It’s so disappointing. DC has *so much* potential. Lantern Corps, magic realm, Bat family and League of Shadows, Shazam fam, and I haven’t even gotten started. They have so much to work with, and they have no idea what they’re doing. Edit: Geoff Johns' Green Lantern run is so freakin' good, holy hell. What an epic story.
@@SSJSonic05 eventhough the DC:EU was that bad, I think that the direction they were heading is still better (if it's true), than Snyder's original plan for the franchise. His plan was to make the majority of the DC movies Justice League movies. Every now and then, there will be solo movies of the JL members. The solo movies would be like how the MCU, pretty much self contained but was still connected within the same universe. The MCU was successful because it had the audience wanting more Avengers movies, while not having a crossover fatigue. Some may argue that the same can be said about the opposite, but if you think about it, we're not constantly seeing every member of the Avengers. It's being paced out with every solo movie. Constantly having a global threat where it requires all JL members coming together to stop it will make the threat in the solo films as if it's not really a big deal.
Trying to put all that onto the big screen doesn't sound like the easiest thing to. A Green Lantern or Batman series alone could be it's own saga. WB would have to release 4 or 5 DC movies each year to touch on everything.
@@SSJSonic05 Exactly! Imagine having a league of legendary writers who understand their audience, and ignoring them to get your own team of ppl who don't fully care and making them compete with the MCU (that had all of that in the beginning).
@@NiccFurious Kevin Feige is a once in a generation genius. I don't know his loyalties but I'll be glad if he can work with WB maybe as a consultant at least.
agreed kind of. Drop Flash, wonder woman and aquaman. Joker 2 and Batman 2 stand alone so you can keep those, and maybe Peacemaker if you stay away from visually referencing the JL.
@@gban2647 it would still be trash if he consulted, because the ultimate decision lies with conservative braindead right winger's, give it to Feige to orchestrate and deliver, or suffer the same fate.
Oh you mean like you MCU losers that love getting bait and switched by Kevin Feige then beg for more crumbs in post credit scenes instead of fleshing out the obvious at least Zack Snyder knew what the people wanted and kept it simple still wa
@@triviabooknerd5349 man I’m so mad at how DC turned into a mess. If only Man of a steel had like a end credit scene showing Bruce Wayne in the Batcave watching Metropolis news on what happened there. Then have a solo Batman film next in line AND THEN a Batman vs Superman with no WonderWoman, keep the tease cameos of Wonder Woman, The Flash, Cyborg, and Aquaman and instead of Doomsday being the main villian, it should of been just Lex Luther. The end credits of Batman vs Superman would be of Lex getting out of jail to form the Legion of Doom. WonderWoman would be next then Aquaman, The Flash and Cyborg THEN Justice League. After League, it would be Shazam. Shiiit WB are truly morons they wanted to do their own “thing” smfh
I agree with everything here, except the big bad of the universe being Darkseid. I think there are other villians that can fill that same role, that need more attention. Someone like trigon, who at least some people know about from the teen titans show, or possibly even the Antimonitor. I think that Darkseid is far to close to Thanos, and the average audience would just chalk him up to being another thanos. For sake of diversity, I'd even say Brainiac would make a good Main Villian, yeah you'd have to change him a little but atrocitus and a whole list of other villians need their time in the light that are justice league level threats.
Great point on Darkseid, although I would love to see him, you're right that it would feel like another Thanos. But considering that they could use Darkseid in a single film and build up to Brainiac.
@@jasonkelly8771 I mean that's the point. The movies are being made by people that don't believe in the wholesome rural culture bc they're urbanites. I assure you. It's real
@@manifesteddestiny. No, it isn't real. I come from rural red state America. The people there are not good people, whatsoever. They think they're good people because they're all as terrible as the next person. I know the truth is they're even worse than the worst stereotypes. If Superman was raised in white rural Kansas, he'd be like Stormfront.
I was deployed in early 2018 when you did a version of this on Comics Explained. It's interesting to hear how your thoughts have evolved but also stayed the same since then. Can't believe that's been four years. I have probably been listening nearly everyday for at least six years. Learned a lot and always look forward to the next videos. Thank you for your channels, Rob!
They need to just make the flashpoint paradox reset everything. Recast everyone and put one person in charge to oversee it. Come up with a vision. Don’t plan the films one at a time, plan out your first seven or eight films. Play the long game. Or, they can just do individual movies and stop trying to connect everything. Those are the only two options I see.
@@nahinkhondoker9147 It will, but they are kind of in a bad position right now. The Batman thing is a mess because it’s been a revolving door. They could keep Superman, Aquaman, and wonder woman and reboot around them, but they might as well go younger and just start over at this point. But that’s if they are going to try and keep a connected universe.
@@chrisjohns4991 well, I hope so as Zack’s original plan had a cyborg film and a new gods/old gods film. Also, the Flash movie was a flashpoint paradox film and it was gonna have reverse flash basically an adaptation of the comic and it would have made a new universe so WB would make a brand new batch of movies in a new universe
Hyperion should be played by Alan Ritchson (The actor who played Jack Reacher in the new Reacher series). Honestly, he would be a good Aquaman too. I'm pretty sure he played AC in Smallville.
I agree with most of this, but I think they should leave the multiversal stuff completely out. And the fact that you had a plan for Aquaman, Cyborg and Green Lantern but not Flash is kinda weird, he's not a difficult character. But I say 100% leave Gustin out, it needs to all be separate from everything. And I think bringing in characters like Mongul for Superman would be better. Maybe doin Court of Owls second for Batman or even 3rd. Maybe start off with Long Halloween to show off the Rogues Gallery, lead into Red Hood and 3rd could be the Owls
I agree with your Batman idea - 1st Film = Long Halloween inspired 2nd Film = All Out Red Hood! 3rd Film = Beware the Court of Owls Also, some food for thought, I would LOVE to see one of the Batman films be an adaptation of the Heart of Ice Story {MR. FREEZE}
@@AlexMercerConsumptio seems like a good idea 👍… but wouldn’t it break the continuity of the show and really confused the general audience, that this new flash is the same flash from the show?
@@the_Collectors_Domain if anything it would make more sense.🤔 What they could do is have the show lead it’s way up to introducing Grant into the DC Cinematic Universe. Essentially give him permanent amnesia or something of the sorts. Alternatively they could simply.. roll over a section of the tv show’s story into the cinematic universe. I wouldn’t even mind keeping the same reverse flash.
No judgement to anyone's opinion but personally I thought he was terrible as the flash not that he's a bad actor but he's just not a good fit plus he just creeps me out for some reason
I see the first story being how you open the movie, the first 15 minutes, then you get an opening credits or splash and then you go into the court of owls story. It would make everyone love that version of batman and get him right away. Dude this idea of yours is great.
I think DCU is doomed. One of the problems of the DCU is the Snyder stuff, is too divisive, half the fanbase hate it, half love it. No matter what you do, a complete reboot or continue with the story Snyder set up, it always will alienate half of the fan base. Also I feel like, the snyder stuff already burn some iconic moments of the comics too early. Mainly death of superman. For the average viewer, Darkseid is to similar to Thanos, even more in the way the DCEU have traeted it. So even if i know that Darkseid was created before thanos, Darkseid in movies felt like they're just trying to imitate what marvel did. Anti monitor wouldn't be that much different, a cosmic level threat that requires all the heroes to get together to fight against. If anything, anti-monitor is less interesting for me. Other than Snyder stuff, most DC movies struggle to find its identity, some movies is like they are not decided whether or not they want to continue with the DCEU or they want to be it's own stuff. Even if they somehow get to put all their s**t together at WB, I think it's too late because i think we already reached an exhaustation point around the superhero genre. I have many friends that no longer goes to watch the new superhero movie, even tho they are fans of the comics. I would rather prefer they made some good stand-alone movies or leave the genre rest for a while, than watching other attempt to take the DCEU off the ground.
Since Reeves' Batman came to realize that vengeance only makes problems worse, the Court of Owls is a great shadow to develop the Bruce Wayne persona in the next film.
I think it's too late for DC. At least in the mean time. They need a group of top tier writers, including non other than comic greats Grant Morrison, Frank Miller, Niel Gaiman and a few great film writers and a very good executive producer. It needs to be thought out, planned to be very elemental yet grounded. And it should take a few years to get together. They should abandon the flash movie project for the time being, including any other projects, and focus attentions on the animated side while they restructure the live action cinema. I like your ideas and you definitely laid out some good ground work. I particularly like the One-Shot series idea. It reminds me of the What If show Marvel is doing. DC's line of up of more adult content such as Swamp Thing, The Sandman, etc, are definitely a good direction DC should go. The Spectre would be a good host to it, much like The Watcher is to What If. If there's one character I enjoy is John Constantine.
What do you think DC should do then? We all love stories who're tied together like Marvel has done with the Avengers. I know Thanos has been done but it can done with Darksiede initially just to get audiences in. Does DC have good enough villains?
I think if done right, a young Bruce Wayne could make for a good introduction to a Universe reboot. Young villain cameos for some foreshadowing, now that could be amazing.
I honestly enjoy what they have done with Batman and The Joker, and would love to see more solo stories, since those projects usually have a higher quality and elevate mostly everyone that is involved. The problem with that is that they would be closing the doors to big events that need a lot of background to work for a larger audience.
Matt Reeves says he was maybe interested in adding a supernatural element like Superman, but that would be his limit. But, maybe it's like Iron Man, which feels really grounded, yet Marvel started to build on more supernatural stuff and it didn't feel too off. I know I'm being hopeful but if DC is smart they could build the universe out of this version of Batman.
@@TheDillon8825 adding Superman into such a grounded universe like The Batman wouldn’t really work. There wouldn’t be much for him to do and no real opposition.
@@allencarnes2477 Nah it would work you just need to give it time. The MCU didn't start off with multiverses and a laundry list of characters it was just one guy and a tease for future stuff. It was literally just an idea at some point.
@@allencarnes2477 Iron Man could have very well just been a one and done trilogy that didn't lead to anything but the first movie was so successful that they decided to launch spin offs.
You mailed in that green lantern section Rob. 😂 Felt like an unfinished school assignment. Regardless, the whole video was great man, wish they'd hire you.
It would honestly be cool iff they did this, recast everyone except Henry because he's literally perfect superman and nobody would be mad. Just say he's in a alternate universe off the bat and your golden.
