10:01 Funnily enough, FNN wound up merging with CNBC (sort of, and it was before they were bought by NBC), so in a way, they’re somewhat still around. Also, a bit of a full circle moment considering they wound up serving as an alternate broadcaster for NBC’s coverage when both the network and NBCSN/USA were unavailable.
If I may ask, in this video he emphasizes it’s paperview at Pocono at least 4-5 times, back in that time was Pocono a popular track or not really? I personally don’t think I’d mind paying for paperview for a Pocono race in todays nascar but at the same time, todays cars and the cars of 1988-1990 are very different. It just seemed like to me he was trying to put extra emphasis on it being at Pocono and I’m not really sure why that’d be as big an issue on top of the fact it was a paperview broadcast.
Every CFB fan down here in the south fondly remembers Jefferson Pilot Sports. They were as down to earth of a broadcasting team as you can imagine, anchored by and I’m not making this up, THREE guys named Dave. In the mid 2000s they became Lincoln Financial Sports after Jefferson Pilot dropped their sponsorship, and in their final years after they couldn’t find anyone to sponsor them they just went by Raycom Sports. It’s so hard to believe it’s been so long since those days.
And in addition to NASCAR, Mike Joy also called IRL races for CBS during the 3 races they had the rights to (Charlotte 1997 & both Dover & New Hampshire in 1998) & for Fox Sports Net. He even did a few F1 races for Fox Sports Net alongside Derek Warwick in 1998 & 1999 before Bob Varsha (another commentator who has been at multiple networks during his career) arrived at Fox Sports Net/Speedvision in time for the 2000 season.
In addition to NASCAR, Mizlou also televised the final two US GP's in F1 at Watkins Glen in both 1979 & 1980 & they broadcast it live flag to flag which was very rare at the time as ABC, NBC & CBS only showed highlights of races as part of their Wide World of Sports, SportsWorld or Sports Spectacular shows. Mizlou wanted to air more F1 races heading into 1981 but was outbid by ESPN. Then with the Canadian GP from 1983-1989, if you lived in a state that was bordered Canada (ex: Washington) you had the option of watching the race on CBC if you did not want to watch it on ESPN. Lastly the PPV concept that Pocono tried from 1988-1990 would later be attempted in F1 by Bernie in 2001 when he tried to convince ITV (who held the F1 rights in the UK at the time) to move all F1 races to ITV Digital (basically the digital & British version of HBO). ITV would reject this idea & ITV Digital would cease to exist in May 2002 due to low viewing numbers.
So, you got the last one wrong... HDNet is still available, but it's now a premium movie network similar to Reelz, the sports department though did move to AXS TV, but they only air old HDNet MMA, New Japan Pro Wrestling English dubbed episodes, and new episodes of TNA Wrestling
And they didn't have a proper backstretch camera even on the live to tape footage...the actual wreck is missing just the oh no of the announcers and a wide shot of Bobby's wrecked car
Man I miss the days of TNN Motorsports, CBS Sports ESPN Speedworldand ABC Sports (never cared for the TBS races). Those CBS broadcasts with Squier felt so huge. As a kid, there was nothing like CBS airing the Daytona 500, or hearing Bob Jenkins come busting in the Speedworld opening with "ESPN! THE WORLD'S LEADER IN MOTORSPORTS PRESENTS SPEEDWORLD!"
@@ChrisSmith-1983me neither espicially in 1999 to 2000 with a failing wrestling company in WCW. I thought Turner would be desperate enough to air anything else that isn't WCW.
Darian thinks the track is on par with something like Texas and Kansas in terms of quality and he couldn’t be furthest from the truth. The Disrespect is incredibly ignorant
When I did my research for my "Every NASCAR TV Intro" project, I didn't find a MRN TV intro, the Financial News Newtwork, SportsChannel America, Prime Network, or HDnet... & I definitely didn't find one for a Pocono Pay-Per-View. 😆 Of course that video project of mine was many many years ago, so who knows how many of those were uploaded after my video. So this is an interesting unique update to that video. All the others I have seen or discovered doing my video years ago... I honestly laughed when Jefferson Pilot Teleproductions came up because I thought it was so ovscure you'd miss it, but you didn't. Good job. ☺ Very interesting finds here.
@@Waddle_Dee_With_Internet My video was done in mid-2017, so it's extremely unlikely that I would've found it, if it was uploaded before then. It was one of those videos I did on a whim.
