The MCU is a Universe?! *Gasp*
Вставка
- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- Responding to silly tweets.
Enjoy!
======================================================
===IF YOU'D LIKE TO DONATE TO ME===
Paypal: PayPal.Me/Th3Birdman1515
Patreon: / th3birdman
Twitch Donation: streamlabs.com...
===IF YOU'D LIKE TO FOLLOW ME===
Twitter: / th3birdman15 @Th3Birdman15
Instagram: / th3birdman15
Discord: nQZRn5m
Subreddit: / th3birdman
Facebook: / th3birdman15
Subscribe: / th3birdman
======================================================
Disclaimer: I actually REALLY enjoy CinemaSins, and am only making fun of them here. I do not hate them, nor am I a "hater". This video is all in good fun.
======================================================
***Th3Birdman merchandise can be purchased at either of these links:
teespring.com/...
represent.com/...
======================================================
The "EWW CinemaSins" Playlist: • EWW CinemaSins
CinemaSins' Channel can be found here: / cinemasins Subscribe!
My Equipment:
Microphone: Electro Voice RE20
Editing Software: Premiere Pro CC 2023
Thanks for watching, and have an awesome day buds!
#Th3Birdman
I have the opposite problem. It's when the shows DON'T connect that it bugs me because it's marketed as a shared universe. The crossing over of characters is what made me interested in the MCU in the first place.
I can understand that. I was a little annoyed that the giant stone head in the ocean Is never mentioned anywhere.
Same. I remember watching Moon knight and being surprised when they didn't reference anything from that show in any movie past it.
@@Cobalt_Spartan Ancestral plane from Black Panther was mentioned at one point but same
@@Cobalt_SpartanIt was still very cool nonetheless
@@chrono9503 I never said it was bad. I loved moon knight. I wish it gets a second season.
As someone who never watched a MCU film prior to the Avengers, and never saw another one until Infinity War, all MCU films (Except Endgame) are more or less self contained.
It was the interconnectivity of the MCU that convinced me to go back and watch the other films prior to Endgame's release.
I think the people who complain are like Jeremy: They don't pay attention to the film, get confused, and instead of paying attention, they blame the connected Universe aspect.
It's not that they're self-contained. It's just that they're competently written enough that watching other films is never really a requirement
I agree that they're standalones for the most part and I think that's why there seems to be a correlation where the worst films rely on being part of the MCU as opposed to being a story. I personally love Infinity War but of course it's best enjoyed with a lot of context, regardless of that my family still enjoyed their viewing. On the flipside, I don't think I could convince any of them to watch Thor 2 again and that might be because the film largely feels like the only interesting thing in it is establishing the stone in hindsight although it was packaged as a solo film
@@nyshyn307Oh, I don't disagree. The films do have a lot more enjoyably if you've seen the others first. Just that you can have fun with the film without that context is great.
@@nyshyn307 Agreed on Thor 2. Outside of a few moments it is a slog to get through. It is the weakest out of the important movies in the infinity saga imo. The important ones being the ones that introduces the main Avengers cast, each Avengers movie, any that features an infinity stone as the macguffin of the movie or as a direct tie in to Infinity War and Endgame. So Thor 2 and Guardians of the Galaxy as examples for the stones and Civil war, Ragnarok along with Ant-man and the Wasp for the latter.
I only watched the Iron Man movies and Spiderman: Far From Home before watching Endgame (granted, I knew about the Snap). Aside from not recognizing certain people and missing a few easter eggs, I followed it perfectly.
I got into the MCU because a friend forced me to watch Infinity War and Endgame, I'd never seen any previous movie or had any knowledge of marvel from any other media, and yet I was instantly hooked with every single character and plot point. I didn't feel like I missed out not watching everything beforehand, nor was my experience going back and watching the entire MCU negatively effected by it, if anything it's kind of cool knowing the endpoint and piecing everything together. You absolutely don't need to watch every single project for context.
We can practice ‘in medias res’ ourselves without filmmakers doing it for us! Starting a story in the middle without context can sometimes be a lot of fun ^^
I also don't understand why everyone is so up in arms about spoilers,I heard spoilers before seeing endgame,I knew who died it alowed me to catch a lot of foreshadowing I otherwise wouldn't have caught and that didn't effect my ability to enjoy the movie at all.
When you mentioned that guy with Mjolnir I felt physical pain from that.
You should have seen the look I gave that mf.
@@Th3Birdman prob like the example in the video if not worse.
Same
@@Th3Birdmanthe look i gave was a look of disgust, pondering how anyone can be this dumb and a look of shame
@@Th3Birdman That guy must have also been confused AF when Captain America picked it up and used lightning against Thanos.
I think the introduction of the TV shows (when combined, run longer or about as long as a single MCU film) being integrated into the MCU is what is compelling people to be under the false impression that they need to be "caught up" before watching an MCU film post End Game.
Either that or they just hate the Captain Marvel franchise.
That makes sense. If a show is six episodes long and each episode is an hour long, people would have to watch it for 6 hours compared to a two hour movie.
@@stur3366Yeah I've seen that particular sentiment passed around a lot on UA-cam and Twitter. While I can somewhat understand it, it doesn't change my opinion on the MCU personally.
I get the length thing but it’s still not the MCUs fault for people not bothering to keep up. You have to decide to watch the TV shows or not and if you miss specific context, tough shit, not the movies fault it doesn’t explain everything that happens because that would be boring and bloat a films runtime.
@@woodman3926 As Birdman points out, there is no "need" to see the tv shows to feel like your caught up. The movies are mostly self contained stories anyways. The only reason to see the shows is if you're interested in the particulars.
While I do agree MCU content is not what it used to be, some people make it their life’s mission to push the idea that it is total garbage now and impossible to save.
Oh it definitely can be saved, but it has been crap for the last year. Maybe it's a me issue but I just don't care about any of the new characters.
@@Marvelfanatic3658that's a weird thing to say considering most of the characters from phase 4 are all from phases 1-3
Tell me about it, they it’s all people care to do anymore
@@tonysmith9905 I mean, after all tastes are tastes and I just can't make myself like these movies entirely.
Antman 3 got some laughs from me, not gonna lie. But the way they set up Kang as this powerfull villain that killed other avengers just to be topped by ants really didn't go well for me. And then Cassie just say some encoraging words in the hologram there and then a lot of people just decided "yeah, we should fight for this girl that we don't even know that much, sounds plausible". And Modok...uh...I mean, taking the obvious bad cg aside...I think the people writing him couldn't decide between making him a funny haha idiot or a tragic guy with a sad life.
Thor Love and Thunder I can't give a opinion because I didn't watch it, so I'm not gonna just see others reactions to it and base my opinion on them.
And then Doctor Strange 2.
