Could US, UK, Israel & Jordan Stop 350 Iranian Drones & Ballistic Missiles? (WarGames 214) | DCS
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- Опубліковано 15 тра 2024
- You guys have asked us to run our own simulation of the recent events where Iran fired 350 drones and ballistic and cruise missiles at Israel.
This should be eventful...
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Thanks for letting me fly this with you guys! I can't imagine the coordination and detail it must have taken to pull this off in real life - amazing work by the air forces and ground crews over the weekend.
Ayyyye love your channel buddy
@@SakoRichards Thank you!
Subscribed.
@@iddan1205 Thanks man!
i probably helped that Iran announced it hours before (and the drones taking hours anyway). Not sure Israel will return that favour.
Video title correction: Can the Grim Reapers intercept 350 Iranian drones & ballistic missiles? We already know the US , UK, and Israel can lol
Only with warning. 72 hours to be precise. 99 percent accuracy. Without warning and a proper attack. I very much doubt it would be anywhere near 90
@@dragondude6984 Iranian engineering is pretty bad so still near 90% I think, maybe not 99%again like irl, but still a high %
nope - we don't know that - and for damn sure no one apart from Israel and Ukraine (if they had the ammunition) are currently set up to handle attacks of that size, certainly the UK isn't and I doubt that America is, either.
@@occamraiser I though there were reports over 50% of the ballistic missiles failed to even reach Israel from their launching pads
Tbf we don't actually know much yet about what they can do. Half of Iran's ballistic missiles failed without needing to be intercepted, so they actually let 7/65 through. That's a success rate of 89% against functioning missiles. But it could actually be worse depending on the distribution of decoys to actual warheads since their AD claims to ignore decoys.
Matrix - "sidewinders work fine, just have to get REALLY close"
SuperCap - "flies the sidewinder on his wing INTO the drone"
Well, it'll save on missile fuel I guess...
lol
The cost of the defensive missile isn't compared to the cost of the attack drone or missile, but rather against the cost of the target that the drone or target would have destroyed.
When I heard about Iran's attack, I thought it sounded perfect for a GR scenario. (Does Iran know that if they really want a GR scenario that they could just post in a request?!?!)
I think they figured they'd rather have an irl scenario to compare to
It would be nice if we could JUST do the sim version and not the real life version...
@@grimreapers That reminds me of an old sci-fi short story where things worked exactly like that
@BoraHorzaGobuchul that's an episode of star trek the original series
@@BlackLiger788 might well be but I remember reading one which most likely predates it. It is a rather common idea, so no surprise
SM-3 is really close in performance to the Arrow-3, and the SM-6 is close to the David's sling, so it is a fairly accurate representation!
Roger thx
You need to use a floor to deconflict, having none of your pilots descend below a particular altitude.
Interesting.
I would have thought having periods where the defensive systems would be paused, let the jets in, they would do a sweep with cannons or line up a few miles back and fire coordinated missile salvos from formation.
The lines coming out of US and Israel is there were about 170 drones, 30 cruise missiles and between 115-130 ballistic missiles. All the drones and 25 out of 30 cruise missiles were intercepted by a coalition aircraft interdiction line before they reached Israel, Iran had warned all its neighbours about its two targets in Israel (Negev and Nevatim airbase, the origin of the attack on its Embassy compound in Damascus) and the timing of the retaliation 72 hours in advance and had asked Turkey to pass on those details to Israel as well as through back channels to the US in Switzerland which allowed the coalition aerial interdiction line to be formed as they knew the target and size of the retaliation. 50% of the Ballistic missiles failed at launch or in flight however 9 got through the US fleet/Israels air defences with 5 striking Nevatim airbase and 4 hitting the Negev base causing minor damage including cratering a disused runway, destroying some empty storage buildings and damaging a C-130 transport. No US carrier aircraft were involved with only land based aircraft taking part but US ships shot down 6 ballistic missiles, in addition the US said it destroyed 7 drones and 1 ballistic missile on the ground before they launched (presumably from Yemen). The US said its aircraft accounted for around 80 drones (up from an earlier estimate of 70) and its ships intercepted 6 ballistic missiles along with a couple of interceptions from its Patriot battery in Erbil. Jordan and UK haven said how many they intercepted and the French participated in the defence in a non-combat role as well. Israel has said it alone discharged $1bn worth of interceptors during the attack.
