Considering how her mother made it all about her and how she was so mad and couldn’t look at her is narc behaviour. I’m willing to bet her mother’s mental and emotional abuse is why she left. Narc mothers are something else..
I don't know, even after she came out they stayed together and had 4 children together, it sounds to me like they actually loved each other. It's more likely that two people loved each other than one being a predator, loving couples are far more common than predators, his actions were questionable due to her age, but if he was a pedo, he would of lost interest the day she became, and looked as a women, also if she was doing something that she questioned, she wouldn't of hid the fact that they were having sex when she was underage, this fact was obviously never divulged because Scott was never charged for it.
@@kingcosworth2643L take. just for the fact that a lot of pedofiles are also attracted to men/women of legal age. saying he is not a pedofile while also having sex (raping, lets call it what it is) with a child
Poor kid was guilt-tripped by the mother, shamed by society, and manipulated by an adult male. She took all the responsibility onto her fragile psyche, and the shame and regret overwhelmed her.
Makes you wonder why she got away from her family, particularly mother and why she couldn't talk to her mother and return. I've watched the interview on 60 minutes, and the mother was very infuriating. No love there at all of taking responsibility for her lack of skills as a mother.
@@SueSA2009 Too bad it wasn't Dr. Phil or some other mental health professional that had insight into narcissistic parents and how they can really destroy their own children to save themselves. So sad.
the 60min interview broke my heart. Everyone shamed her. Even her own mother. And let me be clear: I do not want to shame her mother - she too, did the best she could. But that clearly wasn't enough. But that wasn't her mum's fault either. Listen to the last 10minutes of her interview and you will know 90% of what's wrong with australia. They were even talking about how to PUNISH her. What a perverted idea to even think about punishing a 14yo runaway! She had great reasons to runaway. Everyone does.
@@tails5303 there is no situation in which a fourteen year old girl is not a victim when she is in a relationship with a twenty two year old man. you are vile.
Poor child/woman. Natasha was a victim all along the line. If she was "self-centered", it would be unsurprising. Her emotional development was halted at the age of 14. Her mother is a monster. Blaming Natasha for her situation is cruel. I am so sorry that no one loved her or cared enough to give her the mental health care she needed.
some would argue, that you are a monster for calling her mother a monster. i'd argue that you're just as flawed as her. but in other ways. her mother clearly didn't do well, but that doesn't mean she didn't do her best.
I mean, yeah, it seems pretty clear she was a victim. She was a 14-year-old who was groomed by an adult, married her abuser and then suicided by the age of 40. He ruined her life. She should have been allowed to outgrow her teenage rebellious stage without the interference of a predator. Absolutely gross that a media outlet paid for their wedding photos as if normalizing statutory rape was okay.
@@christinelee4780don’t worry a lot of us are normal over here and just see the Cheeto man as the criminal he is. I hate this country a lot of times, but I’m chronically ill and disabled and it’s super hard gaining the right kind of visa to live in another country.
What a strange case. Poor Natasha. I can’t wrap my head around Dr. Grande saying he doesn’t know if she’s a victim or not. She’s clearly a victim. Being groomed by an adult male when she was 14. She wasn’t old enough to make any adult decisions. She was a kid. She WAS a victim. It’s apparent. She was obviously messed up by all this. She even took her own life. I feel so sorry for her.
A rare miscue by Dr. Grande... without a doubt, Natasha was a victim through and through-from age 14 as a minor victim of sexual battery, false imprisonment, kidnapping, psychological and emotional abuse, and God knows what, she deserves exoneration in death. Poor thing.
@@claradiaz3147I don’t know…I’ve found him to be harder on the women. I think if it had been a boy instead of girl…he might have said something different…
@@claradiaz3147 I ended up marrying the girl I dated in high school. Sure, our birthdays are only 3 months apart, not seven years, but clearly she made a good decision with him considering how it turned out.
Could it be that her boyfriend convinced her that she would be in trouble with the law if she was found? I was in a similar situation when I was younger. I'm sure she wanted to protect her boyfriend... this is ALWAYS how young girls feel when being taken advantage of by older men. Protect the perp. Bless her heart. I wish she knew the truth. I spent YEARS protecting a liar, cheater and a thief... that just so happened to be my pastor. I know what she went through. So sad.
I've always felt that the adult in the situation, her groomer...boyfriend...was the only one who should have faced any kind of prosecution. At the time this crime happened, even if Natasha had chosen to run away, she was not of the age of consent & so not responsible.
She was responsible for running away, she was not abducted. Being under 18 does not mean you are void of any agency or responsible for your actions. If a 14 year old robs someone or murders someone, they are responsible.
A 14 yr old is not an adult, is in the process of puberty and their brain has not fully matured enough to understand the long term consequences of their choices.
@@kingcosworth2643Consent. Minors cannot CONSENT to intimate relationships with adults. Idk where you got that kids should just be absolved of any wrong doing. That’s not what’s going on here. She was manipulated by an adult groomer. A predator.
If he did it today, Scott would be guilty of child abduction under section 363A of the Queensland Criminal Code: 363A Abduction of child under 16 (1) Any person who unlawfully takes an unmarried child under the age of 16 years out of the custody or protection of the child’s father or mother, or other person having the lawful care or charge of the child, and against the will of the father, mother or other person, is guilty of a crime, and is liable to imprisonment for 7 years. (2) It is immaterial that the offender believed the child to be of or above the age of 16 years. (3) It is immaterial that the child was taken with the consent of or at the suggestion of the child. However, section 363A was enacted on Novermber 14, 2000 and came into force on July 1, 2001. Scott abducted Natasha in 1998.
