The thing is, the closest thing I've ever seen to a rabid Linux evangelist in my years as a Sysadmin was just a... guy with three or four stickers on his laptop. Period. He didn't lambaste you for using Windows if you weren't a technical person, he didn't make public comments on iPhone users and even troubleshooted my colleagues' iDevices as professionally as you'd expect. He was a Linux diehard and could go off the deep end if you got him started - but he never lost sight of the fact that some levels of attachment just aren't workable in polite society. At the end of the day, it's just an OS. All the toxic, echo-chamber stuff I read online really feels like insecure kids posturing and trying to set themselves as a bigger Linux diehard than the other guy in the context of a closed ecosystem like a Discord server.
@@vranigavrani He's mostly referring to Discord or other closed communities. And yeah, there's some Linux distros that foster a certain sense of entitlement. Take Arch, where people are so convinced that anyone who stops by the Arch forums is going to have read the full documentation that most initial answers are kind of abrasive. The fact is, most computer users don't actually RTFM. They picked Arch to make a statement, and now expect quick fixes - which the Arch community and the distro itself aren't great at providing.
well look in my comment section for one ;) and other windows videos will have some also, and yes forums, discord, Reddit, Facebook, X! well any online social place there will be those crazy once. But if people listen to my video I also say that they are by far not the majority, however they are the loudest one, and at the end of the video I called out the silent majority to start taking actions, and say that they don't want that, and start to clean out the community :O For every bad Linux person there is 20 good people that just say nothing and let them continue ruin a good thing. hack I even came out saying I loved Linux in this video lmao.
@@KentsTechWorld Oh, I noticed. And thanks for replying. The easiest action I've found is just to block or mute the zealous types. Trying to engage with them typically doesn't do much of anything; they're set in their ways. They know they're wrong on some level, but all that posturing clearly compensates for something they're lacking in life. Self-confidence, mostly.
I noticed that immediately when I began using linux how fucking weird, strnage, and beyond over paranoid linux people can be. I mean every os probably has morons because that is just people in general but wow.. the dumb shit you see from linux people to cope over the os is hilarious to just damn weird. They are constantly coping over one thing or another not working by saying it's trash or use something else as their go to cover up.. I spent decades on windows and never seen such weird shit like that lol.
I am on this ride for over 20 years. Not exclusive Linux, mind you, but trust me when I say the shit you will experience with these people is beyond brain rot.
@@MegaManNeo lol lucky for me I rarely get involved with communities. Even in online games I'll solo everything until it's up to specific group dungeons. I do remember one reject in the mint discord though. We're talking about gaming and it led to the switch and he was like he would get one if it was opened source.. 🤣 I'm like wtf does the source code gotta do play with just having a good game? 😆 And good god the copium these rejects use for the countless things that don't work on Linux.. it's a fun os but it's true, these companies don't give a fuck about it and the hilariously small percentage of users. You get other channels throwing a new years celebration when a 0.04% increase happens.. I'm like really? 😂 They actually think that's an actual threat to windows which is just damn hilarious. I like Linux but the stuff you see from these people is just damn hilarious.
@@kolz4ever1980 "The Year of the Linux Desktop" was repeated for so many years, it's hilarious. Still you have to admit with the recent popularity of Proton and the SteamDeck, Linux is closer to gain popularity on the desktop than ever before. And you know the funniest part about this? It's because a commercial company that sells closed source games actively pushes Linux. Don't get me wrong, I really enjoy using Linux and having FOSS is actually pretty handy in certain situations, but at the end of the day we as users also need a system that works and that's all of them right now, even if Windows 11 is a weird mess that I as Windows 10 user from day 1 never understood.
I use Linux for a lot of things, but I don't participate in Linux communities. I find a lot of these people pretty unlikable and sometimes damn condescending.
Same here. They talk about how you should use it then turn around and treat you like you are scum when you ask for help learning it. They are so toxic and condescending that it makes many people not want to bother switching. Sometimes it almost feels like those kids that pretend they know how to do something and act like you are stupid for not automatically knowing when they themselves dont even know how its done lol.