I gave me headaches...like...I mean...I just can't like this one.
Having Wanda as a villain is a great idea...if she is consistent...which she is not. I mean, her powers just doesn't make sense! In one scece she fucking bends reality and blackbolt mouth is gone and soon later Reed Richards becomes spaghetti, and then she actually has to fight Carter and Captain Marvel! Like, what!? Just bend the reality again! I mean, we could argue about Marvel, her powers also coming for a infinity stone...but Carter? Really? Like, I know she dies later, but she shouldn't be able to put up a fight to begin with. And where the fuck was Xavier!? One of most powerfull mutants in the planet should be with the team! He literally could stop wanda for a few seconds at least. I mean...no shit their Doctor Strange had to do everything himself, their teamwork sucks.
There is more but honestly this is getting too long so I'm gonna end here.
Again, tastes are tastes and if you can actually find something to really like in these movies, I really envy you.
No hate to you or anyone that enjoy these movies.
@@iamthestormthatisapproachi916so In other words you don't understand the basics of the scarlet witch that has existed as long as she has.
Th3Birdman is the only person who understands the MCU these days... I'm so glad someone out there actually has some sense
REAL
I mean even in the comics it's always been related ,but idk if I can forgive marvel for wat they did to gorr the God butcher😅
@@Marvelfanatic3658bro finally said something other than "Ok" 👏 😂
he really is the only film youtuber worth watching when it comes to mcu
maybe not the *Only* person the understands the MCU, but definitely one of the few youtubers that I can respect, because he gives *Valid* criticism and gives ways that to improve the medium instead of just saying "Oh, I pErCiEvE tHiS aS FeMiNiSt WoKe GaRbAgE ThErEfOrE It'S BaD! Wah Wah Wah" god I find those morons annoying as hell
idk why there are so many complaints about disney+. the only valid one is when a new show comes out they release episodes weekly instead of just all at once. but aside from that i think disney+ is great
This is my number one complaint about D+
Me personally, I hate when shows are binge dumped.
@@qicleSame, as someone with barely no free time I absolutely prefer watching 1 episode then digesting it throughout the week.
its because they want you to keep waiting for each episode so you pay more not that hard to understand
@@qicle Except the trash Disney Plus is shitting out is actually movies cut into little segments and sold to people as weekly shows when they actually aren't.
Ikr are they shocked that a connected universe is connecting
in the comics they barely connect anything they live in new you York and characters don’t interact like at all
How did Jessica Jones affect the MCU?
@@yarc9that a fu-cking lie
@@yarc9you are talking about DC comics
@@EmperorDxD characters in dc live in fictional city’s vs marvel they live in New York City
As you said, all the recent movies makes good effort to clue the audience regarding content that not everyone might've seen. In MOM upon Wanda's appearance, they essentially explain the plot of Wandavision and her downfall to evil in literal minutes. "I know I did some wrong things about west--" "I'm not here about that." & "I have the darkhold" "the DARKhold? The one that corrupts ANYONE who hold this book? That DARKhold?" "Yep."
I was almost baffled by the amount of people angrily bemoaned about the idea of "I have to watch Wandavision!?" or "This is soooo complicated that I have to watch xyz things just to understand!!!". It's gotta be pure laziness. Or simply seeking clout on social media.
That argument falls so flat given that if they don't wanna watch it, they can just look it up.... no one is telling them the only way you will only be able to understand the context to a movie is by watching the show preceding it.
I've only seen the opposite. Wanda fans feel like the movie twisted her arc by making her a villain. As it happens, MoM writers actually have NOT seen or got to see WandaVision yet, they just work up from notes and shits. Understandably, some nuances might get lost.
I actually think the movie corrected 1 of the show's big mistakes, I think Wanda is supposed to be a villain.
That is until the movie committed the same dumbass mistake as the show at the end, making the villainy all Darkhold's.
A dark artifact corrupting someone is a very classic fantasy trope so... its not necessarily bad. It would be bad if Kevin was like "Ok thats it for Wanda game over."
If they wanted to see more redeeming factor like maybe her hesitating at some points in the film to show she isn't entirey full on villain I can get behind that.
One of the things that have really turned me off to going to the movies is exactly this feeling that most people in that room are there because they face that experience as some kind of compulsory mandatory thing. People are sitting on their chairs, rolling their eyes, scrolling their instagram feeds, texting someone with brightness cranked up to 200. Long gone are the days where people talking was an issue, now I have to control my rage not to punch the people taking selfies and clapping when the movie ends.
And I always thought that this kind of social thing was the pinacle of FOMO. But turns out that lately I've been finding that FOMO doesn't even have to be that social.
There's a huge percentage of the population that, at home, far away from anyone's gaze and judgement, will sit through hours of games they don't like and series they don't care about like it is their job. I've admitedly been bad at unsubbing from things like youtube channels I don't care about anymore and just having them on as background noise, and even playing games to keep my mind slightly busy. But this is on a different level.
It's kinda like the thing between the 70's and early 2000's of shutting off your brain when you're in front of a tv screen somehow ended up breeding with the twitter/facebook virus of everyone needing to have an opinion about everything everytime.
That "consoomer" meme seems more real to my eyes everyday that passes.
@@tonysmith9905It does kinda break the social contract of going to the Movies. The Pandemic has really ruined many people's theater etiquette.
Prior to the Pandemic, none of this happned.
How dare a media franchise do as it advertised itself to do!
This. This is facts.
Heck I watched Multiverse Of Madness without watching WandaVision, and I still enjoyed that film without the need to watch the show (I managed to watch it, a great show!) it told me what is important, and wanna see the mentioned events? WATCH THE SHOW. If you “need” to know, watch the show, otherwise why need it if you don’t bother to watch the show?
So thank you, for pointing out films can still stand out, and let the movie present the established character.
Btw, how was Secret Invasion and the Season 3 of Mandalorian? Did you enjoy these shows, Birdman?
I'm enjoying Secret Invasion, but the last three episodes are insanely short for no reason, thereby making them feel cut up to lengthen out the season. First two episodes were an hour, last three have been 44, 38 and 39, respectively, and that INCLUDES the intro and credits. Cancerous shit.
I have not yet watched the Mandalorian (for a variety of reasons, mainly because I've been swamped). I am excited to dig into the season.
