How do you like your Dolby Atmos Experience? Subdued or Circus?
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- Опубліковано 26 чер 2024
- Which do you prefer? Does the content matter? What are you more likely to enjoy? In today's video, we hear from the professionals who mix Dolby Atmos daily for high-profile projects. Let's get into it! Purchase your Spatial Audio Calibration Toolkit today - technodad.biz/SPATIAL
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0:00 - Intro
0:31 - Helping Alan Meyerson
0:43 - Subdued Immersion?
1:36 - Which side am I on?
1:55 - What is Catalog Work?
2:48 - Roc.am on James Brown
3:53 - Staying true to the Stereo Mix
5:38 - Two songs two different mixes
6:26 - Manny's Approach
7:15 - Roc.am & Experimentation
9:03 - It's time for you to chime in!
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I want a bit of both, depending on the content. Joe and I just discussed this recently and my take is that some genres (electronic, rap, etc.) lend themselves naturally to immersive audio, where some creative object placement can really improve the experience of listening to the song. The Billie Eilish mixes are a great example of that. But if we're talking genres where you have the typical 3 or 4 piece band (rock, country, bluegrass, etc.), I think you're better served using Atmos to make the listener feel like you're in a live space (though you could really do that with straight upmixing if we're being honest).
On the movie side: There are action flicks where the action is non-stop and I'd expect "the circus" for those. There are horror films where I would rather it be subdued until the "scare" moments because the content demands it. Ultimately, I think Atmos has to serve the content or genre in question, as each has different demands.
Great video, like both approaches but always looking for some circus!
As much as I like the circus, I think you are correct. A bit of both would be the right way to go about it.
Circus ever!
For me, immersion in the music, with Atmos or any upmixer mode, is more important with live music discs ans Shows, because I want to feel like the people there. For studio albums, I don't miss it.
Great input. Thank you!
It depends on the artist and their music. Pink Floyd, a band that uses a lot of layers, elements in their music as well as sound-FX, screams for "the circus". Dark Side of the Moon really delivers, is a stunning Atmos experience.
I still haven't heard it! I'm slippin'
I'm with Slim on this, it really depends on content. I love the ambience and openness of things like say A Quiet Place, but I also love the rockus space battles and gun fights. Audio should meet the expectation of the scene or content. I also like that Atmos can deliver new experiences, actually make you fee like you are underwater, or in the middle of a huge storm, or on a race track. At the same time, yeah I wanna hear my speakers and have stuff using them. Musically, it also depends. I love when Atmos is used to do a better version fo what DSP used to, transport us to a space, let me feel that concert in the Royal Albert Hall, like I'm there. Or be super ambient like with Pink Floyd. I guess I'm in the camp, if you're going to be subtle with like a catalog track, why make it immersive to begin with? Use those resources to do content that would beenfit from the circus. Lets be honest, Circus sells systems. But don't go crazy just cus you can, if the content doesn't warrent it, leave it alone. Still waiting on Eternity, Song by Anyma, hopefully you find it interesting to devote the time, and can find the stems to make it possible.
Completely agree with Slim and Monkat! 😉🍻
Hmmmm....Eternity....you don't say...
@@TechnoDad ....tease lol
I want to duck, flinch, be shocked, and made to look up and not always when I expect it. I'm spending hundreds to thousands extra on a capable receiver and amp, putting holes in my celling, routing extra wires, up the ladder, down the ladder, and all for these few and far in between moments that are usually not very jarring. If dolby and movie makers are going to hype this thing up, make it worth my time and money. Please and thank you.
Fantastic insights .. Love it. This is all just another level of expression and preferences.
Great video having insight like this is on another level
Thank you!
Circus = The band Yello's "Point" Dobly Atmos album. If your system is set up correctly it's a wild ride to listen to. This is now my main demo material for my room.
I'll have to check that out!
