FASTEST "beginner bike" Speed 400 vs Scrambler 400x review
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- Опубліковано 17 тра 2024
- Is 400cc actually too much bike for a beginner rider?? Triumph launched the Speed 400 and Scrambler 400x motorcycles to appeal to a new generation of riders, but these bikes are actually really fast and have a lot of torque down low. Watch your wrist new riders, you've been warned...
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00:00 Introduction
01:12 Triumph Speed 400 first impressions
09:30 Pricing of the Speed and Scrambler
10:25 Triumph Scrambler 400x first impressions
16:57 Is 400cc too much for a beginner? - Авто та транспорт
Nice review, good to see new content.
I took the MSF at a local Harley shop, and during a break I told the instructor I was pondering a 300cc to get started. She said "Well, you're riding a 500cc here. Does that seem like too much power? Just be respectful of the power of whatever your bike is, and you should be fine." I bought a MT-07 two weeks later and love it.
So he left out the detail that they detune those 500s to the equivalent of a 250 to comply with MSF standards?
Not in the US .@@RebelCowboysRVs
The Speed 400 looks perfect for city and laid-back twisty riding.
This is the best review I have seen so far thank you. Appreciated the silent moments to hear the exhaust as well!
Thanks so much! ❤️
Great review……honestly if a new rider is present, stays aware and was taught correctly they should do just fine on either bike. I think a throttle that is a fly by wire is harder to deal with for a new rider more than anything. It’s makes riding a bike with low end grunt jumpy in a new rider’s hand until they are comfortable with it.
These are definitely looking like really great bikes for a huge variety of riders.
I think so too, new riders should be smooth on the throttle when learning and experienced riders can just rip it and have fun lol
Glad to you’re back & creating new content.
All beginners are different. This seems like a good entry point for someone with the right budget and a reasonable sense of self preservation. The ABS and Traction control may be able to help newer riders avoid serious mistakes.
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Haha I love that
For real?
Yes for real, for real.@@sagarchawla8145
Very good! I like your style and delivery and content. I look forward to more. I picked up my speed 400 this past week and love it. And I have been riding 62 years!
oooh new video!! Ty lali u need to do more of this in youtube!!
Like always, enjoyed your video. Hope you get more out soon.
Thanks for posting an interesting review. I have a few bikes one of them is a "400" street bike with a single cylinder engine from a different manufacturer. I have to say, I think this is likely to be a continuingly growing, if not already, massive market. The lighter bikes are very much better in the city and with just enough power to keep up with the traffic on the highway for short trip. Across a country, that's where you need a bigger bike, but for every day convenience, this is the sweet spot for bike size and weight.
Cheers. My wife (60) is planning to get her first bike and a deeper dive from a woman's perspective would be very helpful. Great review.
Glad it was helpful!
I past my test on a 125 in 1970 in the good old days when the RAC and the police did the training, a week later I was riding cx 500 , with continuation training with the same instructors which was brilliant. Now I’m a oldie with Iam training of 30 years and Still learning a. Nice vlog and with experience you don’t need 180 bhp on a bike , you’ll only ever need it if you go on a race track , I’ve done 140 mph and didn’t enjoy it ,.
Guess who back, back again Lali back tell a friend . Those new Triumph are cool looking bikes 💯✌️🤟🤘
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Great review! We've missed our Lali. Shoutout to Valencia Spain great looking ride country.
Really cool I like how smooth the handling was.
I rode a Suzuki 200 van van this might be good upgrade for me
Very good review,clear and to the point thanks.
In my opinion a 400CC is a perfect beginner bike. Started on a CBR500 myself and learned a lot on that bike.
This is great due to the 10k service interval compared to RE. It even costs less when you get it serviced. That is important to me.
Valid points ✅
Thank you for the excellent content.
Missed ya in more new videos Lali
Good work Lali. This bike could be a perfect match for me, coz I'm tired of all the high powered bikes that I have owned. Big thanks!!
