Underwood Xtreme Penetrator Ammo Part 1: 380 ACP and 9mm
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- Is Underwood's Xtreme Penetrator Ammo a good choice for your 380 ACP or 9mm handgun? Paul finds out!
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But... it's not fmj, it's solid copper and brass. Which is why it doesn't expand. I feel like you knew that or should have at least. I also know this is a old video.
I do know that. I misspoke (I hate it when that happens) and I mention that in the first few seconds of part two.
@@PaulHarrell I gotta tell you Paul you're by far the most knowledgeable guy on UA-cam I've found as far as guns and common sense tactics. I binge watch your videos all the time. You base everything on your own experience and real world situations. As opposed to these dudes that are all about their "tacti-cool" methods that they probably never had to use in real life, yet somehow are experts in their own minds.
@@PaulHarrell idk if i saw the part 2 or not. Ill have to check it out.
@Joker Toker Looking for Ian McCollum to pop in to this comment thread and confirm it for true.
Why not make your own videos and see how many watch them lol
Well, it's 27 JAN 2018 and we just hit 100,000 subscribers. Thanks everybody. We'll have a new video out Monday.
Is that literally 18 months from 5000? I know it is 5 1/2 months from 50000.
Congratulations on 100k. You have an excellent firearms channel. Great practical information in real world scenarios. By the way, I loved your breakdown of the FBI Florida shooting. I'd like to see more videos like that.
It's not much but I did subscribe to your Patreon account. I hope you get more support so you can keep these videos coming. Thanks
Congrats! Love the channel btw! Personally I think its one of the best out here currently in the UA-cam Gun Community.
While I'm here I'd like to point out something you mention in the video. You make the claim that the Underwood 115gr XP is not exactly +P performance. However I think you forgot to figure in that copper is a lighter material. Therefore it occupies more of the case's space for the bullet to be of the same weight as a standard lead core bullet. And to achieve the velocities it is. +P pressures are required. Also +P does not always mean higher velocity. While many automatically assume that and often that is the case. It is not a guarantee. +P simply means higher than standard SAAMI pressures specs. Whether its 2% higher or 10.
Again congratulations. I look forward to more videos from you.
Paul Harrell hope you have enough ammo.
Congrat's! This is THEE best channel available! Keep up the great work!
A man that works to educate and entertain us, into the night and in the rain, deserves far more subs.. Anyone that hasn't liked and subscribed please do. His meat target demonstrations are more real world than ballistics gel. Plus it helps his local economy, His grocer might think his diet is odd, but he is helping to support him..Thank You, Mr. Harrell..
I subbed last August. Back then the sub-count was below 20,000 and closer to 15,000 IIRC. At this rate, it wont be long before it's one of the top-subbed firearms channels on the interwebs. Have faith. And pray for more vids.
Rod Scrivne
"You sure eat a lot of pork and oranges, Mr. Harrell. It might be a good idea to cut back on the Shasta though. It has far too much high fructose corn syrup!"
He's also probably keeping his local dollar store afloat with all the 2 liter bottles of cheap soda he buys.
Richard MacHugh Those are quality beverages where I come from.
I decided to dump my level IIIA body armor and now just have the hi-tech fleece body armor shown in your video, which seems to stop every round fired at it. It is so much lighter and a great conversation starter too!
I just wear 20 ponchos at the same time.
You seem to forget that only stops the rounds after going through a target of similar biological makeup as yourself.
Old comment… hope you’re okay and that body armor isn’t part of your job.
@@Peter-ff1tp Shhh, don't correct him. If he's dumb enough to believe the high tech fleece bullet stop is effective body armor, then Darwin needs to eliminate him from the gene pool! To this end, I don't believe in warning labels that state the obvious.....
@@c1arkj🤣🤣🤣
Haha
This is why I prefer Thursday to Friday... New Paul Harrell video!
Brian Schmidt he did say that it is January, have you ever heard of ever green trees?
Brian Schmidt Seems like you didn't really watch the video...He says it's January.
Brian Schmit, it is often just like that in January at the foot of the Blue Mountains. Instead of climbing Deadman's Pass, I'd pick somewhere on the Reservation. Most of Eastern Oregon has evergreen trees with "cheat grass" at the bottom. It was not native, but went wild when brought in and is a fire hazard East of the Cascade Mountains in the summer. www.bendbulletin.com/localstate/5381477-151/cheatgrass-returns-to-central-oregon
Not at the 1000 foot level.
Brian Schidmt....is it really you?
