Why Are AWFUL Smash Bros Clones So Hilarious?
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Rivals of Aether. One thing I love about the game is that every character has one "stage-wide" mechanic. Three examples: Orcane lays puddles which he can teleport to at any time, Kragg can pull up a giant pillar to get in the way of opponents or aid in his recovery, and Ori has a little orb-thing called Stein which follows (him?) around and powers up his attacks if they're together.
And then you realise the game has Steam Workshop support, and suddenly you're playing as Minecraft Steve (with a completely unique moveset to Smash), fighting Yellow from Animator vs. Animation, a cat who can program his own special attacks mid-battle and Goku (and that's just from ONE mod dev)
Glad I’m not the only one that immediately started writing a whole college essay on Rivals when asked for recommendations
Came to say the same
Rivals is my first thought when I think of platform fighters that are not smash. (It is also crazy good and makes you feel cool!)
I was about to say rivals
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Genuinely, one of your best scripts as of yet! Keep up the great work, Skooch!
Thank you. I've been hard focusing on getting better at writing so I'm glad it's starting to pay off :']
The vibe is lit
It's totally swagey
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A lot of people are saying Rivals of aether but if you want a bad one, "Shrek Super Slam" is on Playstation all stars level of "eh"
Interesting fact about Playstation All-Stars: Crash Bandicoot and Spyro were heavily requested and considered by the developers. However, as you mentioned, they aren't owned by Sony. They're owned by Activision. Fans and devs wanted them, but Activision wanted an exorbitant amount for them.
I think the best hope for having Crash and Spyro in a platform fighter is to hope they get put on the next Smash. Ultimate already had some non-Nintendo characters and Nintendo has the money to make it happen.
@@Laz3rCat95 Yeah after Banjo-Kazooie and Steve, I think it'll happen since Crash and Spyro are also now owned by Microsoft thanks to the merger. Nintendo has a good relationship with MS so I think Crash and Spyro are shoo-ins for the next Smash.
Image if Crash and Spyro made it into smash, All Stars would be DEAD
@@jmaster4941I would seriously consider buying a whole console and game just to play as Spyro, I love that dragon so much
The uncanny feeling of having played so much smash, and then seeing Garfield and Squidward duke it out while actually being a good game, is amazing.
Regarding PSAS the story is actually really interesting and sad
So the Devs Sony gave the project to were mainly experienced on ports
They tried to get several big PS related characters but had several issues
1)Some IP holders said no (like Eidos)
2)Some IP holders asked for too much money (like SE with FF characters)
3)Some IP holders wanted specific characters to be added (hence Raiden and Donte instead of Snake and Dante)
And finally Sony didn't give them much of a budget to begin with
So in conclusion Sony wanted Smash Bros but they didn't want to spend Smash Bros money, something Sakurai has mentioned several times is one of the main issues with each new entry
Dude, I was kinda looking forward to Multiverses by Warner Bros. It had a solid game on release, if a tad bit lacking, but it could have been easily fixed. Unfortunately the unrealistic goals for their devs and extreme push on monetization ended it's career before it even began. I still think a fighting game balanced around 2v2s specifically would be awesome, it's just unfortunate that Multiverses was burnt to the ground before they had even finished building it.
But at the same time the servers are down, its only reopening some time in 2024. Hard to get footage.
I hope it comes back strong because it had some of my favorite characters in a platform fighter. Bugs was so fun.
It was still technically in open beta
Same, I actually still have MultiVersus but the game never really got me hooked on playing more. When I started playing it, it never taught me the controls of any of the fighters. Instead I think I had to pause a game or go somewhere in the menu to look at the fighters moves. Honestly, the damage% works in the game the same way as Smash Bros.
Idk if this games coming back, but if it does it has to come back with a lot of work on it. No more dodge spammy BS, most characters have enough moves that retain air momentum/verticality and also there is essentially infinite wall hopping so no idea why they need to have two air dodges that you can spam. I also don’t personally love the floatiness, but I don’t think that will change since it’s kind of the DNA.