Jerks are present in every community, you should just ignore them. I can't say that most people in the Linux community are toxic, in fact, most of my interactions were pretty sane.
So you made a whole video because your mad at comments? Seems like a good thing to spend your time thinking about. Nothing terminally online about that.
Truth about "Linux community": There is community of Blender users. There is community of C++ developers, there is community of Firefox users and so on. Users of certain technology make that community. How about support? All those commercial enterprise OS offer paid support. Red Hat has very good support, possible best you can get. How about having no cost operating system with FREE support some unknown person from Internet? That is not reality if you are not talking family member, friend or something. There are no people who know every piece of technology invented in past 50 years that are willing to be free consultants and teach people to use computers free and give free support. It is known fact that free (in cost and also Stallman-free) systems are largely used in business because Red hat is pricing itself out, but it is made for developers from developers, for their own interest. Sure IT-companies can give support but that is not free.
Ohh?!😯😅. i just came here to say. why can't we uses any OS that works for us?. if you worked. then it worked for you. if it me worked for me. then it worked for me. why don't we use all linux. windows. mac. freeBSD.?
Livin' la vida loca... I did 'not-see' the Linux userbase taking this turn decades ago. They seemed happy, geeky and harmless. When did /g/ and /pol/ do a fusion dance?!
Have fun with Windows Recall. Wait until the government wants to look through your files. And yes, Recall is installing on EVERY 24H2 instance. Merry Christmas.
That was a really good video. The difference in personality of Linux users that arise from steam deck and Linux user that arise from FSF is the best example of your points
Software being open-source is a really-really-really-really nice bonus, but there's no way on Earth GIMP is better or alternative to Photoshop just because it's FOSS. I'll choose FOSS if I have equal functionality and usability between free software and free and open-source software, but I'll not choose FOSS software just because it's FOSS if it's worse. And I don't get people that want fully FOSS system and advocate for that, that is not any reasonable person would do. Open-source gives an advantage in communication with developers and improving software, contributing to it if you can, but that's not going to carry a software to masses, it's not going to push a software to enough amount of people. Zed is not popular because it's open-source, it's popular because it's good and fast and open-source is a good bonus.
[16:00] yes, they don't have an idea how the world works. If I just hear the voice of Richard Stallman, my blood pressure goes up. By the way, those people are the worst humans in the world. They are religious. They want to force everybody to believe their own beliefs.
I like the basic idea of FOSS, in the sense that it's people pulling themselves up by their bootstraps. I wouldn't use it as an excuse to strip out content that works, though. As for anything proprietary containing "malware", that's a bit excessive. Most EULAs tend to warn you when installing something leads to data-collection efforts, or when added services are going to be run in accordance with the software's use cases. So far, in my eight years as a Sysadmin, I haven't run into a single Windows program that doesn't, in some shape or form, contain a paragraph of text that essentially goes "Here is why I need to phone home and why I need to report what you're doing." If the main objection is that you didn't get to click a "I Consent" button or that you're opposed to being served ads you could easily block out on your own end, that's not an issue with the software. It's an issue of Legalistics and of a lot of end-users having as little technical understanding as they do legal understanding. That said, when free software unequivocally does the job, like LibreOffice? I absolutely do not mind using it.
Every time I see more furr and more pronounce in the Linux community, I think I made an error installing Linux. I don't think cultists are the worst there 😆probably not.
I can not really have a solid opinion, but I have noticed that in my 6 months so far using linux, FOSS only means "ya its shitty software but its open source and F$(@ the man" I am sorry but if I cant find better work flows I will have to move back to full time WIndows/Mac
@@vranigavrani i understand and why I want to switch but if I can’t work with the shitty programs available to replace my work flow it doesn’t really matter. I’m not a programmer and I can’t contribute to fix the issues I have. I am purely a user so I don’t really have opinions on FOSS
@@vranigavrani well I can’t do my job with the software out there to make money to eat so the privacy and all that don’t matter. I want to use Linux and be private but the software suits that supposedly work with Linux and widows for work do not and always seem to bug out unexpectedly. It’s issues like this that keep Linux niche. To be clear I know Linux is harder to use and is a trade off for security but I keep having to redo work because it won’t transfer I’ll take windows knowing what my prostate looks like to not do work twice .
