How South Africa Broke Rugby In The Southern Hemisphere...
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Reigning World Cup champions South Africa have established global connections, which are slowly turning into a tug-of-war between the Southern and Northern Hemisphere.
With the strength of domestic and schoolboy rugby in South Africa, it's simple to see why everyone wants a piece of South African rugby.
Although, a lot of damage has already been caused to Australia, New Zealand and Argentina, with more possibly on the way.
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The South African perspective: the reason why we left the Super Rugby Comp was initiated 100% by NZ, who raised various reasons why they thought Super Rugby should change in ways that would entirely be unsuitable for SA Rugby. That this was done without consulting their South African counterparts smacked of arrogance and a willingness by NZ Rugby to get rid of SA Rugby. The sacrifices SA Rugby had to overcome every season to be part of the Super Rugby comp was never acknowledged by NZ or Aus. In fact, it often felt as if they were doing SA a favor to allow us to be part of the comp, notwithstanding the fact that SA provided the lions' share of income. When news arrived our shore of NZ's plans to do away with us, South African Rugby acted swiftly; this was obviously done to keep our own rugby alive. That we were quickly accepted by the Northern rugby organizations validated our contribution to world rugby, something the Southern Nations never did.
Hit the nail on the head. The arrogance of NZ rugby will ultimately lead them to ruin
EDIT: To all the people that have been replying to me over the past couple months telling me I don't know what I'm talking about, so do you finally see it? The bok thrashing at Twickenham a couple weeks ago and the ARROGANT response from some of your pundits? What about last night in the opening game against France? What excuses will you guys have now? The fact of the matter is that New Zealand is no longer the all conquering All Blacks of years gone by, other teams have figured them out. The sooner you guys figure that out and adjust accordingly the sooner you will be back to dominating.
nice fairytale none of it is true though. SA rugby left because they saw dollars in the North, end of story.
@@EpicTyme Not true, but at the end of the day does it really matter.🤷🏼♂️ You guys really miss us, playing against Fiji and Samoa isn’t really the same, you guys miss our South African physicality.🇿🇦
@@EpicTyme We DID follow the money, pounds, not dollars, but only after were shown the door, follow the timeline before posting fairytales
Truth be told SA leaving super rugby was in the mix for as long as I can remember. The pandemic helped with that too. While it did leave a huge gap with the departure of SA teams it no doubt the competitive of the competition has declined. But in saying that it has open up an opportunity for the likes of Japan, the pacific nations and Argentina to step in and step up. I don't think rugby down south has got worse but more so slowly evolving. And soon to follow the competitive nature of the super rugby competition. The way I see it , it a win for SA to go north and a win for southern hemisphere rugby nations.
As an Exeter fan, it was really cool seeing them play both the Stormers and Bulls. I was initially sceptical in having them in the Champions cup but it’s made the entire game up North way more competitive.
glad to hear! I had no idea what to expect and I must say, I'm really exited by how different AND the same the North & South games are. Also nice to touch base with all the saffa players in the various clubs up there, giving a good account of themselves. Only good can come of this
I think it was a good decision.....the Super Rugby competition favoured NZ and Aus teams. SA Rugby shoulx take the next step and play in the Six NTions comp.
@@hofmeyrscholtz1069thank your lucky stars that we went North due to circumstance, now the Northern hemisphere has a chance at winning the world cup, namely Ireland and France
@@douglasholwill1625We can't decouple completely from our rivals NZ, otherwise the southern hemisphere is finished.. us included. Which makes no sense down the long stretch
Hopefully we can get the pacific island teams in there too make it one big national competition
True, mate. And as far as ticket sales go, we just had under 50k people in Cape Town stadium for the URC semis. It was magical!
@jacquesfourie4825 And the reason you guys had less sale tickets in super Rugby is because no body wants to watch losers
Well summarised. Objective and unbiased. As a South African we don’t miss playing Australian teams, who had very little interest in Super Rugby themselves.
We miss playing the NZ teams and will always have a connection hopefully.
I don't see many SA fans bemoaning the move. SR never benefitted SA, NZ media particularly was the worst thing to stomach. After 2025 I don't see a renewed contract, unless a complete overhaul occurs within NZ. John Kerwin,Andrew Mertins and many other pundits ruined the product
i honestly feel this URC is a step-up for us and then the heineken cup - i was amazed at how professional & impressive those teams were in the quarter-finals..really something else
Well said 🤝
@@RicksPhatPharm-vw2lb you don't see it? I've stopped watching rugby in its entirety since we left!
@@lm_b5080 it's crap, I have no interest in URC, I've stopped watching rugby in fact since super rugby stopped, that was the best.
Each country should host Rugby championship where ALL the games are played in that country. So every 4 years your country gets a chance to host
Great idea, a proper Southern championship
Such a good idea my man. It would give me a really great excuse to visit the Republic more often
Brilliant idea. Would be great to include Japan as well.
Great idea.
"As a hotel owner, I agree."
As a South African rugby fan I can say you've 100% nailed it why the RSA left Super Rugby. Sadly Super Rugby died a slow and predictable death.
Like the endless titles in the UK event by the same 3 clubs?
@@nzfreeski yet its not "dying a slow and predictable death" in the UK.
@@jacodas3983 But it IS predictable and with some clubs dying up there. I do like the tiny stadiums that hold only 14,000 average attendance in that comp. Our large stadiums Downunder that hold 40-60,000 look employ with 10-14,000 people.
@@nzfreeski Why the Reds didn't just build Ballymore into a boutique 16-18,000 stadium I have no idea!
Australia and New Zealand Rugby League is now the more popular sport Super Rugby doesnt draw a crowd anymore.
As a Saffa, it was great playing the Kiwis & Aussies, but the Super rugby didn't help us at all. The time zone, travel, etc was a killer. It didn't really work for us. RSA made the right choice. Without doubt the north will benefit and have a better rugby game, something we must watch.
Remember the time zone thing was a double-edged sword. I used to set an alarm clock to watch Reds games in SA. Some were 3am. We all had to "suffer".
The time zone thing was over rated. I think it's much worse having 5 or 6 15-hour flights to the North a season in economy class via Doha compared to one 4 or 5 week tour of Australasia.
SA clubs teams are fucked either way with brutal travel schedules and timezones. I don't know what the solution is as you can't do anything about either.
A Saffa may be able to explain this, but wasn't there lots of travel to Europe this season that had to go via Dubai? Only adding more to the geographic and timezones madness.
SA teams could maybe look for a base in Europe for the season, but that isn't exactly good for home supporters. Although at a push I would suggest Germany as it has plenty of excellent stadiums, great transport links and no issues with teams in the tournaments/league's.
The only other place I could see happening would be Dubai. A soulless place, but it is a wash with money for making things like that happen, for better or worse 🤷
@@Cheeeesseee3678 what time zones? SA teams are travelling longitudinally north to south on almost the same meridian. That is far better than latitudinally east to west.
