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Really, the rifle must be able to FLOAT in a generous puddle of LSA for it to be properly lubricated. Understanding this is the MINIMUM needed. SSG. U.S. Army (Medically Retired) Infantry / Sniper / SOF Intel (SOT-A), multiple tours
Wow, you'd need at least a quart of LSA each time you clean your rifle! I guess they wanted to drill it home to the soldier at that time to clean and lubricate the rifle after each firing or even if it's been outside and not fired.
Running the upper "wet" makes for a goopy, greasy mess... But I found that while it is messy it does make cleaning easier... A wet bolt keeps the fouling soft and it pretty much wipes off... No scraping baked-on carbon off the bolt tail. I might feel differently if I were in a dusty/sandy combat zone... But quickly wiping off carbon soup after a day at the range here at home... It works.
When fighting in the desert please disregard this video. I love these old instructional videos. The arms room will need a basement like Jiffy Lube after cleaning this rifle.
RBC, LSA. USMC in garrison. wear a gun out cleaning. range for a week once a year. clean the gun all day everyday the next week. then once a month at least 3-4 hours, depending on the gun bunny, all day. UNLESS you were a WM I knew who never had to clear her rifle. But serviced the gun bunny once a month. when I started dating her, she got me off the cleaning roster too. She though she was marrage potential. fun, yes but keeper? only until PCS
I was a company armorer in my Finance Support Unit, not MOS armorer, just a 2 week course and additional duty. There was a problem magazine that kept showing up when we did weapons qualification. I had the supply sergeant "accidentally" run it over with the deuce and a half to get rid of it. Oops! Field loss sir.
Do a google search for McNamara’s misfits or McNamara’s morons . It will tell you all you want to know. Politicians and bureaucrats got a lot of our soldiers killed in Vietnam.
@@muddyhotdog4103 Yes, I know it’s a training film. I just thought it was interesting because the malfunction at the very beginning appears to be from file footage taken in the field, whereas the rest of the film is obviously scripted and filmed in a controlled environment.
LSA Semifluid and LSA Medium oil is still top Dog ! Great video but he didnt inspect the staggering of the rings when he sent the bolt carrier home. I think he also over lubed with the LSA but he did a great job. Highly Recommend the LSA semifluid.
Ring staggering will NOT shut down the rifle. The gas system is not that fragile. My M16A2 worked perfectly with only 1 1/2 rings. The rings had worn and were found on cleaning.
I still would love to know how the rumor that it was self cleaning got started. These rifles are super easy to care for and can be fully cleaned in like 15 minutes.
Some Army officials did not want the M16 to be adopted. They purposely did things that could cause the rifle to fall inspections during trials. They didn’t want the bore and chamber chrome lined and they didn’t issue cleaning kits. This was known that it would cause rifles to fall in the field at very high rates. Many have speculated that they wanted the rifles to fail because of the caliber and because they wanted rifles made only by the Springfield National Armory. When they started using ball propellant powder to increase the velocity of the 55gr bullets it was not properly tested. The military had tons of ball powder in stock and wanted to use it to keep from purchasing new powder. This by itself was not necessarily to cause the rifle to fail on purpose. But by not testing the ball powder ammunition properly in the M16 and certifying it as safe for combat purposes it in combination with non chrome lined barrels and lack of proper cleaning and training was a disaster waiting to happen.
Initial failure to chrome line the bore was not due to a secret effort to create longterm failure in the Stoner system. It will fire perfectly without chromed components. The benefits of chrome-lined parts is not related to the immediate firing of the rifle.
It *is* self cleaning in relation to carbon fouling. It is mechanically impossible for the rifle to accumulate enough carbon fouling to lock it up. Every time the bolt cycles, the bolt tail inside the carrier get the carbon scraped off as the rifle cycles and it simply falls out of the gun.
They forgot to clean the inside of the bolt carrier where the bolt carrier and the gas expansion chamber. There is so much carbon that goes inside of it. I have cleaned that area using a bit of bore cleaner to break the carbon, using a stripper clip to scrape, and a cleaning patch with a dental pick to clean that very important part, then oil and assemble.
You do not scrape the inside of the bolt carrier with steel. The dimensions are critical to the efficiency of the gas system. Simple brushing with brass/nylon and the usual oil or cleaning solution of choice are sufficient. The system will scrape excess carbon for quite a while even without cleaning. Source: School of the American Rifle.
We’d put lunch bags, even bread bags over the barrel with a rubber band. You can easily shoot thru the bag if necessary. Bread bags make good waterproofing on your feet also. Not everything is issued including your brain.