As far as why the game crashed when it did, no it wasn’t just the character release schedule they couldn’t keep up with, it was the various bugs/issues that persisted for months, the fact they were so slow to address ridiculously imbalanced characters (Season 1 Finn was not ok, Stripe on release was NOT ok) Harley took forever to get to a decent spot of balance, and some characters were just no where near as cool as others (Gizmo, although with a decent-ish moveset, is completely underwhelming. How did he get in before Beetlejuice? At least if we’re going with 80’s icons he would have been a more exciting and fun pick, can’t even imagine the moveset they would have given him)
Basically it needs a 2.0 overhaul. And it has had the time… it all a matter now on if they put the time to good use. As awesome as NASB 2 ended up being compared to its original game not even a year earlier, I hope that that becomes the similar case for Multi, because there are some awesome characters in this game that I do miss, like IG, Superman, hell I even miss smacking fools with Garnett. But we’ll have to see, and if I’m honest, the silence is deafening, and at the same time, may say a bit more than any of us actually want to hear right now
"I guess Snake was busy" Yeee, fighting in Smash lol
One recommendation that I'm surprised people weren't mentioning is Jump Super Stars and its sequel Jump Ultimate Stars on the DS. They only came out in Japan and feature a variety of Shonen Jump characters for their rosters as well as an interesting system you create your own manga page using several different panels that give a variety of different effects.
This had to be the best gane jump as an ip has for some reason, but we never had an upgraded version
Rushdown Revolt was a game that experimented with what I think NASB 2 hit perfectly on their slime meter mechanic. In RR, the meter is called "Spark", which lets you do similar things, but you generate spark much more frequently. Every character also has very unique mechanics to them, like their puppeteer character lets you alternate between two no matter where they are, there's a fighter that takes the grappler archetype to the extreme, etc. I think NASB found the perfect balance in having a deep mechanic without the user requiring it as the floor, but if you want to see Guilty Gear Roman Cancels in a plat fighter, Rushdown Revolt can be very rewarding.
Rivals of Aether, Brawhalla, Towerfall Ascension would be my three platform fighter recommendations for the next one.
Rivals is a furry foo fighters game with some crazy good movement and skill expression alongside possibly the wildest mod character roster I've ever seen
Brawlhalla takes it's own gimmick and rolls with it in an interesting way
Towerfall is a Platform fighter based entirely around bow and arrows. Special arrows and power ups vary the game to a crazy degree and while characters may not be different the things you can do with the movement in it is exxceptional
I completely forgot about Brawlhalla
@@weegeeman134 yeah it's a very simplistic one but it has quite a bit of interesting tech involved
@@colebarber8485brawlhalla is my main game and man once you get high ranked the movement is crazy
Towerfall in my experience is just the best party game. Its so fast and chaotic but also simple: snipe, spam, or stomp to win!
Digimon Rumble Arena is one that not a lot of people talk about, but one that is very close to my nostalgia filled heart. If you want a whacky platform fighter with questionable controls, I'd recommend trying it out.
Every platform fighter talk I watch I wait for it to be mentioned and it just never is
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and every time I try to introduce people to Digimon, the first thing everyone says is that Digimon is a ripoff even though it’s not and I’m tired of people saying that. Heck, they don’t even know what Digimon is and they already call it a ripoff because it has “Mon” in the title.
One of the lessons learned. It doesn't matter if your platform fighter is unique or not. Just make it feel good to play.
The Smash Bros clone I would have the most nostalgia for would be Digimon Rumble Arena 2, which I loved messing around with as a kid. Nowadays it's kinda janky and chaotic to play, but as a fan of the franchise, it's hard not to get some enjoyment in digivolving and seeing the various forms of Digimon fight each other.
Bro just the can factory stage is so dumb, but i wanna see skooch talk about it 😂
This game was genuinely good! I played it a bunch both alone and with my friends, and we had a blast!
I have great memories of the first one, was even the first game I played that made me a Digimon fan at the same time. Reapermon is now one of my favourite Digimon but ironically that was because he has been etched into my soul as one of the most frustrating final bosses of all time. His AI was complete BS, and the only way I could beat him was to keep running in the opposite direction and chipping away at his health bar until I dealt enough damage to Digivolve. But alas I would be dammed if the feeling wasn't great when you finally beat him for the first time, and your reward was getting to play him right away after the arcade ending, and he was just as OP as the AI handled him.