@@wildebeest88 All SA teams weren't on direct SA to Europe flights, were they? I thought they went via Doha. Either way, my main point is just that SA are geographically in a bit of a shit position to compete in either of the two top tier areas of club competition
I flew from South Africa to Australia once in my life. It seemed like days just to get there, but I didn't care, because I was so excited, but going home and remembering how long it takes was depressing. Imagine doing that twice a month and rarely win overseas.
The flight from Joberg to Perth is shorter than from there to the UK. The time zone thing is more valid though, along with the money in Europe.
@tallaganda83 I guess you are right. We had to fly via Dubai. 17 hour flight. Eish.
@@tallaganda83 Only one SA team could fly from Joburg direct - the Lions. The rest had to take transits from their respective cities to Joburg, which added an extra three hours commute to the trip in the case of the Cape Town and Durban teams. This is not mentioning the fact that Perth only hosted one Super Rugby team - Western Force, which didn't even compete in 2017-19. Eastern Australia hosted the rest, which added even more time to trips.
yeah that would suck, solution win more, it was always a doomed comp arrogant kiwis, whinging low skilled african teams only one decent ozzie franchise can't be much fun being made to look like schoolboys every time the crusaders came town. Tian Strauss! wouldn't hear that boy crying and whinging like you sooks and he had real ticker
Depressing is living in that shit hole country … explains why a shit load of your saffa compatriots move to Australia
I reckon South Africa will join an expanded Six Nations (maybe with Georgia too), and Japan will join up with SAANZAR for financial reasons and to guarantee Japan quality games). So instead of a Northern v Southern hemisphere split, it will become Western v Eastern.
As an Irishman and Leinster fan, I love the fact that the Saffers have joined the URC. It has made the competition for stronger and encouraged new international rivalries.
To be named JAANZAR?. Aus and nz would be the beneficiaries time zone wise ?
As a Saffa I love it too! Cheers!
I can't say an expanded six nations is good right now. Just yet. For rugby as a sport. It's important to make sure that the western sides rugby builds up before South Africa leave. And that starts with first, Argentina and SA being in the same comp. With that, soon hopefully Fiji, Japan, join in the rugby championship. And later on America and Canada if they grow fast enough. Which at that point, if the game closes up, South Africa can go uo north to Europe for good. The southern hemisphere at the moment need money. And have none of it. NZ have a bit, but Rugby is dying in NZ due to many reasons. Rugby as a sport will die worldwide if SA join the six nations. It may be good for South African rugby short term. But long term it's Ludacris and rugby as a sport will die
@@DJ-ce3hq Rugby wont be dying any time in coming decades. It may be weakening in NZ a bit due to the lack of SA teams in Super Rugby but there is no way that it will die there. NZ and Aus made a massive mistake by treating SA the way that they did. SA also had money problems for a few years but with the competitions up north the money is flooding back in again. There is a good chance that Argentina will go the way of SA and start an American competition with the US and Canada and possibly another team. Rugby is growing quite quickly in the US and the US have huge money to fund it as well. It just isn't as big a pro sport as American Football yet. At university level it is growing massively in the US and has been since the 1990s. I predict that in years to come, NZ will generally become a weaker team challenging for 3rd spot in world rankings and I reckon the US will move into the top 6. The biggest threat to rugby as a whole right now are the fat twats sitting in the UK making up rules that make the game more and more like soccer and American football. Eventually you'll be redcarded if you don't massage your opponent's shoulders and kiss him better after a tackle.
@@seanjohnson5893 I disagree. If South Africa move too soon. Rugbt's chances of growing aren't as high. They can move sometime in the future but rugby's growth may be halted and soon die
Another class video.
Yeah, It was a no brainer in the end for them but you lay the push/pull factors in a really easy to understand way. Thanks Uggy. It adds an extra layer of interest and spice to the Rugby Championship this year.
The crowd sizes at each URC game speaks volumes to the validity of their decision.
Thank you sir! Comment touched my heart. I think Sanzaar is desperate for South Africa not to win the Rugby Championship. Definitely a point to prove. I’m pretty keen to cover everything rugby championship, super rugby’s really unveiled some new talent too!
Who cares what sanzor or who ever says where they should go we want to hear from the south Africa players them self if they should stay in super rugby or go to the northern hemisphere if they won't to go then let it be I don't think for a doubt that new Zealand rugby will fall we just keep getting better if the northern hemisphere and nrl stop stealing ow mighty rugby players
@@uggy You're welcome Uggy. It is going to be a great year. I look forward to more of your content.
@@eugenewharawhara9420what 😂 the arrogance of some of you kiwis is ridiculous. You keep getting better yeah? Is that why you’re team has regularly regressed every year since 2015 and the popularity of the sport is on the decline as well? You don’t realise it yet because you’ve not hit the bottom but new zealand rugby is on the same path as Australian rugby sadly, just 10 years further back
@@jakeclough8090 only that arrogance is you
Spot on re all the issues of Super rugby. I also believe SA were frustrated that their player base is so large yet they just couldn't seem to win SR titles. It's a very difficult thing to understand, but the travel and timezone thing must play a major impact on performances. Personally, i think SA rugbys done the right thing for themselves and in doing so, possibly exposed just how reliant NZ and Oz have been on them for almost 30 years
Really well said! To be honest, I’m guilty of underestimating just how important South Africa was to keeping quality in super rugby. Would be interesting to compare finance before & after South Africa’s exit.
This is hillarious. South Africa as a nation has been on the decline and is slowly decaying politically. Another thing that wasnt mentioned in this video is the security concerns Rugby Australia and New Zealand have had due to the massive amounts of crime. Covid was the icing on the cake. South Africa were reliant on NZ and OZ.
South Africa reliant on Aus/NZ? Bwahahaha.... 😂
As a Saffa, it is all about our weak currency. From about 2002 the writing was on the wall but players stayed for the 2007 WC especially because it lead up to the 2009 Lions tour. After that the floodgates opened as the trickle to play in Europe and elsewhere become a flood.
If we had a stable and valuable currency, chances are that things would never have changed.
A big issue was that many of SA's top players played abroad. Half the Bok squad was made up of players playing overseas. Financially the local franchises couldn't afford our own players anymore
Bro what a quality video man…
I won’t lie I watched the Breakdown every week and I wish you heard how they complained day in day out about how much it’s a drag playing against South African sides and how much of a logistical nightmare it is. They were borderline saying they’re doing us a favour by keeping us in the tournament, I remember when they axed the cheetahs and kings about lack of competitiveness coming from the respective teams we had to suck it up and accept it, same thing happened to the Force.
When SA and Oz complained about the Blues not competing they simply refused and we had to accept it.
Nz rugby always wanted things to go their way and we had accept it, now that SA rugby left they’ve realized that they made a mistake they were even worried that Oz was going to jump ship and they were negotiating for them to stay…
I hope New Zealand know that they’re not that guy anymore
But thanks for the great video man
Thank you ❤️ made my day! And agree NZRU has had so much pull and sway in the past, will be an interesting landscape in world rugby moving forward!
Great video Uggy.
This is the first time I have watched you and will do from now on .
After this weekend Super Rugby has lost me with the utter rubbish being played. I'm a rugby tragic like millions and have watched the A Bs in 7 countries.
