Change out your motor from the same size but 1050KV Upgrade your ESC to a 60A Use a 4Cell Battery at 80C or above and it will fly anywhere! I did it to mine, Also you might want to change the servos to 9g all metal gear servos, they are not the best that come with it My plane now flies awesome! Straight into a head wind fast! Happy flying and thank you for a great video
Hi Daniel and Thank You! I agree with your assessment. I tried setting up for 4S with the stock motor but had some serious vibrations. I ordered the RacerStar 4023 Motor but I haven't had time to install it yet. I have a HobbyWing Skywalker 50A ESC installed in the Phoenix S and the Phoenix V2. I'm going to test this motor in the Phoenix S and if everything goes well I'm going to order another one for the V2. I think 4S is the way to go. You can never have too much power ;-) See you in the Air!
Hi Jack! Yes, I was very happy this made it back to Terra Firma unharmed ;-) I already had the Viper in the Body Shop for repairs so I didn't want another one. It's getting a new 40A ESC with a 5.5V/5A BEC ;-)
The hinges on the control surfaces are the crushed foam AND proper hinges, from new they are very stiff and put unnecessary load on the servos and esc. I took a knife to mine and cut the foam and now rely on just the proper hinges, they are much easier to move and put much less load on the electrics, did you do this? I also have the 1600 version and they both fly really well, great planes.
Hi Dave! Yes, I had removed most, but not all, of the foam hinge before the 1st flight. I also worked the hinges back and forth to make sure there was no binding and little resistance. According to their manual, the 30A Easy Plug ESC only has a 5V/3A BEC. That's quite a load for a 3A BEC as I use my flaps as full span ailerons. I'm going to replace it with a YEP 40A 5.5V/5A ESC. That should handle it ;-) I love this glider and I have the PhoenixS I need to put together.
I was wondering if the problem I had with mine was the ESC also. I was powering out to get over a patch of thermals when my radio all of a sudden went dead. The Phoenix looked amazing gliding without any control, unfortunately I lost it and in a non-recoverable location. At first I thought it was the receiver, but I have 3 other examples of the exact same receiver, pure gliders (non power) and no issues. The only thing I could think of is perhaps the ESC allowed too much current (under full power) to the receiver and fried it. I plan getting another Phoenix, but one without ESC and servos.
Hi Paul! Yes, this is an awesome sport glider. I'm sure what happened to mine was the Voltage Regulator on the ESC just couldn't supply the amps to operate (6) servos. I should have checked to see how big the Voltage Regulator was on the Stock ESC before installing the Flaps. I was also using the Flaps as full span ailerons so they were operating all the time. That was just more than it could handle. I replaced the Stock ESC with one that has a Voltage Regulator that can supply 5 amps rather than just 3 amps the stock ESC can supply. I haven't had any problems since. It's a shame you couldn't recover yours. I try to get a kit whenever I can so I can install my own electronics like you're going to do. Good luck and I'll See you in the Air!
@@GroundControlRC I may get another ARF Phoenix price wise it's only $40 difference between one with electronics and one without, though I would probably swap out the ESC.
@@paulayala4816 Hey Paul! I think that's a good move. The stock ESC is the weak link and all the other stock components have worked well. I did find my stock motor is nice and smooth on 3S but on 4S it's got a harmonic vibration between 45%-55% throttle. It's not as well balanced as most of my other motors. I guess I'll have to stick to a 3S LIPO on that motor ;-) See you in the Air!
Mine has been faultless so far, Well, I shouldave not said that,,, Ahahahaha! Beauty GCRC, slick thing just hangs up there. Great moves, Your stall top outs are Da Sheeeeeee Mate.
Thank you much Jono! Yeah, once I say I haven't had any problems for a long time Murphy shows up and creates all kind of problems ;-) I'm going to try and get this ready for launch again quickly so I can get it back in the air. 3 Months is a long time to not have flown it. It's awesome!
Just a big graceful bird. The system seemed to be operating all of the servos OK while the motor was under power. I wonder if you had a solder connection come loose or a wire break within it's insulation? Sometimes you can give the receiver it's own battery pack for more reliability during high motor power draws. Maybe this one would benefit from such. A 4-pack of AAA alkalines for example Hope the problem solves quickly and will as little hair loss as possible (we don't have so much to spare anymore!) ;-) Happy flying!