For being a silly fighting game, smash brothers is also incredibly serious and hard core
You forgot the worst part of Playstation All Stars Battle Royale... The fact that the game came with on disk day one DLC... That the computer could and would be used against you in random fights, story mode, and more... Which is pretty scummy
Rivals of Aether is pretty fun to play as well, just because of all the mods.
Smash bros and RoA are my top picks for fighting games.
God I love when this man uploads,always hyped to see a new skooch vid
Thank you I've been in bad-game hell to get a lot of footage so I'm glad it's all worth it in the end B]
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I still love PS all stars and go back to it every now and then (mostly due to nostalgia). Also I loved the stages in that game how it’s one game’s stage and halfway through another game merges into it. I really like this idea.
I remember the first time i saw the loco roco stage get sliced in half by a giant robot.
Those poor loco rocos...
Bro real talk, i couldnt stop laughing listening to every comparison and analogy you made throughout the video. It was awesome. Thanks for this and keep it up
One of the best vids ive seen on yt this year, genuinely. Glad to see u enjoying this type of content :)
Here’s a few platform fighters to try out:
Rivals of Aether - a sequel is coming out next year and the modding community is insane, every character has an element
Brawlhalla - gimmick is that everyone has the same moveset except for two weapons they can pick up off the ground
Multiversus - currently unplayable but uuuuh
Fraymakers - an indie love letter by the makers of Super Smash Flash 2
Super Smash Flash 2 - an incredibly polished fanmade Smash game
Brawlout - eh kinda mid I know it exists from an Alpharad video
Slap City - I know it exists at least and is apparently really good
Shovel Knight Showdown - an official Shovel Knight plat-fighter that gives every character a moveset as if they had their own Shovel Knight games
where's Smash Bros Crusade? its up there with SSF2 on solid smash bros fangames
Rivals sucks outside of steam brawlhalla is only fun if you can’t afford actually fun games
Ive already watched this vid 3 times. Love seeing you talk about stuff like this. You’re killin it my g
Slap City is a rather underrated platform fighter, especially because of the "clutch" mechanic allowing for easier tech execution mid-fight, and the fact that it is filled with characters from the developers' IPs, just like Smash.
Also Roof Rage and Samurai Gunn 2 deserve a shout-out too
You can play a big muscular fish, I love it
one of the few clones that are good. the only con is its main theme
fraymakers is in early access right now but for what it is at the moment, i definitely think you should take a look at it. especially since it's made by the same guys who made super smash flash 2.
Check out Shovel Knight Showdown, it's kind of a platforming fighter but with kind of a party game spin on it. It's designed so that it's not just always just stock battles or most kills, there's also rounds where you win by collecting the most treasure or other rules that apply to just that round. The roster is pretty big too, with nearly every named character in the series and even a couple random enemies playable with their own unique movesets.
I'm surprised Battle Stadium D.O.N. wasn't mentioned but it also makes sense that it wasn't since it was a japan-only release. Great video skooch! :D
I'm surprised you didn't talk about MultiVersus in this video. It was some good fun to play a Smash-like game with the boys for a bit
1:39 this was too smooth for comfort
I came across this and your other vids of recent and been enjoying the commentary and edits so far! 🎉
It was pretty common knowledge for Nintendo gamers that Samus was a woman for quite some time before 90s kids know was a 90s even was. Welcome to the world.
You know, this video made me realize why Smash succeeds as a platform fighter, and it's not limited to the IPs being used, though that helps a lot.
The way you defeat your opponents by launching them off the stage is inherently a platforming element, as you need to jump back to the stage.
By having the victory and survival element tied to platforming, they can put more emphasis on the movement of the characters, which again, leans into the platforming element. This makes the game feel a lot more natural.
This is also why stage hazards are a fun element. The movement is enjoyable making the scramble to evade them or abuse them entertaining in of itself.
For reference, look at the classic break the targets stages from melee. They had unique designs that made you use the movements and attacks of each character in an interesting way.
Thus, smash succeeds as it's more platformer than fighter, and commits to it.
Your videos get better and better by the day man I love it
the skooch cant be stopped! another interesting well thought video! so much more fun than the mindless feed most people put out. you're one of the best skooch!
Ludosity, who worked on the NASB games, also made Slap City, which uses their characters like Ittle Dew.
