers teamed up together instead of each being partnered with more experienced officers was a poor judgment call by superiors in itself. add that to lone officers left overnight at an insecure crime scene owned by a known felon who was known to carry a weapon and use that weapon to intimidate witnesses and victims. and yet RCMP officials claim they could not foresee or anticipate violence by the suspect beforehand. Can you say gross incompetence and poor judgment?
Seems obvious to me, the suspect was underestimated; he got the drop on the officers were lax in their attentiveness and inexperience and having the gift of surprise, was able to kill four officers, single-handedly.
A question never made known, was how the rifle used by the suspect was owned by one of the defendants and came to be in the hands of the felon and how it became known who allegedly helped the felon dispose of his truck and drove him back to his farm without being spotted or noticed by the officers on guard.
Of course, it's easy for me to make these assumptions after the fact, but, I have to wonder why experienced well-trained superior officers of the RCMP didn't even think of the probability. Or might it have been due to complacency of normal peaceful circumstances that they were caught off-guard?
History has shown to often what can happen when guards are let down, catastrophes happen
Mi Schermer the fact that you use the term "felon" and "felony" (American legal terms) shows you don't know much about Canadian law enforcement. Up here a "felonly "is called an indictable offence,
TRUTH!!!
the adjectives could fill an entire dictionary ... simple summation - blatant stupidity !!!
I live 15 mins from where everything unfolded, I knew right off the bat these 2 were innocent
It was you
Sounds like a classic case of police not accepting responsibility for their own inadequacies.
Law enforcement seems to be the largest and most dangerous gang in the world.
Yes. But the 2 most lethal Gangs, Cults, are the Abortion and Homosexual Gangs. Also Legal.
And I hope when you need this gang because your house been robbed or your kid gone missing that you get no help what so ever
@@rastaman5354 Always have and always will. By being well mannered and respectful. Obeying the Laws of the Land. And by having absolutely nothing to do with Abortion Law and Homosexual Law-avoid as one avoids a PLAGUE.
No one was held responsible for sending unarmed Mounties to Rozko’s. No heads rolled at the top.
Corny
Growing up I had so much respect for the police, but now hearing so many shocking stories over and over again, I’m just disgusted. There have been plenty of stories of bad cops here in Australia to, I guess it is happening all over the world. I wish these young men all the best.
Australia is pervasive in Police red tape, and you can actually buy a police in Australia, just like a 3rd world country.
It's everyday in my country America unfortunately
I'm from a small fishing village in Cornwall, uk, growing up we were told "never trust the sea or the police" and when we got a bit older we found out why, friends died of drowning and other friends and family (including myself) were arrested for things we hadn't done but the police tried charging people any way. I was lucky that I was not even in the county when a crime was committed but they still tried to pin it on me and refused to acknowledge their mistake, until it got to court and , due to pictures taken of me in London on the date of the crime, and the case got thrown out. I didn't feel safe until the two local police officers got moved on and we had new replacements that I started to feel safe again. The two coppers had followed my car and stopped me several times before they got moved on but it was horrible for the time that they were there.
I got close to one of their replacements, who was older and close to retirement, and he was very kind and said that lots of young coppers would nick their own mothers to get promoted. I have never been in trouble with the police since but I also wouldn't call them for help because of my experience of them.
@@timthehippy9478 that’s absolutely frightening and disgusting, how terrible for you. Where I’m from was the opposite, we were told repeatedly to trust the police. We have had crooked cops in the past and I’m sure now as well, and a lot of lovely, good ones that should be in the job. The stories I’m hearing from all these other countries has really changed my prospective of them though. Like I said to Gilbert, having one move in next door, has shown me how some think they are above the law. So sorry for what you went through, glad you are okay. Jodie.
Police system was designed to be a bully with a strong arm never to serve and protect, the internet and these phones just puts it in front of us now.
so they got a search warrant after they searched.
The RCMP were paid off for years by Roszco, they wanted more money Roszco told them to get stuffed. They sent other good cops/rookies to arrest him. The RCMP that were bad guys knew some would die but that Rozsco would die also. Their secret is safe...