The nen at the top of the NZRFU have had too much to say like the RFU in England.
Now the chickens have come home to roost and our CEO is not up to the job either.
SA have made their decision and good for them.
I have either been a player or spectator for close to 80 years and what is taking place right now worldwide in rugby is a bloody disgrace. UK teams going broke and very soon one will see say 4 teams in the UK, Ireland and Wales and say 8 in France.
Those running rugby have made such a mess as they have done in NZ and Australia.
Club rugby in NZ and Australia has no backup anymore. Super Rugby and the national teams take the cake and very little cream for women's and kids footy .
I say clean out the top and start again folks.
@@rosstuck3927 welcome to the channel sir!
@@uggy Looking forward to your latest blog Uggy...... I am known by Tucky more than Ross... God bless 🙏 you footy tragic
@@rosstuck3927 cheers Tucky! I’ll remember that
Good synopsis mate ... yep, as a Kiwi living in Australia I can't blame SA one bit for moving to play in more favourable time zones up north. All that travel was a killer. Great for Northern Hemisphere rugby as well, as you say ... we'll struggle on and hopefully still surprise the big NH guns later in the year.
And if you lose you'll just blame Ian Foster haha
Absolutely Correct. Do the traveling and come play us ??? See what happens
Good video. As a South African, I wasn't keen on the idea of leaving Super Rugby and we started seeing the impact it had on the Southern Hemi teams. I didn't mind losing to NZ teams as the competition kept the South strong but with the time zones I barely got to watch the NZ and Pumas games, the league had been changing formats so many times with the additional teams, my team (Stormers) was spiraling and I eventually started losing interest. Covid really played an impact on how much we missed sport once it was all gone, so now many of us don't take it for granted anymore. With us Joining the URC, its sparked a new interest out of curiosity, the teams all looked competitive, the teams have different styles of play and the Rugby became entertaining to watch, suddenly my team ends up in the Finals and wins the damn league in the first season with an all South African Final, insane... The Stormers actually won a major trophy!! That final was not only great for the Stormers fans but for the whole of SA, the stadiums are getting packed, the love for the game is back and that was a big wake up call to the rest of the Northern teams in the league to show that its not a one horse race anymore and there's new healthy competition in the league. Fast forward to the present, and we back with another Stormers finals only this time against Munster and OMG... not only the city of Cape Town but the Country is buzzing, many local rival fans are flying down to watch the game live and It's so good to see that we sold out a 55 000 seat stadium within 3 hours of tickets being released. Would I like to return to Super Rugby? Absolutely, but not anytime soon. Seems like for once, politics actually benefited South Africa 😂
Clearly SA heading north was the best thing for SA Rugby, TBH Super Rugby had had it's day here in NZ before SA left. Big crowds had become a thing of the past and general interest had become casual. The 3 conference format didn't go down well here, the fans didn't like it
For years I have said SA must get out of the Superugby and SANZA.
Moving to northern hemisphere will make rugby more enjoyable for players and spectators.
Oh, it was definitely because of NZ that SA left. Its been mindboggling how Saru have bowed to NZ demands year in and year out within Sanzar for decades while yet being the undisputed revenue contributor.
Pride comes before destruction and I see nothing but pride from NZRU. There is no doubt that NZ have been the most successful team of all time however they are not bigger or more important than the game or their counterparts. The worst thing we ever did was have Castle run the ARU, and now we get rid of a fantastic Kiwi in Dave Rennie by text message, things are not healthy here.
Stop talking kak bro
As a saffa i hate the fact that Aus and NZ big dogs refused to co-operate with us so its their loss
The demise of All Black rugby started when Paddy O’Brian retired. The bias shown by referees toward the AB in his time made them look far greater than they really were. It has now come to haunt them.
Garbage, where was Paddy O'Brian when the the AB's smashed the boks by 50 in their own backyard, trying to undermine NZ's contribution to Rugby is farcical, 'demise' c'mon, every team has its ups and downs, SA could barely hold off a 14 man AB's team in RWC, win a lot, lose a few, cant ask for more than that.
so paddy obrien referred every single game ? when he wasnt why did sa teams lose ? oh its all a conspiracy lol
@@hamishjames2341 how does it feel like being owned by south africa in finals ?
@@JinxRugby yea not so bad, at least we didnt lose to england or ireland. Losing by one point with 14 men, boys made us proud congrats
@@JamesPeter-gj4gt it was a great game couldnt have asked for a better final..South rules the North can dream lol
Great video! As a South African rugby support I support the Bokke and local clubs not playing against Aussie/NZ teams in any competitions until the RWC. Let the ABs and Aussie play with each other and leave us playing in European competitions
Thanks sir!!
Great unbiased and objective video. SA, NZ and AUS will always have a great history of top clashes on the pitch and for maintaining a high level of competitiveness between the nations. These teams would benefit from the Trinations and SR structures and the World Cups would typically be dominated by teams from the Southern Hemisphere.
Time zones and travel considerations will always be a factor but I’d still like to see the Rugby Championships proceed.
Adding a few more teams to the 6-nations could bloat the season schedule as there could be 6-7 games over the tournament period.
As a South African, I used to love waking up to the 9am or 11am games of SR.
The viewing times were not too favourable for AUS and NZ teams when travelling to SA.
Viewership and sponsorship goes hand in hand and was also a big consideration by Sanzaar.
Thanks brother! Appreciate the kind words, enjoyed the nostalgia in your comment
Agreed, south Africa nearly always played afternoon games which meant 1am kickoff in Australia. If they played at night we could at least wake up early for it.
As a SAFFA, I much prefer the Northern Hemisphere competitions, suddenly each SA team can now have up-to 3 competitive teams focussing on different competitions, creating depth previously unattainable. And honestly, I just find it much more entertaining and accessible. Would love to see SA join the 6 Nations.
Why do you want SA to join the six nations?
@@DJ-ce3hq probably more teams = more rugby
Call it what you will..
I believe that Aus and Nzl teams became very complacent in the Super rugby francize. I always wondered if they were blissfully unaware of how how they were benefiting from official Bias or if they just went along with it for the accolades.
URC was a great move. Should stay in Rugby Championship to maintain the best of both worlds for SA. Especially with Japan potentially joining soon
I think Japan should
Staying in the rugby championship long term could be difficult for SA as they will never really get an off season. Its only a matter of time really
I agree but I don't think Japan is going to join the Rugby Championship. They still play in the Pacific Nations Cup.
As a Leinster fan I’m delighted sa teams joined the URC, the URC regular season was meaningless before they came and the knockouts were just Leinster vs Ulster or Munster in Dublin and it was terrible. I honestly didn’t care if we won the league or not. Now we have like 7/8 great regular season games and the knockouts are sick, even if we are winning less.
