Ian out here getting top 4 of tournaments with whatever cards he finds on his coffee table. I swear he could take a stack throw them in the air and whatever one he catches will be his next top 4 deck.
I went to my first cEDH event was a 1k at my local shop and ended up winning it all. I watched a lot of your videos to help me prepare. Wounded satillite was there I guess he recently moved to the area.
I love this master content! Thanks man! I have a suggestion! Volrath's stronghold is mighty for setting up what you want from the GY for your commander and is only a land slot.
@@ComedIanMTG I run 3 mill dorks to mill when I know whats on top. Wasn't thinking cedh when I first made the list though, so I go more self mil and high power. I also run intruder alarm and have combos to mill everyone take take their stuff as it goes.
@@ComedIanMTG Ya, Have a couple ways with breakfast or others to get every creature in deck on board or alter of the brood and steal everyones stuff. Really fun together!
I enjoyed this over a top 16 decklist review, I'm interested in the different play lines this deck offers, thanks for sharing. Also, i was sick of seeing Etali at the tournament i played this weekend, thanks for that.
Loved the outro song. Aside from that sultai foor chain with alluren is OP in many ways but have you ever thought of what could kickstart the combo on blood chief mindcrank? Like hurricane for 1...
ive been testing a version of this deck i found that playing intruder alarm was pretty interesting when the commander was really good it was when i was getting good creatures back from my gy side note a 3/3 ulamog or kozilek still has anihlator even if its only a 3/3 because your commander can be used toi respond to the gy trigger.
Thank you so much, man. You really put the pressure on with that infinite mana, though. I got lucky with having the spyglass, to be honest. Regardless, it was a fun game.
I've been testing out a Zellix/Haunted one CEDH deck with pretty much the same idea except without Food Chain obviously and it's fun to play tons of self mill/opponent mill. Interesting to see how much milling can effect opponents lines, but you feed Underworld Breach a ton so you have to run graveyard hate just in case. Love the deck seems like a fun keep it up.
@@ComedIanMTG I believe so yeah I toyed with the red background Passionate Archeologist but hated it. Haunted one is a little clunky since it's the same mana as your commander but it's perfect protection in the mid game, plus I run Maskwood Nexus, Undead Alchemist, and Thieves' Guild Enforcer for semi infinite mill (usually infinite mill) in the deck and Haunted One protects all my combo pieces.
Ian. you're taking advantage of using green screen in those videos, for the love of god mask out the mic out the frame of your camera! Love your content, but the recording equipment across the sphinx gets so distracting :D
I'm the Clue Farm player... I was on tilt after opposition agent because they had a boseiju land for the breach and 2 mana open so I get Minamo... I'm on the spectrum so I took variance harder than I should have... Hence the later sloppy play
About Round 1, maybe no one realised, but they could make infinite colorless mana in response to each Mesmeric Orb trigger, and find a win before the "milling" happening.
I was in round one, the liberator player, and none of us could have won with the infinite mana even if we really had it. I didn't have an outlet, and both kinan players were off kinan because of my spyglass.
Have you considered a key package in the deck? They work pretty well with your commander in general, would do some work with Mesmeric Orb, and if you include Minamo and transmute artifact, you start having a really strong one-ring package.
I'd love to hear your thoughts on intruder alarm for the deck. It has the potential to provide some insane value when combined with cards like mesmeric orb or mindcrank. But it also opens up the possibility for your opponents to gain some extra value through it as well- do you think that negative aspect outweighs any extra value it might provide for the deck?
Love your videos man, I've been really eyeing Atraxa foodchain for quite a while but this list looks super fun. Do you feel like this list is more aligned with a faster meta than Atraxa is or what major differences (white being the most glaring one along with Atraxa being 7cmc) do you feel between the two lists?
Honestly at this point this is just you being a GOAT player. Like, I swear these Fallout Sultai commanders are just shit Ukkima FC and it’s not like it sees any play anymore.
