My understanding is that CashyOS optimises for latency, which will have a negative impact on throughput. So these benchmarks don't paint the full picture. Sure if all you care about is frame rate then this is how you should do your benchmark. However, for a more responsive system with lower latency, CashyOS might be better. I have not done my own testing though.
The custom kernels are generally tuned towards interactivity (less latency), measuring just FPS is painting a rather incomplete picture. Would you trade 5fps for a 10ms decreased mouse to screen latency? I would.
Thanks for the comparison. Personally, I've used Zen before and still using it after this video. It would be interesting if you could also compare it to the TKG kernels as they are also "made for gaming"
Why haven't I seen this video before? This seems like a very good benchmark 👍 straight to the point and showcases 1% lows - something that many benchmarks fail to showcase. Perhaps it'd be worth to measure 0.1% lows in your future videos as well, in order to spot rarer stutters. I'd take 1% lows of The Finals with a grain of salt, since the testing was done manually, as opposed to a scripted benchmarking scene that's always identical.
Zen is the best overall because with the newer patches Fysnc is way faster than Esync now. Liquorix has a way better scheduler than the rest of them but its a project maintained by one person basically, highly exploitable. and Stock performs best on low/med end laptops with integrated graphics.
I feel like cs:go 128 tick 300 fps would be a good test. Or a >100 player minecraft server. I don’t imagine cyberpunk needs to hit the kernel that much other than draw calls. You can avoid doing too many system calls with the latest graphics API’s anyway. Server stuff esp. minecraft is all serial and touches the kernel a lot. Also use strace to see how many system calls there are. Do a histogram of that it would be cool. I think you could maybe measure system call latency. You might have to do shared library injection or something though to do that. I expect big BIG things in the next video.
Quick question since you're doing Linux content. When I'm on Arch linux, I can build OBS VKCapture for both 32bit and 64bit using AUR, and that's working great. However, when I'm using OpenSUSE, Fedora, Debian, I can't get OBS VKCapture to work for 32bit applications, because VKCapture won't build 32bit plugin. I tried various stuff but none of them worked in the end. Sure, I can Flatpak apps and then use VKCapture, but I prefer using native linux apps when possible, I'm not a huge fan of Flatpaks. I wonder if you had some similar experiences, or you know some way to manually build 32bit OBS VKCapture plugin. Thanks
I remember using a vkcapture build from the opensuse build website build.opensuse.org/package/show/home:regataos/obs-studio-plugin-vkcapture I dont remember if i needed 32bit or not for it to work, as the games i was capturing were working just fine
@@KajzerD yeah this is another reason why i like arch as i dont need to go and build it myself through github, i can just use the aur lol, but opensuse has that build service and people seem to be actively maintain packages unlike copr on fedora for things like vkcapture
@@linuxnext I just found out that Fedora apparently has VKCapture in their official repos. Might give that a try and see if they have 32bit capture working. I used to run Fedora always because it was painless experience every time. I might have to revisit it again
It's interesting to see which kernel can outperform one another with the hardware i have? Im bottlenecked aswell so it can be interesting to see which can perform better on cpu dependent games
6.6 LTS is great for battery. But it all depends on the processor, Intel, AMD. AMD performs better on complete lastest, over here for me, I have Fedora Rawhide so 6.9 RC2 really bleeding edge works insanely good.
Linux is for lowend gamer, if you want quality like all new Features from nvidia, only windows is the way. Nvidia, HDR, VRR, RTX HDR, DLSS Rayreconstruction, Framegeneratin, GPU undervolting or OC, all together you dont get it at once in linux. Even in 2030 you wont get. The communtity is big on linux but they dont put the efford together. Also to much distros, then not equal kernel version, moddified kernels.... Wayland, x11 or much more, whats the right to choose. Noway, stay away as a gamer from linux if you want quality gaming. And think about, over 80% own nvidia cards! If nvidia dont make the step to linux, linux will never be No. 1 for gaming / desktop. Truth prove: over 20 years they only hit 4% of users, mostly thanks to VALVE! I know truth hurts. But dont fool yourself, accept it. Time comes for Linux gaming, but this i say for now over 25 years...