I’ve worried about the Boks leaving the Rugby Championship for some time myself. Such an event would be the final nail in the coffin of Southern Hemisphere rugby 😔
Thanks for the support brother ❤️❤️
Us Saffa would prefer playing y’all. The 6IX nation cohort is adamant they aren’t considering including the Bokke in the 6IX nations. Georgia IMHO should replaced Italy in the 6IX nations
@@simpslayer7839Georgia should definitely not replace Italy . They’re nowhere near Italy’s class
As far as I recalled, NZ initaited it. One of the reasons cited was the Time difference between South Africa and NZ. NZ were promoting South America, Ilands around NZ and Posibly the US. It would have resulted in less traveling time, less costs and matches being broadcast in more or less the same times as well as improving the standard of rugby in those areas.
I think Saru got tired of being bullied by the aussies and kiwis, when it was SA that was bringing the money through viewership and stadium attendance. Personally, I miss super rugby, but being a stormers fan, I can't complain about the URC. NZ will suffer the most I think because all that is happening now is NZ teams playing a very similar style against each other in very similar conditions. Only time will tell. My only wish is that we don't stop our annual games against the all blacks. It's what rugby is all about. Love from Cape Town
Super Interesting, I am South African and casual rugby fan myself and didn't know many of these reasons. I recently started getting back into watching and was like 'wait, wheres south africa?'
😂😂😂😂💀
the northern hemisphere teams were already catching up with the south about a decade before this had happened. ireland rarely beat sa or oz but had started regularly winning by the late 2000s, and their 1st win against nz was 2016. similar upward trend with most northern hemisphere teams
Ireland regulary beating SA? Only in your wet dreams
Except for Scotland and Wales. Both of them are hopeless and will never win a World Cup. Wales are bankrupt and Scotland aren’t that far behind.
Very well balanced and reasoned, not was I was expecting from the headline.
But you drew me in so well done. 😀
NZ actually moaned about travel time that Super Rugby had. I was so glad they stuck it to NZ, even though super rugby was one hell of a competition and helped all 4 countries
I have spent the morning checking your other content. You have good content, and analyse different topics then mainstream media. Very refreshing….
Wow I really appreciate this!! Thank you 💪 very motivating
At the moment Sa is the only country benefiting from both North and South Rugby. This can make them a formidable force in the near future. They should stay in the TRC.
I really like this comment, and it makes a lot of sense.
Exactly that’s why we Saffas shouldn’t leave The Rugby Championship
Interesting stuff bro. It does seem almost inevitable that SA will leave TRC.... right now their top players don't get much of an off season with TRC kicking off as the northern teams take a break. I know the Bok guys in the URC teams were given a bit of mandated time off over the 6N but that doesn't seem like an ideal long term solution
Thanks for the comment brother! Been watching you for years now. & true I feel a whole restructure is on the cards post World Cup!
@@uggy Yeah man it'll be interesting. Keep up the vids man! Love it!
Too kind!! Means a lot ❤️
Some of the factors I will agree with but I would also say that rugby Australia also pushed, complained, said nasty things that led to more conflict that cause SA rugby to leave Super Rugby.Other aspects were also that Super Rugby did not allow players to earn a higher income as what the European chanpionships provides... just my thoughts and what I have read :)
Pretty much a new frontier for South Africa who seems to be enjoying the best of both worlds with clubs gone north but the springboks in RC. In turn that means NZR checking out Japan as well for new markets, especially when the JRFU have strong intentions for joining the RC now that they're tier 1.
Samizouza!! Hope you are well brother! Thanks for the comment
I also hope he is well 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Well, it's always easy to be wise in hindsight, but I would say, looking at Springbok rugby now, as well as our local domestic game, SA Rugby is in remarkably good shape. As a rugby fan I scarcely noticed the loss of Super Rugby, as the UK / Europe games that SA teams play in are such a high standard. Contrast that with Australia now, and the indications also that NZ is apparently struggling to stay at the top. Remember also that South Africa had decades of playing ONLY domestic Rugby. That's one reason our roots in the game go so deep.
Damn straight at least we all South African. 10 New Zealand players are not even from New Zealand in this one team lol
We one Nation . New Zealand is about 5.. lmao
Hahaha! 😂
03:11 😘🤌🏻
Nice vid mate. I clicked to assertively defend 🇿🇦 for being builders not breakers, but your vid made all of my points and more.
Good job. 💪🏻
🤣❤️ legend brother!
i agree that that the move to URC was the best option for us......I still feel commited to the rugby championship as there is too much history between the all blacks and the boks......the last few years has been really tight between both of them on the field and moving to the six nations will not be well received by many europeans as they themselves have already stated that they are not looking to add or remove any teams from the six nations.
As a rugby fan it was always great seeing the best players from SA in the comp the travel I think affected all the teams, I feel the travel is what has helped us prepare for world cup success our players are already conditioned to being away from home and family for a period of time, maybe this is why the south has won 8 of the past 9 world cup's the travel is just part of the job. The difference I see now in the north at this time they have a lot more amazingly talented rugby players and have the coaches to bring out the best of them.
Any way cannot live in the past super rugby isn't that super anymore, now the quarter finals are almost here we will all see after this weekend who will stay and who will go home all the best to SA and all the teams from the south lets blow this up.
Irish fan here in Leinster. I think the addition of SA teams in the URC has been fantastic. Its a great competition now, and Ive really enjoyed getting to see the new rivalries grow, e.g., the Munster - Stormers final build up was great and the game itself was real, top-class cup rugby.
The old Pro-16, Celtic Cup etc was a poor tournament dominated by Leinster, and now the URC is a great product and the benfits to the Northern hemisphere are obvious. On the flip side, it seems to me like the NZ/Aus axis has notably declined since the move and NZ isnt the same beast at all anymore, which could intensify going forward.
In my view, it was a dreadful own goal by the Kiwis to let the South Africans go... theyre now stuck with the Aussies, who have little interest anymore, and they arent playing at the same intensity, witj due respect, the Polynesians wont cut it as yearly opposition.
The All Blacks last two games this season will indicate that they’re still very much a dominant force in world rugby you northern teams have one year on top and think the AB’s are done before last year NZ and South Africa were number 1 and 2 on the world rankings.. the north has one year on top and you guys think we are done? Hahaha if history proves me right the all blacks always bounce back you guys need to be consistent spent at lease 4 years on top then I’d believe you! We have a saying in New Zealand “you’re only as good as your last game” the AB’s have codmfortablebly beaten Argentina and South Africa so far which is a good indication heading into the World Cup I’d be worried if I were Ireland and France the all blacks I can see beating France in the opening pool match then we will have Ireland or South Africa in the quarters then we will see if Ireland can make it past the quarters 😂😂😂
@@taraishot100 Look I am all for a good debate and chat and I agree, in real terms you are only as good as your last game. Personally I think the rankings are a bit of a joke - lets be real there are only ever 6/8 teams in the world who are going to be in the running for tournaments and it will always be this way. Its a small game on the international stage. I just dont like the whole tone of your comment, its petty and screams of insecurity. BTW I dont like the stuff Irish fans write in comments either, its a turn off from rugby union for me. Youre all so childish. By all means lets engage and have a discussion and have a bit of a laugh but in the last 2/3 years since Ireland (at least symbolically) have been at the top of the international game Ive seen a very ugly side to NZ fans, SA fans etc and Im losing interest in the whole game as a result. I wouldnt say im alone in that. If it means so much and life cant go on without it, you can take your world cup ahd ram where the sun dont shine, then in 4 years the South Africans can do the same.