I usually don’t like when people say “it depends”. But, in this case, it depends. Others have already pointed out many great reasons why but my two cents is simply that we live in a world where there are sounds always coming from all directions 24/7. Even now I can hear my refrigerator doing its thing behind me in the kitchen. Is it annoying? Yes. But it’s still there. That’s what I wish we would get more of from the movie soundscape. There should not be any reason why all Atmos speakers aren’t engaged 100% of the time during a movie! I do understand that the movie soundtrack is pretty much the last thing done prior to the release and the sound designers usually don’t get near enough time to make it right. But when they do, that’s a thing of beauty! I just rewatched Dune part 1 and then went to a theater with Atmos to see part 2 and these movies are freaking amazing! I will be interested to see how active the height channels are at home because it seemed like they were non stop in the theater! I hope the new Godzilla movie keeps up the franchise’s reputation with great sound as well.
As for music, that’s a different animal! I agree with others that not all music needs to be mixed in Atmos and that some of the Atmos remasters out there are gimmicky and atrocious. But there is no denying that some music was made for Atmos. Electronic music is a great candidate for sure. Someone already mentioned Dark Side of the Moon by Pink Floyd. I’m a casual fan of Pink Floyd but I am a huge fan of the 5.1 SACD version of DSOTM! I really need to sit down and compare the 5.1 version to the new Atmos version. That should be a fun experience. Right now I am listening to the Dune: Part Two soundtrack in Atmos on Apple Music via AppleTV 4k and I must say it’s great! Some tracks are tame and nice like ‘A Time of Quiet Between the Storms’ and others are pretty insane like ‘Water of Life’! The LFE is fantastic as well right from the beginning. If you haven’t heard it I highly recommend listening to it. I am primarily a metalhead and I have mixed feelings about metal and Atmos. Most of the metal music in Atmos I have come across so far just seems to be remastered versions of albums already out. Some sound gimmicky putting instruments in random speakers just because they can which kinda pulls me out of the listening experience and others like Megadeth’s ‘Countown to Extinction’ album (which I love) is actually really awful. I’m just getting started on the metal in Atmos journey and I am finding out there is more than I expected available already. One that I am pleasantly surprised by so far is the new (2023) album ‘Heimdal’ by Enslaved. This is a more ‘extreme’ band and is not for everyone. Even I don’t listen much to this particular sub genre of metal but several of these bands have “spacey” elements to their music that is almost made for Atmos and while not perfect, this album has some creative ideas going on that seems to work here. My opinion of course! Ok, sorry to be so long winded. 😬
Great points brought up here. I was hanging out with Alan Meyerson, who is responsible for the immersive mix of the DUne 2 Soundtrack. I got to hear a little of his process for the immersive mixing of the soundtrack and I gotta say, he knows what he is doing. I still have to hear the Atmos version of DSOTM. I already have the SACD 5.1 and it's awesome!
I personally like at 3.1 surround sound. For both movies TV.
And music. I love the experience.
Nice!
Nice outro!
Thanks player!
You're right, its all "subjective" and we're at the mercy of the producer and their native talent
The entire theme behind home theater (as well as commercial theater) is "TOTAL IMMERSION" - No? - That's for theater - I think music should be handled completely differently (as you allude to).
In my theater room, I want all my senses (well, as many as is physically possible) to be involved in the movie experience. - No smell-o-vision or taste-o-vision - yet! - lol
Very insightful video Channa. - Thanks - Cheers!
Agreed!
Very cool
Thank you for watching!
This is a very informative video. Thank you @TechnoDad!
You are welcome...btw, I need to give you a call...maybe this week...
OK sounds good :)@@TechnoDad
SACD is definitely more immersive than Atmos music to me. I believe it’s because the mixer has to balance channels to sound cohesive without relying on the stereo mix to lean on. Each channel seemed to have its own track. I bet they all will say SACD is harder to mix.
Bring on the Circus for me.
This is probably very true. Not having the stereo mix was probably what made multichannel SACD sound great.
Circus, over the top. I spent the money on a nice setup AV, Speakers, Tv. I want to hear every bit of Atmos, over the top please.
I don’t care if it’s something as little as someone throwing a balled up piece of paper, let me hear it whiz past my ear.
Copy that!
Completely depends on the film or music content - an action film with helicopters and planes should be 'circus' - an art house film, might be subdued with maybe one scene, where maybe rain is predominant that noticeably uses the overheads. All about what's suitable for the content - Aftersun for instance is a very quiet, dialogue-heavy film that wouldn't really need to be mixed in Atmos
Agreed! Why have an Atmos mix for a dialogue-heavy film?