Uuuuh, i think you live under a rock lol We have hdr, vrr, rtx, dlss Sure we don't have rtx hdr or Ray reconstruction or framegen but who rlly needs that? You can also undervolt and oc, i know you can do it on amd and there are great tools for that I think again you live under a rock, nvidia is improving there drivers on linux, bringing wayland support this month, big companies like redhat and contributors are working on nvk a open source driver that will soon be on par with the amd drivers And also with the market share, linux was at like 1% in desktop, now its a 4% in just under 2 years, think about that, that's another 2 or so million users that are now using linux, and its not stopping And you must understand that linux desktop was not even a thing rlly in the last 25 years, you do know that linux is used on 80% of servers worldwide right? That means there using a terminal right? So that also explains why linux desktop has been at 1%, gui software being not available also why it was a 1%, figuring out a good package manager that worked across all distros and doesnt break was why it was at 1% There are so many factors that come into why linux desktop is at 4% now and isnt stopping but you did basically zero research before commenting on this Sure if you want EVERYTHING then use windows but have fun dealing with Microsofts crappy os that shoves ads and updates down your throat :D
Bro Not Out of stock. NVidia ob Linux sucks, dont lie. I am on Nobara now, used actually every new distro this week. HDR Lacks, VRR Sometimes available Sometimes Not. Starfield Framegenration in Nvidia dont available. Dont lie Dude, dont fool yourself. Try Ghost Spectre Windows 11, and See gaming Wonders. Believe me, i Love and Support Linux over 25 years, but my Hope falls
@@m.m.3753 well thats the thing, i can explain every feature your having issues with like hdr and how it wont be ready till plasma 6.1, vrr wont be ready for nvidia until the 555 driver this month and yeah framegen doesnt work, welp go back to windows bro and deal with that crappy os. Ill have fun with my amd system :)
So was i right before? Every hardcore Fan allways Starts to: wait i can explain. NO! I will Game! Without thinkering around! So If Linux doesent have this state of gaming Like Windows its Not recommendable. Think about normal Windows Users, they dont even understand Windows! Now you come with wait i can explain. They have No brain for that.
sorry for the bad quality i recorded in 720p then encoded in 1440p lol
еблн хспд
Always funny to see how mainline outperforms many of these "performance" patched kernels
Perfection.
they literally dont
My understanding is that CashyOS optimises for latency, which will have a negative impact on throughput. So these benchmarks don't paint the full picture. Sure if all you care about is frame rate then this is how you should do your benchmark. However, for a more responsive system with lower latency, CashyOS might be better. I have not done my own testing though.
The custom kernels are generally tuned towards interactivity (less latency), measuring just FPS is painting a rather incomplete picture. Would you trade 5fps for a 10ms decreased mouse to screen latency? I would.
Thanks for the comparison. Personally, I've used Zen before and still using it after this video. It would be interesting if you could also compare it to the TKG kernels as they are also "made for gaming"
Why haven't I seen this video before?
This seems like a very good benchmark 👍 straight to the point and showcases 1% lows - something that many benchmarks fail to showcase. Perhaps it'd be worth to measure 0.1% lows in your future videos as well, in order to spot rarer stutters.
I'd take 1% lows of The Finals with a grain of salt, since the testing was done manually, as opposed to a scripted benchmarking scene that's always identical.
Stock is the best overall.
kernel sanders. that's the best one
I use the zen kernel since I made the switch to linux. :)
Zen is the best overall because with the newer patches Fysnc is way faster than Esync now. Liquorix has a way better scheduler than the rest of them but its a project maintained by one person basically, highly exploitable. and Stock performs best on low/med end laptops with integrated graphics.
I feel like cs:go 128 tick 300 fps would be a good test. Or a >100 player minecraft server. I don’t imagine cyberpunk needs to hit the kernel that much other than draw calls. You can avoid doing too many system calls with the latest graphics API’s anyway. Server stuff esp. minecraft is all serial and touches the kernel a lot.
Also use strace to see how many system calls there are. Do a histogram of that it would be cool. I think you could maybe measure system call latency. You might have to do shared library injection or something though to do that.
I expect big BIG things in the next video.
If you're gonna expect big things you're gonna be disappointed lol, good ideas tho
@@linuxnext you’re gonna time those syscalls
@@sporefergieboy10 nah :)
A great comment, I agree!
Bro, up the bitrate, I can't read anything!
i said i recorded in 720p at 10k bitrate by accident and then encoded in 1440p so it looks blurry, it doesnt rlly matter anyways, just use zen or tkg
Cachyos kernel is best for me
im running Debian 12 bookworm with the backports kernel so version 6.6 instead of the default 6.1
Quick question since you're doing Linux content. When I'm on Arch linux, I can build OBS VKCapture for both 32bit and 64bit using AUR, and that's working great. However, when I'm using OpenSUSE, Fedora, Debian, I can't get OBS VKCapture to work for 32bit applications, because VKCapture won't build 32bit plugin. I tried various stuff but none of them worked in the end. Sure, I can Flatpak apps and then use VKCapture, but I prefer using native linux apps when possible, I'm not a huge fan of Flatpaks. I wonder if you had some similar experiences, or you know some way to manually build 32bit OBS VKCapture plugin. Thanks
I remember using a vkcapture build from the opensuse build website
build.opensuse.org/package/show/home:regataos/obs-studio-plugin-vkcapture
I dont remember if i needed 32bit or not for it to work, as the games i was capturing were working just fine
@@linuxnext I guess I'll try it one more time. Thanks
@@KajzerD yeah this is another reason why i like arch as i dont need to go and build it myself through github, i can just use the aur lol, but opensuse has that build service and people seem to be actively maintain packages unlike copr on fedora for things like vkcapture
@@linuxnext I just found out that Fedora apparently has VKCapture in their official repos. Might give that a try and see if they have 32bit capture working. I used to run Fedora always because it was painless experience every time. I might have to revisit it again
hey man, nice aim!
what is the point of presenting the maximum?