Mike Joy reminds me of Russian F1 commentator Alexey Popov. He always moved to whatever the channel bought F1 translations, and also highly respected by F1 fans for his commentary.( not me though) Seems like common theme for sport commentators
I wanted to open a parenthesis, many Americans don't know, but NASCAR has fans in South and Central America (I'm not counting Mexico) mainly because of the Speed channel, which had channel divisions for Spanish countries and Brazil with official narrator channels and even live racing
1. Darian, you forgot about CNN Sports Illustrated. They aired live coverage of practice and qualifying during the NBC/TNT portion of the 2001 NASCAR season. 2. You also forgot FOX Business Network that aired a NASCAR Truck Series Eldora race 3. Diamond P Sports/American Sports Cavalcade aired a few tape delayed races in the 1980s. Most notably the 1983 Marty Robbins 420 4. Now this one is interesting. Showtime. Yes the premium movie channel Showtime. Now there was never any actual races shown on Showtime. But Showtime did have the show called Inside NASCAR. Chris Myers was the main host with guest hosts and driver appearances 5. Another one is technically MAVTV. MAVTV would show live ARCA races. Since NASCAR now owns ARCA, MAVTV is technically a former broadcast partner 6. American Sports Network. A sports channel created by Sinclair Broadcasting. American Sports Network broadcasted live ARCA races. Since NASCAR owns ARCA now, American Sports Network is technically a former tv partner
Enjoyed the video! Jim Benning, brother of Norm Benning, who was in the race, bought one of the PPV’s from Pocono. My brother and I, friends of Norm, went to Jim’s house to watch it. I’m pretty confident in saying it was absolutely the WORST PPV production in sports history. Jim commented something like, “I’d have gotten more value for my money throwing it in the trash”. I wonder if anyone else that had no vested interest in that Pocono race actually paid for the PPV. 😂
Here is Ken Squier quoting the most legendary line from 1983: There was a remarkable postscript to the 24th annual Miller High Life 500. You’re looking at the scene four and a half hours after the event was completed in the press box at the Charolette Motor Speedway. Just moments ago, Bill Gazaway of NASCAR made this announcement: Richard Petty’s motor was found to be some 24 cubic inches over the limit the 355 limit came in at 381.983 in measurement and at the end of the race, left side tires all the way around. That’s a big no.
What you left out is who aired the MRN broadcast! Many channels would work with outside partners to do coverage of events because it was cheaper! It was regional things really!
The Prime Sports intro brings back memories. They had some deal with our local network HTS, where HTS covered the Baltimore Orioles and Washington Bullets/Wizards and Capitals, and then the rest of their programming was from Prime. Lots of horse racing too, as I recall.
Actually it's been that way for decades but rarely was used until recently 1960 before Hamiln at Pocono in 2022 was the last time NASCAR disqualified a winner in the Cup Series.
@@BiffGreggle NASCAR's big no-no throughout its history has always been engines and tires. If the other stuff on the car is 100% do not alter, THOSE are two things you 100000% do not mess with.
Motor world TV was for one year a hybrid yes it was the tbs races but they outsourced to motor world and I think they syndicated it to markets without cable...but they were for all intents the TBS broadcasts
I think you forgot one important item for the presentation. Why there was all of these different broadcast partners. Before the 2001 season, the individual tracks were responsible for getting their races televised. NASCAR finally stepped in and negotiated for all races.
Honestly old race broadcasts were spotty, ESPN was always really good, but woo boy ABC before they just had Bob Jenkins and Benny Parsons was utter garbage! 90's era TNN was good, as was CBS and TBS, but pre 90's not on ESPN could be laughably bad...like the announcers should've been announcing something lame like figure skating instead of NASCAR!
Except they're still somewhat around, similar to how TNN is technically still around as Paramount Network. The video was about defunct channels that are no longer around, although most people might not think of CNBC and AXS TV when it comes to FNN and HDNet.
10:01 Funnily enough, FNN wound up merging with CNBC (sort of, and it was before they were bought by NBC), so in a way, they’re somewhat still around.
Also, a bit of a full circle moment considering they wound up serving as an alternate broadcaster for NBC’s coverage when both the network and NBCSN/USA were unavailable.
I paid for the 1989 Pocono race…worth it since my favorite driver Terry Labonte won!!
If I may ask, in this video he emphasizes it’s paperview at Pocono at least 4-5 times, back in that time was Pocono a popular track or not really? I personally don’t think I’d mind paying for paperview for a Pocono race in todays nascar but at the same time, todays cars and the cars of 1988-1990 are very different. It just seemed like to me he was trying to put extra emphasis on it being at Pocono and I’m not really sure why that’d be as big an issue on top of the fact it was a paperview broadcast.
@@smunger69it’s PAY PER VIEW not PAPERVIEW! It was one of the good races when you had real race cars with horsepower!
