Really good video, as an ex TV repairman and current electrical engineer I have complete confidence in my repair. This can do spirit is what is missing in today's America.
Great fix for a lousy factory design on the contact points The gas valve does not need to be removed to do this repair Thank you for posting this repair video
I repaired my 1 year old honeywell gas valve with this method and it works perfectly...If you follow these directions exactly, this would never be a problem...
Having replaced this valve once already 4 years ago, the second failure prompted a deeper search, where I found this video. Fantastic!!! Worked like a charm and saved me $250!!!! Thank you so much! For those with a Hayward H400 pool heater, this fixes the common issue of IF (Ignition Failure) error. And the quick test is to pull the board and see if the contacts break off when you barely touch them.
Another +1 from me. The valve actuator is probably good now for the life of the furnace and the repair cost me nothing, thanks to you. This was a very easy and simple repair that did not require removing the gas valve from the furnace. Your identification of the bridge points also saved me some time. Had I not found this video as confirmation of how simple the fix is, I probably would not have done enough analysis to actually find out for myself. It seems there are a lot of people here who do not feel competent in doing this repair nor comfortable with the potential result. That's fine, and the warnings are appreciated, but I ask you all to please refrain from telling other people they are incompetent just because you feel you are. This is a dead simple mechanical fix to the electrical circuit and doesn't require even touching the actual valve. It's easily verifiable by anyone who knows how to use a multimeter before starting the work. That being said, someone not familiar with a multimeter, basic electrical theory, or soldering should probably experiment with something more pedestrian.
Dear Sir: I was having problems with my gas valve and knew it had to be an electrical problem. I did however order a new replacement valve and it is on the way. However after viewing this video, I solved my problem by following your instructions. I still saved myself $ 275.00 and I had heat for my home. The delivery was not going to be made until Friday. The new valve delivered cost 130.00 Wish I had seen your video earlier. I was actually looking up how to adjust gas valve for proper pressures when I came across the video. Thank you greatly so much for posting the video ! At least I have a spare. Sincere Thanks Frank Foster
Thank you! Found I had a broken contact. Bypassed crappy contacts as shown in the vid. Coil now pulls in when called for heat as it should. Saved me over $150 and time for an unnecessary valve replacement.
i cleaned up the contacts that touch the metal contacts that were ripped out in this video, I then slid the pc board back in, replaced everything accordingly turned on power/gas & slid the thermostat on the wall to desired temp & now works ;) Great vid thx again Inlakech Namaste
I did not do the actual fix but instead cleaned the contacts on the valve and bent pins to put more pressure on the pads. Works great! This should keep us warm until the new valve arrives and gets installed. 1 degree outside this morning so luckily it worked! 2 thumbs up!!!
This was my exact problem! Thank you!! Works great! I tried to bend the contacts back and they just broke off. Used this step by step and it fired right up. Thanks for making this video!! Much appreciated!!
I was able to clean my contacts and reassemble the unit. Worked perfectly since my contacts were not broken. If it happens again or the spring metal breaks I may take this approach.
This was a very enjoyable video to watch. Helped me destress as he sounds like Bob Ross. Thank you. Unfortunately this came after my husband ordered a new valve, so he still has stress.
I wanna to Thank you very, very much for you advice, I did exactly what you show me here in your video and after two weeks my furnace is working just fine, thanks again so much you save me a lot of money.
Absolutely spot on. This was exactly what happened to mine. Made to fail. Thank you for the video. Saved me 225 and tenants heat being down for a week to get the part.
I feel obligated to comment. TheGreenHouseGuru doesn't mean harm here. He only means help. I understand why the professional HVAC folks consider this dangerous. It's their job to provide us with the highest quality of care for our furnaces! BUT, this video helped me big time. I did not jumper any wires, or modify my gas valve. What I DID do was learn about the four contacts on the circuit board. Mine were dirty. I cleaned my contacts, and the gas valve works beautifully once more. THX!
I agree with flywheel, this is a excellent repair and will not harm the valve, instead it will make the valve more reliable. I just left the valve on the heater,removed the cover and added the 3 jumpers. There is no need to pull out the old terminals.
Thank you for posting this. Great video. I was able to save $900 for a new gas valve. Only cost me $2 to buy a T-15 security torx bit from Lowe's to fix my pool heater.. I did not have to remove the gas valve. Just took the cover off, all 4 solenoid connections were easily accessible. Heater works perfectly.
Thank you so much for this tutorial. I had the exact problem you identified. I have fixed it thanks to your guide. You saved me a mint!!!! Much appreciated.
First. I never comment on videos. But after reading these asinine comments on here I felt compelled too. As someone who actually knows what he is talking about. Let me just tell you that I am qualified to speak to the validity of this repair. (20+ years as a commercial service tech) First. All that is being done is by-passing contacts and direct wiring. That's all. There is nothing else happening. He is stating and showing you that the factory Honeywell contacts can and do corrode and make the valve coils unable to energize and open. His fix is to suggest to open it and bypass the contacts all together IF that is your issue. Second. This will not make the gas valve stay open. It only takes a set of mechanical contacts out of the way. The gas valve is still closed. That is until the control board tells it to open and sends 24V to the coil. Instead of the 24V going to the contacts it goes through wires directly to the could themselves. Third. If your coil is bad, this will not fix it. Forth. If your valve is bad, this will not fix it. Fifth. If your control board is bad, this will not fix it. This ONLY jumps contacts for a direct wired option IF the contacts are bad. He is not rewiring the valve, only eliminating manual contacts.
Great post Aaron. Nothing wrong with a skilled man fixing a faulty design with a simple fix that will alleviate a nuisance issue. Knowledge is power as they say and if this valve was 35-50 bucks yeah, trash it but for 350 I'd do the same repair in a heart beat. Manufacturers and many (not all) in the service industry love the ignorant. Adds $$$ to the bottom line. This is a perfectly good and SAFE repair.