That sounds accurate to what I heard. Thanks for the effort.
Everybody's military had a fun day playing with their toys.
Thanks for the detail
Something tells me that Iran was testing the Israelis defense capabilities and the response and capabilities of Israeli allies. I highly doubt this is over. More Grim Reapers scenarios to come!
Are those ballistic missiles capable of a nuclear payload? If so, then Iran has just proven it can overwhelm Israeli defenses and 7-9 nuclear-armed ballistic missiles would do a lot of damage.
Did any of you think of the absolutely simplistic idea of NOT flying in the middle of the mass of drones? If you stay away from the swarm on the same side of it and fire into it, you'll never shoot each other.
Clearly not. Grim Reapers love to reap themselves, lol
…where’s the fun in that 😂
@17:50 "Minor problem there." As Cap loses half his wing! Good thing that the F-16 computer can adapt and doesn't need those. LOL!
Did you guys see the exoatmospheric interceptions and ensuing space explosions. Fkn amazing
No, could you link to it?
@@Harleqwin not sure if cap likes links in his comments so until he gives his blessing or the other GR members go to “the war zone” and look at the article titled “Iran’s Retaliatory Strikes Have Begun (Updated)” its down nearer the bottom of the very loooong page. I want to say after the 9p est updates for sure
@@Harleqwin they are in twitter videos that are embedded in the article
Links just get auto-deleted these days but thanks,.
@@theswiller85 Thank you very much for the detailed description of how/where to find them. Am looking at them now.
Just to maybe help offer a few answers you had questions for. The Israeli F-15Is were using AIM-7s, fox 1s so much less risk for fratricide than Fox 3s.
Unclear on what armament the other coalition planes were using but all of the kill videos have been from targeting pods or native EO systems. Thanks for the videos. Maybe we’ll cross paths in the DCS skies someday.
That makes a LOT of sense.
they can also use APKWS which is cheaper than most modern missile yet still effective againest slow targets
120+200+30 is 350. Of which 4 got through:
that's 1.14% of the shots got through.
2 people got shot down by friendly SAMs, 1 person (CAP) hit a drone, and 6 got shot down, 50% of them by Dark.
Irl 7 got through and reportedly half of the MRBM failed mid course. DCS assets seem to vastly overperform.
@@w1serepeater972 They don't overperform, there's no human error modeled in the sim, which is very hard to do.
I saw lots of human error 😂
@@MrNoobed yeah error could mean a lot of things but your meagre won't be able to comprehend that.
Dark, that's dark!
US navy did shot down at least 3 ballistic missiles from 2 Burkes. First real world combat use of SM3 in history too.
Awesome.
Aircraft speed modulating the radar notch filter is super interesting.
Thank you for simulating this. Job well done!
Great job Cap and GR, timely and interesting video.
Did you see the gun cam footage they released?
The shots look to be taken at very close range.
Agreed
In real life they had about 5-6 hours to intercept the drones, we only got 30 mins so we had to rush everything.
Amazing recreation put together in such a short time. Nice work!
Actually from what i heard they also used AIM-7 to avoid blue on blue, easier to keep lock and also because it cost less.
thx
You can deploy the AIM-120 in the same manner as an AIM-7. You HAVE to maintain a target lock from the launching Aircraft. For the record, I was an AMMO and Weapons Tech(Load toad) in the USAF. I'm very familiar with these systems. The 120 was an evolution of the Sparrow so it could have the option of being fielded with out the launching A/C having to maintain a lock yet still retain it's AIM-7 like functions. Either DCS isn't modeling this correctly or these guys are using them wrong.
@@SternLX Thx for the info.
Great set you guys I'm proud of you all.........
**Viewer Discretion Advised** Many innocent trees were killed in the making of this video. IRL must have been one hell of a night for all those involved.
They'll grow back.
