WE ARE IN THE RUGBY CHAMPIONSHIP. WE MUST STAY THERE, ITS TRADITION. The tri-nations are SA, AUS and NZ, that tradition was already broken when Argentina joined in. If there's any team that has to leave the championship then its Argentina, they are terrible at the moment. We are from the Southern Hemisphere so we must play in a Southern Hemisphere competition. All the tradition will break down if we move to the six nations because then we won't get to play the all blacks twice every year anymore and the boks and all blacks have a great rivalry we must stay with them and AUS in the championship. The Rugby Championship is nothing when the boks aren't there. If the boks leave, then the rugby championship will fall apart.
I agree that tradition is important, but we do need to look to enhance the game. My issue with this is that it seems the 6 Nations are ignoring the rest of Europe. For the growth of the game, you have to create pathways for 2nd tier nations to have exposure and opportunity's to play against those other teams!
@@DownloadARevolt20 nothing shameful, I agree. However, I enjoy the SH, NH games twice yearly. I don't know how that's going to work. Although our Afrikaans boys are a mixture of Europeans, namely, Dutch, German and French, they are South African and belong in the SH.
The problem with South Africa joining is that their isn’t an important rivalry between any of the 6N teams and South Africa. Take England for example, their most important rivalry in rough order are: Wales, Scotland, France, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, Italy, Argentina. I would think that is the same for the other 6N teams, SA doesn’t rank high on the rivalry list in Europe. The other issue is that the reason the 6N matches are so atmospheric and intense is the away fans, Scotland to Italy is a short budget flight that many fans can afford. Flying to SA is time consuming and expensive and most fans are not going to make the effort. Better SA stay with their natural rivals in NZ and Australia.
I agree again with you, these rivalries have been created over 100 years, with the added spice for each game, makes for one of the most exciting tournaments in the world. As you say, the cost of travelling to SA would be crazy and tough for many fans!
A bad idea it means that rugby has sold its soul. How soon before the Aussies and Kiwis want in then Argentina and then demands that the British Isles only field the 1 team just like football.
To an extent I agree, where will the line stop. I'm all for progression but I do think we need to assess the option in Europe before looking further afield
@@brianmcsweeney9401 Sorry..... Geographically you don't the archipelago of the British Isles includes Ireland. Politically I fully agree with you and a united Ireland just as much as I want to see a Independent Scotland but even if/when both happen a Independent Scotland along with Ireland will still be parts of the British Isles just as we are both part of the Continent of Europe.
Not likely as Andrew Mehrtens of NZ had been pushing for years for South Africa to be excluded from Super Rugby and for Pacific Island teams to be included. His dream was finally realised much to our dismay. NZ definitely won't be joining 6 Nations ✌🇿🇦
The 6 Nations tournament doesn't need a team from the southern hemisphere. Ok for Georgia, Roumania but Sprinboks should'nt never integre this European tournament... It's just for business. Fu--ing business...
100% agree, there needs to be a pathway for these 2nd tier European Nations to be able to compete at the very top. If SA do come in then we are truly closing the door to these sides
I agree with your concerns about the development of the game in Europe, but isn't this a possible catalyst to promote European Rugby? I think that the best solution is to have something like a 12 nations in two pools with promotion relegation as is found in many sports including regional rugby competitions. I am firstly a rugby supporter and secondly an SA supporter and any idea that grows the game will get my vote. The world moves on and I have a huge problem with traditionalists, after all those traditions came from radical new ideas - lets not get bogged down on the countries and try and make the decisions that are good for the growth of the game.
It was an idea that was flirted with for a long time, a couple of years ago. I don't think we are too far away from potentially seeing that. It would be something to be excited about, and we could see the same in the southern hemisphere as well!
I think they should stay in the SH tournaments, 6 Nations has historically been European... Plus, SA fans have a tendency to whine and moan about every decision that doesn't go their way, I'd hate to see more of that in the 6 Nations. Rassie the water boy would throw his rattle out of his pram every week.