Your right , and another thing , I have beed in the biz for 20 yrs and I would NEVER try to repair a gas valve , it's not worth the liability , I would rather replace the valve , thats why they have tamper proof screws on them , it's not worth killing some family to save a few bucks , When your messing with gas someone is going to get burned
You're right. I have had cars all my life and I would NEVER try to change my tire myself, its not worth the liability, I would rather have a qualified professional change it, its not worth killing some family to save a few bucks, when you are messing with thousands of pounds of moving metal someone is going to get hurt. .Shut your mouth and keep your sickness trapped inside - don't try to spread it and infect others with your crippling learned helplessness.
Dsonophorus 😂😂😂 I would like to comment not only because changing tires is very dangerous and I agree, but I wanna let everyone know that I just had a valve fail with the outside temperature of 9 degrees and this wonderful repair saved me thousands in frozen/busted plumbing repairs in my building. I can wait three days, spend $130+ on a valve, worry about pipes freezing....but I decided to fix it now and Sleep tonight. Ignorance is bliss
After rewatching this video all these years later. I stand by my comments because it is 100% correct and factual. Bypassing contacts is safe. It puts nothing and no one in danger. Just because you're ignorant of electrical knowledge and how a circuit works does not make this repair dangerous. However. My age has changed my mind on me doing this time consuming repair. Now I would only do it if it was absolutely necessary. Such as an emergency or inability to get a new valve (universal will not fit etc), or customer has no ability to pay for the repair. Outside those exceptions. I'm not spending the time to crack open a valve out anything else for that matter. Again. Doesn't affect the operation of safe function of the unit. Here's how to break this down in ignorant layman understanding. You'd be taking a gold wire and cutting it out. Then replacing it with a wire off a different color. Now you explain how that's dangerous and compromises the unit and it's safe operation to me? Go on. I'll wait.
For all of you who say this should not be done and is a liability, have no clue of how electronics work and are probably trying to keep customers from doing this fix themselves. Removing this cover only exposes the coils inside, the wires soldered only bypass the poor design of the slide in contacts and do not jeopardize or compromise any part of the gas adjustments or flow control. In fact, when this part starts to fail, there are going to be sparks inside as the contacts pull away from the coil valves and i would call that more dangerous than this fix. For the do-it-yourselfer, this would be a better choice than replacing the valve yourself, as it runs the risk of a gas leak if not replaced correctly. Professionals most likely can do a better job with the installation of a new valve and should not do this repair on valves as it is not a professional business choice. But I see no problem in applying this fix to this gas valve for the fix it guy. I did the repair without removing the valve and I was more confident in this repair than if I replaced the valve myself and wondering if I got the pipe dope just right with no leaks. Party on Wayne.
This should not be done by any do it yourself person. If you have any issues with your furnace a licensed qualified service tech should come take care of the issues!
Great video. Disregard the absurd fear based objections - they are from people proselytizing their world view of incompetence. There is a culture of conditioning people to remove their capacity to solve problems and act. It is intended to create dependencies, learned helplessness and it infantalizes citizens for easier control. It cultivates the straw-man of the incompetent individual creating a problem and it uses that to restrain competent individuals. It is malevolent purpose, again hiding behind the mask of virtue signaling 'good intent' Well done, thank you.
@@Dsonophorus in the UK, If we get it wrong we WILL be in jail and whatever we personally own will be sold off for the victims. No insurance company will defend us. Here in UK we are all close together, there are boilers in kitchens and bedrooms. If there is an explosion it takes out 3 or 4 families. Your facts about incompetent individuals being restraint does not apply to gas work. I totally agree with removing the capacity to solve other problems. Just not gas ones.
A slightly easier way to fix this if the contacts aren't that bad. If they are just bent down and not making good contact you can bend them back up and drop a bead of soldier into the inside of the bend of the contacts, this will hold them in position and move the stress point as well. Clean them and apply dielectric grease and they should last another 20 years.
I'm sick of people trying to child-proof the world for me. And I'm sick of people allowing lawyers to run their lives and businesses. Leave the video up. It is good and helpful. If someone is concerned about safety, feel free to express your warnings here and then DROP IT. If you insist on treating everyone around you like a child, please go work for the government where such paternalistic arrogance is considered valuable (unlike the real world where it is simply annoying). Thx for this vid.
The valves failsafe position as I see on the schematic is closed as you would expect. A short from any of these wires would case it to deenergize and close not stick open.
Worked for me, although I think I may have not completely removed a portion of the friction contacts because when I reinstall the valve plastic, my valve does not function properly. Only when the plastic portion is removed and the contact board is sitting below the board's seating surface will it work.
Very nice! I won't be doing the soldering, but just knowing about the failure point in the contactors makes me realize what's causing my inttermittent burner, so now I can replace or repair the contacts or the entire valve. The valves are cheap enough on ebay. BTW, there shouldn't be any heat from the coils or that would have melted the lacquer on the coil wires already. I really can't see the insulation melting. Those 28v coils don't generate any significant heat.
After rewatching this video all these years later. I stand by my comments because it is 100% correct and factual. Bypassing contacts is safe. It puts nothing and no one in danger. Just because you're ignorant of electrical knowledge and how a circuit works does not make this repair dangerous. However. My age has changed my mind on me doing this time consuming repair. Now I would only do it if it was absolutely necessary. Such as an emergency or inability to get a new valve (universal will not fit etc), or customer has no ability to pay for the repair. Outside those exceptions. I'm not spending the time to crack open a valve out anything else for that matter. Again. Doesn't affect the operation of safe function of the unit. Here's how to break this down in ignorant layman understanding. You'd be taking a gold wire and cutting it out. Then replacing it with a wire off a different color. Now you explain how that's dangerous and compromises the unit and it's safe operation to me? Go on. I'll wait.
The Honeywell contact design is horrible. Three of my contacts were oxidized, one snapped off after 5 years. You could buy another $350 valve and 5 years later the contacts would fail. So there's truth on both sides, this fix isn't for everyone. If you've never stripped or soldered wire, don't try this. I The fix saved me $350 but the best part - this valve will probably last 50 years now that the shitty Honeywell contacts are out of the circuit.
The point of the video is that the repair you did will only last a short while. If you know anything about electronics then the fix shown in the video is easy and more reliable.
