"They will always deal 24 damage for whatever reason. I think RNG hates me a bit" and then he takes 24 damage from a lost soul after getting the megasphere. Beautiful.
There was an "urban legend" of sorts circulating around the Doom community that the shotgun at the start of MAP21 (considering the map's name is "Nirvana") was a deliberate reference to Kurt Cobain and his unfortunate demise. However, Romero has denied this at least once - I suggested to one of my friends from the Quake Wiki (who often emailed JR with Quake-related questions) to specifically ask him about this rumor, and he replied it was just a bogus fan theory and nothing more. P.S. That missing upper texture is barely visible in vanilla Doom, so you can't really blame Sandy for missing it.
I was just wondering this. I imagine that regardless of the truth he is legally mandated to say it's false to avoid getting nuked from orbit by Courtney Love and Cobain's state.
I remember the first time I played this level and it terrified me looking at all of those medkits. I was thinking ''oh, god. Am I about to face five cyberdemons? What sort of challenge requires all of this health?'' And then you play the level and its actually so easy that 2/3 of those kits are still there by the end. There is even a Megasphere within easy reach. Its an absurd decision, frankly.
I feel like it was expected to be a central hub with tons of teleporters going off, almost like tricks and traps, but Sandy just didn't have the time to complete the map
Sandy was so savage in the 90s, he made 2 different versions of Nirvana, one of which was compatible only with the ports that are not released yet. Hopefully, he also made the same for the Downtown and removed the arrow.
I would like to know the story behind how this level ended up the way it did. My theory is that Doom II was originally going to have separate episodes and Nirvana was designed around a pistol start. Sandy put together a short level, then set it aside and focused on the larger levels he was working on. He was planning on going back and polishing it up before release, but was told it wasn't necessary. As I understand it, episode opening levels are usually finished last so they can be the most presentable and get players hooked, however, they might be started much earlier in development and used as a baseline/reference for difficulty/balancing purposes. Due to some miscommunication and/or misunderstanding, Sandy thought this would be Doom II's E3M1, and didn't get a chance to fix it before release.
@@rudestlink I think Sandy's background in Cthulu games and the working idea this was going to be a difficult game lends to that. Honestly, I think a big secret to good mapping is prepping for pistol start. If you die, you still want to be able to finish the level without a save.
Finally an April that's fools us not for this map LOL! 😂It's an interesting map to start and I do like this music again from Map 03 and now for this in Nightmare is taking some time to beat! Also love your intro here as well hahaha! 😆
Nice try Decino, we all know this level changes completely when you play on Nightmare. It even changes so much that enemies don't respawn. Too bad you didn't play on real Nigthmare😢
This map and chasm always remind me of christmas, cus during christmas 97 or I think 98 I snuck in to play doom on my gramps pc and loaded the 5 saves to see what they were and two of them were nirvana and chasm.
Well, at 0:43 all your pellets went into the void, and at 2:26 you surely entered the teleporter, only that you didn't. I think this alone makes a cool map!
I played this map today on dsda sourceport and noticed the missing texture in the ceiling too 1:30 . But it seems it's not Sandy's fault. Fired up OG Doom2 on DOSBox and it looks correct there. Loving your playthroughs btw.
A final room that is made so easy by the invulnerability sphere, that you don't even need to grab the radiation suit. But then again, you're pretty much speeding through it on this mode.
I always thought that at this point of the game, the doomguy just got back from wherever he went to gather a stockpile of medikits in order to best prepare for the hell adventure. 1:29 that "Ah!" lol
when I was a kid I used to love the final room with the green slime so much, I would always warp to this level and have fun blasting all the monsters, I never even finished the level I just kept clearing that one room over and over for fun lol.
That barf threw me off guard. I forgot you did the same joke last time, but I think this one is executed better. Now please tell me why cutting off funny sounds makes them more hilarious.