Meanwhile, in the mud of flooded rice paddies and trenches of eastern Europe, Charlie and Ivan field strip large AK parts washing them in ditch water, scrub the bore with a piece of bamboo, then clean and lube their reliable field grade infantry weapon with motor oil.
That was a lie from the government to give the weapon no chance, including using ball powder instead of IMR powder, not issuing cleaning kits and manuals. They were responsible for a lot of Americans getting KIA just because they didn't like the idea of a small caliber high velocity rifle not made of wood and steel. Outrageous.
Wrong sir. Kalishnikov system firearms (AK for video gamers) shut down just like other firearms do. And just because it fires doesn't mean that it's accurate enough to be effective at combat distances. You are repeating video game/no experience information.
@@gregbettis3620 You yourself seem to be repeating some myths here, AK rifles are as accurate as AR rifles when we are talking about military issued rifles, both M-16, M4, AK-47 and later AK-74 shot all in the same MOA range, in the 2-5 range, with 2-3 being a bit more common with the 5.56 and 5.45 guns. AK's are as accurate as AR's in general, the only exception being modern free floated systems, and even then, modern AKs are doing that too with the sureshot chassis. Well made modern AKs will shot right with AR's no problem in terms of accuracy. In general it is true AK are more reliable than AR, this has been proved time and time again, this is particularly relevant in sandy/ dusty conditions and in freezing temps/ ice. However kind of the like the accuracy being similar both guns in general are very reliable. The real strength of the AR over the AK is in weight and speed of manipulations such as fast reloads and bolt hold open etc. You are 100% right though that both will fail if not maintained, the AK certainly isn't a magical wonder weapon either.
@@gregbettis3620 It's clear you've never shot or owned an AK LOL. Also the insinuation "AK for video gamers" LOL you're out of touch buddy. I own both ARs an AKs, my 5.45x39 AK74 is one of the most straight shooting and accurate rifles I've shot and owned. No hardware or optics, just barebones with iron sights. Shoots on par while being lighter with less recoil than my 3 thousand dollar AR15. My 7.62x39 AKM, another very straight, precise shooting rifle. I pick those AKs up and they run flawless every time. To also insinuate they're not accurate enough to be effective at combat distances is asinine. It's abundantly clear you have no real knowledge or experience with them.
yeah, honestly i feel like they really downplayed how much LSA should be used. Shame because i keep a quart of LSA in every room in my house just in case. helps ward off the nightmare of rusty aluminum 😂😂💀💀
The legacy of over maintaining lives on. Hose the thing down in CLP or transmission fluid, clean the next day with a tooth/all purpose brush, wipe it down. Maybe go a little harder if >100 rounds were fired or blanks were used. And as many have stated here, jungle and moon dust middle east lube levels are different.
Malfunctions aren't always directly related to the firearm. As they mentioned, failure to properly maintain the firearm can create a Malfunction. The Stoner system is one of the most reliable on the planet.
@@gregbettis3620 It was genuinely unreliable at that time. Modern AR's are a whole different beast, very reliable in general and we have had decades to refine the system, but back in the day the M-16s really earned and deserved their reputation for being unreliable, and sure people love to jump in and point to lack of chrome lining, or bad powders etc, but, it was a flawed rifle from the start that through allot of hard work changed into what it is today. Just worth mentioning that the AK on the other hand was running like a sewing machine day 1, they of course had different issues with manufacturing at first with bad stampings leading them to start milling rifles instead, even in the legendary AK's case it took a few years to get all the issues ironed out.
@@rifleshooterchannel208 It wasn't just ammo, early M-16 weren't even chrome lined. It was a systemic failure, including the ammo, but AR fans these days want to blame it all on the ammo alone, and it wasn't, but it certainly was a major contributing factor to its bad performance. Also think about it for a minute if dirty ammo alone could cause a rifle to fail so badly you can't honestly just blame the ammo, the rifle should never be able to fail just because the powder was bad. You can run worse ammo made in a garage from Pakistan in a AK and it will function just fine.
@@-Zevin- It wasn’t that the ammo was “dirty” it was loaded with old powder that was starting to go bad and the burn rate was much too slow so the pressure at the port was higher. The slow burn left a lot of fouling and the increased port pressure increased the rate of fire and bolt velocity. Bad ammo can jam *any* gun. The chrome lined bore and chamber wouldn’t do much alleviate the ammo specific issue but did help quite a bit in the jungle environment as far as corrosion was concerned. The AK is a long stroke piston and the rifle is (deliberately) massively overgassed. Any gas that isn’t used to cycle the rifle is bled off at the gas block. That’s why it’s more forgiving, but load up some 7.62x39 with Hodgdon H1000 and get back to me about how reliable it is. Bad ammo will jam *any* gun.
they really globbed the oil on that trigger group didnt they? ..........guy in the 10th mountain told me they used pledge of formula 409 or some shit over in Somalia
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If you're watching this, you don't need that much lube. Don't put bore cleaner in your lower either.