Paul is secure in his manhood that he doesn't have to act macho. He knows who he is. You da man Paul.👍
Go ahead, make fun of his hat......
Kratos : Not a chance.... only 10 states between him and me !
Hahahaha I don’t think 10 continents would be enough ; )
The macho thing is really quite annoying. I’m thankful for “gun guys” like Mr. Harrell that seem to be quite grounded.
The worst is the guys who work at gun stores (not all of them) that think they’re just the coolest. I always bite my tongue, but I can’t help but think “Hey man, you work in retail, you know that right?”
Ah well, we plenty of great guys/gals in the firearm world, your comment just brought back a few ridiculous experiences.. :)
@@Kratos_God_of_50_BMG not his hat but how he introduced it
Finally another Paul Harrell video. Felt like forever..
Rod Scrivner I know! I've been anxiously waiting for his next video.
Rod Scrivner I think he did skip a week, unusual, but he did seem to be battling a cold or something last time...
His videos are addicting...
I'm not for certain, but I believe in a previous video, he mentioned having a hunting trip at some point in January.
This entire video was flippin epic without the hat, and then the ht came out and it went from epic to legendary....
I agree.
The 'Xtreme' designation for this ammo applies more accurately to the barrier-blindness of the projectile. Hornady, Sig Sauer and other JHP rounds won't maintain the target effectivness of the Underwood (or Lehigh) when that taget is behind a barrier, like auto glass, auto doors, ply wood and dry wall.
I purchase ammo to stop a threat in a self defense situation. If I'm firing on someone that is behind plywood or doors I'm doing it wrong.
Jim Lacefield i don't know about you, but the homes I've lived in have all had doors, walls and plywood. And I've never been carjacked, but the cars ive been in all have doors and windshields.
The four barriers I listed are only mediums that I have seen tests of here on yt. Against all of those barriers, the lehigh/underwood XP/XD projectiles had best results for maintaining trajectory, barrier penetration and effectiveness within the intended target once the barriers had been overcome.
Jeffrey Weathers , exactly. That's what sold me on this stuff. As far as .380 goes, hollow points will barely get 7" in unobstructed gel.
Cory Brown It's really great ammo, that puts the .380 into the range of viable carry options.
But it is also expensive. However, barrier blindness is an advantage I'm more than willing to afford myself for home defense.
Jim Lacefield in lieu of terrorist attacks in which the terrorists run down pedestrians with vehicles, IMHO barrier blind projectiles don't seem like a bad idea.
Love the hat! Appreciate the video.
I think the "penetrator" designation is actually meant to indicate the ability to penetrate a hard target, such as auto glass, and still have lethal energy.
Cracked me up when you put that hat on. Not for the hat, but for the “Shut up and go away” attitude.
I’m really liking that Underwood ammo, even a few years later.
Paul: Thanks for another great video. Based on the info from your videos I keep Federal HST HP in my Taurus .380 & Remington Green & White Box 9MM HP in my S&W Shield. I survived three gunfights in my 30 year LEO career, all w/my issued thirty-eight, so I understand the importance of carry ammo.
Professor Harrell is the instructor all the "Training Officers" try to emulate. Thank you Paul, you are the "Man".
Paul, I don't know anyone manly enough to strut the chops you have, and show up on camera in that hat. In a site full of copper jackets, you are a gold. Love the video as I do every single time.
best thing about Underwood is how light it is astounding this was overlooked
Paul - Lehigh Defense (the manufacturer of the bullet) says they designed the Penetrator to overcome initial barriers (e.g. car windows) without tumbling while still tearing up the soft target with propeller cavitation. I don't think they want it to tear up innocent bystanders. I'd sure like to see a meat target tested behind some typical barriers.
Thanks for the best firearms channel around!
The "Xtreme Penetrator" ammo sounds like a misnomer to me, but it does appear to have better wounding characteristics than standard FMJ rounds. I've got a Sig P238, so this series of experiments was especially useful for my future purchases. Keep up the good work, Paul!
I've used Underwood as my carry ammo for years and I love it. They move pretty quick and do a lot more damage inside than FMJ's.