I just finished Nirvana on my nightmare playthrough today. Now I'm caught up to you! Minus all the secrets and items, i'm not insane enough to go that far, but this is the first time i ever got to the wolfenstein maps without cheating. I can't believe you did the pain elemental room without a BFG. It's weird that the radiation suits don't count as items. Why do some pickups count as items and some don't? The tiny armor bonuses are more worthy of counting to the completion tally than the hazmat suits? I finished the heavily gimped PSX doom maps with respawning monsters and even with all the nerfs there the next map gave me a lot of trouble. Good luck... to both of us. It's the map that put the chaingunner in S tier
Ah, Map 21: - UUUEEGH (As stated by Decino himself) That sound was... pretty unnatural, at first I had to go back and listen to it again. Either that, or a high-energy barf
Decino, you probably have the largest collection of doom wads. Maybe you can help me remember one I once played a long time ago. I cannot remember its name but I do recall that the wad used a custom waterfall texture for lava on a map and that map in question had some epic piano music.
@@decino I wish I could. I just remember the lava falls with the white rock textures on a map with some epic piano music going on. For the life of me, I just cannot remember the name of the mega wad. First thoughts made me think it could have been Scythe 2 or Momento Mori when I saw those names but they weren't it.
Regarding Nirvana, Sandy was like You Know You're Right and was All Apologies about it. He didn't mean for it to Drain You. Just Something in the Way when designing it.
eitherway the level kinda Blew, it knows how to Breed a lot of anger in you, a lot of Dumb sections that really Milk It with the enemy spam. can't help but Scoff whenever i have to play through it
Very creative comments, i probably would have an Aneurysm trying to come out with them On A Plain idea!😅 Maybe if i had spent more years on School.... But yeah, Nevermind...
I know that in the Playstation trophy hunting community, there is a trend to consider MAP29 the hardest map of Doom II on Nightmare. But the trophy there requires you to do all Doom II maps on co-op Nightmare which I know is slighly different. But it will be interesting to see how you, decino, deal with MAP22 and MAP29. I might use your videos as guides for when I get to that stage. Great job with these videos thus far. Looking forward to see how this will end. :)
Small, conscise rooms, each with a very clear purpose. No dumb mases, no degenerate switches that do something half a map across, pretty cute and tame. Yeah, maybe a bit uninspired but way-way better than the downtown abomination
2:44 decino have you ever talked about that sort of "sprint" when running peeling the wall in any of your analysis videos? That would be of much interest to me.
Ah, map 21 (literally, the legit one), so much is there to discuss about it, specially about the starting room. I consider it good, or just decent, the only tricky part is getting that megasphere, you have to be quick, like real quick to get it. Other than that, the rest is fine.
Such a wonderful level that it deserves two playthroughs in two days.
Damn this map changes completely different on nightmare
Yeah
Happy to be your 69th like
Yeah it feels like an extended arena. The small simplicity of the rooms make it just "you and them."
"This is map 21, *vomits*" 😂
The abrupt cut makes it even better.
I don't get it. Why hate this map?
It's the only valid reaction
If you saw the video he released before this one it makes perfect sense. Definitely confusing out of context though.
That's not vomiting... *that's Lost Soul expulsion.*
"They will always deal 24 damage for whatever reason. I think RNG hates me a bit" and then he takes 24 damage from a lost soul after getting the megasphere. Beautiful.
And the one right after that only hit for 4. Just an extra little 🖕 from the RNG
@@OhShitSeriously 15*
Decino on April 1st: Sandy is a freking genius!
Decino on April 2nd: BLEEEEEGH!
There was an "urban legend" of sorts circulating around the Doom community that the shotgun at the start of MAP21 (considering the map's name is "Nirvana") was a deliberate reference to Kurt Cobain and his unfortunate demise.
However, Romero has denied this at least once - I suggested to one of my friends from the Quake Wiki (who often emailed JR with Quake-related questions) to specifically ask him about this rumor, and he replied it was just a bogus fan theory and nothing more.
P.S. That missing upper texture is barely visible in vanilla Doom, so you can't really blame Sandy for missing it.
It is best to deny it, whether true of false.