NZ are 14-8-1 in their last 23 games.@@taraishot100
@@riangallagher8544I tend to agree with how you feel about many of the fans from different countries. Before social media took over things, being a fan was enjoyable…now it’s a keyboard warrior fight with people blurting out falsehoods, fluffing their chests with bravado, and just real nasty comments. Feel I will start limiting what I engage in now as the enjoyment I did have is fast disappearing
Ireland and Leinster fan here. Despite some of the online banter I have to say the South African sides joining us up north has been amazing. It gives a diversity of culture and playing styles that no other competition has. It has made both our provincial and national teams better. There are still some problems that need to be worked on for example the traveling situation but the positives far out way the negatives.
Inevitable that we will leave the remaining arrangement and play in the North. I might be uninformed but my feeling is that NZ and Aus rode roughshod over SA for many years whilst coining it due to the pulling power of the Boks.
Solid video, good to see content still coming out
Thanks Buzz! I’m alive haha
Saffa here. I have genuine nostalgia for the rugby that was played during the S12 and S14. The moment the competition was enlarged beyond 14 teams, it started losing its attraction. S12 and S14 was truly a breeding ground for excellence, but the money hungry administrators on all 3 sides wanted more and more. They kicked the goose that lay the Golden egg to death.
I for one would be happy for SA to return to a S12 format, but that won't happen for 20 years now. The north is already seeing the benefit of playing against the SA the massive SA teams week in and out. The semi decline (yet still the team to beat in the world) of the All Blacks coincided almost perfectly with the departure of SA from Super rugby.
Kiwi here, I totally agree, the S12, S14 days were when Super Rugby was at it's best. The format was easy to follow for the fans, the Rugby was generally of a good standard and the crowds numbers were reasonable.The last format when SA were in Super Rugby was ridiculous. 3 conferences played in 5 countries across four continents! Fans didn't like it!
Agree with your first comments but NZ decline is nothing more than NZ going through a change of the guard unbelievable players who have retired over the last 8 years have left us wanting yet still difficult to beat we'll be back bigger and stronger count on it.
Have to disagree that South Africa leaving is the reason for the demise of Southern Hemisphere rugby. It's more due to the outdated model (the reason that SA left) that SANZAAR and especially the NZRU are pushing. Gone are the days that super rugby was stacked full of talent as now not only the top players are leaving for Europe or Japan at the peak of their powers but the players that are on the verge of making the international teams are leaving (guys like Nankivell going to Munster, PGS to Clermont and the possibility of Faiangainuku going to Toulon).
Could probably name national teams for Australia and New Zealand of just overseas players that would beat their current squads made up of Super Rugby players. Can't say that about France or Ireland.
Seems like rugby is beginning to centralize on europe and japan. And super rugby will become a feeder into their leagues.
Having talent but always loosing it sadly due to sanzaars lack of foresight and outdated structures.
@@Teesroad 100%. And at 24yo Faingaanuku has just signed with Toulon. We are turning into the Brazil of rugby.
@@joeschannel246 it seems so, but its interesting isnt it? Do you think this is what needs to happen for rugby to become more popular? If we look at football it'll lead to more super teams and europe will become even more competitive.
As a South African fan, I think the greatest advantage to come from SA’s withdrawal has been the merging of the “exported” players with locals, local teams are attracting South African players back, and local players are getting a dream path to success: Currie cup, URC, and Champions, whilst not losing touch with the big bucks. On another note, I found the arrogance of some of the NZ media (JK - Breakdown) to be unbelievable, we were just taken completely for granted. Happy that SA are participating in a leveling of the global playing field. It would be great to go back to the old tour days of NZ & Oz, I.e., B & I Lions format. Also, retaining the Rugby Championship, with home and away tournament formats might work.
As a SA rugby fan, I find the game in the Northern Hemisphere to be more exciting to follow.
Because you can finally win some games 😂😂😂😂
@@kurupt7154
3/7=43% vs 3/9=33%
(RWC titles - The *ULTIMATE* rugby achievement!)
.... GUESS who has 3/7 (43%) RWC titles and who has 3/9 (33%) RWC titles!
@@joatmofa0405😂😂😂😂
@@joatmofa0405 And none back to back and being kicked out of two 🤢
@@russellturner1909
Now don't feel sad just coz the Springboks have the best RWC record in the world - I'm sure your team will win a RWC soon ... fingers crossed!
As a Kiwi I understand,and you can see how it has benefited their Provinces,meanwhile Super Rugby is in decline, I'm watching URC,Aviva and Top 14...even NRL games rather than Super Rugby,and if the Springboks do leave for 6 Nations,what kind of team will the All Blacks become by sparring the Wallabies and Pumas annually? Definitely not the Premier Rugby Competitions anymore.
R.I.P. Super Rugby.
bro as a saffa ive hated rugby since us leaving super rugby!
As a Saffa I have loved it. Spare a thought for players earning money and timezone travel. The URC is much more like test rugby. Super rugby is too loose.
@@president6645 I think Heineken cup is close to test match rugby. The URC is better for our rugby franchises though.
I am a South African supporter from Zimbabwe. I am not sure New Zealand rugby would necessarily regress. I am old enough to remember days before all super rugby etc. Even before sanctions stopped contact. But that lack of contact made the relatively rare match-ups that much more intriguing. We knew our foe was New Zealand and they knew the same. No win over France or England proved you were the best until you had faced the real foe.
SA is not going to join 6 nations. EU based players don't want it. Money talks in the end, but more games in 6N means less availability for clubs. I'm not sure if there is a will to add SA to 6N at all on club level.
Love your unbiased factual based account chief. Bok supporter. Subscribed !
Thanks brother!!! Appreciate the support
I'd say the URC is somewhere between old Currie Cup and SR level but not quite at the level of the old SR. Don't know how the SRP compares. The Heineken is really the pinnacle now and there we have struggled, being knocked out of the QFs.
Also, not sure if SA left or were forced out. Why did Argentina leave? Sounds more like both were pushed out.
Being in the URC gives SA teams the chance to qualify and play against the top teams in Europe, The Heineken Cup, Super Rugby didn't give us that chance. URC might not be as strong but the Heicken Cup is really tough. So we haven't gone backwards at all. The top 6 Heineken Cup teams are no joke 😅😅😅
as a leinster fan the SA Teams have been brilliant and reignited the URC, 5000 munster fans in Cape Town shows this. there's a lot of wealthy fans (not me!) in Ireland who will travel. one of the best decisions in rugby
While I'd love to see the Bokke compete in a modified 6 Nations, it would be a bloody tragedy to lose out on the Rugby Championship. Highlight of every season is the suspense of playing the ABs. Win or lose, that's the game I always make time to watch.