@@kingcosworth2643 Legally, a child cannot consent to that with an adult. And there do exist different punishments for adults and children for the same crimes.
They shouldn’t have charged her, it led her to believe she was a perpetrator when she was a victim. Knowing public opinion was against her,couldn’t have been an easy life. Let down by everyone,poor thing. Rip Natasha. 💔
And what kind of justice would that have resolved? His only "victim" was a girl that became a woman who ended up getting married and having 4 kids and becoming a nurse. Perhaps all of you are wrong about him? Not all men who date young are predators. Some actually do rescue girls like her from the streets and a bad life.
@@ashley_biden 14 year old children need to be with their parents. They don’t need to be “rescued “ and sexually violated by grown men. Defending pedophiles is really disgusting.
@@TheMattTrakker I think more time would have made a huge difference and I’m not talking about just one more year. That man deserved a decade minimum. He groomed and brainwashed her . Something like that takes more than one year to overcome and see clearly. You should do some research .
"She was living a nightmare but convinced herself she was having the best time ever". Even if this statement is true based on Natasha's own testimony and not just Dr Grandes' opinion, she wasn't even an adult mentally able to make an assessment of what a great time actually means. It's so disturbing to think Natasha could aquire an education for nursing and have 4 children in the span of a decade and nobody realized how depressed and emotionally or psychologically ill she really was. Too bad her mother didn't fight for her. If it was my daughter I would be praying constantly for some sorely needed intervention prior to her death. Poor Natasha never had a friend, mother, father or husband who cared about her.
Some kids don't want help and some kids have an escape via running away or exiting permanently. I don't think she would have been happy in any situation.
@@LifesPeachy321 When her mother realized (if she ever did) , that Natasha had no discipline early on as a teenager the mother could have tried to get help. Her mother was ignorant and may have had her own personal trials leaving no time for Natashia. So sad neither of them had a caring, intelligent friend. I feel bad for the four children she left now with no mother. RIP Natasha.
Except, if you listen to her interviews, she was very angry with her parents at the time. Faking your death/pretending to be dead is very cruel to th3 people who) over you.
Natasha was trying to move on the best she could. Not easy to become a radiology nurse and have 4children in 10 or so years. No mention of her children makes me wonder if Grandma has gained any insight since the suicide of Natasha.
Substance abuse. My mom died around the same age, with as many kids, her liver gave out when she drank herself to death. She died in her 2nd house in a town we vacationed in every year, so she was treated and provided for well - much like Natasha, despite these pseudo-hero feminists calling him a villain. Don't discount the chemical element, because my dad had committed suicide 2 years prior to this while on prozac, hanging.
As if. In the 90s girls at my school had 23 yr old boyfriends when they were 15. One had a 20 yr old one and they waited till her 16th birthday to have sex. Perfectly normal.
when you're a child in a broken home, it's very easy to end up "dating" an older man. it's never dating, it's always grooming. this hits home. poor Natasha
It just bothers me that 14 year old girls are called “women who date older men” and 14 year old boys are called… boys. She was a child when this all happened.
“One stupid decision” is a completely insane way to describe the r*p* of a child, and those likes speak volumes about the inherent sexism of our culture.
One bit of this story that is mysterious is this: she said she voluntarily hid out at the boyfriend's house - to get away from her Mother who she was fighting with. When found alive her mother was not overjoyed to find her daughter again, was not throwing welcome parties - when interviewed she was all about 'i'll have to learn to forgive her, she'll have to earn my trust'. She was just angry that her daughter had hurt her. So - more to this than meets the eye.
Technically and logically, she was a victim. Did anyone know if she received a diagnosis at any point? Clearly, she should have. It seems like everyone failed her. Making an "example" of her by suing her is just ridiculous.
Sometimes it is the young girl who makes the first move for a connection. I had worked at a school and seen how some fully knew what was going on and would throw out bait even if it was just to set up someone to get them in trouble. I knew to keep away from them.
6/11/24 Scott not thoroughly investigated after first time. Was 14 yo child, preyed on by 21 yo 7 yr age gap. Natasha was the victim, no one treated her as one. Fined her, he got 3 yrs, but served 1 yr. They failed her!
Yep. Literally everyone failed her. Her mother failed her, the school counselors, her friends and the police. Then when they did find her they persecuted her instead of comforting her and letting her know she was manipulated and taken advantage of. As a mother, I’m experiencing severe second hand shame for that poor girl. 😢
its true, he would have told them anything to get out of general population in prison. its possible that there are murderers of the other 2 victims roaming free.
@@lukeydukesup782 I don't think it matters. They already struck a deal. It is possible the deal had wacky contingency rules on it, but probably not, since he would have just balked at that and not said anything, if it looked sketchy I imagine.
Me too. Its so extremely sad. She felt guilty for running away.....then guilty for being found. She carried huge amount of shame. It wasn't her shame to carry. Poor woman. She was absolutely lovely.
Thanks doc for another thoughtful analysis. I would like to direct you to a disturbing case out of the western suburbs in my hometown of Cleveland, Ohio. Last week, a mother and her 3 year old boy were leaving a grocery store when a woman approached them and stabbed them. She was a complete stranger. The mother was stabbed once and recovered. The boy was stabbed in the face and back and died the next day. I work with the courts in Cleveland and the case is pretty big here. It is also coming to light that the assailant likely had a documented mental health history and despite being supposedly ordered to a mental health evaluation, a judge released her without the evaluation being done. Then she committed this offense several days later. There are other goings-on that indicate she may have committed a similar offense out of state. The woman has been behaving in an odd manner in court, and many people think she is "faking" mental illness. We'll see what happens- but I would love it if you could look at the case, and perhaps talk about how someone can have legitimate mental illness, AND in many cases, still understand right from wrong. I have no idea if that's the case for this woman, but I know people are forming their opinions already as we're apt to do these days. Anyway, thanks again! I always look forward to your thoughts!