I just submerge my whole gun motor oil, works pretty good.
"If the rifle doesn't slip out of the riflemans hands after cleaning more Lsa needs to be applied to the rifle"😂
🤣 😂 🫡 🇺🇸 🪖 🥾
Really, the rifle must be able to FLOAT in a generous puddle of LSA for it to be properly lubricated. Understanding this is the MINIMUM needed.
SSG. U.S. Army (Medically Retired) Infantry / Sniper / SOF Intel (SOT-A), multiple tours
@@ScoutSniper3124 I wear CLP as cologne.
Place in waterproof bag.
. Fill With LSA
Wow, you'd need at least a quart of LSA each time you clean your rifle! I guess they wanted to drill it home to the soldier at that time to clean and lubricate the rifle after each firing or even if it's been outside and not fired.
Amen! 🙏🏻 Thanks for watching! 🙇 🪖 🇺🇸 🥾
Funny how they recommend pouring bore cleaner into the lower receiver.
Right! Thanks for watching :)
"This presentation brought to you by the makers of LSA." 12:15 scrubbing the outside of the upper receiver with a brass bore brush 🤯
Same thought😂
Running the upper "wet" makes for a goopy, greasy mess... But I found that while it is messy it does make cleaning easier... A wet bolt keeps the fouling soft and it pretty much wipes off... No scraping baked-on carbon off the bolt tail.
I might feel differently if I were in a dusty/sandy combat zone... But quickly wiping off carbon soup after a day at the range here at home... It works.
I'm with you. And lite grease is even better.
What a great video, thanks for uploading it.
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Narrator and soldier definitely held shares in LSA Inc.
..that bore cleaner was prolly the old WWII era corrosive ammo cleaner/cologne in the dark green cans..I still have nice supply...
M14 , heavy yes , but dam she just worked every time .
Thank You for sharing
When fighting in the desert please disregard this video. I love these old instructional videos. The arms room will need a basement like Jiffy Lube after cleaning this rifle.
Why not just dunk the entire gun in a barrel of LSA? The makers of that stuff must have made a fortune and a half.
RBC, LSA. USMC in garrison. wear a gun out cleaning. range for a week once a year. clean the gun all day everyday the next week. then once a month at least 3-4 hours, depending on the gun bunny, all day. UNLESS you were a WM I knew who never had to clear her rifle. But serviced the gun bunny once a month. when I started dating her, she got me off the cleaning roster too. She though she was marrage potential. fun, yes but keeper? only until PCS
Right hahaha 😂
Preach! 🇺🇸
Thanks for posting this 👍🏻
The pleasure is all mine! Thank YOU for watching! 😎
..brings back memories of Basic (Ft Dix A-3-3) June- Aug 1971...
Holy moly so much oil and lubricant on that M16
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LOL he said " if your mag is messed up, just turn it in for a new one' lol
I was a company armorer in my Finance Support Unit, not MOS armorer, just a 2 week course and additional duty. There was a problem magazine that kept showing up when we did weapons qualification. I had the supply sergeant "accidentally" run it over with the deuce and a half to get rid of it. Oops! Field loss sir.
The troop firing his M16 at about 0:50 into the video has a malfunction.
And just shooting up
💥 💨 🔫
Do a google search for
McNamara’s misfits or McNamara’s morons . It will tell you all you want to know. Politicians and bureaucrats got a lot of our soldiers killed in Vietnam.
That was the point of the video, to show malfunctions happen
@@muddyhotdog4103 Yes, I know it’s a training film. I just thought it was interesting because the malfunction at the very beginning appears to be from file footage taken in the field, whereas the rest of the film is obviously scripted and filmed in a controlled environment.
LSA Semifluid and LSA Medium oil is still top Dog ! Great video but he didnt inspect the staggering of the rings when he sent the bolt carrier home. I think he also over lubed with the LSA but he did a great job. Highly Recommend the LSA semifluid.
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Ring staggering will NOT shut down the rifle. The gas system is not that fragile. My M16A2 worked perfectly with only 1 1/2 rings. The rings had worn and were found on cleaning.
good vid, saving this for post range wipe downs
Thanks for watching!
Needs SOTAR gauges
it might be quicker to throw the whole rifle in lsa then wipe dry the parts that dont need it.
For real right!?
I still would love to know how the rumor that it was self cleaning got started. These rifles are super easy to care for and can be fully cleaned in like 15 minutes.
