Does “Yahweh” Have a Secret Meaning?
Вставка
- Опубліковано 26 лип 2023
- Answering a fascinating question from a friend.
This video exists in article form at:
www.logos.com/grow/min-secret...
🎁 Help me end Bible translation tribalism, one plow boy at a time:
✅ / mlward
✅ buymeacoffee.com/mlward
📖 Check out my book, Authorized:
amzn.to/2r27Boz
🎥 Watch my Fifty False Friends in the KJV series on UA-cam:
bit.ly/50FalseFriends
👏 Many thanks to Jonathan Burris of @pastorburris for editing this video as a volunteer support to my little ministry!
👏 Many, many thanks to the Patreon supporters who make my work possible!
James Duly, Robert Gifford, Lanny M Faulkner, Lucas Key, Dave Thawley, William McAuliff, Razgriz, James Goering, Eric Couture, Martyn Chamberlin, Edward Woods, Thomas Balzamo, Brent M Zenthoefer, Tyler Rolfe, Ruth Lammert, Gregory Nelson Chase, Ron Arduser, Caleb Farris, Dale Buchanan, Jess English, Aaron Spence, Orlando Vergel Jr., John Day, Joshua Bennett, K.Q.E.D., Brent Karding, Kofi Adu-Boahen, Steve McDowell, Kimberly Miller, A.A., James Allman, Steven McDougal, Henry Jordan, Nathan Howard, Rich Weatherly, Joshua Witt, Wade Huber, M.L., Brittany Fisher, Tim Gresham, Lucas Shannon, Easy_Peasy , Caleb Richardson, Jeremy Steinhart, Steve Groom, jac, Todd Bryant, Corey Henley, Jason Sykes, Larry Castle, Luke Burgess, Joel, Joshua Bolch, Kevin Moses, Tyler Harrison, Bryon Self, Angela Ruckman, Nathan N, Gen_Lee_Accepted , Bryan Wilson, David Peterson, Eric Mossman, Jeremiah Mays, Caleb Dugan, Donna Ward, DavidJamie Saxon, Omar Schrock, Philip Morgan, Brad Dixon, James D Leeper, M.A., Nate Patterson, Dennis Kendall, Michelle Lewis, Lewis Kiger, Dustin Burlet, Michael Butera, Reid Ferguson, Josiah R. Dennis, Miguel Lopez, CRB, D.R., Dean C Brown, Kalah Gonzalez, MICHAEL L DUNAVANT, Jonathon Clemens, Travis Manhart, Jess Mainous, Brownfell, Leah Uerkwitz, Joshua Barzon, Benjamin Randolph, Andrew Engelhart, Joe Siler, Mark Sarhan, Melissa F, Rachel Schoenberger.
Mark, you are a voice of sanity on an insane internet. Thank you for addressing this question!
I try! God help us all!
Mark, Mark, Mark, you just destroyed my favorite exegetical method. Thanks a lot. Time to rewrite my sermon for Sunday now; it was one of my best I think.
Ha! Hopefully you get paid by the hour for writing those sermons! ;)
Something about this discovery of the supposed hidden meaning of YHWH gives me flashbacks to Brian Simmons’ approach to his Passion Translation
Right!
"God does not speak in secret code." AMEN! What a fabulous quote, one I used with some folks from my church just this last week!
✔ I'm honored!
You may be surprised.
But Pig Latin's still good, right? 🤪
My preferred method of argumentation is ad absurdum, and because of that I very much enjoyed this video and many of your videos, Mark.
Glad you enjoyed it! Yes, I appear to like this style, too… It's helpful to me that you named this.
I don’t know how you pull that of without laughing 😂
Ha! My wife said the same thing!
Dr. Ward, thank you again for a helpful, entertaining, and gracious explanation. You always find a way to make things understandable without sounding condescending. Your genuine love for other people and God’s word shines though here yet again. Keep up the great work!
Many thanks!
The Bible-y accent was great 😂 Very good video, Mark!
That’s the way I actually talk. My video voice is just a put-on. ;)
Overall great job! As someone who reads Hebrew, I can affirm that this is one of the many crazy ideas about how one should "understand" the Hebrew text that keeps going around the Internet and never seems to die the death it deserves.