The fact that they failed to see her boyfriend as a predator is the the first mistake of many! He should have been charged with statutory rape at a minimum and kidnapping by verbally mind fucking her and using her parents divorce and her dislike for school to lure her into voluntary captivity! The fact that he was ok with hiding her in his home says a lot, says he knew it was socially unacceptable for him to be with a 14 year old and showed he was ashamed ! That is an admission of guilt in my book!
I love your dry humor, Dr. Grande. It’s subtle and I don’t think a lot of people catch it, because I don’t see a lot of comments about it. But just so you know, I notice. ❤
Yes! I just watched the 60 minutes video and was shocked at how much it blamed Natasha! And comments were disabled! I hated how much her mother played the victim card! She was a 14 year old girl - if everything was going great at home she never would have run away - obviously! I guess there were major problems going on in the family home (abuse of some sort) which made her want to run away. And the interviewer on 60 minutes blamed Natasha, which is deplorable in my mind! Your analysis of the situation is way more balanced than 60 minutes. Thank you, and RIP Natasha.
All I can say is, what a frickin mess. I think her parents failed her miserably. She had mental health problems right from the beginning of her life and a family that was likely dysfunctional. Plenty of misery with few solutions explored.
SPOT ON!!! Natasha was justified by remaining in seclusion by people's judgmental response of this 14-year-old. We assume everyone is in complete control of their facilities. The authorities should have tried to find her rather than assume she was dead. What a great loss for even one human being to leave this sometimes-cruel world before their time. YES, GOOD DOCTOR, a "little compassion" is well in order here!
I don’t care what anyone says, that grown man is disgusting. Even if he didn’t force her, he allowed it. How is it possible a grown man doesn’t realize how much she would lose by allowing her to hide in his house for 5 years, starting at 14 years old. These were formative years that she would never get back. He did not have her best interests at heart. This was not love.
I agree with your analysis. We don't know if he "groomed" her. It is possible that she took the lead in her initial disappearance and that initially he felt obliged to help her. But he should not have let this go on for more than a few days (if that).
This is a shock! I didnt know Natasha had died, and by suicide? This is tragic. She carried a weight on her shoulders that she should not have had to bear.
Every country town in Australia (and the US) has guys in their late teens and early twenties having sex with fourteen and fifteen year old girls, many with the consent of the parents. Generations of unemployment, limited education, and other factors have sadly made this behaviour somewhat commonplace. 35 year old grandmothers are not rare.
Hello Dr. Grande, your exceptional expertise and insightful analysis have made your work truly phenomenal. I am thoroughly impressed by your ability to dissect complex cases and provide thoughtful commentary, and I eagerly anticipate each new episode. Your dedication to understanding the human psyche and behavior is truly commendable. ~ Sonia
I was groomed at 14 by a 26 year old man I met on a 1-900 chat line in January 1990. He said exactly what I needed to hear to become his victim. My life was full of neglect and @buse and I fell for it. Natasha was a literal child. OF COURSE SHE WAS A VICTIM.
One thing I felt was overlooked in the discussion was regarding the fact that she committed suicide at the end of her life. Clearly, she suffered mental health issues throughout her life. Specifically what I’m referring to is the fact that she seemingly had her life completely pulled together with what would be a wonderful job as far as pay and benefits being aradiology nurse. That is a very professional and highly paid field. So, suicide is in congruous with what appeared to be her lifestyle which leads me to believe she suffered depression throughout her life.
Australia is odd when it comes to age related issues….I’ve seen several true crime stories that involve young girls being preyed upon by older men in Australia and they are never prosecuted for being with a child. 😢 I mean this crap happens everywhere, there are predators of every nationality….but it seems like they don’t much care about it in Australia. Especially in the smaller towns and the outback. Come to think of it, there are quite a few in the UK too…especially England and Wales. 🤔
I was watching an interview with Natasha & her parents & the mother said “she hated Natasha for this” & all I could think was how self centered the mother is when her child was groomed & tricked into being hidden away & to still blame her daughter ?
This happened in my State - it was a huge shock when she was found. Allegedly her Dad never spoke to her again. Australia was disgusted with her but it was very sad when she passed over 😢
Thank you for this. Living in Australia, but I only heard about this case when news of her death was reported a week or so ago. Australians love to kick someone first, before bothering to consider that mental health issues are at play.
Dr. Grande. I often watch your show. It’s really very good and informative. I watched a couple of shows tonight. I listened to your introduction I’ve always meant to ask you, for what reasons would your show be on Patreon?
I find this to be a fascinating love story. Scott knew he'd get in trouble for cohabiting with a 14 year old, but he loved her and she loved him enough to spend years inside a closet. And like many classic love stories, this one too had a tragic ending.
Similar thing happened in our town he was married to a friend's cousin and I worked with him. He was found with a teen in a small hidden room. He was arrested but hung himself before he could get to a trial
The dude groomed her and gave her the comfort she craved. Seeing interviews with her mom infuriates me. That CHILD was failed at the most vulnerable moment in her life. How people are trying to make her the villain is unbelievable to me. She was controlled and taken advantage of. She was seeking some kind of normality. She felt this with Scott. Anyone who thinks a 14 year old can make adult decisions needs their head checked.
Western Canada midnight hour july 6 Friday. Just my observation.the commenters on this Chanel are always so caring in there comments. It gives me some hope during the dark night of the soul
When I was 14, I kept attempting to run away. I’m so glad I was found and was sent away. If you’re sent away, it’s a lot like running away, except your parents know where you are. I just needed time away, even suggesting to my mom after the second attempt that they should let me go, even short-term. She naturally disagreed with my logic and I was kept home until they flew me far away. I’m so glad I made it.
