To those criticising the hosts - they're just reflecting the questions the vast majority of the audience would have - they aren't there to please SW fans, they're trying to make him accessible to ordinary people. And they actually get some pretty good answers out of him (e.g. the comparison with cutting favourite scenes from a movie).
No, no, and absolutely no. The hosts were not prepared and asked insanely stupid questions, such as "there are no words?" That shows they couldn't be bothered to watch two short music videos before having him as a guest. That is a level of non-preparation beyond anything excusable.
RIGHT!?!?!?!?! "There are no words" No shit Sherlock. I love how Steven even says something about it like "Yeah there's words, but for some fucking reason you chose the part that didn't have words" Like ????
@@Deadlikenny The mainstream moguls like the BBC et.al don't want the likes of SW having success people like him could'nt be manipulated and used by the likes of Cowell and his ilk.So it's not surprising they messed up the playing of the clips,it was as if they were delibrately trying to ridicule his music,and remember mainstream music and tv are all bedfellows,they pander to the lowest common denominator.
I've been a fan of Steven Wilson since Stupid Dream. It's surreal (in a great way) to see him getting exposure outside the rarefied world of prog. So well deserved.
Rarified world of prog? what the heck, I've known average rock fans who listen to Porcupine Tree, they are not that unkown, but unknown for sure for a morning show audience.
How on earth could they do that? "Let's see how stupid we can appear!" was the attitude? Amazing. Steven's on top form though. He says so much with just a few words.
Steven is so articulate here, its a pleasure listening to him. He totally deserves every ounce of attention he is getting. It's long overdue I'd say :0
The best part about Steven being discovered by the world is that he did it without selling out an ounce of his spirit. This album is as solid (if not more) as any random piece in his career. Thanks for uploading this.
Great to see Steven getting some exposure on the BBC. Funny to see both sides somewhat struggling with the setup though because neither know really what to expect. Two different culture colliding. Great interview.
The singing is so powerful, evocative and essential to the meaning of the song! If you're going to ask what the song is about why leave out the lyrical part? Very strange!
It's actually a very deep statement; as in it doesn't literally just mean "you're stupid for dreaming about wanting to swim in stacks of money by selling music", but rather it questions what music really is. In the sense that music is the journey which one creates it; whether others listen to it, like it or not doesn't matter but yet it matters, though the most important thing is the quality and mastery in the music's respective context. And the topic about money and fame where most people look at them as final goals or life goals without understanding that at the end of the day, money and fame are merely tools to pursue your mastery in music itself. And in Steven Wilson's case, getting more popular or viral meant that this gave him a higher volume of audience + money, which ultimately funnels and fuels his journey to make more music that's to come. Lastly, he could be saying that it's a futile and pointless dream to make music because who knows if you can sell it, but he still does it regardless. It's sort of that moment where you go "fine if I die and didn't manage to win, but I'm still going to do it and die trying" sort of attitude. Obviously in this case, he needs to be able to sell it to a certain extent because if not, he wouldn't be able to dedicate most of his life to music. He could probably still do it like sidelining music whilst having a day job, but what's the point really if you truly look at it? So all in all, that statement is a big paradox about music, money and fame's relationship itself and also a confession about how stupid everything is, but you still would want to do it. Maybe I'm overthinking it but that's how I look at it.
Steven Wilson is one of the hardest workers not just in prog rock but in music itself and deserves every bit of the success he's acheived, he's more than earned it and it's really good to see him making TV appearances on the BBC. I went to see him four years ago and it was one of the best shows i have been to, if you haven't been to see SW, i highly recommend it. You won't be disappointed.
No words in the second song? That proves even the hosts don't know his music. I like it BTW that the fans are real fans who understand and absorb the music. Quality fans for quality music
The 1 man on the planet that really should be a billionaire! Thanks for all the wonderful music you've made Steven Wilson... I have enjoyed it immensely "CHEERS"
Steve Wilson makes good music, and he is one step ahead of the game. Furthermore, the thing I respect about him is that he does what he wants, and he ain't never sold out.