@@GNewcomb-q9v honestly I just don’t give a fuck
Dr Jerry Punch the legend. He was the man when I was a kid.
yeah but he was pretty bad when he was the lead for ESPN in '07-09
@@BlueJimmie48Fanat least he wasn't.. Marty Reid
@@TDDDDDDDOthat hammering you hear is the sound of the nail of the final coffin.
Jerry Punch was Pretty Good in the Busch/Xfinity/Nationwide Play By Play from 2007 - 2009
How he got into the sport is interesting; it was his side job while he was also completing a medical residency at Bunnell Hospital.
Every CFB fan down here in the south fondly remembers Jefferson Pilot Sports. They were as down to earth of a broadcasting team as you can imagine, anchored by and I’m not making this up, THREE guys named Dave. In the mid 2000s they became Lincoln Financial Sports after Jefferson Pilot dropped their sponsorship, and in their final years after they couldn’t find anyone to sponsor them they just went by Raycom Sports. It’s so hard to believe it’s been so long since those days.
I think it's safe to say that Mike Joy has been involved with every NASCAR television partner except NBC & ABC (As far we know of)
And in addition to NASCAR, Mike Joy also called IRL races for CBS during the 3 races they had the rights to (Charlotte 1997 & both Dover & New Hampshire in 1998) & for Fox Sports Net. He even did a few F1 races for Fox Sports Net alongside Derek Warwick in 1998 & 1999 before Bob Varsha (another commentator who has been at multiple networks during his career) arrived at Fox Sports Net/Speedvision in time for the 2000 season.
Before he hangs it up it wouldn't surprise me if he calls at least one race for NBC.
How many networks has Mike Joy worked for?
ALL OF THEM
In addition to NASCAR, Mizlou also televised the final two US GP's in F1 at Watkins Glen in both 1979 & 1980 & they broadcast it live flag to flag which was very rare at the time as ABC, NBC & CBS only showed highlights of races as part of their Wide World of Sports, SportsWorld or Sports Spectacular shows. Mizlou wanted to air more F1 races heading into 1981 but was outbid by ESPN. Then with the Canadian GP from 1983-1989, if you lived in a state that was bordered Canada (ex: Washington) you had the option of watching the race on CBC if you did not want to watch it on ESPN. Lastly the PPV concept that Pocono tried from 1988-1990 would later be attempted in F1 by Bernie in 2001 when he tried to convince ITV (who held the F1 rights in the UK at the time) to move all F1 races to ITV Digital (basically the digital & British version of HBO). ITV would reject this idea & ITV Digital would cease to exist in May 2002 due to low viewing numbers.
0:56 I can't believe Mike Joy was actually young at one point
Voice never changed.
@@kylejonesUBYeah and I guess you could say Ken Squire recruted him just like John Madden recruted Bob Costas.
This clearly took some serious deep digging. Well done!
Gran Turismo 1 dealership music? Hell yeah
So, you got the last one wrong... HDNet is still available, but it's now a premium movie network similar to Reelz, the sports department though did move to AXS TV, but they only air old HDNet MMA, New Japan Pro Wrestling English dubbed episodes, and new episodes of TNA Wrestling
Thanks for the correction!
HDNet Movies was a separate channel from HDNet.
Now it makes sense why Bobby Allison's career ending crash wasn't fully covered on regular TV, it fell under one of those forgotten networks.
And they didn't have a proper backstretch camera even on the live to tape footage...the actual wreck is missing just the oh no of the announcers and a wide shot of Bobby's wrecked car
If Mike Joy isn’t “Mr. NASCAR”, I don’t know who is. He is definitely a first ballot Hall of Famer!
SpeedVision might be kinda forgotten, as it became Speed Channel after only a couple years. They even sponsored a car in the Busch Series.
USA Network broadcasted the Twin 125s from 1982 to 1984 or 1985
They still air races today, so they aren't really forgotten.
Man I miss the days of TNN Motorsports, CBS Sports ESPN Speedworldand ABC Sports (never cared for the TBS races). Those CBS broadcasts with Squier felt so huge. As a kid, there was nothing like CBS airing the Daytona 500, or hearing Bob Jenkins come busting in the Speedworld opening with "ESPN! THE WORLD'S LEADER IN MOTORSPORTS PRESENTS SPEEDWORLD!"
Interesting piece of NASCAR broadcasting history.
9:31 for a moment, I thought that this guy was THE Pat Patterson (the wrestler, first-ever WWE Intercontinental Champion)
Mike Joy was getting the bag back then
Yep thanks to Ken Squire. 😅
No idea Jefferson Pilot did NASCAR. That stuff was my childhood.