This was crazy! Q: Have you or could you do a video on Wade Wilson? His trial is going on now in Florida. Very interested to hear your thoughts on what’s going on with him and his complicated upbringing.
Dr. Grande, as more information comes out, you should take a look at Bionca Ellis. She randomly stabbed a 3 year old in a grocery store parking lot in Ohio and smiled at her bail/bond hearing. Creepy
The police surely believed that Scott and Natasha were sleeping together when she was 14, proving it on the other hand to gain a conviction is a whole other story.
Runaways often leave because conditions at home are intolerable.
She got lucky to end up with a good man who provided for her and gave her a fulfilling life.
Or they don’t want to abide by the rules. They think they are grown.
No shit Sherlock
Citation needed.
Considering how her mother made it all about her and how she was so mad and couldn’t look at her is narc behaviour. I’m willing to bet her mother’s mental and emotional abuse is why she left. Narc mothers are something else..
It seems that scott groomed her and kept her convinced that she had to hide.. it sounds like an abusive relationship to me. Poor Natasha
I don't know, even after she came out they stayed together and had 4 children together, it sounds to me like they actually loved each other. It's more likely that two people loved each other than one being a predator, loving couples are far more common than predators, his actions were questionable due to her age, but if he was a pedo, he would of lost interest the day she became, and looked as a women, also if she was doing something that she questioned, she wouldn't of hid the fact that they were having sex when she was underage, this fact was obviously never divulged because Scott was never charged for it.
This was not love. Nothing about this situation was even remotely close to love.
@@kingcosworth2643L take. just for the fact that a lot of pedofiles are also attracted to men/women of legal age. saying he is not a pedofile while also having sex (raping, lets call it what it is) with a child
She knew exactly what she was doing.
Shows how much of a bad joke the AU justice system often is
Poor kid was guilt-tripped by the mother, shamed by society, and manipulated by an adult male. She took all the responsibility onto her fragile psyche, and the shame and regret overwhelmed her.
Well said poor girl
Excellent and pithy analysis.
Bingo, common sense is still alive.
Manipulated into what? Being a mother of four with a nursing career?
Victimize me please.
It's crazy how aduld's madness can drown somebody so young who was probably more real than anybody she was surronded by ❤
100% agree Natasha was a victim at 14yrs old.
Of course! Poor girl
Makes you wonder why she got away from her family, particularly mother and why she couldn't talk to her mother and return. I've watched the interview on 60 minutes, and the mother was very infuriating. No love there at all of taking responsibility for her lack of skills as a mother.
@@SueSA2009 Too bad it wasn't Dr. Phil or some other mental health professional that had insight into narcissistic parents and how they can really destroy their own children to save themselves. So sad.
I disagree. She went on to become a good person that simply took the wrong medication. Their marriage and family disproves your theory.
Disagree. She matured rapidly enough to smoke cigarettes and find a man who she would later marry and have 4 kids and become a nurse. Oh the horror.
The way we treat victims like her is shameful . Rest in Peace Natasha
The only thing she was a victim of was SSRI's.
the 60min interview broke my heart. Everyone shamed her. Even her own mother. And let me be clear: I do not want to shame her mother - she too, did the best she could. But that clearly wasn't enough. But that wasn't her mum's fault either. Listen to the last 10minutes of her interview and you will know 90% of what's wrong with australia. They were even talking about how to PUNISH her. What a perverted idea to even think about punishing a 14yo runaway! She had great reasons to runaway. Everyone does.
@@tails5303 there is no situation in which a fourteen year old girl is not a victim when she is in a relationship with a twenty two year old man. you are vile.
Poor child/woman. Natasha was a victim all along the line.
If she was "self-centered", it would be unsurprising. Her emotional development was halted at the age of 14.
Her mother is a monster. Blaming Natasha for her situation is cruel. I am so sorry that no one loved her or cared enough to give her the mental health care she needed.
some would argue, that you are a monster for calling her mother a monster. i'd argue that you're just as flawed as her. but in other ways. her mother clearly didn't do well, but that doesn't mean she didn't do her best.
I mean, yeah, it seems pretty clear she was a victim. She was a 14-year-old who was groomed by an adult, married her abuser and then suicided by the age of 40. He ruined her life. She should have been allowed to outgrow her teenage rebellious stage without the interference of a predator. Absolutely gross that a media outlet paid for their wedding photos as if normalizing statutory rape was okay.
If you're the Murdoch media mega-giant, you can make anything seem normal. They made a president out of Donald Trump 😂
@@christinelee4780don’t worry a lot of us are normal over here and just see the Cheeto man as the criminal he is. I hate this country a lot of times, but I’m chronically ill and disabled and it’s super hard gaining the right kind of visa to live in another country.
There's literally no evidence of groomer or abuse there mentioned in the video. Sure it's possible, but you still just made it up.
@@christinelee4780 Don’t you guys ever get tired of talking about the guy
@@gavinjenkins899 No an adult being with a 14 year old is abuse it doesn’t need to be explained
It's unreal that this guy never got prosecuted for harboring a minor in his home. I just don't understand how no one saw that as a problem.
The laws of legal age are probably different in Australia? Just a theory.
He was jailed for a year.
4:34 sentenced to 3 years with 2 suspended
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In Australia, even talking to kids sets off a witch hunt.
What a strange case. Poor Natasha. I can’t wrap my head around Dr. Grande saying he doesn’t know if she’s a victim or not. She’s clearly a victim. Being groomed by an adult male when she was 14. She wasn’t old enough to make any adult decisions. She was a kid. She WAS a victim. It’s apparent. She was obviously messed up by all this. She even took her own life. I feel so sorry for her.
