For what it's worth, Gaiman's elevator pitch for the series is, apparently, along the lines of: "The God of Dreams learns that he must change or die... and decides."
When you first started mentioning Sandman in your reviews, I had no idea what you were referring to. This retrospective was the first time I learned literally anything about the character and this comic.
“Where is the Endless for when you’re just sitting on your couch doing nothing?” Ah, the unmentioned Endless: Detachment…. Edit:alternatively could be referred to as Discontent or Disinterest.
Despair. Despair is about that. Remember the Endless are also their opposite. So Despair would also be apathy. Alternatively it would be Delirium. Or maybe Desire if you consider apathy or temperance a part of that.
I barely knew anything of Sandman beyond its influence on the industry, so this was a great, fun and enlightening learning experience on the original run.
Same. Linkara has taught me a lot about the DC and Marvel universe I didn't know because I've only watched some TV shows and a few movies here and there.
14:20 The cast for the adio book is really good and filled to the brim with famous actors, with Neil gaiman playing the narrator, James Mcavoy as Dream, David tennant as Loki, Michael Sheen as lucifer, Jeffrey wright as Destiny and even Bill Nighy as Odin
@Linkara in the UK a fair few pubs have remained as pubs for centuries, one i frequent, ye old man and scythe, has existed in various forms since before 1250 and i can wholeheartedly recommend for a visit
Daniel is still kicking around the Divine Continuum, being a partial driving force behind the recent Constantine special series "Dead in America". Honestly surprised he didn't show up in Knight Terrors, but some elements from Sandman and other DC comics since (the Dreamstones, for instance) did play a role. And in news of the OG Sandman kind, Wesley Dodd, along with other JSA stalwarts like Jay Garrick and Alan Scott, have gotten limited series that explore parts of their past (in Jay's case, retconning in a lost daughter for him as a result of the Stargirl story "The Lost Children; no points for guessing who was responsible for that story). In multiple aspects, the Sandman is truly among the Endless.
So about the eyes, there actually is ONE scene in the Netflix's version where Mropheus has the glowing eyes. It's where he enters Alex's dream. It's short and a bit subtle, but it IS there.
Fun Fact, when designing the Eldest, gods of Pathfinder's fae realm, James Jacobs drew inspiration from Morpheus to create The Lost Prince: a god of loss and solitude. The Lost Prince is stated to be the only Eldest from somewhere besides the First World, and Jacobs said in an AMA that his headcanon had Morpheus arriving there after the events of Issue 69.
I always read it as Morpheus knew what was going to happen to him the moment Bast told him to find an Oracle. That shock on his face could be because he knows Orpheus will die, but it could also be the entire ramifications of that meeting hitting him at once. But I’ve also noticed something today. We know that Morpheus’ story is “he must learn to change, or die” but the idea of change with ALL The Endless plays into the ending. Death itself is the ultimate change. So Death’s demeanor in always adapting to the times, and excepting it with a smile makes sense. Change isn’t something to fear. Destiny is, however you read it, the opposite of change. For something to change, he would not know it, he can’t change, nothing can ever change if you know its entire cycle. Destruction is the change of creation, but vice versa, out of Destruction new things are created, so he chooses to change himself to that. A creator. But why do I think Morpheus couldn’t change specifically? Because he’s also The Prince of Stories. To not change was his story, and whether he was aware of it or not, (I like to think he was in some way) when a story is over, it’s over. I could dig into this forever.
Ok so I just recently rewatched the Netflix series and I actually like how they handled the Magus in there compared to the comics in terms of his motivation. The Magus wanted to capture death not so he could become immortal...but so he could bring his dead son back to life. I find that to be much more compelling than wanting to live forever.
This was an interesting watch after Daniel showed up in Dark Nights Metal (Same goes for Morpheus appearing as the Golden Age Sandman during Stanley & His Monster)
Yeah.....honestly maybe it's because I like history too much (and there's a roman emperor named Constantine), but I also perfer it pronounced Teen instead of sounding like Fine with a t instead of an F. It just sounds.....wrong and i'm not sure why. It fits with how He's supposed to be of British origin so his name name should be pronounced the way the British pronounce it, but I definitely will be calling him by the way I prefer over the actual pronunciation of it.