There may be a video by Eassie himself on the way I think the fact you mention European is the key element, if the tournament is to expand how is it fair that teams like Georgia, Romania miss out on SA can come in
@@BSRUGBY 100%. I just don't think it would be beneficial for the sport. There's plenty of quality and rivalry in the 6N and the same with the rugby championship. Just unnecessary in my opinion!
There's absolutely no need to insult our Bokke or Rassie. How about you make a valid point. I wish money would take a back seat to fans feelings because I would want us (SA), to have minimum contact with England or their fans✌🇿🇦
@@wot4922 There is when they consistently discredit the sport. I can just picture the moaning every week about decisions, just like there was after the SA v England match in the autumn. Don’t get me wrong, I know you’re obviously not all like that but the rugby culture over there is very warped in comparison and wouldn’t fit with the 6N
@@joeboonmusic4004 I'm part of the rugby culture in South Africa and there's nothing warped about it. We're just very passionate, loud people. Stop believing all the crap your media puts out. The Bokke never moan. Our provincial sides never moan. Rassie does. Why shouldn't he? If our teams being treated badly, why must any of us shut up.
It will destroy the ethos of 6N. Completely the wrong move. If we need a comp with other teas in, start a new one dont spoil the best comp in the world. Autumn nations would be nice though
If another team are to join 6N then it should another European team like Georgia, to make it 7N, this will promote competition. And there should relegation and promotion to the Rugby Europe Championship.
My opinion is money was going to be a reason and I do feel sorry for itlay but I feel once the SA teams got into the urc there was going to be talk about the springboks my question is the under 20 itlay side does better then the main side. I understand the history of the rugby championship but SA in my opinion Don't need the likes off new Zealand, Australia to help them grow I feel a good way they could keep the connection with new Zealand and Australia do a tour series between the rugby championship sides in the summer and also the North tour the tier 2 but unfortunately the money will lead the way in my opinion. Cvc and 6 nations wouldn't listen to the fans as along as money is involved
Ye I think we have both said that for a long time. We talked about the issues with SA investment into the European game. I think your right in terms of the money, the money talks especially after the pandemic. I do think however that The Rugby Championship should remain, with the lies of Fiji/Japan to join would be exciting!
@@BSRUGBY again money would say as well would SA want to travel to Japan with time zone issues. I do see a rugby championship with Japan etc involved but I think it will do done to if SA does switch tournaments plus you are forgetting about the pumas they are being left out again. Since the old super rugby feel to bits
Rugby is driven by money, which is sadly necessary. Games against SA would attract much more spectators than Italy. And SA would be a strong contender for the title so the competition would be that much more interesting.. I’m honestly in favor but there remains the question of how second tier teams can improve. In my opinion it’s not by being integrated in 6N or such… Edit : latest news say it would be a 7 nations with Italy still in there. That would make a mega wooden spoon ? Grand slams would be that much more difficult !
Its an interesting point you make Alexis, and looking at Italy, it hasn't worked. I think there needs to be pathway and a progression for 2nd tier teams in Europe, and right now there isn't, hence why they fail at RWC. There would be so much money to make from having SA in the 6 Nations so you can understand why the Unions would want it
@@BSRUGBY the rugby fan in me is pretty excited at the idea of recurrent games vs SA, there are too little confrontations between the giants of the north and those of the south
The Bokke is the only team in the world that brings out the worst in the fans of other teams. As a South African and a totally loyal Bok fan, I would like to know why ? Have you all been so brain washed by western media that you cannot believe that anything good can come out of Africa. I'd like your opinions please and talking about the Boks style of play is not going to cut it with regards to the resentment as we all know that our Bokke can change their style of play before you can say " Bob's you're uncle" 🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦
I disagree, I don't dislike SA at all. In fact if it were NZ I wouldn't want them to to join the Six Nations. The 6 Nations in my opinion, is a European competition and taking SA in would of ignored the emerging nations and ignoring the potential growth of rugby in Europe. I love the Saffas and wish them all the best!