@@Th3Birdman Got it. I am worried for the finale, given how some MCU shows tend to rush them with their finales. And I hope you soon get to watch Season 3!
my personal note for secret invasion;
pros : the writing, especially the lines/dialogues they wrote for the characters were one of(in not) the best in mcu. the cast did a magnificent job and played the shit out of their roles. bad guy was amazing. motivation, threat level, charm, pulling the attention, providing action full package. it had kind of stakes and tone that can keep the audience on their toes. violent scenes werent sugar coated, they truly demonstrated how much a filmmaker can do with the limits of pg-13. it demonstrated a satisfying superskrull action
cons : i couldnt care much about nick fury as a protagonist. i felt like with a little change on the writing, they wouldnt even need fury and could use talos or giah as the real protagonists for the entire show instead. story didnt bring any compelling excuse about why nobody calling the avengers other that fury's quote in front of his tombstone, which, again, wasnt that compelling. certain twists werent as smart as they think they were. felt like drama minus logic writing(although i might need to watch again). the conclusion of the final fight was kind of lazy.
i cannot decide between B- and C+
I think you make a good point about the movies standing on their own. I'm not expecting The Marvels to reference lots of plot details from WandaVision and Ms Marvel--and when they do, if they follow the practice we've seen, they'll explain themselves enough to get by. Some of the TV shows, I'm just not that into, but I don't feel like skipping them will make it impossible to follow. (Honestly, I'm not that into a couple of the movies, either--it took me years to get around to the Norton Hulk, and I don't feel like I missed that much now that I have seen it. If it becomes necessary to figure out what the hell I watched with the Eternals, I'll do it, but mostly, I just shrug it off and it hasn't cost me anything. Though I am deeply invested in Shang-Chi and keep waiting for it to show up in the rest of the movies and shows. I mean, guys, come on. Everything is connected except for the thing I like best? ;p) I think these moviemakers have earned enough trust to know that we'll get enjoyable movies for the most part and that they know how to tell individual episodes within the shared universe. I'm surprised to find myself looking forward to The Marvels. I didn't like Captain Marvel all that much, but I like Monica and Ms Marvel and the premise looks at least a bit endearing.
I remember people complaining on how you needed to watch wandavision for DS2 but the whole situation is explained and understandable in like 5 minutes lol
As someone who has seen like 3 or 4 movies past endgame, you always have basic elements at least, and it's sometimes better than learning that there were multiple earth shattering events that are never mentioned again
As someone who watched Dr. Strange 2 before Wanda Vision (take that however you'd like) I didn't know exactly the details of what Wanda did to become that film's antagonist but I didn't need to for the most part. I could still follow the sotyr pretty easily from how things were presented. Did I still have questions? Yeah! But they weren't severe enough to ruin my viewing experience and I eventually had those questions answered when eventually watched the show.
This is ridiculous. People forget that a film franchise has a lot of multiple parts that interconnect with different characters. It’s not necessary to watch every single piece, but it helps
Never underestimate the stupidity of average internet user.
I agree whole heartedly. I personally don't watch the tv shows but find the movies pretty self contained, or at least there is usually enough information to figure out what transpired. Adding to that note, even if I don't understand or follow the MCU as much anymore, I wouldn't complain about not knowing something because I was the one that actively made the decision to not watch that specific MCU movie or show.
Even more BAFFLING considering that the 3618371 "Phase 4 Sucks" Videos in UA-cam, most of them argue that one of the reasons the MCU "fell off" is because Phase 4 felt "disconnected" and "directionless" and bemoaned the lack of a crossover/Avengers movie like previous phases to cap it off.
And FINALLY, Phase 5 releases the first actual Crossover Team Up movie since Endgame, The Marvels, with characters from 4 different projects continuing their arcs... And NOW they also complain that is "TOO CONNECTED"?????
At this point it just feels the internet just pulls at straws to complain about this franchise, logic and reason being 100% forsaken.
Oh yeah, You got to watch Captain Marvel, Iron Man, Iron Man 2, Captain America: The First Avenger, Thor, The Avengers, The Winter Soldier, Age of Ultron, Endgame and Secret Invasion to understand who Nick Fury is before watching The Marvels, right? /s
Honestly, now it's become kind of the opposite. If you watch something that's supposed to be connected, you'll just be confused when things don't add up. The WandaVision and Multiverse of Madness disconnect is a great example
Ultimately, there's *too much* material being put out at once, which is what's making it like homework, especially when the works that are supposed to be connected are focused on doing their own thing to the point where they end up ignoring the rest.
They need to stop pace the releases better so things aren't somehow simultaneously spread thin and very cluttered.
"you'll just be confused when things don't add up" - yet. Don't add up yet.
Something one sees (in my case 'saw', since I stopped interacting with it) in Doctor Who fandom is when something that, superficially, doesn't 'add up', you get them running around like wet hens screaming "Plot hole" (which makes me pull the Inigo Montoya "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.") or that "X is killing the franchise" (MFer, the might of the BBC didn't kill the damned franchise, and they were trying) when one merely has to wait.
What happens in a universe? EVERYTHING 😂
It’s not always the best but yeah Marvel movies have been pretty good at expositing the necessary info for newcomers to the series.
Plus there’s other options if you don’t wanna spend time and money on D+. Either read a short synopsis of Wandavision and Ms. Marvel online or watch one of those “EVERYTHING you NEED to KNOW before watching THE MARVELS” type videos
There definitely is a balance, though, for example: while watching the previous movies would enhance the experience the first Avengers movie kept enough information that it could be watched in isolation, multiverse of madness though never independently establishes the minimum necessary plot threads for its own story (eg it doesn't explain how wong knows she's destined to rule the multiverse or destroy it, he just says it seemingly out of nowhere if you didn't watch wandavision).
I mean, use context clues. She is referred to as the Scarlett Witch and has the dark hold. You should be able to fairly easily figure out that what Wong says there is connected to these other things which probably means that because she has that title and has that book that is why she will destined to rule or destroy the multiverse. While it does take more critical thinking than just being told that in Wandavision, that doesn't mean it can't be deduced.
Plus there's the super secret book that only the sorcerer supreme gets that Wong explicitly mentioned earlier in the same film. Context clues say that at minimum, it's from that book. If not that, then it was probably mentioned in any of the scores of other books Wong guarded (and read) from his time as librarian.
I would argue that Wandavision gives about as much information as about Wanda being a Nexus being as Multiverse of Madness does.
Uhhhh, what? That's not even a _plot point_ in either WandaVision or Multiverse of Madness.
Like, the only reasonable question I can understand people having, who didn't watch WandaVision, is how did Wanda get the Darkhold in the first place.
Like, they pretty much spoon-feed you all the necessary elements of the film.
Good points and all, but jesus christ seeing those ticket prices in LA hurt my eyes
What I don’t understand is that nobody is FORCING them to consume all the different pieces of media in the MCU.
Yet they continue to get all unnecessarily upset that a connected universe is… connected.
What’s the point of the MCU if events don’t connect or bounce off each other? Should major events be ignored in favor of maintaining surface level individuality in projects that are quite literally adding to the lore of a long established canon?
They should know what they’re getting themselves into, and judge it for what it is. Not what they personally believe it should be.
exactly the amount of people that complained about She-Hulk werent forced to watch the show.