When it comes to choosing a beginner bike, engine displacement is just one piece of the puzzle. What truly matters is how that power is managed. It's all about the horsepower and torque delivery to the rear wheel, how smoothly it accelerates, the handling, balance, and overall size of the motorcycle. But let's not forget the rider. Comparing two riders with different ages and body builds on the same bike isn't fair. A petite rider and a larger rider will have vastly different experiences. So, when discussing beginner bikes, it's crucial to consider all these factors to ensure a safe and enjoyable ride for everyone.
My own experience resonates with this. I started riding in 2012 on a Kawasaki GPZ500s, a bike manufactured in 1992. Having held my rider's license since February 2007, my previous riding experience involved occasional short rides on bikes like the Kawasaki ZX9R from '98 and a Honda VFR 750 from '92.
Having all that said... Triumph really nailed it with these 400cc bikes covering really well the requirements of small and larger riders.
Living in the same area as you I'm super jealous that you were jetted off to Europe to ride motos. February is not exactly prime riding season here.
Excellent review btw. Lots of fun for 400 cc.
Yeah it was a bit chilly but I really will not complain 😂
Thanks for your review . I'm deciding between speed 400 and Yamaha r3 . I'm a return rider 2018 . 63 years young and a little height challenged, so speed 400 sounds good. Kind regards, Mark, perth Western Australia .
Awesome video. Starting in the motorcycle world in one of these soon, hopefully. 6'2 here, I guess I'll go with the Scrambler.
NOT a beginner (riding since 1961) Bought one about a month ago for a "play bike". It's a hoot. Absolutely fun to ride on the back roads here in northern Virginia. The saddle sucks after 100 miles or so - but that's not what I bought the bike for. Considering adding the Scrambler version if I can clear up some garage space. 😁
The Speed 400 seems nice. Thanks for the review.
great video !
Very good review, interesting Thumper.
Nice review, this bike will be fun….mine will be delivered in June and will supplement my „old“ Tiger 955. Even thought imprinting for 40 years now, I am still excited. Well, 40 HP are somewhat fitting…ride safely, Regards from Hamburg, Germany
Hi Lali, you were right! You had a vid in the works and here it is as promised. How sweet, you were able to go to Spain and ride! Looked like a great time and yes, gorgeous!! I haven’t rode a bike in years so I can’t be helpful for you on your question to leave my thoughts in a comment. But another great video! You did very well on your review and I’m sure it helps those who may be considering getting something. Anyways, take care Lalipop and stay safe!! Best wishes! 😉😆👍❤️ spring should right around the corner!!
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@@AntiParallali Welcome! It was a really well done video. Want to clarify something… Not sure if you got my Lalipop play on words thing or not? I got to thinking that maybe I should have included more to it, to make sense. I first used it when I asked you the question about posting vlogs, in the comments on your short vid you posted. You answered stating it was to cold to ride, which I agreed with forgetting about being winter time. That’s when I put the Lalipop and not freezing because if you did, it would make you a Lalipopsicle. See?? 😉😆 tc
Sat on the scrambler, it's suprisingly big, and i'm 6ft3 with long legs. Not bad!
Strange, we have spring here in Scandinavia and your weather still looks better !?. Soon, its biking time.Take care. ❤️👍
I spent most of my riding time on a 250 cc dual sport, then did some riding on torquey little 59HP 350cc sport bike, which seemed a lot, at the time. I was uncomfortable in the more tucked riding position, narrow bars, fairing and, at the time had not had any instructions, experience, or license (oops). Now I am legal and getting back to it. The MSF was cake. I plan on going higher in displacement on my next bike 700 to 900cc's and take the time to get to know it. I also plan to take more advanced classes than just the minimum required. I'm sure I would be quite happy on the 400 scrambler. I know that particular type of fun, extracting all the joy out of a smaller bike. I am intrigued. The price point would, in the short term get me up on two wheels faster with about 80% of my riding needs satisfied. They are very good looking. Thanks Lali.
