Can you spot the difference? GV60 on the E-GMP Platform.
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- The GV60 is the first Genesis built on EV Global Modular Platform. (E-GMP).
in this video Jordan Arocha puts the Genesis GV60 up on the hoist and shares the slight differences between it and the Hyundai Ioniq 5 we did a teardown on earlier this year
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So when a bearing goes bad you have to pay the OEM $1000 for their stupid combined half shaft.
You are not supused to replace it. That wheelbearing is probably designed to last the "life of the car" (10 years or something like that) It's just geting worse, soon all new cars will be desposable like a washingmachine. Batterys computers and everything will be too complicated and expensive to repair.
They have worked to create a world where no one wants a car out of warranty.
So all cars get the cost saving, the few that fail in the bearing get the cost hit. Fair enough.
@@mrm1885bearings are a wear part. They’re not meant to last forever.
@@anderspedersen542 OEM saves $20 on assembly so the user has to buy an obscure part instead of getting their own bearing in ten years. Brilliant.
I can listen to this guy all day long :) Thank you!
BTW i love if the bloopers are incorporated, not at the end, but during the actual "script block".
It conveys how much effort content creators go thru to make quality content.
Nothing we do is scripted.
Thanks, I am glad to see the difference . The Genesis representatives told us, but now we see it.
I’m curious to see if the ionic 5 N and the EV6 top performance trim have a virtual ball system or the use the single stamp steel control arm ?
A: yes, these are the premium components fitted to both the 6-GT and 5-N. Hyundai has showed them during the tech talk portion of the Press Intros.
If you look at the two hubs, the GV has the two ball joints.. the Ioniq has the one.. BUT.. look at the placement... the Ioniq has it almost directly under the wheel bearing area of the hub. The GV has it substantially inboard.. but two.. I bet if you draw out the intersecting lines of the two ball joints.. they end up right where the single ball joint is on the Ioniq.. right under the wheel bearing.
BUT you would gain substantial strength and probably better life span with the two joints.. they will experience half the stress, and less motion in the joint also.
I wonder on the wheel bearing being incorporated into the half shaft.... could help reduce salt and debris getting onto the wheel bearing from the back side.. in the rust belt you see a lot of wheel bearing failures.. but not the bearing itself.. the ABS tone ring will disintegrate.. and require the bearing to be replaced... so maybe less often replacement.. but I bet more costly when it does need to be done.
Super Video...as always. Question : how can the wheel steer with this TWO Balljoints side by side ?????
See this video for an animation: "Virtual Steering Axis Front Suspension Found in CarSim". Essentially the lower control arms do not move much. But the small movement they do is allowed by large rubber bushings on the steel subframe side of the two lower control arms.
are you saying that if one of the rear wheel bearing fails you have to replace the half shaft ? if it's the case this is stupid imagine the cost of a wheel bearing replacement. ?
They probably calculate the wheel bearing lasts about as long as the half shaft. There's risks involved in that of course - if the calculation turns out incorrect or there's variation in quality, the customer pays more. It does lower the initial cost though.
I would love to see a short video of that double balljoint set up moving as the wheel is turned. I presume the rear curved arm pivots at its inboard bushing?
Yes, it does.
Thank you for providing information the average viewer would not know or understand. 👍
I could use a Munro video that explains how suspension works.
Yes. So there so many types yet I don’t really know or understand the difference.
I’m really curious if you could look at an EV6 GT vs. the regular EV6 AWD and do a video like this. Also curious what parts may be shared between the EV6 GT and the GV60 “Performance” like brakes, adaptive dampers, etc.
I just looked at my EV6 GT’s front suspension components and it looks like they use these same aluminum parts with the double lower arms vs. the stamped steel from the Ioniq 5. Not sure if all EV6s use this design or just the GT.
Jordan, can you try to explain some the engineering in more layman terms without all of the specific buzz words that are used by engineers versed in the topic. For example, the explanation of the use of the virtual ball joint vs the Ionic. I know that I got lost as you kept adding all the specific terms that not many of us layman understand. Good video, keep them coming.
What the goal of a virtual ball joint is doing is to get the pivot point of the wheel in the middle of the tire contact patch on the ground. So when you turn the steering wheel the tires pivot about that virtual pivot point rather than a point further in which would make the tire scrub on the ground more. The benefit is a better steering feel, better high speed stability, and less bump steer (the wheel direction changing as it goes over a bump in the road). But it costs more, so it tends to be on more expensive vehicles that tout their driving dynamics (e.g. BMW, Audi, etc).
@@morrisg thanks for the simple explanation.
Please can you guys start putting TIME STAMP on your videos plsss.funny enough it get you more views
Ahem…. The engineers…. He OR she please. (My daughter will thank me) ;-)
Question: Could a consumer swap in the control arms and ball joint from a GV60 onto their Ionic to improve the ride quality or are the mounting points different?
The knuckles are $1400 each side, $1300 per side for the control arm set so it would be over $5000, assuming it would fit.
Nice thumbnail.
Thanks!
