So many people have asked about this so here is what I believe the bible teaches. Please provide a HEALTHY and RESPECTFUL comment below! Love ya and let me know your thoughts!
THE BEAT by Allen Parr Thank you!!! As a woman who has recently announced being called into the ministry of preaching, I have greatly wrestled with this. My upbringing is such that women preachers were not allowed at all. However, I knew that the Holy Spirit had guided me into this calling. It 100% was not a calling that I was thinking of doing on my own. No, I am not to be a pastor, at all. A minister? Yes! Thank you for the sound scripture references. God bless you and yours.
THE BEAT by Allen Parr I struggled with this because my grandmother Pastored after my grandfather passed... but when my uncle/ her son "came on over to the Lord's side", she passed it to him and has not interfered with how he has and is currently pastoring. However, according to scripture, I do agree wth this entire video.
THE BEAT by Allen Parr hey man great videos they have really helped me out. Just a question though I’m confused on your definition of logic bc I thought logic wasn’t based on feelings rather it is based on facts and evidence or at least should be when used correctly. Anyways a repose would be great.
I have learned that most of the time even when I think I’m not going to like God’s ways, I end up finding joy in the way he created things to be. I can rest in the fact that his ways are perfect, even if they may not seem to be to us at first.
I wish that Women would get this! As for me, yes, I would LOVE to be a Pastor! However, it does not matter what I want, only what God wants. Thank you for this Video!
Acts 2: 16 No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel: 17 “‘In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams. 18 Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days, and they will prophesy. 19 I will show wonders in the heavens above and signs on the earth below, blood and fire and billows of smoke. 20 The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord. 21 And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’[c]
You are so right and that's the kind of a lady I'm looking for but needs to be led by God who joins me together with her Matthew 19:6 God bless you precious
@@biblicalbee2082 I like what you said at the end about being brave by submitting to the word. The hard thing in the matter is a lot of women have trouble following the word of God and submitting themselves unto their own husbands as unto the Lord. And what that means as unto the Lord, is as long as their husbands are in line with the word of God and leaving her correctly according to the will of God then she can follow up under her husband's leadership which God ordained him to be the man of the home from the beginning of time. And husbands need to love their wives enough to die for them, just like how Christ loved the church enough to DIE for them, and gave HIMSELF for us. Ephesians 5:23 25
@@jeffreymartin5386 : If men were really loving their wives in the privacy of their own home and respecting their wives in public and in front of their children , then women would fall safely into their husbands arms submissively. I grew up with a dad who did not do this and my mom was still submissive to him .
After reading the Bible in its entirety . I believe it clearly states women should Not pator over men . At any time .... can they do other teaching for the kingdom of God yes . Please dont be scared to teach the truth about Gods word . We dont have to sugar coat anything for anybody.
As a female and I have absolutely no problem submitting to Gods word and what it actually says. I’m very glad you stuck to the Bible and spoke the truth. This video was very helpful thank you.
@@celticmist14 Whether he did or did not is not a reason to cite for why women today cannot be leaders/pastors. Christ was a JEW, followed JUDAISM to a TEE going so far to wait until 30 years before he began his ministry. He did not marry but I don't see anyone using that as reason why a man should not marry today for obvious reasons. The problem today is that MANY MANY people like Mr. Parr and others here have taken Paul's instructions to the church in HIS TIME and made them LAW for our time. In the process they have done a great disservice to the body of Christ and have removed the HOLY SPIRIT as the TEACHER for us today whose job is to LEAD US INTO ALL TRUTH. Clearly there was STILL MORE TRUTH to be revealed after Christ left and I could assure you, there is still MORE TRUTH to be revealed today. See my comment above for more insight on this topic.
@The bible approves Abortion Supposedly but killed Christians, Jews, and Blacks. He banned books that disagreed with his position. That’s the point I’m making.
We should be bold with the Word and not confine with the world, nothing should astray what the spirit teaches in the Word even if it's against our beliefs, or in contrast to our fears.
Living in the day and age we are in now and being a child of God myself I find it soo humbling to be beside my husband. I would never want to have authority over my husband . He's the head of our family and I'm his helper. We walk beside each other. Helping each other as God designed us to be. Thank you Allen Parr, you brought that out soo beautifully.
Aww, what a blessing as the Lord has tempered your heart. God’s order is always perfect and although many believe and do otherwise, He is the same today, tmrw and forever.
I am 11 years old and this channel has helped me alot , I give thanks to GOD for allowing me to see this channel and thank you MR Allen parr for being a true person and not a prosperity peracher aka false prophet.
jocelyn carillo What a dumb fucking question. Do you only want people in here who agree with you? Do you want no challenges to what you believe? Christianity and other religions have perpetuated misogyny and unequal treatment of women. I don’t buy into your bullshit and I speak out against it. So put that in your pipe and smoke it.
My grandfather was a preacher for around 50 years..my grandmother was like a rock to him supporting him as he preached to the church..without her i dont know how he could have done it..they were a team.. He preached his last message in a chair and died from heart disease 2 days later... She was his support.. What a great woman of faith she was. I long to see them again in glory. My grandma was a great woman and supporting wife.. We need more of that in this life
@@deborahadeniji808 in the new covenant of Jesus Christ it is back to Genesis 1:26 for the regenerated born-again man only, therefore women don't work alongside men as some in the false religion of CHRISTIANITY would like to have it. In Christ men and women work together in spiritual dominion with Christ the only SUPREME HEAD of the church; they are not over each other as was created by their fall in Eden Genesis 3:12-16 akjv.
I just found you today. I've listened to quite a few videos already and I CAN'T BELIEVE I'VE FINELY FOUND SOMEONE WHO I AGREE WITH BIBLICALLY!!!! So refreshing!!! You are thorough and clear. This is soooo needed in this day and age!!!
saint of jesus Christ I disagree. Some people think they have to say that. There’s a difference. Bcuz people say that men have to be the head all day long but what we actually see happening in life is the opposite. Women are the head and doing everything. While men are doing nothing but chasing their egos, trying to look like strong capable men. So if the man is the head, is only bcuz a woman is casting that illusion, and even then, he is still not the head, bcuz his wife or gf is doing it all. His mother or daughter is doing it all. Women somewhere are doing it all and he is really doing nothing.
I absolutely agree with you the Bible is so clear but we like to change it to how it suits us.. Thank God for wisdom thank you for your channel shedding light thank you for doing God's work
I respect what God wants from me. I am a nurse and I use that as my ministry. I would love to be a pastor, but I know my God given place and I cherish it. Keeps me and my family safe.
Please PRAY about it, if God has given you the gifts of ministry you may be being called by the Holy Spirit to be a pastor. PRAY boldy and use discernment there are plenty of cases in which women have churches as Jesus has disciples. We take the gospels as word of God however the context of the time is that women were not educated equally and therefore the women did not write as men did. However women had churches, were deacons. and scripture even points to how women and men have to have a different role in church because of roman law: 1 Cor 34: 'Women[a] should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.' notice how it is not his Law(mosaic or God'd Law which is capitalized and the government or roman law is not.) I also want to mention some senior pastors who had their own church, Aquila and Prisca.
My sister, if God has called you to Pastor you are a pastor whether you want to or not. If you don’t do it you’re being disobedient. Now with that being said, what would that look like for you? It means God has placed people in your life that he wants you to minister to. It doesn’t have to consist of a formal platform. When you open your mouth, that spot where you stand becomes the pulpit. It may be for a season and a reason God chose you to pastor/mentor those few. That’s what pastoring is. God bless
Very well said! As someone who was raised to be a strong independent woman, I agree 100%!!! Woman are just as important as men are in the Church. We are just different and have different roles. I wish society as a whole would embrace our differences and celebrate them.
@CuriouStan 1st Corinthians chapter 14 verse 34. Read it in your Bible and then get back to me. If you go by the Bible you'll see. If you go by opinions then you are on your own
@@dougsmith9352 What are you even talking about? Are you trying to say that women and men aren’t equal in worth? Tell me how the verse you’ve referred to runs opposite to that idea.
@@dougsmith9352 1 cor 14:34 is speaking about tongues and prophesying in tongues, that what the while chapter is referring to in regards to edifying the church understanding of unknown tongues but you do have a point about the specific verse its really not of context to what Paul is speaking about in the chapter if it not referring to tongues alone, what do you make it out to be?
When someone says “I feel”… That is not applying logic, that is Emotion. Logical thinking is helpful when Reading the Bible to discern what God is telling us.
@Soupmaster101 Heather is quite right. Logic is "Reasoning assessed according to strict principles of validity" (Oxford Dictionary) It is not about feelings. YHVH expects us to use our minds (Genesis 2:19, Isaiah 1:18)
I was led to Jesus Christ by a woman pastor. I'm so glad she answered the call to be a pastor. I was suicidal at that time I met her, 20 years ago, and now I have a husband and a family of my own. She started pastoring at 15 and now is 80. She has led many to Christ. I believe it's the Holy Spirit in her that brings the harvest. God bless!!