When I worked as a Contractor for [ ? ] we were issued the Beretta 9mm with Federal Hydra-Shok 115gr +p+ Hp
100,000 subscribers way to go Paul!!!! Thank you for all you information on firearms, ammunition, and real life experience. Thank you for your hard work (+fun, jugs of soda and meat target) and giving non bias information and allowing everyone to make their own conclusions. Looking forward to more videos
Paul, I tested the 65 grain "extreme defender" .380 version of this ammo along with the 90 grain "extreme penetrator" stuff that you tested using my own version (copy?) of your meat target. I saw pretty much what you did with the 90 grain xp stuff, but I saw a lot more damage to the "soft tissue" with the 65 grain xd ammo. Unfortunately winter set in here in Ohio before I could repeat my test to verify that but considering the poor expansion of hollow points in a 380 I switched to the underwood 65 grain extreme defender for my own carry ammo (in an LCP). They SEEM better than hollow points in 380. One thing I also saw was that in the hard ribs, the holes it made were just like FMJ, the real difference was in the sim. lung tissue. I am going to try it again in the spring. Maybe with my own hand loads??
Tony, thanks for the comment re: the 65 gr. bullet. Please share the results of your tests this Spring, if you don't mind. Semper Fi, TreeTop
I would be very interested in your results, thanks for sharing this !!!!!
Well, when it warms up enough I will get out and give it another try, maybe I will have time to load some of my own with Lehigh bullets. Paul is the expert in documenting tests, but I will post my observations too. Tony
I'd be curious to see it too. I currently keep the 90g XP loaded in my 380 and I have been wondering if it would be worth switching.
Chris Jones here’s what I got. Actually I was shocked. I was trying to debunk the claims but wasn’t expecting these results. Wow!
380acp
90 gr +P Extreme Defender
Overall Depth average 15"
Wound channel Diameter 1.6"
Average 1.5" permanent wound channel Length 8.2"
Average Velocity 1,396
Wow, I just learned a ton. I've learned more about ammo from binge watching your channel than anywhere else. Great vids!
R.I.P. Paul, you will be greatly missed. ❤
It's amazing how different results can be when the test is not by a hidden sponsor.
True story! This is part of what makes Paul’s channel so great.
nickma71 +1
Wonder if he could get a grocery chain to sponsor? 🤔
I always look forward to Paul's videos, each week his, when his new video is posted in it, is the apex of my youtube viewing pleasure for the week.
I thought Underwood only made devilled ham and chicken spread. Who knew?
Interesting video. Going by this and other videos on .380 ammo, it's looking like the Hornady Critical Defense is as good as it gets. This one seems a viable option too, though kind of gimmicky.
Much respect. Rain or snow, this man is shooting.
A cold day at the range is better than a warm day at work.
If you had to carry a 380, what ammo would you choose?
Good question. I'd probably start with fiochi or Sig Sauer Elite performance.
Paul Harrell thanks!
Mag-Safe
It doesn't matter. FMJ in 380 works about as good as the best HP +P. Just hit your target center mass once. Each bullet has about a 30-40% chance to stop the worst charging rhino, and generally 1 hit will deter anyone but a pissed off ex-spouse , drug crazed pyscopath .or Jason or Micheal Myers. those might need 2-3.
shot placement /hitting your target , counts alot more than what bullet you hit them with
Id prefer .380 with a nuclear explosive core
Had the same hat back in the 80's. Come to think of it......I remember buying a similar shooting jacket at the same time. Cheers! Always look forward to your videos. Thanks.
I'm going to need to buy myself one of those hats now😄
I'm going to buy a fleece protective vest.
You know you know, I actually did a Google search the other day for Sears hunting jackets from the 1950s and found some just like Paul's. I'm actually tempted to buy one. He's made them appear quite cool. LOL
Bo Forgault, I am starting to wonder about that. I wonder how far a 9mm would penetrate a fleece if it was IN FRONT OF the meat target.
New video idea!
Long distance fleecing
i like that you are running same independently your surrounding weather and day condition. You make fit it to you.
I was curious to hear your take on this ammo. I have to appreciate the fact that some creative engineer is finally trying to convert the kinetic energy which had hitherto been invested in spin solely for stability into the cavitation now being caused by those spinning fins. Great example of the results of someone thinking "outside the box".
I don't think it's the spin energy, I think the scoops out the front and the flat nose give it higher drag than a round nose, so it dumps its forward energy quicker than ball. Higher drag is why expanded hollow-points dump their energy quicker too, it's just a way to get the higher drag without expanding.
If the bullet has a 1:10 twist rate then it might spin once or a little more in a human sized target between entrance and exit. I don't think that is enough to do much. But I could be wrong.
Some of the most educational videos on UA-cam.