A rare miscue by Dr. Grande... without a doubt, Natasha was a victim through and through-from age 14 as a minor victim of sexual battery, false imprisonment, kidnapping, psychological and emotional abuse, and God knows what, she deserves exoneration in death. Poor thing.
@@claradiaz3147I don’t know…I’ve found him to be harder on the women. I think if it had been a boy instead of girl…he might have said something different…
Dr Grande is a psychologist who makes snarky, salacious true crime videos - he's a weird guy.
Why is she a victim? 14 year olds have boyfriends. This one guided her to a successful life as a mother and nurse.
@@claradiaz3147 I ended up marrying the girl I dated in high school. Sure, our birthdays are only 3 months apart, not seven years, but clearly she made a good decision with him considering how it turned out.
Could it be that her boyfriend convinced her that she would be in trouble with the law if she was found? I was in a similar situation when I was younger. I'm sure she wanted to protect her boyfriend... this is ALWAYS how young girls feel when being taken advantage of by older men. Protect the perp. Bless her heart. I wish she knew the truth. I spent YEARS protecting a liar, cheater and a thief... that just so happened to be my pastor. I know what she went through. So sad.
@gepfam I do too. I see you ❤ wish you healing
OMG! You poor thing.
I've always felt that the adult in the situation, her groomer...boyfriend...was the only one who should have faced any kind of prosecution. At the time this crime happened, even if Natasha had chosen to run away, she was not of the age of consent & so not responsible.
She was responsible for running away, she was not abducted. Being under 18 does not mean you are void of any agency or responsible for your actions. If a 14 year old robs someone or murders someone, they are responsible.
A 14 yr old is not an adult, is in the process of puberty and their brain has not fully matured enough to understand the long term consequences of their choices.
@@kingcosworth2643Consent. Minors cannot CONSENT to intimate relationships with adults. Idk where you got that kids should just be absolved of any wrong doing. That’s not what’s going on here. She was manipulated by an adult groomer. A predator.
If he did it today, Scott would be guilty of child abduction under section 363A of the Queensland Criminal Code:
363A Abduction of child under 16
(1) Any person who unlawfully takes an unmarried child under the age of 16 years out of the custody or protection of the child’s father or mother, or other person having the lawful care or charge of the child, and against the will of the father, mother or other person, is guilty of a crime, and is liable to imprisonment for 7 years.
(2) It is immaterial that the offender believed the child to be of or above the age of 16 years.
(3) It is immaterial that the child was taken with the consent of or at the suggestion of the child.
However, section 363A was enacted on Novermber 14, 2000 and came into force on July 1, 2001. Scott abducted Natasha in 1998.
@@kingcosworth2643 Legally, a child cannot consent to that with an adult. And there do exist different punishments for adults and children for the same crimes.
They shouldn’t have charged her, it led her to believe she was a perpetrator when she was a victim. Knowing public opinion was against her,couldn’t have been an easy life. Let down by everyone,poor thing.
Rip Natasha. 💔
I disagree. Obviously she should not have been charged, but that's not why she tapped out. She tapped out because of a bad reaction from medication.
He should have went to prison for years so Natasha could have had a chance to detach from him .
She didn't do it during the year she had, what makes you think having one more would have changed that?
“He should have GONE to prison ..” Sorry , bad grammar gives me hives .
And what kind of justice would that have resolved? His only "victim" was a girl that became a woman who ended up getting married and having 4 kids and becoming a nurse. Perhaps all of you are wrong about him? Not all men who date young are predators. Some actually do rescue girls like her from the streets and a bad life.
@@ashley_biden 14 year old children need to be with their parents. They don’t need to be “rescued “ and sexually violated by grown men. Defending pedophiles is really disgusting.
@@TheMattTrakker I think more time would have made a huge difference and I’m not talking about just one more year. That man deserved a decade minimum. He groomed and brainwashed her . Something like that takes more than one year to overcome and see clearly. You should do some research .
"She was living a nightmare but convinced herself she was having the best time ever". Even if this statement is true based on Natasha's own testimony and not just Dr Grandes' opinion, she wasn't even an adult mentally able to make an assessment of what a great time actually means. It's so disturbing to think Natasha could aquire an education for nursing and have 4 children in the span of a decade and nobody realized how depressed and emotionally or psychologically ill she really was. Too bad her mother didn't fight for her. If it was my daughter I would be praying constantly for some sorely needed intervention prior to her death. Poor Natasha never had a friend, mother, father or husband who cared about her.
Exactly. I wish she had someone advocating for her. So very sad.
Some kids don't want help and some kids have an escape via running away or exiting permanently. I don't think she would have been happy in any situation.
@@LifesPeachy321 When her mother realized (if she ever did) , that Natasha had no discipline early on as a teenager the mother could have tried to get help. Her mother was ignorant and may have had her own personal trials leaving no time for Natashia. So sad neither of them had a caring, intelligent friend. I feel bad for the four children she left now with no mother. RIP Natasha.
Except, if you listen to her interviews, she was very angry with her parents at the time. Faking your death/pretending to be dead is very cruel to th3 people who) over you.
@@messrsandersonco5985she was 14. Just stop
Natasha was trying to move on the best she could. Not easy to become a radiology nurse and have 4children in 10 or so years. No mention of her children makes me wonder if Grandma has gained any insight since the suicide of Natasha.
Substance abuse. My mom died around the same age, with as many kids, her liver gave out when she drank herself to death. She died in her 2nd house in a town we vacationed in every year, so she was treated and provided for well - much like Natasha, despite these pseudo-hero feminists calling him a villain. Don't discount the chemical element, because my dad had committed suicide 2 years prior to this while on prozac, hanging.