So basically it was an execution...
frightening theory which is likely fact !!!
“I wasn’t a very assertive person. I was young and naive and let people make decisions for me,” a tearful Dennis Cheeseman told the parole board. And that is the crime for which he continues to be punished."
--Kevin Libin, press
He was a knob gobbler...
@@FlintyB I had to Google that.
How do you know?
@@jamesneilman9551 lol
@@FlintyB You sound like you're Head of the gang.
Sounds about right for RCMP ,someone is running around town like a mafia boss but they are all busy filling forms then send the greenest people to the crime sight
This incident still haunts me today, I have still not forgiven the "rcmp" (no caps because they do not get my respect for it.) This was so shameful and degrading for the rcmp to sink this low as to the extent they went all because the real killer is dead and they still needed scape goats, these two fine gentlemen were definitely "INTIMIDATED" by Rosco for there so called small involvement in this case. Shame on the rcmp. Makes me ill to my stomach. I have read, viewed, searched every stitch of material on this as I can and it pisses me off so much. Felt so strong about the innocence of the accused i even forwarded money to the Hennessey fund raiser years ago after they were given there lengthy sentence. I consider my homework pretty complete on this case and confident with my judgment call as it far out weighs any thing the rcmp ever came up with.
HalleluYah.
They certainly do not deserve the Royal, title.
They are as bad as the Americans.
@TREX LEX yeah, what's that all about? I'm American... so excuse me?
@pleiades
Absolutely!
I like how you think capital letters are a "sign of respect" instead of just correct grammar.
You gotta be kidding me, what a bunch of clowns... And I'm not talking about the two guys they arrested, they are obviously innocent!
JUMP23MΔN yet somehow plead guilty....in case you don’t know what that means. Basically that means the the police, their own lawyers(which means themselves decided they are guilty. And the court accepted the plea meaning they on the face of the facts thought they were guilty too. Disagree with the law, but you can’t disagree with the facts.
Jump23man. Shame Fifth Estate FAILED to supply the Facts about Hennessey and Cheeseman. They are guilty. I posted info about their involvement on this page.
@lana lake You are most welcome Lana.
My uncle was once an auxilary officer for Mayerthorpe. He had no real training but they used to take him along on reserve calls just because he looked big and intimidating. They are a joke.
I am so grateful for the Fifth Estate that exposes stuff like this.
I know about this event as I was raised in High Prairie but after watching 15 minutes of this and seeing how the cops were looking for scape goats to the killings is getting me sick. I say Hennesy and Cheesman sue the crap out of the RCMP. Who were the welder and the girlfreind name them.
Sadly they can’t as it was an undercover officer
"We've had witnesses show up dead"
How is that even possible? How do you show up somewhere dead?
Its a play on words meaning after they run their mouth they might "show up" on the side of the road dead
" The mounties always get their man" even if you have to cross the line
And it isn't their man
Really so sad how these two guys got forced into admitting guilt (quite possibly to things they didn't even do) or going to prison for life. No young person who has not, themselves, committed a violent crime against society should be put in this kind of situation. Horribly unfair.
That's terrible!
The two boys who did it were completely innocent my entire family was actually affected by this
Way to go 5th estate for helping these innocents guys
Lina Lapointe guilty guys technically and legally speaking
your probably one of the pos people that give them the reputation that everyone else is pointing out.
The RCMP have become a gang of thugs whose main goal seems to be to cover up their perfidy. Remember Ian Bush.
rcmp raided the wrong house initially. lol. what a bunch of clowns.
georgia home boyy rcmp are a bunch of goofs honestly.