My idea for how to do a DCEU reboot would be: WB should just change the title of the Flash movie to just Flashpoint then begin phase 1 of this new DCEU: Superman For a Better Tommorrow: Taking inspiration from Geoff Johns "Superman Secret Origins" it would focus on Clark arrival at Metropolis, as he start working on the Daily Planet while, as Superman, he becomes the city's hero and deals with the pressure that comes with the role. The villains would be Parasite and Lex Luthor. Batman Duo - It would be a sequel to Reeves The Batman, showing Bruce adopting Dick Grayson and helping him capture the criminals who killed his parents. The villains would be Mr Freeze Ventriloquist & Scarface. Flash The Fastest Man Alive - It would showcase Barry Allen's origin, he developing his relationship with Iris and saving Central City from Gorila Grodd. Zatanna - It would be a mix of Harry Potter with Indiana Jones Last Crusade, with the plot having Zatanna going on quest to find her father, who she belives was kidnap because he was searching for three mystical artifacts (the wheel, the jar and the bell). The main villain would be Felix Faustus. Superman & Batman World's Finest - It would be the first DCEU crossover, showing Superman and Batman's first meeting, as the Man of Steel comes to Gotham and teams up with the dynamic duo to investigate Lex Luthor, who came to Gotham in order to sell weapons to Black Mask and his gang. Wonder Woman Spirit of Truth - It would be a reboot showing Diana arriving at Man's World after one of her sisters receives a vision from the gods of a great calamity that is to befall the Earth. At first Diana have very feminist views on the world and most people don''t trust her, but, with the help of agent Steve Trevor and archelogist Julia Kapatelis, Diana is able to see the good of Man's World and earns the trust of the government after saving civilians from Giganta (who gain her powers from Ares, with him and Diana having a Spider Man and Tombstone type of dynamic). Green Lantern In Brightest Day - It would showcase the origin of Hal Jordan, as he joins the GL corps and becomes partner of Sinestro, who slowly develops a respect for the rookie, much like the rest of the GL corp members as Hal helps them defeat Krona, the renegade guardian, and his army of Manhunters. The post credit scene would introduce John Stewart as lantern responsible for protecting Earth while Hal is out in space. Justice League Secret Origin - It would have Martian Manhunter reuniting the heroes (Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Barry Allen, John Stewart and Zatanna) to help him free his people from White Martians, who are planning to steal Earth's energy to save their planet and turn it into a paradise. The final scene would have a Starro cameo, with the league showing up to stop them, revealing themselves as team for the first time to the public, with no one knowing about the heroes adventure in Mars, That's why the title is SECRET ORIGIN. And of course, the post credit scene would set up Darkseid to be the big bad in the Justice League trilogy.
Also, LOVE the idea of all the opening credits of the DC reboot movies being an origin story montage. Nearly every main JL characters origin story can easily be covered in a well-shot 3 minute opening credit sequence.
from what I remember after the justice league the WB sent a board member to the studio and to the comicbook studio to monitor everything and the directors, writers, and artists hated being under their thumbs.
Hire Paul dini to be the new Kevin feige. Step number two soft reboot and hire another actor to play Flash you're going to have to have Ezra Miller be a variant and cut some of his things out. The new Flash actor will be the main Flash and hopefully Patterson would be there as Batman. You just tell the director hey man from the Batman you have nothing to do with our Justice League movies
If I was magically in charge and rebooting everything to make a cinematic universe it would be something along the lines of: Phase 1: Batman: this batman would focus more on the detective side of things, we'd skip the origin, the joker would be around but not the main focus, maybe even open with batman capturing the joker (cause batman's role in the justice league will be the leader and the one who has years of experience), the main villain will be the riddler, think the batman but with batman actually beating the riddler at their own game by solving the riddles and doing detective work. Also in the process of solving this mystery batman uncovers something that might lead to a bigger conspiracy. Also in this film and other films brace Wayne scenes will also show them using their wealth to help the poor (that way you don't have the normal problem of rich guy beating up poor people rather than not helping them not be people). Superman: I would play on the immigrant aspect of Superman, for that I'd cast a non white actor, have people unsure about were to trust them and also have Superman question if he should save the humans, as everytime he does there's always another problem and media (maybe run by lex Luther) keep making him out to be the bad guy, with Superman finding his reason to save people the hope that they can get better based off of people like his adoptive parents and Lois and Jimmy, etc. I don't think that the villains are that important to the plot. Green lantern: space cop movie, hal Jordan either starts out already a green lantern or it gets covered very quickly, this will basically be the guardians of the galaxy of the cinematic universe, hal learns that he's mentor sinestro has made a yellow lantern ring (insert joke in the script about the obvious villain name and how did no one see it coming). Flash: a young flash who is new to his powers has to fight captain cold and his team of villains, think a more light hearted goofy tone. Wonder woman: basically the first film with two big changes, ares doesn't show up in the end (cause that was stupid) and the love interest doesn't die (yet). Justice league: I'm thinking the main villain could be zod, first act is all the different characters piecing together that the invasion is coming (batman finding clues, green lantern being sent to investigate activites near earth, Barry has star labs researching something that detacts the invasion, etc), also we meet modern day wonder woman and she's retired and given up on humanity but is convinced to join the fight by the other heroes. Phase 2: Batman 2: court of owls, batman has been looking more into the bigger mystery and eventually uncovers the court of owls and has to team up with the joker, who the owls captured, to uncover and stop their conspiracy. Superman 2: due to zod's invasion lex Luther has continued to make the public distrust Superman but after putting his life in danger taking a kyptonite blast from metallo to protection a family live on camera (maybe ironically lex's news camera, also lex is behind the attack in the first place) Superman proves himself to the public. Green lantern 2: other lantern corps are introduced in this story, with the main villains being the red lanterns. Flash 2: reverse flash is the main villain Wonder woman 2: set in the cold War her and her husband have been working with the government all through WW2 and onwards saving the world several times but on this mission to stop nuclear war Wonder woman is betrayed and her husband dies, this leaves her disillusioned with the human race as people would actually rather end the world over differences than find peace. Aquaman: something like the first film, I'm not really knowledgeable about that character. Martian man hunter: again nit super knowledgeable but they'd be cool to have. Nightwing: introduce the character, maybe hint at their existence in the other two batman films. Basically him trying to find his own identity away from batman. Don't know much about their own rogues gallery so not sure who the villain would be. Also maybe use it to introduced some other teen titans, maybe beast boy and cyborg (who could be being experimented on). Justice league 2: doomsday: basically the death of Superman story, all the characters introduced so far fight doomsday, lose and Superman defeats them but seemingly dies in the process but unlike in BvS we've spent time with this Superman so actually care when they die. Phase 3: Supergirl: originally sent out with Clark to protect him she got sent off course and finds herself on earth only to find that the child she was supposed to protect has grown up and died saving the world, she now has to find her own purpose in life and figure out where she fits in with her new world. Batman 3: the joker working with bane sets all of batman's rogues gallery loose on Gotham. Ends with the tired batman fighting bane completely unprepared and being broken and crippled. Green lantern 3: war between the various lantern corps errupts and hal learns of the blackest night prophecy. Teen titans: with Superman gone and the events of nightwings previous film, dick grayson forms the titans with starfire and raven joining the team Zatana: not knowledgeable about the mystical side of DC but would be cool to introduced sone of those characters, you could have Constantine and doctor fate involved in the film, plus maybe raven. Flash 3: the flash accidentally travels to another earth and meets a different flash Wonder woman 3: now set in the present day Wonder woman now with her faith in humanity restored by the justice league has her own solo adventure. Justice league 3: blackest night: everyone verses black lantern zombies, everyone ends up with different lantern rings and the discovery of the white lantern rings allows for Superman to return, this also leads to batman being healed. Also at the end Supergirl secretly still has a red lantern ring. Phase 4: Superman 3: Superman finally has his confrontation with lex Luther who is now running for president. Also yes lex gets to wear his armoured suit. Flashpoint: we all know this story. This also could be a way to recast any actors who want to leave at this point. Batman 4: the killing joke, I probably won't have batman kill the joker himself but this will end with the joker dying (maybe have harley snap and kill him) and batman contemplating retirement. Green lantern 4: this will cover red lantern Supergirl. Batman beyond: it would be cool to see it in live action. Justice league 4: darkseid or crisis, depends how well things are going, as crisis would be the end story.
You hit the nail on the head with your assumption: that the DCEU came out of a board room instead of creative writers. Warner does not look at this as "let's make a great cinematic universe like Marvel, if it's great it will reign in billions", they look at this as "Marvel has an MCU getting billions, we have superheroes too, so let's make a few movies to make billions too".
Give people the John Stewart Green Lantern that they grew up watching in cartoons. Start there, all those people are young 20’s,30’s now? the perfect age for nostalgia to kick in.
I actually had a great discussion with my friends way before Marvel even hit phase 2 of their universe about some ideas DC/WB could take and run with very successfully, and I wanted to share one piece of that here- I think Blackest Night is actually a fantastic end goal to aim for a phase 3 position. It can offer so much to the screen that Marvel hasn't begun to touch on - permanent character deaths that can actually be meaningful to stories, which will get the extra weight of their reappearance bc we'll KNOW these characters, we'll be as invested as our heroes. The blip on marvels side of things created this really interesting, world shaping event that laid the foundation for the next generation of heroes, Blackest Night offers a similar yet marketably different sort of event, that also allows for exploration into the impact on the larger world or universe. I don't like going to Crisis stories bc there's simply too much going on, too many characters, too much comic nonsense to follow around. At best, we'll get something close to a Dr Strange 2 effect where we get exposed to lots of cool things and ideas but never get deep into them. I could honestly make a video explaining my thoughts on all this too bc I really feel comic fans and new fans alike would enjoy what my friends and I were suggesting, as long as there's unifying direction for the films over all then individual directors can be allowed to do character driven stories like Joker or The Batman, and I believe it would pay off dividends
HELL with that bad Reed Richards hand wave out of the limousine. Can you remember that scene where doctor Doom's glove extended a blade out of each of the fingers in his gauntlet? Like like his hand was four stilettos and a thumb! Basically they were supposed to be crawl like weapons functionally, but even that was messed up because the blades were all Lateral with his hand. Like each finger's blade edge touched the other's blade edge except for the outside of the index and pinky fingers. 🤦♂️😲😂🤷♂️😵
Funnily enough I personally find Superman and Batman to be two of the least compelling characters in the DC universe most of the time, but only because these two characters are just always WINNING at everything. Those stories where they show their emotions and where they struggle, that's what I want. Both of these characters have the capacity for great empathy and compassion. If they can show us these characters like that, then I think they'd have a solid foundation to build their own universe on. But if they can't make Batman and Superman compelling, then I don't think anything else they do afterwards will matter.
In my opinion at this point WB doesn't need a cohesive universe. They can just do individual character movies. Those seem to be where they do there best. As cool as it is to see characters team up, it's not necessary. They're in the business of making money. So they should stick what works for them.
DC needs to hire Rob to officially plan their movie rollout for the next 10 years. Just let this man plan your first phase of movies. They could not do any worse.
He’s only been reading DC comics for over a decade. I think he’s somebody to have in DC to show the dumbasses some comic panals but other than that, respectfully no.
Lol, no. I’m sorry but the issue is when you hear any single person laying out a plan like this is that there’s nobody there to challenge their logic. Anyone can do an elevator pitch, but you need someone to really think about the greater whole.
@@SuperShanko Greater whole? I’m interested in what you mean by that? Of course the details need to be considered but Warner bros doesn’t even have an elevator pitch.