At 14 I thought anyone over 18 was practically a senior citizen. If a 21 year old tried to start chatting me up I would have been horrified!!!!!!!
You are right, that is exactly why this guy was obviously not a paedophile.
As if. In the 90s girls at my school had 23 yr old boyfriends when they were 15. One had a 20 yr old one and they waited till her 16th birthday to have sex. Perfectly normal.
@@lizb4156 common doesn’t mean it’s normal. that’s gross and your comment about a child’s virginity made me gag.
@@lizb4156it's not perfectly normal, have you really thought this through
When I was 14 all the girls I knew were dating guys as old as 21
when you're a child in a broken home, it's very easy to end up "dating" an older man. it's never dating, it's always grooming. this hits home. poor Natasha
Oh my gosh, what a tragic story. I am grateful Dr. Grande was sympathetic. Children are not "manipulative" by trying to escape distress.
It just bothers me that 14 year old girls are called “women who date older men” and 14 year old boys are called… boys. She was a child when this all happened.
i think you find it's the opposite , women who do this to boys are treated far more leniently,
She was also a smoker. You miss that part?
He ended up being a pretty decent husband and father, actually...
@@clarissa-xd9iu Years of providing.
@@BlackJesus8463
Providing for a woman who had spent her youth in his own closet and later killed herself.
Not proving the point in qustion.
The public and everyone else blamed her. No wonder she struggled.
Lots of the public didn’t blame her. Lots of people called for him to be charged.
As an Australian I’m feeling very sad for Natasha’s family and children. Thank you
One stupid decision snowballs into a giant ball of trouble
“One stupid decision” is a completely insane way to describe the r*p* of a child, and those likes speak volumes about the inherent sexism of our culture.
One bit of this story that is mysterious is this: she said she voluntarily hid out at the boyfriend's house - to get away from her Mother who she was fighting with. When found alive her mother was not overjoyed to find her daughter again, was not throwing welcome parties - when interviewed she was all about 'i'll have to learn to forgive her, she'll have to earn my trust'. She was just angry that her daughter had hurt her. So - more to this than meets the eye.
Calling a grown man who was living with a 14 year old child a “boyfriend” is revolting. Pedophile is the correct term.
He was 21 !!
Doesn't matter @@swarti2036
@swarti2036 exactly, he was an adult and she was a child.
@@au_barbthis happened a lot back in the 90s and 2000s. i was in HS in 2003 and remember freshman girls bragging about dating college guys.
Hebephile is the correct term, as she was between the ages of 11 and 14. Not that that changes anything. She was a child and he groomed her.
She is a victim Dr Grande. She was 14. If he was a decent human being, he would have immediately called her mother
Well, her mother was pretty awful, too. He should have immediately gotten her some mental health care.
I remember here in Queensland at the time, people would graffiti _"Natasha Ryan was here"_ inside storage closets at work places, etc.
You consistently generate interesting content, Dr. Grande!
Technically and logically, she was a victim. Did anyone know if she received a diagnosis at any point? Clearly, she should have. It seems like everyone failed her. Making an "example" of her by suing her is just ridiculous.
She came out of that closet only to realize that the monsters on the outside, would judge her until she self-exited.
She was a child, groomed and manipulated, and therefore not responsible for her own disappearance. Scott is a predator.
She was also a master manipulator.
@@Blackheathenly Not really.
@@BlackheathenlyOk Scott
Sometimes it is the young girl who makes the first move for a connection. I had worked at a school and seen how some fully knew what was going on and would throw out bait even if it was just to set up someone to get them in trouble. I knew to keep away from them.
@@david-dj8or schoolchildren “throwing out bait“. How lucky for them that you managed to “keep away” … smh 🤦♀️
Very compassionate take. RIP Natasha.
Another sad case. She was taken advantage of and what a terrible life. Great points as always. Thanks Dr G😊❤❤
6/11/24 Scott not thoroughly investigated after first time. Was 14 yo child, preyed on by 21 yo 7 yr age gap. Natasha was the victim, no one treated her as one. Fined her, he got 3 yrs, but served 1 yr. They failed her!
Yep. Literally everyone failed her. Her mother failed her, the school counselors, her friends and the police. Then when they did find her they persecuted her instead of comforting her and letting her know she was manipulated and taken advantage of. As a mother, I’m experiencing severe second hand shame for that poor girl. 😢
Tiny house extremist!! You're comedy is great and your deadpan delivery is tops.
Love your analysis, Dr Grande no affiliation with Ariana Grande
No he’s referring to his tool!
No affiliation to a Starbucks drink
No he’s referring to his tool!
😂😂😂
That was clever frost🙄
It’s ludicrous that Leonard’s other confessions could be given any credence.
its true, he would have told them anything to get out of general population in prison. its possible that there are murderers of the other 2 victims roaming free.
@@lukeydukesup782 I don't think it matters. They already struck a deal. It is possible the deal had wacky contingency rules on it, but probably not, since he would have just balked at that and not said anything, if it looked sketchy I imagine.
I appreciate your sensitive and compassionate treatment of this case Dr. Grande, nice job!
this makes me feel immense pain…
thank you Dr. Grande.
Why? She was ok.
Me too. Its so extremely sad. She felt guilty for running away.....then guilty for being found.
She carried huge amount of shame.
It wasn't her shame to carry.
Poor woman. She was absolutely lovely.
Agree she was a victim. But after being on social media Im convinced people love to hate and throw stones.
Oh MAN, did they drop the ball on this one!