don't worry I will move on :D I just like making people see how toxic some really are, as I keep being told that there is not really toxic people in linux lol
A friend of mine ask if he should get a steam deck or a ally, i immediately said ally cause i told him i wasnt going to be his system admin if he gets the steam deck Normal people just want things to just work, last thing i wanted to hear was why he couldnt play rainbow six or some shit on it
Not that he would've needed you; SteamOS is perfectly workable even if you willfully ignore the Linux backend. If said friend had wanted to try out CryoUtilities, for instance, he would've at best learned how to add a password to his account and how to navigate KDE. That doesn't exactly scream "I need a sysadmin!" to me.
I don't think people anymore care about Richard Stallman opinions. In my point of view, there was that free software movement but when that free software come to common use, developers didn't care Richard Stallman ideology. Instead they started to talk about open source, not about free software. There is good Wikipedia article on subject "Open-source-software movement".
@@vranigavrani But the community in reality is the users of that specific program or technology. I'm sure that some Javascript community or Blender community are helpful. The problem is that some people are so beginners that they don't even know how to use computer and expect some free support, and that is not people interest. If someone interest is 3D-modelling, that may help on modelling techniques for example. People should find out for themselves what interests them and learn to use computer, for example by studying yourself or in school and then do your stuff in your community where you run and share programs.
@@DV-ml4fm He doesn't hate Linux, he seems to hate a subset of Linux users who think they know what they are talking about, but in reality don't have a clue. And there's many a Linux user...
You just lowered yourself to linux user level, and gave zero compelling arguments. Those who know what is really happening will have recognized the following: The difference between open source and proprietary software is the same difference between democrat/left wing and republican/right wing politics, or the difference between pepsi and coca cola. They are *false* choices, that keep you in the matrix, ignoring the 4th, 5th, 6th, etc. choices that exist out there.. The problem is not proprietary software, but the fact that software is controlled by trillion dollar semi-governmental big brother entities. What is worse they "own" all the patents so that no other companies can compete against them. These same trillion dollar companies are using the software to actively spy on people. To the contrary, the problem with open source, is that it lowers the wages of software developers, and get developers to work practically for free for these same trillion dollar corporations. Google, Mircrosoft, IBM, HP, etc *own* the linux foundation, and take all that "free" code and make money with it, without having to pay salaries to software developers. What no one seems to understand that these are *not* the only 2 choices.
I think you don't understand trolling, making fun off, poking people, aggravating people. I been told that there really are no toxic people in linux and/or I am over reacting when I say there is. Peoples comments on videos like this prove me right.. The whole point of the video as if you see my discord was for that reason, to agro those crazy people in to react, and make money of them. I do agree on part of your comment, but that's not what this video is about and is another subject for another video. This video is just me and my discord having some fun and test a theory, and so far we have been proven right.
all operating systems suck, screw computers, return to abacus
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The thing is, the closest thing I've ever seen to a rabid Linux evangelist in my years as a Sysadmin was just a... guy with three or four stickers on his laptop. Period. He didn't lambaste you for using Windows if you weren't a technical person, he didn't make public comments on iPhone users and even troubleshooted my colleagues' iDevices as professionally as you'd expect. He was a Linux diehard and could go off the deep end if you got him started - but he never lost sight of the fact that some levels of attachment just aren't workable in polite society. At the end of the day, it's just an OS.
All the toxic, echo-chamber stuff I read online really feels like insecure kids posturing and trying to set themselves as a bigger Linux diehard than the other guy in the context of a closed ecosystem like a Discord server.
@@vranigavrani He's mostly referring to Discord or other closed communities. And yeah, there's some Linux distros that foster a certain sense of entitlement. Take Arch, where people are so convinced that anyone who stops by the Arch forums is going to have read the full documentation that most initial answers are kind of abrasive. The fact is, most computer users don't actually RTFM. They picked Arch to make a statement, and now expect quick fixes - which the Arch community and the distro itself aren't great at providing.
well look in my comment section for one ;) and other windows videos will have some also, and yes forums, discord, Reddit, Facebook, X! well any online social place there will be those crazy once.