Some Army officials did not want the M16 to be adopted. They purposely did things that could cause the rifle to fall inspections during trials. They didn’t want the bore and chamber chrome lined and they didn’t issue cleaning kits. This was known that it would cause rifles to fall in the field at very high rates. Many have speculated that they wanted the rifles to fail because of the caliber and because they wanted rifles made only by the Springfield National Armory. When they started using ball propellant powder to increase the velocity of the 55gr bullets it was not properly tested. The military had tons of ball powder in stock and wanted to use it to keep from purchasing new powder. This by itself was not necessarily to cause the rifle to fail on purpose. But by not testing the ball powder ammunition properly in the M16 and certifying it as safe for combat purposes it in combination with non chrome lined barrels and lack of proper cleaning and training was a disaster waiting to happen.
Initial failure to chrome line the bore was not due to a secret effort to create longterm failure in the Stoner system. It will fire perfectly without chromed components. The benefits of chrome-lined parts is not related to the immediate firing of the rifle.
Takes me like 8 beers
It *is* self cleaning in relation to carbon fouling.
It is mechanically impossible for the rifle to accumulate enough carbon fouling to lock it up.
Every time the bolt cycles, the bolt tail inside the carrier get the carbon scraped off as the rifle cycles and it simply falls out of the gun.
No wonder some of our boys in Nam were high as a kite, they coated their rifles in LSA! 😮
Wait, we're supposed to clean them?
good thing we don't need a function check
They forgot to clean the inside of the bolt carrier where the bolt carrier and the gas expansion chamber. There is so much carbon that goes inside of it. I have cleaned that area using a bit of bore cleaner to break the carbon, using a stripper clip to scrape, and a cleaning patch with a dental pick to clean that very important part, then oil and assemble.
You do not scrape the inside of the bolt carrier with steel. The dimensions are critical to the efficiency of the gas system. Simple brushing with brass/nylon and the usual oil or cleaning solution of choice are sufficient. The system will scrape excess carbon for quite a while even without cleaning. Source: School of the American Rifle.
We’d put lunch bags, even bread bags over the barrel with a rubber band. You can easily shoot thru the bag if necessary. Bread bags make good waterproofing on your feet also. Not everything is issued including your brain.
Condoms became popular later as did plastic dust cover plugs that fit the flash hider.
Eugene Stoner; 'My rifle's rate of fire is over 700 rds/minute', Me; 'So, why only a 20 rd. magazine?'
Meanwhile, in the mud of flooded rice paddies and trenches of eastern Europe, Charlie and Ivan field strip large AK parts washing them in ditch water, scrub the bore with a piece of bamboo, then clean and lube their reliable field grade infantry weapon with motor oil.
So the rifle they said doesn't need to be cleaned, needs to be cleaned everyday. Is there something wrong with that or is it just me?
Exactly 😈 🪖 🥾 🇺🇸
That was a lie from the government to give the weapon no chance, including using ball powder instead of IMR powder, not issuing cleaning kits and manuals. They were responsible for a lot of Americans getting KIA just because they didn't like the idea of a small caliber high velocity rifle not made of wood and steel. Outrageous.
"Apply LSA to all surfaces by dunking the rifle into a 55 gallon drum."
If after cleaning and failure to extract or failure to fire Exchange for an AK and don’t clean it.
Wrong sir. Kalishnikov system firearms (AK for video gamers) shut down just like other firearms do. And just because it fires doesn't mean that it's accurate enough to be effective at combat distances. You are repeating video game/no experience information.
@@gregbettis3620 You yourself seem to be repeating some myths here, AK rifles are as accurate as AR rifles when we are talking about military issued rifles, both M-16, M4, AK-47 and later AK-74 shot all in the same MOA range, in the 2-5 range, with 2-3 being a bit more common with the 5.56 and 5.45 guns. AK's are as accurate as AR's in general, the only exception being modern free floated systems, and even then, modern AKs are doing that too with the sureshot chassis. Well made modern AKs will shot right with AR's no problem in terms of accuracy.
In general it is true AK are more reliable than AR, this has been proved time and time again, this is particularly relevant in sandy/ dusty conditions and in freezing temps/ ice. However kind of the like the accuracy being similar both guns in general are very reliable. The real strength of the AR over the AK is in weight and speed of manipulations such as fast reloads and bolt hold open etc. You are 100% right though that both will fail if not maintained, the AK certainly isn't a magical wonder weapon either.