I actually love how it calculates the money and stuff for what it costs but it doesn't really show the cost of the fuel and the maintenance and everything else that goes along with these ships and aircraft
It's also not providing a count of how many people are pulled off their partner by an untimely alert
A chance to practice these skills and strategies: priceless.
Thank you. Helps a lot with my thinking on these things.
Great work all, can't wait to watch!
I read that the US aircraft involved were 2 squadrons of F15e's (494th and 335th).
As a sidebar comment, I first started watching you folks with your Ghost of Kyiv simulation. It took me about 4 months to realize Grump was not actually Ukrainian... [That is why I am in the Intelligence branch!]
Haha - his Russian accent is absolutely terrible 😂
I'm 100% on team Dark / Canonball!! All that "you shot me down blah blah" is clearly what a dead person would say 😂 #lastmanstanding #expectingabuseandbanning
Nicely done on literally zero notice.
I was waiting for this, thanks
I think Joshua had it right, "The only winning move is not to play."
Winning comment my friend - Bibi and Iranians needs to lower their pride
I love your vids, have you ever heard of the football war? Apparently El Salvador and Honduras had a spat in the '60s in which WWII surplus P51s were pitted against F4U Corsairs. I'd love to see you guys replicate this odd air battle. Thanks!
Cap, UNSI reported that two Arleigh Burkes based in the eastern med used SM3s for the first time to intercept "four to seven" Iranian ballistic missiles so your recreation is accurate!
Amazing! World first.
Amazing recreation ❤❤❤
Depending on the variant and it's subvariant an AIM-9 can cost anywhere from 200,000 - 400,000
I like how nearly flawless the no-air communications mission was for GR and then you have full coms mission and they kill each other the whole time lol.
I do think the probability to kill is completely off for several of the blue force missiles because I am pretty sure there weren't that many fired.
The game models a fixed percentage for each weapon that will automatically miss to reflect technical reliability and make it more realistic (rather than every shot being a guaranteed kill), however its likely that there would in real life be a lower failure rate against non-manoeuvring drones than jets.
The last part AA drone attacks wasn't well planed out, you guys should be in a very slow(210knt) open and low formation behind the drones, the way of the attack was a bit all over the place without knowing friends from foes, anyways nice to see how it played out in a game, here real Portuguese air force F-16 pilot, love the channel Grim.
That is so surreal. Seeing this happen literally over my house.
And you are not target they attract on airbase
Israeli here, Good to see that you posted a video so soon after.
GJ ! 👍
thx
That's why IAF has a big stash of Aim7s. Fat Amy used Fox-2 and IRST. They had sectors of cover so they were not merged with each other like this. I fell asleep 20 minutes before it started, missed the show.
Yup we should have carried sparrows.
Not much heat coming from Shahed drones.
eurofighter mentioned rahhhh
Eurofighter best fighter.
@@grimreapers thank you very much
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From what I heard, apparently, most of the projectiles were intercepted between the Israelis, UK & US with there only being a single casualty which I can't recall if it was a fatality or not. Needless to say, once again, the insane capability of modern air defense systems has been put on display for all to see. Iran didn't really accomplish anything apart from providing everyone with valuable data on further enhancing future missile/drone interception. Insane stuff really.
Don’t forget the Jordanians they pulled their weight on this one
I hear Saudi Arabia got in on the action as well.
Fascinating sim. Be interesting to see if the real pilots had similar headaches with drones.
you guys are crazy😂 love it!!
Didnt we already see this tested Saturday night? lol
Good video cap, to keep from shooting one other, stay in a line formation space 100 to 300 meter apart. Or, you can use only Aim-7. Set a altitude for the aircraft shoot up or down at your targets. Again great video. P.S. What became your NICS investigation?
I don’t watch the news. I come here
As an israeli that sat in the shelter because of that attack , and love your videos , thanks so much for recreating it !
Israel is a truly impressive country, but I fear the worldwide reaction doesn't see the real danger that Iran represents. 9+ ballistic missiles getting through is incredibly alarming. The nature of swarm attacks is very scary if Iran is able to equip their ballistic missiles with nuclear warheads. I am saddened Israel has to stand mostly alone, while we all banded together to fight ISIS back in the day.