Steven is amazing, i mean, he's music preception is incredible. Im lucky enough to like he's prog phase and he's now pop phase. Eventhough speaks about an concepctual album, with lyrics. But i hear the rythm, feeling of the music, im in love. With this new album, it happen the same thing with insurgentes, which was an incredible album, along with the raven that refused to sing. Although, the song that touched to my core, was i drive the hearse (by porcupine tree), with lyrics, the albums he's made, have been amazig!!!!!
SW says it takes him a “long time” 2 years between most of his solo albums, and he does more in 2 years than most bands can do in 4-5. Constantly evolving. The 3.5 years between to the bone and the future bites have yielded his best work yet. The album itself is only 9 tracks, but if you dig around here on UA-cam you can find the bonus and B side tracks for a whopping 24 tracks! And that’s not even including the demos and instrumentals!
What a beautiful person, actually I always love to hear him speaking. I'd like him to make videos speaking and sharing himself more than musically, like Devin Townsend does, because the interviewers he speak for are never prepared to make him the right questions
Beautiful duet work with Ninet... but they cut all of it out for a minor instrumental break. It's like the producers of the show didn't even listen to the song, they just queued it up at a random time without any preparation. I wish I could put such little effort into my job and keep it.
Sometime I think to myself how the hell did some of the people who get there get there, "So, there are no words?". I was like wat wat wat. You're interviewing someone, and the clip is that you've chosen, you haven't even seen it. -_- The many likes to this post are solely because of Steven. Insightful by him.
If I'd never heard of Steven Wilson before then it was the second clip that would have made me sit up and take notice as it is a beautiful piece of instrumental music - the first clip is in no way indicative of what he is about - the man is a genius
I met SW in Liverpool after a show in about 1995 with PT.. Absolutely delighted to see this and the progression he's made with his solo career.. Shame on the BBC for this, shambolic journalism..
I feel a bit strange admitting this but it’s August 2020 and I’ve just become aware of PT and Steven Wilson. I have no idea what took so long. Better late than never. 🕉
The director who chose not to feature the lyrics and the outstanding vocal of Ninet during the Pariah clip should be sacked. Poor Steven -- talent finally rises to the BBC sofa after 30 years only to be shown whose really in charge. Hope the guy /girl wasn't on the that BBC rich list. As a massive fan of this man and a licence payer this really grates. Dear Public, Go listen to Pariah as it should be heard. Oh try out Routine from the last album as well - the most accessible song on the brilliant Hand : Cannot : Erase.....pure classy modern british creative rock (lets please lose this prog label)
Don't bother too much Robert-it's the theme that's runs through every aspect of every facet of the Beebs limited perspective on...everything... Postmodern Piss you could say if your being Shakespearian Peace buddy!
I do believe that Alex Hutchins is his guitarist for 2018. Someone else who the good old Popstars listening public have never heard of and don't deserve either.
He looks so good for a 49 year old. The Johnny Depp of prog in some ways. Ive heard somewhere that he eats alot of dark chocolate. Plenty of antioxidants in that.
“So there are no words...” possibly the funniest thing the BBC have ever done (note to presenter: they are called lyrics). And showing ‘permanating’ a wonderful track but hardly the most representative piece they could have chosen. I can imagine a whole bunch of Bollywood fans going out to buy Raven or watching Routine and thinking “what the hell?” The presenters were totally clueless.
Segment producers could have done.....a little research before hand.....but I appreciate BBC giving him a platform. I know their morning segment still has a lot of eyes on it. Although, its a dying medium at this point lol. How Ironic they give him a shot now...lmao
Stumbled across this today. I've been an occasional Porcupine Tree listener over the last 20 years and long thought that essentially Steve reminds me of what Kurt Cobain would have been like had he done a Syd Barrett/Dave Gilmour and fronted a new jagged edged art pop act starting around 1996 or so. He gives the impression that there's way more cogs turning beneath the surface and we will never get to see them all.
Isn't he wonderful? I'm a recent convert (and can't believe I haven't listened to his work in the last 30-odd years). Shame they couldn't have played the vocal part of Pariah...
The researcher was probably an infant when PT were playing Fear of a Blank Planet so got brought up on a diet of BieberLite. Whoa! Shoes! He's changed...see what success does for you....footwear.