But if people listen to my video I also say that they are by far not the majority, however they are the loudest one, and at the end of the video I called out the silent majority to start taking actions, and say that they don't want that, and start to clean out the community :O
For every bad Linux person there is 20 good people that just say nothing and let them continue ruin a good thing.
hack I even came out saying I loved Linux in this video lmao.
@@KentsTechWorld Oh, I noticed. And thanks for replying. The easiest action I've found is just to block or mute the zealous types. Trying to engage with them typically doesn't do much of anything; they're set in their ways. They know they're wrong on some level, but all that posturing clearly compensates for something they're lacking in life. Self-confidence, mostly.
I noticed that immediately when I began using linux how fucking weird, strnage, and beyond over paranoid linux people can be. I mean every os probably has morons because that is just people in general but wow.. the dumb shit you see from linux people to cope over the os is hilarious to just damn weird. They are constantly coping over one thing or another not working by saying it's trash or use something else as their go to cover up.. I spent decades on windows and never seen such weird shit like that lol.
I am on this ride for over 20 years. Not exclusive Linux, mind you, but trust me when I say the shit you will experience with these people is beyond brain rot.
@@MegaManNeo lol lucky for me I rarely get involved with communities. Even in online games I'll solo everything until it's up to specific group dungeons. I do remember one reject in the mint discord though. We're talking about gaming and it led to the switch and he was like he would get one if it was opened source.. 🤣 I'm like wtf does the source code gotta do play with just having a good game? 😆 And good god the copium these rejects use for the countless things that don't work on Linux.. it's a fun os but it's true, these companies don't give a fuck about it and the hilariously small percentage of users. You get other channels throwing a new years celebration when a 0.04% increase happens.. I'm like really? 😂 They actually think that's an actual threat to windows which is just damn hilarious. I like Linux but the stuff you see from these people is just damn hilarious.
@@kolz4ever1980 "The Year of the Linux Desktop" was repeated for so many years, it's hilarious. Still you have to admit with the recent popularity of Proton and the SteamDeck, Linux is closer to gain popularity on the desktop than ever before.
And you know the funniest part about this? It's because a commercial company that sells closed source games actively pushes Linux.
Don't get me wrong, I really enjoy using Linux and having FOSS is actually pretty handy in certain situations, but at the end of the day we as users also need a system that works and that's all of them right now, even if Windows 11 is a weird mess that I as Windows 10 user from day 1 never understood.
I use Linux for a lot of things, but I don't participate in Linux communities. I find a lot of these people pretty unlikable and sometimes damn condescending.
Same here. They talk about how you should use it then turn around and treat you like you are scum when you ask for help learning it. They are so toxic and condescending that it makes many people not want to bother switching. Sometimes it almost feels like those kids that pretend they know how to do something and act like you are stupid for not automatically knowing when they themselves dont even know how its done lol.
I use Linux because I like it.
But I don't like most of the community.
I have a serious mental problem. Can't stay away from Linux spaces, they're so much fun to argue with.
Jerks are present in every community, you should just ignore them. I can't say that most people in the Linux community are toxic, in fact, most of my interactions were pretty sane.
@@Damglador Seems to be the majority.
You are pretty much just re-enacting the very rantings that lead to the separation of the Open Source and Free Software movements.
good the free software moment if a joke
So you made a whole video because your mad at comments?
Seems like a good thing to spend your time thinking about. Nothing terminally online about that.
Nope I amend a video making fun of people like you 👍
It is easier to repeat what is said online than to see what is good and what is bad.
You bring humor and sunshine to my day with these linux videos.
Why do you waste your time making videos on this stuff if you hate it so bad sir.
Truth about "Linux community":
There is community of Blender users. There is community of C++ developers, there is community of Firefox users and so on. Users of certain technology make that community.
How about support? All those commercial enterprise OS offer paid support. Red Hat has very good support, possible best you can get. How about having no cost operating system with FREE support some unknown person from Internet? That is not reality if you are not talking family member, friend or something.