@@SeanChYT Yo i appriciate the time it took you to write this 🤣 . but the fact they shot 120 balistic missiles and only 9 through , is insane. no other country in the world have ever faced this type of threats , and managed to intercept 111 balistic missiles , 150 drones , and 30 - 50 other missiles. iran is really dangerous , but we have usa , britian , france , jordan , and more countries that are with us , defending , and maybe attacking. peace!
As a Christian in Texas I pray for y'all's safety every day ❤
@@shanetait7388 Thanks !
Stop playing victim genocidal twats.
The US used F-15s. F-15E Strike Eagles from the 494th and 335th Fighter Squadrons downed several Iranian drones during the recent attack on Israel.
LAKENHEATH REPRESENT!
Lakenheath best heath.
It's important to point out that military sites were NOT the exclusive targets of the Iranian attack (even if a few somewhat did make it to military targets). This is not a political statement; this is a statement of fact. I get that [thankfully] politics is not the purpose of this channel, but material facts are relevant for proper context.
Roger but figured we best stick to military for the vid.
Would love to see the fighter jets replaced with Apache Helicopters with anti air missiles. I saw you guys testing out what would be the best Helicopter to use against drones and I would be interested to compare the results to the fighter aircraft. On Paper it should be a hell of a lot cheaper. Thanks for your hard work!!!
IIRC the IDF uses a pretty sophisticated IFF system on the Iron Dome system to prevent friendly fire incidents... at least with IAF aircraft.
Track, identify, identify/confirm, track, verify, fire
I'm impressed the Shaheed drones can stay in the air that long and go that far.
The Iranian Shahed 136 drone has a much long range than the WW2 German V1 flying bomb, and tremendously better reliability and accuracy. But it also has a tremendously smaller warhead than the V1 (only 50 kg compared to the V1's 850 kg), and it is much slower (only 115 mph top speed compared to the V1's 400 mph).
Why? Don’t think they have any engineers in Iran
Why? Did you think Camels and donkeys would deliver them?
@@MM-dm4xj because that's a long way to go for a Terg Mob of trash drones to go. Mostly they'd been used from Russia to Ukraine or the Gulf of Aiden to the Gulf of Aiden. Seems like they're near gliders, which is impressive in its own way.
@timonsolus it's range around 2500km what the fk are you saying
Great video! I wonder if having a higher frame rate makes missiles more accurate.
I may be wrong but the rendering and the actual calculation are separate, that's why you can get desynch. So shouldn't be the case
Modify the aging A10s to accommodate a gun that can target and fire on drones automatically. Could even have the A10s flown remotely.
Few missiles, lots of bullets and extra fuel tanks so they can stay aloft. So an airborne automatic drone killing machine.
I'll be watching a little later but, regardless of the DCS results, we know they can/did IRL.
yup, even though Israel seems to downplay the results quite a bit
@@Mgaming61The results of the attack or the results of the defense? Because what I know of the post strike assessment is there was almost no damage to anything... So calling the result insignificant is hardly downplaying the results.
@@a24396 As the famous saying goes 'they would say that'.
Satellite shows at least two runways seriously damaged.
@@paulmarten40 seriously? they got repaired in less than a day lmfao
@@paulmarten40 Do you have a source for those pictures?
I wonder if the older sparrow missiles would not perhaps have been better suited for such a scenario. They DON't have a mind of their own and thus will only go after a target that the mother plane has got locked up. In the case that the lock is lost they won't\can't re-acquire a random target, thereby eliminating the chance of them going after friendlies on their own. Unless, the PILOT actually makes an error and locks the wrong target...
OR
Change the rules of engagement... EVERYONE HAS to hold fire while flying AROUND the drones by a radius of at least 5 miles. Then, slot-in behind the drones and take them out from the rear. Planes already at the rear of the drones should fly in a "line-abreast" formation (roughly), to avoid anyone from going out in front on their own. If anyone does go out in front of the others on his own, he only has himself to blame...
Certainly doable and having everyone coming in from the same angle (i.e. from the rear of the drones) is probably the safest way to do it. It would also ensure that no-one gets in the line of fire from the IRON dome and the targets.