Thanks doc for another thoughtful analysis. I would like to direct you to a disturbing case out of the western suburbs in my hometown of Cleveland, Ohio. Last week, a mother and her 3 year old boy were leaving a grocery store when a woman approached them and stabbed them. She was a complete stranger. The mother was stabbed once and recovered. The boy was stabbed in the face and back and died the next day. I work with the courts in Cleveland and the case is pretty big here. It is also coming to light that the assailant likely had a documented mental health history and despite being supposedly ordered to a mental health evaluation, a judge released her without the evaluation being done. Then she committed this offense several days later. There are other goings-on that indicate she may have committed a similar offense out of state. The woman has been behaving in an odd manner in court, and many people think she is "faking" mental illness. We'll see what happens- but I would love it if you could look at the case, and perhaps talk about how someone can have legitimate mental illness, AND in many cases, still understand right from wrong. I have no idea if that's the case for this woman, but I know people are forming their opinions already as we're apt to do these days. Anyway, thanks again! I always look forward to your thoughts!
Very upsetting case. 💔
The fact that they failed to see her boyfriend as a predator is the the first mistake of many! He should have been charged with statutory rape at a minimum and kidnapping by verbally mind fucking her and using her parents divorce and her dislike for school to lure her into voluntary captivity! The fact that he was ok with hiding her in his home says a lot, says he knew it was socially unacceptable for him to be with a 14 year old and showed he was ashamed ! That is an admission of guilt in my book!
Thoughtful, respectful analysis. And I could listen to the not-actually-a-murder part all day.
I love your dry humor, Dr. Grande. It’s subtle and I don’t think a lot of people catch it, because I don’t see a lot of comments about it. But just so you know, I notice. ❤
Yes! I just watched the 60 minutes video and was shocked at how much it blamed Natasha! And comments were disabled! I hated how much her mother played the victim card! She was a 14 year old girl - if everything was going great at home she never would have run away - obviously! I guess there were major problems going on in the family home (abuse of some sort) which made her want to run away. And the interviewer on 60 minutes blamed Natasha, which is deplorable in my mind! Your analysis of the situation is way more balanced than 60 minutes. Thank you, and RIP Natasha.
All I can say is, what a frickin mess. I think her parents failed her miserably. She had mental health problems right from the beginning of her life and a family that was likely dysfunctional. Plenty of misery with few solutions explored.
Thanks Dr G, this was a strange one for sure.
Excellent video 📹
Sadly 😥, four children without a mother 👨🍼.
Regards from Crawley- West Sussex, England Dr Grande.
Regards
Sebastian 🙋♂️
love your channel! find your wit and humor refreshing! thank you
SPOT ON!!! Natasha was justified by remaining in seclusion by people's judgmental response of this 14-year-old. We assume everyone is in complete control of their facilities. The authorities should have tried to find her rather than assume she was dead. What a great loss for even one human being to leave this sometimes-cruel world before their time. YES, GOOD DOCTOR, a "little compassion" is well in order here!
The reaction from the public was very much justified, and Natasha was no victim as an adult either. She was a mess all around.
Very true
@@carsonsmith8607 what a disgusting comment
I don’t care what anyone says, that grown man is disgusting. Even if he didn’t force her, he allowed it. How is it possible a grown man doesn’t realize how much she would lose by allowing her to hide in his house for 5 years, starting at 14 years old. These were formative years that she would never get back. He did not have her best interests at heart. This was not love.
She knew what she was doing.
@@BlackheathenlyYour comment shows a lack of education and empathy.
I agree with your analysis. We don't know if he "groomed" her. It is possible that she took the lead in her initial disappearance and that initially he felt obliged to help her. But he should not have let this go on for more than a few days (if that).
@@susankeith326I’ve they’re all over the comments making these remarks, obsessively so…almost as if they were Scott. 😖
This is a shock! I didnt know Natasha had died, and by suicide? This is tragic. She carried a weight on her shoulders that she should not have had to bear.
Yep..the victim being alive complicated the case ...love that she was a prosecution witness anyway...
AWESOME Dr Todd Grande you are amazing. Thank you for delving into this complex case.
She committed suicide last week.
Sadly, she left behind four children.
Every country town in Australia (and the US) has guys in their late teens and early twenties having sex with fourteen and fifteen year old girls, many with the consent of the parents. Generations of unemployment, limited education, and other factors have sadly made this behaviour somewhat commonplace.
35 year old grandmothers are not rare.
They were it like a badge of honour but it’s really not. Especially when they can’t afford those children due to a lack of education.
Not her "boyfriend." Her groomer.
"A tiny house movement extremist." 🤔🙄
Hello Dr. Grande, your exceptional expertise and insightful analysis have made your work truly phenomenal. I am thoroughly impressed by your ability to dissect complex cases and provide thoughtful commentary, and I eagerly anticipate each new episode. Your dedication to understanding the human psyche and behavior is truly commendable. ~ Sonia
Kudos to hardworking Dr. Grande.
I was groomed at 14 by a 26 year old man I met on a 1-900 chat line in January 1990. He said exactly what I needed to hear to become his victim. My life was full of neglect and @buse and I fell for it. Natasha was a literal child. OF COURSE SHE WAS A VICTIM.
We need Dr Grande t-shirts. “Not diagnosing only speculating “
If they haven't made this into a movie already, they really should. It's quite a story...
That's a very sad story.
One thing I felt was overlooked in the discussion was regarding the fact that she committed suicide at the end of her life. Clearly, she suffered mental health issues throughout her life. Specifically what I’m referring to is the fact that she seemingly had her life completely pulled together with what would be a wonderful job as far as pay and benefits being aradiology nurse. That is a very professional and highly paid field. So, suicide is in congruous with what appeared to be her lifestyle which leads me to believe she suffered depression throughout her life.
brillant annalysis - increcdible dry humor. = fantastic
That’s the best pronunciation I’ve heard of ‘Brisbane’ by a non Australian.