The fact there's STILL Brie Larson haters and has lasted a good 5 years is pathetic
The lack of integrity with these "Msheu" channels is extremely soul crushing
That argument kind of falls apart when you have a connected universe where stories won’t make sense unless you watched the other 2-3 shows/movies that tell the missing parts. And yeah, you could just never get into modern mcu stuff, but that also means you are alienated from your favorite characters because to understand their movies and stories you have to watch garbage like capt marvel or something. I think most of the criticism towards interconnected stories that are spanning multiple movies is primarily directed at phase 4. Before phase 4 you could watch any movie leading up to infinity war and get a fairly self contained movie that was enjoyable. Now you are expected to have D+ and watch the content they are shoveling out like slop and hope (in vain) that they won’t waste your time on pointless stories that insult you as the viewer at every opportunity. But maybe I’m wrong, maybe the mcu has always been that level of interconnected and we only started realizing when the quality dropped to the point that it wasn’t enjoyable to watch every new movie. Before stage 4 every movie was a pop culture topic, everyone saw them and enjoyed them, so there was never really a point where you saw one movie in isolation and were unaware of previous stories. That’s a likely explanation
@@Will_RulesSo true
but... isn't the point that if you WANT to understand the connection, you have to consume the media?
Thank you for this video. I saw this tweet and thought about how this guy and people like him would cry at the prospect of "having" to watch One Piece. Also getting tired of people tweeting about how they're "free" from the MCU now because they decided to stop watching it, as if anyone was forcing them to watch it to begin with.
I wondered what happened to that guy when he learned that DCEU is also a shared universe? Probably had to buy a new pair of underwear
2:53 pretty impressive being able to watch 12 hours worth of movie content in one sitting.
Yup. They had intermissions between each film so you could go to the restroom and buy snacks and whatnot. Unforgettable movie experience. When the Avengers were in that circle in New York, that was the biggest movie cheer I'd ever heard up to that point. Good times.
One of my favorite (yet not necessarily accurate) analogy on this matter was a post I saw in 2019: “It’s like washing your hands before you eat: not doing so wouldn’t get you killed but it’d be better if you do it anyway.”
Look what it got us this far.
My wife stopped watching MCU after Infinity war. She recently started watching Secret invasion and it recommended she watch Captain Marvel and from there she got a better idea about the skrulls origins. It's time consuming yes but you are free to watch at your own pace.
It reminds me of how I started with Trails of Cold Steel 3 but the way characters spoke I could still more or less tell what had happened. At the same time, going back to Zero and Azure added more weight to several events.
Likewise, Touhou gave tie-ins dedicated to characters that would eventually either appear in (Kasen) or be relevant to (the SSC) the games.
In both cases I'd say that you could just pick an entry point and work your way back and forth depending on what caught your interest (also helped by CS3 being advertised as a "good entry point" and ZUN commenting that he considers a level of inaccessibility important to the Touhou experience).
Frankly, the only reason I don't watch a lot of the MCU is because I don't watch a lot of movies in general.
thank god marvel are sticking to their vision and connecting the shows to the movies
Thank you! You've basically said all my problems about this dumb "critique".
Birdman made my exact points on that post. People's fomo is pissing me off lately you can leave.
Is Thor that much stronger than Hulk? I instantly imagined Loki's, "That's how it feels!" in the Grandmaster's grandstand
😮 It’S aLl CoNnEcTeD?!?!?!??
Why didn’t anyone say anything about this to me?!?!? 🥴🥴🥴
PS. I feel like we need to tell Jeremy all of this or ask him to apply more of this kind of logic or at least suspend his disbelief more often in fictional movies but you’ll most likely get more from a brick wall.
To be fair, Agents Of Shield had nothing to do with the overall MCU and it wasn't until recently that shows actually mattered.
agents of shield isnt produced by marvel studios and there are noticeable differences between the world agents of shield takes place in and the world the movies take place in i.e. phil coulson is alive in aos
@@SamersonT That's what I mean. Maybe that since AoS wasn't all that connected is what's throwing people off.
For anyone who didn't watch the Daredevil Netflix-now-Disney+ series, Matt Murdock showing up in Spider-Man NWH was a nice introduction to the character, showing that he's a lawyer who helps those less fortunate (aka those he considers to be good people and unfairly treated), as well as someone who has superpowers despite his physical disability.
For me, someone who has seen every single season of the Netflix shows except the final season of Jessica Jones (I will get to it eventually), and especially rewatched the first season of Daredevil multiple times, I nearly screamed in the theaters when he showed up and was sorely disappointed that I seemed to be the only one excited about it.
Something tells me they're either not a marvel fan and don't know every MCU movie/show is connected to each other or they're just average marvel fans that will watch marvel stuff once and awhile but for some reason won't do simple research to see what's connected and what's not and will get surprised when you tell them what's connected and what's not.
Either way, both cases involve people forgetting or not knowing the painfully obvious marvel cinematic universe is a cinematic universe
People still dont know that the U in MCU means universe
This is one of the reasons why Birdman is the king we need. Honesty and realism. This is what I'm telling my homies almost every single day. And I'm happy they're starting to understand.
A huge, big, throbbing (PAUSE!!) and sincere *THANK YOU BIRDMAN!!* Can't wait for the day you hit millions of subscribers because that's what This channel deserves! 😁
LONG LIVE THE MASTER OF THE NESTS, THE AVIAN KING, LORD OF THE EAGLES, OF HAWK-LAND AND OF THE FALCONS FROM THE NORTH, KING BIRDMAN THE FIRST!!!!