The IFF mode 4 plus the awcs would help mostly... But I'm guessing from 20 yr old knowledge...
Doesn't IFF help with friendly fire?
Not with this type of missile.
IRL the AIM-120 can be actively guided(up to 6 of them) by the Launching aircraft so it doesn't switch targets IVR. BVR can be a Crap shoot if friendlies are out there. Trick is the launching Aircraft NEEDS to keep a target lock, not switch away. The moment the launching aircraft stops guiding it like it's an AIM-7(passive radar only) it starts aiming at the closest thing it can find with the biggest radar signature. Not sure if DCS models this behavior or these guys are deploying them incorrectly.
They indeed do it, well some came through.
should have used david sling too, it can also intercept ballistics
"Why won't aliens visit us?"
When someone wants to have some oil for themselves: 7:32
6:20 99%, 95 was highest until then
34:07 - practice and preparations!
How about using Spitfires & P-51'D's you may get a better chance at the drones, just an idea though, me-262's might also be interesting these could tackle the Cruise missiles maybe?
Nicely done if otherwise, 98% taken down compared to the 99% from RL, very very well done!
Tocano
I am noting a lot of failures from Fox 3 missiles here. On Ate Chuets' debrief of the actual attack, he noted that airplanes sent up to destroy the incoming stuff were equipped with AIM7 Sparrows. He commented that the Sparrows, probably because they rely on the planes' more powerful radar, had a higher PK on drones and small targets. Maybe you should try it out? Also, because they are guided by the mother plane for a higher duration, you might have less friendly fire?
Finally, fun fact I got from his video: princess Salma of Jordania might have participated in shooting down drones in her F-16. And... She didn't ruin her F-16 like Cap did. ;-)
I was watching a video earlier today, it was from 2016 and it was showing US military testing drone swarms deployed from fighter jets.
I think thats the future, why fire missiles when you can just send up a swarm of flying AI hand grenades.... If a missile misses, its scrap metal... if a drone misses, it just flys home and recharges.... and you can get 1000 of them for the price of your basic missile.
I'm happy to see the military types were on the ball, I only really thought of drones as a useful weapon in about 2018.
Not a relevant or useful comment, but.... For the algorithm!
We'll find out soon...
In real life 30-50% fail on the way up from Iran. DCS everything fires perfectly, Irans less than ideal ballistic missiles have an almost 50% fail rate lol.
Question (from an uninformed individual): could you put IFF transponders on fox 3 missiles so it knows not to track friendlys?
17:50 I'm pretty sure it's traditional to launch the sidewinder before taking the drone down with it ;)
CAP: "Fox-4"
Re the cost difference on shooting $20k drones with $500k+ missiles, it’s something that has to be shot down, but with DragonFire and new laser air defence at £10 a pop, that’s going to spin the difference on its head if it’s effective
Laser systems have real problems with clouds weather. Easy for enemy to eliminate threat with a bit of planning
I should ask on discord but I'm here so hopefully I'll get help... is the scoreboard a mod? how do I get that scoreboard showing?
Wouldn’t most of the ac be carrying mostly fox2s’. F16i’s and f15i would probably be carrying pythons 4/5s?
Why the f are there tax filling commercials after the final cut off date?
For the next year :)
For the millions of late filers
Great video.....
let's give Peace a Chance
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Well we know they did get through. The drones and cruise missiles were AD fodder. But I saw a video of multiple missile impacts at the airbase.
Which were non-effectual or whatever you call that. A few divots on a taxiway, repaired almost immediately
@@BoraHorzaGobuchul but it's warn you think about real war and you can see it's effective
@@galaxymyt4834 if you imply that "it was only a warning, in a real war they'd've knocked it out" think again. The "warning" was quite large-scale and expensive. Not even sure they could pull it off again without a long cooldown :)
In Tehran IRL: "Told you we should have fired 351."
lol
How did yall get the Red and Blue kill counts and the Taxpayer Cost on the top right of the screen? That is awesome and I would love to have it on my game. It would make my game 100x better! Please share.
Where to get that mods shown on the top right of the screen showing statistics
You guys going to try out dragonfire somewhen?