I hate to say this but if this is done it will void all of the warrenties on the valve. The tamperproof screws are there for a purpose. If this valve fails and causes damage or injury(death) whoever did the repair will be liable for all damages in a court of law. DON'T MESS WITH THIS!!!!!
I have a BUZZING or you might say CLICKING gas valve. I am reading 24vac at the connector when the unit fires. The furnace (other than the valve buzzing LOUDLY) functions and cycles perfectly. My question is, COULD poor contacts cause enough of a resistance issue to trim the amperage down to a point that causes this. Also, COULD the gas pressure in the line cause this. I am extremely poor right now and can not afford to replace this if I dont have too. honeywell vr8205h 8016
Hi, I have question for you... I have a Blodget oven that has a honeywell ignition control (S8610U) and the gas valve you show in your video; well this oven works fine when you starrt it for the first time, when reach the adjusted temperature, burner goes off, but it never goes on again. but hours later you can start it again without problems. I I have heard a click sound in the side of the oven where all the connections are... I assume that is trying to light the burner on again. What could be the problem the ignition control or the gas valve? is there any way to test the valve? Thanks!
I got another question... first off again, I have a chattering(buzzing) gas valve. Its got a solid 24 volts at the connections. Ok so I noticed that whoever owned this house before me had replaced the transformer with a 24vac doorbell transformer which only has a 20va rating. Could this be causing my solenoid to chatter?
This assumes that that is what the problem is. But, the problem could also be a failed component on the pc board. Before doing this repair, you really need to know what the specific problem is. There was no troubleshooting steps here to verify what the problem really is. You might have to replace the control board anyway, even after this "repair".
I have an old Honeywell gas valve on my gas furnace model number vr8204a2050. I am on able to light my gas furnace because I cannot push the button when it's off up and down to light allow gas to come in to the ignitor. It appears it's not standard I know how to light a water heater and other gas furnaces but this one is just on and off it only rotates there is no push
Honeywell VR8205S2379: A redesign makes repair easier, but the failure of contacts over time reflects yet another poor design. No wires are needed to repair, just remove the circuit board (full-wave rectifier) and reflow solder underneath at the metal connector clips where the solder joint can fail. In addition these metal connectors look like they can easily work loose at the pins that lead to the solenoid wires, so I suggest a hard solder at this point as well to keep those connectors snug.
I do not have one of these valves, but looking at the explanation and the wiring, I assume that the input voltage connection is still coming into the valve through the external connectors. Without a connection, none of the solenoids can work. This implies that the external connector tabs have two paths internally, one directly to the control board and the other through poorly designed pressure contacts. By bypassing the pressure contacts it would solve the problem. The problem with this video is that the implication is that the external connector tabs are not used anymore. That cannot be the case, as they must be reconnected to supply power to the unit. Video does not explain that.
Go to your local plumbing supply store and get a universal gas valve for 120usd. You already take out the old one so what's the point of putting back a jump one, which is temporal anyway. You don't have to replace for the exact honeywell model, don't worry the universal work 100%. Save your time with jumping cables and heat guns, remember this is gas any bad connection spark, forget it. I'm a homeowner and replace many of this ones, furnace works fine and piece of mine you have a new component.
Is there drawings for these things anywhere? I can find NOTHING physically wrong with my vr8205h 8016 I took it apart down to the valve ports and everything moves freely. I am getting about 25v on load, and it randomly (more often then not) clatters
I've been a licensed electrician for 40 years specializing in boiler wiring, gas valves are not meant to be field repaired and should not, remember your working with natural gas. Spend a few dollars and avoid a catastrophe. If you have a standing gas pilot ( gas pilot always lit ) I recommend using the Honeywell redundant gas valve.
Like other professionals, I saw this video and cringed. In the Honeywell install instructions it says to keep it out of dripping water. I have done quite a bit of greenhouse work and I know about the humidity. Obviously honeywell never meant their valve to used in this manner. There may be a way to mitigate this. The heater needs combustion air so could a small blower be installed to bring outside air to the area where the gas valve is installed? Heat exchangers could also be saved.
I have one of these Honeywell gas valve control installed on a Lennox furnace from 1966. When trying to turn the blue control value petcock, it grates, not a smooth action. is this a problem? The valve has not been used often, as we haven't had to relight the pilot often. But four times over the last three weeks, the pilot has gone out. Gas company confirms pressure is Ok to the furnace. I have replaced the thermocouple but it still turns out the pilot light. What do you suggest? Should I attempt to replace the whole valve myself, or call in a heating serviceman?
You do know that this valve is not supposed to be repaired. If someone else follows your instructions and something goes wrong the lawyers are going to feast on you. Recommend that you pull this video.
This is not an authorized repair. If you feel that there is a problem with these valves then you need to report them to the Consumer Product Safety Commission.
very great info, perhaps if they made them like this in the start we would not need such help..............but then that is not programmed obsolessance is it....
What amazes me is the dangers with which we all live. All over the world gas pipes & electric cables travel. The number of outlets to gas valves beggers belief. Now we don't want to expose all & sundry to the possibility of DIY repairs. Some will not be up to it, so it oughtn't to be encouraged. Yet we could also argue that we should not have made a speciality out of banking & Bankers. But we did. We let idiots drive cars - which are just as, perhaps even more, lethal. A question of perspective.
Guru you are obviously technically competent however you may want to pull this video. Others that may be watching this video that are not as technically competent as you will attempt repairs cause damage, injury or death and you may get hauled into court because they supposedly followed your instructions. If they miswire the valve the main burners may pass gas before the pilot flame is proved. It will take time before enough gas builds and makes contact with the pilot spark before it ignites,
DON'T DO THIS - IF YOU DON'T HAVE A METER!!! If you have 4 contact pins you should solder 4 wires or make alignment correction on contact points by cleaning and adding electrical non conductive lubricant to surfaces to prevent corrosion again. Jump a pilot is a NO NO period. If the pilot goes out. It will not shut the main valve OFF. Yet it may go out and still shut the main burner off but thats a big risk. It's better to show the break down of a gas valve than to show how to rig unsafe practice.
