no President since lbj and jfk were so involved working in oval everyday on these government deals now its all done by hundred of bureaucrats and the behemoth federal government runs itself
I'm a staunch Republican, too, but have always admired JFK. I graduated from one of the first high schools named after him in 1967, just a few years after his death. I hope Robert Kennedy, Jr., knocks Biden out of the race.
He was truly great. The man was young, bold, and took no shit from anyone. He may have been young but he let everyone know that HE was in charge. The man had a pair of brass balls on him. Extreme respect.
He's mad as hell, for sure. He threatens to use the power of his office to fuck over TWA for "the rest of the time I'm here". He clearly believes he's acting in the best interests of America, but isn't that the kind of threat the Democrats just put Trump on trial for?
No. Where is the quid pro quo? Where are the fired diplomats in France and UK? Where is the threat of retaliation against a foreign government? Where is any mention of a re-election motive? Let's remember the context. Cold war. Space race. Nuke race. Etc.
Can you imagine with the country would be like if it had never had to go to Vietnam? The number of lives that would’ve been affected by that is just staggering.
His enemies were NEVER going “9 innings” with ANY Kennedy….no way. I believe his enemies saw him as a genuine and severe threat to their understanding of National security.
@@philomelodiaJFK got America entrenched in Vietnam when he sent 15,000 military into that country. It's a shame that the 22nd Amendment was passed and the USA did not get a 3rd term from Eisenhower.
nicolelee317 read up on him. He’s wasn’t any more or less than the rest of them. He did had a leg up though, his daddy bought both his Congress and Senate seats.
Your age is showing, lol. Do some research on John. Serial philanderer, treated his wife like crap, used people left and right, and couldn't have obtained the Presidency if it hadn't been for his dad, Joe's, influence and union ties. The Kennedy Family is one of the most corrupt in American history. Again, do the research and be open-minded.
yesorlando05: much of what you say is true, but once in office, though not perfect, he walked the walk. Smart and a true leader. Without him, perhaps we may never have gotten a Civil Rights bill passed?
Toia Townes: I appreciate your response; however, I didn’t say that Kennedy got the CRB passed, I said without him (it was a bill he initiated before he was murdered), it may have not been passed. Luckily, LBJ had the guts to push for it and get it passed in ‘65.
Nicolette my problem with JFK was that he didn't want to pursue black civil rights! It was Robert his brother that insisted the Gov intervention into the south enforcing racial integration! JFK told an African diplomat to stop complaining about the apartheid he encountered in the us! JFK also complained he had to deal with Russia asking rbt to postpone racial intervention! So JFK was generally good but no rock star!
Damn these phone calls are historic gold. I mean the furniture phone call is glorious to see another side of JFK. Shows all politicians are human who lose their cool and get angry, scream and swear.
It’s crazy how fast Kennedy speaks and everyone else was slow speakers so he always interrupts them cause he’s anticipating what they gonna say or maybe he just didn’t wanna hear what they had to say 😂
@@ilikethisnamebetter Since I'm one of those people who believes that Johnson had something to do with Kennedy's assassination, this adds fuel to the fire. Johnson was probably undermining Kennedy all along, trying to make things difficult for him, and wanted him to look bad. Johnson was a snake.
@@jc329 I don't know a lot about him, but from what I've heard he couldn't stand it if he didn't get what he wanted. He wanted to be President, so I'm inclined to agree with you.
Besides demonstrating a rational display of anger that got the job done as POTUS, this discussion also demonstrates exactly how forward thinking JFK was for our country. Envisioning America as the world leader in Supersonic jet airplanes 10 years ahead into the 1970s. Great leader. Great man. 🇺🇸
J f k was kicking ass and taking names. This is great to listen to. I can't believe how he is so crude and telling people how it is. Actually, I like him more after hearing it.
If you haven't watched the movie "13 Days" you would love it. It is intense from the very beginning and gives a glimpse into the kind of people the Kennedy brothers and their friends were. I highly recommend it.
What an incredibly competent President...no wonder the government took him out. He was strong, moral, outspoken and couldn't be pushed around. Vengence is Mine says the Lord. RIP Mr. Kennedy.
"the government" didn't take him out, a cabal of people with power inside the government took him out. Never, NEVER be talked out of electing a representative government.
"...I think you oughta call up and stick it right up his ass..." Caring, brilliant, incisive, taking no prisoners, letting the chips fall where they may... The irony, lost on many, is that JFK, while being the most astute political operator of his time, threw considerations of political expediency or advantage aside, when faced with important questions that transcended the petty politics of division and strife. I don't know, but that seems to me the defintion of statesmanship. Bear in mind, he knew he'd probably not survive past his mid-fifties, given his poor health, and wouldn't even have been assured a second term. The mind boggles, but we muddle through, somehow... Is it any wonder he was respected and loved in his own time, and still is today? I don't think so. No-one, to my mind, at least in the political arena, has since come close to his inspirational leadership. Over 2000 years ago, Plato asked where were the Philosopher Kings? We got our answer some 50 years ago, only to see his light extinguished like a falling star in the night sky, whose brief passage shone all-the-more brightly. We certainly don't have another 2000 years to wait; civilisation, as we know it, will've long since been snuffed out. As a dyed-in-the-wool, unapologetic atheist, I'm reminded of Richard Dawkins' words that this marvellously-gifted man was far too smart to have been anything other than an atheist. Long live JFK's spirit!.
