Major damage control over Pikamee graduation
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The fact that they try to rewrite history that she played the game, when she didn't even touch it goes to show that they do not want to be held accountable
So many people are buying into that story and it's so horrible. I've had to counter that point more than once. It's like people don't look into things they get offended for anymore. They just get offended.
@@R_Caine nobody does their due diligence.
Everyone praises humans being "emotional" creatures when it comes to art; but I find it a flaw when it comes to actually getting anything done, or learning anything.
Some people really should just admit if they don't know anything on a topic, to stay out of it.
I hate pathos heavy people, emotional people are the most dishonest you'll ever come across.
@@strategicperson95 Animals have emotion. It’s intellect that sets humans apart from animals, yet too many people choose to deny what makes them truly human - their intellect.
Yeah, I see people saying, "Oh, the game didn't come out until the 10th and the agreement for the merchandise was done on the 10th so she was gonna graduate already." As if it doesn't take 3 seconds to see all the backlash happened before that when she said she wanted to play it like 5 or 6 days in advance.
@@drewgarcia117 And I would've said to them, "Then why does it say sudden announcement on the letter?"
Those who claim they stand against hate turned out to be more hateful at anyone who doesn't blindly agree with them like sheep.
dayum 69 likes.
Yup and they turn around and cry victim when they get attacked for how they act.
@@ninjin1381 they cry out in pain as they strike you
They seem to think the situation is:
Them - "This game is racist, could you maybe stop streaming it please?"
Streamers - "No, I want to spread hate against minorities"
But in reality it's:
Streamers - "I don't see how this is racist. I think people are making wild leaps of logic to justify their initial idea, so I'm not gonna stop streaming this game because of them"
Them - "You and your entire family should kill yourselves for disagreeing with me"
Please research John Money and Alfred Kinsey.
This has been said before but these bullies awakened something they shouldn't have. Vtuber fans are people who are usually chill until you attack their community.
I honestly wish the worst for online bullies.
"Social media has made you all so comfortable disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it" - Mike Tyson.
They'll get what they have coming, one way or another. People that live to ruin lives, can only end in misery.
@@MalachiTheWendigo If only bro... if only
Give it about a month, we'll start seeing reports of these bullies getting fired, arrested, possibly even beaten. They angered some of the most vengeful communities on the internet. I'd say I felt sorry for them, but to quote Yusuke Urameshi "I don't like to lie!"
@@blitzcrank4840 They die alone and no one come for their burial
the vtuber community is a hornets nest
and twitter just kicked it
If Kotaku and polygon shut down tomrrow, nothing of value would be lost.
In honestly, they have lasted longer than they really had any right to.
Everytime I hear people talk about IGN, Kotaku and Polygon being places for gaming news, I mostly feel like an outsider going "wait, you guys listened to these people on making game purchases?"
Cause I just went with if the game interests me, then I'll buy and play it. If it doesn't, why waste money on something I'm not going to touch.
@@strategicperson95 lol yeah, imagine still using IGN polygon and kotaku as their reference for gaming in 2023 🤣
@@strategicperson95 yeah just the other day, my friend quoted IGN for game reviews and I said, "if I were you, I wouldn't be so quick to trust them :v"
It would be a gain for humanity
They wont shut down, because peoples retirement investments, are being Diverted through "Black Rock".. and they keep funding the toxic WOKE circus. They dont care about how much of YOUR money that they burn through... while trying to brainwash and corrupt the minds of the Youth. These people are straight up EVIL.
They'll try to do anything they can to avoid accountability for what they did.
That's what cowards do.
@@jaylenharris343 yeah. And I'm not buying the "she was going to graduate anyway" argument. Even if she were to graduate right thay same day, that wouldn't change the fact that they harassed her in the farewell moment
@@SergioLeonardoCornejo everything was going fine until they showed up.
even worst they gaslighting like pikamee and her fans are the bad guys
Correct me if I'm wrong, but, I barely remember anyone who owns their responsability when they ruin someone else's lives.
These weirdos really put their cause back a lot. Their vitriol for innocent people playing a game backfired immensely.
I don't think they were/are real trans. I think they are using it as an excuse to attack anyone.
@@angelphoenix7784 they are their allies,its all trans flags in their bio
@@angelphoenix7784 Yes, they are "transtrenders", as I always call them. Real transsex and transgenders have enough to deal with their identity problems, that they have the energy and will to go to the internet and harass people. But: I don't omit them from blame: they should take the energy and tell these "allies" to f up.
Honest people catching strays for terminally online people's mistakes is a tragedy. Folks from all walks of life can hopefully unite in correctly identifying, and maybe solving, the problem here.
NEVER forgive, never forget these virtual terrorists. You can do something about those human scum.
Good to know Kotaku doesn't consider death threats "harassment"
They would like to plead the 5th on that.
So I guess it's ok to do it to them, just end it with "disclaimer: this is criticism." Heh.
Saying "men are men and women are women" is "literal violence and trans genocide".
Literally threatening to k*ll and r*pe a vtuber for planning to play a Harry Potter game is "just some criticism".
This is how they think, because they hate you and all normal people.
Kotaku believes in rules for thee but not for me
These people always believe they can do no wrong because they're on the "right side of history".
Yeah, that f*&$ term.
I HATE IT So Much. There is NO SUCH THING AS THE RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY. History is the research of an event that combines both science and art, since unless you have a time machine we are mostly running on educated guesses (unless you are blinded by an ideology/agenda) of how things were based on what evidence we do have from that time period.
That however is hard since people are bias by nature. But, the other reason I hate this phrase is that I'm sure the losers in History thought they were on the "Right Side of History" as much as the Victors did; only for events to play out differently.
Its a simple game of chance. A few decades ago these folk were hunted down and hanged. I bet these people would never have the guts to stand against that sort of opression and would be on the opposite side. These people that believe they can do whatever they want as long as the polical narrative allows immunity is pure evil.
just like how the US army has been the good guys that havent done any warcrimes shill.