Reboot the DCEU. Use the Justice league animated series as a blue print. These could be the movie timeline. Phase one 1. Superman: last son of krypton 2. BATMAN: zero year 3. Wonder woman: Amazon Princess 4: The flash: fastest man alive 5: Green lantern: brightest day 6. Justice league: World's finest Phase two 1. The Atom 2. Shazam: Gods and Monster's 3. Teen Titans 4. Superman: war world 5. Batman: Ascension 6. Wonder woman: paradise lost 7. The flash: gorilla warfare 8. Green lantern: Rage of the red lanterns 9. Justice league: Legion And so on with the other phases..
The only concern I'd have is just how difficult it is to humanize a character like Superman, as the sacrificed career of Brandon Routh can probably attest. That being said, I did like the approach that Warner Bros. had with introducing characters with the Justice League movie, and I think that if it worked for the general opinion of Aquaman or Flash, then that could be a way in for a Green Lantern as well. Alternatively, I wonder if starting with a Justice League movie that already shows an already-formed league and ends with the heroes going their separate ways would work as well. It would show the landscape, who the heroes are, how they function, allow room for a villain that isn't universe-ending, and that sendoff could serve as a lead-in toward individual story arcs.
I think a smaller superman story could work pretty well, have a daily planet movie or something. And then superman himself is more showing off during justice league while usually he is busy doing stories on people or trying to change minds while writing stories about people
About humanizing Superman, here's my pitch in the context of a larger interconnected DC universe. It's a character arc that is meant to be built up over multiple movies. It's not perfect and it needs A LOT of work to smooth the edges, but it's just an example that came to mind while watching the video. Take it as a proof of concept, and sorry in advance for the long post. Start with a couple of more "traditional" movies in which you just see Superman being Superman, saving people and beating bad guys with his unbelievable powers. These should be your typical superhero movies, with lots of action and fireworks, to captivate the audience. Then, you go to a smaller, more character-based movie in which Superman stars to learn how his actions are affecting the people of Earth, and specifically that humans are starting to rely on him to save them. Have a movie showing people who start acting carelessly and endangering themselves without thinking about the consequences of their actions, because they know that Superman will come and save them. Have him running around to save a bunch of people from dangers that they could have easily avoided if they had just put some thought before acting. And by the end of it Superman starts questioning whether his actions are actually helping people to grow and become the better version of themselves or if they're just becoming spoiled and weak. This concludes Act I. At this point, and here you could have a connection to a larger DC universe, you start introducing a new mysterious threat. It could be anything, as long as it's something on the Justice League scale, big enough that Superman can't deal with it alone. This is the part with the most freedom when it comes to the plot, you could do anything you want, really. He meets the other heroes, interacts with them, maybe you could have some conflicts between them too (I truly want to see a GOOD Batman v. Superman movie...), have them fight some lesser bad guys, you name it. But at the same time keep building the core conflict within Superman, with people becoming more and more carefree and reckless, some even start worshiping him and call him to help with petty things like saving cats from tall trees or whatever, all because he keeps true to his morals and keeps helping them no matter what, sometimes even at the expense of himself and other benefits or greater good that he might want to achieve, and you show him becoming increasingly fatigued by all this. More often than not, this truly becomes an obstacle for him, actively getting in the way of his work as a superhero and tiring him both physically and emotionally. But eventually this big threat is gonna come, so the team is assembled and here Act II ends. And finally, for Act III, you have the big finale: a couple of movies or even a trilogy of films just focused on all the heroes trying to stop this big threat, something like what they did with Infinity War and Endgame for the MCU. Here you have all your big crossovers, all heroes coming together for the biggest fight of all, and each one of them comes with their own struggles and character arcs that have been built in previous movies. And, in the middle of all this chaos, Superman finally breaks. He not only has to deal with the big bad guy with all the other heroes, but he also needs to worry about people who keep endangering themselves, who keep being irresponsible because they can't understand how heavy this pressure is becoming for him, with this increasingly bigger and bigger "expectation of being a superhero" that's been building from the start. He's visibly in trouble, he's about to be defeated and many of the people who had worshiped him as the greatest superhero of all are now turning on him as well. It's all going south for him very bad. But then (and the specifics here heavily depend on the context of the actual threat that he's facing), he realizes that being a superhero doesn't mean being a babysitter for the whole planet and his powers aren't meant as a substitute for people's own responsibilities and growth. He can't take this burden alone and starts asking those same people that he once helped to help him back. He becomes a leader, and people start following him. Sure, he and the other heroes of the Justice League are the superheroes, so they get to fight the big villains, but I imagine a scene in which he can rally everyone to do their part and they eventually win also because Superman was able to put aside his foolish need to always be present for everyone who's in danger and, by doing this, he empowered everyone else to take the opportunity to be a hero in their own way. That's what I think Superman should be. He's already "Super"-man, he has nothing more to learn when it comes to becoming stronger or punching harder than before. If you try and create a story in which Superman is too "weak" to defeat a bad guy and so he needs to have some kind of "upgrade" by the end, then you've already destroyed the core idea of the character. He doesn't need to become any stronger than he already is. If anything, he needs to learn how to share this strength with others and empower them as well, and this could be one good way to do it.
Why do y’all have so Many concerns about shoes like marvel doesn’t have a literal god on their team, y’all didn’t worry about humanizing him since technically he is not human .
My solution is a cross over DC/Marvel related movie arc.... Thus will snap the present DC hypnosis where the direction of movies are going. This will be an unexpected move , and DC can further expand into the multi verse dynamic.
The New 52 Animated Universe was doing this. Rebooted with Flashpoint and went on into a comprehensive universe and it was awesome. I'm so mad they canceled it. I just wish that was back. For me the New 52 Run was better than the Infinity Saga.
We need a core Justice League to have their own individual movies and then branch out. my core would be : Superman Batman Wonder Woman The Flash Green Lantern Martian Manhunter from there they get their own movies and set up other characters to introduce into the world. You can then lead up to crisis on infinite earth's and then introduce the multiverse. Then you can cast whoever you want as any character you want because all of it will be connected.
they should've taken longer to build up to justice league. it felt rushed like they were trying to ride on Avengers hype or something. they should just have been taking their time and doing their own thing and not worrying about what marvel's doing. really i wouldn't mind seeing more R rated stuff and keep it more dark and adult oriented. those are the ones that are praised and make the most money anyway.
This is a very interesting way to go about it. I was thinking about how to reboot the universe myself and I came up with having a superman movie first but making him more like his animated version. Then a batman movie that also doubles as the flashes origin . A wonder woman/aquaman movie that leads into a justice league movie with cyborg getting a small origin.
Random idea: Yall know Allan Richter? The guy who played Reacher in that recent series or Hawk in the Titans series.... Dont yall think he would've made the perfect Eddie Brock aka Venom? 🙂Just thought about that, he has the build, hair colour, intimidating presence and he's a REALLY good actor
DC should get with John Favreau. He kicked off the MCU with Iron man. Who would have thought it would turn into this super franchise it has become? He also gave the star wars universe some rejuvenation when he dropped the Mandalorian, after the disappointment most of us felt from the last trilogy, where they made Luke Skywalker a mopey little twat instead of a Jedi badass. In my opinion Favreau has a knack for Directing and Producing these types of endeavors successfully in a way that us lifetime fans can really gravitate to. Nobody is perfect but this guy crushed it in two Major Franchises already. Couldn't hurt to see what he can do for DC.
I think they SHOULD make a Blackest Day and Brightest Night story arc. It sounds dumb but hear me out; Maybe alt reality, but “Brightest Night” would entail a last handful of White Lanterns fighting the entire universe of Black Lanterns (sort of a cosmic White Lanterns DCeased? But including aliens gives it an black/dead FLOOD type feel) And Blackest Day would entail the Black Lanterns winning. Maybe once everything is black, some start evolving to something new. Maybe they get “infected” with white life energy somehow.
I agreee but I don’t think Grant should be their first choice for Flash for the movies. And with the Flash show ending soon, who knows if he would want to play the role again.
Lucas Till (looks like comic book Barry Allen... and is a good actor) or Dylan O'Brien (rumored to replace Ezra Miller... and is also a good actor) would be better choices for the movies Let Grant Gustin continue on tv
Johnny is best buds with a notorious pedo and Ezra is a typical leftist groomer. I see the connect. Is Johnny psychotic like Miller? God no but you are the company you keep.
the superman story would be a best shot, because despite superman's great power, there is a limit to the things he can do. It's more of putting superman on a more human level. Like you said superman can do, but he has morals and he was raised right.
Outside of the "DCEU," I would love to have a Robin set of movies. The first Robin movie would be Dick on his last mission with Batman, wrestling with who he is, becoming Nightwing, and having a fight on his own. Jason being taken by the Joker, killed, and coming back as Red Hood. I don't know much about Tim. Then Damien's origin and him grappling with the League of Shadows but fighting alongside Batman. Then, for the final movie, they all come together and fight someone, or a group.
Rebooting on paper sounds good, but it also could be A poor move to make. What if Aquaman 2 and Black Adam make huge amounts of money. You also got Batgirl coming from the pepole who are making Ms. Marvel and you got Blue Beatle. Rebooting could backfire on them.
Batman Begins (2005) and Superman Returns (2006) should’ve started the DCEU! Both movies looked and felt like they belonged in the same universe. Bale and Routh were the perfect age to start a film franchise for the next two decades.
@@MarchallWhite12345 I mean, its rly that easy. Batman who laughs comes. The multiverse starts to break. They fix it all with the 10th metal but it changes everything going forward. It's a reset using Batman who ppl are comfortable with. It seems like a no brainer. Wb NEED to hire ppl who know comics instead of ppl who can read stats imo 🤘
What I would do is: 1. Cancel every upcoming DCEU movie. Like, all of them. Black Adam, The Flash, Shazam 2 (which I was actually a background extra in, but oh well), Aquaman 2, and Batgirl. 2. Use The Batman as a jumping-off point, and prioritize Superman and Green Lantern projects set within that universe. 3. After Batman, Superman, and Green Lantern, reboot Wonder Woman and Aquaman. Maybe make Shazam an HBO Max show. 4. After a lot of heroes have been introduced and fleshed out, THEN do the Justice League. And try to make it feel bigger than the Avengers. 5. Make sure every franchise has a distinct tone and feel. Batman is dark and gritty. Superman is bright and hopeful. Green Lantern is big and epic, like Star Wars. Aquaman and Wonder Woman have strong fantasy elements. Shazam is pretty much just a comedy. That's it. You can have all these characters share a universe, AND have distinctions that separate them from everyone else.
Hilarious, I was reading a random article just now thinking damn this shit is getting rough and boom... Robs like man this shits getting rough here's a vid 😂
Rob, I think you should be more involved with Marvel and DC films. The only thing I disagree with is your cyborg take. I think he would be a great character to explore and make some new things to add for them.
@@PlutonianPrince I was just about to say that. And cyborg is a good character just not really expand on. He is a better character than superman in my opinion.