That's amazing she led you to Christ and many others. That is a mandate by God regardless of gender. However the "office" of pastor is for men and men only. She would be to also teach you and others that she cannot hold the office of Pastor, but she can exercise her gifts of the spirit. Titus 1:5-9 and really close attention verse 16. Go back to the fall Genesis 3 and understand why God created order. This is not a man versus woman or men or better than women, this is a God in His holiness giving us roles and responsibilities in HIS kingdom. I hope your husband is saved and both of you are in the Word of God. I will be praying for you in your walk. (Please note this is said in a conversation tone, not argumentative.) Also, 1 Timothy 2:8-15 is helpful and gives clarity.
I know of a lady who goes to Pakistan to preach. I think she is about 80 yrs old. I have no doubt the Spirit of the Lord is upon her. As a matter of fact. I just watched her on TV today....Dec 27th. ...and she ROCKS. God bless her and her daughter.✝️
God is not gender prejudice, neither is the BORN-AGAIN REGENERATED MAN; the fallen UNREGENERATED UNREPENTANT man is; Many people here are either not born again or don't read the bible AKJV. THEY LISTEN MEN AND READ THEIR WRITINGS. GOD HAS HIS OWN WRITINGS AND PLAN.
As a woman living near San Francisco where all the roles, genders and values are blurred and consumed by chaos; thank you for providing Gods word in a clear and inviting way. ~blessings
@@marfialennox2642 I also live in the area. Idk why people make it seem like it's "that bad" here. God is omnipresent. He's just as much near and IN San Francisco as He is anywhere else. I'm not discounting the other comment, but we need to speak truth about this. God is very much here, too. Amen.
The majority of churches in seattle are run by women pastors which are all liberal churches which are also pro homosexual and pro transgender believes and pro abortion which all of these subjects are sins!
Hi Allen, I’ve been watching your videos for a while and they are so helpful to me. You have an amazing gift from the Lord. Thank you for making these videos. God bless you!
Season1 better2 Next time you express yourself make sure you at least have a vague idea of what Biblical doctrine is. The Bible speaks of roles, you seem to ignore that and give a verse that has nothing to do with the subject. Unless your 9 years old; I’d understand. 🤷🏻♂️
Season1 better2 Ignore te word “role”, but you have to discard the term “trinity”. They’re marked concepts. If the Bible says women shouldn’t be an authority over men in church all you have to do is obey. It seems it’s you who wants to twist scripture. 1 Timothy 3 gives the requisites for elders, it refers to men. If you say it applies to women you’re adding words that aren’t there. Then you are what you accuse me of. Stick to your own claims, will you?! 🤷🏻♂️
Maaaaaaaaan listen. I tapped this video quick. I'm the worship pastor and I have always wondered about this lol. I'm ok with what your saying! Because you were able to back it up with scripture. It's all good. I just want to serve God and the people!❤️
Felecia Harris God bless you Sister Lord Jesus touch Felicia in a mighty way Lord lead her in truth Lord bless this lady as she spreads your word thank you Jesus we ask this in Jesus mighty name amen
I'm sure you are doing a PHENOMENAL job as a worship leader. Once again, it's a tough subject. It really is and I wrestled with it as well. Sometimes I wish we could make the Bible say what we want it to say but we just can't. You keep lifting up God's name in praise! God bless,
Felecia Harris “Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.” 1 Corinthians 14:34 KJV
Acts 2: 16 No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel: 17 “‘In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams. 18 Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days, and they will prophesy. 19 I will show wonders in the heavens above and signs on the earth below, blood and fire and billows of smoke. 20 The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord. 21 And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’[c]
@@shinritee432 you have itching ears The word of God is clear about that women are not to be pastors here 1 Timothy 2:12 and here 1 Corinthians 14:32-35 and in many other scripture. Women will prophesy that does not mean we will preach it means: Definition: proph·e·sy /ˈpräfəˌsī/ Learn to pronounce verb say that (a specified thing) will happen in the future. "Jacques was prophesying a bumper harvest" in 2 Timothy 4. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
These type of experiences will keep us MARGINALIZED. After reading from Bible, I started questioning everything that is not proper in the Church. Although I expected change but there was none, instead ignored and cut out. For years and years, I followed to honor and submit to the authority, but now I realize it was a huge mistake, as we are not to please people, leaders, pastors ,but God alone.
You have a huge amount of respect from me for taking up this *very controversial topic* . Thank you for not sugar coating anything from the bible and only speaking the Truth . We need that .
Allen, you did a wonderful job in handling this sensitive issue according to the contextual truth of scripture. It’s wonderful to hear sound doctrine when it’s rarely preached these days. May God continue to bless you’re ministry and you’re family.
The same reason a man would. God calls everyone to serve him, if we don't do it, who will? Christianity is all about your relationship and connection with God, it's not based by gender at all. Which ever way you choose to serve God, he supports you. No where does it say women can't preach, or men have to preach. It's based on the male led society in thoes days, that's why we assume men have to lead the church.this is really based on the fact that can women preach to men? Because in the video, the man gave an example she can preach over the children's church, or a live session, etc. But not in a senior pastor church or congragation. So what is it? Can women preach , but not to men, or is it that women can't preach at all? until God himself a says women can't preach, that's when I'll change my mind. God gives both men and women gifts to serve him in any way and if thoes gifts happen to be to preach, so be it.
@@Galatians360 but God has called female pastors. It's not about gender, it's about what you are preaching. It's still the same word from God . A woman doesn't translate something wrong to it. Whoever can carry the church so be it. Joyce Myer is an amazing female pastors, I actually understood more from her. If God calls you he calls you
@@Galatians360 Albert of course I know God doesn't value women any less, but the fact that Adam was created first, and women second, doesn't have anything to do with how the church is ordered. Women aren't " acting like men" when they preach they are just doing what anyone would do. God has order and gives specific orders in the Bible, however he never mentioned that women should not preach. There is a place in the Bible where it says women should be silent, but that was from that scriptures writers understanding ( I think Peter). Ok if women should be silent, then how come women can preach in children's churches, that's contradictions your own words!!!!! Btw just because Satan approaches even first and was persuaded and tricked, is PURE HUMAN NATURE. if someone told you to not eat something, but didn't tell u why, or anything about it, its PURE HUMAN NATURE TO BE CURIOUS. Heck even also persuaded Adam to eat it too so what do u say about that. I appreciate your side of the argument, but u gave no viable eveidence to counter what I said.
@@Galatians360 I respect your opinion, but in order to be a pastor, you must preach as we all know. Of course women can preach, but they can also pastor. I am not anywhere trying to put words in your mouth, but the Bible is very clear about how things are supposed to run. And God doesn't joke about the church, therefore he wouldve been extremely specific on who he wanted to lead and preach the church. But he wasn't, because it doesn't matter what gender does, it's about the word you are learning, not who's mouth it comes from. All female pastors were called from God to lead Thier church. Trust me if God didn't want women to preach eh would've said so, and would've told thoes female pastors otherwise 😊
she was Paul's boss, was oftem mentioned before the husband and corrected apollos as well. Great leader... Phoebe deacon, Junia Apostle, Priscilla co-worker in Christ
@@19Ivano75 3 Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus: Romans 16:3. No where does it say she was Paul’s boss a pastor or a teacher of the Word. She was a helper. Stop adding to the word of Gods will remove you from the book of life.
@@sophiacherrington6765 Wrong dear sister, Junia was Apostle, Miriam was Leader, Debora was Judges, Magdalene was the first Preacher, Philip's doughters were prophets, of corse they were not allowed to speak in public nor to learn to read the Scriptures, but does make things better? If so let us come back to slavery, which is what too many people in power would like.
Acts 2: 16 No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel: 17 “‘In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams. 18 Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days, and they will prophesy. 19 I will show wonders in the heavens above and signs on the earth below, blood and fire and billows of smoke. 20 The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord. 21 And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’[c]
A visiting evangelist to my area told us how people kept asking him, "Are you a pastor? A teacher? An evangelist? What are you? He responded, "I don't know. I just do the work." Serving one another in love is our greatest calling to one another, and humility and prayer is vital to knowing our calling.
Acts 2: 16 No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel: 17 “‘In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams. 18 Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days, and they will prophesy. 19 I will show wonders in the heavens above and signs on the earth below, blood and fire and billows of smoke. 20 The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord. 21 And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’[c]
@@shinritee432 This does not say that women can be pastors it says that both man and women will prophesy as in Definition: proph·e·sy /ˈpräfəˌsī/ Learn to pronounce verb say that (a specified thing) will happen in the future. "Jacques was prophesying a bumper harvest"
I stumbled a cross some of your teaches weeks ago and I know that your wisdom and understanding didn’t come from you but the Holy Spirit for my wisdom came the same. It is always good to see the spirit working in others. Keep up the good work Pastor.