So I’m listening to the Audible version of the Sandman and I totally get why 24 Hours was censored for UA-cam. Like, holy crap, that was disturbing! UA-cam would’ve nuked you from orbit. D8
11:00 they're also the opposite. Dream is also reality, Despair is also hope (in fact in one comic Despair claims credit for Krypton being destroyed _and_ the creation of Superman), Death is also life, Desire is also temperance or maybe apathy or maybe both. Destruction is the one who really goes out of his way to stretch the limits in this direction by actively trying to create whenever possible. 1:08:50 if the Zoomers and Alphas are to be believed in certain circumstances it actually is trendy now. 1:39:23 funny enough Edison is a Shinto god now. Which I personally find annoying. 1:48:30 correction it's "THESE UNITED STATES AND PROTECTOR OF MEXICO!" the capslock is most defs necessary. 2:21:20 I like how he was voiced by the Joker in the show.
I think Unity Kincaid is one of the very few examples of how to properly include r@p3 in a comic story. The act itself isn't used for ridiculous over-the-top drama or to senslessly make Kincaid a victim or force her through some sort of traumatic character growth. Rather it's used as a legitimate and important plot point for a multitude of reasons which couldn't have existed without the inclusion of the r@p3 happening.
1:20:00 - I said it in the original video's comment section, but knowing where Gaiman leans politically it comes off to me as more of a critique of Thatcherism and its policies to the disabled. At the time (and to an extent even now) many disabled people struggle to get the support they need. While it is changing, its often still not enough - and its made more complicated by aspects which shouldn't need to exist.
Sandman is such a interesting series that has a great beginning and very sad ending 😢but damn it’s such a great series and universe that I would love to see more sandman in the dc universe but that’s just my opinion.
Considering how many spin-offs this series has had, maybe the Rose Walker parts by the end were supposed to tie into her own series that didn't happen.
Thanks for doing such a great job on this retrospective it’s a very great video to show people who are curious about the sandman comic. Ps You would enjoyed the sandman audio drama but only the first part and half of second part because of the horror focus it does focus more on the comic storyline rather than the Netflix take on the story.
Random question: what was the name of that Patreon review Linkara did years ago with the Swiss superheroine that is hired into the American hero organization, who looks like Power Girl?
Just my two cents about A Game Of You as a trans woman (though obviously my opinions aren't universal), I found Wanda's ending oddly moving. I have a really supporting family compared to some others, and yet I still have a lot of anxiety over what name I'd be buried under if I do die prematurely. But to have Wanda's friend symbolically do what should have been done in the first place and acknowledge Wanda's name and womanhood in death, and then to see despite Wanda's family having dressed her as a man, kind of their attempt to erase her and pretend who she was was who they wanted her to be, despite her body being warped back into something that caused her pain in life, despite all of that, we see in the afterlife Wanda looks like her ideal self. The version of herself she saw in her dreams, her square jaw and any other feature that probably caused her dysphoria in life not exactly erased, but softened and less exaggerated, both the artist and her own mind no longer exaggerating them because her mind is no longer troubled by the confines of a body that doesn't quite fit. To do that kind of helps my anxiety about that possibility, because it shows that those who actually cared about me will know who I was, and a bit of cold stone and some meat that is no longer me doesn't define my existence. And when a lot of studios today just throw a trans character in the background for brownie points and never do anything with them, this kind of representation, from a 90s dc comic no less, that acknowledges the reality of our existence, the good and the bad, the wonderful and the heartbreaking, and then goes one step farther to say "you are still deserving of the closest thing to a happy ending in this book" is pretty powerful to me
I admit, I’m not the biggest fan of cats, I’m a straight-up dog guy, but “A Dream of a Thousand Cats” makes me very sad more than anything. When I first read it a few years back, I was literally weeping at what that poor cat prophet went through. No creature, human or animal, should have to go through that.
Dear Linkara, I dare you to do this to the HoPR, doing one video each of the Saban, Disney, Neo-Saban, and Hasbro eras. Actually please don't, if you did I'd be tempted to take the week off it would take to rewatch them all!
I maintain that Sandman not involving himself more in the Dark Nights Metal/Death Metal events is bullshit, since the dark batmen are all glorified nightmares, and Dream should be able to smack them around as easily as he could Freddy Kreuger.