Bullhorn. As smart as he was he had a deep sense of the universe and his place in it...By the way we can read from what Jackie has left us that JFK prayed nightly on his knees
JFKRFKNMPLATOFN I don't understand what you mean. "... a deep sense of the universe and his place in it..."??? You mean that he'd been singled out by providence? And that 'god' was in the driving seat? Or some such nonsense? You religious poltroons are so amusing! You no doubt think your prayers will be answered, don't you? And that your pleading, and vain, petty concerns, will be heeded by your 'god', when 'he' turns a blind eye to the suffering of innocent children, or to the young, pregnant mother, who's been disemboweled after being forcibly raped, for instance. The point, of course, is that there's no 'god' meddling in human affairs, and to believe you've been singled out for 'his' favour is no more than crass, self-centred stupidity. As for JFK praying "nightly on his knees", page and reference please. Of course, even I, as a longstanding atheist, might occasionally express my dismay by invoking 'god' in metaphorical turns-of-phrase, as in, "God help us!" That does not imply that I (or anyone else using this form of words) is conceding any belief in a deity or the supernatural at all. Hope that helps...
bullhorn3tails ouch I touched a sore spot there didn't I...I believe I heard it in the interviews about JFK she did on tape that came out about 2 years ago.. No need to get offended, I liked your post and you seem like an articulate person but to assume that JFK was an atheist is just as wrong as assuming he was religious. All I know is he had a sense that his time was limited and he knew the dark underworld of power he was living in. All I meant was, he knew what needed to be done and he would pry be killed doing it
Obviously JFK was furious with Tripp for announcing that he would buy some Concordes from Britain and France. Of course, it was later said that he wasn't really going to buy those planes but rather he had an option to buy. JFK didn't seem to be buying that. It's very clear that he was irate about that.
This is an amazing insider look at the initial history of supersonic transport. Unfortunately, the stress was unwarranted although, of course, JFK couldn't have known how the future would unfold. The Boeing SST never got beyond mock-ups and the British and French never made a dime off of their supersonic fleet. And, Pan Am is no more.
+robert glenn That's not technically true. Both British Airways and Air France made a profit operating it although Air France's profit was much, much smaller (different client base as opposed to BA catering to business travellers between London and New York/Washington).
theredraven I have to imagine it's all a matter of whose figures you accept. Some claim BA lost millions, others claim it made a moderate profit. Who really knows? I guess we have to compare the total revenue generated over the lifetime of the fleet with development costs, daily overhead, capital diverted from other operating divisions and anticipated write-offs over the years. Either way, it was a spectacular plane and I wish I could have taken just one trip...but, not the last one.
JFK was ALL-American, and all about America first. His tax cut push of '63 spurred not the longest economic expansion in history, but the strongest one. During the 1960's, after the Revenue Act of 1964 (JFK Tax Cut), we paid for a war in SE Asia, the Great Society Federal anti-poverty programs, and sent men to the moon....all the while, the national debt as a percent of the GNP fell every year during the entire decade, and wound up in 1969 with a small annual fiscal surplus. Lastly, the 1960's expansion period spurred the largest rise in real income for average Americans, with the year 1968 being the peak (if I'm not mistaken in memory). The economy back then was as powerful as those muscle cars of that era.
I was only 2 years old when he was assassinated, but considering the mess we are in today in 2020, I certainly hope that someday we have a chief executive that knows his facts and is that sharp and quick. Where have you gone, Jack?
Lol, Trippe couldn't care less, as his interests were kind of the same as Kennedy's, to survive among the competition in the future ahead. Kennedy's tirade is just pure frustration and the guys on the phone with him know that, that's why they don't say much, just the wrong instant to argue with your president.
***** You're in no position to judge Kennedy's level of anger on this (or any other) issue. As for his "language," there is absolutely NO connection between a man's character/integrity and whether he uses or does not use so-called profanity.
It's things like these that screwed Pan Am. Trippe's political missteps basically blocked Pan Am from getting domestic routes to feed his international line while allowing other airlines like TWA, United & Northwest to go international in the Pacific & Atlantic, eroding Pan Am's hold on those routes. It went downhill from there.
It went down hill for Pan American World Airways not because of this incident but government indifference toward Pan Am and the consequences the U.S. flying public is experiencing today with airlines offering a garbage product compared to Asian and European flag carriers…….
JFK was in excruciating pain most of the time from his back operation and having Addison's disease. He never showed it in public and most people don't know that when he was shot he couldn't lay down very well because he wore a back brace that went from his feet all the way up to make it so he couldn't really bend over or to the side very well. If it hadn't been for the back brace, he might have been able to duck down and avoid the killing shot. So many things about JFK that speak of the depth of his heart, loyalty and intelligence. He was no coward and he loved his country. Every president since him has been more or less a puppet to the powers that be. JFK took on every wrong he encountered and made bold, daring steps to right it.
the last statesman of USA..He had courage, could have enjoyed an easy life which rejected and instead faced high challenges with great responsability and made his best for world peace (see the american university speech of 1963)...and paid the highest price... too bad
If you saw the movie The Aviator, this conversation makes a lot of sense. The whole argument about creating a law that would only allow one airline the right to provide international flights was totally bogus and corrupt on its face. While Juan Trippe was getting cozy with the politicians, Howard Hughes was being racked over the coals for essentially doing the same thing with his company that everyone else was. I't's good to know that at least some of the time justice prevails.
Well it was serious touch and go for two weeks (57 years ago) back in October of '63. Thank God Kennedy was in office. As he said to his cabinet and staff after the Cuban missile crisis subsided and the world stepped back from the brink: "No Gloating!"
the movie "13 Days" was amazing. I loved it. They did an excellent job depicting JFK, RFK and their friend Kenny O'Donnell. Every American should watch that movie to get a glimpse of how close we came to annihilating the planet.