Found your channel today and mannnn this is a serious blessing! I’m seeing all the titles and idk which to go through first lol - May God continue to lead you in true wisdom that only He can give - blessings from Trinidad 🇹🇹
Thank you for this video...I have been trying to figure some of these things out thru scriptures and seeking the Lord. This has definitely helped me by giving me more wisdom, knowledge and understanding and confirmation 😊
I really appreciate this video. I’m a woman who gets to speak in our church regularly but our church reserves the lead pastors role as a mans role. In no way do I find this diminishing to women but in order with Gods word and design. God uses me in so many other ways and I’m so thankful he does. Thank you to the men who lead our church.
Brother Allen I think you are sound in your teaching. But I have encountered a lot of women who want to bring feminism into the Church. If you mention this topic you are called a misoginist and it usually quickly goes downhill from there. Thank you for being courageous enough to tackle this subject as not many will.
Yep, that has been my perspective as well. People appeal more to their emotions than anything else and that is what I wanted to guard against. So far the comments have all been respectful. Thanks Wayne,
There is a strong spirit of rebellion that has come into the church in this way. God's order is crystal clear and not argued by at all by serious scholars. The problems come from people simply not accepting what the word of God says.
Allen, I enjoy your channel and you do a wonderful job at approaching different issues in the church. Thank you! This is a contentious subject that quite a few denominations struggle with and have capitulated to in this area. I’ve gone through Bible college at ACU and even at the university level there are those that believe it is ok for a woman to pastor. I know that you mentioned that it is your personal opinion and I’ve approached this from my personal opinion and the biblical text, in its context! Such as you do Allen. I’ve come to find that those that believe a woman can pastor say the same, it is “our”opinion that a woman can pastor and that your missing some of the history as to what the Apostle Paul was really saying about a woman’s role in the church. Unfortunately what has happened is feminism and progressive (ism) has taken a foot hold in quite a few denominations. The Apostle Paul takes it all the way back to the garden of Eden, Adam being formed first and then Eve being created from his rib and so on... It is very difficult to reach those that believe a woman can pastor even men that ordain or allow women to pastor, you cannot reason with them even with the Bible and it’s immediate context and the cannon of scripture as a whole. Anyhow great job Allen! Have a blessed day!
I can use that same garden of eden story. Man was created first. He was given the word first. He was suppose to protect first. Eve was created second. The serpent came to the younger one spiritually. Adam stood by and allowed his wife to be decieved, then when busted by God, he blamed both God and the woman. Thus the reason women were encouraged to learn the word of God deeply, and why when no man is willing to do God's work properly, God will use a Woman. Oh and God did not use a man to create His Son. Now once you all move past the SOT (sex organ theology), then some of the stupidity and apostasy many Male leaders have allowed to creep up in the garden, can start to be destroyed with the help of wise and learned women.
Though I respectfully disagree with some of your finer points I greatly admire your zeal for The Word. Never lose that appetite for the wisdom and knowledge of The Most High. Be blessed, brother! 👍🏾 (Matt. 5:6)
I have skipped past this video for months because I, quite frankly, was scared of what I might hear. lol I attend an assembly and serve where the senior pastor is a woman (so are 90% of the elders). I've been there for 9 years and serve different auxiliaries, but have been on the fence lately about this topic. I, taking my information from God's word, also have come to the conclusion the role of the senior pastor, as God intended, is reserved for a man. Thank you for clarity. I agree with you. Our assembly is on the brink of merging with the assembly the pastor's husband pastors, and he will be assuming the role as senior pastor.
34 Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. 1 Corinthians 14: 34-35 This scripture is speaking on orderly worship.
I have to agree with Random Person's comments. Women should support a man in the Leardership role and should not be positioned in a role of a Pastor. I am not talking levels here were you have Jnr pastors Youth Pastors Assistant Pastors and Senior Pastors. To me a Pastor is a Pastor. You are either called by God or appointed by men. The set up of your congregation my sister is in question. You have too much of women there is your Assembly occupying the role set apart for men. No hard feelings though, there is an increasing need to repent and search for God across all denominations these last days. We have messed up the act of true worship by violating scripture and trying to justify our fall through human wisdom.
I dont think so . Seems pretty clear in the bible to me . But I do believe women ministries are so wonderful . Very much needed ! To teach young women how to be a women , helping each other raise children , be good wife's etc. And just a women's bible study and stuff . But no women don't need to lead Great video !
Linda Saffles yes ! And there's nothing wrong with that . It does. Jot make us less than men . We have different yet very important roles . I wish people could understand that so they could be better at serving the Lord and his people properly . Instead of trying to everything men can do . The world as well needs stop claiming it doesn't need men and realize that we need each other ! Without both roles , you can have one really messed up child
From what I know (and in no way am I trying to say that I know a lot), some people look at their pastor/s, feel convicted, and think "I want to be a pastor!" Sometimes that's not God's plan for them (as in my case), and sometimes it is (like in the case of one of my uncles). (Btw sorry for any grammatical errors.)
for me God is looking for people who will serve Him, if someone will volunteer himself to serve Him, di you think God will says no? as Jesus said pray to the father to send more workers to harvest the fields? #justforme
THE MOST grounded view on this topic I've ever heard, and I've been a believer for almost 40 years. Absolutely well put. Not that I've ever desired to be a senior pastor, but you would have persuaded me to "pass." :-)
Thank you for explaining this all so clearly, and for biblically backing it up. I always want to be certain not to offend God, so going to scripture for answers is a must. I also don't believe women should be senior pastors, or even pastors in a church, because the head of a woman is a man. The head of man is Christ and the head of Christ is God. So this is the order God has set things up, and we all must follow it. Thanks as well for clarifying that women are not banned from teaching God word at all, just in the way of pestering over a church and being lead, as that is for man only. Excellent teaching.
What are your thoughts on a female being a minister being under a male pastor? Preaching the word, visiting the sick and shut in. She's not leading because she is under a male pastor technically. What are your views?
Actually, the position of senior pastor is not even scriptural. The bible states clearly that there are to be more than one elder leading the flock. ELDERS SHOULD SHEPHERD GOD’S FLOCK. (Acts 20:28; 1 Pet. 5:2.) The word “shepherd” is the same as “pastor.” The work of pastoring is shared by the elders. It is impossible for one man to adequately pastor a church this large. The ministry of pastoring involves doing what a shepherd does for his sheep: He knows them (John 10:14); he leads them (John 10:3-4); he feeds them and guides them into the rich pastures of God’s Word (John 10:9; 1 Thess. 5:12; Titus 1:9; Heb. 13:7); he guards them from wolves (John 10:12; Acts 20:29-30); he seeks the lost and straying sheep and helps heal their wounds by getting them restored to the Lord (John 10:16; Ezek. 34:4-5); he corrects the erring or rebellious (2 Tim. 4:2); he equips the flock for maturity so that they can serve the Lord as He has gifted them (Eph. 4:11-16).
I noticed in the video he kept using the term senior pastor. So I don't think he is exclusively referring to one person but a team. But either way it's clear from the scriptures he presented the roles of men and women on this topic.
Paul says in his epistles that women are to remain humble and silent. It's to maintain order. If women want to lead than they are subject to ALL THE REQUIREMENTS men have had to do to attain their positions mentally and physically, without complaint, assistance from a man or special womens rights.
Super accurate comment. True and soud. However, it misses the main concept of the video ya know... So why throw it out there? Elder or senior pastor, Scripture simply makes this a male role. Just try and stick to the discussion and don't get tangential.
@@pastorsouther "It is an honor for a man to cease from strife: but every fool will be meddling." Proverbs 20:3 Meddle MED'DLE, verb intransitive 1. To have to do; to take part; to interpose and act in the concerns of others, or in affairs in which one's interposition is not necessary; often with the sense of intrusion or officiousness. I have thus far been an upright judge, not meddling with the design nor disposition. What hast thou to do to meddle with the affairs of my family? Why should'st thou meddle to thy hurt? 2 Kings 14:10. 2. To have to do; to touch; to handle. meddle not with edge-tools, is an admonition to children. When the object is specified, meddle is properly followed by with or in; usually by the former. The civil lawyers--have meddled in a matter that belongs not to them. MED'DLE, verb transitive To mix, to mingle. He meddled his talk with many a tear. Webster's 1828, Meddle: webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/meddle
If you are actually working on a PhD I suggest you read this academic journal: www.cbeinternational.org/resource/article/priscilla-papers-academic-journal/bible-teaches-equal-standing-man-and-woman It explicitly explains how the bible actually does promote woman leaders. Most of our errors in understanding come from not understanding the original Greek or Hebrew
In Rom 16:1-16, Paul greets by name ten people he identifies as colleagues in Christian ministry. Seven of the ten are women: Phoebe, “deacon of the church of Cenchrea” (16:1) and “leader16 of many, including myself” (16:2); Junia, “outstanding among the apostles” (16:717); Prisca, “my fellow worker in Christ Jesus” (16:3; cf. Phil 4:3); and Mary, Tryphaena, Tryphosa, and Persis “worked hard in the Lord” (16:6, 12). First Corinthians 16:16 urges believers “to be subject to every fellow laborer.” First Thessalonians 5:12 identifies “those who labor among you” as “those who are over you in the Lord.” It cannot be stressed enough that Paul is not simply listing these women as believers, but as ministry leaders. Paul greets many believers in this passage, but describes as ministry leaders only ten people, and seven of those are women. The three men are Aquila, Andronicus, and Urbanus. The first two are listed with their wives, highlighting their shared authority. Paul’s naming such a high proportion of women leaders in an open society is unparalleled in the entire history of ancient Greek literature and suggests a level of female leadership in the early church exceptional for its culture.