Please do have an entire section dedicated to Rivals of Aether in the sequel of this vid. It's a great game on its own but when you find the stuff that's in the workshop, I'd say the game is almost as good as actual smash bros. Thousands of creations and about half of them are incredibly and surprisingly well designed. Some favorites I have to mention include a Steve (Muno), Mario Pissing (new one), Reimu, Morshu, Jerma, Spamton, Chara, Paper Mario (The Origami King), Gengar, Sanic, Terra, Goku, Crewmate, Untitled Goose, Henry Stickmin, Phoenix Wright, Peashooter, Hotel Mario and Luigi, Mecha Sonic, Ronald McDonald (just HAD to include him here, he's basically the face of Rivals modding) and that's just a fraction of the characters that I personally love and I think you'll like them too. Only issue that I think you'll really have is that the game's main roster is kinda furryish and half of the workshop also contains furryish ocs, however I think they're very well designed both visually and how they play so I think it doesn't matter.
YAYY skooch upload!! Christmas time baybieee. The script was actually great for this one, the quality just keeps getting better and better. Thanks for the laughs, sbooch
"If there's any platform fighters I missed that you really want to see me play and talk about please let me know in the comments"
Brother I don't know if you're getting bombarded with the recommendation but if you're looking for platform fighter goodness then Rivals of Aether and its upcoming sequel Rivals 2 are definitely worth a look. I'd say NASB2 hits a better balance between casual silliness and competitive sweat, but RoA's execution on that competitive sweat is honestly masterful. Character movement is fast and snappy, tech like wavedashing and hitfalling are made incredibly easy to execute on, stages have a nice amount of variation in terms of layout, and if none of this satisfies you then pop over to the workshop, download Ronald or any of the other crazy mods on there, and have fun with that.
I really hope you talk about Slap City next. It was made by Ludosity, the devs of Nickelodeon All Star Brawl 1 and 2, starring their own unique cast of quirky characters from their many quirky games.
Genuine suggestion for a part 2. Super Smash Flash 2. I'm aware a blatant, literal Smash Bros clone (down to the IP and overall game style) might be a bit on the nose but... I say the game's worth covering.
"They got me, im homeless."
Lol, well, now you got me, im subscribed 😂
Nobody is mentioning it, so I might as well, TMNT Smash Up, made by some of the same devs that helped with Brawl, also Jump Ultimate Stars on the Nintendo DS
rivals of aether, slap city, roof rage, rushdown revolt, fraymakers, brawlout, and smack studio are all platfighters i know of, but personally i'd love to see you cover rushdown revolt. Unfortunately its a bit hard to recommend since its a bit buggy and doesn't have many players, but its the game i stuck with the most because of its gameplay. Learning combos was really fun because the game behaves similarly to nickeloden allstars 2, where you can slime cancel moves to link up attack. However in rushdown revolt, you spend "spark" in order to cancel your attacks, and to gain spark all you have to do is hit the opponent, which will lead to a lot of combo game at all times. It is a bit similar to turbo modes in smash mods. Spark can also be used for movement options aswell, you can spend it to super jump, so if you have a hard hitting attack that launches far, you might be able to super jump towards the opponent to still be able to follow up. Rushdown revolt also has some mechanics seen in traditional fighting games. For example instead of having a percent, you have health in this game and you have a one time per stock resource called burst, which is used to get out of combos or to even further extend your combo game. The characters in this game are also very unique and each have their own signature mechanics, which I won't really go over since its a lot. Overall, i think rushdown revolt is really fun gameplay wise, but the menus, bugs, and other things kinda drive people away. (slap city and rivals are also pretty good, but i think no one will talk about rushdown revolt that much)
Don't forget about Neon Genesis Evangelion: Battle Orchestra! Yep, there's an Eva platform fighter. It was only released in Japan for PS2 and PSP. Not only can you play as the EVAs but also the most of the Angels too, which includes the non-humanoid ones like Ramiel and Leliel. Plus, the titular mecha from one of Hideaki Anno's earlier works, Gunbuster, is also featured in the game.