Deck is great. Can’t wait to see where it goes from here. Small question and sorry if it’s been discussed elsewhere. Do you consider torrent elemental in a bug food chain deck? Seems like it has some advantages over eternal scourge (most importantly pitches to forces) but it may be that cmc 3 is too important. Thanks!
Hey, liberator player he mentioned here. There are kind of two other well-known ones. One was accused of cheating, and the other was a notorious trash talker who most people didn't care for.
Wait so druid hermit does NOT MILL!? So it also does not function with Grolnok? I had to look this up but it seems like revealing a card from a library doesn't *move that card out of* that library [C.R. 701.16b
Can someone explain to me why having infinite mana from food chain wins you the game? Is it an instant win (1 turn) or does it just allow you to play any creature card that you draw in the following turns?
Infinite mana= infinite etb from casting your commander. Every opponent gets infinite rad counters and mills their entire deck taking 1 damage for each nonland, losing after their draw step
@@ComedIanMTGIts a bit complicated and maybe not worth the effort. You need Muldrotha (can be animated) + Petal in the grave. Muldrotha pushes the deck a bit further into a grindy direction, but might be worth a try instead of the other reanimation targets you are running.
@@ComedIanMTGI would, if only to protect against Force of Will, Ad Nauseam, or Demonic Consultation. That said, I am playing more artifact creatures to take advantage of Unwinding Clock, which is a pretty nuts with The Master.
Sorry really late to this comment, why not just play jin-gitaxias, progress tyrant, doesn’t counter your stuff, and still provides much for your artifacts/ instant/ sorcery.
@@zackaryshebetka2611 Perfectly reasonable replacement. For my deck, there’s a heavy emphasis on recurring artifacts and artifact creatures, so Nullstone works a bit better.
cEDH drinking game!!! Every time Ian says "right?", take a shot. Disclaimer: Don't actually do this. Pretty sure you would finish a bottle in less than 30 minutes.
many folks have asked about it and I think there is something there but idk that orb is enough to guarantee that it works, I heard Raul suggested as well
I would like to see what you would do with braids. I m a noob and have winrate of 25% and draw rate of 25%. It s super cool and uses lines not existent in other decks.
If you're already going for broodlord/saw in half why not just go for sacrafice/peer into the abyss? Instead of needing extra Mana and going for Scourge/food chain
Super cool seeing a deck go from an idea to competing! Will you continue to play with this deck? I know etali has been a cool go to. Also any winota updates?
I dont see why you take issue on the joking and meme plays either. I mean I HATE the politics and wish thered be a cEDH RC that bans table talk aside from basic pass priority/turn, and actions or questions relevant to game state or board staye rather than the alliances and BS but here we are
He was taking issue because it wasn't what he expected from the finals and was therefore disappointed. As for the second thing you said, politics are a healthy part of the cedh and wider commander community. Frankly, I am very interested in why you dislike them since I don't think I have ever heard anyone with that complaint.
Yes, the format of the tournaments makes it so that it is correct to do so. My complaint has NEVER been lobbied at the players who do I.d. My complaint is that many TO's will hold 5 round events with a Top 16 cut which heavily incentivizes players to ID for up to half the day.
Ian out here getting top 4 of tournaments with whatever cards he finds on his coffee table. I swear he could take a stack throw them in the air and whatever one he catches will be his next top 4 deck.
Pretty easy when the table of other players are idiots letting it happen.
Yo I was the Magda player in round 4. Nice playing with you and hope to catch you at another event!
Well played game 100%
Ian, man you have such knowledge about mtg. Thank you for sharing your wisdom within the community. Keep up the great content.
Yo, that's so cool. I am the liberator player he mentioned in round one. Anyone interested can see the list on moxfield listed as fast art.
Thanks I’ve been looking for you list since that game
I went to my first cEDH event was a 1k at my local shop and ended up winning it all. I watched a lot of your videos to help me prepare. Wounded satillite was there I guess he recently moved to the area.