One minor correction: while it is true that there is no evidence that the ancient Hebrews ever understood the Hebrew texts as sentences of pictographs, they really would have understood the connection between a letter and a pictograph i.e. the name of the letter א is אלף (which is also the word for ox), and the name of the letter ב is בית (which is also the word for house), so the connection between these letter names and the pictographs is generally easy to see for most letters. However, I know of absolutely no Hebrew text where a א alone means "ox" or a ב alone means "house." When a Hebrew text speaks of an "ox" or a "house," it uses the fully spelled words and not the letters by themselves. In other words, the claim being made about understanding Hebrew by pictographs is based on a tiny sliver of truth, but also on a mountain of lies.
As you can see, the names of these letters really are associated with the pictograph associated with those letters but, as you can also see, the words are fully spelled when a Hebrew author wants to speak about the things associated with the letter name. THE NEVER USE JUST THE LETTER ALONE TO REFER TO THESE THINGS!
Gen. 12:15 וַתֻּקַּח הָאִשָּׁה בֵּית פַּרְעֹה
And the woman was taken into Pharaoh’s house
Prov. 14:4a בְּאֵין אֲלָפִים אֵבוּס בָּר
Where there are no oxen, the manger is clean
I think it is also important to recognize that while the association would have been apparent to the ancient Hebrew, some associations are uncertain today and more importantly, some popular "lists" contain associations that have absolutely no basis in fact. Not only is the method of interpretation wrong, but sometimes in order to get an interpretation they want, those promoting this nonsense simply make up a definition for a "pictograph" for which no evidence exists to support that association.
Thank you, Mike! Good stuff, as always.
well said - paleo Hebew's connection with Sumerian/Akkadian does yield some interesting things, particularly, at times, in highly obscure passages (think Job/Psalms) - great job!
This reminds me of an interview William Shatner did. Star Trek fans were convinced there were deeper meanings behind what the actors said on the show. Someone once asked him what he "really meant" when he said "Hello!" on a specific episode. He thought for a minute then said, "Good bye!"
Love that!
Hey Mark! Awesome video! You need to make a video about the original pronounciation of the Tetragramaton being the sound of breathing.
Great suggestion. I've seen that one floating around, too.
@@markwardonwords I think it would be very beneficial 🙂
God often uses sarcasm in His Word to make a point, and you did a great job using it in this video. Thanks.
Some ideas do need to suffer a little ridicule. =| All in good fun!
Best line in the video: "I wonder what's gonna happen this time?" 😂
I think people know by now what’s gonna happen. No surprises on this channel.
Thank you, Mark. Well said. Look for clarity of meaning by analyzing whole sentences related to the topic under discussion.
RIGHT!!
Oh, Mark, you have a gift! Are you one of the editors of the Babylon Bee?? This is great! God bless you --as you bless the body of Christ! The allegory of the post-it note for taking out the trash is priceless... :)
Wow, thank you!
I've had to deal with this in DMs with people. Thanks for making a video on it!
Really? Interesting.
I AM who I AM.
I AM that I AM.
I will be who I will be.
He that causes to be.
He that causes to become.
FANTASTIC,Brother Mark. Love your dry humor. Important topic,however: many gullible folks out there.🌹🌹⭐🌹🌹
Thank you kindly!
The "Bible Codes" craze of a few year ago always fascinated be. However, Dr. Heiser had a negative view of them, or so it seemed, you apparently agree. So, thank you for solidifying that for me.
I do agree! It's silliness. Sad silliness.
The "bible codes" were different i.e. based Equidistant Letter Spacing (ELS); however, they are also problematic. There was a published paper on ELS submitted by Gans to a statistical journal at Cal state Hayward that appeared to demonstrate the existence of ELS codes in the Hebrew Scriptures, but it was later discovered that Gans had fudged the spelling of names in order to make the ELS codes work. When the spelling adjustments were factored in, the statistical evidence supporting ELS codes disappeared. Gans was able to get the errant paper published because the mathematicians who reviewed his work had no way to know that he had messed with the spelling of names to get the results he wanted.
There is, of course, some 'bible codes' in Scripture - such as D-V-D (dalet, waw/vav, dalet) = 14
See Matthew 1 (NB: d = 4, w = 6)
There is also the curious Sheshak in Jeremiah 25:26/51:41 where the letters B-B-L are S-S-K
(a=z // aleph = taw)
There used to be a great exposé on ELS and Bible Codes in Duvall and Hays Grasping God's Word - this was removed in the 4th ed. but the previous editions had a good section on it
Reminds me of that film from 1999 "The Omega Code" where people thought if you counted the letters and the spaces in the Hebrew Bible you could get secret messages. Sounded more like a neo-Gnosticism. It is always good to just back to the Word and not hidden meanings in the Word.