Idiots ! 🤦🏻♀️
True
georgia home boyy it’s occurred here in the U.K. too. Unarmed police raided the wrong house, another time they raided a drug house unarmed and as the first plain clothed cop walked into a room a nutter with a gun was waiting for him behind the door, he stepped out behind the cop putting a pistol to his head, & took the cop hostage, armed police turned up, and no one living there could get in or out. It was a huge house, 2 old Victorian town houses knocked into one HUGE house, 3 storey, with the cellars and attics converted, and people living in those also. The houses had been turned into bedsits, EVERY room was occupied. The cop was held from Friday morning until Monday midday ish. Same cop whom was held hostage bust another house, in notorious area, and the guy had a pair of Staffordshire bull terriers in the house. A male & a female. The cop twisted the guy up, in his front room, whilst the guy was begging for them to just get off him, so he could lock the dogs in another room, as they were protective, and he didn’t want his dogs to be destroyed if they did their job, and protected him, which he said WAS LIKELY TO OCCUR! They told him to shut it, this cop, had the guy twisted up, bent over the back of the sofa, and tie wrapped his wrists, the male staff went bounding into the room, jumped up, and ripped the cops face to pieces. 86 stitches! They DESTROYED the dog too!! Even though they were warned a couple of times by the guy, he told them it would happen, and was ignored. They charged him with possession, and for the dog attack!! Cops EVERYWHERE are the same. Corrupt, NEVER have to take responsibility for their OWN actions, NEVER LEARN, and it WONT change. Everytime the cops have shot someone dead here, basically assassinating them, or someone goes into the police cells perfectly healthy and fine, in perfect health, and then leave on a stretcher deceased, the cops are ALWAYS found to of acted lawfully, and they investigate themselves, so are ALWAYS cleared. The ONLY way to get them is by civil action, which they always settle out of court. They don’t pay that compensation though, the TAX PAYER does ultimately. Peace.
That was the Elite,Cream of the Crop.
RCMP "...we owe the families the comfort of knowing we will conduct a very comprehensive and thorough investigation...."
also RCMP: sends swat team to wrong address in like a town with 7 1/2 people total...
a truly incredible series of events in a Democracy where the rights of any individual is to be cherished ... see my comments above
Shameful behavior by the RCMP.
What lunacy that the police would invent a; ' Mr. Big ', seems like entrapment to me, something you'd expect in the US. And those 2 lads were obviously innocent, they should get financial restitution for what they went through...
Rod Severson they plead guilty to manslaughter and went to jail for it. They are the opposite of innocent actually.
what other choice did they have it's a lot harder to plead your case when your fighting against your own words no matter if they are completely untrue
pokekitty1 what other choice? If you are innocent? Fight it....lawyers would line up around the block to defend you on a high profile case...and that even if you actually did it...but if you are getting railroaded then there would be even more. They PLEAD GUILTY. PLEAD GUILTY. The level of proof for this they would have to prove is BEYOND ANYBREASONABLE DOUBT. all their lawyer would have to do is raise slight doubt... and they would be fo ns innocent. But the lawyers said basically...no they got ya. Plead guilty, you don’t have a chance. say all you like about the methods or whatever but they ain’t innocent....guilty.
i suggest you read up on the murder of Rachel Nichols and how a shoddy police investigation caused an innocent man to be hounded for decades simply because of a few letters he wrote to someone he didn't know was a cop. he never admitted guilt for anything other than walking his dog the same day a murder took place but people believed he was guilty because of these letters until DNA evidence completely proved his innocence
pokekitty1 you don’t need an admission Don’t know that case. Did he plead guilty?
Glad to remember the days when TV shows asked relevant questions and didnt simply follow official versions. Its a dying art. Do we have a one on why they plead guilty to manslaughter for giving Roszko the rifle - and whether they knew what he was going to do, and if the rifle was actually used?
The coverage within this documentary is equally scarce on objectivity. Your question is just one crucial point among too many that were brushed aside. By all parties.
Why would the RCMP have an unarmed officer on guard duty at James Roszko's farm?
Schiemann was only there because he was giving another officer a ride to the farm. He was on the clock but had not been assigned to do guard duty.
And since when are the R.C.M.P
EVER UNARMED on duty ?? total set up ...