Dammit as much as I am happy for him to get some exposure and stuff..these interviewers or morning show hosts really did no preparation beforehand..I mean seriously..I am certain they know the latest pants *insert random famous star* wore..but really..do your jobs more professionally..and I have to agree with what a horrible choice of song snippet they chose..It makes so much sense in the song and it's a beautiful piece..but it's like cutting Wish you were here's intro or just playing the solo part..But again..if swimming through a sea of unprepared hosts and shallow tv shows is gonna give Steven a more wide exposure..That's a sacrifice he'll have to take...and we as his fans to endure through and wish for more full live performances to satisfy our individual urges.
an observation......3 videos, 3 different place (Germany, HMV, London and he has always the same T-Shirt), come on Steve ! t-shirt manufacturers needs also to live !
To those criticising the hosts - they're just reflecting the questions the vast majority of the audience would have - they aren't there to please SW fans, they're trying to make him accessible to ordinary people. And they actually get some pretty good answers out of him (e.g. the comparison with cutting favourite scenes from a movie).
Yes and no Paul. They were obviously not well prepared, and did ask some very inane questions.
Whatever. The hosts are idiots, and I'm damn sure that lady is not polite. How stupid she sounds
Where he (the host) seemed quite interested in his guest, she was rather impolite and hostile...i had that feeling at least.
finally someone who gets journalism
No, no, and absolutely no. The hosts were not prepared and asked insanely stupid questions, such as "there are no words?" That shows they couldn't be bothered to watch two short music videos before having him as a guest. That is a level of non-preparation beyond anything excusable.
Who else thought the whole second clip "so there are no words" part was friggin hilarious!
You can tell that interviewer who said that clocks in and clocks out everyday with zero prep.
I wouldnt be too hard on her. Its just seems like such a typical "normal reacts to prog rock" comment.
Soo much annoying
Cringeworthy
Yeah that was stupid as hell, WOW OMG THERE ARE A FEW INSTRUMENTAL BARS :0000. Idiots, lmao.
Host: So, what is prog rock?
Steven: I have no idea
[internally: wait! these people are nowhere near ready for this!]
Uh actually, it's like this...
dude you killed it! I lol-d :D
Exactly what happened. This is the tradeoff for making "in the charts."
I'm not sure Steven knows what Prog Rock means!
Fucking right though XD
@@cuneytguren He obviously knows.. it's just that they probably wouldn't understand shit if he starts explaining xD
I'm so happy that Steven is getting the recognition he deserves.
And I don't believe it will change him. I think he's much too intelligent to fall for all that crap.
He's a genius and seems like a nice guy too
Well, you Get All You Deserve
Wait wait wait wait!
Steven wears SHOES?!
I couldn't take my eyes off of 'em!
Maybe for the tv, then took them off
Ikr?? Looks so damn weird. He lost himself
Even with socks!!! 🧦
'So there are no words?' These two could at least have done SW the courtesy of listening to the tracks they were going to play.
RIGHT!?!?!?!?!
"There are no words" No shit Sherlock. I love how Steven even says something about it like "Yeah there's words, but for some fucking reason you chose the part that didn't have words" Like ????
@@Deadlikenny The mainstream moguls like the BBC et.al don't want the likes of SW having success people like him could'nt be manipulated and used by the likes of Cowell and his ilk.So it's not surprising they messed up the playing of the clips,it was as if they were delibrately trying to ridicule his music,and remember mainstream music and tv are all bedfellows,they pander to the lowest common denominator.
I've been a fan of Steven Wilson since Stupid Dream. It's surreal (in a great way) to see him getting exposure outside the rarefied world of prog. So well deserved.
Rarified world of prog? what the heck, I've known average rock fans who listen to Porcupine Tree, they are not that unkown, but unknown for sure for a morning show audience.
Oh well done BBC for making a balls of the second clip!!
How on earth could they do that? "Let's see how stupid we can appear!" was the attitude? Amazing. Steven's on top form though. He says so much with just a few words.
Haha. From whole song available they selected instrumental fragment. Well done crap BBC breakfast producers!
Shambolic!
As always, Steven handles questions really well from people that know sod all about the wider world of music.
Steven is so articulate here, its a pleasure listening to him. He totally deserves every ounce of attention he is getting. It's long overdue I'd say :0
The best part about Steven being discovered by the world is that he did it without selling out an ounce of his spirit. This album is as solid (if not more) as any random piece in his career. Thanks for uploading this.