It would be a tragedy for international rugby in general honestly. North vs South games are specials because they are not that frequent. This hypothetical new 6 nations would just become a mini yearly World Cup. It would destroy the very soul of this tournament while amputating the rugby championship from one of its most important actor.
@@TheDonCursino I suppose it would since nearly half the RWC teams would be playing in it. I really don't want to see the Rugby Championship go, or at least see SA step away from it. Playing the ABs and even the Aussies adds a lot to our game.
South African have to travel from West to East against the earth's movement - which is when jetlag affects you. Not the other way around. We were always at a significant disadvantage in the competition.
exactly and them going east to west was a doddle.
NZ and SA are half way around the world from each other. Both have the option of flying in either direction. Same distance both ways. Complete fiction that it harder one way than the other when both are 12 hours apart. ^ hours maybe a difference for the biological clocks. 12 hours no difference.
@@bobm8303you need to do your research. Scientifically proven its worse travel one way than the other. Put another way... traveling to NZ you lose half a day. Going the other way, you gain half a day. Not really that complicated. You should read up next time
@@RD-sp5us you should read up. NZ also travelled west to east via argentina. Same- same. And there is no difference between gaining and losing half a day. The research you are referring to only refers to travel of less than 12 hours.
@@bobm8303 ok, if you say so. The obvious difference is having half a day less of prep. Probably more like a full day. Sa living in NZ mate. Know all about it. You get to SA the same day from here but coming back its the next day. I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. Probably not all that big a deal but not as insignificant as you want to make out. Add your teams stayed for maybe 2 weeks tops compared to 3, sometimes 4. And later in the season do it again. But its over. No point in arguing travel. Were out of Super rugby. Probably never to return
Great analysis. Currently, NZ, Aus, without SA will get weaker and weaker. Our best players will all be playing in the north, making that competition even better. We will end up like Brazil (soccer), no domestic competition, and be ineffectual at the international level.
Weaker what a load of kak just shows you know fk all bout NZ Rugby we'll see soon
I guess as a southern African, I have always viewed New Zealand as our ultimate test.
I would not like to see us exit the southern hemisphere tests.
However, as much good as Super rugby did us, we had the more difficult playing conditions AND we were sidelined in format decisions by New Zealand and Australia.
Nothern hemisphere rugby is working for us
Excellent summary. SA Rugby should leave AU and NZ to beat up the Pacific Island teams.
SANZAR was never fair to SA.
Super Rugby was never fair to SA.
AU and NZ need SA a lot more than SA needs AU and NZ.
Back in the good old days, when national teams went on a tour every few years, every single Test match was historic.
Let's bring that back for SA vs AU and SA vs NZ, it would be so much better.
Like any lopsided relationship, when the partner who is being exploited checks out there's nothing to go back to.
Great video. It's a big conversation here in SA. Some fans miss SR rugby, but the vast majority are really enjoying the new time zones and the exposure to NH club teams.
It's been a steep learning curve in terms of a manging squads across multiple competitions, but if it pans out SA franchises will be more professional for it and sport squads with more depth and ability to retain top talent due to the financial benefit of the move to the NH.
You did well to summarise the reasons SA left SR. SA contributed the most viewership and the Supersport deal was a big deal for SR. The jump in URC viewership is proof of this. The feeling I got is that SARVU (and for that matter the SA rugby fans) got tired of being treated like shite by what seemed to be a really arrogant NZRU. Arrogant, unilateral decisions never bodes well for comps like these... Frankly I'm amazed the Aussies are still sticking it out there...
Thanks!! Appreciate it. & agree with you, there’s been bitterness between rugby Australia and nzru lately, will be an interesting time ahead!
Super Rugby has quite possibly had it's day, it isn't even a good training ground for test Rugby atm.
Well seems I have to include the Spring Bok along with Rayleighn Castle and Eddie Jones in my big thankyou, Well done guys!
There was nothing better than waking up on a Saturday morning with a babelas(hangover) and watching Super Rugby. Good old days.
Excellent explainer video. From a SA perspective it made all the sense in the world to go north. I foresee the Boks joining the Six Nations in the coming years as you've explained. That then means SA v NZ/Aus/Arg could become July/November Test series.
Also from a TV money point of view, SA was providing the bulk of Super Rugby/Rugby Championship viewers so with the Boks withdrawing that in theory means less TV revenue for NZ and Australia.
Regardless of what happens I think SA and NZ will always produce great rugby players (like Brazil and Argentina in football). I can see Argentina aligning themselves with France (mostly to develop their professional players) but I worry for Australia. Interesting times ahead.
Great point!! Thanks for watching & the comment brother ❤️
@@uggy Always a pleasure bro!
I think South Africa had no other choice but to move its Super Rugby teams to the URC because of finances and player welfare and player retention. I don't however think South Africa should pull the Springboks out of the Sa/NZ/AUS/ARG series. I prefer the current international schedule with the current winter 4 nations competition and then the end of year series in Europe and dont see any reason to change it. I also don't think there's that much support in Europe for South Africa to join the six nations.
@@gordondwyer3641 I personally would also prefer to see SA stay in the Rugby Championship. But I think TV money is going to talk in this case and there's more benefit for the Boks playing in the northern hemisphere.
@@gordondwyer3641 can’t see SA joining the 6 nations. It’s just wildly different as the competition is so culturally engrained, adding in SA would seem weird..
South Africa sticking with Sanzaar just doesn't make sense. For the URC to completely work, South Africa need to align themselves with Europe.
Let's be Machiavellian for a moment. This is a strategic move to make SA the #1 in the world. Why? By taking money and competition away from NZ, who are left to scramble to find regular quality rugby.
Whereas SA takes advantage of more money in the NH & more varied competition. The Boks will also move North as part of this strategy. SA with it's massive player base now has the best of all worlds to drive itself to world #1 and stay there.
Only France can realistically compete in the long term (England, club and country, will take awhile to fix I feel).
As an Ireland fan, we'll need to keep our excellent system in tip top condition to keep up
It’s not Machiavellian, it’s common sense.
I’m not going to lie, I had to Google Machiavellian! Thanks for the comment brother and very interesting points
@@jacqloock jacq. I agree. I've been saying it for at least ten years now
Machiavellian? I'm not sure about that, but it is a good move for SA rugby.
The majority of Aussie and NZ fans have assured me that they don't miss having SA Teams in SR. According to them the Rugga is better than ever and SA Teams ran away to the NH because they couldn't compete down South.
Let's give it 5 years for the financial and practical realities to set in.
Also a win/win for Europe....stronger competition / more money while weakening NZ.
They're overlooking the threat of Rugby League down under though .Would Europe/rest of the world be better off if the pacific turned to RL?....and then more Dominos could start falling....The NRL are already eyeing up USA.
After reading the title of the video I expected a very bias video. The actual contents were the exact opposite with the reasons and facts well explained. A very good analysis of the situation. Well done.
Thanks brother!! I used chatGPT for the title 🤣 seemed to make the algorithm click
This is great content. Sick of listening rugby pundits blathering ad infinitum. You offer a fresh approach. NZ fan and new sub. Keep it coming!