God bless Him !! This is fantastic. I love this ! Juan Trippe, the CEO of Pan Am is the character Alec Baldwin played in The Aviator when DeCaprio played Howard Hughes. Evidently Trippe was a slippery guy, remember he was a crony of the Maine Senator played by Alan Alda. The two tried to undermine Hughes because Pan Am wanted the monopoly on global flight patterns and TWA was competition for him and he didn't like it. They tried to screw Hughes, remember the hearings. Hughes exposed their game, gave them an earful and walked out of the hearing ! Juan Trippe, 20 years later, is the guy Kennedy is p*ssed at. My heart still bleeds for him, it still hurts, like an open wound, 53 years later.
The deficit was cut in half under Obama. That's quite an accomplishment and I'd argue much more fiscally responsible than Bush and his party which always wants to cut government revenue (taxes) while increasing spending in unnecessary areas (defense).
President Kennedy was "on the job" 24/7. He was desperately committed to please ALL sectors of our society; Big Business and Labor, The Military Industrial Complex, and The Peace Movement. To do this, he needed everyones fullest cooperation, ESPECIALLY controlling wage and price demands, and keeping US Dollars here in the USA. Reallocating defense spending AWAY FROM WEAPONS and using those dollars instead, in The Space Program and Commercial Aircraft Development(SST) was a good example of what was VITALLY important to President Kennedy.Doing this would also use defense dollars to create and or keep jobs for Americans,keep profits for Aerospace, balance the trade deficit, maintain World Peace, and keep America from having to borrow from The Fed in order to have a Great Society during The New Frontier. Alas, eventually there were too many who would not support Our President and he was finally forced to order Treasury Secy. Dillon to print some money rather than go to The Fed. Thanks for This Great Post David !
Blame it on court decisions over the past 40 years that have turned this country into a plutocracy. Citizens United among other decisions is a perfect example. They've legalized bribery, saying a corporation is a person and money is speech. The result is government is up to the highest bidder and it'll only work for the wealthy and corporations while the average American's interests are ignored. Now what does that have to do with what you said? Well, the entire point of a corporation is to maximize profits. They've turned government into their strong arm for maximizing those profits. They write the legislation and bribe law makers to pass trade deals that only benefit the corporations, not working Americans. So then they get to turn all their good paying American jobs into sweat shop jobs in South Asia. Instead of paying an American a living wage to make the products, they pay some 14 year old poor Asian kid to make it for 2 bucks. The result=maximized profits.
@Shorty lol how. Corporate bailouts? Ineffective crisis preparation? Proposing cdc budget cuts? Increasing the deficit? Playing more golf than any other president by far? Presiding over the greatest growth of inequality we've seen to date? Presiding over the HIGHEST White House turnover rate in history? Having many of his own staff and right hand men thrown in prison? Being caught in lies after lies after lies? How exactly lmao
The US dropped the SST program about 8 years later. The SST never made sense, they use five times the fuel per passenger just to knock a few hours off a transatlantic flight.
First of all, JFK is pissed here! And he gets more and more pissed the more he talks! Also, it almost seems like he's rounding up the usual suspects to figure out who may have known (or tacitly approved the fact) that Trippe was going to announce the "option" to buy the supersonic planes from Europe. Also, the initial conversation is with LBJ, which is interesting, because I was always left with the impression that the Kennedys kept LBJ at a distance, and here it seems LBJ was in discussions with Juan Trippe on behalf of the administration, not the sort of thing you do with a man who of whom you have always been very suspicious. I wonder if he suspects LBJ suborned the announcement from Trippe and that's seems like what he's most angry about.
+MMT Sr That guy is totally lying through his teeth saying, oh he isn't going to buy them. BS. This is why JFK used to get so angry. All these old bastards set in their ways thought they could push him around. Not so.
+Rick Vinson 'Not cost-effective' yet flew successfully for British Airways and Air France for almost 30 years...and at a profit. Only BA and AF had the aircraft which meant it was rare.....and the opportunity to fly it was something special. Concorde was way ahead of it's time. Concorde was retired because of rising fuel costs, some effects from post 9/11 aviation and the fact that Airbus who made spares no longer wanted to support it.....not because it wasn't 'cost-effective'.
+DarkLight753 Well, not many have $10,000.00 to put down for a plane ticket. As an aircraft that could be broadly used, no it was not cost effective. It was a gas guzzler and could not seat what a jumbo could. It was viable only for a handful of routes between big cities where people with big bucks could afford to fly on the damn thing. Don't tell me it was cost effective.
Rick Vinson I'm saying that even though they were expensive to fly on they were still a commercial success. They were reliable and also safe. In all her time in service Concorde had only one fatal accident in 2000. And the reason Boeing never built an SST was because the US Senate refused to fund the project any longer. Not because Boeing decided to stop. They didn't have a choice after the Senate pulled the plug. The US SST was a failure compared to Concorde and the Senate just didn't want to waste any more money. By the time they pulled the plug, Concorde and the TU-144 had already flown supersonic in tests.
+DarkLight753 Yes, a commercial success between London and New York, never between Nashville and Indianapolis. But supersonic transportation will make a comeback, I'm sure of that, and it will be broadly affordable. The science just isn't there yet.
Every major airline with Concorde orders cancelled them. The Concordes that British Airways and Air France flew were literally given away to them, if they had paid the original price they would have lost money. The Concorde was heavily subsidized by taxpayer money in Europe.
One time while John Kennedy was President, the Steel barons for, I think it was US Steel, please correct me if I'm wrong, they said there would be no price hikes. Then, turned right around and jacked up the price of steel. President Kennedy got mad as hell about that and made them lower their prices. Some of you probably know more about this and I'd love to hear from you. ✌Mike Pardue Rest in Peace President John Fitzgerald Kennedy.
I'm reading these comments about Kennedy. He was trying to promote us aviation development. Jaun Tripp who was a despicable business man went behind Americas back and tried to go to England and France and purchase supersonic jets. JFK's passion was american aviation all the way to space exploration. While JFK was trying to promote this all the way using supersonic flight as a stairway to promote public confidence in aviation and ultimately his space program Jaun Tripp try to back stab him. Jaun Tripp was known for this kind of business. it was so far from monopoly of public aviation , and probably one of the most American thing JFK did in office.