I’m always amazed how you manage to grind these tourneys on so many different lists. Impressive stuff
So what you're saying is Narset's Turn 1 Burning Inquiry saved the game? :)
Pleasure meeting you! Thanks for letting me relive the day!
thanks for being a very fun opponent to play with!
We're you playing the "chance deck"?
I love this master content! Thanks man! I have a suggestion! Volrath's stronghold is mighty for setting up what you want from the GY for your commander and is only a land slot.
Spicy!
Would you add more mill to supplement this plan?
@@ComedIanMTG I run 3 mill dorks to mill when I know whats on top. Wasn't thinking cedh when I first made the list though, so I go more self mil and high power. I also run intruder alarm and have combos to mill everyone take take their stuff as it goes.
@@TheMeditron the intruder alarm stuff is so interesting with TMT
@@ComedIanMTG Ya, Have a couple ways with breakfast or others to get every creature in deck on board or alter of the brood and steal everyones stuff. Really fun together!
I enjoyed this over a top 16 decklist review, I'm interested in the different play lines this deck offers, thanks for sharing. Also, i was sick of seeing Etali at the tournament i played this weekend, thanks for that.
Universes beyond of the Nightmare before Christmas, The Master Transcendent as the Oogie Boogie Man, I need it now!
THAT WOULD BE SO SICK!
oh hype! I just ordered the proxies for Master/Mothman!
That's sick
Which do you think you're gonna build?
Honestly I fluctuate daily on which I like more haha
Honestly leaning towards mothman, just because of the cryptid love lol@@ComedIanMTG
Hell yeah cryptids are king @@ephemeraleel_
Loved the outro song.
Aside from that sultai foor chain with alluren is OP in many ways but have you ever thought of what could kickstart the combo on blood chief mindcrank? Like hurricane for 1...
ive been testing a version of this deck i found that playing intruder alarm was pretty interesting when the commander was really good it was when i was getting good creatures back from my gy side note a 3/3 ulamog or kozilek still has anihlator even if its only a 3/3 because your commander can be used toi respond to the gy trigger.
I was the kinnan in seat four in round one good game had a lot of fun couldn’t believe that colorless deck.
Thank you so much, man. You really put the pressure on with that infinite mana, though. I got lucky with having the spyglass, to be honest. Regardless, it was a fun game.
sick and unique win attempt in the finals
I've been testing out a Zellix/Haunted one CEDH deck with pretty much the same idea except without Food Chain obviously and it's fun to play tons of self mill/opponent mill. Interesting to see how much milling can effect opponents lines, but you feed Underworld Breach a ton so you have to run graveyard hate just in case. Love the deck seems like a fun keep it up.
I ADORE ZELLIX, been wanting to build around him forever.
you think the black background is the best?
@@ComedIanMTG I believe so yeah I toyed with the red background Passionate Archeologist but hated it. Haunted one is a little clunky since it's the same mana as your commander but it's perfect protection in the mid game, plus I run Maskwood Nexus, Undead Alchemist, and Thieves' Guild Enforcer for semi infinite mill (usually infinite mill) in the deck and Haunted One protects all my combo pieces.
I hope to one day have the mtg knowledge that Comedian has.
URABRASK what a deck love to see that in top 16
I watched the guys at commander vs play the final table. It was fun watching them
I just saw they did that!
Can't wait to watch it
Ian. you're taking advantage of using green screen in those videos, for the love of god mask out the mic out the frame of your camera! Love your content, but the recording equipment across the sphinx gets so distracting :D
I'm the Clue Farm player... I was on tilt after opposition agent because they had a boseiju land for the breach and 2 mana open so I get Minamo... I'm on the spectrum so I took variance harder than I should have... Hence the later sloppy play
About Round 1, maybe no one realised, but they could make infinite colorless mana in response to each Mesmeric Orb trigger, and find a win before the "milling" happening.
yeah as long as the win is instant that is totally true!
I was in round one, the liberator player, and none of us could have won with the infinite mana even if we really had it. I didn't have an outlet, and both kinan players were off kinan because of my spyglass.
Have you considered a key package in the deck?