Just commenting because it helps with the numbers on lali's views so Triumph will take her on more Launches and let her do more reviews.
😂 I love that thank you
Good work lali
It all depends. When I was starting I had trouble riding on 125 and 250, then one lesson my instructor said "try this today" without telling me it's an A2 restricted 600 and I had a perfect lesson. I was riding it for the rest of the course and it felt ideal. It was MT-07. I bought one straight after getting a license and I was very satisfied, I still have it.
You were definitely the type of new rider that has a mindset to handle bigger bikes responsibly! And getting professional instruction is excellent, a fast track to being a great rider for sure
@@AntiParallali Oh, yeah, I was already in my 30s and a little too shy when it came to handling the throttle, that's why high torque motorcycle turned out to be better for me despite the bigger engine. It also lasted quite a while as my skills grew and I allowed myself to ride a bit more dynamically. I still ride very defensively on my XR 900 - got her for her beauty, not for her bigger assets.
I have the XSR 700 they didn't sell the full power over here at the time so I removed the restrictions. I'm 67 and never really stopped riding.
What does A2 restricted mean?
@@HeliNomadic It means it's locked to restrict power so it'd be legal to ride it with A2 driving license (simplification: there's A1 for scooters for teens, A2 for small motorcycles for 18 years old young adults and A for full blown machines for people over 21).
Good Stuff.
I'm in PA too, I'd love to buy a 400x but nobody near me seems to have them in stock, even though the websites say they do. Very annoying.
Hi, good review especially the warning of the low down torq for beginners. as for starter bikes i think anything up to 500cc would be about right, i went straight to a Harley 883 iron, but that's a reasonably easy bike to learn from and forgiving, just have to get use to the weight. it wasn't so bad for me as i have ridden trials bikes for years so knew about balance etc. since then I'm in to my kawasakis and have had a Z1000 and now a Z900RS that's a nice bike but a bit eager at low down revs, but like all bikes you get use to them. yes i think the Triumph 400cc will be a good bike to start on but also a great little commute bike for just knocking around on. keep up the good vids and keep promoting girls to ride bikes .
Great review- love the honest, open questioning approach, cos that is where we are at.
I am male, 68 years old and 5' 10''. Much happier the Speed 400.
Where were you lali? Missed your videos. Thang god you are back.
I would go for the Speed 400, as I don't want tall bikes anymore. Just traded a Super Tenere with 25K mi on it for a Burgman 200--yep I did. Had 2Yamaha scooters B4 the Super T. Looking at bikes now with Cruise Control for longer rides, but will keep the Burgman for intown and short trips. Great video!!
Nice review. I traded in my RE Hunter 350 yesterday for one of these, Speed 400. I thoroughly enjoyed the Hunter, I always thought while riding it, it lacked a little power. This has the power the Hunter lacked, I can flat foot it comfortably. At higher revs / speed the handlebars tend to vibrate / buzz a bit. I’m hoping after the break-in period that will become less. I know after a few thousand miles on the Hunter, the character of the ride changed. The seat could use a little extra padding. Love the way it shifts, clutch is nice, suspension is acceptable. Can’t beat it for the price! Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I love Valencia, lucky lady.
being single cylinder the buzz will stay only a twin or 4 cylinder eliminates that
@@ben9l351 appreciate the input, something to think about.
That's such an amazing opportunity 😮
Thank you for your great review. In reality, 5k can be a lot of money for a lot people (like you said), but really, out the door in US its going to be more like 7k. I wish the US would list OTD prices like most other countries but alas... something to point out to new USA riders.
Lali vid! Let's go! 💯 I think for safety in mind, I think the ladder system we have in Europe is a great way in doing so.