Mrn-tv Last Race was The 1981 Mason-Dixon 500
Thanks for the correction!
aka Jody Ridley's first and only Cup win
The disrespect for Pocono is wild.
Yep. I’m surprised CBS or TBS didn’t cover the Pocono Races.
@@ChrisSmith-1983me neither espicially in 1999 to 2000 with a failing wrestling company in WCW. I thought Turner would be desperate enough to air anything else that isn't WCW.
Darian thinks the track is on par with something like Texas and Kansas in terms of quality and he couldn’t be furthest from the truth. The Disrespect is incredibly ignorant
A 10.5yr old your boys life was changed jan 1st 1996 when i tuned that massive dish in our yard to a certain galaxy.
Take it a little easy on Pocono Raceway. It's my home track. I've been going there for almost forty years and I love that place. 🏁
When I did my research for my "Every NASCAR TV Intro" project, I didn't find a MRN TV intro, the Financial News Newtwork, SportsChannel America, Prime Network, or HDnet... & I definitely didn't find one for a Pocono Pay-Per-View. 😆
Of course that video project of mine was many many years ago, so who knows how many of those were uploaded after my video. So this is an interesting unique update to that video. All the others I have seen or discovered doing my video years ago... I honestly laughed when Jefferson Pilot Teleproductions came up because I thought it was so ovscure you'd miss it, but you didn't. Good job. ☺
Very interesting finds here.
lol there’s a TV into of an MRN video with that same title you can find with a UA-cam video search. It’s uploaded around 2017 to 2018 though
@@Waddle_Dee_With_Internet My video was done in mid-2017, so it's extremely unlikely that I would've found it, if it was uploaded before then.
It was one of those videos I did on a whim.
About the only thing I associated Jefferson Pilot with was college sports before they became part of what's now Raycom Sports.
Mike Joy reminds me of Russian F1 commentator Alexey Popov. He always moved to whatever the channel bought F1 translations, and also highly respected by F1 fans for his commentary.( not me though)
Seems like common theme for sport commentators
Mike Joy hustled
I wanted to open a parenthesis, many Americans don't know, but NASCAR has fans in South and Central America (I'm not counting Mexico) mainly because of the Speed channel, which had channel divisions for Spanish countries and Brazil with official narrator channels and even live racing
Plus doesn't South America still have Fox Sports 2 and Fox Sports 3 and 4.
I thought HDNet had alternate HD broadcasts of a few Cup races around 2007, including that race when Dale Jr. replaced Kyle Busch early on.
1. Darian, you forgot about CNN Sports Illustrated. They aired live coverage of practice and qualifying during the NBC/TNT portion of the 2001 NASCAR season.
2. You also forgot FOX Business Network that aired a NASCAR Truck Series Eldora race
3. Diamond P Sports/American Sports Cavalcade aired a few tape delayed races in the 1980s. Most notably the 1983 Marty Robbins 420
4. Now this one is interesting. Showtime. Yes the premium movie channel Showtime. Now there was never any actual races shown on Showtime. But Showtime did have the show called Inside NASCAR. Chris Myers was the main host with guest hosts and driver appearances
5. Another one is technically MAVTV. MAVTV would show live ARCA races. Since NASCAR now owns ARCA, MAVTV is technically a former broadcast partner
6. American Sports Network. A sports channel created by Sinclair Broadcasting. American Sports Network broadcasted live ARCA races. Since NASCAR owns ARCA now, American Sports Network is technically a former tv partner
Nice song choice for the intro. Gran Turismo 1 has some bangers for sure.
13:00 yep, Joey Logano going up the NASCAR Cup division (where he is the 2 time champ) aged like fine wine.
SETN had a cool animation.
I can't wait for TNT to come back
Next year along with Stream on MAX and TruTV
kinda wish mrn still broadcasted tv races
Jefferson Pilot Sports was on WTTO CW21 (WB21 at the time).
What was the last Winston Cup points race that was not broadcasted on television in any form?
I Like Tape Delay On Television NASCAR Telecast From The 70s 80s And Early 90s Thanks For Uploading
TY,i enjoyed this so much.great video!
And I thought waking up at 8 am to watch the ARCA Pocono race last year was bad enough, can't imagine buying on pay-per-view
Ikr. We are pretty much gonna get that with HBO max for Practice next year. Also FloRacing could be considered PPV.
What a incel you are for making a comment like that.
7:55 AND THEY ARE DOING IT AGAIN WITH AMAZON
Yep...history repeats itself
Enjoyed the video!