Yes, fantastic sport glider. I'm hoping it's just a connection somewhere on the ESC and it can be fixed. I don't like losing components. I'm going to be putting a YEP 40A ESC with a 5.5V/5A BEC in it though as I didn't realize the stock ESC just had a 5V/3A BEC. Since I use my Flaps as Full Span Ailerons all 6 are activating all the time and 3A does not give me a warm fuzzy feeling ;-)
Sorry I was ment to reply to the battery backup above this question ordinary battery may get over charge and cause a fire were v good capacitor is designed for power failure
Try a back up system for power failure they are V-Good RC Capacitor 16.7F 5-8.4v they will keep power to your servos for about 45 to 60 sec for controlled glide to the the ground
@@GroundControlRC that's what thought look it up on UA-cam there's is another brand out there and also look at the capacitor size they come in 25f /50f /80f / 100f the highest the longer the servo will have power 25f is not very good Ive bought to 50f and I tried one out i disconnected the battery on my m7 Mauel it lasted 45sec continuously using servos
Keep in mind 45sec continuously that's enough time to glide down to the ground and you wouldn't use the contantly so you should get over a 60sec to land you will no you have lost power because the motor will stop all so is you have telemetry on your Phoenix V2 you will no you have a power failure
Just love how the Volantex comes apart for transport. Have you tried moving the CG aft as it seems to like it for gliding. have you tried mixing down elevator with throtle when applying flaps for landing.You need to look into telemetry Especially current draw and on board voltage - will improve flight time....
Hi Rocky! Yes, if these large gliders didn't break down I'd never get it in the truck ;-) Yeah, I have some negative elevator dialed in with the flaps to keep it from nosing up when the flaps are deployed. It's not nose heavy as I balance all of my planes, including this glider, with a neutral balance on my CG. I'll have to experiment with moving the CG back more just to see. Awesome glider and I have a blast every time I take it out except when the ESC quits on me ;-) See you in the Air!
Hey, look on the bright side.. it failed after you got it on the ground! Many others have not been so lucky.. I've never heard an ESC clicking before failure.. Definately not a bad solder connection.. dry joint? That thing has so much space and payload to spare you could run a dedicated lipo or nicad pack to power the servos and Rec for worry free Esc failures in future. Maybe time to get the real sport glider.. the Conscendo Evo out... if you still have it?
Hi Paul! Yes, I was lucky on this one after not being so lucky with the Viper. I've never heard an ESC clicking like that either and at first I thought it was the TX but that certainly wasn't the case. Yes, I still have the Conscendo and I'm not giving that one up ;-) I'll be taking it out again soon with a 4S again. The only way to fly it ;-) I didn't take it out because I'm looking for a solution on the folding prop. Sometimes when I shut off the throttle to glide one of the props will fall so far forward it won't kick back when I apply throttle. It much be a flaw with the metal alloy spinner assembly I put on it. It sounded like it was going to rip the motor out of the housing. I need to put some stops on it so that doesn't happen again.
There's a wide variety of ways these folding props will mount. Some use a collett that's built into the spinner, some use a cross mount, and some will mount directly to the motor. I have all (3) types of mounts as it depends on the type of motor and size of the motor shaft.
@@thetwogardens6048 The ones that mount directly to the motor are the ones I have that came with the plane. The motor has matching screw holes that match the spinner. I think my Conscendo EVO Sport Glider came that way. I did replace that plastic spinner with a collett type metal alloy spinner for the 4mm shaft that motor has. As long as you have a collett mount type assembly that matches the diameter of the motor shaft it should work assuming the shaft is long enough.
You're right, not funny, no power means your receiver can't even fail-safe to save the plane. I've never had issues with ESCs until recently. I hope these issues are gone for a while ;-) See you in the Air!
These were famous for crappy escs & servos back when the company was called Lanyu I guess nothing has changed I bought my 1600 Phoenix without electronics & used my own .
Yes, I looked up the BEC on the Volantex 30A Easy Plug ESC, which is what I believe this is, and it only has a 5V/3A BEC which is pretty marginal for 6 Servos especially since my Flaps are used as Full Span Ailerons when not engaged as Flaps. All 6 of my Servos are constantly activating during flight. I'll have to go over the ESC to make sure there's no loose connections and hopefully that's what it is. I do have the PhoenixS I purchased as a kit so I'll be putting my own electronics in it.
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Change out your motor from the same size but 1050KV
Upgrade your ESC to a 60A
Use a 4Cell Battery at 80C or above and it will fly anywhere!
I did it to mine, Also you might want to change the servos to 9g all metal gear servos, they are not the best that come with it
My plane now flies awesome!
Straight into a head wind fast!
Happy flying and thank you for a great video
Hi Daniel and Thank You!
I agree with your assessment.
I tried setting up for 4S with the stock motor but had some serious vibrations.
I ordered the RacerStar 4023 Motor but I haven't had time to install it yet.
I have a HobbyWing Skywalker 50A ESC installed in the Phoenix S and the Phoenix V2.