Charles Rose Trippe was a genius who's first priority was pan am. The Concorde was essential to pan am to remain competitive over the atlantic. He wasn't going to wait around for at least 10 years while the US developed their own supersonic airliner.
I'm a republican but I wish we had this man around now!! He was a superb politician! God Rest his Soul!
They killed him so we could have the Shit we have now!! We lost this country that day in 1963!!
He was funny, diplomatic, and wasn't going to let Russia push us around. Thanks for being a Republican who saw that this Democrat wasn't all bad.
no President since lbj and jfk were so involved working in oval everyday on these government deals now its all done by hundred of bureaucrats and the behemoth federal government runs itself
@@johnbach9223 if kennedy was alive today, he'd be a republican. The democrat party of JFK is long gone. you have no connection to his values.
I'm a staunch Republican, too, but have always admired JFK. I graduated from one of the first high schools named after him in 1967, just a few years after his death. I hope Robert Kennedy, Jr., knocks Biden out of the race.
He was truly great. The man was young, bold, and took no shit from anyone. He may have been young but he let everyone know that HE was in charge. The man had a pair of brass balls on him. Extreme respect.
He lost the Cuban Missile Crisis.
@@JamesRichards-mj9kwum, no.
@@kgeyedoc It's why he was assassinated.
@@JamesRichards-mj9kw He actually stopped a nuclear war from happening
@@Brad02526 But like wasn't it his fault for placing nuclear missiles in Turkey?
He was doing what he was elected for : to protect the interests of his country and ensure millions of jobs.
He's mad as hell, for sure. He threatens to use the power of his office to fuck over TWA for "the rest of the time I'm here". He clearly believes he's acting in the best interests of America, but isn't that the kind of threat the Democrats just put Trump on trial for?
No.
Where is the quid pro quo?
Where are the fired diplomats in France and UK?
Where is the threat of retaliation against a foreign government?
Where is any mention of a re-election motive?
Let's remember the context. Cold war. Space race. Nuke race. Etc.
@ imagine not being capable to differentiate between a liberal and a marxist
@ imagine not being capable to differentiate between a liberal and a marxist
@@terryallen9546 Nicely stated, Terry.
Wow, imagine having a President that actually cares about the country.
Even when he was angry he was very articulate
Eeven when hee wors aaangry, hee wors vehry aarticulate.
@@JohnSandwich 😂😂😂
Don't like his accent.. Bostonian accent!??
If hee herd ya talking like dat boi, he'd send ya to cuber!!!😅@@JohnSandwich
Damn shame we never had 8 years of JFK
Can you imagine with the country would be like if it had never had to go to Vietnam? The number of lives that would’ve been affected by that is just staggering.
Lol. Over the assassinS dead bodies. It was the overthrow of the sitting government.
@@CWYMAN77 LBJ
His enemies were NEVER going “9 innings” with ANY Kennedy….no way. I believe his enemies saw him as a genuine and severe threat to their understanding of National security.
@@philomelodiaJFK got America entrenched in Vietnam when he sent 15,000 military into that country. It's a shame that the 22nd Amendment was passed and the USA did not get a 3rd term from Eisenhower.
I'm 27 and I've always adored Kennedy. The man is brilliant, beautiful and a no bullshit kind of guy. The man is a rock star.
nicolelee317 read up on him. He’s wasn’t any more or less than the rest of them. He did had a leg up though, his daddy bought both his Congress and Senate seats.
Your age is showing, lol. Do some research on John. Serial philanderer, treated his wife like crap, used people left and right, and couldn't have obtained the Presidency if it hadn't been for his dad, Joe's, influence and union ties. The Kennedy Family is one of the most corrupt in American history. Again, do the research and be open-minded.
yesorlando05: much of what you say is true, but once in office, though not perfect, he walked the walk.
Smart and a true leader.
Without him, perhaps we may never have gotten a Civil Rights bill passed?
Toia Townes: I appreciate your response; however, I didn’t say that Kennedy got the CRB passed, I said without him (it was a bill he initiated before he was murdered), it may have not been passed.
Luckily, LBJ had the guts to push for it and get it passed in ‘65.
Nicolette my problem with JFK was that he didn't want to pursue black civil rights! It was Robert his brother that insisted the Gov intervention into the south enforcing racial integration! JFK told an African diplomat to stop complaining about the apartheid he encountered in the us! JFK also complained he had to deal with Russia asking rbt to postpone racial intervention! So JFK was generally good but no rock star!
I like hearing his voice. So authoritative and in control. He really lives up to his reputation. Glad this is uploaded.
When JFK is mad, he never stutters. That is a record. 😳
Damn these phone calls are historic gold. I mean the furniture phone call is glorious to see another side of JFK. Shows all politicians are human who lose their cool and get angry, scream and swear.
Love this! JFK was a badass President! I also love his Boston accent! I could listen to it all day!
"What kind of pressure?? Cause the goddam plane isn't gonna be ready for another 6 years!!" Hahaha
@@musicalmelodies3595 😆
@c0lorman341oh no... Not even close. He was a Massachusetts boy through and through. His mannerisms and accent scream New England.
@@Corwin1141 Not just new England, but "Bwastin" which is weeya I come from.
Even when JFK was Mad, it Looked Classy.
the guy was doing his job
good for him
Kennedy wasn't given enough credit for being a BADASS president. IMO
Unlike some other presidents.
This is EXACTLY the kind of person you want representing you in the Oval Office!!
And now we got invalid can't even wipe his own ass
@@nathanduckeorth806 Still Better than the Orange Fucking idiot who was before him.
@@rickjones257 ya think so????