Jim Benning, brother of Norm Benning, who was in the race, bought one of the PPV’s from Pocono. My brother and I, friends of Norm, went to Jim’s house to watch it. I’m pretty confident in saying it was absolutely the WORST PPV production in sports history.
Jim commented something like, “I’d have gotten more value for my money throwing it in the trash”.
I wonder if anyone else that had no vested interest in that Pocono race actually paid for the PPV.
😂
Legit never heard of any of these stations
Mike Joy has always sounded the same
What about CMT, I thawt they prodcasted NASCAR races also
TNN not CMT, technically what was TNN is actually Spike TV now.
@@PaperBanjo64 Paramount Network now actually
@@PaperBanjo64and now we known today as Paramount network
Here is Ken Squier quoting the most legendary line from 1983: There was a remarkable postscript to the 24th annual Miller High Life 500. You’re looking at the scene four and a half hours after the event was completed in the press box at the Charolette Motor Speedway. Just moments ago, Bill Gazaway of NASCAR made this announcement: Richard Petty’s motor was found to be some 24 cubic inches over the limit the 355 limit came in at 381.983 in measurement and at the end of the race, left side tires all the way around. That’s a big no.
What you left out is who aired the MRN broadcast! Many channels would work with outside partners to do coverage of events because it was cheaper! It was regional things really!
The Prime Sports intro brings back memories. They had some deal with our local network HTS, where HTS covered the Baltimore Orioles and Washington Bullets/Wizards and Capitals, and then the rest of their programming was from Prime. Lots of horse racing too, as I recall.
Did they pick up Mike Joy breathing into the mic back then too?
8:38 might wanna take that part out so the incompetent Steve’s in NASCAR’s higher ups don’t get any ideas.
3:40 NASCAR absolutely showed favoritism here by letting Richard Petty keep his win.
That was the status quo back then, no matter who the "winner" was. It's only within the past few years that they began stripping drivers of wins.
Actually it's been that way for decades but rarely was used until recently 1960 before Hamiln at Pocono in 2022 was the last time NASCAR disqualified a winner in the Cup Series.
@@BiffGreggle NASCAR's big no-no throughout its history has always been engines and tires. If the other stuff on the car is 100% do not alter, THOSE are two things you 100000% do not mess with.
Much like Nick Harris, Gavin Emmitt and Matt Birt are the voices of MotoGP, Mike Joy is the voice of NASCAR. No contest!!
You should dig up some info on Sunbelt video. I know they broadcast some races at Rougemont in the early 90's
Good Lord, what a legend Mike Joy is.
Nascar needs a Wwe network style rebrand so we can watch these old broadcasts
Nascar themselves is posting old races to youtube.
@@kylejonesUB they also have nascar classics now too
Incredibly interesting subject here
You got to love the cheesy music of the 80's
Was MRN on TV a cable channel?
Motor world TV was for one year a hybrid yes it was the tbs races but they outsourced to motor world and I think they syndicated it to markets without cable...but they were for all intents the TBS broadcasts
Nice!
I think you forgot one important item for the presentation. Why there was all of these different broadcast partners.
Before the 2001 season, the individual tracks were responsible for getting their races televised. NASCAR finally stepped in and negotiated for all races.
HDNet had hockey and MLS?? I remember them having MMA because I’d pirate that shizzzz as a teenager
Believe they also showed ROH Wrestling
@@brandon_blaze yes they did
Honestly old race broadcasts were spotty, ESPN was always really good, but woo boy ABC before they just had Bob Jenkins and Benny Parsons was utter garbage! 90's era TNN was good, as was CBS and TBS, but pre 90's not on ESPN could be laughably bad...like the announcers should've been announcing something lame like figure skating instead of NASCAR!
6:45
Dr. Jerry Punch is getting WAY too close to "Adolf Hitler" style..
Never forget SPEED
Diamond P Sports did some Nascar
2025 April Fool
NASCAR Forgotten Channels
ESPN. TNN. CBS. SPEED. TBS. ABC. 😂
What about TNN they had some good races 😊💜
TNN became spike and is now the paramount network
Marty Robbins
Marty Robbins
SPEED channel (now FS1) is another forgotten one
Speed turned into FS1. Motor Trend is completely different.
@@chevyman81 thank you
Speed was in the game for a long time.
Except they're still somewhat around, similar to how TNN is technically still around as Paramount Network.
The video was about defunct channels that are no longer around, although most people might not think of CNBC and AXS TV when it comes to FNN and HDNet.
@JoelGarcia true they are FS1 but they aren't what SPEED channel was known for. But that is true
Nascar bust Casey Mears
Kamikaze Games is gonna be pissed!