I'm going to test this motor in the Phoenix S and if everything goes well I'm going to order another one for the V2.
I think 4S is the way to go.
You can never have too much power ;-)
See you in the Air!
Wow, lucky it wasn't in the air with a failure like that.
Hi Jack!
Yes, I was very happy this made it back to Terra Firma unharmed ;-)
I already had the Viper in the Body Shop for repairs so I didn't want another one.
It's getting a new 40A ESC with a 5.5V/5A BEC ;-)
Got to love the sound when motorless running.😎
Hehehe...I love that swoosh! sound when gliding close at speed.
These sport gliders are awesome!
The hinges on the control surfaces are the crushed foam AND proper hinges, from new they are very stiff and put unnecessary load on the servos and esc. I took a knife to mine and cut the foam and now rely on just the proper hinges, they are much easier to move and put much less load on the electrics, did you do this? I also have the 1600 version and they both fly really well, great planes.
Hi Dave!
Yes, I had removed most, but not all, of the foam hinge before the 1st flight.
I also worked the hinges back and forth to make sure there was no binding and little resistance.
According to their manual, the 30A Easy Plug ESC only has a 5V/3A BEC.
That's quite a load for a 3A BEC as I use my flaps as full span ailerons.
I'm going to replace it with a YEP 40A 5.5V/5A ESC.
That should handle it ;-)
I love this glider and I have the PhoenixS I need to put together.
I was wondering if the problem I had with mine was the ESC also. I was powering out to get over a patch of thermals when my radio all of a sudden went dead. The Phoenix looked amazing gliding without any control, unfortunately I lost it and in a non-recoverable location. At first I thought it was the receiver, but I have 3 other examples of the exact same receiver, pure gliders (non power) and no issues. The only thing I could think of is perhaps the ESC allowed too much current (under full power) to the receiver and fried it. I plan getting another Phoenix, but one without ESC and servos.
Hi Paul!
Yes, this is an awesome sport glider.
I'm sure what happened to mine was the Voltage Regulator on the ESC just couldn't supply the amps to operate (6) servos.
I should have checked to see how big the Voltage Regulator was on the Stock ESC before installing the Flaps.
I was also using the Flaps as full span ailerons so they were operating all the time.
That was just more than it could handle.
I replaced the Stock ESC with one that has a Voltage Regulator that can supply 5 amps rather than just 3 amps the stock ESC can supply.
I haven't had any problems since.
It's a shame you couldn't recover yours.
I try to get a kit whenever I can so I can install my own electronics like you're going to do.
Good luck and I'll See you in the Air!
@@GroundControlRC I may get another ARF Phoenix price wise it's only $40 difference between one with electronics and one without, though I would probably swap out the ESC.
@@paulayala4816 Hey Paul!
I think that's a good move.
The stock ESC is the weak link and all the other stock components have worked well.
I did find my stock motor is nice and smooth on 3S but on 4S it's got a harmonic vibration between 45%-55% throttle.
It's not as well balanced as most of my other motors.
I guess I'll have to stick to a 3S LIPO on that motor ;-)
See you in the Air!
Mine has been faultless so far, Well, I shouldave not said that,,, Ahahahaha!
Beauty GCRC, slick thing just hangs up there.
Great moves, Your stall top outs are Da Sheeeeeee Mate.
Thank you much Jono!
Yeah, once I say I haven't had any problems for a long time Murphy shows up and creates all kind of problems ;-)
I'm going to try and get this ready for launch again quickly so I can get it back in the air.
3 Months is a long time to not have flown it.
It's awesome!
you should take it up to 400ft shut off power and see how long you can keep it flying. try moving the cg aft for better performance.
Hey Rocky!
I'm going to have to take it up and follow those hawks some time. They know where those thermals are ;-)
Just a big graceful bird.
The system seemed to be operating all of the servos OK while the motor was under power. I wonder if you had a solder connection come loose or a wire break within it's insulation?
Sometimes you can give the receiver it's own battery pack for more reliability during high motor power draws. Maybe this one would benefit from such. A 4-pack of AAA alkalines for example
Hope the problem solves quickly and will as little hair loss as possible (we don't have so much to spare anymore!) ;-)
Happy flying!
Oi Mate!
Hope Your fully charged Friend!
Yes, fantastic sport glider.
I'm hoping it's just a connection somewhere on the ESC and it can be fixed.
I don't like losing components.
I'm going to be putting a YEP 40A ESC with a 5.5V/5A BEC in it though as I didn't realize the stock ESC just had a 5V/3A BEC.