Right!!
Yes I have started to say quite often:"If you can not make our point from any good translation then it is very suspect and likly wrong."
Right!!
Bravo! Christianity and Judaism are open source religions. There are no secret initiations after a certain stage.
I like that.
Excellent job my friend - there are times that I wish you were a Hebrew Bible/Old Testament specialist but you are a solid scholar nonetheless in your right, haha 🙂
I appreciate that! There are times when I wish that, too!
Hello Mark, have you perhaps looked into the parsing of the original writings through Strong's numbering system? It offers a very different understanding of the writings of biblical scriptures. Thank you.
You may want to watch the video-I address the topic you raise.
@@markwardonwords
I did, but what I'm telling you is that you can if it's meant to be distinguish the real gospel as Paul states that has a veil over it from what you just read in the scriptures. The mystery is Beautiful praise Yah!
Hi Mark, The proto caninite were symbols associated with each aleph-bet letter.
Wonderful video Mark. It seems most/all humans desire to find deep/hidden meanings in everything. Is there anyone who saw your video title and being honest with themselves, wanted this to be true. I do wonder where this desire came from. Is it a result of the fall or a God given attribute of our inner soul.
God will judge righteously. I wonder the same things.
Awesome! I have found my kindred co-laborer in Christ's gospel!
Thankful for all your word studies. I'm going to start a new ox head denomination now.
I'm in!
How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?
Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.
Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;
But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:
I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;
When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.
Mark, May I ask what lavalier mic you're using?
That's the Rode Wireless Go II.
@@markwardonwords Thanks! The sound quality is great. Btw, love your channel, and this video is esp. appreciated. The analogy of your wife's "take out the trash" note at 5:47 is spot on. Honestly, it's rather heartbreaking to see how much time and effort is put into discovering so-called hidden meaning, instead of simply believing and obeying the plain meaning of the text. As you said, that doesn't honor God. Thanks for always helping us to see that we really can read and understand the Bible…without needing a secret decoder! I think that's what really helps us to cherish it. God bless!
🤔🧐🤣👍🙏 - Well presented Mark: as usual.
Many thanks!
I was deceived in the teachings of Neville Goddard and the like for a long time. He used a lot of this type of stuff to reveal all the "secret meanings" of the Bible. Complete nonsense. BUT it did eventually peak my interest so that I began to read the Bible and it's plain truth changed me forever. Praise God.
Awesome!
There are some big time "preachers" who have been hawking this stuff for years. Thanks for stopping up this linguistic rabbit hole. This is taught neither in the OT nor the NT. Jesus never taught us this, so we don't need it!🙏📖😊
Well said!
Moffitt translates it The Eternal. Since I Am is the present perfect tense of the verb it (his translation) makes sense to me. Nothing complicated
Thank you, Mark!
✔
A Pastor, Carl Gallups, along with a Messianic Rabbi, Zev Porat, wrote a book that talks about this. The book is called: The Rabbi, the secret message, and the identity of Messiah. I don't know their credentials, but this seems to be more than just some internet or social media thing.
Thank you for this. This book comes from so far outside my world that I don't know quite what to make of it. I'm not particularly eager to spend money on it, I confess, and my local library doesn't have it in digital format.
@@markwardonwords They both have a youtube presence. Here is a clip of him talking about this subject. ua-cam.com/video/CMg5vDZUDQ0/v-deo.html
@@GJ-ek1pi I confess to being rather unimpressed, for reasons I mention in this video. =(
Thank you for all you do. I have learned a lot from listening to you and I am looking forward to learning much more!!
Excellent!
Thank you! Cheers!
I love the universal understanding that if we, as husbands, dont do what the wife says, she gets mad. Glad I'm not the only one!
I have an excellent wife. She'd be justified to be angry if I didn't take out the trash because I looked for hidden meaning in her Post-it Note!
Now he tells me! After hearing so many preachers and some scholars talk about hidden codes that you would only find the meaning of if you knew biblical Hebrew and since I don't know it that well, I thought that I was missing something. But alas, a voice of reason and sense explaining that it is not so. The beauty of this is that the God of the Bible knew that a few thousand years down the line a small island nation named England was going to rule large swaths of the earth and hence English was going to become the dominant language and after its rule one of its ofsprings, the United States of America was going to push the dominance of the English Language further. With this knowledge, I do not believe that the all mighty, all knowing, all powerful God would hide such meanings in a language that he knew would become a dead language in the future. Had this been the case, I honestly believe that the Biblical languages would have persisted to this day and be far more accessible to the ordinary man like say Spanish or French. There is enough in our English translations of the Bible for salvation that we don't even need to learn Hebrew or Greek to have sufficient knowledge of the Lord for salvation. Thank you Mark for sharing these kinds of videos and showing that within the numerous good English Bible translations we have access to, there is more than enough knowledge for salvation and as far as I am concerned, that is what is most important.