The current state of armchair critics piss me off so much. You explained it great in the video, but the whole reason I got into the MCU was the connection. Something I could follow, theorize, and care about. Even still, at the end of the day, a lot of these shows could be treated like one to two movies due to length similarities. I think I would RATHER Disney/Marvel dropped them all at once so they could be binged, but that is beside the point (I can't wait to finally get to binge Secret Invasion next Wednesday). People constantly gripe about how the MCU is dead. How everything relating to it is dog shit now. They sold out for their streaming service (which, as you mentioned, is super convenient and affordable). Yes, some of the movies were mid, some were actively bad (I honestly don't feel any movie hits dumpster tier for me, but I am a bit of an apologist). People lost some of the characters they care about, and now that more need introduced and the stories are back to Phase 1 introduction style kind of templates for a lot of the shows and half the movies, people act like it's all over. Like the MCU has finally gone to the farm up north. In Phase 4 we had Shang-Chi. One of the best Marvel movies IMO. Not top tier, but like A tier (with S or S+ being the top). I know a lot of people gushed over Wandavision (Wasn't my thing, but I don't think it was bad either). Loki was great. Black Widow was a very well written movie. The CGI suffered from the standard covid problems, and the movie REALLY needed to be a prequel to Infinity War and not something that happened after Endgame. Eternals was..... Eternals. I think as a movie it kind of fumbles, but I do know people who really like it. It's a lot of information and it's long, but there are things to enjoy. It also gives more reason to Thanos as a character since he was an eternal himself. And doubling all the resources would have killed all the planets from celestials being born even earlier. And destroying the universe was a last resort to help mortal life survive against the threat of celestials. Hawkeye is an amazing little christmas comedy and I will not hear otherwise. Then you have Spider-Man Far From No Way Home. These movies were basically the same as infinity war and endgame. They were just one really long movie. While I'm not the biggest fan of FFH and I think NWH panders a little too much to nostalgia and not to substance, they are still amazing movies. As someone who doesn't like horror movies, I did enjoy MoM. I was surprised when it got so much hate. It also was heavily effected by covid, so some stuff happened to keep it from being as big a multiverse movie as it wanted, but I think if you move past that, the movie has tons of fun moments. You also have Wanda who you want to see be better and get help as we have become so attached to her over the years as the villain. I, personally, think the movie gets shat on far too much. Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Fun little buddy duo thing. Thor 4 was Thor 4. Probably my least favorite thing from Phase 4, but I still think it was like passable. This one got major covid pains, so I don't try to hold it against the teams that make these things we enjoy so much. They could have done better, they just were under tight restrictions. Moon Knight has me super split. As I mentioned, my love for the MCU is from the connected overarching story. Moon Knight feels like an individual stand alone piece. The actor is AMAZING. And the ending fight with the two halves working in harmony was great. I felt like all the "is it real or not" and lack of connectivity to the greater story kind of took away from my enjoyment overall. She Hulk, despite what people may say, was not that bad. Do I wish I could get the image of She Hulk twerking washed out of my brain? Sure. But otherwise it was fine. Nothing overly bad. I was amused through basically all of it. Dragon Ball fans are looking to MCU fans with the "first time?" meme when people are like "Why is she hulk already where hulk is in controlling her powers?" Because the story would be redundant if we had to tell the story of another person getting to that point, and we want to tell a different story with this character. Because it is fiction we can easily hand wave it away. Like, for instance, since she got her powers from Bruce's blood, she got his hulk state as a starter form. Easy, solved, done. Move on with your lives. I didn't hear nearly as many complaints when Kate Bishop was shooting arrows with extreme accuracy from being in an Archery club and being half Hawkeye's age, but go off armchair critics. Didn't watch Werewolf by Night as it isn't a genre that interests me and I keep getting told its a one off that doesn't matter. Black Panther was alright. I think it dragged on a little long, but everything was believable. I really really liked that it wasn't just "Think really fondly of my family and I will make the thing even though I could before" there was the fact that she now had a new piece of material to help her finish the puzzle. Ms. Marvel was my favorite show from Phase 4. It was greatly crafted, the characters were great. We got to hear the best MCU song again (Star Spangled Man) the culture and all that were explained just enough you know what's going on, but doesn't halt the plot to give you a classroom lecture about it all. It is what I believe to be a near perfect show for Disney+ MCU. Phase 4 was good. People like to hyper focus on the bad bits that were inflated due to covid, but it is good. It isn't top tier, which I feel everyone expects every movie to be endgame or infinity war quality every time. We aren't the DC Movie Universe. We slow burn our way to the big ones. Phase 5 has also been fairly good. People are super shitting on Ant-Man 3, but it was one of my favorite movies in a long time. Yes, MODOK looks weird, but that is literally by design. Not every line lands, but when does any movie land every line? It was a fun movie that makes me happy to be an Ant-Man fan. If you don't like it, that's fine, but I think it was a very good movie. Guardians 3 I also see getting some flack. While people are generally more positive with this one, I have seen many people complain about it due to basically having to watch animal abuse. And I get that.
TLDR: People have been super hyper critical after endgame. Not every movie is perfect, but most of everything has been fairly good. The Armchair Critics have just been hyper focusing on this blemishes and become this large vocal minority. If the MCU aint for you, then leave. Let us enjoy it still.
I wasn't overly fond of the Ms. Marvel show but goddamn it I watched every episode and every New Rockstar breakdown of every episode because I knew it would be important for later. To date the only thing I haven't seen is Guardians 3.
I loved how Erik apologized for his Mephisto obsession and now mocks himself in each video where he mentions his name 😂
That shows humility
Oh believe me, Guardians 3 is a must see, hope you get around to it
I think that comment faith bad for another reason: When ABC did Shield, Agent Carter and Inhumans and Netflix did their Marvel show, the big complaint was lack on tie-in the MCU movies.
oliver and company is damn good movie tho, underrated gem for sure
"Why should I worry?" is a banger of a song
I was never a reader of the comics. I read some when I was younger but out of curiosity more than anything else. I’m a big fan of the MCU and I watch everything, tv shows and all. There are lesser movies and shows but because it all ties together there are rewards for people who have stuck with it from the beginning. I like watching your videos because your way of looking at the MCU runs parallel with my own thinking. Thanks for the content.
They made self contained TV shows that had no effect on anything.
They were called “Cloak and Dagger” “The Runaways” and “Helstrom” and nobody bothered to watch them.
Common Birdman W
I get that it might not work from a business perspective but the real argument is that it's asking a lot for most fans, who are usually casuals, to consume that much content to stay completely in the loop. The other option is to risk having gaps in your knowledge when you see a project on the big screen that may or may not be significant to the film. I personally know more casual fans who were thoroughly confused seeing Doctor Strange 2 because they hadn't seen Wanda Vision. And yea, you could argue that you can piece together what you need to without seeing every show they put out, but let's be real, the average movie goer is kind of oblivious and needs their hand held through the movie.
Don’t forget how hypocritical this criticism is. When Phase 4 and 5 first launched, people were complaining that there was no build up towards a larger storyline, that they didn’t know where all of these movies and tv shows were going to lead. But now they complain that it’s all becoming connected and builds up towards bigger, overarching stories? I mean, who could’ve guessed that Captain Marvel, Ms.Marvel and The Marvels are going to be connected, right?
Yes, very hypocritical of them. I'm sure the people who were complaining about them not being connected are the exact same people who are complaining about so many tv shows and movies being connected.
There is no nuance whatsoever, it's either this or that.
The point is, like Birdman himself said in this video, they used to introduce new characters in another movie like Civil War or just make a solo movie about them.
Now, you have this many new tv shows that are longer than a movie and way way way tf worse than the movies with terrible plots and writing about one particular character that they could've introduced in another movie like literally The Marvels.
And making terribly paced tv shows that don't feel like actual weekly tv shows, rather a movie cut into episodes with random runtimes, mostly only half an hour.