I read the 1. volume of Sandman and really liked it. I couldn't finish the 2. cause it was just too dark for my life. this retrospect is one of my favorites of yorwork. I think you should be really proud.
Not bad i personally liked the comics over the netflix version. And i don´t care weather or not Gaiman was involved or not, and this was his vision. What i want to see is the comic made into a movie, NOT whatever current year Gaiman is thinking. There´s just to much of the Netflix version that doesn´t match the comic or make sense. One thing is Roderick Burgess death. it is well established in the comic, that when you die, death of the Endless shows up and helps sending your soul to the afterlife. She does so more or less immediately as you die, not days or weeks later, at the moment of death. So when Roderick Burgess died in front of Morpheus, his sister Death should have shown up infront of him. Second is the whole Morpheus battling Lucifer for his helmet. First of Hell is a triumphant meaning Lucifer doesn´t rule it by himself at that point in time. Second it wasn´t even Lucifer that stole the helmet to begin with, but i minor demon that traded himself to it. So it would fit that it would be that demon (like in the comic) that Morpheus battled. Otherwise it would a bit like okay i travel to America get robbed by some criminal and when the criminal is found, i have to go to court to get my justice. However the man i am going up against isn´t the criminal but the current USA president... In what world would that make sense?
This is a compilation video of four episodes I did last year - not a regular episode. It's not going to necessarily get the same amount of views as the individual videos (which in this case, parts 2-4 have about 30,000 views, the first part 68,000). And even then, views can be a crapshoot depending on the subject matter ranging from 15,000 to 60,000 (with the higher end usually when it's something Batman related or the like). For instance, the Marvel vs. DC review from a week or two ago is currently at 40,000 while the video I just put out - a review of a Mr. T comic - is at 8,600. How many views do you THINK I used to get?
You are certainly free to feel that way, but I have to deal with trolls and my unpaid mods have to handle a lot of people already within it and limiting access in some way helps.
And oh funny story the game company SNK (they don’t have patreon) so they made the access to entry you have to select a role first and then you can use the chat
@@AT4W also one suggestion for atop the fourth wall is “the adventure of captain underpants” known how superheroes run around with their underwear outside their pants the titular captain underpants runs around in just his underwear and a cape I paraphrased that synopsis from the movie it’s real look it up……………..tra la laaaaaa it how I got interested in superheroes
ABOUT DAMN TIME I've been binging your compilations and the recommends keeps trying to get me to rewatch the sandman retrospective In parts Again Like some kind of peasant
For what it's worth, Gaiman's elevator pitch for the series is, apparently, along the lines of: "The God of Dreams learns that he must change or die... and decides."
I've rewatched this whole series like eight times so im glad to see it in one big video for future rewatches
I have listened to it several times too, and I knew it was just a matter of time
When you first started mentioning Sandman in your reviews, I had no idea what you were referring to. This retrospective was the first time I learned literally anything about the character and this comic.
“Where is the Endless for when you’re just sitting on your couch doing nothing?” Ah, the unmentioned Endless: Detachment….
Edit:alternatively could be referred to as Discontent or Disinterest.
Possibly depression?
dissociation
Despair. Despair is about that. Remember the Endless are also their opposite. So Despair would also be apathy. Alternatively it would be Delirium. Or maybe Desire if you consider apathy or temperance a part of that.
I barely knew anything of Sandman beyond its influence on the industry, so this was a great, fun and enlightening learning experience on the original run.
Same. Linkara has taught me a lot about the DC and Marvel universe I didn't know because I've only watched some TV shows and a few movies here and there.
14:20 The cast for the adio book is really good and filled to the brim with famous actors, with Neil gaiman playing the narrator, James Mcavoy as Dream, David tennant as Loki, Michael Sheen as lucifer, Jeffrey wright as Destiny and even Bill Nighy as Odin
McAvoy gives such a good performance, it just makes Sturridge pale in comparison
Damn I need to give that a listen to
Just finished rewatching this a few days ago.
Ah well, once more into the breach!
@Linkara in the UK a fair few pubs have remained as pubs for centuries, one i frequent, ye old man and scythe, has existed in various forms since before 1250 and i can wholeheartedly recommend for a visit
I loved reading Sandman collections for the past few months, and it's super interesting for me to see them in their original color. Thanks, Linkara!