To my understanding the Xtreme Penetrator wasnt exactly designed to get more penetration than typical FMJ, but rather give you similar depth of penetration but a more consistent wound cavity. FMJ has a tendency to be real shallow after a certain point and not exactly very consistent. That being said, the make the Xtreme Defender which is pretty much the same type of round but with larger broader flutes in the bullet to deliver even larger cavities while keeping good penetration.
I've found this ammo in small calibers like .380, .32 ACP, and so on.. it works wonderfully. But in the larger calibers it's simply not that impressive. I've seen them in .45-70, and frankly I dont see a point. When it comes to hunting, there's far more effective rounds for the task. But even if you pressed it into self defense, still far more effective projectiles. I've seen plenty of people buy this stuff to take hunting because they're expecting miracle results using something like the 9mm Xtreme Penetrator on hogs and complaining it wont go shoulder to shoulder. Knowing full well FMJ likely wouldnt either and if it did it wouldnt stop the hog dead in it's tracks.
I guess people really misunderstand what this round is meant to do... it doesnt help that flashy advertisement saying "Xtreme Penetrator" sticks out in your faces making you believe it's going to get some crazy high level of penetration. But like I said, I think it was designed to get JHP levels of consistent wound cavities with FMJ level penetration, which I recall hearing that in an interview some guys from Lehigh Defense. And if I find the video I will link it for those to see. But honestly, that's what this round does.. FMJ levels of penetration with a more consistent wound channel. Great for small calibers like .32 ACP, .32 S&W Long/Short, not too bad for a .32 H&R Magnum either but plenty of other good rounds available. Same with .38 Special, not too bad for snub nose guns, but with a longer barrel there's better options.
Christopher I don't think they make this in 32. They have an Extreme Cavitator, which is basically a #2 square drive instead of a Phillips screwdriver bit.
+Lonewanderer360 The Xtreme Cavitator is essentially at it's core the same design and all testing of my own and from others show it's performance is the same as the Xtreme Penetrator. I believe they had to change the shape and design when going with a .32 caliber round as there were complications with the normal design.
I've also seen evidence that it does a much better job of being effective after penetrating a windshield, drywall or plywood, which might be another reason for the moniker. Where hollowpoints expand early and/or clog with debris, the xtreme penetrator retains its shape all the way to the target.
+sproutpits Well as I mentioned in my first post from what I understand as mentioned it was designed to penetrate like FMJ. I dont know if it does a better job than FMJ for windshields, drywall, or plywood and the likes in terms of penetration, bullet deviation, kinetic energy dump, etc. But I do know it will be more effective than an FMJ if it should hit the target on the other side. The XP's almost remind me of wad cutter bullets only they dont seem to keyhole or tumble inside gel and other mediums.
Christopher the xd in 10mm 100gr @1850fps is face meltingly awesome and impressive; most impressive. My g20 eats them like hot cakes!!
What do I love about Paul Harrell videos? EVERYTHING. Informative, real world data presented in a non-biased manner. In other words, the complete antithesis of some other gun channels that are nothing but opinion and hyperbole with not even as much as one shot fired.
I know a dude who used a 45/70 extreme penetrator as a screwdriver. No joke.
Redstone Lord probably after drinking screwdrivers haha
WAY more expensive then a Snap-On screwdriver LOL
Would make a great "impact driver" for those stubborn screws!
I just encountered a dude on a public range that had a .22 stuck in his ear. He was attempting to remove it with needlenose pliers. No bs. I'll admit I've been guilty of using 9mm bullets as ear protection once in the past, and it certainly creeped me out, but this dude was attempting to retrieve a freaking rimfire cartridge, by grabbing a hold of the rim with a pair of pliers. Some of the most unbelievable shit I've seen.... maybe ever.
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Yea, it's weird that the "Extreme Penetrator" round penetrates... I remember TNoutdoors9 freaking out when he couldn't get one to stop in something like 32" of gel. I WOULD, however, like to see a test of the Extreme Defender against the meat target in .380 and 9mm. I'd be willing to purchase the ammo in the name of science.
That 9mm round gets 150% penetration compared to a standard FMJ in gel. This test shows that gel has limitations when it comes to a test medium.
I would not had remembered you if you had not used that nick name, haha. Yes, all tests have their limitations, and we can not exactly get living humans to test on, so we do with what we got.
Gel tests are suppose to simulate the effects of flesh on projectiles. In gel tests, these rounds penetrate much further, but a more realistic target they do not, indicating that the gel tests are not representative of what they are attempting to showcase. Now this does not mean the gel tests are useless, but it shows the limitations of what a gel test can show us.