@@pizzapancake4703 Definitely quite strange. Might have had to do with the fact he was zealously investigating drug activity in the area and may have uncovered something he wasn't supposed to.
Arrogance
another question for this huge farce of corruption & deceit ... truly incredible in our Canada !!!
this is not only in your county but we have many cop here in the usa that are just as crooked
So, the cops illegally searched the barn to begin with. Then they got a search warrant.
They call it sneak a peak.
When we were Young our parents always told us to run to a police officer if we needed help or protection. That is the last thing that i would say nowadays.
Jake McQuade I know. I was as well. Now, I don't even like going in a gas station or coffee shop if police are in there buying something or taking a coffee break. I always feel anxious, unsafe and ill at ease.
When in trouble, always run in the opposite direction if you see a cop anywhere, if not in trouble running from cops remains the mark of the sane citizen
I am from Russia;now live in Canada and I should say that in fact it is not that bad here with cops-at least not THAT bad like in Russia..I never could even imagine that I will have to become a refugee from my country but it is exactly what happened!And that is due to the cops!The thing is that some years before I just made couple of criminals with stars on shoulders(like your criminals with badges)sentenced to very large terms due to their attempt to rob me using their authority which failed..So what began shortly after that was a real nightmare!And knowing that there was no chance for me to be left alone and just seeing that the law changed and made cops actually legally able to kill a person if he runs away when they order him to stop and after that simply to write it in their report(so they should not have a reason or an order to order you to stop-and if you run-that is the enough reason for them to legally shoot you)which meant for me either running or dying..
So anyway I even was never afraid of being at war-I even went to Ukraine in 2014 like a volunteer and never was afraid of my enemy-as there I could simply shoot back which I did and did it successfully but in my own country I had an enemy which I couldn't do almost anything so this is far worse than being at war!Because at least at war you are able to fire back at your enemy and here you are not!So yes,although I see your cops are infinitely better than ours but I also guess I will never be able to trust any of them in any country:they will always remain potential beasts and cold blooded murderers for me..
Fuc king idiots..
I was raised with that same mentality, however, that was then this is now. I guess it's very hard for the justice system to say, oops sorry, we were wrong...
Entrapment is illegal here in the usa for a reason. You pray on people in a manufactured situation on their insecurities. It would be easy for them to make up a lie out of fear.
Coming from Texas, I have to say how much I enjoy the accent & pronunciations in these programs. This was a good episode - one that had too many negatives & too few positives for all those involved. God bless & keep the families of those fallen men!!
LAW ENFORCEMENT IN A GREAT SENSE ARE STATE PAID CRIMINALS.
Very true today on EVERY western country.
Brilliant thought…let’s judge every police officer in the Western world for the despicable actions of a minute few who you only hear about on the news! SMFH! Morons
Jennifer Lankford Shaw that’s the opinion until your the one being cuffed and separated from your family When the police arrive you don’t get a chance They take over and there’s nothing you could do
Shawn and Dennis are being used point blank period, how disgusting that the RCMP can ruin these young men life's. How about the two cops that survived explain how if there were any accomplice and how they were able to leave the property unnoticed, please explain that.
fruit of the poisonous tree, this entire situation. they searched his property without a warrant... i do not think he should have shot the police, but they broke the law ...
They had reason as they were searching for a dangerous man and found an illegal substance
Brett Hazelton maybe if you knew the whole story you wouldn’t be such a clown they had every right to search the property since the bailiffs that went to the property and Rosko sped away, so they were allowed to search the property for the truck
So when they were on the property looking for the truck they found marijuana and then proceeded to get a warrant. You’re such an idiot.
well, thats a US law, so idk. the entrapment angle sounds more doable
@MisGuided Me well I guess if you’ve never heard it doesn’t happen 🤣😂🤣 must b nice to know everything 😞
Look at that Doctor with his cocky face messing up everyone's lives and playing the victim. He and the district attorney should lose their jobs. This is awful😶🤨🤔😠🦋🦋🦋
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Those two kids should get $10.5 Million each from Trudope !