I can't belive vids like this are allowed! Ok you are saving someone a bit of cash so hats off for that, but videos like this are like letting children play with a loaded gun. If you know what your doing then it is safe if you don't and make a mistake BANG!
why would you put your family and others at risk just to save some money? i dont understand these people and apart from the obvious he has now created a fire risk with that soldering because it looks like he has created some shorts on the board. dont know about america but here in scotland it is illegal to do diy gas work.
+terry987654 , Hi Terry, Here in Canada it is as well! I am a journeyman Gasfitter for over 35 years, and I would never suggest this to anyone, nor would I attempt to repair a gas valve either. You replace them! This guy is a QUACK, plain and simple, a real idiot!
This is an insurance liability nightmare. NO legitimate HVAC company on the face of the planet nor Honeywell would endorse this "fix." It might well be "safe." it is NOT considered "good practice" and if any of the houses these "fixes" are located in EVER burn down, the lawyers would have a field day.
can I override the gas outlet with apex .and do I have to put the cover back on what will happen if I don't have wire can I use bread ties .or just ball up foil .or maybe just run 120 volts instead of low voltage .after that I am going to patch my heat exchange with bread and glue mixed .and strait wire all my switches who needs high limit switches or pressure switches .can I unhook that vent on top to help warm the house .this is the craziest thing I ever saw on here . but what's even worst is the post about someone dying if someone died doing this they where not a real maintenance man they where jack legging
YOU should always pay to have someone who knows how to think do your repairs. You are emasculated and useless. Everyone else who can think should use good information such as this video to solve it themselves.
Pool heater (Hayward) in Costa Rica. What a horrible design for any climate though. My contacts all fell out. Soldered per your video and it works perfect. Again what a horrible design by Honeywell. What poor choice of valves for Hayward
I have been doing HVAC for 30yrs I would never do this nor should anyone else!!!!! If the pins are bad the relays should not be trusted either. Replace the valve if you must but this is crazy!!!!!!! DANGER!!!!!!!!
Phino Crowhaw You obviously are lying or don't understand what he did. That or you're just an idiot. I am a commercial service tech and have been for 20 years. All he did was by pass the factory contacts and direct wire. If you've been a tech for any length of time then you should've done similar things a million times in a year then add on your other 29 years and you should've done this more times than I have hair on my head and balls. So I call you as bullshit.
Judging by this comment, you are lying about your experience or you are an average tech. He simply increased the reliability of the connections. If my customer signed off on the repair I would do it for sure. Why hit them up for hundreds of dollars for a new valve when you can fix it on site for basically labor charges.
@@aaroneckardt5514 yep! This was an excellent well thought out repair that actually rectified a dangerous situation in the faulty contacts! Real techs find a way to get the product running and improve reliability. Anyone can throw parts at a problem. I’m guessing most people whining don’t really understand what he actually did.
Are you kidding. If someone does this and jumps out or removes the wrong thing, the whole thing could blow up. There is a reason why Honeywell seals their gas valves, it's so they are not tampered with. If there is a problem with the repaired valve and someone like me investigates the explosion, Honeywell will have NO LIABILITY in the issue. The person who made the repair then assumes the responsibility for ALL of the damages and that could be in the millions. Save a few bucks and end up loosing everything.
The guy that was doing it Honeywell gas valve what's an idiot he should be locked up he has no concern of safety and why gas valves are sealed you're not supposed to Monkey around with any type of gas control.!
In this world of lawsuits and liabilities and sometimes legit accidents and fire marshals discovery of rigged , modified . repaired, or tampered gas valve while labels clearly state DO NOT DISASSEMBLE you still want to do this? saving hundreds of dollars for customer can ruin the rest of your life and cost you tens of thousands in legal costs, possible jail sentence and years of frustration. My advice? If the valve is bad - then its time for new valve.Keep the receipt.
@TheGreenhouseGuru Due Dilegence,Enough said. Your video should not be allowed for viewing and you would get your ass sued in the event of a catastrophe that you created. Honeywell stipulates that there equipment is to be replaced when found faulty and not to be field repaired. You call yourself Professional?
Really good video, as an ex TV repairman and current electrical engineer I have complete confidence in my repair. This can do spirit is what is missing in today's America.
Great fix for a lousy factory design on the contact points
The gas valve does not need to be removed to do this repair
Thank you for posting this repair video
I repaired my 1 year old honeywell gas valve with this method and it works perfectly...If you follow these directions exactly, this would never be a problem...
Brivis charges $300 just for the visiting the site, you saved me $300 + $$ for the faulty valve.
Thanks a lot
Having replaced this valve once already 4 years ago, the second failure prompted a deeper search, where I found this video. Fantastic!!! Worked like a charm and saved me $250!!!! Thank you so much! For those with a Hayward H400 pool heater, this fixes the common issue of IF (Ignition Failure) error. And the quick test is to pull the board and see if the contacts break off when you barely touch them.
Another +1 from me. The valve actuator is probably good now for the life of the furnace and the repair cost me nothing, thanks to you. This was a very easy and simple repair that did not require removing the gas valve from the furnace. Your identification of the bridge points also saved me some time. Had I not found this video as confirmation of how simple the fix is, I probably would not have done enough analysis to actually find out for myself.
It seems there are a lot of people here who do not feel competent in doing this repair nor comfortable with the potential result. That's fine, and the warnings are appreciated, but I ask you all to please refrain from telling other people they are incompetent just because you feel you are. This is a dead simple mechanical fix to the electrical circuit and doesn't require even touching the actual valve. It's easily verifiable by anyone who knows how to use a multimeter before starting the work. That being said, someone not familiar with a multimeter, basic electrical theory, or soldering should probably experiment with something more pedestrian.
Dear Sir: I was having problems with my gas valve and knew it had to be an electrical problem. I did however order a new replacement valve and it is on the way. However after viewing this video, I solved my problem by following your instructions. I still saved myself $ 275.00 and I had heat for my home. The delivery was not going to be made until Friday. The new valve delivered cost 130.00 Wish I had seen your video earlier. I was actually looking up how to adjust gas valve for proper pressures when I came across the video. Thank you greatly so much for posting the video ! At least I have a spare. Sincere Thanks Frank Foster
Thank you! Found I had a broken contact. Bypassed crappy contacts as shown in the vid. Coil now pulls in when called for heat as it should. Saved me over $150 and time for an unnecessary valve replacement.