Yeah, and so did the Germans when the Nazis came into power.
Look how that turned out.
These "loud minority" arses are probably either trolls who want to make the trans community look bad, or are legit fragile little shits who have nothing better to do than using online anonymity to harass other people online, and inadvertently alienating their "cause" by being toxic as f***
Claiming Right side of history as history is happening is such an egocentric garbage view of themselves.
Acting like the fact Pikamee may have always been planning to graduate somehow excuses the fact that the harassment happened in the first place just burns me up
I assume she wanted to for various reasons, but perhaps VOMS convinced her to reconsider or something, and after the Hogwarts harassment, felt embarrassed for doing so.
They’re also ignoring the fact that all vtubers are planning on graduating. Everybody retires at some point, but Pikamee definitely chose to retire now rather than later because of the harassment.
@@timberthus2562 Have you watched VOMS project's announcement for pop-up shop? They have been planning it for a long time to commemorate pikamee's graduation. She can't "Retire Later". It will derail the everything they have planned.
@@ScarletX4 Bullshit. Way to cover for terrorists.
@@UltimateThanos Tell it to the organization lol cuz that's not my words. And what is the possible reason they are covering up for them?? What? They are "ALLY" to trans people? And what is your source that this is bullshit? Cuz this is official statement. If you want to call official statement bs, you gotta provide more firm evidence than that, trust me bro won't fly
She said on stream today that she was very nervous about streaming again, but her dad checked the comments section and told her it was full off support and positivity wich made her comfortable to go live again after so long....these are the actions of a person who was harassed...not some1 who was planning on leaving
Yea i caught the whole 1h stream while I was at college and was balling my eyes out the whole time in the back esspecially when she thanked us all for the positivity and love we were showing her on twitter and in the comments
Perhaps she was planning on leaving, but to go radio silent for nearly a month with only 2 more months planned is ridiculous, and she DEFINITELY got bullied out of playing the game.
@@beardalaxy yep they bully and gaslight and cry the victim when they are called out.
They are a protect class so we can't even criticize them without risking our posts being removed for hate speech. They don't tolerate us but demand that we submit. It is intolerable. The gaslighting and deflection make it worse and make me want to be even less tolerant and more mean. Bullies like them deserve to find out that sometimes there are bigger bullies.
@@beardalaxy In Pikamees new year stream she talked about how excited she was for year 4 of streaming, very clear she had no intentions of retiring this year as of Jan 1st
@@Cowpiepizza4 Im guessing because of the the low iq site that is twitter cause some old wounds to open up which is sad especially pikamee who got bullied to a point she shut her self away from the world.
As a burned man once said,
"It is one thing to forgive a slap across my cheek; but an insult to the Lord requires... no, demands correction."
"My name is Inego Montoya. You killed my Pikamee. Prepare to die!"
There is a line I like, "He can have my life; my possessions; anything. Anything but you!"
I'm the other way around, I forgive any insult to the Lord, but if someone just even slightly touches me. They are only leaving the precinct on an ambulance.
There are rules of engagent on a social encounter. If someone stays distant and trash talks you, that's ok, they are in their right. But when someone enters the space within 2m of your vicinity the mofo is trying to attack you. You have all the right in the world to play dentist with the bastard.
There's no such a thing as pacifism against someone invading your personal space.
If you try to avoid or defuse the situation in these conditions, you are a coward, plain and simple.
That's why I find the law to be very problematic, people should be allowed to resort to battery and assault in these conditions. There's no such a thing as peaceful solution against people who seek war on purpose.
"...we can't expect God to do all the work."
I am NOT an ally to trans people
I am NOT an ally to any race
I am NOT an ally to any group
I AM an ally to people that are decent people, the rest does not matter
Couldn't say it better
I'm an Allie to non-assholes.
😏😎
As my pops used to say. Respect should be earned.
Your place in society doesn't determine how I treat you.
I am NOT allie to people who like harassing and bullying people..
I’ve seen so many people going from shaming trans people to saying she deserved it to her own fans. It’s like a fire in a burning forest but I only hope she can have a happy life
@@ykiikii Exactly!
@@ykiikii all the community has to do is disavow them.
This trans war on the internet it will last for a while, 2 sides angry at each other doing cringe jokes like a circus. Pikamee is a pretty cool vtuber and I hope too she can get the support she deserve for all the good that she did.
NEVER forgive, never forget these virtual terrorists. You can do something about those human scum.
@@ykiikii if the trooner community won't silence it's rabid dogs don't be surprised when people come for the whole kennel
Twitter users are the type of people to get mad at you saying “Hail Hydra.”
Or "All hail the galactic empire "
Heh, pretty creative with this type of comment.
Well they get mad at people who play a game that apparently has transpeople in it soooooo....
Hell i bet even "for the emperor" is of bad taste for them.
@@TheProphetOfThePan I prefer that one. Damn those xenos
I said it before and will say it again: these people are full on abusive and what Kotaku did in downplaying the harassment and putting the blame on Pikamee’s fans is practically a textbook case of abuse. The internet knows exactly what happened, we all have the receipts to prove it.
Well because majority of Kotaku and Polygons writing staff lives on twitter.
Apparently 4chaners doxxed the people who bullied her off the internet.
They did? If so then good.
God bless that hacker 4chan whoever he is.
Proof?
I think that was for Pippa Pipkin
not all of them yet, but it will be done
or so I heard
Whether or Not Pikamee was going to graduate previously doesn't matter, it doesn't excuse the behavior of the people that harassed her.
And Kotaku is trash, so anything printed there is already suspect.
If Kotaku was a printed paper, I wouldn't use it to scrape shit off my boots, line the cage of my chaos potatoes, or light a campfire. The last one especially; it's such a dumpster fire, it reeks.
They/them did it. Also Kotaku is basically asking to get sued
I want Kotaku to actually burn to the ground.