They could make tv movies instead and put them on Disney Plus. They could shit them out at once because these shows are meant to be binged not wait a week for them. Instead, they put them weekly to sell more months of subs.
If you find it baffling or surprising that someone thinks going to MCU while seeing there are so many tv shows now too exhausting when it used to be only a few movies, then I don't know what to tell you.
And they don't even know how to count.
That guy said early MCU didn't require so much viewing but the first avengers literally required you to have watched at least 4 different movies before.
And now they complain because Captain Marvel's sequel requires you to watch ONE extra show that's literally called Ms. Marvel, which you can watch at any time in the comfort of your house however you want thanks to streaming services.
i guess they'll shit themselves when g.i. joe and transformers exist in the same movies
When they introduced Disney+ Kevin said that one didn’t need to watch the tv shows to understand the movies and yeah maybe you can but it will be quite weird for people to watch MoM and having to ask themselves why Wanda suddenly has kids
Lol watching that film in a vacuum, you literally understand that Wanda DOESN'T have kids. They explicitly say something to the effect of "you don't have children" in the script.
_Why she think she does have kids_ is potentially a hazard, but at that point, the film explains there is another Wanda in the multiverse that DOES have children, and that because we see her attempt to take over her life, the film is essentially self-contained.
WandaVision: Wanda, out of grief, creates a bubble reality where she lives out a false life with her dead husband, and they have kids.
MOM: Wanda gets the Darkhold, becomes corrupt, tries to take over her multiversal self.
I feel like we all watched different movies.
Having not watched Wandavision I can assure you that I understood MoM….. but to be fair I did have a base level understanding of what WandaVision was about, simply from being on social media/consuming MCU related UA-cam content. If you managed to go into MoM with zero knowledge of WandaVision (and honestly all you needed to know was that she created kids for herself that no longer exist in the main reality) then I am honestly impressed. That takes some skill in this day and age.
@@Th3Birdman All i am saying is it CAN lead to a lot of confusion
And you know what clears that irrelevant bit of confusion?
Watching the show.
@@Carlo_ReNews
So you came to a video you don't agree with and are trying to argue your point despite that
Wow
The “uuGhh it feels like homework peOpLe dON’t hAvE the timEe” (for watching a show) argument always baffles me, in this day and age where you can literally watch it ANY time you want
This is something that always ticks me off, not just with the MCU but with movies and media in general. Bruh, no one is forcing you to watch these properties, you can easily choose just not to watch/buy a ticket and do something else. But no, they got to watch then make long ass UA-cam videos or long twitter threads about how much this property sucks and why the cinema is dead or whatever. And a lot of times their complaints or at least how they are presented tell me more about the person than the movie they're talking about, like all those people spouting M-She-U ugh...
Honestly at this stage I'm more worried about trying to catch up and what's worth watching - Obviously I want to watch the movies, but I'm not sure which shows are worth sitting down and watching at this stage.
I haven't seen anything post... Love and Thunder? I have a lot of catch up, haha.
Humans trying to use more than 2 IQ cells challange. (Impossible)
What helps make the MCU work is that pretty much all the films explain just enough so that you don't really need to watch previous media. For example, I didn't watch the first Dr. Strange movie until just before MOM came out and yet I was able to understand his scenes in Thor Ragnorak, Infinity War, and No Way Home just fine. I didn't watch The Incredible Hulk or Iron Man 2 (and still haven't) but I was able to watch the first Avengers movie when it came out and understand it just fine.
It’s required to watch if you don’t want to miss anything/just want more info, but I bet you’ll get a short summary of what’s what in the movie…
Isn't this the shit that we've been asking for since Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.? We were constanly on Marvel's ass for not acknowledging any of the pre-Disney+ shows in the films. Now that Marvel is finally making shows that DO directly connect to/lead into the films (even bringing back old TV characters like Daredevil and Kingpin into the fold), it's a problem? It's a cinematic universe; people are complaining that Marvel is doing what they've always done since 2008! 🤦🏽♂
Thank you fam.
I have a Theory i call the MCU Theory.
"When a Hater wants Hate something as much as they want to Hate it and not seem Irrational in doing so, but the Material of Hate is not that Hate worthy, they resort to create Problems non existent in the Material to create Hate"
When your normal CriticalDrinkers and Nerderotics cannot Hate on all of the MCU for Bad CGI and Subpar writing of one or two shows they resort to blanket bombing all of it with excuses like these, with one of more basic things being the M-She-U argument which falls apart at the first instance of Honest Scrutiny
Well said. These days, Those Critics have nothing better to do than lie about everything and take things out of context.
@erosion271 The persons he called, Critical Drinker and Nerdrotic, they're actually bad critics.
You don't have to have any reasons not to like a show, fine and good. No one's complaining.
However.... Saying shit that isn't related to the issues a movie might have, that's dedication of a certain degree.
These days it pays extra cash to hate on every marvel project even before they come out.
It happened so many times, Shang Chi, She Hulk, Ms. Marvel and the others.
No one is saving you have an agenda if you dislike a certain genre. For example, I dislike teen dramas, I don't have specific reasons that are detailed, but teen dramas are mostly stereotyped and cliché, so yeah. Some small reasons.
However. If I start inventing fictional narratives about teen dramas just to hate on it, that's another level of problematic discourse.
i have a theory as well. you just spit some facts and called it theory because you are one humble mf
@@barisbal7782 lol.
@@Steve-yn3cs👏🏿👏🏿
4:36 people consider it more work because the series are longer than 1 movie. What the experience is like doesn't matter when they don't have the time for it.
It's different from reading the comics because unlike a book, shows and movies have a fixed minimum amount of time that you can finish it
My thing is these are people that definitely DO have "time" because they're watching other shows as well. If they truly cared like they pretend they do, they'd make the time. I mean, they got all the time to be on the internet complaining and making videos talking about this, so they clearly got some time.
And WandaVision is 5 months away from being three years old now-- they didn't have time to watch 9 thirty minute episodes in 3 years? Nah, I don't find this compelling. If they wanted to watch, they would have.
‘I don’t have time for this’ now excuse me as I go watch my sports games that have 3 hour time slots on television, multiple times a year, and in some sports, culminating in a best of 7 series that will also take numerous hours
Speaking from my personal standpoint, I've always been aware of the MCU being connected. I watched damn near every movie leading up to Endgame with the one exception being the Iron Man movies. I also was able to understand the Phase 4 movies without having watched most of the shows. My problem with the shows is that there's a SIGNIFICANTLY less amount of quality control. There are some decent ones like Hawkeye and Loki, but the rest are either mid like Falcon and the Winter Soldier and Moon Knight or too painful to get past the first episode like WandaVision and She-Hulk. Not to mention, most of the MCU movies only last about 2 hours long; whereas an episode of any one of the shows will last 45 minutes at a minimum with 6-8 of them in tow. I'm sure that if I wanted to see The Marvels I wouldn't need to watch Ms. Marvel, but that doesn't change the fact that Ms. Marvel doesn't interest me and The Marvels looks like a piece of shit. If the shows were at least on a similar level of quality to the movies, then fine. I'll gladly watch them. In fact, that was my mindset when they first started out, but now, with their highest quality being mediocre, I've lost a lot of motivation to watch them.