Linkara decided to bless us with a 4hr video. I’m here for it 😊 😊
I’ve been waiting for this I love it when linkara does the compilation videos I even have it on a playlist to help me sleep
Daniel is still kicking around the Divine Continuum, being a partial driving force behind the recent Constantine special series "Dead in America".
Honestly surprised he didn't show up in Knight Terrors, but some elements from Sandman and other DC comics since (the Dreamstones, for instance) did play a role.
And in news of the OG Sandman kind, Wesley Dodd, along with other JSA stalwarts like Jay Garrick and Alan Scott, have gotten limited series that explore parts of their past (in Jay's case, retconning in a lost daughter for him as a result of the Stargirl story "The Lost Children; no points for guessing who was responsible for that story). In multiple aspects, the Sandman is truly among the Endless.
Oh one series that you should put on your to do list for reviews is the 2018 exiles
So about the eyes, there actually is ONE scene in the Netflix's version where Mropheus has the glowing eyes. It's where he enters Alex's dream. It's short and a bit subtle, but it IS there.
Fun Fact, when designing the Eldest, gods of Pathfinder's fae realm, James Jacobs drew inspiration from Morpheus to create The Lost Prince: a god of loss and solitude. The Lost Prince is stated to be the only Eldest from somewhere besides the First World, and Jacobs said in an AMA that his headcanon had Morpheus arriving there after the events of Issue 69.
I always read it as Morpheus knew what was going to happen to him the moment Bast told him to find an Oracle. That shock on his face could be because he knows Orpheus will die, but it could also be the entire ramifications of that meeting hitting him at once.
But I’ve also noticed something today. We know that Morpheus’ story is “he must learn to change, or die” but the idea of change with ALL The Endless plays into the ending.
Death itself is the ultimate change. So Death’s demeanor in always adapting to the times, and excepting it with a smile makes sense. Change isn’t something to fear.
Destiny is, however you read it, the opposite of change. For something to change, he would not know it, he can’t change, nothing can ever change if you know its entire cycle.
Destruction is the change of creation, but vice versa, out of Destruction new things are created, so he chooses to change himself to that. A creator.
But why do I think Morpheus couldn’t change specifically? Because he’s also The Prince of Stories. To not change was his story, and whether he was aware of it or not, (I like to think he was in some way) when a story is over, it’s over.
I could dig into this forever.
Great retrospective on sandman its really great. :)
Ok so I just recently rewatched the Netflix series and I actually like how they handled the Magus in there compared to the comics in terms of his motivation. The Magus wanted to capture death not so he could become immortal...but so he could bring his dead son back to life. I find that to be much more compelling than wanting to live forever.
This was an interesting watch after Daniel showed up in Dark Nights Metal (Same goes for Morpheus appearing as the Golden Age Sandman during Stanley & His Monster)
Yeah.....honestly maybe it's because I like history too much (and there's a roman emperor named Constantine), but I also perfer it pronounced Teen instead of sounding like Fine with a t instead of an F. It just sounds.....wrong and i'm not sure why. It fits with how He's supposed to be of British origin so his name name should be pronounced the way the British pronounce it, but I definitely will be calling him by the way I prefer over the actual pronunciation of it.
Thanks to this retrospective, i went outta my way to pick up the first volume of the sandman books. Definitely wanna pick up the rest.
So I’m listening to the Audible version of the Sandman and I totally get why 24 Hours was censored for UA-cam. Like, holy crap, that was disturbing! UA-cam would’ve nuked you from orbit. D8
Mr Sandman, read me a dream
11:00 they're also the opposite. Dream is also reality, Despair is also hope (in fact in one comic Despair claims credit for Krypton being destroyed _and_ the creation of Superman), Death is also life, Desire is also temperance or maybe apathy or maybe both. Destruction is the one who really goes out of his way to stretch the limits in this direction by actively trying to create whenever possible.
1:08:50 if the Zoomers and Alphas are to be believed in certain circumstances it actually is trendy now.
1:39:23 funny enough Edison is a Shinto god now. Which I personally find annoying.
1:48:30 correction it's "THESE UNITED STATES AND PROTECTOR OF MEXICO!" the capslock is most defs necessary.
2:21:20 I like how he was voiced by the Joker in the show.