Only objection I have with it, it's that it's too long of a term to be able to proceed to a higher cc bike from like A1. And A2 as well, 35kW is a decent limit to get acquainted to after A1 but also it may be to long as well before you can go full A.
Then again, that probably is different for anyone. Quite some riders have self control and discipline, they are vigilant and like to go on their own pace. Learning throttle control, brake control, cornering control with their own bike besides the lessons or course for the USA. Me included as well, I learned at the lessons, enhanced on that with my own riding and my own bike and I still do. Since I got my bike in June 2023.
Other may not have this and will crash or get in dangerous situations due to this and they can great benefit and get more relax riding a smaller cc bike first.
So to me, people can start on bigger bikes if they have the discipline and respect for it and take their time to learn the bike and the responses.
Once who don't are better of starting on smaller cc's. But less CC doesn't mean less fun you can have a lot of fun on Groms for example. Just 125 cc but loaaads of fun.
Same for the 300,400/500 class bikes. For a lot of people that more then sufficient for their commute or just riding in their free time.
Also awesome place to ride in Spain it seems!
I am really sad, I will have to leave the world of motorcycling because my medical problem returns, I will have to sell my CBR600 RR, I feel too bad, I took great care of her
That is sad but you’re not alone. I am also struggling with health issues that could end riding. Just had surgery and I expect I’ll be ok to ride for another season and hopefully more.
Lali - It'll feel like it has more torque because it's a single cylinder and thus a lower redline (8,500 RPM), so feels like it has 'More punch' than your twin 250 Ninja (14,000 RPM). So compared to your Ninja 250 twin cylinder the spread of torque was over a wider rev range. The Speed 400, with that 8,500 RPM redline has a smaller range to spread that 'Punch'.
I had GPX250 (which Kawasaki then turned into the ZZR250, and later the ZX/Ninja 250 - different markets), and bloody loved it!!! And yeah, with the higher 14,00 RPM redline, you generally had to rev the nuts off it! 🤣🤣 But, I imagine the Speed 400 is one quick, nimble little beastie! 🤔😏👍
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I really wanted to have you compare the speed to spicy boi. I think the lighter weight offsets the power a bit. Pretty solid review.
Great rewview!
My first bike was a Honda FT500 Ascot, which was a pretty good choice for me. I haven’t had a chance to test either of these yet, but they seem ideal for both new riders and anyone who likes having a smaller option in the garage. (So, don’t assume these will all go to new riders. Some of us more seasoned riders are eyeing them, too.) 😁
Lali, at first I was upset. You came to Spain and you didn't visit me! Then I realised you were at the other end of Spain, so I forgive you.
I rather like the look of the Speed 400. I reckon it would suit me as a retirement bike. I mean a lighter bike that will be easier to handle as I get older (currently 69 years old riding a BMW K75).
Nice presentation Lali.
Thank you for the excellent video. Looks like Triumph has hit the mark.
My first bike, was a 1250cc Sportster S.
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Both really nice bikes. Are they suitable for new riders? Possibly, but as always it depends on the rider’s right hand control. Great review tho. Looks as though you had fun.. 😊
I started out on a Suzuki GSXR 750 many moons ago, so no i do not think 400cc is too much for beginner and Triumph build great bike for beginners as well for seasoned riders. Brilliant video by the way..!! 👍🏼
Nice one Lali. Thank you. 400’s (or bikes around this) are perfect beginner bikes. One reason is due to legal restrictions in basically every other country apart from the land of the free. However, if here are hardly the quickest in this section. Just about average which is a good thing. 250’s if you have zero experience would be safer however lack a bit to escape a dangerous situation.
I'm an old guy with bad knees. I just traded my heavy Harley Davidson for a Honda SCL500 Scrambler. Perfect bike for me and the kind of riding I do. I love the torque it has at the lower rpms. I hardly ever hafta use brakes when slowing down.
