Morathi is a very strange one for this list, whenever I have played her she is an absolute beast in melee and as a spellcaster. I find Alith Anar and Markus Wolfheart to be strange choices as well, they can both do a load of damage to single entities, killing them or making them flee before they can even get to your lines if you play it defensively, which in terms of balance of power value can be huge for you. List also seems weird, as for some lords he mentions their buffs to units, but for some doesn't seem to be taking that into account which it should be as it is part of battle. Wolfheart, for instance, makes an army of huntsmen into an OP doomstack when fully buffed. I'm pretty sure at this point he just adds a few that he knows are going to be controversial into these lists to encourage comments
Guys i think that you forget that that he has to put some on the list, ofc none of the legendary lords are bad, or even mid. He just have to choose someone, and i think his choices are great
Morathi sucks ass, have oyu ever played her? She gets daemonettes and can't even buff them... in the end she is jsut like a generic dark elf lord with 0 armor shit spells and meh melee potential....
Morathi seems like a rage bait pick. Comments are engagement which fuels the algorithm. I legitimately question Damneders skill at the game if he really puts Morathi as one of the worst combat LLs. She might not be the best duelist but she can wipe out armies. Throwing her into combat and dropping Pit of Shades is very effective.
Helman is incredibly powerful. He has mortis engine on his cart. Doesn't Fey Enchantress have that too? Tretch gives his entire army enhanced flanking. You seem to miss a lot of stuff.
I think he’s talking about the lord’s ability to directly fight. I agree Helman Ghorst is extremely powerful with his Mortis Engine and zombie buffs, but he’s weak in melee.
Like the other guy said i think he is getting at the lord just by themselves which is fair but i feel like all the lords on this list do 10x better with their army present with them.
Oh yes he does. It may sound rude, but Colonel Damneders gets so much stuff wrong. I was checking on here again if this changed over time cause his video ideas and narrating is kind of entertaining. But he is so utterly and dreadfully wrong so many times and not talking about minor stuff, but outright objectively terrible advice for newer players. Seems not much has changed, a little bit of a shame. Sometimes i'm wondering if he even played some of the things he talked about in MP or in Campaign longer than the first 10 turns. Wish he would put more effort in to the research about the topics.
Considering that a major complaint regarding Aranessa is how poorly she was implemented into the game, there's a reason why Pirates of Sartosa as a game mod exists.
I would argue that Markus Wolfhart is actually pretty dope because you really can't consider him as an individual lord without considering his retinue of heroes that he inevitably gets. If you're not using that group as a massive hero death star to buff your Hunters then you're doing it wrong. Together they make a HUGE difference on the battlefield.
Never had a problem as Morathi. Skarsnik and Tiktaqto, however, are melee lords that you dont want in melee because they get their behind kicked so easily
TikTaqTo takes skill to use, he's extremely mobile and he hits fast. If you use him like he's Imrik obviously he'll have a hard time. But if you take advantage of his DPS and mobility he can do serious damage with hit and run tactics and picking off key targets before the enemy player can react.
Khalida is my favorite Tomb King for some reason (I have no idea why) but she should be on the list. She’s allegedly a Duelist but gets bodied by basically any other Legendary Lord you try and have her square off against. She also doesn’t get the benefit of being able to ride a Khemrian War Sphinx like Setra or Arkhan.
Yeah she's my favourite TK lord to play too, but her buffing ranged units whilst having no ranged attack is weird. Like, do I want her at the back to buff, or in the front to fight? She has a unique mount, but so does Khatep and he doesn't have any confusion where on the battlefield he wants to be.
I just finished a Ghorst campaign. That man is monstrous. Without casting a single spell he gets between 10k and 100k damage and 100 to a 1000 kills. He's a combination of necromancer and mortis engine and thus way better then both. He won't duel Malus Darkblade but when levelled properly he can even hold his own on top of his crazy abilities. Is this some kind of "controversial on purpose"-videos to get engagement? If so, you won and hats off to you Sir
Zhatan literally carried me through battles in my campaign. He would easily kill the lord and heroes much quicker than any other chaos dawi lord I've used. He was devastating and basically won the final campaign battle for me himself
Not sure about 3, but I’ve played both Wulfhart and Alith Anar in 2, and the difference is night and day. Wulfhart couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn at 15 paces. Alith Anar is significantly more accurate, and the amount of damage he’s able to dish out before your lines meet is ridiculous. Now continuing to fire at smaller lords at that point is fairly pointless, but move him to the flank of the enemy army, and have him target the opposite end? Watch as his arrows take out dozens of enemies per shot. He’s like a highly mobile cannon, which makes it much easier to set up those devastating flanking shots
This list is by far one of the worst I've ever seen, like it's so wrong on nearly all accounts I suspect you might be trolling with these choices. First there's the confusion of whether you're talking about MP or SP? If you're talking about SP then Helman Ghorst sure as hell doesn't belong in this list as he's OP as **** as both a lord and as a faction. And if it's MP, then why the hell is MORATHI and Fay Enchantress in the list as both of them are respectively absolute monsters. Morathi being a top tier caster and melee monster thanks to her aura stacking, doubly so if she's paired with a Master. Most others are serviceable if you actually know how to play them, Wulfrik and his multiple use nets alongside even more if he's paired with Light Casters guarantees a kill against any enemy Lords. Aranessa being a budget LL who have a solid anti-large aura and also her own net. The only one you seem to have gotten right here is Greasus who despite his high stats are incapable of using them because of his awful attack animations.