It's interesting to see which kernel can outperform one another with the hardware i have? Im bottlenecked aswell so it can be interesting to see which can perform better on cpu dependent games
The sound is a bit low
i see, ill make sure to make it a bit louder next time :)
@@linuxnext thanks for the contents
what is the hardware you used for this test?
Ryzen 3700x, rx 6700 10BGB, all stock
What the linux are you use now?
Endeavour os
I just use lts kernel, i have laptop, is battery life good or as good on zen?
Uuuh i wouldnt know, i dont use zen on a laptop, this is about performance not battery life
6.6 LTS is great for battery. But it all depends on the processor, Intel, AMD. AMD performs better on complete lastest, over here for me, I have Fedora Rawhide so 6.9 RC2 really bleeding edge works insanely good.
@@MF2_ETaube isee but yeah as recent as that is a bit of a strech, but thanks for sharing xd
Nihil in rhw background
Stock maybe overall best
There is no real reason to use custom kernels, thanks to Valve stock kernel is all you need... At lest for gaming
i learn
Linux is for lowend gamer, if you want quality like all new Features from nvidia, only windows is the way. Nvidia, HDR, VRR, RTX HDR, DLSS Rayreconstruction, Framegeneratin, GPU undervolting or OC, all together you dont get it at once in linux. Even in 2030 you wont get. The communtity is big on linux but they dont put the efford together. Also to much distros, then not equal kernel version, moddified kernels.... Wayland, x11 or much more, whats the right to choose. Noway, stay away as a gamer from linux if you want quality gaming. And think about, over 80% own nvidia cards! If nvidia dont make the step to linux, linux will never be No. 1 for gaming / desktop. Truth prove: over 20 years they only hit 4% of users, mostly thanks to VALVE! I know truth hurts. But dont fool yourself, accept it. Time comes for Linux gaming, but this i say for now over 25 years...
Uuuuh, i think you live under a rock lol
We have hdr, vrr, rtx, dlss
Sure we don't have rtx hdr or Ray reconstruction or framegen but who rlly needs that?
You can also undervolt and oc, i know you can do it on amd and there are great tools for that
I think again you live under a rock, nvidia is improving there drivers on linux, bringing wayland support this month, big companies like redhat and contributors are working on nvk a open source driver that will soon be on par with the amd drivers
And also with the market share, linux was at like 1% in desktop, now its a 4% in just under 2 years, think about that, that's another 2 or so million users that are now using linux, and its not stopping
And you must understand that linux desktop was not even a thing rlly in the last 25 years, you do know that linux is used on 80% of servers worldwide right? That means there using a terminal right? So that also explains why linux desktop has been at 1%, gui software being not available also why it was a 1%, figuring out a good package manager that worked across all distros and doesnt break was why it was at 1%
There are so many factors that come into why linux desktop is at 4% now and isnt stopping but you did basically zero research before commenting on this
Sure if you want EVERYTHING then use windows but have fun dealing with Microsofts crappy os that shoves ads and updates down your throat :D
Bro Not Out of stock. NVidia ob Linux sucks, dont lie. I am on Nobara now, used actually every new distro this week. HDR Lacks, VRR Sometimes available Sometimes Not. Starfield Framegenration in Nvidia dont available. Dont lie Dude, dont fool yourself. Try Ghost Spectre Windows 11, and See gaming Wonders. Believe me, i Love and Support Linux over 25 years, but my Hope falls
@@m.m.3753 well thats the thing, i can explain every feature your having issues with like hdr and how it wont be ready till plasma 6.1, vrr wont be ready for nvidia until the 555 driver this month and yeah framegen doesnt work, welp go back to windows bro and deal with that crappy os.
Ill have fun with my amd system :)
So was i right before? Every hardcore Fan allways Starts to: wait i can explain. NO! I will Game! Without thinkering around! So If Linux doesent have this state of gaming Like Windows its Not recommendable. Think about normal Windows Users, they dont even understand Windows! Now you come with wait i can explain. They have No brain for that.
@@m.m.3753 seems like you just dont like linux so go back to windows lmao its where you belong :D