Always appreciate your comments, brother!
@@markwardonwords Thank you. You make it easy with your videos and your contents. I always look forward to your videos as there are always insights that can help us all in our walk with Jesus.
Another good video! I have heard of such “codes” over and over for so long, but dismissed them as nonsense with only a little consideration. God wants us to draw close to him. James 4:8 Using such codes wouldn’t help. The bible can be challenging enough just reading it straight forward without codes.
I do believe we need to focus on the Divine Name much more than we do. Matthew 6:9 Jews and their superstitious traditions aren’t biblical, so why go along with them? Jesus didn’t. John 17:26 It’s unfortunate that there are some today that still aren’t aware of the fact that the Divine Name YHWH was still written in the Greek LXX used by Jesus and the Apostles, including Paul, in their day. The Divine Name was removed by Christian Scribes around 100 years later when they replaced it with the "Nomina Sacra." As Phillip Comfort said; “Today very few know about this, even those who read the Greek New Testament.”
Nothing beats understanding the Bible in its historical context. The best way to understand the Bible is to learn hermeneutics.
Yes sir!
Well said; as usual! ;-)
I appreciate that!
Yeshua is spelled in similar respects to "YhWh", symbol-wise.
Also, when you look upon thine hand, behold, the hand. Continue your gaze unto the ends of the fingers, and, behold, the nail(s). Why would somebody think that Jesus was 'meant' to die? Especially by means of torture and crucifixion.
Really looking forward to this one. I'm a bit torn on the name itself seeing that there isn't 100% surety on the pronunciation. One of the major reasons I don't think I'd use the LSB translation along with their exclusive translation of the word slave.
I don't get into pronunciation, I'm afraid. There's a lot more to say about this word; it goes pretty deep. I'm skating across the surface!
@@markwardonwords I quite understand. There are a lot more important things than the pronunciation of God's name. One thing though I'm looking forward to seeing this one.
I am too a bit curious on this one and am wondering what sources he is using to base his argument on seeing how Christianity avoids rabbinical teachings like a plague, so usually they make things up as they go along such as your comment on how there isn't 100% certainty on the pronunciation on the name which this statement in itself is false being that the only reason there is even a confusion on the pronunciation is because people cannot speak Hebrew instead like I said they make things up as the go along which is what the HRM, so called Sacred Namers and typical everyday Christians who prefers to rely on translations such as the KJV due to laziness
Could it be regarding the ancient Hebew hieroglyphics…hand, behold, nail, behold?
@@tamarafox1585 Why, yes!
But if you spell it out in sequenced spaces that no one else would know...jk lol. Thank you for your herculian efforts to provide helpful videos and resources! Blessings!
I don't work alone! I have a video editor now, who donates his time! I'm so grateful!
I though this video was gonna be about the pronunciation argument from Exodus 3:14, and I do think there could be more to the story than just the KJV translators transcribing the vowels from Lord into God's name. Interestingly enough, in Chinese, protestants use Yehovah, and the standard protestant translation renders God's name as such instead of some version of LORD; however the Catholics use Yahweh but don't render God's name in their translation.
its basically universally acknowledged by hebrew scholars that the masoretes recorded the pronunciation of "adonay" on the consonants יהוה.
@@arachnophilia427The real question is where you fall on the idea of Yehovah vs Yahweh as the proper pronunciation and transliteration. I've watched a number of Hebrew professionals stating that it is without question Yehovah
@@educational4434 that'd be nehemia gordon.
i don't really have the time or space to fully explain here, but he's probably wrong.
we have a lot of early attestation of the TRI-grammaton, יהו, in many theophoric personal names. newer ones (like "nehemia") lack the final waw, but older ones (like "isaiah"/yeshayahu) have it. these names don't appear to end -ov. ones that do, (like "jacob") are spelled with final vet and no waw. additionally, we have external transliteration, in egyptian, "the nomads of yahu(land)", and greek with early christian sources recording the samaritan pronunciation.
these all point to a pronunciation more like "yahweh" than "yehovah".