If I had to fix DC I would start with a reboot. Personally I love Batfleck so I'd bring him back, but if I couldn't bring him back then I'd go with Year 1 Batman. Superman, I'd pull from All-Star Superman, Michael Bendis Superman run to showcase Superman just handling everyday problems in the blink of an eye, and I'd include braniac as the villain which would also introduce Supergirl. Wonder Woman I'd pull from the 1st movie and part of geoff johns and Greg ruccka stories. Cyborg can done correctly could be good, but I'd pull from the Teen Titans show and make him more accepting of how he is instead of writing him like a tormented character. The flash needs to be light hearted fun too. Aquaman I'd pull from rebirth, and I would do john Stewart green lantern.
I think they need to drop the entire DCEU and just focus on standalone character pieces like Joker (2019) and The Batman (2022). Stop trying to compete with Marvel and focus on accentuating the positives of each character and why fans love them.
I just want WW3 to introduce the other Wonder Women, like Nubia, Yara, Donna, Artemis, etc. I want Diana to fight armies, bigger nemesis. A 15 minute opening fight scene. A nonstop 30 minute closing fight scene. Bigger problems to solve, ie, like saving Themyscira or mankind. Fighting against the Amazons or something.
Ppl don't understand that dc is way deeper than marvel on a personal level. DC has to understand that their grown up view of things aren't bad. They can't compete with the fantasy that marvel creates. But they can make the more relatable movies with the stories they make.
To be honest, a Superman film kind of needs to be political. He's the Man of Tomorrow, the symbol of hope for a future that we have to push ourselves towards achieving.
Exactly. Superman has always been a political commentary, particularly about the United States, in the same way Captain America went from Uncle Sam’s golden boy to him refusing to fight, finding out about who he fights for, and finally fighting back when it all goes wrong. Superman has had similar arcs, although his stories aren’t always just US based but also humanity as a whole.
@@streetside2833 who says he has to mention a specific president by name? You can be political without calling out specific politicians ya know. Movies and tv have and will continue to do that forever.
@@quintonjones8854 Bro I don't want them to talk about 2022 politics. I don't want them to even allude to anything. Star Trek literally did an episode where they suggested that the January 6 riots caused the end of the world....that's the type of shit I'm talking about. I hear and see this type of stuff all day on the internet and on TV. I don't wanna hear that shit in movies...I'm tired.
Jason Mamoa put Aquaman back on the map, he was the butt of every DC joke before Mamoa was casted. He revitalized the character and gave him some backbone, some humor, and a fanbase again. I disagree with Rob with recasting, at least for now.
I believe the strongest idea is, the one shot tv series that would be amazing! Plus it’s not what marvel is doing ,it would be nice to see DC expand there deep cast of characters
Wait, why are we trusting a guy who referenced the 90s Fantastic Four movie as if it was supposed to be good or even make money? Referencing it as if he saw it in theaters or found it at blockbuster? It was never released, it was leaked, you needed to find a bootleg copy. It wasn't meant to be released, it was made just so that the studio could retain the movie rights to the characters.
I think they should still continue the reeves batman trilogy, and focus more on some of the lesser known characters and teams. And just reboot the justice league and introduce all the members in one movie, they’ve done it before in less time in multiple animated movies so they can definitely pull it off in live action as long as they get the right writers and directors.
Yeah, nothing remotely like that will happen. Warner has had all the time & money to do it and hasn't yet. No reason to think anything will change except dropping/recasting Mira & Flash. I totally gave up on any sort of connected "universe" way back. IMO, the first WW, The Batman & Joker were good standalone movies. The rest, worth a watch on HBO+ but not worth a trip to the theater.
Dude, rob, seriously. If warner/dc would just hire you on as a consultant or to help with storyboards or treatments they would be raking in the dough. They're actually stupid if they didn't. They could probably get you for relatively cheap, like 3-5 million and you could help with a multi-film narrative and they would be happy.
Bruh, I love your channel. None of this is happening. Literally none of it. The business execs don't care about the story. They care about the character being used and the budget. A Joker musical? Nuff said.
How to introduce Aquaman: he's the dude character in the hypothetical Superman 2 movie. Aquaman rises from the sea like a god and marches to the UN. He's causing mayhem and people think he's a villain. People call Supes. And they fight. After a while, S realizes that A just wants people to stop destroying his domain, so they team together against the UN to reduce Ocean pollution and/or pay damages. There's some kind of other threat that they team up to stop. And it ends with them becoming friends and Lex Luthor profiting off of the entire situation. Maybe the movie ends with him becoming president thanks to the B plot
Superman has to be vs the elite, it absolutely has to. It's the perfect example of who superman is and the plot is relevant to the current dceu landscape.. do you want crazy kill everyone vigilante justice,, or do you want classic superman? Personally I'm tired of realistic take on batman. I want a wtf this crazy batman movie.
The thing about that kind of Batman movie is that it'll have to stand alone. Batman is the only person on the team without any special abilities. So for him to have all of his comic exaggeration in a film would be just like having him perform magic, which won't translate well next to the JL members. I could be wrong tho.
@@thephilosopher7173 yeah, like maybe I don't want insane levels of comic batman. I do want to see batman taking down super villains, Mr freeze, poison ivy, I've been dying to see clayface
WB has themselves in such a problematic situation. They're juggling the dceu, The new Batman franchise, Joaquin phoenix joker movies, and everything else dceu. A hard reboot doesn't feel like it's the correct answer since they have some components working but it's difficult figuring out hot to replace the components that aren't working...
Good video but that's only part of the problem. Honestly, even if comic writers crafted DCEU the results will be the same. The problem is DC comics and their obsession with Batman and Superman. Everything revolves around them and their side kicks or their villains. An article even called DC comics, "Batman comics" because they counted total over 20 comics tied to batman and his family villains (32 batman and batman related comics if memory served me right). Its monotonous and boring. It's thr reason DC comics had lay off half their staff last year. This carries over into movie theaters.... How many times are we going to hear the same batman and the sams villains told over and over again in movie theaters. By the way, that last batman movie was not great. It was OK. A friend of mine was so irritated at the film that he swore he would never go to another batman movie again 🤣😂. It's the same story line being redressed. The only reason it did well is because of its staunch fan base it (franchise) is not really gaining any new fans. DC comics need to develop little known or new characters like Marvel do (ie guardians of the galaxy, even iron man etc now the new wonderman coming up) . Characters not tied to or better yet with little ties to batman or superman or even flash. Peacemaker was a good start look at how phenomenal it did.
WB should reboot completely, or maybe just start off with Robert Pattinson’s Batman, but the new DCEU needs its own Feige, like Bruce Tim and/or Paul Dini to decide the shape the new DCEU takes. It needs to be story-driven not on what a director wants to do. WB also need to stop creating multiple movies of the same character played by different actors, all it does is divide fans and gives them a reason to complain.
They could've easily tied Pattinson's Batman into Joaquin Phoenix's Joker. These 2 movies had a really similar feel between them and as good as the Joker from the cutscene looked, I'm kinda disappointed it didn't happen...
Hire the people who are responsible for the DC animated division to do the DCEU movies.
Problem solved.
100000000% like seriously so crazy
Exactly broo. I used to watch DC animations evry morning lol. They need to bring them back. DC animations kill every animation out there
Snyder did well.. Its the mcu fans who just want to laugh like idiots during every movie that havent grown up yet.. Simple minds..
It’s so disappointing. DC has *so much* potential. Lantern Corps, magic realm, Bat family and League of Shadows, Shazam fam, and I haven’t even gotten started. They have so much to work with, and they have no idea what they’re doing.
Edit: Geoff Johns' Green Lantern run is so freakin' good, holy hell. What an epic story.
We can all blame WB due to them ignoring the community and what the community wants, but instead try to be like and compete with Marvel
i mean they got the shazam family still. but everything else rip
@@SSJSonic05 eventhough the DC:EU was that bad, I think that the direction they were heading is still better (if it's true), than Snyder's original plan for the franchise. His plan was to make the majority of the DC movies Justice League movies. Every now and then, there will be solo movies of the JL members. The solo movies would be like how the MCU, pretty much self contained but was still connected within the same universe.
The MCU was successful because it had the audience wanting more Avengers movies, while not having a crossover fatigue. Some may argue that the same can be said about the opposite, but if you think about it, we're not constantly seeing every member of the Avengers. It's being paced out with every solo movie. Constantly having a global threat where it requires all JL members coming together to stop it will make the threat in the solo films as if it's not really a big deal.
Trying to put all that onto the big screen doesn't sound like the easiest thing to. A Green Lantern or Batman series alone could be it's own saga. WB would have to release 4 or 5 DC movies each year to touch on everything.
@@SSJSonic05 Exactly! Imagine having a league of legendary writers who understand their audience, and ignoring them to get your own team of ppl who don't fully care and making them compete with the MCU (that had all of that in the beginning).
Reboot everything and don’t entrust the entire fate of the franchise to one single director 👍🏽
@@NiccFurious Kevin Feige is a once in a generation genius. I don't know his loyalties but I'll be glad if he can work with WB maybe as a consultant at least.
I'd be game if Gunn became the head of the franchise
agreed kind of. Drop Flash, wonder woman and aquaman. Joker 2 and Batman 2 stand alone so you can keep those, and maybe Peacemaker if you stay away from visually referencing the JL.
@@gban2647 it would still be trash if he consulted, because the ultimate decision lies with conservative braindead right winger's, give it to Feige to orchestrate and deliver, or suffer the same fate.
Oh you mean like you MCU losers that love getting bait and switched by Kevin Feige then beg for more crumbs in post credit scenes instead of fleshing out the obvious at least Zack Snyder knew what the people wanted and kept it simple still wa
They should put Cyborg on Teen Titans. I felt he always thrived there.
Exactly
Naaaah before he joined the titans he was a Justice League member. He should stick there for awhile until they introduce the young heroes
@@ox_trueprotagonistchrisred9085 It was the other way around actually. He wasn't a founding member until the new 52 in 2011.
@@triviabooknerd5349 man I’m so mad at how DC turned into a mess. If only Man of a steel had like a end credit scene showing Bruce Wayne in the Batcave watching Metropolis news on what happened there. Then have a solo Batman film next in line AND THEN a Batman vs Superman with no WonderWoman, keep the tease cameos of Wonder Woman, The Flash, Cyborg, and Aquaman and instead of Doomsday being the main villian, it should of been just Lex Luther. The end credits of Batman vs Superman would be of Lex getting out of jail to form the Legion of Doom. WonderWoman would be next then Aquaman, The Flash and Cyborg THEN Justice League. After League, it would be Shazam. Shiiit WB are truly morons they wanted to do their own “thing” smfh
I agree with everything here, except the big bad of the universe being Darkseid. I think there are other villians that can fill that same role, that need more attention. Someone like trigon, who at least some people know about from the teen titans show, or possibly even the Antimonitor. I think that Darkseid is far to close to Thanos, and the average audience would just chalk him up to being another thanos. For sake of diversity, I'd even say Brainiac would make a good Main Villian, yeah you'd have to change him a little but atrocitus and a whole list of other villians need their time in the light that are justice league level threats.
Great point on Darkseid, although I would love to see him, you're right that it would feel like another Thanos. But considering that they could use Darkseid in a single film and build up to Brainiac.