There are no people who know every piece of technology invented in past 50 years that are willing to be free consultants and teach people to use computers free and give free support. It is known fact that free (in cost and also Stallman-free) systems are largely used in business because Red hat is pricing itself out, but it is made for developers from developers, for their own interest. Sure IT-companies can give support but that is not free.
More Gnu/comedy please! Study says that free beer tastes better. -Sysadmin
Ohh?!😯😅. i just came here to say. why can't we uses any OS that works for us?. if you worked. then it worked for you. if it me worked for me. then it worked for me. why don't we use all linux. windows. mac. freeBSD.?
🤣Here is your beer🍺
Genius 😂
Livin' la vida loca...
I did 'not-see' the Linux userbase taking this turn decades ago. They seemed happy, geeky and harmless. When did /g/ and /pol/ do a fusion dance?!
this is sad that most of them just enjoy the free thing without supporting it by any means
Fr, supporting creators of FOSS software should be more mainstream
most of them live still with their parents and dont have a job
RHEL and most "Linux" users are not friends anymore.
Have fun with Windows Recall. Wait until the government wants to look through your files. And yes, Recall is installing on EVERY 24H2 instance. Merry Christmas.
I think you need to learn what you are talking about first ;)
Also please point out where in told people to use Windows in the video??
Happy new year
That was a really good video. The difference in personality of Linux users that arise from steam deck and Linux user that arise from FSF is the best example of your points
Software being open-source is a really-really-really-really nice bonus, but there's no way on Earth GIMP is better or alternative to Photoshop just because it's FOSS. I'll choose FOSS if I have equal functionality and usability between free software and free and open-source software, but I'll not choose FOSS software just because it's FOSS if it's worse. And I don't get people that want fully FOSS system and advocate for that, that is not any reasonable person would do.
Open-source gives an advantage in communication with developers and improving software, contributing to it if you can, but that's not going to carry a software to masses, it's not going to push a software to enough amount of people. Zed is not popular because it's open-source, it's popular because it's good and fast and open-source is a good bonus.
I wonder if it was the same with Unix users?
100% True!
the best linux distro i've found after 2-ish yrs of using them, is mac lol
[16:00] yes, they don't have an idea how the world works. If I just hear the voice of Richard Stallman, my blood pressure goes up. By the way, those people are the worst humans in the world. They are religious. They want to force everybody to believe their own beliefs.
I like the basic idea of FOSS, in the sense that it's people pulling themselves up by their bootstraps. I wouldn't use it as an excuse to strip out content that works, though. As for anything proprietary containing "malware", that's a bit excessive. Most EULAs tend to warn you when installing something leads to data-collection efforts, or when added services are going to be run in accordance with the software's use cases. So far, in my eight years as a Sysadmin, I haven't run into a single Windows program that doesn't, in some shape or form, contain a paragraph of text that essentially goes "Here is why I need to phone home and why I need to report what you're doing."
If the main objection is that you didn't get to click a "I Consent" button or that you're opposed to being served ads you could easily block out on your own end, that's not an issue with the software. It's an issue of Legalistics and of a lot of end-users having as little technical understanding as they do legal understanding.
That said, when free software unequivocally does the job, like LibreOffice? I absolutely do not mind using it.
Every time I see more furr and more pronounce in the Linux community, I think I made an error installing Linux. I don't think cultists are the worst there 😆probably not.
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I wonder how would you speak without pronounces🤔
I can not really have a solid opinion, but I have noticed that in my 6 months so far using linux, FOSS only means "ya its shitty software but its open source and F$(@ the man" I am sorry but if I cant find better work flows I will have to move back to full time WIndows/Mac
@@vranigavrani i understand and why I want to switch but if I can’t work with the shitty programs available to replace my work flow it doesn’t really matter. I’m not a programmer and I can’t contribute to fix the issues I have. I am purely a user so I don’t really have opinions on FOSS
@@vranigavrani well I can’t do my job with the software out there to make money to eat so the privacy and all that don’t matter. I want to use Linux and be private but the software suits that supposedly work with Linux and widows for work do not and always seem to bug out unexpectedly. It’s issues like this that keep Linux niche. To be clear I know Linux is harder to use and is a trade off for security but I keep having to redo work because it won’t transfer I’ll take windows knowing what my prostate looks like to not do work twice .