Experimental tracks!!! Circus!!!! Artists could even sell a selection stems and maybe make a VR game where the user could throw the different tracks at different points in the vr space and it translate to the headphones or avr. So much could be done. Instead of dance offs, mix offs, etc. people could have immersion audio battles with venues that were built for like the Las Vegas Sphere! Endless possibilities!!!! It’s a great time to be alive!!
Some great ideas here, especially with the LV Sphere!
I believe that is artist dependent and/or genre dependent. One of my favourite artist is Jean-Michel Jarre and even in an non-atmos environment his music is heavly immersive, it certainly is at the circus end of the scale, but I wouldn't expect that from say RnB or a country track. What I love from atmos is the "suprise" element when you hear something pacific or defined from a music track.
I like surprises!
both
I find it easy to override the sound experience of whatever I'm viewing using presets from my Marantz receiver. Often I'll be watching a movie playing a 5.1 soundtrack but the receiver is set to Auro-3D or Atmos or DTS - Surround, utilizing all 11 speakers and the subs. Yes, it's subtle, but quite noticeable, and almost always very pleasing.
My biggest gripe is the low utilization of channels beyond 5.1 in movie soundtracks. My second is that at least half of the Dolby Atmos soundtracks I've listened to lack any additional benefit beyond a 5.1 recording. If a major producer or company like Apple promoted multi-channel audio, the industries involved would have a new reason to get up in the morning. Apple's new VR headset is a good example of what's to come. But it all begins with content, and that means dollars spent to expand them, allowing all of us to move closer to our beloved Atmos dream.
Agreed. I think that there are some amazing possibilities with the Apple Vision Pro
Want to be able to hear dialogue, it’s a joke that many mixes on a mid range system for over a year trying to fix this prevalent issue. I just switched from Denon 960 H to the Sony AN 1000 for the center speaker options and still to no avail dialogue is still severely muffled or inaudible. I’ve tried every solution out there and it has not ceased. Great channel thanks for letting me vent
Yeah, that's always been a problem. Bumping up the center channel a few dB can help, but it's not ideal.
Both
I think it depands on the situation. When i watch a action movie there need to be more atmos effects in there. But you should only do atmos effects when it makes sense. Not do it all the time just because you can. Also, when you listen to something classical. Like a 70's song etc. Then just keep it simpel. So really depands. But then the situation is there, i am in camp circus. But don't push it because of pushing it. Push it because there is a reason.
Hey I want to here Britney do Circus in the circus route of Atmos now, thanks
I'm somewhat in between... If the performance was clearly done on a grand space like Orchestral, jazz stuff, get them as open as possible without sounding off. If it's the opposite then let it be an extension of what the stereo does so it doesn't over do it
Copy that!
@@TechnoDad you next mix can be something from Samara Joy
I want movie makers to allow more time and money on sound design. Sound truly makes a movie! If it didn’t we would still be watching silent films. I want, where it is appropriate effect like at the beginning of Fury Road. No more static mixes I want true object as promised when atmos came out! I want both and more than just one or two effects when appropriate!
Agreed. Sound can make or break the movie.
for movies - GIVE ME THE CIRCUS!!!
agree for music - it depends.
btw TD maybe you can make circus tracks for hayla's "where you are" and "fall again" 🙏🙏🙏
AAAYYYYY!!! You're talking my language here! I LOVE Fall Again!
@@TechnoDadLEZGOOO
I have yet to hear too much atmos in music or movies. Mixers are way too conservative. Channa's atmos music is getting there and is awesome. Lets bring on a humongous circus.
Were can I find the Bob Marley atmos tracks? Spotify?
Apple Music or Tidal
If we rated 1 for subdued atmos and 10 for the circus sound, i would say 7.
Nice! Let’s call it the Circus Scale or something!
I have 7.1.4 and I mean its cool its okay I'm not blown away but I do like the channel seperation but it isn't like OMG. It's just cool. It may be because my Atmos speakers are set up as traditional Heights instead of the Dolby Atmos ceiling config format. Being Heights they aren't tilted towards me they are flat against the wall as high up as they can go on the wall closest to the ceiling as possible.