I think Unity Kincaid is one of the very few examples of how to properly include r@p3 in a comic story. The act itself isn't used for ridiculous over-the-top drama or to senslessly make Kincaid a victim or force her through some sort of traumatic character growth. Rather it's used as a legitimate and important plot point for a multitude of reasons which couldn't have existed without the inclusion of the r@p3 happening.
I think silver Surfer is what we in America would call tv cable antennas or rabbit ears depending on where you are from
I was rewatching the Sandman retrospective videos and suddenly you read my mind when you put out a All in one Sandman retrospective video.
1:20:00 - I said it in the original video's comment section, but knowing where Gaiman leans politically it comes off to me as more of a critique of Thatcherism and its policies to the disabled. At the time (and to an extent even now) many disabled people struggle to get the support they need. While it is changing, its often still not enough - and its made more complicated by aspects which shouldn't need to exist.
Sandman is such a interesting series that has a great beginning and very sad ending 😢but damn it’s such a great series and universe that I would love to see more sandman in the dc universe but that’s just my opinion.
Considering how many spin-offs this series has had, maybe the Rose Walker parts by the end were supposed to tie into her own series that didn't happen.
Thanks for doing such a great job on this retrospective it’s a very great video to show people who are curious about the sandman comic. Ps You would enjoyed the sandman audio drama but only the first part and half of second part because of the horror focus it does focus more on the comic storyline rather than the Netflix take on the story.
linkara, oh do i have the perfect girl for you!
honestly would love to see a JSA retrospective
Random question: what was the name of that Patreon review Linkara did years ago with the Swiss superheroine that is hired into the American hero organization, who looks like Power Girl?
Little Victory, IIRC?
'Pst, shall we correct him on how 'Magdalene' is pronounced in the UK?'
Which version? Cambridge and Oxford each have a Magdalen(e) College, and both places are convinced the other pronounces it wrongly.
Just my two cents about A Game Of You as a trans woman (though obviously my opinions aren't universal), I found Wanda's ending oddly moving. I have a really supporting family compared to some others, and yet I still have a lot of anxiety over what name I'd be buried under if I do die prematurely.
But to have Wanda's friend symbolically do what should have been done in the first place and acknowledge Wanda's name and womanhood in death, and then to see despite Wanda's family having dressed her as a man, kind of their attempt to erase her and pretend who she was was who they wanted her to be, despite her body being warped back into something that caused her pain in life, despite all of that, we see in the afterlife Wanda looks like her ideal self. The version of herself she saw in her dreams, her square jaw and any other feature that probably caused her dysphoria in life not exactly erased, but softened and less exaggerated, both the artist and her own mind no longer exaggerating them because her mind is no longer troubled by the confines of a body that doesn't quite fit.
To do that kind of helps my anxiety about that possibility, because it shows that those who actually cared about me will know who I was, and a bit of cold stone and some meat that is no longer me doesn't define my existence.
And when a lot of studios today just throw a trans character in the background for brownie points and never do anything with them, this kind of representation, from a 90s dc comic no less, that acknowledges the reality of our existence, the good and the bad, the wonderful and the heartbreaking, and then goes one step farther to say "you are still deserving of the closest thing to a happy ending in this book" is pretty powerful to me
You've never dreamed up a story?
Oh 😮 this will be quite the lesson
I admit, I’m not the biggest fan of cats, I’m a straight-up dog guy, but “A Dream of a Thousand Cats” makes me very sad more than anything. When I first read it a few years back, I was literally weeping at what that poor cat prophet went through. No creature, human or animal, should have to go through that.
Great thanks to Linkara and Danny Malt for introducing so many people to The Sandman. Morpheus would probably appreciate it.
Dear Linkara,
I dare you to do this to the HoPR, doing one video each of the Saban, Disney, Neo-Saban, and Hasbro eras.
Actually please don't, if you did I'd be tempted to take the week off it would take to rewatch them all!
I maintain that Sandman not involving himself more in the Dark Nights Metal/Death Metal events is bullshit, since the dark batmen are all glorified nightmares, and Dream should be able to smack them around as easily as he could Freddy Kreuger.
It's morning time
I read the 1. volume of Sandman and really liked it. I couldn't finish the 2. cause it was just too dark for my life. this retrospect is one of my favorites of yorwork. I think you should be really proud.