I think you grossly undervalue mortis engine effects. Ghorst has not much else so .... sure? Maybe? But the fay has like 100% pick rate in mp because the mix of lore of life, mortis and bound comet of cassandora, shes literally on of the best lords in the entire game
firstly, i repect you, i agree with most of these choices. I have used many lords in multiplayer battles. However, forgive me father but i am going to scream. you put MORATHI DOWN IN bottom 10 BOTTOM OVER SOMEONE LIKE RAKARTH OR THE CRAZY KHAINE WOMAN? MORATHI WAS THE META IN MULTIPLAYER battles. So was the Fey Enchantress. WTF!!! I love you
I always thought he was broken as hell in Warhammer 2. A high elves faction with underway AND ambush attack stance? How did they thought it was a good idea?
Zhatan the Black can become ridiculously powerful late-game with all his quest items and buffs. I’ve used him as a juggernaut to beat a full Cathay army (mid-high tier unit comp) with almost dead chaos dwarfs and a ranged hero.
I’ve gotten 2000 kills with morathi in one battle loads of times. Sounds like you don’t know how to use lore of shadows. Morathi is one of the best lords in the game. She can overcast pit of shades so cheap it’s almost free. And pit overcasted can easily wipe out multiple units of chosen.
The fun thing about the fey enchantress is that is an avatar of Isha the elven godess who trickeded the bretonnians into worshiping her, so she is literally nerfing herself in battle because in reality she is a literal godess
That video should be called «in multiplayer battles» and still appear to be questionable at least. While on campaign map its pointless to jugde them by only fighting abilities, aside from traits, startpos and unique items. For example Aranessa is on the roll with her Sartosians while other Vampirates are struggling early having zombies only. Or Thorgrim sitting on a gold mine.
I know this seems to be combat ability of these lords however I might suggest Zhatan and Aranessa get some consideration in having “nets” in shooting factions with no other real way to bet a target down for the perfect focus fire. Zhatan doesn’t need to be stronger than Archaon, when the great lord of chaos has been rooted and taking the concentrated fire of 5 blunderbuss units.
I wish Sartosa wwren't an undead army. I can see them working best aa a neutral mercenary force but right now Noctulus plays better in that role since he can ally with the High Elves ao easily.
Aranessa's combat niche is killing large single entities. She is anti-large by default and with her high melee attack, high weapon damage and the low melee defense of most large entities, she just shreds them.
I was super sceptical of this list when you started with some pretty good "battle" lords. But when you put Thorgrim up i knew you had no clue tf you talking about or what you intended to talk about. Thorgrim is at game start with base stat probably the tankiest lord around. no one as as much health, melee defense and armor as him. When i look at your video im super confuse because you try to use casters (ghorst morathi and fey enchantress) as frontline fighter which is ???????????. And then you take some of the strongest specialist (alith anar for range, thorgrim for tanking) and put them up as "bad"??? this makes no sense. and taking skill tree and items into accounts makes your picks even less logical at times. Im fanboying over thorgrim now but he gets 4 items which all buffs his armour/tankyness and melee defense into fucking low earth orbit, add to that skill tree. All in all i dont know if its just putting wrong picks to generate views and interactions (in that case hats off) or if you are genuinely bad/ignorant on some of those lords playstyle and use case
No Kazhak one eye being here is hilarious. Dud is basicly a slightly better gor with poison and buffs to your worst units. Many of these here have a niche, the lady has a lesser engine effect and has been the popular pick for multi-player for years. Salt shit, Marcus and zatan have nets allowing their gun factions to destroy some of the toughest counters you could have. One eye though doesn't even have an ability or magic item worth it.
The Armory building can make Fay Enchantress pretty tanky. Especially once you build lots of them, as the +2 armor for all armies stcks up pretty high.
Agree with some.. But Ghorst, Morathi and Zhartan being on here is comical.. All 3 are absolute monsters in battle one way or another. Zhartan wrecks stuff in campaign, perfect vigor, regen, scaling MA & Damage, debuffs including stripping magic attacks, and granting contact immunity.. Hes nuts. Morathi murders stuff with pit of shades and soulstealer, and she debuffs the enemy around here so much that you can Blob rush with her and mow through most factions front lines. You've included 3 lords who are A tier at least..
Idk for me morathi is like a top ten candidate strongest LL, great magic+her melee line makes her fromidable in combat too. She also gets free regen and her items are some of th ebest in the game.
Do you only play multiplayer or something? Because in campaign a lot of these lords are actually amazing. Ghorst, morathi, ALITH ANAR!?!! You're literally putting some of the best lords on this list. L2P.
Also Morgianna AKA fay enchantress a walking mortis engine with amazing bound spells and one of the best life wizzards in the entire game alongside Allarielle.