Again
honestly, misgendering them is pretty much deserved at this point
Not necessarily, these are just people that live miserable pointless lives. They want to drag everyone down to their level because of jealousy. It's a sickness that has manipulated humanity for a long time. Don't let these fools cloud your judgment. There are good and bad people in every group, We have to start actively putting the bad apples in place in order to achieve some semblance of peace
I heard 4chan doxxed everyone who attacked Pikamee.
The bigger mistake is them going after Pippa next.
That one has a very "passionate" fanbase.
Passionate is a mild way of putting it XD
Pippa's fans cross contaminated with Metokur's fans.... We are in for a treat....
@@Azraelseraphim us from /pol/ too
Schadenfreude, totally mana for my soul. Hope someone would make a post when those freaks bawling in despair
They target Pippa now?
Goddamn. Let them. It'll make my day.
Thank you Hei for calling out this new narrative trying to downplay the Pikamee harrasment and turning this around into the trans community being the victim somehow
The people doing that are the worst. The people who did the abuse might be a small minority, but the people justifying it and proving themselves to be just as bad certainly aren't.
The axe wound men ALWAYS think they are the oppressed group.
this is just anime vtuber twitter degeneracy
ywnbaw
@@CosmicAeon idk if calling them the small minority is accurate when there are pages upon pages of tweets of absolute hatred toward pikamee and others. I think the small minority is more likely the ones who haven't been inflammatory.
@@beardalaxy i think it's less of they're a large chunk, and more, they've been given too much free reign.
This stuff have been a recurring problem, but it's never been properly handled.
My advice is if you want to make a group / community / something similar. Be sure to police the heck out of it. Try your hardest to keep the "bad apples" from join in. Call out the people who arent in your group but identifying as in your group. Its hard but not impossible.
Called Gate keeping, which people online see as wrong for some reason.
@@Klonoahedgehog Yep. If you find something you like, gatekeep the heck out of it. My gaming group has no qualms about kicking out troublemakers, though fortunately that’s only happened once.
Duh, it easy, they all have pronouns.
@@Klonoahedgehog Because gatekeeping for the most part has been for negative reasons than positive. Take hardcore side of the Fromsoft (aka Dark Souls) community for instance.
@@acedias12 bro "get gud" is literally all you can do in dark souls. If you can't figure out how to dodge or smartly block or parry the game cannot be played by you. It's not gatekeeping if it's actual advice
Thank you, Hero Hei for not letting the corpos sweep what actually happened under the rug with their blatant lies. Let no one be mistaken. And shame on Kotaku and that journalist yet again for even daring to try and stick up for those involved with Causing Pikamee to graduate.
this is just anime vtuber twitter degeneracy
ywnbaw
Kotaku is always on the side of evil
@@Karou812 they’ve yet to do a single good thing so far. Well nothing I’ve noticed. The least they could do is not make things worse by lying about it.
Stop calling them Journalists, they are not. They are the political/social cleaners and cover for the Militant side of their far left radical "activist" group. Mainstream media have not been "journalists" since the 90s, Kotaku was never Journalists, they were the rejects that failed out of Journalism, and they are the same type of people who were running the harassment against Pikamee in the first place, they just use the "legitimacy" of their platform to downplay, misinform, reflect, project, and misrepresent or straight out cover up the actions and faults of their fellows doing the dirty work, they're one in the same. In short most Mainstream Media and Kotaku as well as almost all of the other digital "rags" are Propaganda machines, bent on spreading the message and ideas of their political and societal beliefs, at any means necessary including sacrificing the truth, disguised as "journalism" or "Journalists".
@@Karou812
Making a devil under control is much nicer act they can do since they saw if the communirt reached the point of no return
I completely agree. They harassed Silvervale and Pikamee and no amount of gaslighting will make their misdeeds go away. On the bright side: A lot of people that had no knowledge of the situation are starting to look and from an outsider's point of view there's a much clearer view on who's on the wrong here, and it does give me hope.
"Behold the field in which I grow my journalistic integrity. Lay thine eyes upon it: Thou shall see that it is barren" -Kotaku
I think the author of the Kotaku article is part of the people who bullied Pikamee, or at least cheered for it.
Pikamee has been noted on saying how excited she was to stream on into 2024
with vtubing being the 'place she felt she belonged' as she was generally showered with the positivity and smiles she tried to give to others.
I've heard that both she, herself and her family had underwent some troubles at the beginning of the year and that she was excited to return and start streaming again, but as she returned, it was 9n the cusp of the fake suicide story. so I could only imagine the magnitude of the harassment she received.
and gods forbid if her family/friends received any as well.
Thats the thing with doxxing from absolute losers online. When they target one person. A young one at that.. They dox pretty much their family home. Which leads to their family being harassed as well.
Its evil and i genuinely wish any of those guys who just prey on innocent people like that the absolute worst. This stuff was similar to what happened to some friends of mine and now doxxing is a thing that absolutely pisses me off. it should just be illegal in general.
Wait, there was a fake suicide story??
@@Joefrenomics Yes it is. Funnily enough, a real suicide story caused by troons came out after that happened.
@@Joefrenomics
correct.
Don't cry because it's over. Smile because it happened. I wish Pikamee the best in her future endeavor.
its them, just a turtle. Ive seen you everywhere
She deserves justice, dammit!!!
This comment is a bot lol
@@neraslight4997 Aren't you a bot?
We all do
What makes this even worse is that people will continue to harass others for things they don't like.
Pikamee didn't deserve this. Now because of this, we have lost one of the greatest V-Tubers out there.
I hate bullies and enjoy when they finally get what is coming to them.
They’ll continue to harass because nobody ever fights back.
@@RedDragon-yp3tg I am fighting back with my content
@@RedDragon-yp3tg it’s called “The Pensuke Files”!, and you can see it by spreading my content and channel.
4chan apparently pulled a 4chan
@@RedDragon-yp3tg (as well as subscribing to it.)