"Tries so hard to think outside of the box that it no-clips into a dumpster" is such a wonderful saying that I am going to steal it
You Smash Bros players need to learn that there’s no ripoffs to Smash Bros. In fact, nowadays people are saying that Smash Bros may have started the Platform Fighter SubGenre.
I highly recommend Slap City! It's the definition of quality over quantity
The roster may be small, but each character is so unique with their moveset and personality. The best part is, that it's both for casuals AND competitive players! The stages are extremely wacky and there are a bunch of goofy modes, but it also has amazing gameplay which would make even Melee shake in its boots.
You need to try this game! I feel like you would like it
You should also take a look at Rushdown Revolt. It's pretty much a game built entirely around Turbo Smash.
skooch video to end off the day on a high note, ty mr skooch
*breakdances*
If you liked NASB 2, I'd highly reccomend Slap City, it's made by the same devs.
It also has a muscular perry the platypus called "Ultra Fishbunjin 3000" who throws dumbells
Aside from that, I'd like to see you cover Rivals of Aether, Brawlhalla, and Fraymakers
fraymakers will def be a work of art. since its made by the creator of the biggest smash fan game
23:07 missed opportunity to say your expectations were as deep as a pineapple under the sea 😭
Thank you for this video, Outfoxies used to be on arcade machine at a leisure centre I went to as a kid, I used to love that game but forgot it existed, thanks again for bringing back a little lost memory
Tower Fall Ascension, and Shovel Knight Showdown are 2 Platform Fighters I love for basically doing their own thing. There isn't a lot of Smash DNA, and they give off arcade cabinet vibes.
Rushdown Revolt is a great platform fighter. The characters are cool and comboing feels great once you get the hand of the spark mechanic
Your Only Move Is Hustle is somehow a turn based fighting game with predictions that make it really easy to get into (you can literally check every possible scenario before locking in)
There's Jump Super Stars, Jump Ultimate Stars, and Battle Stadium D.O.N., but they're Japan only.
The Arc System Works game "Code Shifter" is primarily a platformer, but has a platform fighter multiplayer mode starring their characters. Slap City is the same for Ludosity, and Stardust Valkyries is a small one that people seem to really like.
One Smash bro clone I played was Digimon Rumble Arena for the PS1. One of my friends had it and it was a blast to play. I do know the had 2 game in the series one, but never played them.
"And Samus, girl? What?"
Weirdest way to say "I have never played Metroid in my life"
One that I remember from my childhood is some weird game on xbox 360 arcade called "small arms" where you play as these weird animals with guns for arms.
You should try fraymakers, it’s a platform fighter with characters from many indie games. It has characters from franchises such as rivals of aether, oneshot, pizza tower and among us
“One of these games deals with harsh real world issues, manipulation, and losing faith in humanity - and then there’s the last of us” I’m dying
Petition for this guy to beat terraria as an anime character
Someone: " No one can press the P "
Bomberman: Just spawns up a bomb with the letter " P " on it
I know a Smash Bros. clone you could include in a future video; LEGO Brawls!
Man this video was a riot from start to finish, great script and delivery, consider me subbed!
For the future vid I'd suggest Digimon Rumble Arena 1 & 2, they arent really good but wacky and hilariously unbalanced
Bomberman was always a war criminal, long before DreamMix TV World Fighters.
the only platformer fighter games that are coming to mind is: Digimon rumble arena 1 and 2
This may not be considered a smash clone but there is a 3D 4 player party fighter from the Dreamcast known as Powerstone and its Sequel: Power Stone 2. It was developed by Capcom and it's definitely worth a look.
I remember I played Punch Time Explosion like one time at a family member’s house and the only thing I could ever remember was the character selection screen.
4:26 He actually WAS! He was in Smash, and due to licencing reasons, couldn't show up. SO they got the pretty boy replacement instead. It's honestly the PERFECT encapsulation of All Stars
Me with important work that needs finishing: "OH HEY NEW SKOOCH VID!"
There’s Shrek super slam but it’s not really a platform fighter. I remember items, insane heights, a panning camera around the stage as you moved, and cool skins for characters.
the Grim adventures of Billy and Mandy video was honestly a great time when I was a kid and looking back on it would still hold up
There was a Platform fighter released on japan for the Nintendo DS, Jump Ultimate Stars or something like that, for anime characters from Shonen Jump
I can think of four platform fighters for you Skooch, Rushdown Revolt (smash but focusing on the competitive scene), Rivals of Aether (the same but they're still willing to have furries and cartoons), Multiversus (smash but it's a 2v2 four person game which is some actual differences to smash) and Brawlhalla a game I never see not hear, except for when its gigantic prize pools get mentioned.