Aranessa is pretty good actually... With her promothean mount she has 130 armor or so, and she can get a lot of melee defense, ward save (in my campaign she sits at 45% base + 20% for 15s with her ability) - she simply cannot die so I always end her first to kill the enemy lord 1 on 1 whilst my army fires at her position (she doesnt' care). She is also primarily anti large and has a lot of bonuses for that, so sending her against infantry is a terrible idea - however she absolutely destroys other lords on mounts / large creatures. The biggest thing about her though is that she has access to the Sartosans humans (gun / melee) at level 1 that she can boosts to make them extremely resilient (making for a very easy early game), and the Maneater Ogres (gun / melee) at level 3 - at every port. And her capital city is one of the better ones... Only think she really lacks is magic, so they should really add an early caster hero and she would be perfect.
Had to stop listening half way through lol. Morathi can solo armies by herself. Hybrid caster lords are some of the best lords and her having the ability to fly around, regen, and pick her engagement is amazing. Zhatan? He is amazing as a melee lord. Level him up, give him his items, and he is a tough adversary. Way stronger than overseers. Then you say overseers are the worst choice when they are the only good choice for lords. Overseers come with army wide buffs which casters don't really make use of. The best CD army set up is overseer for melee and army wide buffs paired with caster hero who can do everything the lord can. Do you even play Total War lol?
I thought Ghorst is busted with his zombie armies. But I know he was nerfed multiple times. Also I completely disagree about Zatan. He is one man army, one of the strongest melee flying units i saw in this game. In defense of minor settlement I placed him on choke point he held 3 armies of black orcs and fee other greenskins with bearly losing any HP.
I think this list is less about what the lord does for their army and more about how they themself fair in battle. Ghorst himself can't fight anything really. But his army effects are AWESOME.
This list honestly seems like an attempt to boost engagement with controversial or downright wrong choices. Which it seems somewhat successful, this video does have more comments than the others at around the same view count. Morathi is a strong contender for one of the top ten best LLs in battle. The only other explanation is if you haven't used her in battle past level 10 or so. She starts out a little weak like many spell casters, but once she has enough levels and her items she is one of the best one-woman/man army LLs in the game.
So, what do we take away from this? Having no armor is bad, having just a bow and nothing else is bad, being big and nothing else is bad(Grom has a lot going for him), just being slightly better than a generic lord is bad. Really a shame for how good lords like Mommy Morathi, High Elf Punisher Alith Anar, and Zhatan the Black the Black should be. Greasus and Trench kinda make sense, Greasus is a fat gut on a cart and Tretch is your average Skaven, so no surprises there.
Helman Ghorst, Morathi, and the fey enchatrass are some of the most powerful lords on the battlefield. Morathi being one of the most powerful caster in the entire game. Helman's sheer presence makes zombies in his army viable to late game. And Fey enchantress has a aoe damage effect on top of being the best lore of life caster in the whole game with is one of the best lore's of magic in the whole game. there are oodles of other bad lords in the game you put some of the most powerful lords on the worst lords list, especially Morathi she's easily in the top 5 casters in the whole game.
why do you gotta pick on my favorite lord like that?? aranessa is excellent in battles. she's cheap enough to afford another depth guard or vamp fleet captain, avast ye is buffing the DPS on queen bess and a squad of carronades while the enemy is charging (or indefinitely should the enemy think they can outgun the vampirates), the spearfisher is able to lock the enemy's best troops right out in front of the gun line long enough to negate their combat effectiveness, and mannan's luck gives her the toughness to use her excellent melee damage to drop monsters or lords hacking down your zombies
Wizards are just lacking generally, I think. I like playing with the GLF Battle Mage which gives them a cool ranged weapon and add the yellow line so that my wizards are more fun and useful. Balance be damned! XD
What? Morathi is a very strong combatant. But she is a flying assassin/ranged killer via cycle charging, not someone you just throw into a crowd of enemies and leave there. Yes, her spells are crap - get a fire sorc to do the casting (at least she can get one quickly). She starts weak, but once you get Sulephet + regen, she is very good. Zhatan has built in regen, perfect vigour and ridiculous melee stats (but only on foot, his mounts suck). Also Chorfs do not have supply lines, so you don't really choose one lord instead of another. You just walk around with groups of 4. So there is no opportunity cost in having him on field. Still, the most boring Chorf LL.
I think even this undersells Morathi. I always get good impact out of Pit of Shades for Morathi. She can cast if for cheap and it does good damage. I think it is an underrated spell.
Wtf? Morathi has the BEST spell of the lore of dark the BEST spell of the lore of shadows and one of the best ways to regain magic reserves in the form of power of darkness, while being an extremely fast flying spellcaster lord so what if she can't duel skarbrand? She can easily fly over his army and troll them to death with soulstealer and pit of shades.
Im sorry, did you really just start your list of worst legendary lords with like the second most overpowered vampire lord behind gigachad von carstein?
right so why is ghorst here? hes a turn one mortis engine who makes zombies into a tier 3 threat at the least. his only threats that are close is drazoath who can be dealing with imrik for far too long for you to care. zombies are good and he makes them stupid good
@@fe7general837 Id say he makes the tier 1 zombies tier 2. Which doesn't SOUND like a lot. But when you can get them @ tier 1 prices it really adds up. I think if we're specifically talking multiplayer it makes sense to have him here. I think that's what the list is based off of.