Thank you so much!! Was exactly my issue. Now it works like a charm.
i cleaned up the contacts that touch the metal contacts that were ripped out in this video, I then slid the pc board back in, replaced everything accordingly turned on power/gas & slid the thermostat on the wall to desired temp & now works ;) Great vid thx again Inlakech Namaste
Thank you for posting this. Saved me buying a new valve.
I did not do the actual fix but instead cleaned the contacts on the valve and bent pins to put more pressure on the pads. Works great! This should keep us warm until the new valve arrives and gets installed. 1 degree outside this morning so luckily it worked! 2 thumbs up!!!
Keep up the good work! The world needs more BOLD people like you.
This was my exact problem! Thank you!! Works great! I tried to bend the contacts back and they just broke off. Used this step by step and it fired right up. Thanks for making this video!! Much appreciated!!
I was able to clean my contacts and reassemble the unit. Worked perfectly since my contacts were not broken. If it happens again or the spring metal breaks I may take this approach.
This was a very enjoyable video to watch. Helped me destress as he sounds like Bob Ross. Thank you. Unfortunately this came after my husband ordered a new valve, so he still has stress.
thanks for your video just saved about $7,800.00 by watching. I was about to have whole furnace switched out.
I wanna to Thank you very, very much for you advice, I did exactly what you show me here in your video and after two weeks my furnace is working just fine, thanks again so much you save me a lot of money.
Absolutely spot on. This was exactly what happened to mine. Made to fail. Thank you for the video. Saved me 225 and tenants heat being down for a week to get the part.
I feel obligated to comment.
TheGreenHouseGuru doesn't mean harm here. He only means help.
I understand why the professional HVAC folks consider this dangerous. It's their job to provide us with the highest quality of care for our furnaces!
BUT, this video helped me big time. I did not jumper any wires, or modify my gas valve. What I DID do was learn about the four contacts on the circuit board. Mine were dirty.
I cleaned my contacts, and the gas valve works beautifully once more.
THX!
I agree with flywheel, this is a excellent repair and will not harm the valve, instead it will make the valve more reliable. I just left the valve on the heater,removed the cover and added the 3 jumpers. There is no need to pull out the old terminals.
Dielectric grease on the contacts will prevent the corrosion in the future. It's most commonly purchased in an automative supply store.
Thank you for posting this. Great video. I was able to save $900 for a new gas valve. Only cost me $2 to buy a T-15 security torx bit from Lowe's to fix my pool heater.. I did not have to remove the gas valve. Just took the cover off, all 4 solenoid connections were easily accessible. Heater works perfectly.
only one word to describe: "Genius"
Thanks for this video! My terminals weren't bent that badly so I bent them back/up carefully and my unit fired right up.
Thank you so much for this tutorial. I had the exact problem you identified. I have fixed it thanks to your guide. You saved me a mint!!!! Much appreciated.
Thank you Sir ! This easy fix worked perfect for my greenhouse heater .
Great work, good to see a true craftsman
First. I never comment on videos.
But after reading these asinine comments on here I felt compelled too.
As someone who actually knows what he is talking about. Let me just tell you that I am qualified to speak to the validity of this repair. (20+ years as a commercial service tech)
First. All that is being done is by-passing contacts and direct wiring. That's all.
There is nothing else happening.
He is stating and showing you that the factory Honeywell contacts can and do corrode and make the valve coils unable to energize and open. His fix is to suggest to open it and bypass the contacts all together IF that is your issue.
Second. This will not make the gas valve stay open. It only takes a set of mechanical contacts out of the way.
The gas valve is still closed. That is until the control board tells it to open and sends 24V to the coil. Instead of the 24V going to the contacts it goes through wires directly to the could themselves.
Third. If your coil is bad, this will not fix it.
Forth. If your valve is bad, this will not fix it.
Fifth. If your control board is bad, this will not fix it.
This ONLY jumps contacts for a direct wired option IF the contacts are bad.
He is not rewiring the valve, only eliminating manual contacts.
Great post Aaron. Nothing wrong with a skilled man fixing a faulty design with a simple fix that will alleviate
a nuisance issue. Knowledge is power as they say and if this valve was 35-50 bucks yeah, trash it but for 350
I'd do the same repair in a heart beat. Manufacturers and many (not all) in the service industry love the ignorant.
Adds $$$ to the bottom line. This is a perfectly good and SAFE repair.
Your right , and another thing , I have beed in the biz for 20 yrs and I would NEVER try to repair a gas valve , it's not worth the liability , I would rather replace the valve , thats why they have tamper proof screws on them , it's not worth killing some family to save a few bucks , When your messing with gas someone is going to get burned
You're right. I have had cars all my life and I would NEVER try to change my tire myself, its not worth the liability, I would rather have a qualified professional change it, its not worth killing some family to save a few bucks, when you are messing with thousands of pounds of moving metal someone is going to get hurt.
.Shut your mouth and keep your sickness trapped inside - don't try to spread it and infect others with your crippling learned helplessness.
Dsonophorus 😂😂😂 I would like to comment not only because changing tires is very dangerous and I agree, but I wanna let everyone know that I just had a valve fail with the outside temperature of 9 degrees and this wonderful repair saved me thousands in frozen/busted plumbing repairs in my building. I can wait three days, spend $130+ on a valve, worry about pipes freezing....but I decided to fix it now and Sleep tonight. Ignorance is bliss
After rewatching this video all these years later.
I stand by my comments because it is 100% correct and factual.
Bypassing contacts is safe.
It puts nothing and no one in danger.
Just because you're ignorant of electrical knowledge and how a circuit works does not make this repair dangerous.
However. My age has changed my mind on me doing this time consuming repair.
Now I would only do it if it was absolutely necessary.
Such as an emergency or inability to get a new valve (universal will not fit etc), or customer has no ability to pay for the repair.
Outside those exceptions.
I'm not spending the time to crack open a valve out anything else for that matter.
Again. Doesn't affect the operation of safe function of the unit.