Since I use my Flaps as Full Span Ailerons all 6 are activating all the time and 3A does not give me a warm fuzzy feeling ;-)
That may cause problems like over charge v good capacitor or designed for this sort of problems
Sorry I was ment to reply to the battery backup above this question ordinary battery may get over charge and cause a fire were v good capacitor is designed for power failure
Try a back up system for power failure they are V-Good RC Capacitor 16.7F 5-8.4v they will keep power to your servos for about 45 to 60 sec for controlled glide to the the ground
Hi Richard!
Thanks for that tip and I'll check into it.
See you in the Air!
@@GroundControlRC they hold a static voltage that won't interfere with the rest of the system it's a life saver especially if its worth a lot of money
@@richardhill2451 I found it listed on AliExpress and bookmarked it.
That's a pretty good idea.
I may have to pick one up for my larger gliders.
@@GroundControlRC that's what thought look it up on UA-cam there's is another brand out there and also look at the capacitor size they come in 25f /50f /80f / 100f the highest the longer the servo will have power 25f is not very good Ive bought to 50f and I tried one out i disconnected the battery on my m7 Mauel it lasted 45sec continuously using servos
Keep in mind 45sec continuously that's enough time to glide down to the ground and you wouldn't use the contantly so you should get over a 60sec to land you will no you have lost power because the motor will stop all so is you have telemetry on your Phoenix V2 you will no you have a power failure
Just love how the Volantex comes apart for transport. Have you tried moving the CG aft as it seems to like it for gliding. have you tried mixing down elevator with throtle when applying flaps for landing.You need to look into telemetry Especially current draw and on board voltage - will improve flight time....
Hi Rocky!
Yes, if these large gliders didn't break down I'd never get it in the truck ;-)
Yeah, I have some negative elevator dialed in with the flaps to keep it from nosing up when the flaps are deployed.
It's not nose heavy as I balance all of my planes, including this glider, with a neutral balance on my CG.
I'll have to experiment with moving the CG back more just to see.
Awesome glider and I have a blast every time I take it out except when the ESC quits on me ;-)
See you in the Air!
Hey, look on the bright side.. it failed after you got it on the ground! Many others have not been so lucky..
I've never heard an ESC clicking before failure.. Definately not a bad solder connection.. dry joint?
That thing has so much space and payload to spare you could run a dedicated lipo or nicad pack to power the servos and Rec for worry free Esc failures in future.
Maybe time to get the real sport glider.. the Conscendo Evo out... if you still have it?
Hi Paul!
Yes, I was lucky on this one after not being so lucky with the Viper.
I've never heard an ESC clicking like that either and at first I thought it was the TX but that certainly wasn't the case.
Yes, I still have the Conscendo and I'm not giving that one up ;-)
I'll be taking it out again soon with a 4S again.
The only way to fly it ;-)
I didn't take it out because I'm looking for a solution on the folding prop.
Sometimes when I shut off the throttle to glide one of the props will fall so far forward it won't kick back when I apply throttle.
It much be a flaw with the metal alloy spinner assembly I put on it.
It sounded like it was going to rip the motor out of the housing.
I need to put some stops on it so that doesn't happen again.
I have a question ? How do these folding props go on ?
There's a wide variety of ways these folding props will mount. Some use a collett that's built into the spinner, some use a cross mount, and some will mount directly to the motor. I have all (3) types of mounts as it depends on the type of motor and size of the motor shaft.
@@GroundControlRC The ones that mount directly to the motor. Do you need to add adhesive to make sure it does not come off ?
@@thetwogardens6048 The ones that mount directly to the motor are the ones I have that came with the plane. The motor has matching screw holes that match the spinner. I think my Conscendo EVO Sport Glider came that way. I did replace that plastic spinner with a collett type metal alloy spinner for the 4mm shaft that motor has. As long as you have a collett mount type assembly that matches the diameter of the motor shaft it should work assuming the shaft is long enough.
Thanks for Information. Esc failure is not so funny.👍
You're right, not funny, no power means your receiver can't even fail-safe to save the plane.
I've never had issues with ESCs until recently.
I hope these issues are gone for a while ;-)
See you in the Air!
Capacitor back up system will work for power failure keeping power to servos for glide down
These were famous for crappy escs & servos back when the company was called Lanyu
I guess nothing has changed
I bought my 1600 Phoenix without electronics & used my own .
Yes, I looked up the BEC on the Volantex 30A Easy Plug ESC, which is what I believe this is, and it only has a 5V/3A BEC which is pretty marginal for 6 Servos especially since my Flaps are used as Full Span Ailerons when not engaged as Flaps.
All 6 of my Servos are constantly activating during flight.
I'll have to go over the ESC to make sure there's no loose connections and hopefully that's what it is.
I do have the PhoenixS I purchased as a kit so I'll be putting my own electronics in it.