I live in Brisbane. 👏🏻
This guy was never charged for keeping a minor in his home for years?
Australia is odd when it comes to age related issues….I’ve seen several true crime stories that involve young girls being preyed upon by older men in Australia and they are never prosecuted for being with a child. 😢
I mean this crap happens everywhere, there are predators of every nationality….but it seems like they don’t much care about it in Australia. Especially in the smaller towns and the outback.
Come to think of it, there are quite a few in the UK too…especially England and Wales. 🤔
Probably because she turned out alright?
@@ashley_biden she killed herself, how is that turning out “all right”?
Wait. Didn’t he get three years, but served one in prison?
@@melissadunton3534 Yeah, like a hundred years after her success.
I want to hear an analysis of the bus hijacking in Atlanta today.
I was watching an interview with Natasha & her parents & the mother said “she hated Natasha for this” & all I could think was how self centered the mother is when her child was groomed & tricked into being hidden away & to still blame her daughter ?
This happened in my State - it was a huge shock when she was found. Allegedly her Dad never spoke to her again. Australia was disgusted with her but it was very sad when she passed over 😢
When the murder victim, in court, testifies, "I am actually alive", that does make it difficult to prove otherwise.
“Some would argue that murder was the most important part.” Can not fault the logic here. 👍🏻
So who sent the anonymous letter to the police? I kept expecting you to say it was Natasha
it was anonymous.
Lol
Your dry wit slays me everytime! 😂😂😂😂😂
Thank you for this. Living in Australia, but I only heard about this case when news of her death was reported a week or so ago. Australians love to kick someone first, before bothering to consider that mental health issues are at play.
That seems to be the theme everywhere.
Wanting to disappear and wanting to unalive yourself are similar things that can haunt you until you give in to it.
I wonder how Natasha’s children are. They are victims too! Thank you Dr. Grande for a look at this unique case!
"Furthermore, if she was talking on the stand how could she be dead." and everything leading up to it was perfect Dr G humour! 😆 Poor Natasha, RIP
Very weird and sad case- she ran away from home, clearly not feeling safe there, but then ends up with a man who
Dr. Grande. I often watch your show. It’s really very good and informative. I watched a couple of shows tonight.
I listened to your introduction I’ve always meant to ask you, for what reasons would your show be on Patreon?
Because it helps support what he does. He has expenses too. Is there a problem with that.
I find this to be a fascinating love story. Scott knew he'd get in trouble for cohabiting with a 14 year old, but he loved her and she loved him enough to spend years inside a closet. And like many classic love stories, this one too had a tragic ending.
That end bit was poetic! 🙏
Similar thing happened in our town he was married to a friend's cousin and I worked with him. He was found with a teen in a small hidden room. He was arrested but hung himself before he could get to a trial
Hanged himself not hung.
@@TheBOG3 ya, I know
Hello Dr. Grande…thank you for such an interesting case. I am sad for her four children and Natasha’s sad ending❤️💕🙏from Jean.
The dude groomed her and gave her the comfort she craved. Seeing interviews with her mom infuriates me. That CHILD was failed at the most vulnerable moment in her life. How people are trying to make her the villain is unbelievable to me. She was controlled and taken advantage of. She was seeking some kind of normality. She felt this with Scott. Anyone who thinks a 14 year old can make adult decisions needs their head checked.
Western Canada midnight hour july 6 Friday. Just my observation.the commenters on this Chanel are always so caring in there comments. It gives me some hope during the dark night of the soul
Dr. Grande please analyze the case of Lucy Morgan. Something isn't right! Thanks for this video.
When I was 14, I kept attempting to run away. I’m so glad I was found and was sent away. If you’re sent away, it’s a lot like running away, except your parents know where you are. I just needed time away, even suggesting to my mom after the second attempt that they should let me go, even short-term. She naturally disagreed with my logic and I was kept home until they flew me far away. I’m so glad I made it.
Thoughtful analysis.
Teenagers are the most misunderstood people in the world.
They don't even understand themselves.
And some of the most manipulative.
@@Blackheathenly is that what you tell people when they get grossed out that you sleep with teenagers? that they manipulated you into it?
Babies who aren't yet able to communicate their thoughts and feelings are the most misunderstood people in the world.
@@XYZ-kb3mm That's some weird projection you got going on there based on that other person's comment.
This was crazy! Q: Have you or could you do a video on Wade Wilson? His trial is going on now in Florida. Very interested to hear your thoughts on what’s going on with him and his complicated upbringing.
Dr. Grande, as more information comes out, you should take a look at Bionca Ellis. She randomly stabbed a 3 year old in a grocery store parking lot in Ohio and smiled at her bail/bond hearing. Creepy
Why wasn’t Scott convicted for being a pedophile?
On what grounds specifically?
@@eadweard.On the grounds that he's 21 and taking a 14 year old away from her house maybe???
@@h.b.theminimalist489 Kidnap?
They’d have to prove they had sex. If they did, but she lied and said they didn’t, there’s no way to charge him with that.
Ephebophilia. That's not a condonation by the way. But it's not the same thing.
U gave a whole new meaning to skeleton in the closet
Whats up doc!🐰
The police surely believed that Scott and Natasha were sleeping together when she was 14, proving it on the other hand to gain a conviction is a whole other story.
All I feel for her is compassion.. and a lot of sadness. Rest in peace, Natasha. Life is cruel, but people are crueler.
So sorry to hear that she killed herself. 😢