That seems way too mean-spirited for Sandy, anyway
I was just wondering this. I imagine that regardless of the truth he is legally mandated to say it's false to avoid getting nuked from orbit by Courtney Love and Cobain's state.
I'm pretty sure it was meant as nirvana in the spiritual sense, given the context (leaving the earthly realm)
@@wallyhackenslacker ...there's nothing illegal about tasteless jokes, dude. I think you spent too much time on Tumblr or something.
It seems that the Archvile outran the turbo Pinky this time since the linedef didn't trigger any sector alteration upon crossing. What are those odds?
0.666%. Repeating.
the pinky must've tripped.
"This is Map 21." *Sounds like a demon *
I remember the first time I played this level and it terrified me looking at all of those medkits. I was thinking ''oh, god. Am I about to face five cyberdemons? What sort of challenge requires all of this health?''
And then you play the level and its actually so easy that 2/3 of those kits are still there by the end. There is even a Megasphere within easy reach. Its an absurd decision, frankly.
Maybe the game was balanced around Nightmare.
@@linusgustafsson2629 Wasn't Nightmare intended to be a joke mode though? That's how I always understood it.
Makes me wonder about the order the maps were started and finished, chronologically. Maybe this was a tail ender
I feel like it was expected to be a central hub with tons of teleporters going off, almost like tricks and traps, but Sandy just didn't have the time to complete the map
Sandy was so savage in the 90s, he made 2 different versions of Nirvana, one of which was compatible only with the ports that are not released yet. Hopefully, he also made the same for the Downtown and removed the arrow.
Map 22 is gonna be something. Can't wait for the outtakes
Decino, see how much faith we have in you :D
Wow, can't believe the RNG for the arch-vile to beat the pinkie for a proper playthrough in nightmare!
I'm guessing the pinky didn't win the race this time
I like how you almost immedietly got hit for 24 damage after mentioning it always damaging 24
Starting Nirvana with a double barreled shotgun, damn Sandy chill.
This map is a heart-shaped box that smells like decino's spirit.
More like a square shaped box who smells like demon spirit!!!!!!😂
decino loves nirvana level so much so he played it twice.
LMAO that intro dude, well played !
4:17 "(which one isn't square?)" lmao
The imp trap room thing was old in the factory, so it showing up again in Nirvana was like "oh come on"
I would like to know the story behind how this level ended up the way it did. My theory is that Doom II was originally going to have separate episodes and Nirvana was designed around a pistol start. Sandy put together a short level, then set it aside and focused on the larger levels he was working on. He was planning on going back and polishing it up before release, but was told it wasn't necessary. As I understand it, episode opening levels are usually finished last so they can be the most presentable and get players hooked, however, they might be started much earlier in development and used as a baseline/reference for difficulty/balancing purposes. Due to some miscommunication and/or misunderstanding, Sandy thought this would be Doom II's E3M1, and didn't get a chance to fix it before release.
sounds reasonable. someone should ask Sandy some details regarding this map
I know Sandy has stated that all his Doom Levels are designed around a pistol start
@@rudestlink I think Sandy's background in Cthulu games and the working idea this was going to be a difficult game lends to that.
Honestly, I think a big secret to good mapping is prepping for pistol start. If you die, you still want to be able to finish the level without a save.
Finally an April that's fools us not for this map LOL! 😂It's an interesting map to start and I do like this music again from Map 03 and now for this in Nightmare is taking some time to beat! Also love your intro here as well hahaha! 😆
2:36 handled that room smoothly! good job!
using infighting in that blue key room smells like team spirit
'Also thank you Sandy for the missing upper textures, it's freaking beautiful.'
Sheesh. He may be Sandy but at least he's not Salty.
I was smiling at the end of previous video and laughing hard at the beginning of this one🤣 need more these moments
Nice try Decino, we all know this level changes completely when you play on Nightmare. It even changes so much that enemies don't respawn. Too bad you didn't play on real Nigthmare😢
Exactly. Someone had to say it!
For real this time! The Archvile wins the race!
Sandy spawned that revenant to punch you for criticizing his map.