I actually feel confident a new DSM will officially diagnose a Twitter disorder within the next 10 years.
You really think the Deep State will allow the DSM to exist past 2025?
Probably already in both dsm 5 and iv.
I wouldn't count on it. "Disorders" are on the way out. The DSM doesn't even count p-philia as a disorder any longer.
@@first__last it still is in dsm iv at least, haven't read dsm 5
Social Media Disorder is already a proposed addition currently being debated for inclusion in the DSM.
Sometimes I wish you could get past the block system on Twitter just so people like this can’t just run away from people who don’t agree with their choices.
only if they are the president lol
yeah, those same people would abuse the heck out of that. we're better off with bans.
Apparently 4chan managed to get past the block system... if you know what I mean.
@@ClokworkGremlin sasuga 4chan.
there is a addon for twitter that remove the log in screen on most browsers. just find the block part log out and read to your hearts content. Block does absolutly nothing, you could counter block and things got visible as well but not sure if that works anymore.
Figures. They'll always blame someone else and never themselves.
Trusting kotoko is like trusting CNN you should just expect disappointment and lies. I like pikmee it's a shame she's no longer going to stream
In the immortal words of Totalbiscuit: "Nobody takes Kotaku seriously! Kotaku's a rag!"
Kotaku is basically the CNN/MSNBC of gaming news. Specifically The Five and even more specifically Whoopy Goldberg and Joy Behar. LMAO.
one of Kotaku's major sponsors are probably the vtuber agencies or those twitter people.
Saying that Kotaku or CNN is honest would be like saying that Ted Bundy was pacifistic.
@@justinballou2203 that a good one
This is what cowardly bullies do, harass people and then play the victim when it happens to them.
What is with the article outright lying and veiling the entire hate campaign under "no evidence" and euphemisms? It's like the author wants to eradicate any evidence of death threats, bullying, insults, and vile vitriol towards Pikamee and by extension the other streamers who announced or played Hogwarts Legacy.
These people: who claim to be supposed allies of hatred and intolerance are cowardly and are hateful themselves. It's absolutely pathetic
Gladly enough, any evidence of hate towards Pikamee, and other streamers, have been archived, even if people decide to delete it.
Welcome to 1984, Winston.
It's kotaku, it's expected
call what they really are degenerate s
@Steven9567 looks like Mytube didn't like that you calling them degenerates. They're cowards that's what they are
They're trying to deflect blame through manipulation. By acting as if they're "fans" of Pikamee, it'll somehow convince people that the rest of her actual fanbase are ones that caused this.
Wish there was a way to expose these freaks publicly with evidence that their claims are mere lies in an attempt of manipulation and gaslighting
Tell 4Chan to give no quarter, that should brighten their day. - Lord Cutler Beckett (paraphrased)
4chan would save humanity
@@DeathMarkBR Not the Hero we deserve, but the Hero we need, a Dark Autist.
Well theres a wonderful page known as the wayback machine which is an ancient internet archive made to keep records of deleted pages and stuff, and what do you know the way back machine also saves Twitter on the daily so if a tweet gets deleted is most likely to have been archived there.
So this page is the sole reason of "the internet never forgets"
Edit: before someone says, yes is of public access and you cant edit stuff already archived, so the source is legit.
just be careful. the way back machine has succumbed to the trans activist crowd before, deleting kiwifarms from their archives
not gonna make a value statement on whether kiwifarms is good or not, but playing at being a historical archive means when they do it, they're literally erasing history
Well most people dont know about it and it should be only used with discretion as you said it is a public archive, so there nothing stopping them to go book burning.
Key word discretion. If they dont know it would seems they didnt delete it in time
Those who *bullies* and *harass* people in the name of "good" or "justice" are the worst EVIL MONSTERS.
"She was gonna leave soon anyway, so the harassment wasn't that big a deal"
Just wow
That's like saying, "My grandma's gonna pass soon anyway, so scamming her off the last bit of her money wasn't that big a deal."
It's absolutely illogical and absurd
They call harassment criticism and backlash as "phobias". Journalism died a long time ago and only a few embers remain.
Realistically, it doesn't matter whether or not Pikamee's departure from streaming was set months ago or moments ago. The fact remains that the stinkditch hate group that bullied her and her fandom over a videogame will see this as a win and become emboldened to act is the same shitty way the next time they believe themselves slighted by someone. Respect to Pikamee's choice to leave, any damage control VOMS does now isn't going to do anything to the outrage mob.
>A group organizes to harass someone
>Person leaves their niche audience
>WTF she left
>Her fans being angry that she left will make them hate us
>How DARE she leave, when it hurts us, the group who made her leave
>This will just reinforce *whatever*phobia
>She should have stayed so she could be our punching bag so people wouldn't hate us
The **blank** cries out in pain as he strikes at you.
so true
It's just more deflection, damage control & gaslighting by twitter ghouls.There is a sea of screenshots of the bullies who harrased her.
I saw so many necromorphs celebrating on twitter that Pika will be gone. I can't...
Imagine believing that the ACTUALLY wholesome and kind kettle is an evil bully by just *considering* playing a video game.
Something that needs to be mentioned is that VOMS have no reason to acknowledge that Pikamee is leaving due to harassment, because admitting that is like saying that they are too weak to protect their talents from it, it's just terrible for their business.
it would just add fuel to a fire, and potentially cause their other idols to receive the harrassment pikamee was getting, Obviously they are going to deny it had anything to do with the graduation.
can’t blame VOMs on this, this 100% trans people fault.
Yea and jp legislation is far ahead of US legislation when it's online bullying.
Honestly if there's one thing Musk should do is make it easy to pull records of these people so we can properly sue them
The main lesson I've learned from this debacle is to always dismiss statements made "on behalf of X community", especially if made by people with no real position of leadership within said community.