They work pretty well with your commander in general, would do some work with Mesmeric Orb, and if you include Minamo and transmute artifact, you start having a really strong one-ring package.
I'd love to hear your thoughts on intruder alarm for the deck. It has the potential to provide some insane value when combined with cards like mesmeric orb or mindcrank. But it also opens up the possibility for your opponents to gain some extra value through it as well- do you think that negative aspect outweighs any extra value it might provide for the deck?
Love your videos man, I've been really eyeing Atraxa foodchain for quite a while but this list looks super fun. Do you feel like this list is more aligned with a faster meta than Atraxa is or what major differences (white being the most glaring one along with Atraxa being 7cmc) do you feel between the two lists?
Atraxa is much more focused on the grind plan for sure
I don't "row", Ian. But I used to!
aphetto alchemist could be an ok include, can untap commander or go infinite with orb
Honestly at this point this is just you being a GOAT player. Like, I swear these Fallout Sultai commanders are just shit Ukkima FC and it’s not like it sees any play anymore.
Kinnan playing a trinisphere literally gave me the last win I needed for my first top 16 this weekend on Sisay.
yeahhhhhhhh.... Sisay is one of the best ant-3ball decks
Awesome list! If you had to rank the top 3 sultai commanders, what would they be?
Deck is great. Can’t wait to see where it goes from here.
Small question and sorry if it’s been discussed elsewhere. Do you consider torrent elemental in a bug food chain deck? Seems like it has some advantages over eternal scourge (most importantly pitches to forces) but it may be that cmc 3 is too important.
Thanks!
The 3 cmc is definitely a priority
Also food chain doesn't make mana for activated abilities, only for casting creatures
Of course! Thanks
Just won local 51 cedh tournament with him, love to compare strategies if able see difference
Universes Beyond hype! Rocking 14th doc & K9 at a $1k Saturday. 🙌 Food Chain
Any budget version of the build that are still viable? Trying to find a build I can work with and build into better
I am curious about tyvar. What was the original intent and why you eventually caught it.
57:30 maybe I’m mishearing here, but Urabrask should be flipping as the third chapter of the saga resolves right, not at the end of the turn?
It did, sorry if I did not explain clearly
Love it. Thanks for the videos
Intruder alarm gets you every milled creature with the master. Do people not play intruder alarm in cedh?
id love to hear what happened with the other liberator pilot(s)? was there some accused cheating?
Hey, liberator player he mentioned here. There are kind of two other well-known ones. One was accused of cheating, and the other was a notorious trash talker who most people didn't care for.
I got invited in a cedh group and want to proxi a deck. Should i take your Etali build or the Master love both decks.
Wait so druid hermit does NOT MILL!? So it also does not function with Grolnok? I had to look this up but it seems like revealing a card from a library doesn't *move that card out of* that library [C.R. 701.16b
Grolnok doesn't care about the keyword mill
only permanents being put in the yard
Woah thats crazy, cool seeing lightning greaves! (Sort of a cedh noob here) 😂
What's your take on Winds of Rebuke? As it has various uses in game while also staying on theme
Can someone explain to me why having infinite mana from food chain wins you the game? Is it an instant win (1 turn) or does it just allow you to play any creature card that you draw in the following turns?
Infinite mana= infinite etb from casting your commander. Every opponent gets infinite rad counters and mills their entire deck taking 1 damage for each nonland, losing after their draw step
I am currently testing Displacer Kitten as well to infinitely flicker the Master as an alternative to FC.
how does it become infinite?
@@ComedIanMTGIts a bit complicated and maybe not worth the effort. You need Muldrotha (can be animated) + Petal in the grave. Muldrotha pushes the deck a bit further into a grindy direction, but might be worth a try instead of the other reanimation targets you are running.
Ah, wait, this is just infinite mana. 😥
Just a suggestion, but Nullstone Gargoyle is a brutal reanimation target. It can completely take over the game in certain matchups.
Would you play that over void winnower?