Simple, yet effective. I really liked the presentation of the level.
Ah, Nirvana, the coincidental Shotgun map, Yikes 😬
Kurt Cockaine
doom 1 hell levels : bite sized replicas of locations from dantes inferno
doom 2 hell levels : square room, the chasm, water cube
0:06
0:07
God damn that was unexpected LOL.
So brilliant, Sandy you did it again 👏
This map and chasm always remind me of christmas, cus during christmas 97 or I think 98 I snuck in to play doom on my gramps pc and loaded the 5 saves to see what they were and two of them were nirvana and chasm.
Genuinely had me fooled yesterday because I watched it while half asleep. GG no re.
Well, at 0:43 all your pellets went into the void, and at 2:26 you surely entered the teleporter, only that you didn't. I think this alone makes a cool map!
0:10 kurt cobain reference😂
Not sure if I've ever heard of a room in Doom being called the Hungarian room lmao
Awesome level brother
Great run and good luck on the next map.
Ah, my favorite level: “BLAAAA-“
"But eh, what a strange design."
he tries way too hard at avoiding it
Hehe, that wasn't so bad, surely. Bravo!
Dude, you already did this one
I remember this stage. Not only it’s a living hell stage, the sky is terrifying. Fleshy skulls it’s like your inside the belly of the beast 😨
I don't mind this map, but for your sake I'm glad you're done with it. And glad you had fun with it yesterday. 😂
i was not expecting the beginning lmao
Good luck! You got this
I am glad to see the Hungarian flag room properly this time. Unlike the recreated from memory version.
I played this map today on dsda sourceport and noticed the missing texture in the ceiling too 1:30 . But it seems it's not Sandy's fault. Fired up OG Doom2 on DOSBox and it looks correct there. Loving your playthroughs btw.
It is 100% Sandy's fault. The way missing textures are rendered differs per source port.
Yeah, I have never seen those missing textures
doomwiki.org/wiki/File:MAP21_TriangularCeiling.png
Greetings everyone and welcome to my 100% playthrough of Doom II on the nightmare difficulty plus 100% of the items. This is map 21 BLEEE-
Nice run pumpkin man
Long awaited 🍿🧡
22 incoming... good luck sir.
A final room that is made so easy by the invulnerability sphere, that you don't even need to grab the radiation suit. But then again, you're pretty much speeding through it on this mode.
I always thought that at this point of the game, the doomguy just got back from wherever he went to gather a stockpile of medikits in order to best prepare for the hell adventure.
1:29 that "Ah!" lol
I thought it was called the Hungarian room because Viktor Orbán looks like a mancubus.
when I was a kid I used to love the final room with the green slime so much, I would always warp to this level and have fun blasting all the monsters, I never even finished the level I just kept clearing that one room over and over for fun lol.
HEUGH is my favorite DOOM 2 map
Damn Decino, you made the imp/ lost soul room look easy lol
Another NM Speed although the Megasphere could and perhaps should have been the secret
I have a deja vu feeling.
Man turned into an imp while saying the map number
New Rule: I'm tired of inventing new ways to make Doom even more difficult for Mr. Decino; so he'll have to think of some for himself.
Wait..... i actually got fooled and thought that other one was real. Well played.
Will you do Map 33: Betray as well?
MAP22... I can't wait to see more than 15 outtakes
this map is the protoype for the Mucus Flow and youll never change my mind
I think sandy actually did a great job with this for an introduction to hell. You loathe the level. The proof is in the pudding.
Holy crap i actually thought yesterday's video was real. This is the first time a youtube April fools video got me lol.
That barf threw me off guard. I forgot you did the same joke last time, but I think this one is executed better. Now please tell me why cutting off funny sounds makes them more hilarious.
I guess you could say this level makes you feel stupid and contagious.