The major problem is: What does the CEO mean with "We planned Pikamees graduation a long ago". Of course the company will talk about Pikamees graduation with her even before she ever wanted to graduate, because a company needs to plan how to do that graduation in a positive manner, as MARUI says correctly. A graduation unlike the firing of Rushia is meant as a nice sendoff like with Coco. And it takes time to plan that. So I'll bet that the major companies have made plans and also merch for that occasion already for many of their talents. Because the decision of a VTuber to end it can come swiftly. And you dare have preparated at that moment.
That's why for me the statement of Gyari just reads as. "We talked with Pikamee about how she would like to have her graduation", whenever this may occur. And then when in February she had enough because of this hate mobs (and don't forget, there are sources saying that she received death threats via DMs and mail, which we cannot see, we only see the open tweets!), and unfornatunally VOMS is not such a big company as Cover that could threaten any harasser with lawsuits to stop the bullying (a reason why nobody goes after Pekora, they know that Cover would sue them into seppuku)
Cover didn't manage to save Coco though.
@@GeraltofRivia22 to be fair, China wasn’t gonna punished their citizens from a company of a foreign nation that they hate
@@GeraltofRivia22 Coco CHOSE to stop. She said herself she wanted to stop being Coco, do not take that away from her. A company cannot stop a talent from handing in her resignation letter, bro. She's still around as Kson anyway.
Cover's retaliation as a company is by CLOSING THEIR CHINA BRANCH. And never run any events, any programs in China, not even taking any sponsors from China-based games, ever again.
They are investing a lot of money there, made a lot of deals just to set up a branch there, even already have a number of VTubers running under their brand. And they burnt it all, for Haachama and Coco. That is an absolutely huge decision they make- any other company will comply to the demand and cut off anything that hurt their China audience- Cover chose to leave the China market forever.
And you said it like Coco is the only one hurt by that incident. Haachama was hit too, and she is still working for the company.
@@GeraltofRivia22cause her harrasers were a shit ton of chinese spam accounts mad to hate you just cant sue everybody the ones that doxx or send death treats can be dealt with but the bots cant
Theres a tweet literally showing a member only post from pikamee herself before her break saying reacting to some hate saying thats she shouldnt do anything she loves or wants that shes deppressed, sad and wants to give everything up and leave then saying shes gonna delete the post later cause she dosent wanna make ppl sad.
You know damn well if this was someone the journos cared about, say Anita Sarkeesian, and the harassers were an acceptable target like gamers they would've put "harassment" in the titles. Because the harassment group is a sacred cow that can't be criticized, they don't.
Vtuber graduations under non-disciplinary circumstances are always meant to be the streamer leaving in a positive way since the circumstances behind them are not negative in the sense that the streamer was forced out. This is the case with Pikamee and I really despise how the article seems to be implying that it was framed this way unnaturally. She and VOMS want it to be positive because it was her choice and because she had been such a huge part of VOMS, they wanted to send her off in the way she deserves. That's really all there is to the "positivity" aspect of the graduation and the fans are in agreement. I was in the chat of her free talk this morning (morning for me) and it was 100% positive like the fan base was all in on some agreement not to bring down the mood, like we were working together with Pikamee herself to make it a great stream, which it was. The only Vtubers who go out in a negative way are those who do things bad enough to warrant a negative graduation or termination. Even Sana and Coco, whose reasons were not necessarily positive, went out in a positive way.
Funny how Kotaku left out those videos that show evidence against the side they have quite obviously taken, perhaps they are only saying they watched, a common Twitter tactic to try and strengthen an argument. Also, no, to my knowledge she has never even brought up trans people as a topic in any stream or prerecorded content. She just wanted to play the game, and lacking the messed up sense of right and wrong present in the hate mob, saw no issue streaming or playing. She just wanted us to be there to enjoy it with her, but apparently it was too big an ask to be allowed to do that in peace.
It's actually not hard to get a sense of the opposition when people said her canceling it was her learning and becoming better, absolutely untrue since fear is not a good teacher, it only serves to invoke a reaction at the moment that will not necessarily be adhered to after the moment has passed. At this point it is obvious whose side Kotaku is on, the hate mob's. As usual for their 'journalistic integrity,' or should I say lack thereof, shown time and time again. Also, some of those videos they seem to be ignoring the existence of do show the harassment as best as can be shown on this site without breaking any rules. There are VERY few "militant" fans in her fan base, I saw maybe three in her graduation announcement, a point where tensions and negative emotions directed at the hate mob would most definitely be higher. I literally talked them down from it to at least considering holding off until she is gone so she doesn't have to witness it, though I am no professional negotiator and I have my doubts about how effective I was. Then you once again take her next actual stream from this morning into account, ZERO fans like that, at least none in chat. It was all positive and directed at giving her the best time we could.
Yeah, Kotaku actually got something right for once, she IS becoming a martyr, not that she wants to be. This is the consequence of dogpiling an innocent streamer with a large following for playing a video game. Even if Silvervale specifically tells fans not to, don't be surprised when that fan base sees her as one as well. Things have gone beyond boiling, this has already reached a point where the antagonized may not be so inclined to just ignore the antagonists. If Kotaku really cared, they don't and are using trans people as fuel to stoke the flames pretty blatantly here, they would put their money where their mouth is and actually do things to help trans people.
As far as her graduation, the statement DOES NOT free the guilty from their guilt, what they did was wrong even if she had set out to graduation on the very first day of the year or even some time last year. It does not matter when this was set in motion. The guilt still stands in full for the actions taken regardless of the things that happened after.
As far as the damage control aspect, I am slightly inclined to believe it was indeed damage control over a sudden decision because of previous official word, but I am mostly inclined to believe it is not. Also, this was Gyari we're talking about, he's not the rep of the company in the sense that his only job is to make statements, he is literally the head of the entire operation. VOMS also isn't really a company in the sense of Hololive, more like Vshojo, a group of Vtubers who do their own thing with another person or group of people providing support in some things.