Now he's got Jordan's doing "at the end of the day".
Good reporting Jordan and very good videoing, great work!
Much appreciated!
Great video Jordan, thank you. You guys sure know your stuff. I have a 2023 Genesis Electrified GV70, which I absolutely love. Is there any chance Munro Live could do an under-chassis review of the Electrified GV70? Would really appreciate it.
Helpful review, thank you! But actually, the integrated drive shaft is always on the rear for E-GMP. No front solution on Ioniq 6 or any other!
I enjoyed the Halloween evolution from "creature comforts" to "creature features". 😅
See the cracks on the virtual ball joint? Yikes!
Yes, I also found that very distracting and extremely concerning since it could mean gas inclusions/voids in the casting which could lead to a catastrophic failure especially if it suddenly came apart at Interstate speeds causing the vehicle to barrel roll down the highway at 60+ MPH. Then again those types of Quality Escapes are what I've come to expect from the parent company.
When I see things like that I tell the client about it and advise them not to drive the vehicle until the manufacturer remediates it. I would really dislike it if a client was injured or died in an accident that I could have prevented just by speaking up.
In the big scheme of things that part does not cost the manufacturer that much and should not have passed inspection. Then again if a Robot installed it on the assembly line would it have even noticed?
Best!
Its not crack its grease
Thank you.
You're welcome!
Any idea when Hyundai/Kia/Genesis will transition from the E-GMP to the new IMA platform?
I think it said starting to transition in 2025, so I would guess some 2026 models would be the first. But maybe a few more years to move the entire line over all of them won't switch to the new platform at the same time.
Can you guys do one on electric yard equipment?
What's the schmutz below the half shafts at the front?
Thanks, that was good.
Glad you enjoyed it
Eric at 12:01
"...you want me to what?"
Money not well spent. Spend the money where the customer notices it. The best part is no part. The best process is no process.
The customer will notice the virtual ball. It does make the car feel less like a shopping cart and more like a BMW.
Smart presentation
Hyundai/Kia manufacturing philosophy is quite different than Tesla’s - Tesla is much more ruthless about eliminating variants that add cost
@bartwaggoner2000 Nope, the Model 3 (lowest priced Tesla) has two ball joints and a virtual pivot point design. Go check out the Motortrend suspension analysis of the new Highland Model 3 if you're interested..
@@morrisg interesting! I bet that they spend less money overall even though it is a more expensive design as they have more economy of scale by not having to have 2 separate manufacturing processes…
Tesla decides on the segment and sticks to it. The Model 3 is a budget premium car and the suspension, the only variant of it that exists, targets that segment, and that segment only.
Respect for your content
what I noticed with Munro they are really good a saving the manufacture money on the assembly part but the owner perspective not so much yes it will save the manufacture money in the short term but not in warranty work if components are not replaceable individualy like this example of the rear wheel bearing of a battery pack that can't be open for servicing or repair look at the old model S they are having issues with water ingress the pack is servicable unlike the newer Tesla cars it all good until the factory warranty is on but once the warranty is over this is where the problem starts.
Loved the video. At 8:37 was that a crack in the casting?
Hopefully a casting blemish only on the surface.
I thought the same at first. It looks more like some black goo in some other part of the manufacturing process had a thin filment that draped on these parts.
Very good sir
Thanks
Cheers guys
Cheers
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TOO MANY MEETINGS 😂 JORDAN …THANK YOU AND THE MUNRO TEAM FOR SHARING THE DIFFERENCES 🧐 Yep, interesting, but retired, and I hope others take advantage of it 👍💚💚💚
Glad you enjoyed it
I see that the video editor "loves" you :)))))))))
The video editor missed to include the picture of a wheel bearing, when Jordan asked for it. 😀
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First! 🎉
Yes you are!
MUNRO live - GV60 is an OK 2nd gen EV car from HYUNDAI group.
the GiMP platform was the First (Ionic FC, eNIRO, KONA ).
but, the GV60 is too HEAVY, too SLOW , inefficient and uses too many Parts & Processes.
its too Expensive for Genesis to build & sustain SALES. LIMITED north American LUX car market.
Interest Rates are too high , to even LEASE a GV60 .
TESLA is on a TREND in lowering ASP , and granting access to MORE of the Population.
the Model 3 RWD is only $31,500 in some states. far below USA ASP.
Hyundai group needs to start using Cylindrical battery cells (safer), Structural battery pack and Gigacasting.
its Current EV (GV60, Ioniq 5,6,7, EV6 and EV9) are still OVERWEIGHT , slow , poor PERFORMANCE.
Spoken like a true true Tesla fangirl
@@ouch1011 - the Genesis is a FLOP, doesn't even sell 10k in the USA , Lame.
Gv60 too slow? What have you been smoking? 😂
@@ouch1011ikr😂
@@markplott4820You do realize Genesis EV has only been out for couple years, not 12 years like Tesla? How many did Tesla sell in its 2nd year? They didn’t even have a luxury EV back then. Or are you just a brain dead Tesla fan girl?