Oh for some common sense, look at the date this was reported on then research the up to date info and abracadabra the truth will out.
jackpontiac52 or MORE!!!
first cops were on his property without a warrant. then you really believe somebody who has 700 pot plants would be late on a truck payment? simple cops lied.
So over 10 years later can anybody tell us what happened with this case?
Cheeseman was released in 2013, Hennessey got parole in 2015. Far as ive found nothing done about the potential police cover up. go figure.
@@Fmxsupasta Thanks for the update
@@Fmxsupasta thanks
Battle of Fort McHenry
Does anyone actually expect the RCMP to admit anything? If you do, please tell me the color of the sky on your planet.
Got the wrong house ??? I guess they're not even smart and competent enough to deliver pizza .
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Wow, seizing that weed was so worth four lives
Unbelievable.
Well that’s kinda their job...you act like the pedafile shooting them was Justified.
@@kanyeeast1340 He was. They searched the property before even getting a search warrant, making them criminals.
Kanye East well, if the cops would do their job instead of also being criminals, they’d probably be alive. A cop snooping up anywhere private without a warrant, should be treated as an armed threat. The badge won’t stop them from bleeding out in your foyer, When they walk through that front door unannounced. The trick is calling his buddies to come scrap him off your property without them illegally murdering you for killing their armed robber/COP.
Thank you The Fifth Estate for your story on this. I live in America and love to watch your show.
Sounds like a bad guy got the jump on some under trained and poorly advised officers. The commanding officer should be charged with murder .. worried about pot and car parts while a that guy had that much time to call and arrange a ride and ditch the truck...
a discrace to the uniform
bill Hulme you’re a disgrace to the human race. Get a job loser
The disgrace is to be so completely brainwashed and violent that you'd choose to wear a uniform. Statethesim, the most dangerous superstition.
look at all the innocent people killed by cops across the country -educate yourself-and the system protects them
A disgrace to themselves!!!!!
Smelly Jelly considering you have nothing better to do than creep comments and get mad on UA-cam it's safe to say you're the loser that needs to get a job.
Completely unfair. "They should have known"????? Shawn got out of jail in 2015 saying "he's changed" "not the person he used to be". WHAT???? He didn't do anything wrong...
Yup ......He did what he had to do to escape the corruption that ruined his life. By comparison a Toronto man who plead guilty to four counts of manslaughter for impaired driving got..................ten years! seems fair doesn't it, LOL
how could he not be changed by what he went through
He has changed, from a totally nonviolent person with no desire for anything but a normal life, to a man who would shoot another man AFTER taking away his gun, so the police don't have to do the job THEY are getting paid to do. Sickening what those crooks have done, to him and to Dennis.
I feel the family of those officers would feel better if the police incompetence was exposed.
Such a bad day. RIP. My son finish RCMP Depot training in Regina one week before the shootings. I still remember it till this day.
After watching Making a Murderer on Netflix, nothing surprises me anymore. The way the young boy on that docu-series (Brendan?) was interrogated & hounded by the police into a false confession made my stomach churn. Very very difficult to watch. I no longer have much belief in the police; & those 2 boys sitting in prison for those cops murder.. bloody ridiculous, & incredibly sad. What wasted lives.
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Yes ! but why are they not answering any questions ?? something is not right there? It is obviously worth more to waste your life in a cell then to answer a question, GUILTY of maybe more than the charge ??? I would guess
you dont talk so the cops cant lie
Ain't that the truth and scary too!
lol..man that's some circular logic right there. He's guilty so let's interrogate him. He's not talking to the people who are accusing him of horrible things, so he must be guilty. (Or offended? How would you feel being called things you're not, and being told you're something you know you're not?)
In fact, you say he's 'maybe' GUILTY of more than the charge?
Good thing Canada's legal system doesn't rely on your guesses. Oh wait, yes it does, just like ours here in the US. It relies on you and 11 other dolts too dense to get out of jury duty.
It sounds like a setup.