As for the one who said the thing about believing Pikamee herself, she literally hasn't said how long this has been in motion, the ONLY word she herself gave was the announcement. We can only believe what we are given, if only one thing has been said on an aspect, then that is all we can believe. While there is a discrepancy between the clip and the text in how sudden this is, that is the only part where we have multiple points in opposition. Anything Pikamee has said so far is still in line with the rest.
Kson never directed any comment at the Pikamee fan base. Her comments were completely generalized, not aiming at anyone. She was correct, 100%, in what she said. Vtubing is not about skin, not about language, not about culture in the sense of appropriation. It is about having fun with hundreds or thousands while behind an animated face, sometimes for protection, sometimes for not wanting to show their real appearance, sometimes just because of the aesthetic of the anime character on the screen.
people just say LOL CORPO without even really understanding what these people actually do
@@decksteroussnail Yep
Damn i do love some professional journalism covering kind and fair activities provoked by healthy communities with safe spaces.
That’s some napalm grade sarcasm there.
Hell hath no fury like a 4chaner and a Kiwi Farmer scorned. They are on a warpath. I for one, approve.
The Cesspit of the Internet is more wholesome than the Trans community and their media allies.
@@grimnir8872 Agreed, may they bring hell down upon them all.
The term "ally" feels like it's just another arbitrarily chosen word that any community can apply so that the most entitled of their members can justify taking something away from other people. You're an ally of x, therefore you cannot (verb) y. It's such a damn stupid title to live by.
It's an excuse for the Trans Community to try and shed itself of any blame, they all encouraged this, none of them spoke out against the hatred they generated.
@@grimnir8872 damn right. Oh there are a few around saying “but muh not all rainbows” and trying to convince people that this wasn’t the majority of their kind when it absolutely was. They’re just trying to cover their own asses because they see the tidal wave of destruction that’s building up and about to be unleashed their way. And frankly it’s overdue!
It’s just another word for “slave”.
Honestly, what's the difference? They're both equally guilty.
I was wondering what type of damage control it was. And this is damage control for the asshats that bullied her into graduation seeming way so this is monumentally frustrating just because it is biased reporting.
"Hey guys, pls calm down, pika wouldn't want this."
literally not say something like that but instead downplay the bullying and insult us fans.
How can i not look at this as an invitation to punch whoever wrote this?
They are unaware of how capable VT community at cyber bullying, they basically poked wrong people's nerves. And to me this is still mild backlash they get, since they haven't touch a certain country's VT community yet. Once they get there too, it will be psychiatrists fortune. So either their mental health becomes exhausted, or changing their pronouns to was/were.
There's poking the bear, then there's mocking the Death Star, these Bullies have committed the later. All it takes is the time for that metaphorical super laser to charge.
"changing their pronouns to was/were"
Lmao, that's a good one.
Popular meme as a response to this controversy has turned into "turning that 41% to 100%" and a bunch of genuinely horrible memes. I'm honestly shocked that I haven't seen the catchphrase or these memes appear on twitter as often as I have expected judging from the fact that rumors regarding 4chaners getting involved soon.
@@GrammarPaladin oh shit they actually fucked o.o they broke into the Rancors nest wow they fucked hella up lol go get em 4chan i geuss we can sit back and just watch at this point 4 chan deff has it lmao those motherfuckers are true degenerates
they just turned a bunch of weeb holding dakimakura into a chapter of Space Marine holding Bolter and Chainsword.
Hearing about all the angry Twitter users that target vtubers really makes me wish I had watched Pikamee in the past. Twitter has the opposite effect on people lol
At this point i don't care why she's graduating, the fact is it's happening and it's better to be positive even if that's hard to make her last month streaming memorable.
yes of course but i hope they don't mess anything else up like they care about us but in fact they always attack us
The Pikamee fans are out for blood and with good reason. I don't think anyone's letting this slide.
I ain't let nothing slide, but this here just ain't my expertise. So, Imma let the more tech savvy people deal with the these yellowbelly, scum sucking, pieces of rat shit harassers. 'Sides, I heard rumors that a certain community is well underway on making these cowards pay, so we ain't gotta long.
Thing is the extremist trans and allies started the war, and the innocent trans people who didn't give a damn about HL and Vtubers in general will suffer the consequences.
Kind of like the Nazis and the rest of Germany. The Nazis started their war, and Germany still has that stigma around them to this day.
The men playing pretend are not the victims
How many times do we have to go over this before you subhumans get it
@@megaman37456 reminds me about the war with russia and ukraine, and how for a while people were thinking all Russians were in support of it, when in reality most of them were against it. its just SO much easier for the common person to fall back on generalizations rather than be specific. its just how the world is
the movement is undermined the west its extremist by default
@@megaman37456 actually it was t he allies that started the war the n sendeed many peace offerings
my theory would be that pikamee was in descutions with the company about graduating for a long time HOWEVER nothing had actually been decided until now with the harassment being the final push
Same, I think Pikamee was always thinking about it, but every time she streamed the community convinced her to go just a little more.
*Discussions
@@UltimateThanos its a youtube comment not a college theses
go touch grass
Man i told myself im gonna be strong but this shi got me shedding tears 😭 why they do that to the most wholesome sweetest vtuber?????! Like bro breathe touch grass
*eHug* Kindness Kettle does not want us to be sad, fren. We're all here with you.
@@calanon534 we must overcome everything together with all of frens :)
We have one more month, we have to be strong, for her, once she leaved we can cry again.
@@saber_xyt We can do anything, with frens at our side.
Frankly, it doesn't matter if Pikamee planned her graduation or not. Those Twitter harassers are still responsible for their own actions.
I remember a time when Kotaku was championing and defending women…nice to see they just trawl the wake of controversy.
The easiest way is just to take accountability to the fact that yes there were people harassing, and apologize to Pikamee for the harassment. But when they try to spin the narrative like that, it'll just provide more fuel to the hate that they wish to avoid. Can't even stress enough that the V-Tubing community got dragged into this mess unwillingly.