Crazy that you even had to make a video like this, thanks for speaking truth out here ❤
No literally, people who always complain about having to catch up on shows and movies don’t realize that it’s not for them. If you don’t wanna watch all of them then don’t, but don’t go feeling left out when a big movie comes out and you don’t know what’s happening
I watched Spiderman No Way Home and got emotional. Then I watched your reaction video getting emotional and got emotional. It's high art when it can solicit emotion. Credit to Marissa and Tom. Big fan for years. Thx for your work Th3Birdman
I had Mt birthday yesterday, had some mates round that hadn't seen guardians 3 yet, 1 hadn't seen any marvel film yet, gave him the most basic sum up of the characters and gamoras situation and then he just watched it, he enjoyed it as a stand alone film and started to understand the world more whilst watching, hes just not been a super hero fan but now he's gona watch the first 2 as guardians us quite different to stuff like avengers in the best way
I mostly agree. But... when I was younger, even though I was perfectly capable of understanding a series of books from later into the series, I just... really needed to start with the first book and run in sequence without missing any. My brother couldn't understand it because it wasn't that I couldn't do it just... later I'd justify it by saying that you only get one first read of a book and it won't be as good if you already know from reading book 3 before book 2 who survives and the important plot points. This is true, but also not why I *still* wouldn't feel comfortable starting with book three of a never-ending saga. I didn't watch all the MCU films but enjoyed the main story ones, and Agents of Shield was fun but never really tied back into the movies. I think what I'm trying to say is that yes some people have trouble not seeing things in order and the MCU being a tree doesn't help them, but also people are used these days not to accepting their own foibles but to insisting that what causes them a minor problem is other people's, in this case the MCU's fault. Yup, these are people the 'must watch it all' marketing is targeted at so yes they have a point, but also... no. If you're the kind of person who has trouble leaving an untidy mess of shopping trolleys untidied, that's not the fault of the supermarket... entirely. If you have problems with the idea you might miss some tiny nuance in the movie, that's for you to solve (check plot summaries or reviews) it's not what's wrong with the MCU. (That would be both a lack of originality and a depressing inability to understand what parts of the movies you're trying to smush into the phase 4s were actually the good bits that drew people in to start with)
The “Hulk not lifting Mjolnir” confusion is a good example, however: How many people have I come across who had indeed seen the first Thor movie be utterly bewildered that Thanos could “be worthy” of holding Stormbreaker in Endgame? (Answer: WAY more people than I care to count).
People in general are not smart and make society’s bell curve lump towards the low end of the spectrum. Even when they see all the movies in any trilogy (or even a longer series like the James Bond movies) they get confused when bits of informations arcs back to something in any of the previous ones. Heck! I’ve sat for movies with people who just could not get into a purely stand alone movie because they were so befuddled by elements of it which the storytellers clearly wanted to let the audience try to figure it out for themselves before revealing to reason or solution later on in the movie that they just keep complaining that they don’t understand “who that guy is?”, “what are they doing?”, “why did he kill him?”, “why is everyone (in the theatre) gasping at what happened?”, “Why won’t you explain it to me!?” (You are not always suppose to understand everything in the movie from the get go, people: Give the movie time to explain it before you complain or demand answers! -Or don’t watch movies then if you can’t be patient enough)
People like that are the reason why dumb movies with nonsensical action scenes get made: Because they don’t care if a car is converted to fly to the moon on the power of “family”, so long as the plot is as simple to follow as an episode of the Care Bears, they are gleefully happy to have sat down for two and a half hour without having once had to use a single neurone to figure out anything while things were going “Pew-Pew!.. Kablooey!” on the screen. (It’s realizations like that that makes one think that perhaps our ancestors who built the pyramids actually were more intelligent than us and that is why society is devolving towards its own extinction)
It's like saying star wars shouldn't have so many shows, novels and comics and such. It's because of those other products the universe is able to expand and feel like a real world that people inhabit.
Always love the extra insight from you. Sometimes I feel big brained and then am reminded I can learn so much more nerd stuff out there.😊
I bet those are the same people who were like, "Who are these two other guys?" in No Way Home when Tobey and Andrew came in; also IDC if I have to watch a show or not I'll watch the movie and if I like the character watch the show after like I did with Multiverse of Madness and Wandavision, and also with Loki and Quantamania
“Infinity War & Endgame suck because you need to watch 21 other movies before them to fully understand all the characters”. That’s legit the same argument they complaining about but I’ve never heard any criticism like that about those movies before.
Very much willful ignorance, agreed.
And I'm gonna be THAT bih and point out that this didn't seem like such an issue until the female-led MCU film trailer was dropped (albeit, in all its slightly cringy glory😅), because where was this complaint with _WandaVision_ and _What If?_ being prerequisites for _Multiverse of Madness_ or the _Loki_ show for Kang's introductory background in _Quantum Mania?_
Honestly, I'd respect those people more if they just admitted that they no longer feel like investing a(nother) decade or more into following the MCU like the theatrical version of a multi-title comic book crossover event that it's been since 2008. If you're burned out or bored, that's fine.
But these ridiculously disingenuous "criticisms" feigning surprise at this marketing strategy _when we're _*_15 YEARS_*_ into it at this point,_ won't be tolerated without bluntly calling a re•tard a re•tard😌🤷🏾♀️
I don’t think it’s fair to expect people to watch certain shows just to understand a movie. Like if you’re interested in some characters but uninterested with others, I think it’s fair to not watch the shows and stuff. However I agree with birdman that I don’t think it’s even necessary to watch all these shows to understand the movie.
I think the problem for some people is that you need to watch an entire show with 6 episodes compared to a two hour movie. I guess that can be a little annoying but i like the content having more time.
That's the point-- you don't NEED to watch anything!
Where is this NEED???
@@Th3BirdmanSorry I said that wrong. I meant that they think they need to watch it to understand when they really don't. My bad.
I have a crap memory I keep forgetting to watch the each mcu shows new episodes every week and when I do remember it’s like 2 am and I just say “I’ll watch the new episodes in the morning” and then forget when I wake up lmao
Eventually, I end up just watching the rest of the whole show two weeks after it ended
Brian singer 2000s,/2003 2006/2011/2014/ x men movies same raimi 2002/2004/2007 spiderman Eric bane 2003 hulk movie are better then the 2020s of woke marvel movies
As usual, you right!!