Jesse Sisolack I would say the meat target has limitations as well, such as inconsistent size, sometimes appearing maybe a 90% scale to an adult human, also lack of fat, which some human targets would have plenty of... However ballistic gel and the meat targets both give a certain amount of information that can be useful. The takeaway from this is you will do just as well with Remington (or other low cost) hollow points than the expensive Underwood Ammo in your 9mm.
The extreme penetrator doesn't tumble ln gel like other bullets, hence further penetration.
Yes, even the meat target has limitations.
Real targets = real results cheers Paul.
I think we can now officially call Paul the Mailman.
Neither rain, nor sleet, nor snow, will stop him from making us a video.
You're the best. Honest man I mean it. Even city folk can't raise a single issue with your video. Then those of us raised around and with fire arms appreciate your videos, just knowledge leaving almost no questions.
I prefer Pauls reviews over everyone elses.. not bogged down with bragging and etc....
This maybe a year to late but I think there has been a mix up. There is a difference between the extreme defense and the extreme penetrators.The fluting of the bullet is thinner with a larger cavity on the penetrators were as the defense is much thicker and shallower much like what is shown in the video and those are designed to not over penetrate. They are fluid displacement rounds, they work off the spin of the bullet and using the fluting to create a larger wound cavity. I could go on explaining but these are very cool rounds to research. Paul your you tube channel is one of the best if you're looking for knowledge or insight on firearms. Thank you for all the great videos.
The only gun type you tuber that needs a meat market for a sponsor. lol How many groceries do you go thru in a year?? Oh my!!! lol
I suspect Safeway would sell it at cost, but the chain would be a good choice. I am not sure they would want it to be known you have to tenderize their meat with a sidearm.
Well, it's funny but true... he can write it off as a business expense and show the video evidence of it being used as such.
I think he must give the Cold Steel guys a run for their money.
I don't even get out to the range much anymore but when Paul puts out a new video I always watch.
You killed my hero brand!!! Maybe the first honest test of this ammo.
The 380 ACP version looked like it worked.
I did a .44magnum on my channel that didn't do toi well... Just uploaded it this week
Looks OUTSTANDING for my LCP2. I'm switching from Buffalo Bore to this.
Did you switch to Underwood?
I like the hat.. my grandpa gave me on just like it in the 70's. i did my first quail hunt with it when i was a teenager. no idea WTF happened to it. great video. Im thinking of getting a sig P238 later this year so this was very educational. your videos are the best!
7:27 LOL
Sure I love this cannel, is pure gold.
Hy five from Spain, Mr. Harrell.
My cousin just bought a Sig P365 in 9x19mm, probably due to current events in her big city. Now's not the time to learn, but it's better than nothing. Ammo isn't very available, but she got Buffalo Bore +P HC FN lead for bears and moose like I recommended. The only other available ammo was Xtreme penetrator. I used this vid to show why she should get HP ASAP lol
Also the one about barrier penetration, a big concern in a crowded city for an office worker. You video about the Sig P365 was a big factor in convincing her to get that specific pistol many months ago (after I took her to every gun shop in the city to physically try every pistol under the sun lol), once the reliability problems had been worked out with the first releases and it was available with a thumb safety (the main reason she didn't go for the Glock 26, despite immediately loving it!). Thanks for putting this information out for free to The People. I've used it to make myself and several interested people around me better prepared and safer
Great video! I can appreciate all the setup and work that went into those targets!
I'm really glad that you made a video of this type of ammo actually hitting some plausible objects and what it can do. Most of the time we were just seeing gel shots, or hard barrier shots so I think this will help a lot of people come to a conclusion
I'm always waiting for your vids Paul. Great job as always!
Most people can't shoot very well to begin with, so there is just as much danger to bystanders that someone will miss the intended target as overpenetration. The advantage of this ammo really comes in if there are barriers involved. As always know what's behind your target. Great video! I very rarely carry a Ruger LCP .380 but when I do it's with this ammo.
The SiG ammo is good stuff. I carry the 200 grain JHP in my .45.
Your results sound consistent with the products documentation. It's been said "penetrates like fmj, cavitates like a hollow point". Your results confirm this.
The x-treme penetrator isn't the ultimate penetrator type bullet. Usually that goes to hard cast for a lot of people, but it deforms less than hard cast at higher speeds but still goes deeper than an HP. That's the point if the design.
A lot of people poopoo that it does damage other than ice-picking at all, abd the ads just show it's a truck bullet in gel, but useless on real meat and bone targets.
That hat is going to show up on Gun Gossip!