I feel sorry for those 4 officers murdered an their families yet it wasn't 2 two young lads fault...Absolutely shocking how they were set up....
I feel for Cheeseman and Hennessy they seemed to be the scapegoat for the RCMP’s incompetence
They were James bum buddies .....they enjoyed being his boytoys that's why they helped him...
They got what was coming to them
@@FlintyBYou know nothing about the situation at all, obviously.
I *HATE* when these things don't tell you how things ended up!! So I looked it up for y'all.
‼️ Shawn Hennessey and Dennis Cheeseman admitted to giving James Roszko a gun and a ride to his property where the RCMP were guarding the Quonset hut.
Roszko ambushed and killed the officers before killing himself.
Shawn Hennessey pleaded guilty to manslaughter and was sentenced to 10 years in 2005. He was granted parole in 2015 and his sentence fully expired in June 2019.
Cheeseman also pleaded guilty to manslaughter and was sentenced to seven years and two months in prison. He was released in 2013 after serving two-thirds of his sentence.
Those 3 deserve a couple of medals. Not sentences.
Thankyou
Just another example of incompetence and dirty tactics by law enforcement. Nothing new and seems to be getting worse.
They just don't wanna take responsiblity for bad training leaving a place u just raided unwatched for a day then walking up casually wouldn't happen in my town and we aren't even bad for crime.
OMG I know ! Compared to cops here in the USA these are absolute buffoons. Blame it on a lack of funding for adequate training and liberal politics.
did they ever get justice for the false accusations ?
I don't think so. It's really sad.
24:50 Wrong saying "every crook and cranny" (every nook and cranny), but highly appropriate 😂
It maybe the RIGHT saying
You can see the rcmp shame at the press conference in the beginning. Heads are all down.
At least the cops in Washington state will tell you to your face when they have no intention of doing their job.
in neptune city n.j. there are 2 cops on the force who could probably guess what their job is
What the RCMP needed, were scapegoats! Shameful! Those poor lads!
I am proud Canadian i want to protect and service my country so badly. It happens all the time , the corruption of the police in Canada is just getting worse trust me. I wanted to be a RCMP but after watching few videos and seen the corruption I was like heck no. I want to service and protect my country but not like this I do not want to get into a corrupt system that has failed the innocent civilians it really breaks my heart ☹☹ I rather be military soldier protect my brothers and sisters in Canada 🇨🇦🇨🇦 I love y'all ?my Canadians i support and stand by you. Much love and respect from your sister in Alberta
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Layla Carter
I really enjoy the way Fifth Estate presents information and is constantly reporting on current factual stories and crime. Does anybody know if there's an American equivalent to these guys? A channel that puts out well-researched documentaries like this on a regular basis? If there is, I haven't been able to find it. I feel like our closest comparison would be something like "60 Minutes?" (which I don't consider to be anywhere near being on the same level as FE due to their biased nature and tendency to be swayed by the bogus American mainstream media)
PsyintZ yeah I love fifth estate
Australian 60mins is good. You could try 48hours and dateline for American TV.
True Crime Daily is good. Can't honestly tell you the reliability of it's resources and the interviewers can sometimes have airhead moments but it's entertaining.
Why didn't the cops pursue the Rosco truck when he left? Why did the first truck leave and the last two cops that got to the scene knew what was going down and I don't think James Rosco killed himself either, he was killed because he knew "something" that could bring some top cops down.
If they were killed by the same gun, then yes, it was only one person that was taking the shot, and he must've used the element of surprise. *All* of the families concerned in this are misfortune victims. 😔
Oh same run around answers as always. Does anyone see a cover up instead of full truths
“Who are you?...”..”I’m a welder”..what an odd response....
HE DIDN'T SEEM TO DO MUCH WELDING *mysterious music plays*
I’m employee. Nice to make your acquaintance.
@@boatwreks ROFL!
@@boatwreks you’re employee?..ok speak English
strange when a crime happens they want someone to go down for it even if they had nothing to do with it
Trying to make the one kid an Informant. With Mr. big. Then use it against him...