I think Braniac could be cool, but they'd probably have to give him more motivation for doing what he does
Oh. Trigon is 100 ready for his live action self
Please don't compare Thanos to Darkseid it's like comparing a baby to a god
@@atharva7462 Ya, not really. There both great characters.
The problem with superman is that they focus on the kryptonian aspect more than the kansas aspect. He's the only major character not from a city
No one cares about Kansas farms lol
I think the idea that wholesome people come from rural America is a fantasy that no one can buy these days.
@@jasonkelly8771 daaaamn! I mean you ain't lying!
@@jasonkelly8771 I mean that's the point. The movies are being made by people that don't believe in the wholesome rural culture bc they're urbanites. I assure you. It's real
@@manifesteddestiny. No, it isn't real. I come from rural red state America. The people there are not good people, whatsoever.
They think they're good people because they're all as terrible as the next person. I know the truth is they're even worse than the worst stereotypes.
If Superman was raised in white rural Kansas, he'd be like Stormfront.
“I’d do it like Zack Schneider did but not in the crappy way he did” lmfaoo Rob is the best I swear
syder's justice league was good, so was the extended superman v batman. sounds like the leadership over at WB sucks. prob bunch of woketards
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@@chimpo961 Actually it’s Zack Shneyedar.
I was deployed in early 2018 when you did a version of this on Comics Explained. It's interesting to hear how your thoughts have evolved but also stayed the same since then. Can't believe that's been four years. I have probably been listening nearly everyday for at least six years. Learned a lot and always look forward to the next videos. Thank you for your channels, Rob!
Thank you for your service sir.
@@locomadman Thank you, it's truly a privilege.
They need to just make the flashpoint paradox reset everything. Recast everyone and put one person in charge to oversee it. Come up with a vision. Don’t plan the films one at a time, plan out your first seven or eight films. Play the long game. Or, they can just do individual movies and stop trying to connect everything. Those are the only two options I see.
Recasting everyone will be horrible
@@nahinkhondoker9147 It will, but they are kind of in a bad position right now. The Batman thing is a mess because it’s been a revolving door. They could keep Superman, Aquaman, and wonder woman and reboot around them, but they might as well go younger and just start over at this point. But that’s if they are going to try and keep a connected universe.
That what Zack was doing planning everything but then WB got cold feet and wanted to go in a different direction after BVS
@@iamgodspeed6443 There’s rumors that Warner Bros. might try to pick that back up. I don’t know if it’s too late for that or not though
@@chrisjohns4991 well, I hope so as Zack’s original plan had a cyborg film and a new gods/old gods film. Also, the Flash movie was a flashpoint paradox film and it was gonna have reverse flash basically an adaptation of the comic and it would have made a new universe so WB would make a brand new batch of movies in a new universe
Hyperion should be played by Alan Ritchson (The actor who played Jack Reacher in the new Reacher series). Honestly, he would be a good Aquaman too. I'm pretty sure he played AC in Smallville.
Yes, he was Arthur Curry in Smallville. He was decent in that role. Honestly, I think Jason Momoa was a better Aquaman
@@ilsukdyang8134 I don't disagree, I liked Jason Momoa as Aquaman. I like him in general, he's a pretty cool dude. Haha.
Alan Ritchson is Hawk in Titans
@@adhirg
Huh, he's in more stuff than I thought
@@FrankLewis040
Indeed he is
I agree with most of this, but I think they should leave the multiversal stuff completely out. And the fact that you had a plan for Aquaman, Cyborg and Green Lantern but not Flash is kinda weird, he's not a difficult character. But I say 100% leave Gustin out, it needs to all be separate from everything. And I think bringing in characters like Mongul for Superman would be better. Maybe doin Court of Owls second for Batman or even 3rd. Maybe start off with Long Halloween to show off the Rogues Gallery, lead into Red Hood and 3rd could be the Owls
I agree with your Batman idea -
1st Film = Long Halloween inspired
2nd Film = All Out Red Hood!
3rd Film = Beware the Court of Owls
Also, some food for thought, I would LOVE to see one of the Batman films be an adaptation of the Heart of Ice Story {MR. FREEZE}
@@the_Collectors_Domain That could definitely work, I think it's been a bit too long since Mr.Freeze had been in the big screen👍🏾
I say bring Gustin 100% in and end the show.🤷🏾♂️
@@AlexMercerConsumptio seems like a good idea 👍… but wouldn’t it break the continuity of the show and really confused the general audience, that this new flash is the same flash from the show?
@@the_Collectors_Domain if anything it would make more sense.🤔 What they could do is have the show lead it’s way up to introducing Grant into the DC Cinematic Universe. Essentially give him permanent amnesia or something of the sorts. Alternatively they could simply.. roll over a section of the tv show’s story into the cinematic universe. I wouldn’t even mind keeping the same reverse flash.
Since Marvel brought in comic book writers, the DCEU could bring in comic book enthusiast such as yourself to help with the script.
Aquaman felt like 4 movies in one. Everything from Indiana Jones straight thru fast and furious.
Ezra Miller threw away an opportunity of a lifetime and he’ll come to regret it in the future.
YES and I loved the small bits we got of his Flash just for him to mess it all up
And I love that he did that. I never liked him as Flash
No judgement to anyone's opinion but personally I thought he was terrible as the flash not that he's a bad actor but he's just not a good fit plus he just creeps me out for some reason
I see the first story being how you open the movie, the first 15 minutes, then you get an opening credits or splash and then you go into the court of owls story. It would make everyone love that version of batman and get him right away. Dude this idea of yours is great.
I think DCU is doomed. One of the problems of the DCU is the Snyder stuff, is too divisive, half the fanbase hate it, half love it. No matter what you do, a complete reboot or continue with the story Snyder set up, it always will alienate half of the fan base.
Also I feel like, the snyder stuff already burn some iconic moments of the comics too early. Mainly death of superman.
For the average viewer, Darkseid is to similar to Thanos, even more in the way the DCEU have traeted it. So even if i know that Darkseid was created before thanos, Darkseid in movies felt like they're just trying to imitate what marvel did. Anti monitor wouldn't be that much different, a cosmic level threat that requires all the heroes to get together to fight against. If anything, anti-monitor is less interesting for me.
Other than Snyder stuff, most DC movies struggle to find its identity, some movies is like they are not decided whether or not they want to continue with the DCEU or they want to be it's own stuff. Even if they somehow get to put all their s**t together at WB, I think it's too late because i think we already reached an exhaustation point around the superhero genre. I have many friends that no longer goes to watch the new superhero movie, even tho they are fans of the comics.
I would rather prefer they made some good stand-alone movies or leave the genre rest for a while, than watching other attempt to take the DCEU off the ground.
You're right, standalone movies are better. But I love Snyder stuff
I didn't read your comment it's too long
@@vigneshbr5531 ok, I read your, it's short enough
I think you’re right
Since Reeves' Batman came to realize that vengeance only makes problems worse, the Court of Owls is a great shadow to develop the Bruce Wayne persona in the next film.
I think it's too late for DC. At least in the mean time. They need a group of top tier writers, including non other than comic greats Grant Morrison, Frank Miller, Niel Gaiman and a few great film writers and a very good executive producer.
It needs to be thought out, planned to be very elemental yet grounded. And it should take a few years to get together.
They should abandon the flash movie project for the time being, including any other projects, and focus attentions on the animated side while they restructure the live action cinema.
I like your ideas and you definitely laid out some good ground work. I particularly like the One-Shot series idea. It reminds me of the What If show Marvel is doing. DC's line of up of more adult content such as Swamp Thing, The Sandman, etc, are definitely a good direction DC should go. The Spectre would be a good host to it, much like The Watcher is to What If.
If there's one character I enjoy is John Constantine.
Love John Constantine. Imagine if they made JL Apocalypse War into DCEU?
Grant Morrison said he had ideas for the flash movie but it didn’t fit wb standards
Honestly i want them to continue the Darkseid Storyline…WB won’t even let Cavill do his Superman movies smh
What do you think DC should do then? We all love stories who're tied together like Marvel has done with the Avengers. I know Thanos has been done but it can done with Darksiede initially just to get audiences in. Does DC have good enough villains?
I think if done right, a young Bruce Wayne could make for a good introduction to a Universe reboot. Young villain cameos for some foreshadowing, now that could be amazing.
I honestly enjoy what they have done with Batman and The Joker, and would love to see more solo stories, since those projects usually have a higher quality and elevate mostly everyone that is involved.
The problem with that is that they would be closing the doors to big events that need a lot of background to work for a larger audience.
Joker 2 being a musical makes me want to cry though
Matt Reeves says he was maybe interested in adding a supernatural element like Superman, but that would be his limit. But, maybe it's like Iron Man, which feels really grounded, yet Marvel started to build on more supernatural stuff and it didn't feel too off. I know I'm being hopeful but if DC is smart they could build the universe out of this version of Batman.
@@TheDillon8825 adding Superman into such a grounded universe like The Batman wouldn’t really work. There wouldn’t be much for him to do and no real opposition.
@@allencarnes2477 Nah it would work you just need to give it time. The MCU didn't start off with multiverses and a laundry list of characters it was just one guy and a tease for future stuff. It was literally just an idea at some point.
@@allencarnes2477 Iron Man could have very well just been a one and done trilogy that didn't lead to anything but the first movie was so successful that they decided to launch spin offs.
To me, Green Lantern should be the GOTG of the film universe, and aqua man and Atlantis can be handled like black panther and Wakanda.
I'm a big Green Lantern fan but you'd have to do flash as well. Don't forget the flash he's very important to the DCU
This dude is a clown
I’m a huge green lantern fan I’m sad they just crapped out a cut up short ass movie it’s disrespectful to the lantern lore
we just need a different flash, one that's not a groomer
I think a buddy cop movie with flash and green lantern would work perfectly for their introduction ngl.
Justice League also had the blue big head alien kinda guy in animations,who was he??
You mailed in that green lantern section Rob. 😂 Felt like an unfinished school assignment.
Regardless, the whole video was great man, wish they'd hire you.
It would honestly be cool iff they did this, recast everyone except Henry because he's literally perfect superman and nobody would be mad. Just say he's in a alternate universe off the bat and your golden.
It all starts with Superman not the emo bat! But, this is a great idea. Didn't know Marvel had comic writers so heavily involved.
My idea for how to do a DCEU reboot would be:
WB should just change the title of the Flash movie to just Flashpoint then begin phase 1 of this new DCEU:
Superman For a Better Tommorrow: Taking inspiration from Geoff Johns "Superman Secret Origins" it would focus on Clark arrival at Metropolis, as he start working on the Daily Planet while, as Superman, he becomes the city's hero and deals with the pressure that comes with the role. The villains would be Parasite and Lex Luthor.
Batman Duo - It would be a sequel to Reeves The Batman, showing Bruce adopting Dick Grayson and helping him capture the criminals who killed his parents. The villains would be Mr Freeze Ventriloquist & Scarface.