Jeffrey Lane I just discovered that channel about 10 days ago. It’s funny as heck. Have a great one
Gun Gossip is awesome!!
The moment he plopped that silly hat on his head has to be the funniest moment I’ve ever seen on ANY gun channel. I laughed my fool head off.
Love the videos, Paul! Keep up the good work.
I liked that Caddy Shack reference he made too.
Every time he ends his video with Paul Harrell saying, *_"this gun fits my hand better than that one,"_* it is a violation, but it advertises Paul Harrell, too. What he is saying in that video he did not do as well in his accuracy, but it was how it fit his individual hand, not the firearm's fault. I notice he does not blame the ammo or firearm for his misses. He says, "...but this one has a flier, but that was just me..."
Paul you make it hard to watch other UA-cam gun folks. Your videos are always great. Thanks for actually teaching and being factual!
Paul- I recommend a presentation on the topic of comparing steel and lead shot for a shotgun. Also, it would be nice if you could shed some light on the 10 gauge shotgun because there is very little information about it on youtube.
Oh I’d like that too.....the ammo’s a little expensive, but no one seems willing to cover it.
Iraqiveteran8888 has done a few videos about, or at least that included, 10 gauge shotguns.
Yeah they are some of the very few who actually have.
Not sure how I missed this vid. I had been doing research a while back on underwood in 380. am actually relieved that the 380 doesn't over penetrate too much. The gel tests that I had seen on this ammo often left me concerned about using this ammo for defense. I was sold on the idea that it performs similar to a hollow point without having to expand. 380 hollow points can be iffy, depending on what you run it through. I like the idea of creating a good sized wound cavity while still maintaining enough penetration to neutralize the intended target. I will continue to use this in 380. I don't often carry 380. I typically use 9mm luger for carry. But I do have 380 for backup. Thank you for the info. You never fail to give good insight.
Thanks for working late. Another great video.
maybe he tells the wife hes working, but hes just playing with his guns
This dude Rocks! Best, most objective and respectful videos on UA-cam!!
Great test, keep it coming!
love the caveat of people complaining that Xtreme Penetrator "over penetrates is ridiculous I totally agree. The underwood company has three flavors of the Xtreme ammo series, Penetrator, Defender and Hunter. I think you will like the Defender series since it is designed to give up it's energy quickly protecting the "innocent Bystander". I would enjoy seeing the results of your meat target. thank you Markd
Nice hat! Boom, just like that, Redd Green moment, duct tape & all!
If Paul is your idea of Red Green, you are my idea of Harold
Wasn't an insult, get a life.
At the start of this video, I was thinking "this guy is very bright." But, then I changed the settings on my phone, and I can see you much better now.
It's not a full metal jacket as stated a 0:26 -- It's a solid copper, monlithic projectiled.
It’s also not a h.p.
Jeffrey Weathers good correction, thanks!
For those who may have the same question as I do. The 380 ACP Underwood load being tested here is the standard pressure version. 380 ACP 90 Grain Xtreme Penetrator SKU 643. This is based off Paul stating the advertised velocity of 1100 fps at the 1:14 mark.
I watched the MAC review of them, but his theories about Terminal Ballistics are very wrong. And he only tested gel.
Had to come here to learn the real stuff! Paul knows what's up!
Had to stop by and say congratulations on surpassing 100k subscribers! While I'm certainly 'newer' to your channel I'm so appreciative for the backlog and wealth of information your channel has provided. Keep up the stellar work and looking forward to more.
Thanks. Should have a new video out today.
Not real impressed with this ammo. If I want more penetration I'll use fmj. Which I do carry a spare mag alternating hollow points and fmj. I will stick with federal HST and fmj's. Thanks for another great video Paul
Good to keep a mag of FMJ , in case you have to shoot through a windshield. I wasn’t impressed with the 9mm at all, but the 10mm stuff goes 1600fps. Not sure about the +P .45 though.
I think the point of his ammo is that it penetrates well while still causing a lot of damage to soft tissue. FMJs don't really do much soft-tissue damage.
You might want to see his video "Concealed Carry: Is Mixing Ammo a Good Idea?
". Alternating ammunition is largely associated with criminal behavior.
Thank you, sir! I just purchased a Glock 42, .380 for my wife. I like seeing a critical analysis of the capabilities and limitations of this ammunition; since it was what I was led to believe was the most effective .380 ammunition available for self-defense. We bought the Xtreme Defender version of this ammunition; for fear of overpenetration. Now, I think I will invest in the Xtreme Penetrator.