Obviously John Fitzgerald Kennedy stood up with strength, determination for the interests of the country.
Yes because he came from money, he had no interest in fleeing office like most politicians.
Thank god for taped conversations…these are awesome 👏🏻👍🏻😂
I could listen to JFK's voice all day!
It’s crazy how fast Kennedy speaks and everyone else was slow speakers so he always interrupts them cause he’s anticipating what they gonna say or maybe he just didn’t wanna hear what they had to say 😂
I would probably shit my pants if he ever got mad at me 😂
😂😂me to😐
Intelligent, tough, and urbane, quite a combination, great leader!
He had the third highest IQ of all US Presidents at 158. Higher than him were Thomas Jefferson and John Adams.
If I were JFK, I would call him myself. The man he was talking to didn’t sound like he could punch himself out of a wet paper bag.
The first man he was talking to was Lyndon Johnson.
@@ilikethisnamebetter Since I'm one of those people who believes that Johnson had something to do with Kennedy's assassination, this adds fuel to the fire. Johnson was probably undermining Kennedy all along, trying to make things difficult for him, and wanted him to look bad.
Johnson was a snake.
@@jc329 I don't know a lot about him, but from what I've heard he couldn't stand it if he didn't get what he wanted. He wanted to be President, so I'm inclined to agree with you.
@ilikethisnamebetter Well, on 22 November 1963, an assassin's bullet(s) made him president
One of the few presidents who loved their country.
Man! JFK’s Irish is UP!
“ We’ll give him all the trouble he wants , because there isn’t anything that’ll make me more excited than that “
The human embodiment of class and true leadership in politics.
I wasn’t born when Kennedy was president. But I admire him so much !
with out him you never would have been bron.
I love hearing his voice. JFK and Jackie was and is America’s King and Queen!
So true. And this is missed by so many
JFK was a war hero before he even got into office. PT 109 was no picnic. No one should expect him to talk like Jimmie Stewart.
How far we've fallen.
JFK was smart and tough. if he had lived and been reelected in 1964 I don't think Vietnam would have happened the way it did.
It wouldn’t of happened at all
Isukaman
I think you are absolutely right 👍🏻
I find it funny he wanted to pull us out and was about to do it untill he was killed then we stayed...😳😳😳 i know he was assassinated and we all do
assassinated by CIA
@@coldbeatz3918 Lots of evidence of that. That's not the kind of thing that goes away. Consequences.
LBJ caused this mess for Jack.
I love how JFK is the one doing most of the talking. Everyone has to listen to the big guy vent before they can say anything. JFK was the man!
Tapes of LBJ and Nixon are similarly one-sided.
And they always sound so small and weak when responding
wow you don't want to get jfk mad lol
If a president spoke to me like that, my balls would shrink. I’d get his announcement out. Lol.
Besides demonstrating a rational display of anger that got the job done as POTUS, this discussion also demonstrates exactly how forward thinking JFK was for our country. Envisioning America as the world leader in Supersonic jet airplanes 10 years ahead into the 1970s. Great leader. Great man. 🇺🇸
So "Great" they had to kill him to prevent the country from having any chance!! We Lost this country that day in 1963!!
I love these. Thanks so much for making things like this available.
I love hes giving johnson the Johnson treatment LMAO
J f k was kicking ass and taking names. This is great to listen to. I can't believe how he is so crude and telling people how it is. Actually, I like him more after hearing it.
But today he would be censored and then replaced for using crude language and texting "mean" tweets.
Oh Christ, fuck that! Call Juan Tripp and tell him to shove it up his ass! Ok fine.
Now this is a PRESIDENT who talks the talk🇺🇸
great post of a real president!
I’m 27 and this man is my hero. Best president ever in my opinion, he’s a king; he’s straightforward, charming, and great at his job.
@@clippess11 that’s really amazing! 🙌🏽
A public servant that was concerned over the U.S. cost's! Absolutely TREMENDOUS!
This man seemed way more on top of things than our recent leaders, which makes one think.
jfk cursing best thing ever
If you haven't watched the movie "13 Days" you would love it. It is intense from the very beginning and gives a glimpse into the kind of people the Kennedy brothers and their friends were. I highly recommend it.
Impressive stuff. Real history.
What an incredibly competent President...no wonder the government took him out. He was strong, moral, outspoken and couldn't be pushed around. Vengence is Mine says the Lord. RIP Mr. Kennedy.
Douglas Dillon was a conspirator.
Just leaving this here...
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"the government" didn't take him out, a cabal of people with power inside the government took him out. Never, NEVER be talked out of electing a representative government.
LBJ took him out to become President. Humans his Texan oil cronies, a guy from Cuba and a few SS in on it.
He had many affairs.
Great Stuff. I could listen all day.
Get 'em, John.
I miss the days when the man in charge looked after the interests of those who voted for him, instead of those who paid for his campaign tours
See kids, that's when US leaders fought like hell to put America first.
Very sharp.
HAIL TO THE CHIEF!
"...I think you oughta call up and stick it right up his ass..."
Caring, brilliant, incisive, taking no prisoners, letting the chips fall where they may...
The irony, lost on many, is that JFK, while being the most astute political operator of his time,
threw considerations of political expediency or advantage aside, when faced with important questions that
transcended the petty politics of division and strife.
I don't know, but that seems to me the defintion of statesmanship. Bear in mind, he knew he'd probably not
survive past his mid-fifties, given his poor health, and wouldn't even have been assured a second term.
The mind boggles, but we muddle through, somehow...
Is it any wonder he was respected and loved in his own time, and still is today?
I don't think so. No-one, to my mind, at least in the political arena, has since come close to his
inspirational leadership.
Over 2000 years ago, Plato asked where were the Philosopher Kings? We got our answer
some 50 years ago, only to see his light extinguished like a falling star in the night sky, whose
brief passage shone all-the-more brightly.