I suppose, yeah, if thats the case then I shouldnt comment because i dont do the multiplayer i just know ghorst is a problem in the hands of both the player and the ai in IO
I would agree with helman ghorst. I would have loved when he got his new position and so called mechanics, that they might give him some pestilential spells instead and make him a real debuff lord... Atm.... With morathi I must disagree. For me she is one of my favorite base game lords. Cool skill tree. Good items, that make her kind of untouchable even in a dual and super cheap soul stealer. The only thing she is missing would be an increase to her healing cap and if they some day make cataclysm spells castable she should get at least one 😊 Not because she needs it... But because it's cool and she diservse it 👻
Idc thorgrim is flat out wrong😂, ive never had an issue with being hit with hit hot box, hell if that then put thorek on here as well, thorgrim is great in melee and is pretty tanky as well, later on buffing the hell out of armor and melee def making him even more hellish to face.
Sorry but i am very oppose your opion first ghorst and fay are both mortis engines and morathi is super strong with debuff and cheap spells and you use her maybe wrong? Because she is more like an assine in close combat (ok when she is high level with all items a one woman doomstack). And she has the best faction buffs for the dark elfs and makes the best armies for them.
I seriously don't get it how far off most of colonels lists are... Yes there is always room to argue and different opinions. But this is insane, the mortis effects on helman and fay are good and make them always get decent value in battles. Zhatan is boring, i get it, but he is a beast of a fighter. Same with Thorgrim, he is soooooo insanely tanky, when playing and playing him he is such a tank. Tretch yeah.... ok he gives ok buffs to his army but is still a shitty fighter. Aranessa is actually very weak and Greasus to slow to do shit. The others all have decenet Value and their niche, they might be weaker than other legendary lords i get it so yeah can argue about that. But having arguably one of the strongest and 4 pretty strong ones on a weakest lords list... ooof that is rough. Feels like raigebait and i fell for it.
I don't agree with Thorgrim on this list, he is big but he dishes out big damage and is tanky as hell, if he is supported by a block of any infantry he will wreck everythinga and even without a support I toss him ahead of y army to blob up enemies and he holds them good.
fae is everything but weak, her mortis effect is bonkers in the long run and her magic is very powerfull. She is SO good that she doesnt have to be in meele, just standing there and killing the enemy army XD maybe you should rename the video: Top 10 worst leg Lords in MEELE battle but then some other lords here ddon´t make sense think you missed the point buddy
Devs play and test things on easzy cause they are bad at the game, i remember when they tried in ttw 2 to take the mountains in early game with gobo stack :D keks
They did buff Greasus, they gave him 400 speed in the last update XD
And got fixed already
Bro slows down to a crawl when he is too close to some1
@@sagittariusa9012and mod take it back to 400 🎉
*runs away*
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There are some weird picks on here. Morathi with her items and skills (which are part of the lord after all) is great!
Morathi is a very strange one for this list, whenever I have played her she is an absolute beast in melee and as a spellcaster. I find Alith Anar and Markus Wolfheart to be strange choices as well, they can both do a load of damage to single entities, killing them or making them flee before they can even get to your lines if you play it defensively, which in terms of balance of power value can be huge for you. List also seems weird, as for some lords he mentions their buffs to units, but for some doesn't seem to be taking that into account which it should be as it is part of battle. Wolfheart, for instance, makes an army of huntsmen into an OP doomstack when fully buffed. I'm pretty sure at this point he just adds a few that he knows are going to be controversial into these lists to encourage comments
It's also extremely lore accurate that she fight in melee considering in ths book she took on 2 fucking dragon riders and won
Guys i think that you forget that that he has to put some on the list, ofc none of the legendary lords are bad, or even mid. He just have to choose someone, and i think his choices are great
>Morathi on this list
I'm sorry sir I have diagnosed you with a damaged brain
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Imagine making a tier list about weak legendary lords and putting Morathi on the list but keeping Tik'taq'to off
Yeah I don't get it.. Morathi is a monster.. Debuff doomstack with soulstealer..
Morathi sucks ass, have oyu ever played her? She gets daemonettes and can't even buff them... in the end she is jsut like a generic dark elf lord with 0 armor shit spells and meh melee potential....
Morathi seems like a rage bait pick. Comments are engagement which fuels the algorithm.
I legitimately question Damneders skill at the game if he really puts Morathi as one of the worst combat LLs. She might not be the best duelist but she can wipe out armies. Throwing her into combat and dropping Pit of Shades is very effective.
We really live in different worlds. In My world Morathi is absolute bonkers on the battlefield.
Helman is incredibly powerful.
He has mortis engine on his cart.
Doesn't Fey Enchantress have that too?
Tretch gives his entire army enhanced flanking.
You seem to miss a lot of stuff.
I think he’s talking about the lord’s ability to directly fight. I agree Helman Ghorst is extremely powerful with his Mortis Engine and zombie buffs, but he’s weak in melee.
Like the other guy said i think he is getting at the lord just by themselves which is fair but i feel like all the lords on this list do 10x better with their army present with them.
@@eatsnowanddie Besides Arnessa and Greasus…they’re beyond salvation.