As an older rider, I would have loved to have tried one out as I restarted my riding experience - at 66 years old. Basic is good. This motorcycle is backed up by Triumph and built beautifully by Bajaj Auto. I ended up with a middleweight cruiser, which I've converted into an everyday commuter (Kawasaki Vulcan S). This bike, to serve the same purpose, would need a windscreen at the very least. I've also added crash bars - things happen even though I haven't dropped it yet. It does have a lovely roll-on character on faster highways that I doubt a 400 cc thumper could match. Interstate 70 has a 70 MPH speed limit in spots.
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I started on a 1925cc (Harley Road King special 117ci 😅) and will say it was scary. Should have started like you Loli and learned more before handling a big bike
While I don't remember what bike I rode during my MSF course (I assume it was probably around the 200-300 range), my first bike three months after the course was a Kawasaki Vulcan 900. Initially, I was intimated by that much power (and weight), but because it is such a low bike, I found it incredibly easy to ride, and I didn't feel at any time that it was too much power (plus, I was 41, so I was past the point of thinking I was invincible and wanting to always go fast). I know own a KLR 650 (two actually) and a Suzuki DRZ-400. For me, that power range seems perfect, and I fully intend on adding the 400X (and maybe even an SV650) to my stable. Not having ridden the 400/400X and experiencing the low-down torque, that might not be ideal for new riders, but from all of the reviews that I've seen of these bikes, they seems like they'd be not only good to gain experience on, but something to grow into and be happy with down the road. I am certainly looking forward to getting the 400X.
Handlebar have vibration? How it is the comfort for the hands? Thanks in advance: my girlfriend have some problems on the handa and she could ride motorbike with low/absent vibration to the handlebar.. :(
Sorry for the english, i am italian
No handle bar vibration. It felt good. You may need to adjust the levers up or down a little to fit her hand position preference but that is it.
I live in india and bought a speed 400 recently, absolutely love it.
Is the green light a 'headlight on' indicator? Looks like a neutral light 🙁
Started on a CBR125 and jumped too a 600 first time I twisted the throttle the rear stepped out. recovered though.. not 93 recovery but not bad lol
You should also try to get your hands on the new Harley Davidson x440
I love the fact that you're a science PhD candidate and have experience designing experiments. Not wanting to make many comparisons after only one ride each. Nice!
my first bike was a 2006 ninja 250 and I thought it was way more peppy that most people said. I rode it 25,000 miles so I don't think im a noob, even though i haven't ridden for 15 years. I have been considering the z400 or emiminator 400 but was just told about the speed 400 and I like it.
Seriously considering buying it as my first bike! I’m 5’2 😅😅
What do you mean by sitting on top of the suspension? Bum over rear tire? Sitting over the forks?
As in, when you sit on a bike, it's supposed to compress a certain amount under your weight. Since most bikes are factory tuned for an average male that's 170lbs or more, that means when I sit on a bike since I'm 120lbs I don't compress the suspension as much because it wasn't tuned for my weight class, I sit "on top" of it instead of comfortably "in" it, if that makes sense...
How much is the Stealership markup in the USA? What is the price out the door for a 400 Speed?
I'm really not sure, wouldn't it depend on the dealership? The price tag I listed is what Triumph said their bikes would be sold for but Idk if that includes taxes fees etc...
I recommend starting on a single or twin under 40 hp. I would have gotten the Triumph Scrambler 400 if it was available when I got my Kawasaki KLX300SM, but my bike is great for what it is. I definitely find that vibration and highway wind bothers me more than others through, so my next bike will likely be a Triumph Daytona/Tiger 660 or a Honda CBR650R.
3 or 4 cylinder engines and fairings
Ok since you have tried the speed 400 you have to try KTM 390 2024 version and right after that the Husqvarna 401 2024.
And the cf Moto nk 450. Just to have a wide range of what a motorcycle sub 450 cc is supposed be.