We certainly don't have another 2000 years to wait; civilisation, as we know it, will've long since
been snuffed out.
As a dyed-in-the-wool, unapologetic atheist, I'm reminded of Richard Dawkins' words that this marvellously-gifted
man was far too smart to have been anything other than an atheist.
Long live JFK's spirit!.
Bullhorn. As smart as he was he had a deep sense of the universe and his place in it...By the way we can read from what Jackie has left us that JFK prayed nightly on his knees
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I don't understand what you mean.
"... a deep sense of the universe and his place in it..."??? You mean that he'd been singled out by providence? And that 'god' was in the driving seat? Or some such nonsense?
You religious poltroons are so amusing! You no doubt think your prayers will be answered, don't you? And that your pleading, and vain, petty concerns, will be heeded by your 'god', when 'he' turns a blind eye to the suffering of innocent children, or to the young, pregnant mother, who's been disemboweled after being forcibly raped, for instance.
The point, of course, is that there's no 'god' meddling in human affairs, and to believe you've been singled out for 'his' favour is no more than crass, self-centred stupidity.
As for JFK praying "nightly on his knees", page and reference please.
Of course, even I, as a longstanding atheist, might occasionally express my dismay by invoking 'god' in metaphorical turns-of-phrase, as in, "God help us!" That does not imply that I (or anyone else using this form of words) is conceding any belief in a deity or the supernatural at all.
Hope that helps...
bullhorn3tails ouch I touched a sore spot there didn't I...I believe I heard it in the interviews about JFK she did on tape that came out about 2 years ago.. No need to get offended, I liked your post and you seem like an articulate person but to assume that JFK was an atheist is just as wrong as assuming he was religious. All I know is he had a sense that his time was limited and he knew the dark underworld of power he was living in. All I meant was, he knew what needed to be done and he would pry be killed doing it
bullhorn3tails - and don't forget the deliberate 'screwing'! :)
So eloquently written, you now have my face leaking and my poodle perplexed. 😢😢😢
Obviously JFK was furious with Tripp for announcing that he would buy some Concordes from Britain and France. Of course, it was later said that he wasn't really going to buy those planes but rather he had an option to buy. JFK didn't seem to be buying that. It's very clear that he was irate about that.
Hoping, one day, for justice for JFK.
The conspirators had more power and money than JFK: Dulles, Dillon, Bundy, Rockefeller...
Never will happen but that's also what I said about repealing Roe.
God will take his vengeance
Loved the Kennedy's accent.
"He just threw away a million and a hof."
I love that accent: and jfk talks soo fast. Damn!
This is an amazing insider look at the initial history of supersonic transport. Unfortunately, the stress was unwarranted although, of course, JFK couldn't have known how the future would unfold. The Boeing SST never got beyond mock-ups and the British and French never made a dime off of their supersonic fleet. And, Pan Am is no more.
+robert glenn That's not technically true. Both British Airways and Air France made a profit operating it although Air France's profit was much, much smaller (different client base as opposed to BA catering to business travellers between London and New York/Washington).
theredraven I have to imagine it's all a matter of whose figures you accept. Some claim BA lost millions, others claim it made a moderate profit. Who really knows? I guess we have to compare the total revenue generated over the lifetime of the fleet with development costs, daily overhead, capital diverted from other operating divisions and anticipated write-offs over the years. Either way, it was a spectacular plane and I wish I could have taken just one trip...but, not the last one.
@@robertglenn5398 Any relation to the General?
JFK was ALL-American, and all about America first. His tax cut push of '63 spurred not the longest economic expansion in history, but the strongest one. During the 1960's, after the Revenue Act of 1964 (JFK Tax Cut), we paid for a war in SE Asia, the Great Society Federal anti-poverty programs, and sent men to the moon....all the while, the national debt as a percent of the GNP fell every year during the entire decade, and wound up in 1969 with a small annual fiscal surplus. Lastly, the 1960's expansion period spurred the largest rise in real income for average Americans, with the year 1968 being the peak (if I'm not mistaken in memory). The economy back then was as powerful as those muscle cars of that era.
I like it when he tell's to shove it up his Ass, THAT' S a real leader Too sad what happened to him !!!!!!!
All-American AND Irish! And we Irish take shit from no one!
l.b.j.was.good.in.many.ways..of.course.the.war.
Mick Vinny , he wasn’t Irish. He was 3rd generation American
That tax cut brought the marginal rate from 91% to 70% and the corporate rate from 52% to 48%. That’s much higher than they are today.
I was only 2 years old when he was assassinated, but considering the mess we are in today in 2020, I certainly hope that someday we have a chief executive that knows his facts and is that sharp and quick. Where have you gone, Jack?
2020: America First = just words.
1963: America First = action.
The only legitimate president we'll ever have LOL.
Lol, Trippe couldn't care less, as his interests were kind of the same as Kennedy's, to survive among the competition in the future ahead. Kennedy's tirade is just pure frustration and the guys on the phone with him know that, that's why they don't say much, just the wrong instant to argue with your president.
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You're in no position to judge Kennedy's level of anger on this (or any other) issue. As for his "language," there is absolutely NO connection between a man's character/integrity and whether he uses or does not use so-called profanity.
Any relation to Linda Trippe?
@@news4usunshine well said! I agree 100%
It's things like these that screwed Pan Am. Trippe's political missteps basically blocked Pan Am from getting domestic routes to feed his international line while allowing other airlines like TWA, United & Northwest to go international in the Pacific & Atlantic, eroding Pan Am's hold on those routes. It went downhill from there.
It went down hill for Pan American World Airways not because of this incident but government indifference toward Pan Am and the consequences the U.S. flying public is experiencing today with airlines offering a garbage product compared to Asian and European flag carriers…….