Biggest issue was the weakening South African currency that impacted players most at club level. Add to that political influence on team makeup and covid. The last hurdle was the timezone that just amplified all the above.
Hey Albert, tell us more about the political influence, I could learn something from you.
@@mazibukomail kwota system bro
For example looke at the proteas; in sy moer asgv kwotas
@@ricardomoolman1176 Many thanks Ricardo, name the Quota players in the Springboks rugby team.
The alignment of timezone, travel and market, getting a lot of European based SA players back and giving our players better financial options - too compelling. Rugby World Cup is where South Africa should focus - if they can stay at the top tier consistently they get their cake and eat it. Definitely will miss Tri-Nations but happy for SA rugby.
NZ, Aus never showed any love for teams from SA and boks, and the obvious bias with ref's decisions that led to the game becoming boring to watch when we play down under just made the idee of playing in Europe sound like a good one.
100%, SA rugby was mistreated by NZ and AUS, besides our enormous contribution. It turned out great for us in the end, luckily.
The rugby is more interesting now for South Africa now easier flights time zones etc.
We thank NZ for basically kicking us out🍻👍🙏
Made us the team we are now🏆🏆🏆🏆
As with cricket, rugby has done the same dirty on South Africa. Governing bodies make decisions without RSA's inclusion in the process and then require all of RSA to just accept and go with it. Their calling time on it was the right thing to do. FFS...RSA is the current world champs and is tied with NZ for most world cup wins, even though we played in two less competitions due to isolation. One would think that including RSA in world rugby decisions would be a no-brainer...but no. Since I lost satellite sports 3 years ago when we moved I havent kept up to date with actual rugby performances, but I have caught onto the fact that my local rugby team (Stormers) was doing extremely well in a European competition. I subsequently registered for a streaming package and caught the Stormers game against Connacht in Cape Town this last Saturday. It was an extremely entertaining rugby game that the Stormers won. We now have a strong team in the final of the URC competition that will attempt to defend their 2022 title against Munster on 27 May 2023. This competition was vital for South African rugby. Not only are the franchise teams competing on an equal footing (time zones with reasonable travel schedules), but we are also seeing what MORE teams are doing outside of South Africa and the northern hemisphere. Us leaving Super Rugby, and perhaps even eventually the Rugby Champs, should be seen a loss for NZ and Australia...not to RSA. It was not our doing and we simply rolled with the punches and made the game more fair for ourselves while earning more money for our franchises in the process. I'm there for the ride.
It is not really surprising that SA rugby stayed in super rugby for as long as it did despite more financial opportunity elsewhere- We wanted to play the best teams and they were in NZ. The combination of NZ-Aus looking elsewhere and SA players leaving to Europe ultimately made the decision forced imo. Enjoyed your vid a lot btw - great analysis!
Well explained video with great editing and footage! As a South African I’m definitely enjoying the URC much more than the last few years of Super Rugby. I do however still think SA should stay in the Rugby Championship as it gives us the best of both worlds from a competitive aspect. I also don’t think we’d fit into a modified 6 Nations tournament, which should be left to European teams.
Thank you for the kind words!
Now that South Africa has regained the world cup isn't it time to revisit super rugby and offer them something worth their while?
As an Aussie, NZ wrecked it for SA and almost forced them to leave by forcing changes within super Rugby that didn't work for SA Rugby. At least the NH bodies are willing to involve SA rugby in conversations where NZ would have just dominated the entire thing and not allowed anyone an opinion. Good for SA, all the best up north Boys.
Good video and truest explanation yet
Thanks sir!
The tri-Nations/Rugby Championship is iconic and I hope it stays the way it is, not seeing SA vs NZ on an annual basis is a crime. In saying that being part of the Six Nations would be awesome to watch.
SA go to Europe, SA vs NZ annually can still happen as part of year end/mid year tour formats.
This concern is something I dont actually understand.
After all's done, it would be interesting to bring all the champions together from all qualified international comps. A champions league so to say.
This was good, well done Uggy on a decent summary
I loved super rugby I grew up watching it my year started when super rugby kicked off.I miss super rugby it was the most exciting rugby competition in the world.
As an Australian rugby fan the current Super Rugby competition format makes much more sense. Rugby has a small fan base in Australia competing with AFL and NRL and no one cared about watching their side play a South African club they could barely identify with. The current competition reduces travel and should hopefully improve the standard of Australian rugby.
From a South African perspective.
If you want Rugby to grow in South Africa, you need to go back to merit based selection.
South African teams are not selected on merit but rather on the color of your skin.
South African fans are fed up with this... so we don't watch provincial rugby.
This also leads to a vicious cycle of lack of money in our clubs and our best players being poached by European clubs, that do select on merit.
We are then left with lower quality players playing the domestic game. And the vicious cycle being reinforced.
Be honest and see if for what it is.
Also, this does not mean that we don't want to see players of colour. ... some of our best players are players of colour.
We just simply want the peace of mind, that our teams are selecting the best players to play each other in our beloved game.... and that the politicians are keeping them selves out of it.
As a person of colour I 100% agree. Political interference is destroying our rugby and almost entirely responsible for the boks decline before Rassie came in.
what a loadof crap ! Who would you replace Cheslin with, Bongi, Ox etc etc
@peterwomersley those guys are my heros.... I love them.
But provincial rugby is dead in SA
You need to get people back to the stadiums...
There is nothing wrong with asking for merit
@joshlamingo1145 thank you for your comment..
Only a true South African will understand.
As a country we have moved on.... let's enjoy our rugby at the best level it can be.
Our strength is our diversity...
Let's fix our Harts and move forward with our lives
Nice video. Thanks bru
This video is pretty much spot on. NZ and Aus became arrogant over the many years that SA was part of Super Rugby. NZ seemingly also got to the point of being almost complacent about the setup. The timezones definitely played a massive role in the decision but let us not also forget the unfair distribution of revenue when considering the huge expenses for SA teams to travel and also considering that Aus was contributing the least in terms of teams and viewership. In my view it was absolutely the right move by SA to move provincial/club to the northern hemisphere. Not to mention that the revenue is the north is huge by comparison. The other SANZAAR countries should really be making up huge incentives for SA to stay in the international competition in the southern hemisphere otherwise the likes of NZ can kiss their dominance of international rugby goodbye and Aus will dwindle. Argentina have the least to lose since most of their international players are already playing in the European system. Over to you NZ and Aus. Let's hear what you carrot you have to dangle.
This was very objective and informative. Well done
Regarding Six Nations - how is that supposed to work? There are numerous European Nations trying to get into that thing & so far have been unsuccesfull. So I'm guessing adding the Springbocks could overall improve the test matches but also would cause all sorts of problems with the other countries. Furthermore if you addd plus one into SN, it wouldn't be SN anymore - who do you kick out? Any details on that?
Stumped when it comes to the finer details. There’s been a lot of pushes to include both South Africa & Georgia. Since they’ve announced this new competition featuring the Top 12 sides, I imagine they’ll leave the six nations 👍
SA should stick to the club tournaments up north and Rugby Championship down south. That gives them a full look at all nations potential and style of play. Plus, what would the world come to without regular Bok vs All Black tests?