Here's how to break this down in ignorant layman understanding.
You'd be taking a gold wire and cutting it out.
Then replacing it with a wire off a different color.
Now you explain how that's dangerous and compromises the unit and it's safe operation to me?
Go on. I'll wait.
For all of you who say this should not be done and is a liability, have no clue of how electronics work and are probably trying to keep customers from doing this fix themselves. Removing this cover only exposes the coils inside, the wires soldered only bypass the poor design of the slide in contacts and do not jeopardize or compromise any part of the gas adjustments or flow control. In fact, when this part starts to fail, there are going to be sparks inside as the contacts pull away from the coil valves and i would call that more dangerous than this fix. For the do-it-yourselfer, this would be a better choice than replacing the valve yourself, as it runs the risk of a gas leak if not replaced correctly. Professionals most likely can do a better job with the installation of a new valve and should not do this repair on valves as it is not a professional business choice. But I see no problem in applying this fix to this gas valve for the fix it guy. I did the repair without removing the valve and I was more confident in this repair than if I replaced the valve myself and wondering if I got the pipe dope just right with no leaks. Party on Wayne.
+binford12345 Yup, but in the Canadian gas code it is illegal to alter or modify gas valves, it voids your house insurance.
This should not be done by any do it yourself person. If you have any issues with your furnace a licensed qualified service tech should come take care of the issues!
Great video.
Disregard the absurd fear based objections - they are from people proselytizing their world view of incompetence.
There is a culture of conditioning people to remove their capacity to solve problems and act. It is intended to create dependencies, learned helplessness and it infantalizes citizens for easier control. It cultivates the straw-man of the incompetent individual creating a problem and it uses that to restrain competent individuals. It is malevolent purpose, again hiding behind the mask of virtue signaling 'good intent'
Well done, thank you.
@@Dsonophorus in the UK, If we get it wrong we WILL be in jail and whatever we personally own will be sold off for the victims. No insurance company will defend us.
Here in UK we are all close together, there are boilers in kitchens and bedrooms. If there is an explosion it takes out 3 or 4 families. Your facts about incompetent individuals being restraint does not apply to gas work. I totally agree with removing the capacity to solve other problems. Just not gas ones.
Thanks for the video. I won't be using this method but I like the fact it can be repaired and vid is informative.
You just saved e $350. Seriously for pool heater valve. One of the contacts was broke off. The wiggle test did it.
A slightly easier way to fix this if the contacts aren't that bad. If they are just bent down and not making good contact you can bend them back up and drop a bead of soldier into the inside of the bend of the contacts, this will hold them in position and move the stress point as well. Clean them and apply dielectric grease and they should last another 20 years.
I'm sick of people trying to child-proof the world for me. And I'm sick of people allowing lawyers to run their lives and businesses.
Leave the video up. It is good and helpful. If someone is concerned about safety, feel free to express your warnings here and then DROP IT. If you insist on treating everyone around you like a child, please go work for the government where such paternalistic arrogance is considered valuable (unlike the real world where it is simply annoying).
Thx for this vid.
The valves failsafe position as I see on the schematic is closed as you would expect. A short from any of these wires would case it to deenergize and close not stick open.
Worked for me. There's no need to pull the tabs though and I was able to just bridge the connection between the two coils, and it worked.
Worked for me, although I think I may have not completely removed a portion of the friction contacts because when I reinstall the valve plastic, my valve does not function properly. Only when the plastic portion is removed and the contact board is sitting below the board's seating surface will it work.
Very nice! I won't be doing the soldering, but just knowing about the failure point in the contactors makes me realize what's causing my inttermittent burner, so now I can replace or repair the contacts or the entire valve. The valves are cheap enough on ebay.
BTW, there shouldn't be any heat from the coils or that would have melted the lacquer on the coil wires already. I really can't see the insulation melting. Those 28v coils don't generate any significant heat.
After rewatching this video all these years later.
I stand by my comments because it is 100% correct and factual.
Bypassing contacts is safe.
It puts nothing and no one in danger.
Just because you're ignorant of electrical knowledge and how a circuit works does not make this repair dangerous.
However. My age has changed my mind on me doing this time consuming repair.
Now I would only do it if it was absolutely necessary.
Such as an emergency or inability to get a new valve (universal will not fit etc), or customer has no ability to pay for the repair.
Outside those exceptions.
I'm not spending the time to crack open a valve out anything else for that matter.
Again. Doesn't affect the operation of safe function of the unit.
Here's how to break this down in ignorant layman understanding.
You'd be taking a gold wire and cutting it out.
Then replacing it with a wire off a different color.
Now you explain how that's dangerous and compromises the unit and it's safe operation to me?
Go on. I'll wait.
The Honeywell contact design is horrible. Three of my contacts were oxidized, one snapped off after 5 years. You could buy another $350 valve and 5 years later the contacts would fail. So there's truth on both sides, this fix isn't for everyone. If you've never stripped or soldered wire, don't try this. I The fix saved me $350 but the best part - this valve will probably last 50 years now that the shitty Honeywell contacts are out of the circuit.
These gas valves only last 25 years max, even without contact issues.
Great video! Thank you sharing this!
thanks greenhouse, found my problem now going to fix it. also adding hvac to my resume LOL!!!!! thanks, toadman rimertown NC
WoW ! I'm sure your insurance company would love to see this, there is a reason for those security bits.
The point of the video is that the repair you did will only last a short while. If you know anything about electronics then the fix shown in the video is easy and more reliable.
Don't you guys want honeywell to stay in business? LOL
I hate to say this but if this is done it will void all of the warrenties on the valve. The tamperproof screws are there for a purpose. If this valve fails and causes damage or injury(death) whoever did the repair will be liable for all damages in a court of law. DON'T MESS WITH THIS!!!!!
Thanks, great video.
wow, that was good info, thanks for sharing it.
I have a BUZZING or you might say CLICKING gas valve.
I am reading 24vac at the connector when the unit fires.
The furnace (other than the valve buzzing LOUDLY) functions and cycles perfectly.
My question is, COULD poor contacts cause enough of a resistance issue to trim the amperage down to a point that causes this.