Daddy Penguin 🤣
Kent, hopefully you find something else to discuss. I like your technical content.
don't worry I will move on :D I just like making people see how toxic some really are, as I keep being told that there is not really toxic people in linux lol
greater cheesus use a freaking pop filter, better use 2 o 3 at once, my ears !
A friend of mine ask if he should get a steam deck or a ally, i immediately said ally cause i told him i wasnt going to be his system admin if he gets the steam deck
Normal people just want things to just work, last thing i wanted to hear was why he couldnt play rainbow six or some shit on it
Not that he would've needed you; SteamOS is perfectly workable even if you willfully ignore the Linux backend. If said friend had wanted to try out CryoUtilities, for instance, he would've at best learned how to add a password to his account and how to navigate KDE. That doesn't exactly scream "I need a sysadmin!" to me.
You are projecting.
no you are projecting :O and my dad is stronger than your dad!!!!!!!
I don't think people anymore care about Richard Stallman opinions. In my point of view, there was that free software movement but when that free software come to common use, developers didn't care Richard Stallman ideology. Instead they started to talk about open source, not about free software. There is good Wikipedia article on subject "Open-source-software movement".
@@vranigavrani
But the community in reality is the users of that specific program or technology. I'm sure that some Javascript community or Blender community are helpful.
The problem is that some people are so beginners that they don't even know how to use computer and expect some free support, and that is not people interest. If someone interest is 3D-modelling, that may help on modelling techniques for example.
People should find out for themselves what interests them and learn to use computer, for example by studying yourself or in school and then do your stuff in your community where you run and share programs.
U funny dog
As usual, Kent is whining. This channel should be called *Kent's weekly whining*
@@vranigavrani Exactly. I don't like windows and I never talk about it. Yet, he hates linux and constantly talks about it.
@vranigavrani Soneone needs to explain to him in layman's terms that linux is NOT windows. Macs are not windows and freebsd is not windows....etc...
@vranigavrani I guess he wants a OS to collect his personal data and spy on him 24/7. Lol
@@DV-ml4fm He doesn't hate Linux, he seems to hate a subset of Linux users who think they know what they are talking about, but in reality don't have a clue. And there's many a Linux user...
Hi I like your videos
You just lowered yourself to linux user level, and gave zero compelling arguments. Those who know what is really happening will have recognized the following:
The difference between open source and proprietary software is the same difference between democrat/left wing and republican/right wing politics, or the difference between pepsi and coca cola. They are *false* choices, that keep you in the matrix, ignoring the 4th, 5th, 6th, etc. choices that exist out there..
The problem is not proprietary software, but the fact that software is controlled by trillion dollar semi-governmental big brother entities. What is worse they "own" all the patents so that no other companies can compete against them. These same trillion dollar companies are using the software to actively spy on people.
To the contrary, the problem with open source, is that it lowers the wages of software developers, and get developers to work practically for free for these same trillion dollar corporations. Google, Mircrosoft, IBM, HP, etc *own* the linux foundation, and take all that "free" code and make money with it, without having to pay salaries to software developers.
What no one seems to understand that these are *not* the only 2 choices.
I think you don't understand trolling, making fun off, poking people, aggravating people.
I been told that there really are no toxic people in linux and/or I am over reacting when I say there is.
Peoples comments on videos like this prove me right..
The whole point of the video as if you see my discord was for that reason, to agro those crazy people in to react, and make money of them.
I do agree on part of your comment, but that's not what this video is about and is another subject for another video.
This video is just me and my discord having some fun and test a theory, and so far we have been proven right.
@@KentsTechWorld I liked the video, it's what I would say to the trolls also.
The swearing is excessive, unnecessary, and distracting. Please consider using less of it so you can leave it for emphasis.
cry more lil bro and go back to your sesame street show
I love Kent's swearing style TBH.
It's is excessive but it's probably who he is and that's what makes this channel so genuine.
Someone needs to make up for all the people self-censoring.
Grow up