I am so sorry for the late comment Birdman but finally there’s someone in the world who actually understands that this is what the MCU had done in the past by being an interconnected universe which is what made it successful in the first place. Clearly a lot of ppl forgot about the purpose of the MCU. Now they’re jus like “The MCU isn’t that all great anymore. It’s convoluted and unnecessary to continue. I don’t care about the MCU anymore.”
They’re such hypocrites and care enough to even talk about it. You also made a great point about ppl’s Fomo cuz all they wanna do is complain about being “forced” to watch 3 Disney+ exclusive shows prior to an upcoming movie. I find it rewarding that Marvel is actually expanding their universe with these TV shows especially since it’s relatively expensive to see their movies in theaters in Chicago. But aside from that, keep up the great work man 👊🏽❤️🔥
People are shitting on this movie saying its bad before its even out. I dont really like her at all but brie larson act better in the trailers for this one than the intirety of the first one. But of course people dismiss the whole thinh because they see her face. Hey the movie might as well be horrible. But it isnt out yet for us to know that
All I gotta say is thank you Birdman. I hope you see this comment cuz this is the type of video that makes me wanna reach through the screen and have a chill conversation with the creator about our thoughts lol. You summed up my thoughts perfectly and I hope this becomes more of a trend of calling people out on this. Great vid!
That’s the price for one ticket here 💀💀
Bro wait until these people learn that James Gunn intends to do the same with DC 😂
Almost no movie requires watching something before it. Enrichment vs Requirement. Watching Iron Man is not required to watch the Avengers, but it enriches the experience with the character. Hell, watching Guardians of the Galaxy 2 doesn’t require GotG 1, but it greatly enriched the experience. Personally, I have many other reasons why I’m not excited for The Marvels
This is why I’m worried about the dcu they said you won’t need to watch older movies to understand new movies which is wired how do you make a connected universe where past movies aren’t mentioned
Not to mention, the whole universe thing reflects the comics quite well.... lots of popular characters like Wolverine made their debuts in story lines that were not there's
my issue is the fact none of the media of the MCU doesn't address Ego's weird expansion that happened, or the fact a dead celestial is poking out of the earth, or the fact a living Celestial appeared over the Earth
The world seems to be more worried about She-Hulk's booty then the actual legit threat of celestial corpse that is poking out of the earth
funny how you chose to throw shades at the one show who actually pointed out celestial head ua-cam.com/video/-4Aj4L0J2mA/v-deo.html
but more importantly, why is it the other medias' job to address them exactly ? yes, we focused at she hulk's ass. but we didnt do that in anywhere other than her own show.
for the same damn reason people gave age of ultron fresh shit. because supposedly it focused too much on the past and the future projects, it forgot to be its own story.
The problem is right now because of so much content. Most of it is hit or miss, GoG 3 was fun. But the Disney plus shows for me our bad enough that it disconnects me from the whole Universe until something worth while pops up. In that case I'll just watch a UA-cam recap and call it fair.
The only legit annoyance I have with the MCU is how spoiler-prone it is and how Disney+ releases episodes weekly
Not to mention about 4-5 years ago people were complaining about shows NOT being connected
The "I have a life and a job" argument doesnt work with these people either, cause it's those same people who binge 12 season shows 20 times in a row and then say "I don't have time for all these shows", when its 40 mins once a week. How do they expect to see a 2 and a half hour movie then? Oh? Conveniently now that the movie is out they have time? What a coincidence.
If people think the MCU is too much to keep up with despite all their shows and movies being under one umbrella, I challenge them to go back to the beginning of the Kingdom Hearts series and follow the story across alllll the gaming platforms it’s been on.
It’s a difficult valence to get, if you don’t need to watch the shows and other movies to understand the characters, people will ask “what’s even the point of watching them?” And you do need to watch them to understand the character, that’s going to annoy people that only wanted to see the one movie.
Bro, this rings even more true having read a recent Doctor Strange comic.
SPOILERS for those who haven't read it
.
.
.
.
.
.
The comic catches up newcomers by letting them know Strange died and somehow came back, and that other heroes have dealt with some things in his absence, like Clea became Earth's Sorcerer Supreme in his wake, there was a magic division of S.H.I.E.L.D. called W.A.N.D., Spider-Man lost his soul to a demon running a three-card monte game, and Dr. Doom tried taking the mantle of Sorcerer Supreme after Strange died.
I didn't need to see this happen in previous issues, as the comic itself caught me up. The MCU is essentially like the comics in how the film will catch you up to speed for that particular story, which makes them more self-contained.
(This new Doctor Strange issue is actually pretty cool, not gonna lie. I just love how lived-in this universe feels.) I will remind you, this is a new series in 2023, and if recent Marvel comics are like this, that's pretty much how the movies will play out, which they already have.
Uncle Kevin Spoilers tried to warn us, it's all connected.
It's all connected...
I’m more disappointed that Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is technically not considered part of the MCU anymore than I am about anything related to any of the Disney Plus shows.
I can’t play World of Warcraft because I never played The Lost Vikings.
That’s how stupid the “I have to watch every show to understand the new movie!” argument is.
This argument has always annoyed me lol. Guys, it's movies and TV shows that are all interconnected. If you don't wanna keep up with that, that's fine! But don't complain about what it inherently is and has always been, and what it was MEANT TO BE. I'm currently behind on the MCU and need to catch up before it gets too far...and I'm not mad about that. I want to watch everything, only reason I haven't is because life has been crazy and I fell behind. But that's not a BAD thing, and I enjoy the connected universe aspect of this. And as you said, you don't actually need to watch everything. I just want to because I like it. Anyone who isn't into it should just admit this isn't their thing and leave lol
people want it both ways lmao, if it is, then it shouldnt, if it isnt, then it should
I like this new Birdman. He's like old birdman...but plus.
Thank you for thus, Birdman! I'm glad someone with a platform said it. It irks me too.
For example, Sean Chandler in his reaction to the new The Marvels trailer said, "It seems like a movie where there's homework the audience needs to do in order to understand the film. Where you go, 'I didn't watch Ms Marvel. Maybe this movie's not for me.'"
Like, the MCU has been interconnected from the beginning. If you missed any movie up to Endgame, you'd be confused and missing pertinent information. Was watching all those movies during that time period "homework"?
That'd be like complaining and calling it "homework" because you have to read all the books or see all the movies in the Harry Potter series so as to not be lost on certain things when you get to Deathly Hallows. Every movie and show in the MCU is a chapter or a book in the series of the overall story. People are dumb and make bad arguments.
I find it funny that one of the superhero fatigue people was a ROM Spaceknight fan, considering he’s in TWO shared comic universes (Marvel and Hasbro)