"This is map 21 - *Barf noises*" - Decino
A+ That made me laugh
Thanks for the softlock sandy
I just finished Nirvana on my nightmare playthrough today. Now I'm caught up to you! Minus all the secrets and items, i'm not insane enough to go that far, but this is the first time i ever got to the wolfenstein maps without cheating. I can't believe you did the pain elemental room without a BFG. It's weird that the radiation suits don't count as items. Why do some pickups count as items and some don't? The tiny armor bonuses are more worthy of counting to the completion tally than the hazmat suits? I finished the heavily gimped PSX doom maps with respawning monsters and even with all the nerfs there the next map gave me a lot of trouble. Good luck... to both of us. It's the map that put the chaingunner in S tier
Find someone who loves you as much as decino hates Nirvana.
Fun fact about this map: with RL you don't need any key at all.
Ah, Map 21: - UUUEEGH (As stated by Decino himself)
That sound was... pretty unnatural, at first I had to go back and listen to it again.
Either that, or a high-energy barf
yeah that room is kind of deadly even on UV. in any case good luck with the next one!
Oh my, you totally fooled me yesterday 😅 srsly
The enemies teleporting nonstop everywhere adds quite the spice in the game, not bad
Decino, you probably have the largest collection of doom wads. Maybe you can help me remember one I once played a long time ago.
I cannot remember its name but I do recall that the wad used a custom waterfall texture for lava on a map and that map in question had some epic piano music.
Needs to be a bit more specific than that.
@@decino I wish I could. I just remember the lava falls with the white rock textures on a map with some epic piano music going on.
For the life of me, I just cannot remember the name of the mega wad. First thoughts made me think it could have been Scythe 2 or Momento Mori when I saw those names but they weren't it.
Regarding Nirvana, Sandy was like You Know You're Right and was All Apologies about it. He didn't mean for it to Drain You. Just Something in the Way when designing it.
eitherway the level kinda Blew, it knows how to Breed a lot of anger in you, a lot of Dumb sections that really Milk It with the enemy spam. can't help but Scoff whenever i have to play through it
@@minmaxxer oh my god i need some Lithium to handle all these puns
Very creative comments, i probably would have an Aneurysm trying to come out with them On A Plain idea!😅 Maybe if i had spent more years on School.... But yeah, Nevermind...
Seems like people are having some territorial pissings in these comments.
What the heck?! Ive never seen this version of the map! :D
Dude you already uploaded the nightmare version of this map, there is no need to upload the I'm too young to die version.
Wait, where's Captain Picard? Did the Arch Vile just happen to win the foot race today?
"April Fool's Nirvana" > Actual Doom 2 Nirvana
Well decino you got me with the April Fool’s joke lol… oh well good one! 😂
Oh my god, he did it!
I know that in the Playstation trophy hunting community, there is a trend to consider MAP29 the hardest map of Doom II on Nightmare. But the trophy there requires you to do all Doom II maps on co-op Nightmare which I know is slighly different. But it will be interesting to see how you, decino, deal with MAP22 and MAP29. I might use your videos as guides for when I get to that stage. Great job with these videos thus far. Looking forward to see how this will end. :)
Guess Arch-vile won race this time on Nightmare to make you suffer
Considering the midi kits, It feels like this map was made for nightmare
Small, conscise rooms, each with a very clear purpose. No dumb mases, no degenerate switches that do something half a map across, pretty cute and tame. Yeah, maybe a bit uninspired but way-way better than the downtown abomination
wait, i thought you compleated this map yesterday 😉
2:44 decino have you ever talked about that sort of "sprint" when running peeling the wall in any of your analysis videos? That would be of much interest to me.
Finally!
0:07 Wait... I always called "Nirvana" like the band... is this the real name? "BUUUGHHH-" ?
Nirvana is a buddhist paradise🤦🏻♂️
@@efrax.gravityblaster.666 i... can't tell if you are being sarcastic or you didn't get my comment lol
Ah, map 21 (literally, the legit one), so much is there to discuss about it, specially about the starting room.
I consider it good, or just decent, the only tricky part is getting that megasphere, you have to be quick, like real quick to get it.
Other than that, the rest is fine.
In case you also watched yestarday's Nirvana video: Kappa.