No bone spurs for JFK.
JFK was in excruciating pain most of the time from his back operation and having Addison's disease. He never showed it in public and most people don't know that when he was shot he couldn't lay down very well because he wore a back brace that went from his feet all the way up to make it so he couldn't really bend over or to the side very well. If it hadn't been for the back brace, he might have been able to duck down and avoid the killing shot. So many things about JFK that speak of the depth of his heart, loyalty and intelligence. He was no coward and he loved his country. Every president since him has been more or less a puppet to the powers that be. JFK took on every wrong he encountered and made bold, daring steps to right it.
Don’t let that easy public manner fool you he was not to be trifled with in any capacity.
the last statesman of USA..He had courage, could have enjoyed an easy life which rejected and instead faced high challenges with great responsability and made his best for world peace (see the american university speech of 1963)...and paid the highest price... too bad
If you saw the movie The Aviator, this conversation makes a lot of sense. The whole argument about creating a law that would only allow one airline the right to provide international flights was totally bogus and corrupt on its face. While Juan Trippe was getting cozy with the politicians, Howard Hughes was being racked over the coals for essentially doing the same thing with his company that everyone else was. I't's good to know that at least some of the time justice prevails.
The movie you mention is Hollywood garbage and is furthest from documented truth……
Well it was serious touch and go for two weeks (57 years ago) back in October of '63. Thank God Kennedy was in office. As he said to his cabinet and staff after the Cuban missile crisis subsided and the world stepped back from the brink: "No Gloating!"
the movie "13 Days" was amazing. I loved it. They did an excellent job depicting JFK, RFK and their friend Kenny O'Donnell. Every American should watch that movie to get a glimpse of how close we came to annihilating the planet.
October '62.
God bless Him !! This is fantastic. I love this ! Juan Trippe, the CEO of Pan Am is the character Alec Baldwin played in The Aviator when DeCaprio played Howard Hughes. Evidently Trippe was a slippery guy, remember he was a crony of the Maine Senator played by Alan Alda. The two tried to undermine Hughes because Pan Am wanted the monopoly on global flight patterns and TWA was competition for him and he didn't like it. They tried to screw Hughes, remember the hearings. Hughes exposed their game, gave them an earful and walked out of the hearing ! Juan Trippe, 20 years later, is the guy Kennedy is p*ssed at. My heart still bleeds for him, it still hurts, like an open wound, 53 years later.
JFK would be considered a Conservative today.
He spoke like a man, yet he spoke with an education, no F word every other word.
Scott Ferrell prez did say, "stick it right up his ass" Ahhhh haaaa.....
Scott Ferrell exactly. Well said.
They didn't use that kind of language back than.
Meg Kampen, that’s just not true. Johnson was infamous for his vulgarity.
Don’t be fooled, Kennedy was not above dropping the F-bomb from time to time. There’s plenty out there to hear, if you care to dig for it.
I wish our current president cared about our balance of payments!
+Barney Fife: You must speaking of the President before Obama!
+2468allan You think Obama is fiscally responsible? What hallucinogen are you on?
+Barney Fife: Yes. Obama is fiscally responsible. Compared to GW Bush!
The deficit was cut in half under Obama. That's quite an accomplishment and I'd argue much more fiscally responsible than Bush and his party which always wants to cut government revenue (taxes) while increasing spending in unnecessary areas (defense).
TheRickyp83 Obama accumulated more debt than any other President in history. He was a fucking idiot.
Anybody here seen my old friend John?
Thank you. 💔
The initial speaker sounds very much to me like VP Lyndon Johnson.
It is.
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I was Lyndon. Normally lbj dominates the conversation. But not with JFK. Then they got him in Texas and lbj got to dominate his cronies again.
Back when our leaders cared and worked for the US interests. Hands on and no bullshit.
President Kennedy was "on the job" 24/7. He was desperately committed to please ALL sectors of our society; Big Business and Labor, The Military Industrial Complex, and The Peace Movement.
To do this, he needed everyones fullest cooperation, ESPECIALLY controlling wage and price demands, and keeping US Dollars here in the USA. Reallocating defense spending AWAY FROM WEAPONS and using those dollars instead, in The Space Program and Commercial Aircraft Development(SST) was a good example of what was VITALLY important to President Kennedy.Doing this would also use defense dollars to create and or keep jobs for Americans,keep profits for Aerospace, balance the trade deficit, maintain World Peace, and keep America from having to borrow from The Fed in order to have a Great Society during The New Frontier. Alas, eventually there were too many who would not support Our President and he was finally forced to order Treasury Secy. Dillon to print some money rather than go to The Fed.
Thanks for This Great Post David !
Your post is one of the most intelligent and well read posts on this page. Respect to you for doing your homework.
@@rebfurr3554 thanks
I wish we had a JFK in the 21st century to preside over America...
JFK the people's President. Kickin' ass and taking names!
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Is that a Massachusetts accent?
It’s so lovely
Yes! Boston 🥰
The first conversation on this tape is with the man who was mortally plotting against him.
RIP Pan Am, Concorde planes and JFK.
But Boom OVERTURE is coming!
wow, a president actually concerened about buying foreign products?
the clowns we have as president now, cant seem to send jobs overseas fast enough!
Blame it on court decisions over the past 40 years that have turned this country into a plutocracy. Citizens United among other decisions is a perfect example. They've legalized bribery, saying a corporation is a person and money is speech. The result is government is up to the highest bidder and it'll only work for the wealthy and corporations while the average American's interests are ignored.
Now what does that have to do with what you said? Well, the entire point of a corporation is to maximize profits. They've turned government into their strong arm for maximizing those profits. They write the legislation and bribe law makers to pass trade deals that only benefit the corporations, not working Americans. So then they get to turn all their good paying American jobs into sweat shop jobs in South Asia. Instead of paying an American a living wage to make the products, they pay some 14 year old poor Asian kid to make it for 2 bucks. The result=maximized profits.