A fascinating but much neglected area of study is Christian Cabala and Christian Hebraism during the Renaissance and Reformation period.
Yes, I know very little about this, though I learned a tiny bit when I read Lawrence Glinert's great book, The Story of Hebrew.
Good shutdown of the "Hebrew word pictures" nonsense. One suggestion I would add is to avoid the term "paleo-hebrew" in non-academic settings. Unfortunately, some use that term for the Phoenician script, which is typically how it's used in academia, while others use it for the Proto-Sinaitic script. This leads to folks claiming all kinds of things because of the confusion.
✔ I myself have much more to learn about this. I actually altered the published version of this piece for that reason. I picked up a few tidbits in conversation with my friend, Lexham editor Doug Mangum.
Good point - refresh my memory - what does Tov say in his 4th ed of Textual Criticism because there has been some not insubstantial revisions over the years
@@dustinburlet7249 you might have meant this comment for someone else. I'm not sure it connects to my statement.
@@mikeymcgee1509 what I was referring to is how Emmanuel Tov discusses the terminology of paleo hebrew WITHIN the academic context - I know that things have shifted between his third and fourth editions of the Textual Criticism of the Hebrew Bible and I am curious how he takes it ,I guess as the Proto - Sinaitic script
@dustinburlet7249 I see. I haven't read it, so I'm not sure how he's using it. Typically, the term "paleo-hebrew" in an academic discussion refers to the Phoenician script.
straightforward and common sense answer. i may have to share this video with believers who uncritically believe the hidden code pictogram nonsense; they're more likely to hear you than me.
the basic point of the english being sufficient is a good one. meaning is constructed from words and their contexts, not some hidden code. that said, two caveats.
1. hebrew is absolutely worth studying if you want to understand the tanakh on a deeper level. it rarely (never?) changes the basic meaning of the text, but it can clarify or introduce ambiguities. it also gives an appreciation for subtle literary aspects that don't translate so well.
2. there absolutely are SOME hidden codes in the bible. for instance, there's a psalm where the first word of each verse is in alphabetical order, one that spells the name of simon (probably macabee), and a few cases in the new testament that invoke gematria.
Thank you! Good thoughts!
I gotcha on number 2. Touché! I think, though, that my comment in the video covers acrostic poems (Lamentations, too), because I said that if there's any important meaning you're missing in the Hebrew, the notes in a good study Bible will mention it. All good study Bibles mention acrostic poems!
Check out the book The God picture by Greg Martz. Very interesting book about the meaning of Yahweh.
Mark, I agree with you on this subject, but you ended the video with "God doesn't speak with secret code." Have you ever examined any of Chuck Missler's work on Cosmic Biblical Codes? I find them to be fascinating and they don't contain gobbledygook nonsense. Thanks for all of your excellent work Brother!
I'm not familiar with it, no. Is there a particular book, article, or video you'd point me to?
Chuck Missler's work on the "bible codes" was based on a paper by Harold Gans which was proven wrong. Sadly, Chuck Missler's "work" extended on Gans ideas in way in which Gans himself indicated was wrong in his original paper.
@@markwardonwords One may also want to look at The Signature of God, the Handwriting of God
by Grant R. Jeffrey for more 'sad' work
@@markwardonwords Though Chuck passed away some years back, there is a wealth of videos on UA-cam that feature this topic. I would go with: Chuck Missler- Cosmic Biblical Codes. Happy hunting, and by all means let me/us know what you think.
Mark, have you ever thought about taking your show on the road! 😂
What do you mean, my friend?
@@markwardonwords I just meant that the first of the video when you were going to the extreme with the secret meanings was very funny! I laughed! I LAUGHED OUT LOUD!
I appreciate your videos.
Ah, thank you!
I refer to YaH in third person as "HE IS".
Brilliant! 🤣🤣🤣
✔
Oh boy i really want to share this. Can also mean YO-"eternal" and Hu' WAW' H " Glory!(WAW) within Wisdom!(HUH!). I like this. Works best for ME! More clearly stated "ETERNAL GLORY(Spirit) IN WISDOM"
I don’t think you can compare inspired word, with the name of God to a take out the trash sticky note on the fridge. The comparison just doesn’t work. I must cede that to take the principal of looking at the ideas/words behind Hebrew characters/letters and applying it to every situation in the Bible does not work, but I would argue that for something as key and important as the name of God, we would not be incorrect in looking into any possible boons we could find.