@@BSRUGBY hi. I totally agree with your sentiments about 6 Nations. Only Europen teams should participate. I was talking about all the resentment our team receives with regards to whatever game they play ✌🇿🇦
Certainly the Springboks style of play has attracted criticism from pundits and fans but it’s not confined the the NH, NZ and Australia have hardly complemented it. NH media isn’t denigrating Africa, stop playing the victim or seeking offence where there isn’t any As for Bok fans, I’ve met plenty of great ones however there is a vocal minority who are not interested in discussing rugby but more interested certainly on social media in grandising their team and their own players, slating other teams, players discipline whilst disregarding their own side’s actions. Blaming refs for loses isn’t a good look either however this is a minority. This narrative of some fans that the NH is anti Boks is really getting boring. If other fans or journalists don’t like the Boks style so what, why should it bother you what a podcast says about the Boks in say Ireland or elsewhere, your own rugby media is hardly shy of criticising others. Just ignore it support your team and stop getting offended if other fans don’t agree with your opinion
To be honest no I don't. They wouldn't be competitive at all and it would be the same situation as they find themselves in the Six Nations. I could see them joining the European Rugby Championship!
I have a SA background. The 6N should stay a European competition. SA would only win it every year, otherwise. That would be boring. Better idea would to make a Rest Of Europe team instead of Italy. Such a team would still be 50% Italian probably - but combined with Georgia, Spain, Portugal, Romania etc would have more of a chance to be competitive.
I'm not sure if they would win it every year, but they would certainly be up there! Tbh I can't see a rest of Europe team. I think that would mess with RWC and the authenticity of the competition. I agree that the competition needs to stay European!
As a South African, I agree. 6 Nations should be a European competition. Include another European team. Our boys should stay in the SH ✌🇿🇦
SH continues to dominate rugby.Much love to NZ,Aussies, Argentina and Boks.This is how we all stay in tip top performance.
WE ARE IN THE RUGBY CHAMPIONSHIP. WE MUST STAY THERE, ITS TRADITION. The tri-nations are SA, AUS and NZ, that tradition was already broken when Argentina joined in. If there's any team that has to leave the championship then its Argentina, they are terrible at the moment. We are from the Southern Hemisphere so we must play in a Southern Hemisphere competition. All the tradition will break down if we move to the six nations because then we won't get to play the all blacks twice every year anymore and the boks and all blacks have a great rivalry we must stay with them and AUS in the championship. The Rugby Championship is nothing when the boks aren't there. If the boks leave, then the rugby championship will fall apart.
I agree that tradition is important, but we do need to look to enhance the game. My issue with this is that it seems the 6 Nations are ignoring the rest of Europe. For the growth of the game, you have to create pathways for 2nd tier nations to have exposure and opportunity's to play against those other teams!
@@DownloadARevolt20 Agreed especially Wales haha
Argentina isn't terrible at all, they even beat the all blacks
@@DownloadARevolt20 nothing shameful, I agree. However, I enjoy the SH, NH games twice yearly. I don't know how that's going to work. Although our Afrikaans boys are a mixture of Europeans, namely, Dutch, German and French, they are South African and belong in the SH.
Watch along on Saturday for the URC
Yes for Ospreys v Leinster. If the weather doesn't cancel it!
The problem with South Africa joining is that their isn’t an important rivalry between any of the 6N teams and South Africa. Take England for example, their most important rivalry in rough order are: Wales, Scotland, France, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, Italy, Argentina. I would think that is the same for the other 6N teams, SA doesn’t rank high on the rivalry list in Europe. The other issue is that the reason the 6N matches are so atmospheric and intense is the away fans, Scotland to Italy is a short budget flight that many fans can afford. Flying to SA is time consuming and expensive and most fans are not going to make the effort. Better SA stay with their natural rivals in NZ and Australia.
I agree again with you, these rivalries have been created over 100 years, with the added spice for each game, makes for one of the most exciting tournaments in the world. As you say, the cost of travelling to SA would be crazy and tough for many fans!
A bad idea it means that rugby has sold its soul. How soon before the Aussies and Kiwis want in then Argentina and then demands that the British Isles only field the 1 team just like football.