Speed 400 - I did the test ride yesterday and loved the motorcycle. Good torque, flexible, and light. It's also a very beautiful bike
Wow Scrambler 400x is so expensive in your country. I think You said you will have to pay 5000 dollar. But Scrambler 400x price is 3143.94 dollar in my country (India) Last year I bought Pulsar f250 its a good bike but as I m traveling like 6000 to 8000 kilometer in a single trip so now i think i should go for at least 400cc bike. May be next year I will buy my another bike but I am little confuse between scram 400 and Bajaj Dominar 400. Actually I just love Dominar 400 but the only one thing is making me little worried abt Dominar that It is so Heavy. anyway Nice video friend. Have a wonderful evening.
Looks like the 400's are not available in the US yet? Even if they were at an MSRP of $5k, out the door they would be closer to $7K after all of the destination, dealer prep, TT&L, and various fees.
can you review duke 390?
I was a new rider (still am, really) and I started with a rebel 1100, I think it's just fine. I think it all depends on the individual.
Any bike can be a beginner bike. The only thing that needs to be considered is IQ
Lali I think a 400 would be fine for a beginner that has driven a manual car and is very athletic. But I think that a 250 or smaller would be a better choice for most people to start out on. Those Triumph;s look like to be some very nice and fun bikes to ride.
You have just the opposite problems that I have. My knees get into the handlebars and saying that. When I get folded up with my feet on the pegs my toes almost drag the ground. Also if the bike has a raised back on the seat where the pillion/ passenger rides I set right on the lip between both. Don’t know if being tall or short is worse.
Omg yeah the opposite problem is bad too! 🫣
400 is not too much. As long as the power is approachable and controllable with a little practice. Also bear in mind that you are tiny, the riders taller than you are likely to weight more as well and that is going to smooth things out on the power through inertia alone. The upside is that you won’t also outgrow it in 3 months like you might a 250 or 300cc bike.
It said you have a 31 inch inseam. I am 5'8" and I have a 30 inch inseam. I get both feet on the ground and I ride a 2013 Honda Goldwing F6B it fits me well. If you ever go for a bike that big try a goldwing you may be surprised by how well you can fit in one.
Muito bem, já estou esperando chegar a minha aqui no Brasil bjs 😘❤🌹🙏
Scramblers ftw 🤠
my 1st bike was a Suzuki GS750
thanks...for a man of 180 cm is it too small the 400 x?
The Scrambler? No, I don't think so. The Speed is probably too small...
@@AntiParallali I bought speed 400...I hope it suit well
Not a bad attempt from Triumph to create affordable, single-cylinder 400cc bikes. And kudos to Bajaj for being up to the task for manufacturing these bikes for Triumph.
Lots of nice 400cc class bikes coming out this year, including the much-awaited CFMoto Ibex 450/450MT adventure bike that uses their 450cc 270-degree crank parallel twin engine.
Triumph 400 target audience is Asia & global south.....Mid capacity singles & now twins sells crazy there.
Example; KTM
I does not matter what kind of motorcycle u ride, just ride with your brains and not with your throttle. Millions of us in Europe started out with full size unrestricted 600cc or 750cc or large bikes.
I myself started out or rather during the period I was taking my A-license rode 750cc inline 4cyl, 1000cc inline 4 cyl naked bikes that the school provided.
And then I rode my suzuki bandit 600mk2 for a year until I went up to supersports.
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Triumph is definetely working hard to bring new models on a regular basis. I am still loyal to Japanese brands, but nice to see some good competition.
Many years ago, I started on a Ninja 600 and never had a problem. I think the only downside is it create a need for speed addiction fairly quick.
I think a 400 falls into a sweet spot for new or returning riders honestly. It might be a little intimidating at first, but the bike will have a longer life with that rider because they will have enough power for many uses, and still have a lighter weight to maintain a more nimble feel when riding. Where a lighter 250 or less that rider might grow tired of the lack of power and want to swap out to something larger sooner.