@@gregbettis3620 It's clear you've never shot or owned an AK LOL. Also the insinuation "AK for video gamers" LOL you're out of touch buddy. I own both ARs an AKs, my 5.45x39 AK74 is one of the most straight shooting and accurate rifles I've shot and owned. No hardware or optics, just barebones with iron sights. Shoots on par while being lighter with less recoil than my 3 thousand dollar AR15. My 7.62x39 AKM, another very straight, precise shooting rifle. I pick those AKs up and they run flawless every time. To also insinuate they're not accurate enough to be effective at combat distances is asinine. It's abundantly clear you have no real knowledge or experience with them.
They forgot to mentipn to use LSA
yeah, honestly i feel like they really downplayed how much LSA should be used. Shame because i keep a quart of LSA in every room in my house just in case. helps ward off the nightmare of rusty aluminum 😂😂💀💀
And The original M16 was "Self cleaning" !!
This movie was sponsored by manufacturers of bore cleaner and LSA.
(Remember to use almost ALL of them!)
What's the guy in the thumbnail doing, using the bolt to comb his eyebrows? 🙄 Who knew. 🤔
Wow, he does more damage by over cleaning than if he would just lube it lol..
That’s true! 😆 Thanks for watching!
The legacy of over maintaining lives on.
Hose the thing down in CLP or transmission fluid, clean the next day with a tooth/all purpose brush, wipe it down.
Maybe go a little harder if >100 rounds were fired or blanks were used.
And as many have stated here, jungle and moon dust middle east lube levels are different.
They showed us this video in 1983
Oh wow! I joined in 2004 😆 I’m glad I posted this video, so many people seem to really enjoy it. God bless you! 🇺🇸
Personally I fill my Camelbak with gun oil and douse my AR after every mag change.
0:52 malfunctioned
Yessir 🫡 🪖 🥾 🇺🇸
They were trying to show that the rifle can and will malfunction, that was the point
Basic trng must see 1974
I bet 💪 🪖 🇺🇸
shortly after calling the m16 a reliable gun, they show a recruit having a malfunction while firing 🤣
Malfunctions aren't always directly related to the firearm. As they mentioned, failure to properly maintain the firearm can create a Malfunction. The Stoner system is one of the most reliable on the planet.
@@gregbettis3620 It was genuinely unreliable at that time. Modern AR's are a whole different beast, very reliable in general and we have had decades to refine the system, but back in the day the M-16s really earned and deserved their reputation for being unreliable, and sure people love to jump in and point to lack of chrome lining, or bad powders etc, but, it was a flawed rifle from the start that through allot of hard work changed into what it is today. Just worth mentioning that the AK on the other hand was running like a sewing machine day 1, they of course had different issues with manufacturing at first with bad stampings leading them to start milling rifles instead, even in the legendary AK's case it took a few years to get all the issues ironed out.
@@-Zevin-It was the ammo, 100% the cause was bad ammo.
Thank McNamara and his “wise men.”
@@rifleshooterchannel208 It wasn't just ammo, early M-16 weren't even chrome lined. It was a systemic failure, including the ammo, but AR fans these days want to blame it all on the ammo alone, and it wasn't, but it certainly was a major contributing factor to its bad performance.
Also think about it for a minute if dirty ammo alone could cause a rifle to fail so badly you can't honestly just blame the ammo, the rifle should never be able to fail just because the powder was bad. You can run worse ammo made in a garage from Pakistan in a AK and it will function just fine.
@@-Zevin- It wasn’t that the ammo was “dirty” it was loaded with old powder that was starting to go bad and the burn rate was much too slow so the pressure at the port was higher.
The slow burn left a lot of fouling and the increased port pressure increased the rate of fire and bolt velocity.
Bad ammo can jam *any* gun.
The chrome lined bore and chamber wouldn’t do much alleviate the ammo specific issue but did help quite a bit in the jungle environment as far as corrosion was concerned.
The AK is a long stroke piston and the rifle is (deliberately) massively overgassed. Any gas that isn’t used to cycle the rifle is bled off at the gas block. That’s why it’s more forgiving, but load up some 7.62x39 with Hodgdon H1000 and get back to me about how reliable it is.
Bad ammo will jam *any* gun.
Soak a rag with bore cleaner. Soak a rag with LSA.
What a mess.Easy on the LSA... I guess they did not invent needle oilers yet?
Needle oilers for various purposes date toi the 1800s but I don't know when they were first adopted by a military.
they really globbed the oil on that trigger group didnt they? ..........guy in the 10th mountain told me they used pledge of formula 409 or some shit over in Somalia
I followed these instructions, the rifle flew out of my oily hands into a river.
"Butter, er, , ,I mean LSA Fingers."
WAY TOO MUCH DETAIL HERE!! 95% of that is not needed!!
Send a drone