So these bums were there to repossess a car, but instead raided a man's property without a warrant and decided to illegally seize all this evidence they "fell upon"? The property owner returns, shoots/kills the trespassers and they blame the two innocent men for their part? Am I right? How about following proper procedure in the first place, WTF...this stuff makes my blood boil! Even the search warrant was fruit of the poisonous tree --they already searched!
There are no words for how strongly I agree with this!
@Jimmy Gilmore 🙏🏽❤️😉
Everyone knows that these guys had nothing to do with any conspiracy and or murder.
Charisse Linnell-Morton the court system disagreed with you. As well as apparently their own lawyers too. They plead guilty to manslaughter. But yeah...UA-cam is probably right.
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I hate the Mr big scam cause that's what it is besides entrapment
Entrapment is when you are coerced, compelled, or otherwise convinced to perform some act that you would not normally do (criminals who get caught doing something illegal when one of the primary witnesses is an undercover police officer usually try to claim the "entrapment" defense but most people don't even know what it means). The Mr. Big garbage is a scam, yes...entrapment, no. In other words, if a guy offers you $10 million to kill someone and you say yes, you would've done so anyway for a lot less money (or a little more sweet-talking and no payoff at all), so it wouldn't be entrapment. It's a very hard legal defense to put forth because you have to prove you wouldn't have ever done what you claim you were "entrapped" into doing.
Condolences to all those affected. It made for a sad day way back when I was living not far away. I think that it is possible that that POS shooter might simply have had the drop on the cops and if anything could have prevented the multiple deaths, it would have been an administrative tactic.
Hindsight being 20-20, it is all too easy to attribute blame retrospectively. There have been few comparable situations in recent history, thankfully, in Canada to my memory. You can only learn from errors and role playing and one cannot imagine every possible situation.
Having said that, there does appear to be a cover-up possibly based upon fear of repercussions to administration if this show is any indication. Kudos on the former cops who are unafraid to speak their minds, despite pressure.
Whether this cover-up led to false charges for these young men I would rather not speculate.
Instead, as a layperson, I would opine that the only reasonably sure way to deal with this situation going forward would be to bring a SWAT team to every conceivable confrontation with authority, which is obviously not doable or desirable.
They could teach their new recruits to be more defensive or at least ban going anywhere official unarmed. I hope this incident hasn't made the RCMP more trigger happy, though. Ultimately, there is not IMHO one can do to prevent a determined nutcase from causing damage, less better mental health and education.
The RCMP had been harassing him for years but could never get anything to stick. They were obsessed with him and then one day he decided to fight back.
I had NO IDEA about this cover up and I only live 3 hours away from where it happened. Unfortunately the Fed government is more concerned about protecting themselves against liabilities than fixing a problem they are aware of.
I remember this incident but never knew about Hennessey or Cheeseman. Another excellent report
Ya I thought that old Weebo Ludwig was involved in this
I will never trust a cop or ny kind of government official.
Shame, I have cop friends and a cop brother I would trust in the most extreme circumstances
The rcmp seem to be a lot like our Australian police forces
Why was roszko not in jail before the shooting, sounds like a cover up from someone very powerful , could roszko have.been a okay Procurer of children for the elite
I believe one of the higher up officers had a son doing drugs. Probably a connection there.
As a decent human being I would want the ACTUAL people that committed the crime to be locked up, not innocent freaking people!
This was the most confusing episode I've ever watched
Nnish Anad yep and this is the second time I’m watching 🤔
I thought it was the Red Hot Chile Pepper's...who were killing people
@@ceasedesist703 I'm gonna do a 3rd...I'm gonna figure it out !!!!
Nnish Anad, agreed, not much in the way of details, just random anecdotal comments with no substance or cohesion
I’m glad I’m not the only one! Second go round!
The RCMP used to hold themselves to a higher standard, now they just cover their asses... look at the 2013 High River Gun Grab. Nobody was held accountable, the top mountie got transferred.
Remember Ian Bush.