36:40 i assume a lot of wheels are turning quite fast currently to find cheaper ways to deal with drones.
I do NOT say this to degrade the man for his accent. BUT, for the LONGEST time I watched his videos and every time he said "THATS AN ORDER", I thought he was saying "THATS AN HORS D'OEUVRE". I was like, wtf is he talking about... But no. He was just pronouncing "order" like "Or-DERR" with a hard "R".
Which, to me (what with my bad hearing) was interpreted as him saying "That's a small snack served before dinner, typically at cocktail parties".
And similarly, I thought, for a long time, that "Hello valued viewers" was "Hello VALLEY viewers". Like, I THOUGHT he had given his viewers a nickname, and I was wondering for the longest time what the "Valley" was. I wondered if it was a reference to the videos where they fly as fast as possible through mountain valleys dodging AA guns and missiles or something.
But no. My stupid deaf ass ears were just hearing him wrong.
lol this has been my Ted talk, thank you for listening.
I have voice problems so sometimes can be hard to understand me.
Afaik it's intentional.
@@grimreapers Just to be clear, boss; I LIKE your content, and this wasn't meant as any form of criticism. I just thought that my assumptions about what you were saying were so wrong, and ridiculous, that it was funny.
The answer to the friendly fire question is ABMs, both ground-based and airborne
Given how slow the Shahed drones fly, how effective would WWII era fighters be against them? Might be a much more cost-effective versus AMRAAMs, Patriot, and Iron Dome Arrow missiles?
The US has 2 squadrons air born when it started, US has patriots in Iraq and Syria that were used as weapons moved across towards Israel, Jordan and UK airforce, plus Jordanian air defense, most was taken out before ever reaching Israeli air space.
Good joke but how they hit one of the must important airbase in israel
What bet did Simba lose to have to fly a bog!?
(i think i may have been the one that got him to enunciate valued instead of valley)
That was fun and cool, but now you need to see if you can do it at night! lol
The problem with DCS is everything works pretty much the way the manufacturers and propagandists say the will. Not much has been said by either side that apparently half of the ballistic missiles either didn't launch or blew up shortly after launch.
sauce?
Cap as someone who was on the ground watching this shit unfold above my head, dcs seems to have done the fireworks justice
awesome cap ,my favorite part is the taxpayers costs for these wonderful wargames!!!luv ya
Not so fun for US taxpayers funding Israeli wars
Feels very Battlestar Galatica.
15:30 wouldn’t it be more cost effective for these planes to be equipped with directed energy lasers such as THOR
If would, had it been fielded
@@BoraHorzaGobuchul somebody’s about to get fired
Dealing with irl. Not many of them got through. Iran had to tell the countries around it that it was going to happen. So everyone knew it was coming. Then Jardon has deals with Israel. The only reason it did anything. Israel will have to do the same if it does anything back. As both countries have to fly into other countries airspace.
So Jordan and Iraq are now the referees and both sides have to ask permission to shoot each other?
Interesting timeline we're on
I would assume the missiles and raider would be programmed to target only a specific aircraft type such as cruise missiles and drones.
The coalition forces didn’t even allow most missiles/drones to enter the Israeli airspace, insane lol
Can you do a download guide to the shahed 136 and the balistic missile????
I think the in-game ABM defence is overstimated and this video kinda prooves it too.
IRL ~120 BM were launched from Iran, but as US officials said about half of them failed on launch or during flight and didn't have to be intercepted. Also we know that 7 of them leaked through. So 7/60 leaked from a combination of Aegis SM3, arrow 2 and 3 and patriots in Iraq in one of the most well protected airbases on earth with layered AD from an attack that was expected and everyone was on 100% alert and ready for it.
Here in game 3/120 leaked and the simulated missle was DF26 which definetly is much harder to intercept than anything Iran fired on Israel yesterday. Also on many occasions in the game senarios you simulate "surprise attacks" so that would bring interception rates even lower. So yeah...in order to make the game more realistic some parametrs of the balistic missles and the ABM defence have to be tweaked.
did the drones got a physics modell? if yes maybe try flip them with the wing like the british did with V1 missiles? :)
Sadly not :(
@@grimreapers thanks anyways ;)