Thank you for addressing this topic!! I am a woman, and I am a Church of Christ Christian yesterday a friend of mine and myself we had this discussion she became upset with me I shared with her that I do not find, nor have I read anywhere in the Bible where a woman pastured the church. God has set a standard of order and an example with Adam and Eve the man Adam came/was first with or before Eve arrived that is the order and standard that we are under. not to say that a woman cannot teach she is to teach biblically to save the soul and bring to salvation that soul. like Priscilla and Aquilla but not to Shepard Gods people. if we even look at the examples of Shepards in the bible they are men that Shepard a flock or herd of people the congregation. that's the example that we have it not a position where the example or roles changes if it where God would have had it written in the Bible to tell us or show us. he has vision and fore sight. and his vision did not and has not changed we like to make things comfortable for us. even though a woman may have the gift of spreading the word she is not the Pastor of the flock of God. if she is and or was God would have told us so or had given us examples. men where sent out to lead and grow the church in the new testament
The Judge was the primary pastor/shepherd of God's people during this time period. Full essay read time: 12 minutes free postable here (In case the reader in unaware, the word pastor and the word shepherd are the same word. I prefer shepherd, because it has obvious meaning to the average person.) Major modern English translations like the NASB use the phrasing ...whom I commanded to shepherd My people... In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’ -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation Some believe that pastor (or shepherd), is a position that was created in the New Covenant. This is not true. In the Old Testament shepherds are mentioned multiple times. Often in a negative way. “My people have become lost sheep; Their shepherds have led them astray. -excerpt Jeremiah 50 For an entire chapter on worthless shepherds, the reader may check out Ezekiel 34. When the shepherd over Israel died, the people went back into sin. That is because the Judge was the most important spiritual leader of this time period. But it came about, when the judge died, that they would turn back and act more corruptly than their fathers, in following other gods to serve them and bow down to them; they did not abandon their practices or their obstinate ways. -excerpt Judges 2 Deborah, full essay read time: 12 minutes, free, postable
they don't understand that no pastor has authority over the flock to begin with, so a woman operating in the office of a pastor according to scripture is acceptable.
@@TheTruth-sc9yw Heresy. People who make your type of comment are either a female pastor, a man whose wife is a pastor or someone who already listens to a female pastor. Which one is yours?
@@PS-bn8qp how about a minister that has been operating under the POWER, CALLING, AND ANOINTING of the Holy Spirit for over 25 years. Guess you were wrong about that, I am a male and my wife is not a pastor, so I guess that makes you look foolish with your comments.
@@TheTruth-sc9yw as a Christian woman, women cannot Pastor a church. They need to learn in silence. Find a good Biblically sound church and then attend to learn in silence. But not teach. Only men can be Pastors.
@@TheTruth-sc9yw Whatever they have been doing does not make it right. If they like, let them be doing it for 1 billion year. if the Bible says no, then it simply means no. We want to create our own doctrine. We can't get to heaven on our own terms. If the Bible says it is wrong, then it is wrong. No matter how you argue it out. These are the people Jesus Christ will say " I know you not, you workers of iniquity". "They will say Lord I healed in your name, spoke in tongues and so on". Just because a person heals in the name of Jesus does not mean they are doing the right thing and it doesn't mean they will make heaven. The HOLY spirit can use anyone for God's glory even a killer.
This brother has been blessed with such a gift with relaying information out in an informative and respectful way while still being able to be convicting aswell, I believe women shouldn't be senior pastors either but women play such a pivotal role in the body of Christ, but I love seeing men and women of God standing up for there faith despite culture and using the scripture to prove there point and not just there feelings or experience
My first response to this "controversy" is that the Bible is VERY CLEAR about our role in loving others, so if is person's response is vitriolic about this issue, they should really look at themselves and fix that issue before anything else. Second, if a person does think this is wrong, don't attend or support that church/YTchannel/WS and PRAY that the HOLY SPIRIT will convict hearts if necessary. And move on to those Biblical commands that are CLEAR. Going to those in need of salvation through Jesus Christ kinda comes to mind....:)
Amen! I remember being offended by being told "your feelings don't matter," but I have been convicted from the Word and seeing how this created a slippery slope.
"I feel" is confirmed by the Holy Spirit if it is the truth. Too many look at the man, and judge him wrong, yet he's right. Does anyone ask God anymore, or do they think their study will yield the truth? You should, for God knows.
Where does God specifically say a woman should not be a pastor. If you're sure of what you're saying why give conditions. Paul may have applied circumspection to make his recommendations.
I am really grateful as ordained in office I still need to know more am in worship, and as worshiper I think it is very important to study everything concerning leading a worship team what i must do because i was looking over internet for someone to explain this but thank God that i can come across a teacher am willing to learn more not to old to take more in especially the word of God and teachings. so was very well explained thank you🙏
I am a Christian and have been in leadership prior to coming to our current church and I agree with what you are saying. We are in a church now that we love and recently changed hands to a female Pastor who has been in the church for a while. She is a wise woman, well educated, very humble and loving and we love her and her family. She has also been through the ringer and treated poorly by men in the church but handled it biblically though it hurt her. But my husband and I have said just about everything you have said and even the same scripture was brought up in Galatians to justify a female pastor and the OT women as well. We said the same thing as you did, but to no avail. It's hard because we do love this woman and she definitely has a gift of bringing the word to people but we have to stay with the Word. My point I gave is that if the church teaches the biblical order of God, and we are to follow that order AND follow the church as our example, then how can a woman be the head of the church yet she cannot be the head of her home. That is confusing. She cant say "I feel called to be the head of my home" and go for it. You cant do the same in church. The enemy's goal is to do opposite of God and that means reversing the order especially in the church. We see it in our society and it's in the church.
Regardless if she should be preaching her or not it’s ridiculous that Christian men are treating her poorly. I’m not surprised though because men often treat women terrible when they are in authoritative positions
Thank you for your comment, Sister Michelle. I appreciate how you made the correlation between leading the home and leading the church. Thanks, again. Sending love from California 🌴☀️
One must be called of the Lord to be a Shepherd and as we know our Lord He will cause the one to be under His will, whether male or female. To be in His will of His will the fruits of the shepherds work will tell all. God looks for the willing, surrendered individuals that will do His will.
God called me to be a pastor as well as a prophet. No man told me this, only God. I do not have a church but I have been an assistant pastor. I do minister in the ministry that I'm currently a part of and will continue to do so until God says stop. I doubt that He would ever tell me to stop.
The bible is very clear on this topic. If you are saved, you should have the spirit of faith according to whats written. What is written is so. We can't get caught up in what we think, what sounds good, who we think God should use or how well she speaks. The bible is the final authority. There is absolutely no where in the bible where in the bible where a women was a pastor, bishop, elder apostle or evangelist. Some women can preach much better than a man but we shouldn't go against God because she draws the crowd and the money. If we are not willing to stick to whats written, what's the sense in carrying a book that you dont believe in? God says NO! That is the order of the church. Again, if it is written, its so. AMEN...
@@jacobite9131 You are either jew or gentile. You sound like your in that racist group Hebrew Israelites and no man makes to heaven hating someone because of their born race. The lost are the ones who the devil doesn't allow to get in the Word for knowledge and then God sends me to bring the light to the lost... 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 King James Version (KJV) 3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the god of this world (satan) hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
We Preach The Word of God For Them That Are Lost: The question remains: according to the Bible (not you or me) what's the only nation/race of people on earth that's lost? By the way, your or YOUR or "YOUR" cannot be in anything, irrespective to how you look at it! I'm going to warm you up with the very first book in the New Testament: Matthew ch, 15v24, Romans ch, 9v7 and in the Old Testament: Genesis 17v19 1st Peter ch, 2v9! The number 2 comes before 4, did you read 2nd Corinthians verse 1 to ascertain that the saints were being addressed or targeted and who are the saints according to the Bible and who is the OUR in verse 3 and whose minds were blinded in verse 4?? Look here plantation Tobacco/cotton fields Christian: Psalms ch, 148v14!
