Can Polyester Machine Embroidery Thread Be Used For Rod Building? Let's Look At The Pros And Cons
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2020
- There are some misconceptions about the use of polyester thread when it comes to rod building. This video will hopefully clear those up. There are some pros and cons to using polyester thread for wrapping a fishing rod...and nylon too for that matter. Let's take a look and see what you need to consider before deciding if you want to use polyester machine embroidery thread for your rod build. The biggest positive in my opinion polyester has going for it is a better dyeing process and less fading due to UV light. In the video, I will be talking about thread weight and how it relates to thread size. I will also be talking about the strength and work-ability of both nylon and polyester thread.
I hope this helps clear things up a little.
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Thanks *VERY* much for this video. I'm completely new to rod-repair; I'm making ready to restore 2 split-bamboo fly rods and an old bamboo "surf stick"; and, this video answered SEVERAL of my questions. 👍👍
Hi , That is some very good information , Here in New Zealand rod wrapping nylon is up to $16 for a standard small spool , The local $2 emporium has mountains of poly thread for $1 a spool , Never crossed my mind to use this for rod wrapping , I'm off down there now , Thank you sir for invaluable information , Happy fishing !
Just make sure too look for some of the machine embroidery polyester. Regular all purpose polyester sewing thread is thinner and very fuzzy.
Great info. New to building.
I used a sharpie to color white nylon thread, I let it dry then epoxy .
I didn’t have the color thread I needed for the wrapping of the guides.
Well I was kinda researching threads as I’ve just started getting into refinishing some antique heavy weight bamboo saltwater rods , now I don’t know if they had polyester or nylon back in the 30’s , that they were finishing rod guides with , but new age threads have a lot more colors than back in the day and are better quality than back then , I just bought a large bag of polyester embroidery spools today at a goodwill store for $5.00 some of the colors were pretty bright but there were a couple that I could use , it’s hard finding any close up pictures of guide wrappings from back then so most of my information has come from pre existing rods I’ve seen , this video was vary informative as it talks about weights of thread ,color retention, moisture absorption, things I’ve never thought about, all of these rods will be wall hangers and just have to look good for the rest of their lives , thanks for posting 👍
Good luck with your rebuilds!
You hit it right on about general use polyester thread being so fuzzy. That’s what I started with for practicing and it was so bad. Thanks for pointing out there’s higher quality one so I’ll look for that. Do you know what properties the higher ones are made of when I looked for it locally? Or just by look and feel?
Just look and feel really. Any of the machine embroidery polyester thread should be good stuff. Trilobal polyester is always top notch stuff 👍
Informative for sure!
Thanks!
Thanks for the info Grandma's sewing box. Has all kinds of Goody's.
No problem, just avoid all purpose polyester sewing thread. Anything fuzzy like like stuff is isn’t well suited to rod building 👍
Machine embroidery polyester is what you are wanting.
Love your videos, when shopping for this thread what is equal to size a ?
@RodneyJohnson-dj9oz 40wt is similar in size
I have always used poly thread for fishing poles, fly rods and even on my hunting crossbow, but yes, I have always clear coat. For clear coat, what isn't modpodge is clear fingernail polish and/or clear spray.
That's all I use as well. I find it a little nicer to work with than the nylon but that is just a personal preference.
Are you stating that if I use a polyester thread I should apply modpodge sealer then fingernail polish as a epoxy replacement?
Thanks for helping us to see the "Emperor's New Clothes". In other words, using more expensive/traditional materials don't necessarily make it better.
Another there are a lot more color choices when using polyester embroidery thread. As I have about 120 different colors(shades) and only have about half of the ones available by that manufacturer. I also you think you get quit a bit more. Great video.
That was gold for me! I’m starting my first rod build ever and have no « rod building supplies » on the area and shipping fees are crazy for 1-2 spools of threads! Thank you SO much!!
No problem and good luck with your build!
Great video and very informative. When using Mod Podge as a color preserver are you applying it straight or do you cut it with water and how many coats? I’m currently working on an 8wt fiberglass fly rod using Coats and Clark machine embroidery thread.
I almost always use it straight and with 2 coats. You can cut it with water and I have used as much as 50/50 in testing without issues. Since you are using half as much material, I used 2x's as many coats when cutting it 50/50 with water. 50/50 Mod Podge and water, 4 coats. I always recommend someone try some practice wraps and see if it works as well for them and their epoxy as it does for me. Hope that helps!
Great video, well presented. I picked up some "embroidery" thread from hobby lobby and it looks good on the spool but ehen it comes to finishing the fuzzys rear their ugly head. Do you have a prefered brand of thread?