@@delusional6857 Greasus usually runs those mountain areas, idk what it is withh the ai but they be fumbling against one another and its fun to watch
Oh yes he does. It may sound rude, but Colonel Damneders gets so much stuff wrong. I was checking on here again if this changed over time cause his video ideas and narrating is kind of entertaining. But he is so utterly and dreadfully wrong so many times and not talking about minor stuff, but outright objectively terrible advice for newer players. Seems not much has changed, a little bit of a shame. Sometimes i'm wondering if he even played some of the things he talked about in MP or in Campaign longer than the first 10 turns. Wish he would put more effort in to the research about the topics.
Considering that a major complaint regarding Aranessa is how poorly she was implemented into the game, there's a reason why Pirates of Sartosa as a game mod exists.
Greesus was done so dirty. Give that poor man a chariot a la Grom the Paunch, especially given the recent speed buff.
I would argue that Markus Wolfhart is actually pretty dope because you really can't consider him as an individual lord without considering his retinue of heroes that he inevitably gets. If you're not using that group as a massive hero death star to buff your Hunters then you're doing it wrong. Together they make a HUGE difference on the battlefield.
Never had a problem as Morathi. Skarsnik and Tiktaqto, however, are melee lords that you dont want in melee because they get their behind kicked so easily
TikTaqTo takes skill to use, he's extremely mobile and he hits fast. If you use him like he's Imrik obviously he'll have a hard time. But if you take advantage of his DPS and mobility he can do serious damage with hit and run tactics and picking off key targets before the enemy player can react.
try playing against mother onstankya ^^
Khalida is my favorite Tomb King for some reason (I have no idea why) but she should be on the list. She’s allegedly a Duelist but gets bodied by basically any other Legendary Lord you try and have her square off against. She also doesn’t get the benefit of being able to ride a Khemrian War Sphinx like Setra or Arkhan.
Yeah she's my favourite TK lord to play too, but her buffing ranged units whilst having no ranged attack is weird. Like, do I want her at the back to buff, or in the front to fight? She has a unique mount, but so does Khatep and he doesn't have any confusion where on the battlefield he wants to be.
Wow Morathi is like top 5 in terms of power, GREAT melee and magic
I just finished a Ghorst campaign. That man is monstrous. Without casting a single spell he gets between 10k and 100k damage and 100 to a 1000 kills. He's a combination of necromancer and mortis engine and thus way better then both. He won't duel Malus Darkblade but when levelled properly he can even hold his own on top of his crazy abilities. Is this some kind of "controversial on purpose"-videos to get engagement? If so, you won and hats off to you Sir
Zhatan literally carried me through battles in my campaign. He would easily kill the lord and heroes much quicker than any other chaos dawi lord I've used. He was devastating and basically won the final campaign battle for me himself
Perfect vigor, regen, 1k+ damage.. Debuffs.. He's insanely powerful..
Not sure about 3, but I’ve played both Wulfhart and Alith Anar in 2, and the difference is night and day. Wulfhart couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn at 15 paces. Alith Anar is significantly more accurate, and the amount of damage he’s able to dish out before your lines meet is ridiculous. Now continuing to fire at smaller lords at that point is fairly pointless, but move him to the flank of the enemy army, and have him target the opposite end? Watch as his arrows take out dozens of enemies per shot. He’s like a highly mobile cannon, which makes it much easier to set up those devastating flanking shots
Ghorst?? With his level1 mortis engine and zombie roids? Morathi?!? You must have been high.
This list is by far one of the worst I've ever seen, like it's so wrong on nearly all accounts I suspect you might be trolling with these choices. First there's the confusion of whether you're talking about MP or SP? If you're talking about SP then Helman Ghorst sure as hell doesn't belong in this list as he's OP as **** as both a lord and as a faction. And if it's MP, then why the hell is MORATHI and Fay Enchantress in the list as both of them are respectively absolute monsters. Morathi being a top tier caster and melee monster thanks to her aura stacking, doubly so if she's paired with a Master.
Most others are serviceable if you actually know how to play them, Wulfrik and his multiple use nets alongside even more if he's paired with Light Casters guarantees a kill against any enemy Lords. Aranessa being a budget LL who have a solid anti-large aura and also her own net.
The only one you seem to have gotten right here is Greasus who despite his high stats are incapable of using them because of his awful attack animations.
I think you grossly undervalue mortis engine effects. Ghorst has not much else so .... sure? Maybe? But the fay has like 100% pick rate in mp because the mix of lore of life, mortis and bound comet of cassandora, shes literally on of the best lords in the entire game
Ghorst is literally the strongest Vampire lord. Give him a stack of Zombies and he will kill any army.
firstly, i repect you, i agree with most of these choices. I have used many lords in multiplayer battles. However, forgive me father but i am going to scream.
you put MORATHI DOWN IN bottom 10 BOTTOM OVER SOMEONE LIKE RAKARTH OR THE CRAZY KHAINE WOMAN?
MORATHI WAS THE META IN MULTIPLAYER battles. So was the Fey Enchantress. WTF!!!
I love you
Rakarth and Hellbron are amazing compared to shitters like Khalida, Queek, Alberic, Siegvald
I do not tolerate this Alith Anar slander.
I always thought he was broken as hell in Warhammer 2. A high elves faction with underway AND ambush attack stance? How did they thought it was a good idea?
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Nagarythe is absolutely my favorite High Elf faction.
The grim kleaper found a way to make helman gorst one of the greatest lords, of you have a lot of patience.