Also, COULD the gas pressure in the line cause this.
I am extremely poor right now and can not afford to replace this if I dont have too.
honeywell vr8205h 8016
Ever figure it out? Mine is buzzing and I’d like to know why
Hi, I have question for you...
I have a Blodget oven that has a honeywell ignition control (S8610U) and the gas valve you show in your video; well this oven works fine when you starrt it for the first time, when reach the adjusted temperature, burner goes off, but it never goes on again. but hours later you can start it again without problems. I
I have heard a click sound in the side of the oven where all the connections are... I assume that is trying to light the burner on again.
What could be the problem the ignition control or the gas valve? is there any way to test the valve?
Thanks!
great stuff, mine is a VR844, how do I take and fix this model.Art.
I got another question... first off again, I have a chattering(buzzing) gas valve.
Its got a solid 24 volts at the connections.
Ok so I noticed that whoever owned this house before me had replaced the transformer with a 24vac doorbell transformer which only has a 20va rating.
Could this be causing my solenoid to chatter?
Bingo
GV are labeled not to be repaired. Some liability issue I am sure so do not suggest this repair. From G1 gas fitter
very well done thanks
Will this address a loud buzzing issue.
Ever figure out the loud buzzing? I have that problem too
How do you take the valve off of the gas freestanding fireplace?
This assumes that that is what the problem is. But, the problem could also be a failed component on the pc board. Before doing this repair, you really need to know what the specific problem is. There was no troubleshooting steps here to verify what the problem really is. You might have to replace the control board anyway, even after this "repair".
I have an old Honeywell gas valve on my gas furnace model number vr8204a2050. I am on able to light my gas furnace because I cannot push the button when it's off up and down to light allow gas to come in to the ignitor. It appears it's not standard I know how to light a water heater and other gas furnaces but this one is just on and off it only rotates there is no push
Honeywell VR8205S2379: A redesign makes repair easier, but the failure of contacts over time reflects yet another poor design. No wires are needed to repair, just remove the circuit board (full-wave rectifier) and reflow solder underneath at the metal connector clips where the solder joint can fail. In addition these metal connectors look like they can easily work loose at the pins that lead to the solenoid wires, so I suggest a hard solder at this point as well to keep those connectors snug.
I do not have one of these valves, but looking at the explanation and the wiring, I assume that the input voltage connection is still coming into the valve through the external connectors. Without a connection, none of the solenoids can work. This implies that the external connector tabs have two paths internally, one directly to the control board and the other through poorly designed pressure contacts. By bypassing the pressure contacts it would solve the problem. The problem with this video is that the implication is that the external connector tabs are not used anymore. That cannot be the case, as they must be reconnected to supply power to the unit. Video does not explain that.
Go to your local plumbing supply store and get a universal gas valve for 120usd. You already take out the old one so what's the point of putting back a jump one, which is temporal anyway. You don't have to replace for the exact honeywell model, don't worry the universal work 100%. Save your time with jumping cables and heat guns, remember this is gas any bad connection spark, forget it. I'm a homeowner and replace many of this ones, furnace works fine and piece of mine you have a new component.
What model is that
Is there drawings for these things anywhere?
I can find NOTHING physically wrong with my vr8205h 8016
I took it apart down to the valve ports and everything moves freely.
I am getting about 25v on load, and it randomly (more often then not) clatters
please buy the correct screwdriver, a security Torx set is readily available online
Can u replace just the sliding control module circuit board
Darsheia Hayes
don't know if this is the prob but it will be the first thing I check thank you
Yeah this is scary, it is possible for someone to screw up and the gas valve will open filling the house full of gas. This should never be done.
You should have called this of valve hack, cuz it goes way more than just replacing a valve...
I've been a licensed electrician for 40 years specializing in boiler wiring, gas valves are not meant to be field repaired and should not, remember your working with natural gas. Spend a few dollars and avoid a catastrophe. If you have a standing gas pilot ( gas pilot always lit ) I recommend using the Honeywell redundant gas valve.
Like other professionals, I saw this video and cringed. In the Honeywell install instructions it says to keep it out of dripping water. I have done quite a bit of greenhouse work and I know about the humidity. Obviously honeywell never meant their valve to used in this manner. There may be a way to mitigate this. The heater needs combustion air so could a small blower be installed to bring outside air to the area where the gas valve is installed? Heat exchangers could also be saved.
I have one of these Honeywell gas valve control installed on a Lennox furnace from 1966. When trying to turn the blue control value petcock, it grates, not a smooth action. is this a problem? The valve has not been used often, as we haven't had to relight the pilot often. But four times over the last three weeks, the pilot has gone out. Gas company confirms pressure is Ok to the furnace. I have replaced the thermocouple but it still turns out the pilot light. What do you suggest? Should I attempt to replace the whole valve myself, or call in a heating serviceman?
+Kirk Groeneveld ,, Replace the furnace. ITs nearly 60 years old! and very inefficient, b probably the heat exchanger will burn out in 5 years or less
Get a new one you Cheapskate at 60 years old what the hell do you want from it the only costs $120
did you plug thewires back the same way
You do know that this valve is not supposed to be repaired. If someone else follows your instructions and something goes wrong the lawyers are going to feast on you. Recommend that you pull this video.
haters haters haters
This is not an authorized repair. If you feel that there is a problem with these valves then you need to report them to the Consumer Product Safety Commission.
I need help
very great info, perhaps if they made them like this in the start we would not need such help..............but then that is not programmed obsolessance is it....
If you took the time to pull the gas valve off the manifold you might as well just replaced it.
Lol bingo
What amazes me is the dangers with which we all live. All over the world gas pipes & electric cables travel. The number of outlets to gas valves beggers belief. Now we don't want to expose all & sundry to the possibility of DIY repairs. Some will not be up to it, so it oughtn't to be encouraged. Yet we could also argue that we should not have made a speciality out of banking & Bankers. But we did. We let idiots drive cars - which are just as, perhaps even more, lethal. A question of perspective.