Lewis, any thoughts on 'The Sandman: The Dream Hunters'?
Gotta say I really enjoyed these sandman reviews especially when it came to the very creative intros to them.
I loved the Audible Originals audio drama adaptation of the main series.
I like think morpheus return his realm and palace and start watch batman animation series or new show call the xfiles
This is awesome. I hope you cover all of the Sandman mythos, like mystery theater.
Not bad i personally liked the comics over the netflix version.
And i don´t care weather or not Gaiman was involved or not, and this was his vision.
What i want to see is the comic made into a movie, NOT whatever current year Gaiman is thinking.
There´s just to much of the Netflix version that doesn´t match the comic or make sense.
One thing is Roderick Burgess death.
it is well established in the comic, that when you die, death of the Endless shows up and helps sending your soul to the afterlife.
She does so more or less immediately as you die, not days or weeks later, at the moment of death.
So when Roderick Burgess died in front of Morpheus, his sister Death should have shown up infront of him.
Second is the whole Morpheus battling Lucifer for his helmet.
First of Hell is a triumphant meaning Lucifer doesn´t rule it by himself at that point in time.
Second it wasn´t even Lucifer that stole the helmet to begin with, but i minor demon that traded himself to it.
So it would fit that it would be that demon (like in the comic) that Morpheus battled.
Otherwise it would a bit like okay i travel to America get robbed by some criminal and when the criminal is found, i have to go to court to get my justice.
However the man i am going up against isn´t the criminal but the current USA president...
In what world would that make sense?
It's more like if Putin went to the US and got robbed, and rather than going up against the criminal, had to duel Donald Trump.
I agree about the McKean covers. Not my favorite.
I do so love it when you put all episodes of a retrospective into one, long ass video. How come you haven't done it with Exiles?
I did!
ua-cam.com/video/-oFbCoDtptE/v-deo.html
Is it weird that I'm very thankful that it's an all in one, and not another episode?
What? No inclusion of the "24 hours" review Moarte did on "Longbox of the Damned" years before this retrospective? I'm a little surprised.
Because this is a compilation of Atop the Fourth Wall episodes.
My intro sequence gets one last hurrah.
1:03:10 Hey, still better than Anime Matsuri.
Has this guy ever done the history of kingdom hearts?
No and I have never played a single game.
@AT4W oh cool you replied.
...do you want a headache on piecing the history together ?✌️😁
It's a rhetorical question you don't need to answer lol
It’s as complicated as an event comic
Has Weasley ever met with the Endless?
Hey Lewis, what happened to the audience?
What do you mean?
@@AT4W You used to get more views, did something happen with UA-cam's priority?
This is a compilation video of four episodes I did last year - not a regular episode. It's not going to necessarily get the same amount of views as the individual videos (which in this case, parts 2-4 have about 30,000 views, the first part 68,000). And even then, views can be a crapshoot depending on the subject matter ranging from 15,000 to 60,000 (with the higher end usually when it's something Batman related or the like). For instance, the Marvel vs. DC review from a week or two ago is currently at 40,000 while the video I just put out - a review of a Mr. T comic - is at 8,600. How many views do you THINK I used to get?
I don’t like people hiding their discord access behind a paywall finally got that off my chest
You are certainly free to feel that way, but I have to deal with trolls and my unpaid mods have to handle a lot of people already within it and limiting access in some way helps.
@@AT4W sorry that thought had been in the back of my head for half a year(give or take) and I needed to get it in the out in the open
And oh funny story the game company SNK (they don’t have patreon) so they made the access to entry you have to select a role first and then you can use the chat
@@AT4W also one suggestion for atop the fourth wall is “the adventure of captain underpants” known how superheroes run around with their underwear outside their pants the titular captain underpants runs around in just his underwear and a cape I paraphrased that synopsis from the movie it’s real look it up……………..tra la laaaaaa it how I got interested in superheroes
@@AT4W oh funny story for me I didn’t know how to use the snk discord chat before someone told me oops
Thank you.
The perfect retrospective for when people want to fall asleep. ^_^
ABOUT DAMN TIME
I've been binging your compilations and the recommends keeps trying to get me to rewatch the sandman retrospective
In parts
Again
Like some kind of peasant