How would you know?
Great to see Steven getting some exposure on the BBC. Funny to see both sides somewhat struggling with the setup though because neither know really what to expect. Two different culture colliding. Great interview.
What a weird second clip they chose. You could tell Steven was annoyed.
Although, it's as if they chose the snippet least likely to draw people's attention... which in a perverse way would make him happy!
Yeah, they didn't even at least include Ninet's line leading into that part
Clueless interviewers.
The singing is so powerful, evocative and essential to the meaning of the song! If you're going to ask what the song is about why leave out the lyrical part? Very strange!
amateur hour by those interviewers.
Nice! It's almost surreal reading this in 2017:
"What could be a more stupid dream than wanting to make music and sell it." - Steven Wilson, 1999
Well, he's not talking about wanting to people to buy his stuff,he wants people to listen to it, or at least that's what I get
It's actually a very deep statement; as in it doesn't literally just mean "you're stupid for dreaming about wanting to swim in stacks of money by selling music", but rather it questions what music really is. In the sense that music is the journey which one creates it; whether others listen to it, like it or not doesn't matter but yet it matters, though the most important thing is the quality and mastery in the music's respective context. And the topic about money and fame where most people look at them as final goals or life goals without understanding that at the end of the day, money and fame are merely tools to pursue your mastery in music itself. And in Steven Wilson's case, getting more popular or viral meant that this gave him a higher volume of audience + money, which ultimately funnels and fuels his journey to make more music that's to come.
Lastly, he could be saying that it's a futile and pointless dream to make music because who knows if you can sell it, but he still does it regardless. It's sort of that moment where you go "fine if I die and didn't manage to win, but I'm still going to do it and die trying" sort of attitude. Obviously in this case, he needs to be able to sell it to a certain extent because if not, he wouldn't be able to dedicate most of his life to music. He could probably still do it like sidelining music whilst having a day job, but what's the point really if you truly look at it?
So all in all, that statement is a big paradox about music, money and fame's relationship itself and also a confession about how stupid everything is, but you still would want to do it.
Maybe I'm overthinking it but that's how I look at it.
What the hell BBC did with Pariah?
I'm very excited to see Steven Wilson getting more exposure for being a very talented musician and artist!
Steve has the same hair, voice and personality as my chemistry teacher and its quite scary
Steven Wilson is one of the hardest workers not just in prog rock but in music itself and deserves every bit of the success he's acheived, he's more than earned it and it's really good to see him making TV appearances on the BBC. I went to see him four years ago and it was one of the best shows i have been to, if you haven't been to see SW, i highly recommend it. You won't be disappointed.
No words in the second song? That proves even the hosts don't know his music. I like it BTW that the fans are real fans who understand and absorb the music. Quality fans for quality music
The BBC gated bubble. A passionate musician who can actually play and has paid his dues. More of this please.
The 1 man on the planet that really should be a billionaire! Thanks for all the wonderful music you've made Steven Wilson... I have enjoyed it immensely "CHEERS"
Should have brought Mikael along
Exactly what I thought
Congrats to Steven for this commercial breakthrough, it's been a long time coming and the new album is excellent.
I haven't started listening to the interview yet and I'm already wincing.
Ive always loved you Steven. And I know where you are coming from. Love from Pakistan.
My life would have been incomplete had I not found SW and PT.
Steve Wilson makes good music, and he is one step ahead of the game. Furthermore, the thing I respect about him is that he does what he wants, and he ain't never sold out.
Love Steven Wilson. Love the album. One of my all time favourites. More power to him and the "long form" of music he creates so beautifully.
Good music has longevity
It's a nice thing to have
Steven is amazing, i mean, he's music preception is incredible. Im lucky enough to like he's prog phase and he's now pop phase. Eventhough speaks about an concepctual album, with lyrics. But i hear the rythm, feeling of the music, im in love. With this new album, it happen the same thing with insurgentes, which was an incredible album, along with the raven that refused to sing. Although, the song that touched to my core, was i drive the hearse (by porcupine tree), with lyrics, the albums he's made, have been amazig!!!!!
Love steven ❤ your songs keep me sane.
Thanks for the share Chris. Nice to see mainstream coverage, shame his midweek number one position didn't remain, but three is a damn fine result! 😀
No words indeed.