To an extent I agree, where will the line stop. I'm all for progression but I do think we need to assess the option in Europe before looking further afield
Sorry......I live on the Irish Isles. 🍀
@@brianmcsweeney9401 Sorry..... Geographically you don't the archipelago of the British Isles includes Ireland. Politically I fully agree with you and a united Ireland just as much as I want to see a Independent Scotland but even if/when both happen a Independent Scotland along with Ireland will still be parts of the British Isles just as we are both part of the Continent of Europe.
Not likely as Andrew Mehrtens of NZ had been pushing for years for South Africa to be excluded from Super Rugby and for Pacific Island teams to be included. His dream was finally realised much to our dismay. NZ definitely won't be joining 6 Nations ✌🇿🇦
The 6 Nations tournament doesn't need a team from the southern hemisphere. Ok for Georgia, Roumania but Sprinboks should'nt never integre this European tournament... It's just for business. Fu--ing business...
100% agree, there needs to be a pathway for these 2nd tier European Nations to be able to compete at the very top. If SA do come in then we are truly closing the door to these sides
Just found this channel, keep up the good work mate👏
Welcome aboard!
I agree with your concerns about the development of the game in Europe, but isn't this a possible catalyst to promote European Rugby? I think that the best solution is to have something like a 12 nations in two pools with promotion relegation as is found in many sports including regional rugby competitions. I am firstly a rugby supporter and secondly an SA supporter and any idea that grows the game will get my vote. The world moves on and I have a huge problem with traditionalists, after all those traditions came from radical new ideas - lets not get bogged down on the countries and try and make the decisions that are good for the growth of the game.
It was an idea that was flirted with for a long time, a couple of years ago. I don't think we are too far away from potentially seeing that. It would be something to be excited about, and we could see the same in the southern hemisphere as well!
I think they should stay in the SH tournaments, 6 Nations has historically been European... Plus, SA fans have a tendency to whine and moan about every decision that doesn't go their way, I'd hate to see more of that in the 6 Nations. Rassie the water boy would throw his rattle out of his pram every week.
There may be a video by Eassie himself on the way
I think the fact you mention European is the key element, if the tournament is to expand how is it fair that teams like Georgia, Romania miss out on SA can come in
@@BSRUGBY 100%. I just don't think it would be beneficial for the sport. There's plenty of quality and rivalry in the 6N and the same with the rugby championship. Just unnecessary in my opinion!
There's absolutely no need to insult our Bokke or Rassie. How about you make a valid point. I wish money would take a back seat to fans feelings because I would want us (SA), to have minimum contact with England or their fans✌🇿🇦
@@wot4922 There is when they consistently discredit the sport. I can just picture the moaning every week about decisions, just like there was after the SA v England match in the autumn. Don’t get me wrong, I know you’re obviously not all like that but the rugby culture over there is very warped in comparison and wouldn’t fit with the 6N
@@joeboonmusic4004 I'm part of the rugby culture in South Africa and there's nothing warped about it. We're just very passionate, loud people. Stop believing all the crap your media puts out. The Bokke never moan. Our provincial sides never moan. Rassie does. Why shouldn't he? If our teams being treated badly, why must any of us shut up.
It will destroy the ethos of 6N. Completely the wrong move.
If we need a comp with other teas in, start a new one dont spoil the best comp in the world. Autumn nations would be nice though
!00% agree and I think keeping it for the Autumns is best!
If another team are to join 6N then it should another European team like Georgia, to make it 7N, this will promote competition. And there should relegation and promotion to the Rugby Europe Championship.
I agree I think we need to see that progression for the countries in tier 2 Europe
Its a European competition. Italy shouldn't be shafted.
Agreed a European competition
If you are going to expand then it should be for a European side with progression for those 2nd tier sides in mind
It took France 60 years to win a grand slam also what will happen to the Southern hemisphere competition
I think if they were added in they would do it a little quicker haha, but I don't think they would come in and just win it for sure!