Thanks.
I always feel smarter after watching on of your videos.
And your videos are less expensive than a holiday inn.
I'd be willing to send some Xtreme defenders if your willing to test them
Richard Winkelman please do that. It would be extremely interesting to see how the defenders compare to the penetrators.
Richard Winkelman I second that !
I would really like to see that as well. Hollow-points are fine for calibers 9mm and above, but for 380 (and below) they often don't expand properly. Something like an Xtreme Defender or Xtreme Penetrator that doesn't have to expand is probably the way to go for self defense in small calibers.
I would love to see that as well.. I've only seen a few tests from the "defender" series in 9 and 380.. But I trust Paul's testing a great deal more than gel tests..
I just got the 65 grain +p and 90 grain +p+
Sig P238 with the Xtreme Penetrators is my lightweight backup to main rifle in the forest (BearSpray canister as 3rd backup). 16oz to carry loaded, versus 34+oz for my Ruger Security Six .357 Mag. Since I'm BackPack hunting, that small sidearm helps shave the oz's and is easy to wield in a 1-man tent. And easy to grab for when you need to take a piss in the middle of the night. And having a 2nd mag along gets me up to 6 + 7 + 1 for a total of 14 shots for hardly much extra weight. And the little P238 is crazy accurate for such a small gun, and has nice big chunky night sights on it, such that I can even manage to aim it without my glasses on, if I had to.
Try going to a butcher and see if you can get fresh pig lungs, they will be viable for up to 24 hours after slaughter if kept cool
There's a deer processer about a mile from my house, I can go there and he'll usually give me leftovers for use as a meat target, I know him well because he's been processing my deer for 20+ years.
Very interesting results. It's worth noting that this ammo is EXPENSIVE! I got some 140gr in .357 Magnum to try out (still haven't shot it yet as I have no place to setup a meat target). The intended pistol is the S&W 649 with 2 1/8th inch barrel. I would be very interested in seeing a followup video with that stuff. Your Ruger snubbie would be close enough. If you need a box sent, let me know how to arrange that.
The operational theory behind the ammunition is that the flutes cut into the solid copper projectile create the cavitation that a hollow point bullet would. Works great on gel from the videos I've seen. Very consistent too. It is also good with barriers. This is the first time I've seen any version of the Underwood tested on a meat target. Kudos for that.
I'm a simple man.
When I see a new vid from Paul, I immediately click.
I admit freely that this is one of the most common comments out there for any of a number of vids.
**shrug**
In a UA-cam full of tactical poseurs, your hat was a breath of fresh air. Another entertaining and informative presentation, thank you.
The hat! Lol oh Paul I love you man.
just dont throw it on the bed!
Congrats on 100,000 subscribers! Well deserved.
Paul... you need a meat target T-shirt. I think they would sell well.
Bu they would all have holes in them.
Like an endorsement from "Shamrock Meats" (sound familiar?)
I second the motion! Meat Target T-Shirts all around!
I'd buy one
Yes I upvote before even watching Paul Harrell's new videos
Guess I need to go out and get a .380 now
hot for a mouse gun but my tokarev 9 is louder lol
Thank you Paul for your straight forward videos that you are not hedging the truth. The best part is you do so being yourself. Hope you can keep the channel going with the BS that they have been giving the “gun channels “.
I'll stick with HST's in 9mm
Best firearm educational channel!
Good video, that out of the way, the LEHIGH Extreme Penetrator (in 9mm) is not meant for personnel protection, that is by LEHIGH themselves. In 9mm, Extreme Defender is the load developed by LEHIGH for personnel protection. However, in the weaker .380cal, the Extreme Penetrator is a very good performer. Both of these loads are in fact BARRIER BLIND, meaning they are not affected as a HP would be. Underwood uses the Lehigh bullet, but adds more charge and a nickel caseing. Lehigh has thier own video out that explains all of the above.
I like this guy, he's charmingly creepy in a good way. Think he should copyright the "Meat Target"
never fails in gun and shooting knowledge...or his sense of humor. well done Paul
I was having withdrawals!!!
Paul, The test you performed with Underwood Ammo's .380 and 9x19 cartridges topped off with Machined Solid Copper (not FMJ) Xtreme Penetrator projectiles manufactured by Lehigh Defense LLC is appreciated. Lehigh Defense also makes a similar, lighter weight Machined Solid Copper projectile with much deeper flutes called an Xtreme Defender that is intended for cartridges that a person will employ for personal defense. The XD projectiles create a greater permanent wound cavity than the XPs and they do not penetrate as deeply. Hopefully a thoughtful and generous viewer will send you some of Underwood Ammo's version of those in .380+P and 9x19+P to test.