I haven't been into the latest solo stuff as much, but will give it more time.
I've never seen SW so enthused about his music, which is great!
SW says it takes him a “long time” 2 years between most of his solo albums, and he does more in 2 years than most bands can do in 4-5. Constantly evolving. The 3.5 years between to the bone and the future bites have yielded his best work yet. The album itself is only 9 tracks, but if you dig around here on UA-cam you can find the bonus and B side tracks for a whopping 24 tracks! And that’s not even including the demos and instrumentals!
What a beautiful person, actually I always love to hear him speaking. I'd like him to make videos speaking and sharing himself more than musically, like Devin Townsend does, because the interviewers he speak for are never prepared to make him the right questions
@5:17 Yep.There are no words.LOL
lol....
Yeahhh fine interview otherwise.
Beautiful duet work with Ninet... but they cut all of it out for a minor instrumental break.
It's like the producers of the show didn't even listen to the song, they just queued it up at a random time without any preparation.
I wish I could put such little effort into my job and keep it.
Inteligent, talented and kind. Hooray Steven Wilson!!!
Sometime I think to myself how the hell did some of the people who get there get there, "So, there are no words?". I was like wat wat wat.
You're interviewing someone, and the clip is that you've chosen, you haven't even seen it. -_-
The many likes to this post are solely because of Steven. Insightful by him.
If I'd never heard of Steven Wilson before then it was the second clip that would have made me sit up and take notice as it is a beautiful piece of instrumental music - the first clip is in no way indicative of what he is about - the man is a genius
Steven Wilson is such a massive genius and that is not an opinion but a fact
I met SW in Liverpool after a show in about 1995 with PT.. Absolutely delighted to see this and the progression he's made with his solo career.. Shame on the BBC for this, shambolic journalism..
Love Steven Wilson, shame interviewers don’t seem to have prepared at all for the interview
He is genius !
I feel a bit strange admitting this but it’s August 2020 and I’ve just become aware of PT and Steven Wilson. I have no idea what took so long. Better late than never. 🕉
The director who chose not to feature the lyrics and the outstanding vocal of Ninet during the Pariah clip should be sacked. Poor Steven -- talent finally rises to the BBC sofa after 30 years only to be shown whose really in charge. Hope the guy /girl wasn't on the that BBC rich list. As a massive fan of this man and a licence payer this really grates. Dear Public, Go listen to Pariah as it should be heard. Oh try out Routine from the last album as well - the most accessible song on the brilliant Hand : Cannot : Erase.....pure classy modern british creative rock (lets please lose this prog label)
Don't bother too much Robert-it's the theme that's runs through every aspect of every facet of the Beebs limited perspective on...everything...
Postmodern Piss you could say if your being Shakespearian
Peace buddy!
To be fair, he's pretty much highly original prog-pop or art-rock these days. He's easily got the best music going around these days IMO.
Lose a short label for a long label that conveys the same idea, sure thing mate.
Cant help feeling this sells you short Steven. You don’t have to fit in.you are you.
he should win album of the year every year
That moment when you never liked too much publicity, yet you are secretly excited for being on the BBC
He was v patient during that interview
Well done, Steven !!! Prog Rock ROCKS
I do believe that Alex Hutchins is his guitarist for 2018. Someone else who the good old Popstars listening public have never heard of and don't deserve either.
They don't deserve to interview Steven
"King of prog rock" proceeds to play permanating lol
Yeah thats like his most pop song, some will say future bites but that is more experimental dance music.
hahaha Pariah, beautiful lyrics and voices and the most abstract bit of the song for a -new to prog- listener
Finally.... ! :)
That was... awkward. The interviewers should have been more prepared.
so there are words???
Its probably because they're asking questions for people who have never heard of Steven Wilson or the concept of Prog Rock.
I think it was perfect for a mainstream audience to describe his music and produce interest.
Genius.
Forget the hosts, the real muppet of this segment is whoever chose to play the instrumental end bit of Pariah instead of the parts with vocals.
Ah breakfast TV..... is why I listen to the radio in the morning.
I know many have pointed this out... but come on, at least listen to the album on your commute in to work that morning...
Hand Cannot Erase is masterful!
The Mozart of 21st century "Steven Wilson"
the "pariah" clip & question about it?
hilarious!