There has always been plans for a “Club World Cup” but this involves all of the administrators being able to compromise & agree, which I’m unconvinced will ever actually happen!!
Champions Cup top 8, Super Rugby top 8, MLR, SLAR & Japanese top league winners in a 20 team (four pools of five team tournament) every four years would be perfect IMHO!
The 20th team, could be the host team (or next best in their own respective league if they had already qualified)
With a strict rotational policy on hosting by continent, hemisphere & timezone!
With options to add more teams or even lower tier tournaments built into the structure!
Thank you, a great summary. The overall levelling up at international tier is welcome, where teams historically have been, doesn't count on the field now. The pandemic shrunk many countries horizons; bringing players 'home' , neutral venues etc. SA believed in the players, the champions, who have lifted the European and far Eastern club teams approach. Did that happen visa vie staying south?
Thank you mate! The difference its made in such a short time is staggering. Hope you are well!
Good content and very credible summation.
Thank you! Appreciate the kind words
Rugby in the Southern Hemisphere is doing just great. Especially in South Africa
South Africa cant leave Rugby Championship we need to keep playing NZ so we keep them close and in touch to see their development. URC and all other competitions help us see game play and conditions in Europe its a perfect storm and best way to continuously scope out the opponents.
Good luck South Africa, the Northern hemisphere Style of play suits your strengths,The Super rugby in the South, highlighted by the Pacific teams flair the Aussies showing progress and the Kiwi teams playing open flowing rugby in the Rain.The ABS aint the champions but they still the team everyone wants to beat.
Great Video ! Keep up the good work 👏 🔥
The Rugby Championship should include tier 2 southern hemisphere nations aswell, I feel like it will be so beneficial to the tournament
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Great analysis.
SA is in the South hemp. but the time difference takes the toll mentally and physically when traveling by plane to different time zones.
If south africa joins the six nations it would basically be like a mini world cup and would throw the balance of world rugby we have right now completely off. I understand why they would wnat to and commercially it's the right decision but it would not be good to see
What wouldnt be good about it?
Another SA perspective - Man the early years of this competition were absolutely amazing! Way before recorded games came along, getting up early to watch the super 10 was outstanding viewing, and the super 12 built on that, for a good 10 years this was the world's premier rugby championship. Quite how it fell from grace is multi-faceted;
1. Greed - Administrators extending the no of teams to increase profit and players seeking more bucks north, both diluted the talent on display.
2. Persistent tinkering with rule changes and sub-standard refereeing - Rugby is a complicated sport, there was always a gap between the rules and the referee's (+ assistant + technology shortfall) ability to implement them. Increasing the no of rules has compounded this. An increase in the complexity of rugby's rules needed to coincide with an increase in the standard of both referee and TMO's performance and technology advancements. This never happened, and now referees are influenced by the the crowd and local TV production crews more so than ever before.Equally so, world rugby has never and seemingly will never, take any accountability for this. Also, IMO the referees, regardless of above are inferior in quality to yesteryear.
3. When SuperRugby first birthed rugby had only recently gone professional - Since professionalism the game has gradually become more stale as a prodcut to the end viewer. This is because of advancements in both coaching, conditioning and technical analysis. There is less space, and there is less innovation. Teams play not to lose, rather than too win. There are teams that are an exception to this but by and large this remains true.
4. In South Africa, all of our stadiums are at least 40 000 plus, incredibily difficult to fill them in light of points made above. Using the supply and demand notion of business; it would be far better to have smaller stadiums that are full - this would create demand - rather than large stadiums that are only sold out when a test match is in town.
5. People are just so much busier than they used to be. I know people who used to be die hard cricket and rugby supporters. They confess that pts 1-3 are a factor, but also they work their rear ends off all week and their weekends are taken up in totality by their children's sporting and school activities.
5. The move north has at least breathed life into this paradigm. It's new, the timezones work.
6. The most important next steps include a global season, salary caps, and most importantly an increase in the quality of refeereing and a decrease in the complexity of the rules. If we want to grow rugby in the US ahead of the next +1 world cup, this is absolutely imperative.
World Rugby are intending to release details of the Nations Championship shortly, which will have the Northern Hemisphere teams playing the Southern Hemisphere teams (& Japan) on a two year cycle between world cups.
The implication is that Japan & Fiji will be added to the Rugby Championship
Then the 6 Nations teams & Rugby Championship teams will play each other in the South in July & the North in November.
Promotion & Relegation is expected around 2030
Wow good intel!! This concept would be so cool
A two-year cycle between world cups? How would that work? So eg 2024, 2026, 2028, etc?
@@fidget2020 I did find an article to share, but it hasn’t posted unfortunately, it’s also going to avoid Lions Tours, during those years Northern Hemisphere teams will do traditional tours of the Southern Hemisphere.
But you are correct, so South Africa (for example) would play England, Ireland & Scotland home & away in 2026 then in 2028 would play Wales, France & Italy home and away
Let's all be honest, the main reason Super Rugby and the Rugby Championship attracted excitement was due to the SA vz NZ rivalry. Australia was not an attraction then and still isn't. An annual test series between SA and NZ would be way better than including other teams just because they are from the south. I used to wake up at wee hours to catch the games, but can't remember the last time I bothered. We have so much quality rugby now every weekend, at decent time slots, that we are spoiled for choice. My guess is that the Rugby Championship will fade away and what is left of Super Rugby will become nothing more than a provincial level tourny, watched only by the locals.
Always find it funny that South Africans have this delusion that they are somehow better than Australian teams. Since the inception of Super Rugby both Aus and SA have the exact same number of Trophies with 3 each. Also I find it really strange that you think that you think the Springboks are anything close to the All Blacks.
While I'm at it, I'd like to point out that the only people that think Super Rugby has gotten worse is by enlarge South Africans. Most Kiwis and Aussies are happy that games arent being played at ridiculous hours due to time zone differences and also that players from Fiji, Tonga, and Samoa are getting their opportunity to play at a professional level with the new franchise teams. Sometimes things will be better with you. Sometimes better without you. Time to move on dude.
Arrogant saffers. Good riddance
@thomasrodwell563 Yeah, Super rugby has had its highest viewing figures in NZ than it's had for at least 5 years.
A lot of that helps now that the SA teams are no longer in it, which makes the viewing time so much better for NZ and Aus fans. Super rugby is definitely picking up some steam in these last few weeks, and it will be interesting to see how it pans out over the next few years.
This comp definitely has a lot more potential now that all the teams are in the same time zones.
The real issue with Super Rugby is that the sport is dying a slow death in Australia. I love that there are still a few passionate union supporters in Aus, but the truth is Rugby union is being outcompeted by the AFL and NRL for talent and audiences. It has been on a slow decline for over a decade. Hopefully hosting the RWC will give Australian Rugby a boost, but it is likely to be a temporary one. Without a strong Australian component, Super Rugby is really a NZ domestic comp with some practice games against the Aussie cousins who couldn't get into the NRL. 5:34
Nicely done
Thank you!