Flash The Fastest Man Alive - It would showcase Barry Allen's origin, he developing his relationship with Iris and saving Central City from Gorila Grodd.
Zatanna - It would be a mix of Harry Potter with Indiana Jones Last Crusade, with the plot having Zatanna going on quest to find her father, who she belives was kidnap because he was searching for three mystical artifacts (the wheel, the jar and the bell). The main villain would be Felix Faustus.
Superman & Batman World's Finest - It would be the first DCEU crossover, showing Superman and Batman's first meeting, as the Man of Steel comes to Gotham and teams up with the dynamic duo to investigate Lex Luthor, who came to Gotham in order to sell weapons to Black Mask and his gang.
Wonder Woman Spirit of Truth - It would be a reboot showing Diana arriving at Man's World after one of her sisters receives a vision from the gods of a great calamity that is to befall the Earth. At first Diana have very feminist views on the world and most people don''t trust her, but, with the help of agent Steve Trevor and archelogist Julia Kapatelis, Diana is able to see the good of Man's World and earns the trust of the government after saving civilians from Giganta (who gain her powers from Ares, with him and Diana having a Spider Man and Tombstone type of dynamic).
Green Lantern In Brightest Day - It would showcase the origin of Hal Jordan, as he joins the GL corps and becomes partner of Sinestro, who slowly develops a respect for the rookie, much like the rest of the GL corp members as Hal helps them defeat Krona, the renegade guardian, and his army of Manhunters. The post credit scene would introduce John Stewart as lantern responsible for protecting Earth while Hal is out in space.
Justice League Secret Origin - It would have Martian Manhunter reuniting the heroes (Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Barry Allen, John Stewart and Zatanna) to help him free his people from White Martians, who are planning to steal Earth's energy to save their planet and turn it into a paradise.
The final scene would have a Starro cameo, with the league showing up to stop them, revealing themselves as team for the first time to the public, with no one knowing about the heroes adventure in Mars, That's why the title is SECRET ORIGIN.
And of course, the post credit scene would set up Darkseid to be the big bad in the Justice League trilogy.
Also, LOVE the idea of all the opening credits of the DC reboot movies being an origin story montage. Nearly every main JL characters origin story can easily be covered in a well-shot 3 minute opening credit sequence.
from what I remember after the justice league the WB sent a board member to the studio and to the comicbook studio to monitor everything and the directors, writers, and artists hated being under their thumbs.
Hire Paul dini to be the new Kevin feige. Step number two soft reboot and hire another actor to play Flash you're going to have to have Ezra Miller be a variant and cut some of his things out. The new Flash actor will be the main Flash and hopefully Patterson would be there as Batman. You just tell the director hey man from the Batman you have nothing to do with our Justice League movies
If I was magically in charge and rebooting everything to make a cinematic universe it would be something along the lines of:
Phase 1:
Batman: this batman would focus more on the detective side of things, we'd skip the origin, the joker would be around but not the main focus, maybe even open with batman capturing the joker (cause batman's role in the justice league will be the leader and the one who has years of experience), the main villain will be the riddler, think the batman but with batman actually beating the riddler at their own game by solving the riddles and doing detective work. Also in the process of solving this mystery batman uncovers something that might lead to a bigger conspiracy. Also in this film and other films brace Wayne scenes will also show them using their wealth to help the poor (that way you don't have the normal problem of rich guy beating up poor people rather than not helping them not be people).
Superman: I would play on the immigrant aspect of Superman, for that I'd cast a non white actor, have people unsure about were to trust them and also have Superman question if he should save the humans, as everytime he does there's always another problem and media (maybe run by lex Luther) keep making him out to be the bad guy, with Superman finding his reason to save people the hope that they can get better based off of people like his adoptive parents and Lois and Jimmy, etc. I don't think that the villains are that important to the plot.
Green lantern: space cop movie, hal Jordan either starts out already a green lantern or it gets covered very quickly, this will basically be the guardians of the galaxy of the cinematic universe, hal learns that he's mentor sinestro has made a yellow lantern ring (insert joke in the script about the obvious villain name and how did no one see it coming).
Flash: a young flash who is new to his powers has to fight captain cold and his team of villains, think a more light hearted goofy tone.
Wonder woman: basically the first film with two big changes, ares doesn't show up in the end (cause that was stupid) and the love interest doesn't die (yet).
Justice league: I'm thinking the main villain could be zod, first act is all the different characters piecing together that the invasion is coming (batman finding clues, green lantern being sent to investigate activites near earth, Barry has star labs researching something that detacts the invasion, etc), also we meet modern day wonder woman and she's retired and given up on humanity but is convinced to join the fight by the other heroes.
Phase 2:
Batman 2: court of owls, batman has been looking more into the bigger mystery and eventually uncovers the court of owls and has to team up with the joker, who the owls captured, to uncover and stop their conspiracy.
Superman 2: due to zod's invasion lex Luther has continued to make the public distrust Superman but after putting his life in danger taking a kyptonite blast from metallo to protection a family live on camera (maybe ironically lex's news camera, also lex is behind the attack in the first place) Superman proves himself to the public.
Green lantern 2: other lantern corps are introduced in this story, with the main villains being the red lanterns.
Flash 2: reverse flash is the main villain
Wonder woman 2: set in the cold War her and her husband have been working with the government all through WW2 and onwards saving the world several times but on this mission to stop nuclear war Wonder woman is betrayed and her husband dies, this leaves her disillusioned with the human race as people would actually rather end the world over differences than find peace.
Aquaman: something like the first film, I'm not really knowledgeable about that character.
Martian man hunter: again nit super knowledgeable but they'd be cool to have.
Nightwing: introduce the character, maybe hint at their existence in the other two batman films. Basically him trying to find his own identity away from batman. Don't know much about their own rogues gallery so not sure who the villain would be. Also maybe use it to introduced some other teen titans, maybe beast boy and cyborg (who could be being experimented on).
Justice league 2: doomsday: basically the death of Superman story, all the characters introduced so far fight doomsday, lose and Superman defeats them but seemingly dies in the process but unlike in BvS we've spent time with this Superman so actually care when they die.
Phase 3:
Supergirl: originally sent out with Clark to protect him she got sent off course and finds herself on earth only to find that the child she was supposed to protect has grown up and died saving the world, she now has to find her own purpose in life and figure out where she fits in with her new world.
Batman 3: the joker working with bane sets all of batman's rogues gallery loose on Gotham. Ends with the tired batman fighting bane completely unprepared and being broken and crippled.
Green lantern 3: war between the various lantern corps errupts and hal learns of the blackest night prophecy.
Teen titans: with Superman gone and the events of nightwings previous film, dick grayson forms the titans with starfire and raven joining the team
Zatana: not knowledgeable about the mystical side of DC but would be cool to introduced sone of those characters, you could have Constantine and doctor fate involved in the film, plus maybe raven.
Flash 3: the flash accidentally travels to another earth and meets a different flash
Wonder woman 3: now set in the present day Wonder woman now with her faith in humanity restored by the justice league has her own solo adventure.
Justice league 3: blackest night: everyone verses black lantern zombies, everyone ends up with different lantern rings and the discovery of the white lantern rings allows for Superman to return, this also leads to batman being healed. Also at the end Supergirl secretly still has a red lantern ring.
Phase 4:
Superman 3: Superman finally has his confrontation with lex Luther who is now running for president. Also yes lex gets to wear his armoured suit.
Flashpoint: we all know this story. This also could be a way to recast any actors who want to leave at this point.
Batman 4: the killing joke, I probably won't have batman kill the joker himself but this will end with the joker dying (maybe have harley snap and kill him) and batman contemplating retirement.
Green lantern 4: this will cover red lantern Supergirl.
Batman beyond: it would be cool to see it in live action.
Justice league 4: darkseid or crisis, depends how well things are going, as crisis would be the end story.
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Dude, Jason Mamoa and Chris Hemsworth as the buddy cop duo is something we absolutely need.
You hit the nail on the head with your assumption: that the DCEU came out of a board room instead of creative writers.
Warner does not look at this as "let's make a great cinematic universe like Marvel, if it's great it will reign in billions", they look at this as "Marvel has an MCU getting billions, we have superheroes too, so let's make a few movies to make billions too".
My fear for a Superman movie that rob is explaining here, is that it would be so incredibly boring
With Ezra going crazy it's definitely a sign that it's time for Wally West to hit the silver screen. 100%
Give people the John Stewart Green Lantern that they grew up watching in cartoons. Start there, all those people are young 20’s,30’s now? the perfect age for nostalgia to kick in.
I actually had a great discussion with my friends way before Marvel even hit phase 2 of their universe about some ideas DC/WB could take and run with very successfully, and I wanted to share one piece of that here- I think Blackest Night is actually a fantastic end goal to aim for a phase 3 position. It can offer so much to the screen that Marvel hasn't begun to touch on - permanent character deaths that can actually be meaningful to stories, which will get the extra weight of their reappearance bc we'll KNOW these characters, we'll be as invested as our heroes. The blip on marvels side of things created this really interesting, world shaping event that laid the foundation for the next generation of heroes, Blackest Night offers a similar yet marketably different sort of event, that also allows for exploration into the impact on the larger world or universe. I don't like going to Crisis stories bc there's simply too much going on, too many characters, too much comic nonsense to follow around. At best, we'll get something close to a Dr Strange 2 effect where we get exposed to lots of cool things and ideas but never get deep into them. I could honestly make a video explaining my thoughts on all this too bc I really feel comic fans and new fans alike would enjoy what my friends and I were suggesting, as long as there's unifying direction for the films over all then individual directors can be allowed to do character driven stories like Joker or The Batman, and I believe it would pay off dividends
HELL with that bad Reed Richards hand wave out of the limousine. Can you remember that scene where doctor Doom's glove extended a blade out of each of the fingers in his gauntlet? Like like his hand was four stilettos and a thumb! Basically they were supposed to be crawl like weapons functionally, but even that was messed up because the blades were all Lateral with his hand. Like each finger's blade edge touched the other's blade edge except for the outside of the index and pinky fingers.
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Funnily enough I personally find Superman and Batman to be two of the least compelling characters in the DC universe most of the time, but only because these two characters are just always WINNING at everything. Those stories where they show their emotions and where they struggle, that's what I want. Both of these characters have the capacity for great empathy and compassion. If they can show us these characters like that, then I think they'd have a solid foundation to build their own universe on. But if they can't make Batman and Superman compelling, then I don't think anything else they do afterwards will matter.
The DCEU was screwed the moment the Avengers made a billion $$$ in the box office. Before that, WB didn't even want to make a Justice League movie.
In my opinion at this point WB doesn't need a cohesive universe. They can just do individual character movies. Those seem to be where they do there best. As cool as it is to see characters team up, it's not necessary. They're in the business of making money. So they should stick what works for them.
Id like to see Oa sign a deal with the Justice League allowing collaborations with their lanterns of that sector (hal, john, guy, kyle, etc)
DC needs to hire Rob to officially plan their movie rollout for the next 10 years. Just let this man plan your first phase of movies. They could not do any worse.