Thanks for your presentation, Allen. I love your systematic breakdown of the topic and how easy your thoughts were to follow. I wish that all the sermons we heard were as easy as this to follow. And you gave so much detail in just over ten minutes, much more than we often hear in a dozen sermons. But I have some thoughts contrary to some of what you said. I hope no-one thinks I am bashing by disagreeing. One of the reasons why the NT does not show women in pastoral roles, and it is also the main reason why Jesus did not call women as Apostles, was that in that day women just did not have those roles. There are other people he did not call to be Apostles, like Gentiles. For the credibility of His mission as it started he chose a particular culture and was going to transform the lives of many beginning with that culture. The ministry would have been dead in the water if he started out with practices that the common person in the day saw as offensive as having Gentile or Women leaders. Paul seems to utilize the same strategy in the NT in some places, like in Ephesians 5 - 6. When he appeals to the household order (Men, Women, Children, Slaves) he is not using a hierarchy created by God but by Aristotle who lived centuries before him. In such an understanding of the order men held absolute power in the household and prescribed duties for the others to follow. What is interesting here is that in each couplet the Apostle mentions (Husband - Wife, Parents - Children, Masters - Slaves) he puts the greater emphasis on the man as to what is prescribed by God for him. He does this very smartly, because if he merely addressed the man without speaking to the responsibilities of the others in the household, the teaching would be summarily rejected. But Paul's strategy was planting a bug in the age-old system of oppressive relationships that gave the man the power to do as he liked. By ordering a new class of relationship, and if the man (and others) complied, then the world would be a better place. It is a fantastic missionary strategy he used with Philemon, to accept again his runaway slave, Onesimus, instead of having him put to death as the law of the land required. By accepting him as a brother Philemon fulfilled the law of the love of Christ and did not go against the law of the land. Onesimus went on to become Bishop of Byzantium. I totally agree with you that Paul was dealing with a local matter in 1 Corinthians 14. But what was that matter? The Corinthians, particularly the Jewish Christians there, were insisting on Rabbinical Law that kept women silent in religious gatherings. In 14:34-35 Paul quotes from the letter he received from the household of Chloe, as he does elsewhere in the book, and then rejects it. "What, did the word of God come to you? We have no other practice in any of the other congregations?" Nowhere else were they silencing women because this would have been going against the nature of the Gospel as outlined in Galatians 3:28. Then there is the 1 Timothy 2 passage. Paul there is speaking to a local situation in Ephesus of a "Christian Cult" appealing to women to take charge over their situations, even if it means reversing traditional roles of the family. False teachers had wormed there way into the homes of weak-willed women (not all women) and gained control of them (2 Timothy 3:6). Many of the elements of that cult were destructive to the family and particularly to the Christian witness in the community. In such circumstances Paul appeals to the account of Adam and Eve to show what happens when the woman tries to act independently of the man. He appeals to the same story two other times in the NT and in each case he makes a different point. In Romans 5 Adam is the culprit who plunges all humanity into sin, perhaps because he was not deceived. In 2 Corinthians 11:3 he refers to the story but places all the blame on the serpent, though he does say that Eve was deceived. If the passage is teaching that women should not teach men because women are easily deceived then why should they teach other women or children? The admonition here that women should learn in silence is an admonition to anyone (man, woman and child) who wants to teach while possessing a spirit of superiority and irreverence for the things of God. Such is not compatible with the attitude God desires for His servants who will be leading others One last point - appealing to the way I feel is not "logics" but an appeal to emotions. You asked your viewers not to do that, but in various parts of the presentation you did just that.
Well taught Pastor, beautiful exegesis of truth from the Word. This message needs to be heard publicly on every channel worldwide. Men that are Pastor's need to lift their voices like a trumpet and stand for the truth, and stop being the tail...God, man then woman
I’m a woman. I like how you really try to reference the Bible in every aspect. I love learning about the Bible, low key high key want to go to seminary school. Definitely do not want to be a senior pastor haha. And for some reason the churches that do have a woman as a senior pastor are just odd. I respect God’s order, I’m here for it. Glad you can clarify that woman can prophesy and speak. That right there, I’m totally open to doing.
@@19Ivano75 You may not like the order that God has setup but that doesn't change anything. Your wife is going against the Word of God if she is standing before men to minister.
1:56 I don't think 'logic' is the correct term, I think the correct term would be 'bias'. Logic technically means a valid interpretation of truth without inconsistency or fallacy. Love your videos by the way, please keep posting lessons like this.
@George Tito "but women will be saved through childbearing" (NLT) so with the same logic that women can't preach then women also wont be saved if they never have kids. I myself never want to have children of my own so even if i am a christ follower who devotes my life to God wont be saved cause i dont want to give birth to a child? Yeah sure.
Thank you for speaking on this! Even as a young girl, I have been able to recognize the need for a man or boy in leadership. Last school year, I was accepted to be a leader in my school's Bible Study. Since only girls requested to be in the leadership, there were only girls. I feel like I should have asked to be the primary leader because the one who was the primary was very emotion-driven. She contradicted the Bible in the Bible Study sessions several times. The other girl and I probably only talked once about it. I regret never telling our sponsor or confronting her but it really opened my eyes to the need for a guy in leadership and I respect it a lot more now. Yet, my mom stated how God could use a woman if He wanted to and I don't doubt it. Like in the scenario of how no guys wanted to be in the Bible Study leadership, the girls had to step up.
My dear Victoria, don't be afraid nor shy to jump into leadership because you are a woman. That idea that only men should be leading is dying. Whereas the traditional family setting idolize the presence of men in the house as the leader, some (not all) men nowadays are just coward and irresponsible (that's a verifiable fact). We are living in a fatherless society and regardless the roots of the issue, we can't expect men to take the reign as they used to before. Just the fact that your parents are harder on you compared to your brother because you are a woman will make you a more responsible citizen. The fact that there are more women at church compared to men, I don't want a man to teach me about period or menopause, things that he will never experience. The Bible should be read with context and applied with a revelation of the Holy Spirit.
@@qwaxerty I share this in love hun- the same Holy Spirit wrote the scriptures so we must not encourage being divisive as it's God we'll have to account to in the end. If its areas where there are only women and she is led by God to share having knowledge of God's word then that's one thing....it just needs to be in respect of God's order which came before the law and is encouraged in the NT.. lack of this is the reason the home is divided- we women must encourage the men regardless of how much they may cower from their roles... pray for them, encourage them, build them up, love them while speaking the truth appropriately because in emotions we can powerfully tear them down and this truth is found at different times throughout scripture...Much love and God bless you
@@21anokha While making the man is the head of the family and the church is God's original plan, that plan is falling apart big-ly and I refuse to believe that God will let his people perish if Christian men don't man up. We are living in a society where even Christian men are irresponsible, abusive and entitled. I'd rather sin by attending a church led by a pious woman than a church led by a man who lust after his female congregants. Same thing in the household: all women don't want to be the boss, it's because some Christian men don't even read and know the Bible to teach their family anything. Being a supportive woman should not be carrying a man's load. Unfortunately, Christian men want to be free-riders, take advantage of women and use the Bible as advocate.
@@Agent-cj5uk Thank you! The Bible verse is being poorly interpreted. Sorry, a man full of himself should not be in leadership position. This is ungodly and unbiblical.
@@Agent-cj5uk there is also his video where he states that Christians shouldn't fight racism. Nonsense! No wonder some people see Christians as bigots.
Remember when Jesus said deny yourself , that means the things you thought to be true, right, wrong , your feelings. I don’t think we are willing to be taught
One of the only UA-camrs I know of that consistently approaches everything Christlike and honorable to the body of Christ. UA-cam is not an easy thing to do and you do it well! Thank you
I admire you. You stand for your faith even if it's unpopular. I love it and it helps me to clear up things I thought were right and you confirmed. God speaks through His Word, I pray and He brings to memory Bible verses or thoughts that I didn't know I knew and then He never fails to confirm. No, He does NOT speak to me audibly but through the Spirit. It takes growth to understand SpiritSpeak but once you do, it is so amazing. God bless you.
Thank you so much Brenda. It is not easy to stand up for what we believe but at the end of the day, we cannot argue with the clear teaching of the word of God. Jesus said that we would be unpopular and outnumbered, but we must stand firm.
As a Christian woman I agree with you 100%! (Our opinions are not necessary to the Bible tho) I loved the part on importance of roles. A dollar bill and 4 quarters look different, and yet their value is the same!
But his opinion is that woman is not a senior pastor, but can be junior pastor. Him and Frank Turek. So do you agree with that or that it is for men only?