I honestly don't disagree with that. The question, I suppose, is what's possible.
@@markwardonwords very off topic, but I wanna just say thank you for always replying to comments. I always see you replying to other ppl. You are a nice space for theological conversation, despite our differences on a few things. God Bless you.
"Perhaps I can at least get a UA-cam video out of it.". :D
✔ I somehow manage.
Sarcasm is my love language 😄😍
Ha!
While I tend to prefer plain readings of the Biblical Text, I hold firm to God revealing is word to me by his spirit
1Co 2:9 - But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
1Co 2:10 - But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
(KJV)
- But, as it is written,
“What no eye has seen, nor ear heard,
nor the heart of man imagined,
what God has prepared for those who love him”-
- these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God.
(ESV)
and not mine or anyone elses private interpretation:
2Pe 1:20 - Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. (KJV)
- knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation. (ESV)
I'll leave the rest of this to the obvious agreement of Godly rational men, by His Spirit.
It struck me on your comment that diving into the potential nuances of hidden meaning in the text God sees as silliness, it struck me that immature children of see the things that 'mature' adults do as silliness, the inverse is also true of course.
I'll start by saying I have a lot of cautious skepticism about digging into things like Biblical numerology, hidden meanings in words, etc... basically things that at least quickly lend themselves to private interpretation.
But as you're well familiar..:
Mat 5:18 - For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. (KJV)
- For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. (LSB)
...means something I'm not sure has been well explained or revealed to me, nor do I see it displayed in related teachings, when I does come up it seems to be misused and misunderstood. (i.e. I'm not sure what the moon is made out of, but I'm sure it's not made of cheese)
I did a quick search on this meaning of YHWH or YHVH as I hadn't heard this particular one before., and found RockIslandBooks (They are very adept at messaging these types of things).
ua-cam.com/video/50VxL16hmbI/v-deo.html&ab_channel=RockIslandBooks
I would add that if God has layered deeper and deeper meaning into the text, I would not expect anything close to what you just did as an interpretation method as it would seem to be a very private interpretation, even a flippant one. If it there is something to the deeper meaning, it could even be irreverent. Keeping in mind I'm not myself convinced, I also don't spend a lot of time trying to work it out either way I think I'm still pretty immature really since there is still much I don't understand, as long as they seem to be preaching the Gospel of Christ and unless there is error or perversion of the Gospel, then:
Phl 1:18 - What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice. (KJV)
- What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed, and in that I rejoice. Yes, and I will rejoice, (ESV)
Leaving it here, I have other things to attend to. I'm not sure you gave this one a fair shake. You seemed to be headed to a sound position at the end then you went to:
"God does not speak in secret code".
Boy howdy you should do a study on that!
I've recently been hearing from a number of folks involved in or impressed by Messianic Judaism. I confess to not having a full understanding of their theology (as I said in an interview yesterday, I feel uncertain which voices to listen to; they seem to me to have a lot of subgroups). But I do know language. And that video you sent has a clear and simple misunderstanding in its foundation. "Lord" does not "hide" the "true name" of God-or Jesus wouldn't have used it. That is, when Jesus and the New Testament writers had a chance to either translate or transliterate the divine name, they chose the former. They chose "Lord," kurios in Greek. They could have gone with iabe, a transliteration. It cannot be wrong to do what Jesus and the NT writers did. In fact, I feel safest following their example. As in English, so in the Greek of the New Testament: the word "lord" can be used of mere earthly lords. God announces to us that "the Lord/Yahweh" is his name in Isa 42:8. This is precious and important. But it's not magic. I appreciate your humility here, recognizing your lack of maturity. I'd just encourage you to be careful with the realm of multilingual discussion that video gets into. Be skeptical of it the way you are of numerology, my friend.
LOL!!! Excellent way of showing the absurdity!
Welcome again, fellow language nerd!
🫖⭐🔥🦘 !!! Or good video as we normally mean
Love it!
👍🏼❤️👍🏼
Actually, to get the TRUE meaning after you translate each individual letter you need to translate the entire sentence back to the original Klingon.
;)
I like how you never use rabbinical source though its just pretty much pulling a rabbit out of a hat
היה He was
הוה He is
יהיה He will be
That's a Hebrew understanding and not without biblical support.
Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come...
When writing without the nekkud, I would write הווה
Yahweh, therefore, without the o of הוה is the god who isn't.