He’s only been reading DC comics for over a decade. I think he’s somebody to have in DC to show the dumbasses some comic panals but other than that, respectfully no.
Lol, no. I’m sorry but the issue is when you hear any single person laying out a plan like this is that there’s nobody there to challenge their logic.
Anyone can do an elevator pitch, but you need someone to really think about the greater whole.
Live action comic movies won't be a thing in the next 10 years.
@@SuperShanko Greater whole? I’m interested in what you mean by that? Of course the details need to be considered but Warner bros doesn’t even have an elevator pitch.
The court of owls was even a surprise to Batman. It also re-created Gotham as an actual character.
DCEU needs a soft reboot. But I have some confidence of Blue Beetle, Black Adam and Shazam
Your editor with the “cinemasins” plug needs a bonus 😂😂😂
Simply Rebrand And Reboot the DCEU And give ownership to a company who actually knows what they’re doing and what actors get to be in the DCEU
Reboot the DCEU. Use the Justice league animated series as a blue print. These could be the movie timeline.
Phase one
1. Superman: last son of krypton
2. BATMAN: zero year
3. Wonder woman: Amazon Princess
4: The flash: fastest man alive
5: Green lantern: brightest day
6. Justice league: World's finest
Phase two
1. The Atom
2. Shazam: Gods and Monster's
3. Teen Titans
4. Superman: war world
5. Batman: Ascension
6. Wonder woman: paradise lost
7. The flash: gorilla warfare
8. Green lantern: Rage of the red lanterns
9. Justice league: Legion
And so on with the other phases..
The only concern I'd have is just how difficult it is to humanize a character like Superman, as the sacrificed career of Brandon Routh can probably attest. That being said, I did like the approach that Warner Bros. had with introducing characters with the Justice League movie, and I think that if it worked for the general opinion of Aquaman or Flash, then that could be a way in for a Green Lantern as well.
Alternatively, I wonder if starting with a Justice League movie that already shows an already-formed league and ends with the heroes going their separate ways would work as well. It would show the landscape, who the heroes are, how they function, allow room for a villain that isn't universe-ending, and that sendoff could serve as a lead-in toward individual story arcs.
Marvel could make a Superhero trilogy easy.
There's so many stories that humanise superman but they refuse to put them in movies or have pretty mid directors who rather tell stories of gods
I think a smaller superman story could work pretty well, have a daily planet movie or something. And then superman himself is more showing off during justice league while usually he is busy doing stories on people or trying to change minds while writing stories about people
About humanizing Superman, here's my pitch in the context of a larger interconnected DC universe. It's a character arc that is meant to be built up over multiple movies. It's not perfect and it needs A LOT of work to smooth the edges, but it's just an example that came to mind while watching the video. Take it as a proof of concept, and sorry in advance for the long post.
Start with a couple of more "traditional" movies in which you just see Superman being Superman, saving people and beating bad guys with his unbelievable powers. These should be your typical superhero movies, with lots of action and fireworks, to captivate the audience. Then, you go to a smaller, more character-based movie in which Superman stars to learn how his actions are affecting the people of Earth, and specifically that humans are starting to rely on him to save them. Have a movie showing people who start acting carelessly and endangering themselves without thinking about the consequences of their actions, because they know that Superman will come and save them. Have him running around to save a bunch of people from dangers that they could have easily avoided if they had just put some thought before acting. And by the end of it Superman starts questioning whether his actions are actually helping people to grow and become the better version of themselves or if they're just becoming spoiled and weak. This concludes Act I.
At this point, and here you could have a connection to a larger DC universe, you start introducing a new mysterious threat. It could be anything, as long as it's something on the Justice League scale, big enough that Superman can't deal with it alone. This is the part with the most freedom when it comes to the plot, you could do anything you want, really. He meets the other heroes, interacts with them, maybe you could have some conflicts between them too (I truly want to see a GOOD Batman v. Superman movie...), have them fight some lesser bad guys, you name it. But at the same time keep building the core conflict within Superman, with people becoming more and more carefree and reckless, some even start worshiping him and call him to help with petty things like saving cats from tall trees or whatever, all because he keeps true to his morals and keeps helping them no matter what, sometimes even at the expense of himself and other benefits or greater good that he might want to achieve, and you show him becoming increasingly fatigued by all this. More often than not, this truly becomes an obstacle for him, actively getting in the way of his work as a superhero and tiring him both physically and emotionally. But eventually this big threat is gonna come, so the team is assembled and here Act II ends.
And finally, for Act III, you have the big finale: a couple of movies or even a trilogy of films just focused on all the heroes trying to stop this big threat, something like what they did with Infinity War and Endgame for the MCU. Here you have all your big crossovers, all heroes coming together for the biggest fight of all, and each one of them comes with their own struggles and character arcs that have been built in previous movies. And, in the middle of all this chaos, Superman finally breaks. He not only has to deal with the big bad guy with all the other heroes, but he also needs to worry about people who keep endangering themselves, who keep being irresponsible because they can't understand how heavy this pressure is becoming for him, with this increasingly bigger and bigger "expectation of being a superhero" that's been building from the start. He's visibly in trouble, he's about to be defeated and many of the people who had worshiped him as the greatest superhero of all are now turning on him as well. It's all going south for him very bad. But then (and the specifics here heavily depend on the context of the actual threat that he's facing), he realizes that being a superhero doesn't mean being a babysitter for the whole planet and his powers aren't meant as a substitute for people's own responsibilities and growth. He can't take this burden alone and starts asking those same people that he once helped to help him back. He becomes a leader, and people start following him. Sure, he and the other heroes of the Justice League are the superheroes, so they get to fight the big villains, but I imagine a scene in which he can rally everyone to do their part and they eventually win also because Superman was able to put aside his foolish need to always be present for everyone who's in danger and, by doing this, he empowered everyone else to take the opportunity to be a hero in their own way.
That's what I think Superman should be. He's already "Super"-man, he has nothing more to learn when it comes to becoming stronger or punching harder than before. If you try and create a story in which Superman is too "weak" to defeat a bad guy and so he needs to have some kind of "upgrade" by the end, then you've already destroyed the core idea of the character. He doesn't need to become any stronger than he already is. If anything, he needs to learn how to share this strength with others and empower them as well, and this could be one good way to do it.
Why do y’all have so
Many concerns about shoes like marvel doesn’t have a literal god on their team, y’all didn’t worry about humanizing him since technically he is not human .
My solution is a cross over DC/Marvel related movie arc.... Thus will snap the present DC hypnosis where the direction of movies are going. This will be an unexpected move , and DC can further expand into the multi verse dynamic.
The New 52 Animated Universe was doing this. Rebooted with Flashpoint and went on into a comprehensive universe and it was awesome. I'm so mad they canceled it. I just wish that was back. For me the New 52 Run was better than the Infinity Saga.
We need a core Justice League to have their own individual movies and then branch out. my core would be :
Superman
Batman
Wonder Woman
The Flash
Green Lantern
Martian Manhunter
from there they get their own movies and set up other characters to introduce into the world. You can then lead up to crisis on infinite earth's and then introduce the multiverse. Then you can cast whoever you want as any character you want because all of it will be connected.
they should've taken longer to build up to justice league. it felt rushed like they were trying to ride on Avengers hype or something. they should just have been taking their time and doing their own thing and not worrying about what marvel's doing.
really i wouldn't mind seeing more R rated stuff and keep it more dark and adult oriented. those are the ones that are praised and make the most money anyway.
This is a very interesting way to go about it. I was thinking about how to reboot the universe myself and I came up with having a superman movie first but making him more like his animated version. Then a batman movie that also doubles as the flashes origin . A wonder woman/aquaman movie that leads into a justice league movie with cyborg getting a small origin.
Random idea: Yall know Allan Richter? The guy who played Reacher in that recent series or Hawk in the Titans series.... Dont yall think he would've made the perfect Eddie Brock aka Venom? 🙂Just thought about that, he has the build, hair colour, intimidating presence and he's a REALLY good actor
🤔 You know……I can see it. I feel like he could be a great Eddie Brock.
@@jajagaming3602 Thanks :-D i think so too o7
For the Superman Movie I think a combination of Birthright and Action Comics 775 would work best. 775 is probably the greatest modern Superman story.
I LOVED the "Birthright" story regarding the Man Of Steel. DCEU really needs to bring on their comic book writers because they need the help.
DC should get with John Favreau. He kicked off the MCU with Iron man. Who would have thought it would turn into this super franchise it has become? He also gave the star wars universe some rejuvenation when he dropped the Mandalorian, after the disappointment most of us felt from the last trilogy, where they made Luke Skywalker a mopey little twat instead of a Jedi badass. In my opinion Favreau has a knack for Directing and Producing these types of endeavors successfully in a way that us lifetime fans can really gravitate to. Nobody is perfect but this guy crushed it in two Major Franchises already. Couldn't hurt to see what he can do for DC.
I think they SHOULD make a Blackest Day and Brightest Night story arc. It sounds dumb but hear me out;
Maybe alt reality, but “Brightest Night” would entail a last handful of White Lanterns fighting the entire universe of Black Lanterns (sort of a cosmic White Lanterns DCeased? But including aliens gives it an black/dead FLOOD type feel)
And Blackest Day would entail the Black Lanterns winning. Maybe once everything is black, some start evolving to something new. Maybe they get “infected” with white life energy somehow.
If they can replace Ezra miller with Grant Gustin, and get director's with an actual passion for the DCEU then hopefully most issues would be solved
I agreee but I don’t think Grant should be their first choice for Flash for the movies. And with the Flash show ending soon, who knows if he would want to play the role again.
Lucas Till (looks like comic book Barry Allen... and is a good actor) or Dylan O'Brien (rumored to replace Ezra Miller... and is also a good actor) would be better choices for the movies
Let Grant Gustin continue on tv
I've been saying that they should do Court of Owls since I read it in like 2015.
the “erza miller goes the way of johnny depp” headline is actually crazy😭
Johnny is best buds with a notorious pedo and Ezra is a typical leftist groomer. I see the connect. Is Johnny psychotic like Miller? God no but you are the company you keep.
I'm still amazed that WB hasn't just dropped Ezra. Hell at this point, they should help authorities apprehend him imo.
the superman story would be a best shot, because despite superman's great power, there is a limit to the things he can do. It's more of putting superman on a more human level. Like you said superman can do, but he has morals and he was raised right.
Outside of the "DCEU," I would love to have a Robin set of movies. The first Robin movie would be Dick on his last mission with Batman, wrestling with who he is, becoming Nightwing, and having a fight on his own. Jason being taken by the Joker, killed, and coming back as Red Hood. I don't know much about Tim. Then Damien's origin and him grappling with the League of Shadows but fighting alongside Batman. Then, for the final movie, they all come together and fight someone, or a group.
Rebooting on paper sounds good, but it also could be A poor move to make. What if Aquaman 2 and Black Adam make huge amounts of money. You also got Batgirl coming from the pepole who are making Ms. Marvel and you got Blue Beatle. Rebooting could backfire on them.