Thank you, Hei. I hadn't actually caught their response to me before this. The person pointing out her having a break JUST before that doesn't realize they kinda proved my point. Why would she go on a break, come back, not do ANYTHING, then go on another break before quitting if it didn't have to do with the bullying???
DHark bro youre thinking with logic something they fully lack entirely
@@Mstrskeletor89 Ok that's fair.
As a fan of hers since she began it’s sad but it’s also nice seeing the overwhelming love she’s getting from old and new fans. Plus I’ve noticed quite a number of people including myself are working to preserve her content for when her channel gets privated.
Channels* remember she has two!
I hate them even more now, and Ill actively go against everything they stand for & do out of spite.
They took my Oshi away from me, they deserve no support whatsoever
Remember kids, they're accusing you of being hateful even though you're only reacting to them being hateful, and they're not gonna stop. Maybe give them a reason.
My thoughts about the Kotaku article
*Ahem*
"Why the f you lying? Why you always lying? Oh my god, stop f-ing lying!"
Expecting Kotaku to make sense is like expecting for the heat death of the universe to come around. It may happen eventually, but chances are humanity will be long gone before that.
(Edited for grammar)
Troons can make up all the excuses;
We have the evidence.
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🐍 no step on Snek! 🇺🇸🇭🇰
Shylily talked about this on stream and stated she'd been talking with Pikamee over text, and when Lily was asked why Pika was leaving, Lily did say that it was over the harassment and I believe her way more than I do corpos
Edit: I should note that from the sounds of things, it sounds like she was planning on graduating soonish but it does seem it was very much pushed up due to this so, though it was likely going to happen eventually, all the hate did definitely extend her break and very likely pushed up her retirement.
For Decades we have been told "It's not just a few bad apples All of a group is to blame" in literally everything, well now these people cannot escape it, the Trans and LGBT community did nothing to stop the harassment and they STILL defend those who did it by trying to deflect blame.
Well, I'm not trans or even very progressive myself, but you actually CAN see many self-identified trans people condemning the actions of the people who harassed her. That being said, the bullies that did the harassing deserve everything bad that's coming their way.
This is the most important thing to me. The community still refuses to actually take a proper stand against this kind of madness. Individuals doing so is great, and I want to wish them the best and thank them for standing up to others online. But it's just not enough, not when the harassment and vitriol still continues. I don't see how anyone can support an ideology that just stays silent whilst one of the best people on the internet is forced off of it by "activist" attack dogs.
@@SaveMeXenu BUT! Lots of them also downplay the harassment just because Pikamee was already wanting to graduate which is fucking stupid and deserve all the hate they got.
@@SaveMeXenu Based on ACAB ideology they arent doing enough and are therefore complicit.
Simple because deep down they condone it. They support it as the left says...silence is consent whenever some lolcow right wing tuber decides to miss their medication.
It's often be told, police your own or someone will police them for you.
At this point I stopped caring, now I feel it's a duty to make sure CRT and LGBTQ+ propaganda is not being taught to the next generation as part of conditioning.
These people just don't know how to stop making everyone hate them.
This will be their inevitable downfall.
"The blue bird cries out as xhe strikes you."
Dropped by her stream yesterday before bed. I was worried, and she seemed happy, and her fans were very supportive.
She has a bunch of good people that care about her a lot.
And yes, these groups will get a massive ton of backlash. You know why. You can't claim the high ground when you do exactly the same thing as the people persecuting you. Gandhi and all the other great peacemakers knew this, and that's why they were great people.
These people are just trash. And it saddens me to think that they are single-handedly poisoning all the good people in their own communities..
This has been happening for awhile, but now that they've done it to a large enough group, they can't hide it anymore- I've known since 2012 that something like this was bound to happen- the 'Community' that has been to protect good people and those trying to be recognized as human beings and those trying to live their life were doing stuff like this, and nobody was acknowledging it. Maybe I was sheltered from the worst of bigotry, because I did not see it where I lived- I saw people living their lives as best they could, no prejudice around them, but when I actually connected with people online, who did I see attacking them? Not bigots, but the people from the 'Community' they should've gotten support from.
A close friend of mine was interested in a girl and she asked me for advise on it (I am not LGBT, but I have friends and a girlfriend who is), because she was scared of going to the community because they claimed being Bi wasn't 'good' enough. I knew right then and there that this so called 'Community' wasn't protecting its people, it was harming them, and its why I do not consider myself an Ally- LGBT people as individuals, I care about. I have friends, I have a brother who is transitioning, I have people I love and adore who are LGBT, and I would gladly take a bullet for every last one of them.
The Community? F*ck. No. It is a cesspit that has turned its back on the very people it vowed to protect and completely betrayed its founding principles, and this time? They can't rug sweep it. They REALLY kicked over a hornet's nest this time. It deserves scorn. They don't even realize the damage they have done- this was a WORST possible case scenario, because people are going to look at this situation, and whenever they see an actual existing LGBT problem or grievance, those that WOULD be supportive will turn their back, out of disgust or shame, those that WOULDN'T be supportive will point towards this and use it as justification. This has done more damage to those innocent people that DO suffer without support than anything they could've done.
All of this is very tiring. Thanks for covering this man. I don't know how people can stand watching these ridiculous situations and present it in a way that not only entertains, but also informative.
Ugh, this whole situation SUCKS so bad. The people who harassed Pikamee/Silverale/whomever else are just…despicable. Truly and utterly despicable. I honestly wish the best for Pikamee and her family. She deserves a happy life.
It sounds like damage control to me. I remember Pikamee saying in one of her streams that she still wanted to stream for a long time.
Theres a tweet literally showing a member only post from pikamee herself before her break saying reacting to some hate saying thats she shouldnt do anything she loves or wants that shes deppressed, sad and wants to give everything up and leave then saying shes gonna delete the post later cause she dosent wanna make ppl sad . In the same post she says she got death treats so yea if she was planing to graduate or making plans to harrasment was still the mos likely reason.