Shalom beloved one, I think you did a fantastic job supporting how you view this subject, but I would like to appeal to some things that may need to be adhered to. One of the more important things here is culture. You told us not to appeal to culture, but culture is one of the principles of exegesis. Also, God operates within the confinement of a particular people group. Also you keep mentioning "senior pastor" as we know this phrase is not biblical but cultural. We know that congregations were shepherded by not just one person but by many people i.e. elders. I believe this argument comes down to conviction! If a congratulation believes (from how they view the scripture) that women can join their leadership in guiding the community by the Spirit then beautiful. On the other hand, if another congregation believes differently then so be it. Neither of the two are sining. The most important thing here is what Paul mentioned in Roman's 8:14 "be lead by the Spirit". I love you beloved one keep up the work. Shalom
Yes, There are pastors, elders and deacons mentioned in the Bible but never a "Senior Pastor". No " Senior Elders" or "Junior Elders" or "Junior Pastors" . Why make a distinction. Pastors period. I agree. I went to Seminary and was often asked if I was going to be a pastor, as if there were no other reason to go to Seminary! I agree no women pastors.
This is spot on with what the bible says! Well done, brother Allen, for sticking to biblical truth! For me personally, I would never want to be in the role of pastor. There is SO much responsibility as well as emotional and spiritual strength needed for that job. People, pray for your pastor!!
Thank you brother Allen! I agree that women are allowed to serve in the church being in submission to God and the church leadership. However I wish to add this. When I worked in Singapore , I attended a church which had a female senior pastor, she was an American who lived in Singapore for decades and helped establish this megachurch. She was just excellent, so powerful in her messages, and a wonderful godly leader. She was an excellent example for all women, especially us younger females in the way she dressed with such modesty, in her passion for God and His people and her humility, she had a warm,caring personality. She trained the younger Singaporean pastors, and many years ago she left the church and a male senior pastor was appointed. When I lived in Beijing, I worked for a huge international church which had an American senior elder, a male - who was so difficult to work with, he gave the impression that he disapproved of non American women, I did not feel shepherded by this man, he treated me with disapproval and anger, everyone used to complain about him even his sermons lacked depth. So I think it may in some cases depend on the character and personality of female leaders in the church, their heart , passion for God and commitment to honor God and His Word- women like Paula White have absolutely no business in church leadership. But as a woman, I submit to Gods Word and choose to honor His Word. Personally, I have never had any desire to be a pastor of a church, I love building relationships with people and encouraging them, praying with them, one on one.
I was just saying this the other day. Someone asked me to visit their church, but their pastor is a women. I told my husband, I’m not going because their pastor is a women. Of course, I was polite to the one that extended the invitation, just not going to attend. I love your teachings because they are honest and truthful! God Bless You, Allen!
@@kennythekoala8026 I understand where she is coming from with this, if a church can not live by the Bible then why go to that church, you can't clean my house if your house is dirty
@@kennythekoala8026 you have itching ears The word of God is clear about that women are not to be pastors here 1 Timothy 2:12 and here 1 Corinthians 14:32-35 and in many other scripture. Women will prophesy that does not mean we will preach it means: Definition: proph·e·sy /ˈpräfəˌsī/ Learn to pronounce verb say that (a specified thing) will happen in the future. "Jacques was prophesying a bumper harvest" in 2 Timothy 4. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
WOW!! In all reality, we tend to box GOD to our mindsets...all I know is God can use what or whomever he desires. Plus I think people need to study and research to understand what was taking place as to why Paul made the statement he made. 2nd i think above all else, seek God for understanding.
So many people have asked about this so here is what I believe the bible teaches. Please provide a HEALTHY and RESPECTFUL comment below! Love ya and let me know your thoughts!
THE BEAT by Allen Parr Thank you!!! As a woman who has recently announced being called into the ministry of preaching, I have greatly wrestled with this. My upbringing is such that women preachers were not allowed at all. However, I knew that the Holy Spirit had guided me into this calling. It 100% was not a calling that I was thinking of doing on my own. No, I am not to be a pastor, at all. A minister? Yes! Thank you for the sound scripture references. God bless you and yours.
THE BEAT by Allen Parr. l respect and agree.
THE BEAT by Allen Parr I struggled with this because my grandmother Pastored after my grandfather passed... but when my uncle/ her son "came on over to the Lord's side", she passed it to him and has not interfered with how he has and is currently pastoring. However, according to scripture, I do agree wth this entire video.
THE BEAT by Allen Parr Bro had to get armored up with prayer lol that was funny, great video btw
The guidelines were perfect addition also,God bless
THE BEAT by Allen Parr hey man great videos they have really helped me out. Just a question though I’m confused on your definition of logic bc I thought logic wasn’t based on feelings rather it is based on facts and evidence or at least should be when used correctly. Anyways a repose would be great.
I have learned that most of the time even when I think I’m not going to like God’s ways, I end up finding joy in the way he created things to be. I can rest in the fact that his ways are perfect, even if they may not seem to be to us at first.
Wow... True revelation of the Gospel...
Wisdom! You spoke that! FACTS!
Amen
someone make this a quote 😭
Well said. Healthy point of view.
God has an order and He never changes regardless of societal norms
I wish that Women would get this! As for me, yes, I would LOVE to be a Pastor! However, it does not matter what I want, only what God wants. Thank you for this Video!
Acts 2:
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“‘In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.
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Even on my servants, both men and women,
I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
and they will prophesy.
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I will show wonders in the heavens above
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blood and fire and billows of smoke.
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The sun will be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood
before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.
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on the name of the Lord will be saved.’[c]
You are so right and that's the kind of a lady I'm looking for but needs to be led by God who joins me together with her Matthew 19:6 God bless you precious
Amen sister. I hope as women we can be brave to be submissive to the word
@@biblicalbee2082 I like what you said at the end about being brave by submitting to the word. The hard thing in the matter is a lot of women have trouble following the word of God and submitting themselves unto their own husbands as unto the Lord. And what that means as unto the Lord, is as long as their husbands are in line with the word of God and leaving her correctly according to the will of God then she can follow up under her husband's leadership which God ordained him to be the man of the home from the beginning of time.
And husbands need to love their wives enough to die for them, just like how Christ loved the church enough to DIE for them, and gave HIMSELF for us. Ephesians 5:23 25
@@jeffreymartin5386 : If men were really loving their wives in the privacy of their own home and respecting their wives in public and in front of their children , then women would fall safely into their husbands arms submissively. I grew up with a dad who did not do this and my mom was still submissive to him .
I discovered this channel yesterday and I have spent the last 8 hours straight minimum watching these videos! I’m so encouraged and inspired!
After reading the Bible in its entirety .
I believe it clearly states women should Not pator over men . At any time .... can they do other teaching for the kingdom of God yes .
Please dont be scared to teach the truth about Gods word . We dont have to sugar coat anything for anybody.
Nicole C. Well said!
Agreed Nicole...The Word is the standard not feelings, opinions or the culture.
Bless you brother!
That is awesome! Thank you so much for taking the time to watch and for sharing your perspective Nicole C.!
Thanks so much for watching and for your comment wordwarrior42! God bless,
As a female and I have absolutely no problem submitting to Gods word and what it actually says. I’m very glad you stuck to the Bible and spoke the truth. This video was very helpful thank you.
Thanks so much Rebeca Iacob, I'm so glad you found it helpful! Thanks again for taking the time to watch. God bless Rebeca Iacob,
Jesus had female disvples.
@@celticmist14 Whether he did or did not is not a reason to cite for why women today cannot be leaders/pastors. Christ was a JEW, followed JUDAISM to a TEE going so far to wait until 30 years before he began his ministry. He did not marry but I don't see anyone using that as reason why a man should not marry today for obvious reasons. The problem today is that MANY MANY people like Mr. Parr and others here have taken Paul's instructions to the church in HIS TIME and made them LAW for our time. In the process they have done a great disservice to the body of Christ and have removed the HOLY SPIRIT as the TEACHER for us today whose job is to LEAD US INTO ALL TRUTH. Clearly there was STILL MORE TRUTH to be revealed after Christ left and I could assure you, there is still MORE TRUTH to be revealed today. See my comment above for more insight on this topic.
@The bible approves Abortion That's the first thing Hitler did when he got into power.
@The bible approves Abortion Supposedly but killed Christians, Jews, and Blacks. He banned books that disagreed with his position. That’s the point I’m making.
As a Christian woman, I believe you have stayed true to God's word and did an excellent job explaining this topic.
pippy5121984 I am totally agree with him. God bless your heart Allen, I'm getting lots of knowledge from the Bible about this topic.
Not true justice was done to it but it was a good explanation nevertheless.
amen!👍🏽
Thank you so much for your support. The fear of of appearing sexist is one of the biggest issues men have with trying not to befriend the world.
We should be bold with the Word and not confine with the world, nothing should astray what the spirit teaches in the Word even if it's against our beliefs, or in contrast to our fears.