Are you like a biblical language X-man? Your mutant power has to be sarcasm that coerces people to see how silly they can be forcing them to walk away slowly with their head down as the 70’s theme song to the Incredible Hulk softly plays. “Now I must burn that Self published Amazon book on Paleo Hebrew… ho hum. 😢”
Love this!
Your welcome - keep up the good work
Stop!😂
Just doin' m' job! ;)
😂😂😂😂😂😂
You really think Moses wrote the law that included instructions on not making graven images in pictograms?
I am guessing that you did not watch the whole video, this is actually what he argues against.
While the pictograph understanding is nonsense, it would not actually be a "graven image"; the Halakah regarding "graven images" is a bit more specific.
@@miketisdell5138He claimed Hebrew was written in pictographs. That's aside from his main point. That's what my comment is addressing.
David, you're actually making an excellent point here that is in full agreement with what I said. I said only that the Hebrew letters have their ultimate source in pictograms.
@@markwardonwords which I'm saying I seriously doubt.
Instead of someone trying to read between the lines, looking for some hidden meaning, just read the words and believe and obey what it says. It's the word of God.
Right!
How can you say in one breath there are no hidden meanings in the bible and in another 7:10 God gave a veiled "answer"?
Veiled and not meant to be discerned. Rather than secret and meant to be ferreted out by those with the secret key.
@@markwardonwords
There are many hidden meanings that are quite edifying.
It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.
Thanks for your remarks on the 'secret code'.
Please note: The letter 'W' does not exist in latin or greek or Hebrew, then how come you use YHWH instead of YHVH?
Most importantly why do ALL these translations use the word LORD and are 'frightened' to use God's revealed name 'YeHoVaH'? What a difference it makes when you use His divine name which is all over the scriptures. This is a major mistake in KJV which you should have pointed out - how come you missed such a glaring error? This is an inexcusable error perpetuated over and over again in so many translations and you too are guilty for not pointing this out. So technically KJV has over 6800 mistakes if you look at the name of God itself.
As regards 'Jesus' - there was no letter 'J' in English. The first English-language book to make a clear distinction between the sound of I and the sound of J was not written until 1634.
Prior to this including KJV of 1611 had Jesus as Iesus. Blind followers of the KJV only - how proud can you be the English language.
English is spoken only by about 16% of the world’s population, either as a first or additional language. Those who hold to this doctrine promote a form of linguistic racism. The principle of linguistic superiority or inferiority is the tendency of speakers of the socially dominant group in a society to interpret speech of a subordinate group as linguistically superior / inferior to that of their own.
In my humble opinion, there is no perfect translation and there will never be one. IF you are eager to study the Bible, my suggestion is for you to learn a little but of Hebrew and Greek. There are lots of online FREE classes and courses available so you can learn these languages to a point you can begin to read it. A whole new world opens up for you then as you use other resources to understand difficult passages or even understand the Bible better.
I have downloaded a 'WORD' document of the Bible here: www.onlinefreebibles.com/bibles/KJV-WORD-DOC.doc
Use it as a personal guide and do your own due diligence and create a translation of your own as the Holy Spirit gives you revelation. But PLEASE do not promote it to others as inspired !!
There are two different conventional transliterations for the vav or waw (ו) in English: v and w. Thanks for the link!
Someone needs to write 1,000,000 times, I will not make up exegetical nonsense, and then copy Carson's exegetical fallcies by hand 100 times.
RIGHT!!!
And don't forget about James Barr Semantics of Biblical Language, Moisés Silva's Biblical Words and their Meanings, and Benjamin Baxter's extensive articles and book - "In the Original Text It Says": Word-Study Fallacies and How to Avoid Them - NB: one of my friends, Zachary Dawson actually found an exegetical fallacy in Carson's Exegetical Fallacies 🙂
I wouldn't assume this is a lexical error, this is very similar to some works of Jewish mysticism or hermeticism; popular in the period following the Renaisance. This is not my specialty, but issues with mystical exegesis isn't a lexicological error, it's a seperate category of exegetical errors, closer to misuse of typology. Mark does present the basic problem, however, such techniques require justification or they are arbitrary.
😂😂😂 The rubbish things that you come across on social media by people who are unlearn with the Hebrew language
✔
God chose to not place His OT name in the NT. Gods name in the NT is: the God and Fsther of our Lord Jesus Christ. Eph1,:3 Yahweh means: I will become who I will become. It is not: I am. Ex3,,:14
While I agree "Yahweh means: I will become who I will become" I'm curious why you say "God chose to not place His OT name in the NT"? John 17:16
@19king14 because it's not there. We call our God Father. Eph1:3. Yahweh is the nation of Israel s God. GOD(THEOS) PLACER is God of all nations. ROM3:29-31. Ac17 etc. God is now in the process of saving the nations.