YES! Steven is getting recognicion at last!
He reminds me of Simon (Gareth's I.T mate) in the Office.
He looks so good for a 49 year old. The Johnny Depp of prog in some ways. Ive heard somewhere that he eats alot of dark chocolate. Plenty of antioxidants in that.
He doesn't have children. They age you considerably lol
@@EvaluateAssimilate I believe he's married and has step kids now so let's see if he suddenly starts ageing!
“So there are no words...” possibly the funniest thing the BBC have ever done (note to presenter: they are called lyrics). And showing ‘permanating’ a wonderful track but hardly the most representative piece they could have chosen. I can imagine a whole bunch of Bollywood fans going out to buy Raven or watching Routine and thinking “what the hell?” The presenters were totally clueless.
Segment producers could have done.....a little research before hand.....but I appreciate BBC giving him a platform. I know their morning segment still has a lot of eyes on it. Although, its a dying medium at this point lol. How Ironic they give him a shot now...lmao
Ha, I was just about to say "that sounded like ABBA". Then he said it himself.
I love how clueless the hosts are
Jesus, Steven looks younger than me and I'm 34.
Stumbled across this today. I've been an occasional Porcupine Tree listener over the last 20 years and long thought that essentially Steve reminds me of what Kurt Cobain would have been like had he done a Syd Barrett/Dave Gilmour and fronted a new jagged edged art pop act starting around 1996 or so. He gives the impression that there's way more cogs turning beneath the surface and we will never get to see them all.
He's definitely a household name in many alternative timelines
´´So, there are no words´´....No, Naga, there aren´t!!
Correction, the “King of Pop Rock”.
Okay, let's see how 'The Future Bites' does then!
there are no words hahaha. Pretty much why you can't use pieces like this to get exposure. No prep time done by these hosts.
Isn't he wonderful? I'm a recent convert (and can't believe I haven't listened to his work in the last 30-odd years). Shame they couldn't have played the vocal part of Pariah...
Steven was right when he thought that getting a more poppy song he would start to get recognised...
Second clip, "so there are nowords?". Nice research!
Porcupine Tree and Steven Wilson are the ONLY music I *LOVE*
Compared to Rush being on the Colbert Report this is like overnight success for SW!!
This was almost cringeworthy. The woman could not care less and you could see how Steven was annoyed. Sad, really.
yep, further more playing the super serious journalist. I mean a small laugh on her side and a tiny bit of humor would have saved it.
1:59 OMG!! Steven wilson own a pair of shoes
Oh my god.. I thought only brazilian tv interviewers were stupid. I'm kind of relieved now...
The researcher was probably an infant when PT were playing Fear of a Blank Planet so got brought up on a diet of BieberLite. Whoa! Shoes! He's changed...see what success does for you....footwear.
Wait, is that a Converge t-shirt?
Steven says "Prog rock is telling stories!" That's it!!!!!!!
Not always :-)
So there are no words... I don’t know how to react to this comment
4,01 ye HE can 👌
Dammit as much as I am happy for him to get some exposure and stuff..these interviewers or morning show hosts really did no preparation beforehand..I mean seriously..I am certain they know the latest pants *insert random famous star* wore..but really..do your jobs more professionally..and I have to agree with what a horrible choice of song snippet they chose..It makes so much sense in the song and it's a beautiful piece..but it's like cutting Wish you were here's intro or just playing the solo part..But again..if swimming through a sea of unprepared hosts and shallow tv shows is gonna give Steven a more wide exposure..That's a sacrifice he'll have to take...and we as his fans to endure through and wish for more full live performances to satisfy our individual urges.
i feel sorry for him
Meu gato
I love Porcupine Tree.
So do I.
Refuge is great from this album.
"what's prog rock?" - "I've no idea!" . funny journalists :)
2:36 "right" you can hear she's never heard the term prog rock in her life
an observation......3 videos, 3 different place (Germany, HMV, London and he has always the same T-Shirt), come on Steve ! t-shirt manufacturers needs also to live !
Actually I think he was doing a breakfast show in Germany and later on the same day did the HMV one.So maybe London too not sure though.
0:28 General Wilsoni
NOOOO THE NORMIES KNOW!! shhh... ;)