It's pretty clear how much you don't play with that first pic.
Zhatan the Black can become ridiculously powerful late-game with all his quest items and buffs.
I’ve used him as a juggernaut to beat a full Cathay army (mid-high tier unit comp) with almost dead chaos dwarfs and a ranged hero.
6:29 I guess his combat ability is SHORT.
Alith Anar and Morath aren't weak at all
I’ve gotten 2000 kills with morathi in one battle loads of times. Sounds like you don’t know how to use lore of shadows. Morathi is one of the best lords in the game. She can overcast pit of shades so cheap it’s almost free. And pit overcasted can easily wipe out multiple units of chosen.
Ghorst is op for zombie buffing played a campain with him and he makes them and that very fast op zombies.
if aranessa boosted sartosa folk on red line she might have something good with her pistolers but sadly no
The fun thing about the fey enchantress is that is an avatar of Isha the elven godess who trickeded the bretonnians into worshiping her, so she is literally nerfing herself in battle because in reality she is a literal godess
Alith anar range attack counts as artillery and hits multiple targets
Alith Anar is great but even a wood elf waystalker can hit multiple targets with a single bow shot.
@@triploshadow so can alith anar he just hits harder so trades up against higher tier infantry and Se's
That video should be called «in multiplayer battles» and still appear to be questionable at least. While on campaign map its pointless to jugde them by only fighting abilities, aside from traits, startpos and unique items. For example Aranessa is on the roll with her Sartosians while other Vampirates are struggling early having zombies only. Or Thorgrim sitting on a gold mine.
Isnt morathi able to cast pendulum and pit of shadows for lilke 4 winds per cast?
Why is she on that list qwq
I know this seems to be combat ability of these lords however I might suggest Zhatan and Aranessa get some consideration in having “nets” in shooting factions with no other real way to bet a target down for the perfect focus fire. Zhatan doesn’t need to be stronger than Archaon, when the great lord of chaos has been rooted and taking the concentrated fire of 5 blunderbuss units.
*me loving Colonel Damneders*
*Thorek going on this list*
Me: Why is there Grobi scum in my youtube feed?!
I wish Sartosa wwren't an undead army. I can see them working best aa a neutral mercenary force but right now Noctulus plays better in that role since he can ally with the High Elves ao easily.
Aranessa's combat niche is killing large single entities. She is anti-large by default and with her high melee attack, high weapon damage and the low melee defense of most large entities, she just shreds them.
I have never seen a worse list
Yeah, some of his takes are really, really bad. Zhatan, sans mount is just a tanky, meat grinding little psycho
I was super sceptical of this list when you started with some pretty good "battle" lords. But when you put Thorgrim up i knew you had no clue tf you talking about or what you intended to talk about. Thorgrim is at game start with base stat probably the tankiest lord around. no one as as much health, melee defense and armor as him.
When i look at your video im super confuse because you try to use casters (ghorst morathi and fey enchantress) as frontline fighter which is ???????????.
And then you take some of the strongest specialist (alith anar for range, thorgrim for tanking) and put them up as "bad"??? this makes no sense. and taking skill tree and items into accounts makes your picks even less logical at times. Im fanboying over thorgrim now but he gets 4 items which all buffs his armour/tankyness and melee defense into fucking low earth orbit, add to that skill tree. All in all i dont know if its just putting wrong picks to generate views and interactions (in that case hats off) or if you are genuinely bad/ignorant on some of those lords playstyle and use case
Nakai, CA pls, make my croc boi good.
Karl Franz shouldve been on this list. He's marginally stronger than a Empire General and weaker than most of the lords on this list.
Deathclaw, Ghal Maraz and the possibility to become unbreakable makes him a very nasty fighter though.
in early game I would agree, but one he gets Deathclaw dude is actually a pretty awesome combatant.
Tretch is basically a rat with two sticks
No Kazhak one eye being here is hilarious. Dud is basicly a slightly better gor with poison and buffs to your worst units.
Many of these here have a niche, the lady has a lesser engine effect and has been the popular pick for multi-player for years. Salt shit, Marcus and zatan have nets allowing their gun factions to destroy some of the toughest counters you could have. One eye though doesn't even have an ability or magic item worth it.
The Armory building can make Fay Enchantress pretty tanky. Especially once you build lots of them, as the +2 armor for all armies stcks up pretty high.
Agree with some.. But Ghorst, Morathi and Zhartan being on here is comical..
All 3 are absolute monsters in battle one way or another.
Zhartan wrecks stuff in campaign, perfect vigor, regen, scaling MA & Damage, debuffs including stripping magic attacks, and granting contact immunity.. Hes nuts.
Morathi murders stuff with pit of shades and soulstealer, and she debuffs the enemy around here so much that you can Blob rush with her and mow through most factions front lines.
You've included 3 lords who are A tier at least..
tiktak is worse that all of these fools he’d lose to skavenslaves
Idk for me morathi is like a top ten candidate strongest LL, great magic+her melee line makes her fromidable in combat too. She also gets free regen and her items are some of th ebest in the game.
Do you only play multiplayer or something? Because in campaign a lot of these lords are actually amazing. Ghorst, morathi, ALITH ANAR!?!! You're literally putting some of the best lords on this list. L2P.
You should read the title again. “In battle” no mention of campaign.