@@ComedIanMTGI would, if only to protect against Force of Will, Ad Nauseam, or Demonic Consultation. That said, I am playing more artifact creatures to take advantage of Unwinding Clock, which is a pretty nuts with The Master.
Sorry really late to this comment, why not just play jin-gitaxias, progress tyrant, doesn’t counter your stuff, and still provides much for your artifacts/ instant/ sorcery.
@@zackaryshebetka2611 Perfectly reasonable replacement. For my deck, there’s a heavy emphasis on recurring artifacts and artifact creatures, so Nullstone works a bit better.
Yo Ian, do you have a link to your Patreon? I can't seem to click on the one above :(
patreon.com/comedianmtg
@@ComedIanMTG awesome thanks mate, do you also have a link to the missos OF as well?
@comedian. you've mentioned cazur ukimma multiple times lately. I wanna see you make a run with it.
Spellseeker just there for the tainted pacts etc?
cEDH drinking game!!!
Every time Ian says "right?", take a shot.
Disclaimer: Don't actually do this. Pretty sure you would finish a bottle in less than 30 minutes.
8:39 what made spellseeker so good? what were you getting?
I think I cover it later but grabbing consult or tainted pact means it basically becomes a combo over 2 turns or 1 with enough mana
Had a thought to build this as a dredge-reanimator list. Might have to get off my arse and put a list together.
I was looking at grave troll in one of my other editions of the deck
Is there anything to playing intruder alarm alongside mesmeric orb and commander?
many folks have asked about it and I think there is something there but idk that orb is enough to guarantee that it works, I heard Raul suggested as well
good video :) and like I said mesmeric orb should be in deck
Hey wonderful people in the comments and Ian. I am newer to CeDH what are the Raza and Lotus Petal lines?
so there isn't an explicit line with only lotus petal, it is comedically enough just a value Razaketh
Have you revisited this list at all since the tournament?
Not yet but I am still interested in it, have a lot of projects in the works though haha 😆
You forgot seeker of skybreak and mesmeric.. 2 card combo.. as long as your commander is out.. you can target itself..
Would a similar Muldrotha deck be possible?
That commander feels pretty fundamentally different
I would like to see what you would do with braids. I m a noob and have winrate of 25% and draw rate of 25%. It s super cool and uses lines not existent in other decks.
Arisen nightmare?
@@ComedIanMTG Exactly.
If you're already going for broodlord/saw in half why not just go for sacrafice/peer into the abyss? Instead of needing extra Mana and going for Scourge/food chain
Because those are 2 very useless cards in the deck
@@ComedIanMTG gotcha 👌🏻
Who's the master now
Hell yeah dude
Master! Master! Metallica approves! ❤❤❤
Pretty sure at this point you can take a Ham Sandwich and win CEDH torneys
Reason to cut mystical tutor?
It only has a few important targets in the deck and often has you giving up a draw to tutor for a tutor
Super cool seeing a deck go from an idea to competing! Will you continue to play with this deck? I know etali has been a cool go to. Also any winota updates?
I think I'm gonna give mothman a go and see which one I like more
Do budget decks ever win?
not in any sort of major event.
However proxy friendly events exist for players on a budget
I dont see why you take issue on the joking and meme plays either. I mean I HATE the politics and wish thered be a cEDH RC that bans table talk aside from basic pass priority/turn, and actions or questions relevant to game state or board staye rather than the alliances and BS but here we are
He was taking issue because it wasn't what he expected from the finals and was therefore disappointed. As for the second thing you said, politics are a healthy part of the cedh and wider commander community. Frankly, I am very interested in why you dislike them since I don't think I have ever heard anyone with that complaint.
Multiple videos you have complained about ID but then proceed to draw 2 games seems interesting
Yes, the format of the tournaments makes it so that it is correct to do so.
My complaint has NEVER been lobbied at the players who do I.d.
My complaint is that many TO's will hold 5 round events with a Top 16 cut which heavily incentivizes players to ID for up to half the day.
people need to stop playing kinnan, so My kinnan can resolve and stay and play for more than 1 turn
😅