Absolutely correct; “because it's not there.” But maybe we ought ask “WHY is it not there?” Yes, “We call our God Father” But we also pray that ‘Our Father’s name be hallowed.’ True, "Yahweh is the nation of Israel’s God” but that same God is also Jesus’ God and our God too. John 20:17 True, the scripture you quote shows that this same God is God of the Jews but He is also God the nations, both. That same God is known even today as Yahweh, as Mark (and near anyone) shows. "YHWH" God’s name still appears in the Hebrew texts to this day. The Divine Name was also written in the Greek LXX scriptures contemporary of and used by Jesus, the Apostles and Paul. As many scholars show, YHWH is “not there” in the New Testament because about 100 years after Jesus, the Apostles’ and Paul’s time YHWH was removed by Christian scribes and replace with what is called the “Nomina Sacra.” So, we must ask; "Can we really say "God chose to not place His OT name in the NT”? or is it more correct to conclude that which really happened; “the later Christian scribes chose to remove the name God inspired Paul and the other NT writers to write originally”?
@@keithfuson7694
ua-cam.com/video/mwHKhU-7SMM/v-deo.html
Yahweh/elohim is god jesus father.
Why some people act blind? :)
My brother please don't assume what God ment and didn't mean. The Bible is the word and should be studied deeply!!!!!
The pictographs that became the proto-Hebrew Letters can/may have both tangible & abstract meanings.
Of course there is a lack of 100% certainty on these things. And one tangible picture - even if correctly ascertained - could have multiple abstract meanings.
Aleph (Ox head) could have the meaning of “strong” or “strong one”. Oxen we’re about the strongest things around back then. Bet (tent) could have the meaning of “house, home, or dwelling”. Many lived in tents. Therefore aleph-bet can be interpreted as “strong one of the home”. In Hebrew Ab means “father”. Most of your subscribers are familiar with the more intimate term of “Abba” - Daddy.
No Biblical student that I know who looks into these connections of letters in the ancient Hebrew has ever suggested that they replace a direct & clear understanding of the scripture itself. That was an absurd accusation. Your arguments against looking into these things is a Straw-man argument at best.
You advised your friend poorly. YHVH . Yud Hey Vav Hey paints a great picture of Jesus in the First used Covenant Name of the True & Living God. What a gem of comforting insight! Jesus is portrayed elsewhere throughout the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) in numerous ways. Most of these ways would still be veiled if not interpreted thru the lens of New Testament revelation.
You would have shown much more Wisdom if you had approached the subject matter with a little more humility. Even at our best and even with your great study, we still only “see thru a glass dimly” as we look into the depths of God’s revelations to us.
Letters are entirely phonetic tools these days. And our language is far more abstract than the originals.
But Hebrew may be the original language in its ancient form. And it’s letters appear to have lessons in them. This is especially true in the 3 letter (consonant) base words. Example being the 3 letters for satan.
There are so many things that we can learn from the Hebraic roots of our Faith. They confirm the foundations of a Biblically Based Evangelical understanding of genuine Christianity. A major source of confirming evidence lay unrecognized by the Church for 1700 years+/-. These are the 7 YHVH ordained Festivals found in Exodus 23 that clearly & precisely outline God’s Redemptive Plan of Salvation for Mankind.
We don’t need that outline to confirm Jesus’ Ministry & our personal testimonies of Salvation in Christ. But Man! What a great feast of confirming evidence! Imagine if we all celebrated these feasts/festivals not because we had to, but because we get to!
Doing so would be very Biblical as they were given as “shadows” (portraits?) of the reality found in Christ Jesus.
My friend, I just can't say I'm persuaded!
@@markwardonwords Agreed - one would have to go through some not insignificant constraints to avoid both the semantic overload and 'swamp water' exegetical fallacies
@@markwardonwords- Reasonable people can disagree and yet remain reasonable people.
@@stevent8314 I agree! And I will say that you wrote your comment in a way that made me want to be wrong! Even acknowledging that there is a lack of 100% certainty on these things shows a level of humility and self-awareness I (have to say I) rarely get from commenters who disagree with me! I bet we could have a fun discussion about all this in person!