Guru you are obviously technically competent however you may want to pull this video. Others that may be watching this video that are not as technically competent as you will attempt repairs cause damage, injury or death and you may get hauled into court because they supposedly followed your instructions. If they miswire the valve the main burners may pass gas before the pilot flame is proved. It will take time before enough gas builds and makes contact with the pilot spark before it ignites,
reallllllllly
DON'T DO THIS - IF YOU DON'T HAVE A METER!!! If you have 4 contact pins you should solder 4 wires or make alignment correction on contact points by cleaning and adding electrical non conductive lubricant to surfaces to prevent corrosion again. Jump a pilot is a NO NO period. If the pilot goes out. It will not shut the main valve OFF. Yet it may go out and still shut the main burner off but thats a big risk. It's better to show the break down of a gas valve than to show how to rig unsafe practice.
I can't belive vids like this are allowed! Ok you are saving someone a bit of cash so hats off for that, but videos like this are like letting children play with a loaded gun. If you know what your doing then it is safe if you don't and make a mistake BANG!
I fixed my heat. we are not stupid. we know how to shut a got dammed gas valve and cut the power off and use pipe thread sealant
why would you put your family and others at risk just to save some money? i dont understand these people and apart from the obvious he has now created a fire risk with that soldering because it looks like he has created some shorts on the board. dont know about america but here in scotland it is illegal to do diy gas work.
+terry987654 , Hi Terry, Here in Canada it is as well! I am a journeyman Gasfitter for over 35 years, and I would never suggest this to anyone, nor would I attempt to repair a gas valve either. You replace them! This guy is a QUACK, plain and simple, a real idiot!
This is an insurance liability nightmare. NO legitimate HVAC company on the face of the planet nor Honeywell would endorse this "fix." It might well be "safe." it is NOT considered "good practice" and if any of the houses these "fixes" are located in EVER burn down, the lawyers would have a field day.
can I override the gas outlet with apex .and do I have to put the cover back on what will happen if I don't have wire can I use bread ties .or just ball up foil .or maybe just run 120 volts instead of low voltage .after that I am going to patch my heat exchange with bread and glue mixed .and strait wire all my switches who needs high limit switches or pressure switches .can I unhook that vent on top to help warm the house .this is the craziest thing I ever saw on here . but what's even worst is the post about someone dying if someone died doing this they where not a real maintenance man they where jack legging
+David Marler Hey, I like your thinking, do you have a blog or something where you outline this better, I wanna save $$$!
YOU should always pay to have someone who knows how to think do your repairs. You are emasculated and useless. Everyone else who can think should use good information such as this video to solve it themselves.
never in a million years would I do something like that.
Taliban instructional!
Pool heater (Hayward) in Costa Rica. What a horrible design for any climate though. My contacts all fell out. Soldered per your video and it works perfect. Again what a horrible design by Honeywell. What poor choice of valves for Hayward
And the heater less than 3 years old
I have been doing HVAC for 30yrs I would never do this nor should anyone else!!!!! If the pins are bad the relays should not be trusted either. Replace the valve if you must but this is crazy!!!!!!! DANGER!!!!!!!!
Phino Crowhaw
You obviously are lying or don't understand what he did. That or you're just an idiot.
I am a commercial service tech and have been for 20 years.
All he did was by pass the factory contacts and direct wire.
If you've been a tech for any length of time then you should've done similar things a million times in a year then add on your other 29 years and you should've done this more times than I have hair on my head and balls.
So I call you as bullshit.
There not relays they are solenoids ,if you done hvac for 30 years you would know the difference
Judging by this comment, you are lying about your experience or you are an average tech. He simply increased the reliability of the connections. If my customer signed off on the repair I would do it for sure. Why hit them up for hundreds of dollars for a new valve when you can fix it on site for basically labor charges.
@@aaroneckardt5514 yep! This was an excellent well thought out repair that actually rectified a dangerous situation in the faulty contacts! Real techs find a way to get the product running and improve reliability. Anyone can throw parts at a problem. I’m guessing most people whining don’t really understand what he actually did.
As a 36 year professional in HVAC, I assure you this will NEVER be done on any of my customers equipment.
to bad. it works hater.
Dude, you just need to CALM DOWN. Ok, just RELAX..........
Please do not attempt this if you like your life.
Are you kidding. If someone does this and jumps out or removes the wrong thing, the whole thing could blow up. There is a reason why Honeywell seals their gas valves, it's so they are not tampered with. If there is a problem with the repaired valve and someone like me investigates the explosion, Honeywell will have NO LIABILITY in the issue. The person who made the repair then assumes the responsibility for ALL of the damages and that could be in the millions. Save a few bucks and end up loosing everything.
+cjshurtleff Exactly, all I heard was the song in my head watching this, " BURNING DOWN THE HOUSE!!! "
The guy that was doing it Honeywell gas valve what's an idiot he should be locked up he has no concern of safety and why gas valves are sealed you're not supposed to Monkey around with any type of gas control.!
lol just replace it with a new universal one for like 115$ dont be a gypsy! its not a computer!
Wow, dangerous.
Why is this dangerous? Do you understand what he did?
WELL HOW BOUT BUY NEW VALVE.. WHY FIX JUNK........... GET A BETTER HEATER
poor focus , lighting and the part is too far away to see what your pointing to
In this world of lawsuits and liabilities and sometimes legit accidents and fire marshals discovery of rigged , modified . repaired, or tampered gas valve while labels clearly state DO NOT DISASSEMBLE you still want to do this?
saving hundreds of dollars for customer can ruin the rest of your life and cost you tens of thousands in legal costs, possible jail sentence and years of frustration. My advice? If the valve is bad - then its time for new valve.Keep the receipt.
Please!!!!This should never be done.
+wink hvac the guy is forgetting the big "L" liability!!!
It should not be done by those who think a person should not be allowed to do something that requires a little common sense to do.
lawsuit just waiting to happen
hey don't hate on this dude. I just shook the piece he was talking about and I got heat for the night.
@TheGreenhouseGuru Due Dilegence,Enough said. Your video should not be allowed for viewing and you would get your ass sued in the event of a catastrophe that you created. Honeywell stipulates that there equipment is to be replaced when found faulty and not to be field repaired. You call yourself Professional?