I like the Coats and Clark machine embroidery thread. Sulky and Madeira both also make high quality machine embroidery thread with no fuzzys.
Hello, I really enjoyed the video and the investment, it really helped. I wanted to please ask about the mod podge, can it be used as a color preserver and in your experience is it UV resistant and not yellowing ? And how long do you have to wait between layers ? Thanks in advance
From what I've read online, Mod Podge can yellow over time. In my personal experience, I've never had that happen to any rod I used it on. I use a rod building finish that has UV inhibitors (most rod building epoxy finish does) so that probably prevents it from yellowing.
As far as dry time goes, it is really quick. I usually wait around 5 minutes between coats and then let the final coat dry for 30 minutes to an hour before applying the epoxy. If it is dry to the touch it is ready for epoxy if you are using Polyester thread. If you are using Nylon, I'd give it between 1 and 2 hours before applying epoxy because Nylon dries slower and can retain water internally for a longer period of time.
I usually use 2 to 4 coats.
@@TheFishingHobby I thank you very much for the professional and detailed answer, and especially for the time you devoted to it - you helped me a lot
No problem 👍
Thanks.
Great info, I just have a hard time seeing polyester thread wearing glasses, using a magnifying glass and plenty of light. Ageing stinks , oh well. New subscriber! Now looking to build or buy some kind of holder to hold magnifying glass, flies, other things
I can see where the smaller diameter would cause some issues. I use magnification some too, it helps!
@@TheFishingHobby i just picked up the magnifying headband from HFT for 4.99.
Unbelievable, works great and I can see the thread and read small print from 4 foot away on laptop!!!
I might have a look at those, thank you!
i’m using the coats and clark machine embroidery thread if i don’t use cp like mod podge will it be translucent?
Yes and you may have issues with your epoxy too. If you want a translucent look, test a wrap with epoxy on it to make sure it doesn’t have silicone or wax on the thread. If your epoxy doesn’t work right on the thread without CP, you will not be able to do translucent wraps.
I use it for fly tying
Some good info Kevin! My wife has been buyin me some thread from Joannes. They seem to have a good selection. Plus my wife uses her coupons with the thread makin it cheaper to buy. Its a win win! Not gonna be doin anything for a while after next Wednesday, gotta have surgery on my left shoulder. Will be several months before I am even able to use it. Really sucks! Its a bitch gettin old lol!😉
Richard from Kansas;)
I hope you have a speedy recovery!
@@TheFishingHobby thanks Kevin! If ya dont here from me fer a while youll know why😁
Thanks Kevin! Useful info. Why is it that you mostly find A & D size rod wrapping thread available and not the in between sizes? Sometimes A is a little too thin and D a little too thick for certain applications.
@@owenbosen4254 good question Owen
@@owenbosen4254 you can find them but the selection might not be quite as good. Here is some size C thread for example: barlowstackle.com/Rodsmith-Nylon-Rod-Wrapping-Thread-Size-C-P3224/
I suppose that A and D are the most popular sizes so most places that sell rod building supplies carry it.
What size Poly would you use for size D. I think D is for heavier rod building if i'm correct.
I'm not sure. Nylon upholstery thread is similar in diameter to size D, but it isn't Polyester. Maybe someone makes a polyester upholstery thread that is similar in size to D thread?
@@TheFishingHobby It sounds like polyester 20 weight would be about double the size of 40 weight, thus perhaps closer to a D size nylon thread ... ?
Sounds reasonable. You have to be careful with polyester threads though. Some of it is very fuzzy and not well suited for for building. The machine embroidery thread is very smooth and works great. All purpose seeing thread is also polyester and it is very fuzzy. Upholstery thread is usually very smooth and usually a lot thicker than embroidery thread. If someone found some polyester embroidery thread, that may just be the ticket!
If the thread is not NCP I always use color preserver no matter wut thread it is
Some people like translucent wraps but when using embroidery thread, it's usually better to be safe and plan on using CP in case they used silicon on the thread.
I have used embroidery thread without CP when I wanted translucent wraps and never had a problem, but I always do a test wrap first just to make sure.
Sheeshh, I had no idea there were such differences in the threads. Seems to me, not being an expert or anything, that the polyester's color lasting longer when exposed to the sun is pretty significant. Well unless you just don't care if the thread fades.
The rod thread finish (epoxy) has UV inhibitors in it that help prevent fading of nylon thread so that pretty much solves that issue. I have seen some old rods that have been out in the sun enough to yellow the epoxy and faded the wraps, but I'm not sure how much uv inhibitors were used in older rod finish epoxy.