I think she was planning to graduate but the HWL stuff made it a much more unpleasant and rushed experience.
Also, VOMs isn’t a corporate or a company of Vtubers. It’s a management group for contracting independent vtubers.
Honestly, I'm not really sure what to think of GYARI's statement and the information that she was planning to graduate a long time ago already.
She mentioned multiple times during her streams - some of them not very long ago - that she loves vtubing and considers it the best job, as well as the best time of her life.
And now all of a sudden she wants to quit from that? Over a span of 2 months she changed her opinion? It kind of doesn't add up...
Of course, I have no evidence, and I'm probably wrong about this, but I just can't shake this feeling that GYARI's statement might just be an attempt at defusing the situation.
@@ThinBear4 I sympathize with your viewpoint. Moreover, I don't get why they wish to remove all of Pikamee's content. What's the point in removing access to previous VODs?
@@Joefrenomics that one is actually company policy, I believe. They did the same thing when Monoe was fired. I assume this is because once vtuber's contract is terminated, neither side - neither the vtuber nor the agency - can keep collecting profits from the content, hence it's privated. This is also why they immediately cease selling the associated merch, I think.
But all of this is just me guessing.
@@ThinBear4 it varies org to org, but likely with how independent VOMS is, your guess is probably accurate here.
When I thought I couldn't lose any more respect for Kotaku, they proved otherwise. Makes you wonder how the hell they're still operating.
They did the same to Slivervale too, claiming there is no harassment at all, but turns out they not only harassed Slivervale, they even doxing her friends and sending death threats
One of their ears with a sharp razor, so in 20 years when they forgot about this, people will ask them what happened.
Im a kiryu coco fan and this opened up an old wound and an old psychosis.
Tell you honestly I just want our little kettle to have her graduation in peace. She does not deserve all this hate.
People like you are the brightest example of fair.
I am glad that creators like you exist, who try to bring a neutral but clearly TRUE perspective on everything.
Twitter, bullying and misinformation will always be prevalent, but I thank you a lot for the work you do on trying to minimize the impact both misinformation and hate mobbing has.
You are a shining light in between all the dark and trashy alleys the internet has to offer.
The more they cry wolf the more what they want to avoid WILL happen. people lose sympathy when you point fingers at anyone who deviates even slightly from what they want people to think.
Makes my blood boil that they downplayed the Pikamee situation...
I don't remember where this quote came from, but it is very true when it comes to twitter as a whole.
"Don't try to argue with an idiot. It's an argument you can never win."
I'm holding off on hostilities until she's officially graduated so as to not escalate things during this last month of Pikamee, even though they'll probably try to raid her remaining streams anyways. But come April, my friends and I are gonna make these degenerates who took her from us afraid to check their DMs. I know some will disagree, but they're not gonna stop until we make them stop and no amount of debate nor reasoning will bring us anywhere near a peaceful resolution. They don't just want enemies, they NEED a villain in order to sustain their victim complex. Being passive will only lead to more drama, more communities being ideologically poisoned, more lives being ruined.
To be clear, it's not about revenge. (well, partially it is) It's more about drawing a line in the sand and that will require more than a few of us getting our hands dirty and using their own strategies against them. If they're gonna use their victimhood as an excuse to hurt people no matter what we do, then we might as well give them what they want. Even if it means rubbing elbows with /pol/tards and radfems alike, it's time to set aside our differences to bully these scumbags back into the closet. If this sounds distasteful to anyone, just remember; they're going to be miserable whether or not they have an actual reason to be, so it makes no difference. If anything, it's an opportunity to bring people on both extremes to come closer to the center. So much good can be extracted from this mess, but only if we seize it now.
you can still wage war don't wait otherwise everyone will move on
I hate going on twitter, but I'm gonna actively ridicule the people that went after her at every turn. Gonna make sure they have piss in their cereal every morning
If only I knew the ways of internet warfare, I'd join you. But for me, and the rest of us, give em hell
Raiding her? Try it, let us track them down just from their UA-cam account, to their personal live. Just try it, I dare they raid her, let's see them change their pronouns to was/were
This is not me talking, but my irrational hatred for everything that came to pass in this incident. I salute you and wish godspeed in your crusade.
Honestly, even if she was planning to graduate before, the harassment almost certainly pushed that timetable up.
The problem is ideological activists such as the one at Kotaku
never will allow that option your ether an ally or an enemy too these people standing on the sidelines is not allowed and the ones who do get grouped with the "enemies"
Well then shit call me Obi-Wan.
you cannot doxx, harass, and attack people for wanting to play a f'ing video game and then gaslight people about your abusive behavior
I genuinely, truly believe these monsters will never stop until they start experiencing physical pain.
"Militant Pikamee fans"
The author of the Kotaku article is projecting so hard.
This has the same vibe as "It wasn't me, it was my twin brother" excuse
They've done this so much they think their lies will be taken at face value. Honestly screw that community they've brought the hate on themselves.
Pikamee is going to have an amazing month!
As for the drama; The more i think about the word 'allies', it seems to imply theres some type of fight to be on one side or the other of? That should kinda alert anyone that hears someone say they are one, cause that might mean that they may think its only a black and white issue in how it all works, which is DEFINITELY not how it works, as they should know.
There is so much bs, its infuriating. What she received isn't harassment its "criticism" because it comes from "their side". Meanwhile we're the "militant fans". While they were acting like savage cultists
Abusers always shift the blame and gaslight. Enough said.
Ah yes. Kotaku. A totally nonbias website. None of the journalists on Kotaku have had lobotomies or an IQ that's equal to the room temperature of Alaska. No. No, no. That's not true at all
I wish the Twitter Freaks a VERY unpleasant evening.
I wish the Twitter Freaks a very slow, painful game over.
of course they have to deny that it happened. they're starting to lose their get-out-of-trouble-free card.