As always, awesome video... is it wrong of me to want to call you "Elmer"?
I think they named it the Extreme Penetrator due to the fact that it peforms great through hard barriers like car doors and windshields. It is designed to dump it's energy in soft tissue.
Semper Fi, love your videos.
... So, its good for pocket pistols in minor calibers. Good to know. ..
Gloomshadow100 I currently rotate Buffalo Bore's hot all copper HP with hot hard cast in my LCP2 but I'm thinking no need to rotate for expansion/pentration - So for 380, anyway, this looks to be the ammo that closes the gap between the underpowered 380 and the 9. Penetration plus energy dump. Carry the pocket gun with conidence with Underwood!
Brad Erickson ..yeah, penetration, good wound channel and armor penetration all in one round that does not need to expand... if it feeds, not a bad deal.
I just ordered two boxes. Need to make sure it feeds (from what I hear in the forums, the LCP2 eats it like candy) and where it prints. Then will box up up all the Buffalo Bore and Critical Defense and save it for the apocalypse. Haha.
I believe that this round gives me the confidence to carry 380 instead of the larger pocket 9s. I have some Glock 40/357 Sigs to carry when I'm going places where an actual threat could possibly exist. It's nice to keep the Glock 27 at home in the case and EDC such a tiny gun that I forget is there, that I can shoot just as well as the 27 but finally not feel underpowered, thanks to Underwood! And thanks to the meat target (s)!
Brad Erickson ..sounds like a good load to me...the whole idea of a .380 round that does damage similar to a,hollowpoint but doesn't need to expand is a huge deal for .380... bc i just dont trust any .380 or 32 25 22 anything to expand reliably out of a pistol bbl , just not enough energy andmthe hole in nose is,just too small and easy to plug up.. damage without expansion in 380 is a huge deal.
Gloomshadow... You are exactly right. I load BB all copper very hot HPs because I believe through my personal testing, that they will expand better than conventional lead HPs and still give penetration and dumping their energy throughout the deep wound channel. But I'm clearly not convinced in their capabilities in 380 because I rotate Buffalo Bore +P hot hard cast rounds that will go through two meat targets, dumping minimal energy and, like you said, only making a small hole but my hope is that I can put the hole in the boiler room or a head shot. How great is it to have observed what Underwood was able to do to the meat target: it is the very best testing for live targets that I've ever seen in my life.
Like I said, I'm switching over knowing that my little pocket gun is now more than capable of eliminating any kind of typical threat. I always kind of felt the need to research the micro 9s but I truly love the tiny profile of the LCP2, not to mention, the trigger is so good (and I have small hands so the grip fits great) that I am more accurate with it than I am with my G27 and new G43 which I think I'll sell. Thank you Underwood!
To all the "380 underpowered" crowd, which included me until recently, this video is a must see and I'll be directing the people I know to it.
As always, excellent data on weapons, and ammunition performance for the enlightenment of all.
"This gun fits my hand better than this one does."
I gonna start by saying that I'm always impressed with your videos. The standard test you did is not where these fluted bullets shine. Their special talent is that they don't slow down significantly thru dry barriers. If you are really curious, make the same test with your now famous "meat target" and set a metal sheet, plywood and Sheetrock in front of it.YES. ALL OF THEM AT THE SAME TIME. THEN you will be impressed with the small difference in penetration between the two tests. Actually, the metal sheet will be welded to the tip of the bullet when you dig it out. Cheers.
Paul can you do a video of 9x18 Makarov ammunition for concealed carry? I'm not sure if you own a gun chambered in that but it would be a good video
Bush Did 411 I would send Paul my pa-63
I agreeeeeee
I own a pa-63 and there are Hornady JHP with the red plastic tips. It was the only defensive round I could find at the shops in my town. I don't carry it concealed due to the right hand safety being hard to switch to fire and the right hand grips with thumb rest (I'm a lefty). The round is between 380 and 9mm.
Charles Byrne left handed pride
similar to .380
Underwood's Xtreme Penetrator is designed to punch through barriers that would normally stop, slow down, plug or deform traditional expanding hollow points, while still delivering impressive cavitation damage on soft tissue. If Paul repeats the test with various hard barriers in front of his soft tissue targets, he will likely see the advantages of using the Underwood Xtreme Penetrators or the Underwood Xtreme Defenders.