How do we get Batgirl before a Robin/Nightwing movie? 🙄
Batman Begins (2005) and Superman Returns (2006) should’ve started the DCEU! Both movies looked and felt like they belonged in the same universe. Bale and Routh were the perfect age to start a film franchise for the next two decades.
EASY fix for the dceu. Do dark nights:metal. Done 👍
That's what I was thinking
@@MarchallWhite12345 I mean, its rly that easy. Batman who laughs comes. The multiverse starts to break. They fix it all with the 10th metal but it changes everything going forward. It's a reset using Batman who ppl are comfortable with. It seems like a no brainer. Wb NEED to hire ppl who know comics instead of ppl who can read stats imo 🤘
What I would do is:
1. Cancel every upcoming DCEU movie. Like, all of them. Black Adam, The Flash, Shazam 2 (which I was actually a background extra in, but oh well), Aquaman 2, and Batgirl.
2. Use The Batman as a jumping-off point, and prioritize Superman and Green Lantern projects set within that universe.
3. After Batman, Superman, and Green Lantern, reboot Wonder Woman and Aquaman. Maybe make Shazam an HBO Max show.
4. After a lot of heroes have been introduced and fleshed out, THEN do the Justice League. And try to make it feel bigger than the Avengers.
5. Make sure every franchise has a distinct tone and feel. Batman is dark and gritty. Superman is bright and hopeful. Green Lantern is big and epic, like Star Wars. Aquaman and Wonder Woman have strong fantasy elements. Shazam is pretty much just a comedy. That's it. You can have all these characters share a universe, AND have distinctions that separate them from everyone else.
Hilarious, I was reading a random article just now thinking damn this shit is getting rough and boom... Robs like man this shits getting rough here's a vid 😂
I'd love to see that cross over with watchmen done some justice. Heros popping up dead. The comedians blood stained button it would be awesome
I think a Superman movie when he and Kara land together and she raises him and they meet the Kent’s in the end would be dope
Your editor was right, you were right. Both Ed Norton and Eric Bana movies did that
I like your way of doing things Rob maybe someone from Hollywood is paying attention
“Jonathan Hickman’s Avengers and New Avengers” drinking game
Rob, I think you should be more involved with Marvel and DC films. The only thing I disagree with is your cyborg take. I think he would be a great character to explore and make some new things to add for them.
Cyborg is awful. Boring character, Robocop knock off.
Bloodshot was essentially the best Cyborg movie we’ll see in yrs
@@ferrarriohh yeah, i didn't really like his character. was the awfully stiff acting or something, maybe his bad attitude? idk
@@ferrarriohh Cyborg debuted 7 years before the first Robo Cop movie
@@PlutonianPrince I was just about to say that. And cyborg is a good character just not really expand on. He is a better character than superman in my opinion.
If I had to fix DC I would start with a reboot. Personally I love Batfleck so I'd bring him back, but if I couldn't bring him back then I'd go with Year 1 Batman. Superman, I'd pull from All-Star Superman, Michael Bendis Superman run to showcase Superman just handling everyday problems in the blink of an eye, and I'd include braniac as the villain which would also introduce Supergirl. Wonder Woman I'd pull from the 1st movie and part of geoff johns and Greg ruccka stories. Cyborg can done correctly could be good, but I'd pull from the Teen Titans show and make him more accepting of how he is instead of writing him like a tormented character.
The flash needs to be light hearted fun too.
Aquaman I'd pull from rebirth, and I would do john Stewart green lantern.
I think they need to drop the entire DCEU and just focus on standalone character pieces like Joker (2019) and The Batman (2022).
Stop trying to compete with Marvel and focus on accentuating the positives of each character and why fans love them.
I just want WW3 to introduce the other Wonder Women, like Nubia, Yara, Donna, Artemis, etc. I want Diana to fight armies, bigger nemesis. A 15 minute opening fight scene. A nonstop 30 minute closing fight scene. Bigger problems to solve, ie, like saving Themyscira or mankind. Fighting against the Amazons or something.
Warner Bros needs to do some more extensive background checks before they hire actors or actresses for major roles for multiple movies 🤷♂️
Ppl don't understand that dc is way deeper than marvel on a personal level. DC has to understand that their grown up view of things aren't bad. They can't compete with the fantasy that marvel creates. But they can make the more relatable movies with the stories they make.
To be honest, a Superman film kind of needs to be political. He's the Man of Tomorrow, the symbol of hope for a future that we have to push ourselves towards achieving.
Exactly. Superman has always been a political commentary, particularly about the United States, in the same way Captain America went from Uncle Sam’s golden boy to him refusing to fight, finding out about who he fights for, and finally fighting back when it all goes wrong. Superman has had similar arcs, although his stories aren’t always just US based but also humanity as a whole.
No it's gonna be the weird kind of Twitter politics not actual politics. Keep it out of that movie. I don't wanna see superman talking about Trump
@@streetside2833 who says he has to mention a specific president by name? You can be political without calling out specific politicians ya know. Movies and tv have and will continue to do that forever.
@@quintonjones8854 Bro I don't want them to talk about 2022 politics. I don't want them to even allude to anything. Star Trek literally did an episode where they suggested that the January 6 riots caused the end of the world....that's the type of shit I'm talking about. I hear and see this type of stuff all day on the internet and on TV. I don't wanna hear that shit in movies...I'm tired.
@@streetside2833 He wouldn't take about a real world politician. He would, however, face off against fascists and imperialists.
Jason Mamoa put Aquaman back on the map, he was the butt of every DC joke before Mamoa was casted. He revitalized the character and gave him some backbone, some humor, and a fanbase again. I disagree with Rob with recasting, at least for now.
I believe the strongest idea is, the one shot tv series that would be amazing! Plus it’s not what marvel is doing ,it would be nice to see DC expand there deep cast of characters
Wait, why are we trusting a guy who referenced the 90s Fantastic Four movie as if it was supposed to be good or even make money? Referencing it as if he saw it in theaters or found it at blockbuster?
It was never released, it was leaked, you needed to find a bootleg copy. It wasn't meant to be released, it was made just so that the studio could retain the movie rights to the characters.
If they make a Batman movie that shows the “softer side” of Bruce. You’re gonna get 80,000 simpletons on day one calling it “woke”.
They already did that for one line in The Batman so you are absolutely right
If there's one thing ppl don't want to see is a "soft" batman.
They could take the good version of the Reverse Flash with Eobard Thawne from the WB and have him replace the missing Flash in the DCEU.
I think they should still continue the reeves batman trilogy, and focus more on some of the lesser known characters and teams. And just reboot the justice league and introduce all the members in one movie, they’ve done it before in less time in multiple animated movies so they can definitely pull it off in live action as long as they get the right writers and directors.
“Avengers and new avengers”
*Rob busts a nut*
Yeah, nothing remotely like that will happen. Warner has had all the time & money to do it and hasn't yet. No reason to think anything will change except dropping/recasting Mira & Flash. I totally gave up on any sort of connected "universe" way back. IMO, the first WW, The Batman & Joker were good standalone movies. The rest, worth a watch on HBO+ but not worth a trip to the theater.
Dude, rob, seriously. If warner/dc would just hire you on as a consultant or to help with storyboards or treatments they would be raking in the dough. They're actually stupid if they didn't. They could probably get you for relatively cheap, like 3-5 million and you could help with a multi-film narrative and they would be happy.
Rob isn’t even a DC expert though lmaoo
Bruh, I love your channel. None of this is happening. Literally none of it. The business execs don't care about the story. They care about the character being used and the budget. A Joker musical? Nuff said.
How to introduce Aquaman: he's the dude character in the hypothetical Superman 2 movie.
Aquaman rises from the sea like a god and marches to the UN. He's causing mayhem and people think he's a villain.
People call Supes. And they fight.
After a while, S realizes that A just wants people to stop destroying his domain, so they team together against the UN to reduce Ocean pollution and/or pay damages.
There's some kind of other threat that they team up to stop. And it ends with them becoming friends and Lex Luthor profiting off of the entire situation. Maybe the movie ends with him becoming president thanks to the B plot
Ezra has gone off the deep end, He's done imo.
Ezra Miller identify as They/Them. Please don’t misgender.
@@stefhanluctamar7327 cool story bro
Ezra is a man
I know Ezra did fucked things and is accused of grooming and kidnapping, I’m not on their side, you can at least show them a little humanity.
Dc should have made a static shock movie the moment they saw Black panther’s success.
Superman has to be vs the elite, it absolutely has to. It's the perfect example of who superman is and the plot is relevant to the current dceu landscape.. do you want crazy kill everyone vigilante justice,, or do you want classic superman? Personally I'm tired of realistic take on batman. I want a wtf this crazy batman movie.
The thing about that kind of Batman movie is that it'll have to stand alone. Batman is the only person on the team without any special abilities. So for him to have all of his comic exaggeration in a film would be just like having him perform magic, which won't translate well next to the JL members. I could be wrong tho.
@@thephilosopher7173 yeah, like maybe I don't want insane levels of comic batman. I do want to see batman taking down super villains, Mr freeze, poison ivy, I've been dying to see clayface
Superman animated series intro would suffice as the "origin through the credits" idea Rob touched on
WB has themselves in such a problematic situation. They're juggling the dceu, The new Batman franchise, Joaquin phoenix joker movies, and everything else dceu. A hard reboot doesn't feel like it's the correct answer since they have some components working but it's difficult figuring out hot to replace the components that aren't working...
Nobody cares about the comic book arcs. We just want good movies and the characters to interact.
Good video but that's only part of the problem. Honestly, even if comic writers crafted DCEU the results will be the same. The problem is DC comics and their obsession with Batman and Superman. Everything revolves around them and their side kicks or their villains. An article even called DC comics, "Batman comics" because they counted total over 20 comics tied to batman and his family villains (32 batman and batman related comics if memory served me right). Its monotonous and boring. It's thr reason DC comics had lay off half their staff last year. This carries over into movie theaters.... How many times are we going to hear the same batman and the sams villains told over and over again in movie theaters.
By the way, that last batman movie was not great. It was OK. A friend of mine was so irritated at the film that he swore he would never go to another batman movie again 🤣😂. It's the same story line being redressed. The only reason it did well is because of its staunch fan base it (franchise) is not really gaining any new fans.
DC comics need to develop little known or new characters like Marvel do (ie guardians of the galaxy, even iron man etc now the new wonderman coming up) . Characters not tied to or better yet with little ties to batman or superman or even flash. Peacemaker was a good start look at how phenomenal it did.
WB should reboot completely, or maybe just start off with Robert Pattinson’s Batman, but the new DCEU needs its own Feige, like Bruce Tim and/or Paul Dini to decide the shape the new DCEU takes. It needs to be story-driven not on what a director wants to do.
WB also need to stop creating multiple movies of the same character played by different actors, all it does is divide fans and gives them a reason to complain.
They could've easily tied Pattinson's Batman into Joaquin Phoenix's Joker.
These 2 movies had a really similar feel between them and as good as the Joker from the cutscene looked, I'm kinda disappointed it didn't happen...