My opinion is money was going to be a reason and I do feel sorry for itlay but I feel once the SA teams got into the urc there was going to be talk about the springboks my question is the under 20 itlay side does better then the main side. I understand the history of the rugby championship but SA in my opinion Don't need the likes off new Zealand, Australia to help them grow I feel a good way they could keep the connection with new Zealand and Australia do a tour series between the rugby championship sides in the summer and also the North tour the tier 2 but unfortunately the money will lead the way in my opinion. Cvc and 6 nations wouldn't listen to the fans as along as money is involved
Ye I think we have both said that for a long time. We talked about the issues with SA investment into the European game. I think your right in terms of the money, the money talks especially after the pandemic. I do think however that The Rugby Championship should remain, with the lies of Fiji/Japan to join would be exciting!
@@BSRUGBY again money would say as well would SA want to travel to Japan with time zone issues. I do see a rugby championship with Japan etc involved but I think it will do done to if SA does switch tournaments plus you are forgetting about the pumas they are being left out again. Since the old super rugby feel to bits
The rugby championship was a failure from the start. The flight east destroys a team. Their flights west were not nearly as bad.
Rugby is driven by money, which is sadly necessary. Games against SA would attract much more spectators than Italy. And SA would be a strong contender for the title so the competition would be that much more interesting.. I’m honestly in favor but there remains the question of how second tier teams can improve. In my opinion it’s not by being integrated in 6N or such…
Edit : latest news say it would be a 7 nations with Italy still in there.
That would make a mega wooden spoon ? Grand slams would be that much more difficult !
Its an interesting point you make Alexis, and looking at Italy, it hasn't worked. I think there needs to be pathway and a progression for 2nd tier teams in Europe, and right now there isn't, hence why they fail at RWC. There would be so much money to make from having SA in the 6 Nations so you can understand why the Unions would want it
@@BSRUGBY the rugby fan in me is pretty excited at the idea of recurrent games vs SA, there are too little confrontations between the giants of the north and those of the south
Dont you think the Boks participating in the 6 or 7 nations will only improve the quality of rugby in the Northern hemisphere?
The Bokke is the only team in the world that brings out the worst in the fans of other teams. As a South African and a totally loyal Bok fan, I would like to know why ? Have you all been so brain washed by western media that you cannot believe that anything good can come out of Africa. I'd like your opinions please and talking about the Boks style of play is not going to cut it with regards to the resentment as we all know that our Bokke can change their style of play before you can say " Bob's you're uncle" 🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦
I disagree, I don't dislike SA at all. In fact if it were NZ I wouldn't want them to to join the Six Nations. The 6 Nations in my opinion, is a European competition and taking SA in would of ignored the emerging nations and ignoring the potential growth of rugby in Europe. I love the Saffas and wish them all the best!
@@BSRUGBY hi. I totally agree with your sentiments about 6 Nations. Only Europen teams should participate. I was talking about all the resentment our team receives with regards to whatever game they play ✌🇿🇦
Certainly the Springboks style of play has attracted criticism from pundits and fans but it’s not confined the the NH, NZ and Australia have hardly complemented it. NH media isn’t denigrating Africa, stop playing the victim or seeking offence where there isn’t any
As for Bok fans, I’ve met plenty of great ones however there is a vocal minority who are not interested in discussing rugby but more interested certainly on social media in grandising their team and their own players, slating other teams, players discipline whilst disregarding their own side’s actions. Blaming refs for loses isn’t a good look either however this is a minority.
This narrative of some fans that the NH is anti Boks is really getting boring.
If other fans or journalists don’t like the Boks style so what, why should it bother you what a podcast says about the Boks in say Ireland or elsewhere, your own rugby media is hardly shy of criticising others. Just ignore it support your team and stop getting offended if other fans don’t agree with your opinion
Do you think Italy 🇮🇹 would go to the Rugby Championship?
To be honest no I don't. They wouldn't be competitive at all and it would be the same situation as they find themselves in the Six Nations. I could see them joining the European Rugby Championship!
I have a SA background. The 6N should stay a European competition. SA would only win it every year, otherwise. That would be boring. Better idea would to make a Rest Of Europe team instead of Italy. Such a team would still be 50% Italian probably - but combined with Georgia, Spain, Portugal, Romania etc would have more of a chance to be competitive.
I'm not sure if they would win it every year, but they would certainly be up there! Tbh I can't see a rest of Europe team. I think that would mess with RWC and the authenticity of the competition. I agree that the competition needs to stay European!