Also Morgianna AKA fay enchantress a walking mortis engine with amazing bound spells and one of the best life wizzards in the entire game alongside Allarielle.
Aranessa is pretty good actually... With her promothean mount she has 130 armor or so, and she can get a lot of melee defense, ward save (in my campaign she sits at 45% base + 20% for 15s with her ability) - she simply cannot die so I always end her first to kill the enemy lord 1 on 1 whilst my army fires at her position (she doesnt' care). She is also primarily anti large and has a lot of bonuses for that, so sending her against infantry is a terrible idea - however she absolutely destroys other lords on mounts / large creatures.
The biggest thing about her though is that she has access to the Sartosans humans (gun / melee) at level 1 that she can boosts to make them extremely resilient (making for a very easy early game), and the Maneater Ogres (gun / melee) at level 3 - at every port. And her capital city is one of the better ones...
Only think she really lacks is magic, so they should really add an early caster hero and she would be perfect.
I think you're talking about MP but even then some choices are weird and actually meta xD
Tbh pirate factions are kind of weak but super fun to play, just grab your ship and terrorize the sea.
I swear this guy has been hitting the glass barbecue a bit too much
Had to stop listening half way through lol. Morathi can solo armies by herself. Hybrid caster lords are some of the best lords and her having the ability to fly around, regen, and pick her engagement is amazing.
Zhatan? He is amazing as a melee lord. Level him up, give him his items, and he is a tough adversary. Way stronger than overseers.
Then you say overseers are the worst choice when they are the only good choice for lords. Overseers come with army wide buffs which casters don't really make use of. The best CD army set up is overseer for melee and army wide buffs paired with caster hero who can do everything the lord can.
Do you even play Total War lol?
Yeah I reached the same point you did.. Complains Morathi has poor armour, then puts in the CD Lord who armor buffs his whole army.. 😂
Weird. Alith Anar was pretty accurate each time I used him. :/
I thought Ghorst is busted with his zombie armies. But I know he was nerfed multiple times. Also I completely disagree about Zatan. He is one man army, one of the strongest melee flying units i saw in this game. In defense of minor settlement I placed him on choke point he held 3 armies of black orcs and fee other greenskins with bearly losing any HP.
I think this list is less about what the lord does for their army and more about how they themself fair in battle. Ghorst himself can't fight anything really. But his army effects are AWESOME.
Sorry bro i cannot understand why you think that markus and Althinar are worse than tretch? Everything you say is soo wrong.
This list honestly seems like an attempt to boost engagement with controversial or downright wrong choices. Which it seems somewhat successful, this video does have more comments than the others at around the same view count.
Morathi is a strong contender for one of the top ten best LLs in battle. The only other explanation is if you haven't used her in battle past level 10 or so. She starts out a little weak like many spell casters, but once she has enough levels and her items she is one of the best one-woman/man army LLs in the game.
my argument for thorgrim. Eight peaks.
Ive 3 shot non LLords with alith before. Dude is an absolute sniper
So, what do we take away from this? Having no armor is bad, having just a bow and nothing else is bad, being big and nothing else is bad(Grom has a lot going for him), just being slightly better than a generic lord is bad.
Really a shame for how good lords like Mommy Morathi, High Elf Punisher Alith Anar, and Zhatan the Black the Black should be. Greasus and Trench kinda make sense, Greasus is a fat gut on a cart and Tretch is your average Skaven, so no surprises there.
Greasus's strength is not on the battlefield, his strength lies in making tons of money.
Where Daniel?
I can agree wit hthe list, and I have to say, everyone is a gigachad who still plays with Thorgrim.
No morathi slander will be tolerated😂. Also it’s funny that some of the best multiplayer caster lords are on here. Interesting to note
Helman Ghorst, Morathi, and the fey enchatrass are some of the most powerful lords on the battlefield. Morathi being one of the most powerful caster in the entire game. Helman's sheer presence makes zombies in his army viable to late game. And Fey enchantress has a aoe damage effect on top of being the best lore of life caster in the whole game with is one of the best lore's of magic in the whole game. there are oodles of other bad lords in the game you put some of the most powerful lords on the worst lords list, especially Morathi she's easily in the top 5 casters in the whole game.
Bro the deamon prince is really bad too even when you power him up with khornes weapons and he has 1000 ws he still can't hit a lord to save his life
why do you gotta pick on my favorite lord like that?? aranessa is excellent in battles. she's cheap enough to afford another depth guard or vamp fleet captain, avast ye is buffing the DPS on queen bess and a squad of carronades while the enemy is charging (or indefinitely should the enemy think they can outgun the vampirates), the spearfisher is able to lock the enemy's best troops right out in front of the gun line long enough to negate their combat effectiveness, and mannan's luck gives her the toughness to use her excellent melee damage to drop monsters or lords hacking down your zombies
Not you ogling the Fay Enchantress’ feet 😂
Damneders own r prob 🤢
Khazrak should have been on here. He didn’t win a single duel in my legendary campaign 😂
Wizards are just lacking generally, I think. I like playing with the GLF Battle Mage which gives them a cool ranged weapon and add the yellow line so that my wizards are more fun and useful. Balance be damned! XD
What? Morathi is a very strong combatant. But she is a flying assassin/ranged killer via cycle charging, not someone you just throw into a crowd of enemies and leave there. Yes, her spells are crap - get a fire sorc to do the casting (at least she can get one quickly). She starts weak, but once you get Sulephet + regen, she is very good.