Your heights need to be pointed directly at your MLP. And it’s all about angles. Which depends on your ceiling height, how far your head is off the floor etc.
It would seem obvious to me that most to all want more atmos. I would think the producers have had ample time to get this feedback atmos has been out for like a decade. My conclusion is it is what it is at this point.
For me both is fine, I can appreciate the circus. I do think there is way to less information for the height channels. It's not worth upgrading for most home situations
Copy that!
I would say most audio tracks err on the side of being conservative and playing it safe. I have yet to hear a track and think “they just took the multi channel aspect too far.”
Play Lone Survivor, this is how I like my Dolby atmos, in this movie my atmos channels are active 90 percent, please what this movie, they did the Atmos off the chain
A combination of both, with a movie where there is dialog subtile but when the action scènes come let in the circus with all the clowns 😄
Word!
true immersion, no circus (unless intended by the artist)
Hey Channa D...
Thanks for the vid, it's good to see you networking amongst the kiddies that are in-play currently. I suspect though that "change of perspective" ain't goona come from anybody over 35yrs old. I heard a lot of mixers saying that they "tried to stay true intent"..."didn't want to disappoint listeners with expectations of past recording intents".
Artists in-concert are ALWAYS changing the way they play their libraries at concert!! They doesn't mimic the "trueness" of their libraries...
Listeners ALSO happen to like covers from other bands/ artists... HELL, look at Tony Bennett covering Sinatra ditties 💁🏻♂️
My position is, if people seek out new releases..."IN DOLBY ATMOS".... then they can buy the new releases, OR NOT!!
Nothing says they have to smash their previous library. 🤦🏻♂️
This is why it's hard to sell old dogs new tricks. Only the new generations will incorporate ATMOS 7.1.4 capabilities into their yet to be written libraries.
God people are stubborn!! Especially the older ones that ALREADY have libraries.
Sorry for the rant, but this resistance to change and with spending on new equipment REALLY irks me.
I applaud you and Joe for continuing to put your money where your mouth is with releasing of your ATMOS excerpts and specifications releases. Its a start.👏👏👏 🫡🫡
I am 100% CIRCUS … and to be clear, I think that ‘A Quiet Place’ is circus, just because it’s quiet doesn’t meant that it’s not immersive. What I consider subdued is Pseudo-Stereo. If the limits of your concept of immersive is BIG stereo, I’ll just use the upmixer, I don’t need you.
100%!!
Yo CHANNA😊
Hi!
Good systems don't draw attention to the speakers. They should create the correct atmosphere that makes sense with what is on screen without drawing you out of the movie. For music, doesn't matter. Whatever you like.
Bring on the circus 🎉
Giddy-up!!
Send in the Clowns! Circus all the way!
Sir is that any possible to make us any Indian ( tamil language ) tamil movie song in Dolby Atmos audio for our tamil people community for testing our immersive Dolby Atmos technology
If subdued was 1 and circus was 10
I’d be a 6
I was a circus when it's being a circus
Old tracks should be regular but new music should be amazing but it is still not yours should be the new standard
I love the circus. BOOM by Tiesto is the best atmos track I’ve heard thus far. I’ve only had my atmos setup for about a month though. Techno Dad I would love a list of some kind of you’re favorite electronic atmos tracks. I feel like electronic music doesn’t get quite the attention from the general public and the streaming apps, as other genres do. So I would love to see some of your suggestions.
I’d even be interested in some good electronic suggestions regardless of atmos. I used to live in Dallas which had a fantastic house music scene, but I’m way out of the loop now.
Hello! There was an album on Tidal a while back called "Atmos for Androids" and that was pretty awesome. I don't have too many to recommend. I listened to quite a few on Apple Music curated playlists for electronic music, but there wasn't anything too compelling to report back. I really wish these labels would send me tracks to mix for them...anyway....
Here's a DJ mix I did at the ski resort. The first hour is a masterclass on Harmonic Mixing and Phrasing. Let me know how you like it. Tracks names are listed when the songs are playing - www.mixcloud.com/ChannaD/4123-tusks-main-lodge-mammoth-mountain/