Living in the day and age we are in now and being a child of God myself I find it soo humbling to be beside my husband. I would never want to have authority over my husband . He's the head of our family and I'm his helper. We walk beside each other. Helping each other as God designed us to be. Thank you Allen Parr, you brought that out soo beautifully.
Good for you
In the book of 1 Timothy chapter 2 it says a woman can't preacher
Aww, what a blessing as the Lord has tempered your heart. God’s order is always perfect and although many believe and do otherwise, He is the same today, tmrw and forever.
@@jbfam7208 Amen 🙏🙏🙏
Ohhhh Brother.....
I am 11 years old and this channel has helped me alot , I give thanks to GOD for allowing me to see this channel and thank you MR Allen parr for being a true person and not a prosperity peracher aka false prophet.
May God’s grace strengthen you to overcome
hii yea lol im about as old as u too and im trying to learn more about God and the bible. God bless u
🤣🤣 🇳🇬 aka fake prophet
Amen God bless you💕
Gino jennings is a man of GOD search him out brother
As long as you stick to scripture who can argue with God's word ?
You definitely did your homework.
Blessings brother
Jerry Hernandez 1 Corinthians 14 chapter 34-40 read carefully the Bible is the true word of god
@@sidepot you good bro?
Ken King why are you here? If you disagree?
jocelyn carillo
What a dumb fucking question. Do you only want people in here who agree with you? Do you want no challenges to what you believe? Christianity and other religions have perpetuated misogyny and unequal treatment of women. I don’t buy into your bullshit and I speak out against it. So put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Young Goat
I’ve been good for many years bro. I left all this bullshit behinds a couple of decades ago. Never been happier.
My grandfather was a preacher for around 50 years..my grandmother was like a rock to him supporting him as he preached to the church..without her i dont know how he could have done it..they were a team.. He preached his last message in a chair and died from heart disease 2 days later... She was his support.. What a great woman of faith she was. I long to see them again in glory. My grandma was a great woman and supporting wife.. We need more of that in this life
I love that. Women working alongside men to build God’s kingdom.
Thsts so beautiful, I'm so sorry about grandfather. And your grandmother sounds like a wonderful women.
Proverbs 27:17. Don't think for a second that women can't support a man and help him and teach him. She just can't be the role of a pastor.
@@deborahadeniji808 in the new covenant of Jesus Christ it is back to Genesis 1:26 for the regenerated born-again man only, therefore women don't work alongside men as some in the false religion of CHRISTIANITY would like to have it. In Christ men and women work together in spiritual dominion with Christ the only SUPREME HEAD of the church; they are not over each other as was created by their fall in Eden Genesis 3:12-16 akjv.
Ok and yet women should not preach but be humble.
I just found you today. I've listened to quite a few videos already and I CAN'T BELIEVE I'VE FINELY FOUND SOMEONE WHO I AGREE WITH BIBLICALLY!!!! So refreshing!!! You are thorough and clear. This is soooo needed in this day and age!!!
I think you nailed this subject on the head, well presented, balanced and scriptural.
Sean Bezuidenhout I completely agree
Thanks so much for watching and for your comment Sean Bezuidenhout! God bless,
Thanks so much for watching and for your comment Felecia Harris! God bless,
I agree 100%. I have no problem with this. This is how God ordained it, and I am grateful for it.
Amen!
Me too...very grateful!!!
Natalia Miranda I totally agree
Natalia Miranda And women also suffer under the male as his slave. Just saying.
saint of jesus Christ I disagree. Some people think they have to say that. There’s a difference. Bcuz people say that men have to be the head all day long but what we actually see happening in life is the opposite. Women are the head and doing everything. While men are doing nothing but chasing their egos, trying to look like strong capable men. So if the man is the head, is only bcuz a woman is casting that illusion, and even then, he is still not the head, bcuz his wife or gf is doing it all. His mother or daughter is doing it all. Women somewhere are doing it all and he is really doing nothing.
Your respectfulness and gentle nature regarding this issue is incredibly Jesusly. You’re so respectful that I made up a word for it lol.
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@Dragon Forge Is "Jesusly" copyrighted or can I use it?
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Hah? Anong Jesusly ?
I absolutely agree with you the Bible is so clear but we like to change it to how it suits us.. Thank God for wisdom thank you for your channel shedding light thank you for doing God's work
I respect what God wants from me. I am a nurse and I use that as my ministry. I would love to be a pastor, but I know my God given place and I cherish it. Keeps me and my family safe.
WOW. YES YES YES. God bless you my dear, and I pray that He keeps you and the family safe
Please PRAY about it, if God has given you the gifts of ministry you may be being called by the Holy Spirit to be a pastor. PRAY boldy and use discernment there are plenty of cases in which women have churches as Jesus has disciples. We take the gospels as word of God however the context of the time is that women were not educated equally and therefore the women did not write as men did. However women had churches, were deacons. and scripture even points to how women and men have to have a different role in church because of roman law: 1 Cor 34: 'Women[a] should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.' notice how it is not his Law(mosaic or God'd Law which is capitalized and the government or roman law is not.) I also want to mention some senior pastors who had their own church, Aquila and Prisca.
My sister, if God has called you to Pastor you are a pastor whether you want to or not. If you don’t do it you’re being disobedient. Now with that being said, what would that look like for you? It means God has placed people in your life that he wants you to minister to. It doesn’t have to consist of a formal platform. When you open your mouth, that spot where you stand becomes the pulpit. It may be for a season and a reason God chose you to pastor/mentor those few. That’s what pastoring is. God bless
@@willcarruth3951 I respect that
"I know my God given place" made me shiver. So much humility. Love u
Very well said! As someone who was raised to be a strong independent woman, I agree 100%!!! Woman are just as important as men are in the Church. We are just different and have different roles. I wish society as a whole would embrace our differences and celebrate them.
Your OPINION sounds good. But that's not biblical. Same sex marriage between two people in love SOUNDS good. But that's not biblical.
@CuriouStan 1st Corinthians chapter 14 verse 34. Read it in your Bible and then get back to me. If you go by the Bible you'll see. If you go by opinions then you are on your own
@@dougsmith9352 What are you even talking about? Are you trying to say that women and men aren’t equal in worth? Tell me how the verse you’ve referred to runs opposite to that idea.
@@dougsmith9352 1 cor 14:34 is speaking about tongues and prophesying in tongues, that what the while chapter is referring to in regards to edifying the church understanding of unknown tongues but you do have a point about the specific verse its really not of context to what Paul is speaking about in the chapter if it not referring to tongues alone, what do you make it out to be?
Their roles are different in the home where the male is the natural head, not in the assembly OF GOD where Christ is the SPIRITUAL HEAD OF ALL.
When someone says “I feel”… That is not applying logic, that is Emotion. Logical thinking is helpful when Reading the Bible to discern what God is telling us.
Heather Swenor true
The masses go with one scripture that they think answers this question. Ignoring much scripture on woman and their leadership
YEP
@Soupmaster101 Heather is quite right. Logic is "Reasoning assessed according to strict principles of validity" (Oxford Dictionary) It is not about feelings. YHVH expects us to use our minds (Genesis 2:19, Isaiah 1:18)
Agreed, idk why he said that.
I was led to Jesus Christ by a woman pastor. I'm so glad she answered the call to be a pastor. I was suicidal at that time I met her, 20 years ago, and now I have a husband and a family of my own. She started pastoring at 15 and now is 80. She has led many to Christ. I believe it's the Holy Spirit in her that brings the harvest. God bless!!
That's amazing she led you to Christ and many others. That is a mandate by God regardless of gender. However the "office" of pastor is for men and men only. She would be to also teach you and others that she cannot hold the office of Pastor, but she can exercise her gifts of the spirit. Titus 1:5-9 and really close attention verse 16. Go back to the fall Genesis 3 and understand why God created order. This is not a man versus woman or men or better than women, this is a God in His holiness giving us roles and responsibilities in HIS kingdom. I hope your husband is saved and both of you are in the Word of God. I will be praying for you in your walk. (Please note this is said in a conversation tone, not argumentative.)
Also, 1 Timothy 2:8-15 is helpful and gives clarity.
There is no woman Pastor no matter what anyone says. The word of God speaks clearly! Whatever woman is on a pulpit preaching is in great sin with God!
@@fitzbjones Well said. Yep, Women bringing people to God is evangelical work that anybody can do but the office of pastor is for men as stated.
I know of a lady who goes to Pakistan to preach. I think she is about 80 yrs old. I have no doubt the Spirit of the Lord is upon her. As a matter of fact. I just watched her on TV today....Dec 27th. ...and she ROCKS. God bless her and her daughter.✝️
God is not gender prejudice, neither is the BORN-AGAIN REGENERATED MAN; the fallen UNREGENERATED UNREPENTANT man is; Many people here are either not born again or don't read the bible AKJV. THEY LISTEN MEN AND READ THEIR WRITINGS. GOD HAS HIS OWN WRITINGS AND PLAN.