Also bold claims at the start about Smash as a fighting game, many would take that as a declaration of war. Love your stuff.
Shrek Superstar Slam
"that one spinoff party game" that legit died, then randomly out of the blue gained a competitive player-base
look it up, its a ride
That crash bandicoot joke killed me.
“And then there’s the last of us.” LOL
Don't know if it counts because it's a 3D platform fighter but I put many hours into Shrek Superslam. I think it standouts for it's destructible arenas and unique Challenge Mode which isn't just fighting the whole time and it throws in unique stuff like a parry challenge, race and even a platforming stage.
Or if you want a more typical Smash clone I remember playing TMNT Smash Up. It's much more like Smash but Ninja Turtles and the Rabbids from Rayman as guest characters.
There's actually a Star Wars Smash clone. It was an exclusive multiplayer mode for the Wii version of Star Wars: The Force Unleashed 2.
Skooch is getting better at game reviews like these!
thats why characters with super moves where basically they like big daddy's where he floods the stage and makes players float makes it very easy to kill, i remember heihachi supers were all really good.
@skooch Here is a list of possibly vague smash bros clones that I'd like to see you talk about:
- Konjiki no Gash Bell!! Go! Go! Mamono Fight!! (PS2 Japan)
- Viewtiful Joe: Red Hot Rumble (Gamecube)
- Jump Ultimate Stars (DS)
- Digimon Rumble Arena (PS2)
- Shovel Knight Showdown (Switch)
- Turtle Smash-Up (Wii)
I'd like to hear your thoughts on Multiversus, Brawlhalla, and Rivals of Aether (Including the current kickstarter).
Oh and Kirby Fighters 1 (3DS) and 2 (Switch)!
I’m surprised he didn’t even bother with multi-verses
Digimon Rumble Arena 2!
It was one of my favorite Arena Fighters when I was a kid, and it was just cool to digivolve mid game, eventually to your final form. It was hella fun.
Digimon Rumble would be a fun shoutout for platform fighters
I have very fond memories from my childhood of a game called Digimon Rumble Arena 2, so I would love to see it included in a video.
A less well known platform fighter that I have had a lot of fun with is Rushdown Revolt. I can't speak for the state of the game now, but I've logged a good amount of hours and the game feels really good to play
Fraymakers. It has a unique mecahnic of assists (which kind of just act as a extra move,) but it also has custom content, and doesnt have a lot of content yet but will in the future.
damn don't know how this showed up but haven't enjoyed a commentary this much in a while
You should definitely try the shovel knight showdown mode in shovel knight treasure trove. It's one of the best parts of that game imo.
Keep up the FIRE content, Skooch!
The old TNT wii game - Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Smash-Up
I played it so much as a kid.
and maybe skylanders PvP as a honorable mention - it was way better than what it should have
Great video! I really love it when you talk about a bunch of games of a certain type like this and is just my favorite types of videos you have done
I don't know many others besides the ones you talked about that I knew of but here are my recommendations
Brawlhalla
Multiversus
Rivals of Aether
Shovel Knight Showdown
Slap City
8:31 to be fair, it's sort of their mascot. It also appears multiple times in MGS for example
Digimon Rumble Arena 1/2 are some of those games that were great as a child but don't hold up as well 😅
Another smash clone I never see anyone talking about is Flash Party, that chinese clone is one of the best because its actually fun to play, even its original characters are likable. Yeah its kinda pay to win because it has permanent boosts for its characters and some can even swap their moves for new and better ones and it being F2P locks most characters, but you can always outskill everyone since it feels somehow fair and the characters you are given are fun to play.
There is no shot he uploaded a “this Black Friday” sponsor on November 30th 💀
Fully never talked about is jump all stars or whatever its called. Its a smash clone for handhelds that has the shounen jump characters. And also features a fighting manga panel.
Shek Super Slam. I have vague memories of playing it with my siblings and having fun