Zhatan has built in regen, perfect vigour and ridiculous melee stats (but only on foot, his mounts suck). Also Chorfs do not have supply lines, so you don't really choose one lord instead of another. You just walk around with groups of 4. So there is no opportunity cost in having him on field. Still, the most boring Chorf LL.
I think even this undersells Morathi. I always get good impact out of Pit of Shades for Morathi. She can cast if for cheap and it does good damage. I think it is an underrated spell.
you pick some of the strongest ll out and say theyre the worst? lmao
Zhatan is my favorite Legendary Lord lol!
Wtf? Morathi has the BEST spell of the lore of dark the BEST spell of the lore of shadows and one of the best ways to regain magic reserves in the form of power of darkness, while being an extremely fast flying spellcaster lord so what if she can't duel skarbrand? She can easily fly over his army and troll them to death with soulstealer and pit of shades.
Im sorry, did you really just start your list of worst legendary lords with like the second most overpowered vampire lord behind gigachad von carstein?
I think this list is more referring to the battles than the map.
right so why is ghorst here? hes a turn one mortis engine who makes zombies into a tier 3 threat at the least. his only threats that are close is drazoath who can be dealing with imrik for far too long for you to care. zombies are good and he makes them stupid good
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Id say he makes the tier 1 zombies tier 2. Which doesn't SOUND like a lot. But when you can get them @ tier 1 prices it really adds up.
I think if we're specifically talking multiplayer it makes sense to have him here. I think that's what the list is based off of.
I suppose, yeah, if thats the case then I shouldnt comment because i dont do the multiplayer
i just know ghorst is a problem in the hands of both the player and the ai in IO
I would agree with helman ghorst. I would have loved when he got his new position and so called mechanics, that they might give him some pestilential spells instead and make him a real debuff lord... Atm....
With morathi I must disagree. For me she is one of my favorite base game lords. Cool skill tree. Good items, that make her kind of untouchable even in a dual and super cheap soul stealer. The only thing she is missing would be an increase to her healing cap and if they some day make cataclysm spells castable she should get at least one 😊
Not because she needs it... But because it's cool and she diservse it 👻
Idc thorgrim is flat out wrong😂, ive never had an issue with being hit with hit hot box, hell if that then put thorek on here as well, thorgrim is great in melee and is pretty tanky as well, later on buffing the hell out of armor and melee def making him even more hellish to face.
Why are dwarves so short sighted
Thorgrm is tanky and deals high dmg if you think he's bad your just be absolutely terrible
Sorry but i am very oppose your opion first ghorst and fay are both mortis engines and morathi is super strong with debuff and cheap spells and you use her maybe wrong? Because she is more like an assine in close combat (ok when she is high level with all items a one woman doomstack). And she has the best faction buffs for the dark elfs and makes the best armies for them.
2 of my favorite Lord are on this list ! 😅😢
That must explain why I suck so much at warhammer !
i dont understand how aitlh is on this list
. When i played him he could two shot some lords
I seriously don't get it how far off most of colonels lists are... Yes there is always room to argue and different opinions. But this is insane, the mortis effects on helman and fay are good and make them always get decent value in battles. Zhatan is boring, i get it, but he is a beast of a fighter. Same with Thorgrim, he is soooooo insanely tanky, when playing and playing him he is such a tank. Tretch yeah.... ok he gives ok buffs to his army but is still a shitty fighter. Aranessa is actually very weak and Greasus to slow to do shit. The others all have decenet Value and their niche, they might be weaker than other legendary lords i get it so yeah can argue about that. But having arguably one of the strongest and 4 pretty strong ones on a weakest lords list... ooof that is rough. Feels like raigebait and i fell for it.
Thorgrim is one of the best one man army according to legend…
I don't agree with Thorgrim on this list, he is big but he dishes out big damage and is tanky as hell, if he is supported by a block of any infantry he will wreck everythinga and even without a support I toss him ahead of y army to blob up enemies and he holds them good.
I don’t think I’ve ever started a Tretch campaign. Nothing interesting offered.
Zhatan is not prounced Zaatan its Zhatan. Jyatan
fae is everything but weak, her mortis effect is bonkers in the long run and her magic is very powerfull.
She is SO good that she doesnt have to be in meele, just standing there and killing the enemy army XD
maybe you should rename the video: Top 10 worst leg Lords in MEELE battle
but then some other lords here ddon´t make sense
think you missed the point buddy
Wtf is that List
And worse yet, Thorgrim has the DUMBEST mount in the game
This list is eh
This guy really just slandered half the waifus in the game. This deserves worse than a grudgin'.
Hard dislike lool, some lords S tier ..
aranessa is the best actually
Lategame Thorngrin Grudgebringer is quite literally unkillable... bad list
Devs play and test things on easzy cause they are bad at the game, i remember when they tried in ttw 2 to take the mountains in early game with gobo stack :D keks
First 3 are decent lords
soooo wrong
Nuh huh
Ghorst is always has krell they're a package deal
Wrong vampire lord. Ghorst doesn't have krell.