@Shorty lol how. Corporate bailouts? Ineffective crisis preparation? Proposing cdc budget cuts? Increasing the deficit? Playing more golf than any other president by far? Presiding over the greatest growth of inequality we've seen to date? Presiding over the HIGHEST White House turnover rate in history? Having many of his own staff and right hand men thrown in prison? Being caught in lies after lies after lies? How exactly lmao
JFK is going full Christian Bale mode!
He was the real deal. 🇺🇸
Passionate Celt Kennedy ripping apart Anglo Saxon stiffs.
You know your history
@@jameswoods5709 apparently the Kennedy line goes back to Brian Boru who kicked the vikings out of Ireland
Living within a budget. What a novel notion. More points for JFK. What a badass. Henry
My estimation of him just went up!
This is awsome stuff you found!!!!!
God rest JFK...... Our King....
The US dropped the SST program about 8 years later. The SST never made sense, they use five times the fuel per passenger just to knock a few hours off a transatlantic flight.
It turns out that Pan Am did blow the $1.5M since they never bought the Concorde after all.
jkev1122 never did. Well said.
Yep doh & they could’ve had Concorde...
First of all, JFK is pissed here! And he gets more and more pissed the more he talks! Also, it almost seems like he's rounding up the usual suspects to figure out who may have known (or tacitly approved the fact) that Trippe was going to announce the "option" to buy the supersonic planes from Europe. Also, the initial conversation is with LBJ, which is interesting, because I was always left with the impression that the Kennedys kept LBJ at a distance, and here it seems LBJ was in discussions with Juan Trippe on behalf of the administration, not the sort of thing you do with a man who of whom you have always been very suspicious. I wonder if he suspects LBJ suborned the announcement from Trippe and that's seems like what he's most angry about.
+MMT Sr That guy is totally lying through his teeth saying, oh he isn't going to buy them. BS. This is why JFK used to get so angry. All these old bastards set in their ways thought they could push him around. Not so.
MMT Sr LBJ was head of JFK's science committee including NASA so that is why LBJ was probably part of the SST discussions.
wow JFK is really mad! love the stuff you put up. JFK is up there with FDR in my mined
harrypotter6116 i like the stick it up his ass.. but of course now we have a gameshow host....more vulgar less smart.
"Otherwise were going to spend our time screwing Pan Am" What a Boss.
Fast , articulate , to the point unlike the current incumbent.
unlike any of the puppets we've had since JFK
He was a trained leader, who knew how to be a subordinate, and then a leader.
That's what corporations do - patriotism is the last thing they care about.
Ha-Ha! Pan Am bought no supersonics and Boeing didn't build its own supersonic. The plane was simply not cost effective. JFK was wasting his breath.
+Rick Vinson 'Not cost-effective' yet flew successfully for British Airways and Air France for almost 30 years...and at a profit. Only BA and AF had the aircraft which meant it was rare.....and the opportunity to fly it was something special. Concorde was way ahead of it's time.
Concorde was retired because of rising fuel costs, some effects from post 9/11 aviation and the fact that Airbus who made spares no longer wanted to support it.....not because it wasn't 'cost-effective'.
+DarkLight753 Well, not many have $10,000.00 to put down for a plane ticket. As an aircraft that could be broadly used, no it was not cost effective. It was a gas guzzler and could not seat what a jumbo could. It was viable only for a handful of routes between big cities where people with big bucks could afford to fly on the damn thing. Don't tell me it was cost effective.
Rick Vinson I'm saying that even though they were expensive to fly on they were still a commercial success. They were reliable and also safe. In all her time in service Concorde had only one fatal accident in 2000.
And the reason Boeing never built an SST was because the US Senate refused to fund the project any longer. Not because Boeing decided to stop. They didn't have a choice after the Senate pulled the plug.
The US SST was a failure compared to Concorde and the Senate just didn't want to waste any more money. By the time they pulled the plug, Concorde and the TU-144 had already flown supersonic in tests.
+DarkLight753 Yes, a commercial success between London and New York, never between Nashville and Indianapolis. But supersonic transportation will make a comeback, I'm sure of that, and it will be broadly affordable. The science just isn't there yet.
Every major airline with Concorde orders cancelled them. The Concordes that British Airways and Air France flew were literally given away to them, if they had paid the original price they would have lost money. The Concorde was heavily subsidized by taxpayer money in Europe.
One time while John Kennedy was President, the Steel barons for, I think it was US Steel, please correct me if I'm wrong, they said there would be no price hikes. Then, turned right around and jacked up the price of steel. President Kennedy got mad as hell about that and made them lower their prices. Some of you probably know more about this and I'd love to hear from you. ✌Mike Pardue Rest in Peace President John Fitzgerald Kennedy.
I'm reading these comments about Kennedy. He was trying to promote us aviation development. Jaun Tripp who was a despicable business man went behind Americas back and tried to go to England and France and purchase supersonic jets. JFK's passion was american aviation all the way to space exploration. While JFK was trying to promote this all the way using supersonic flight as a stairway to promote public confidence in aviation and ultimately his space program Jaun Tripp try to back stab him. Jaun Tripp was known for this kind of business. it was so far from monopoly of public aviation , and probably one of the most American thing JFK did in office.
He was trying to make America great!
My thoughts as well but I admire what trippe did for the advancement of the industry as well
Charles Rose Trippe was a genius who's first priority was pan am. The Concorde was essential to pan am to remain competitive over the atlantic. He wasn't going to wait around for at least 10 years while the US developed their own supersonic airliner.
Now do you think a woman could handle this? Hahaha.
No problem for any Irishwoman!
Impressive drive he had
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