I totally agree with your view. This teaching just confirmed what I believe to be true. You are an excellent teacher of the Word of God! Thank you!
As a woman living near San Francisco where all the roles, genders and values are blurred and consumed by chaos; thank you for providing Gods word in a clear and inviting way.
~blessings
Oh my word. You're in the heart of something I only read about. God bless you
@@marfialennox2642 I also live in the area. Idk why people make it seem like it's "that bad" here. God is omnipresent. He's just as much near and IN San Francisco as He is anywhere else.
I'm not discounting the other comment, but we need to speak truth about this. God is very much here, too. Amen.
Amen sister
This was the most simple way of explaining it with BIBLE only , not emotions. GREAT JOB BROTHER
Great job indeed!
Emotions will deceive you completely all the time!!!
The majority of churches in seattle are run by women pastors which are all liberal churches which are also pro homosexual and pro transgender believes and pro abortion which all of these subjects are sins!
@@juandoe9694 I never been to Seattle. Wow that's not good , we can't attach ourselves to God and allow those sins to be overlooked.
@@godschild9738 all sins should be taken seriously!!
Hi Allen, I’ve been watching your videos for a while and they are so helpful to me. You have an amazing gift from the Lord. Thank you for making these videos. God bless you!
My husband and I listened to 3 of your sermons tonight, and all we can say is AMEN. May God bless you daily as you speak his word to us.
I agree! Women shouldn’t pastor over men. I am a woman too. 😊
Season1 better2 Witnessing isn’t the same as holding a position of authority. That alone tells me you need biblical knowledge.
Season1 better2 Next time you express yourself make sure you at least have a vague idea of what Biblical doctrine is. The Bible speaks of roles, you seem to ignore that and give a verse that has nothing to do with the subject. Unless your 9 years old; I’d understand. 🤷🏻♂️
Season1 better2 Ignore te word “role”, but you have to discard the term “trinity”. They’re marked concepts. If the Bible says women shouldn’t be an authority over men in church all you have to do is obey. It seems it’s you who wants to twist scripture. 1 Timothy 3 gives the requisites for elders, it refers to men. If you say it applies to women you’re adding words that aren’t there. Then you are what you accuse me of. Stick to your own claims, will you?! 🤷🏻♂️
@Season1 better2 :"If thete are no men to pastor or men willing to pastor" Usually spoken by people in churches with no especial dearth of men.
Season1 better2
you sinful man.
Maaaaaaaaan listen. I tapped this video quick. I'm the worship pastor and I have always wondered about this lol. I'm ok with what your saying! Because you were able to back it up with scripture. It's all good. I just want to serve God and the people!❤️
Felecia Harris God bless you Sister Lord Jesus touch Felicia in a mighty way Lord lead her in truth Lord bless this lady as she spreads your word thank you Jesus we ask this in Jesus mighty name amen
I'm sure you are doing a PHENOMENAL job as a worship leader. Once again, it's a tough subject. It really is and I wrestled with it as well. Sometimes I wish we could make the Bible say what we want it to say but we just can't. You keep lifting up God's name in praise! God bless,
Felecia Harris serve God Yahweh and not the people
Felecia Harris “Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.”
1 Corinthians 14:34 KJV
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It's right there in the word... let the church say NO!!
Finally someone who stands up for God's word, God bless you// Daniel from Sweden
Suedi mannen
He’s wrong tho
@@dgbdreamgrindbelievesports4351 🙄🙄
@@antonfredriksson9133
Are you an intelligent numbskull?
I love this pastor. He sticks to the scriptures which is great. As a woman I follow what the holy scriptures teach on women leadership in church.
You do such an amazing job at speaking the truth in a kind and non offensive way. Thank you for your honesty in Biblical truths!
Acts 2:
16 No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:
17
“‘In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.
18
Even on my servants, both men and women,
I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
and they will prophesy.
19
I will show wonders in the heavens above
and signs on the earth below,
blood and fire and billows of smoke.
20
The sun will be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood
before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.
21
And everyone who calls
on the name of the Lord will be saved.’[c]
@@shinritee432 you have itching ears
The word of God is clear about that women are not to be pastors here 1 Timothy 2:12 and here 1 Corinthians 14:32-35 and in many other scripture. Women will prophesy that does not mean we will preach it means: Definition: proph·e·sy
/ˈpräfəˌsī/
Learn to pronounce
verb
say that (a specified thing) will happen in the future.
"Jacques was prophesying a bumper harvest"
in 2 Timothy 4. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
@@Read..Matthew-11..28 You go girl! Love it!
These type of experiences will keep us MARGINALIZED. After reading from Bible, I started questioning everything that is not proper in the Church. Although I expected change but there was none, instead ignored and cut out. For years and years, I followed to honor and submit to the authority, but now I realize it was a huge mistake, as we are not to please people, leaders, pastors ,but God alone.
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You have a huge amount of respect from me for taking up this *very controversial topic* . Thank you for not sugar coating anything from the bible and only speaking the Truth . We need that .
Allen, you did a wonderful job in handling this sensitive issue according to the contextual truth of scripture. It’s wonderful to hear sound doctrine when it’s rarely preached these days. May God continue to bless you’re ministry and you’re family.
As a woman, I can't even begin to understand why a woman would want to shepherd a church ...
The same reason a man would. God calls everyone to serve him, if we don't do it, who will? Christianity is all about your relationship and connection with God, it's not based by gender at all. Which ever way you choose to serve God, he supports you. No where does it say women can't preach, or men have to preach. It's based on the male led society in thoes days, that's why we assume men have to lead the church.this is really based on the fact that can women preach to men? Because in the video, the man gave an example she can preach over the children's church, or a live session, etc. But not in a senior pastor church or congragation. So what is it? Can women preach , but not to men, or is it that women can't preach at all? until God himself a says women can't preach, that's when I'll change my mind. God gives both men and women gifts to serve him in any way and if thoes gifts happen to be to preach, so be it.
Cause when god calls you god calls you
@@Galatians360 but God has called female pastors. It's not about gender, it's about what you are preaching. It's still the same word from God . A woman doesn't translate something wrong to it. Whoever can carry the church so be it. Joyce Myer is an amazing female pastors, I actually understood more from her. If God calls you he calls you
@@Galatians360 Albert of course I know God doesn't value women any less, but the fact that Adam was created first, and women second, doesn't have anything to do with how the church is ordered. Women aren't " acting like men" when they preach they are just doing what anyone would do. God has order and gives specific orders in the Bible, however he never mentioned that women should not preach. There is a place in the Bible where it says women should be silent, but that was from that scriptures writers understanding ( I think Peter). Ok if women should be silent, then how come women can preach in children's churches, that's contradictions your own words!!!!! Btw just because Satan approaches even first and was persuaded and tricked, is PURE HUMAN NATURE. if someone told you to not eat something, but didn't tell u why, or anything about it, its PURE HUMAN NATURE TO BE CURIOUS. Heck even also persuaded Adam to eat it too so what do u say about that. I appreciate your side of the argument, but u gave no viable eveidence to counter what I said.
@@Galatians360 I respect your opinion, but in order to be a pastor, you must preach as we all know. Of course women can preach, but they can also pastor. I am not anywhere trying to put words in your mouth, but the Bible is very clear about how things are supposed to run. And God doesn't joke about the church, therefore he wouldve been extremely specific on who he wanted to lead and preach the church. But he wasn't, because it doesn't matter what gender does, it's about the word you are learning, not who's mouth it comes from. All female pastors were called from God to lead Thier church. Trust me if God didn't want women to preach eh would've said so, and would've told thoes female pastors otherwise 😊
I appreciate your Biblical perspective. God's ways are best.
I used to be a some kind of a feminist(toxic) but now that I understand our role, i didn't get any anger watching thru this vid, thankyu Lord for that
That’s such a relief to hear it’s getting worse I’m called a misogynist for standing up for the Bible? That means Gods a misogynist too right?
do you know it is even possible to be feminist and not toxic?
Amen and God Bless You !
@@19Ivano75 did you know its possible to not be a feminist and not be against women and not be against fair treatment?
Praying for more sisters like you
And Priscilla was a woman who opened up her house to Paul to teach and preach the word. She had a hospitality gift.
She Priscilla she correct him in what the Holy Spirit was given
she was Paul's boss, was oftem mentioned before the husband and corrected apollos as well. Great leader... Phoebe deacon, Junia Apostle, Priscilla co-worker in Christ
@@19Ivano75 3 Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus: Romans 16:3.
No where does it say she was Paul’s boss a pastor or a teacher of the Word. She was a helper. Stop adding to the word of Gods will remove you from the book of life.
No woman in the bible was a preacher no woman suppose to be apostle
@@sophiacherrington6765 Wrong dear sister, Junia was Apostle, Miriam was Leader, Debora was Judges, Magdalene was the first Preacher, Philip's doughters were prophets, of corse they were not allowed to speak in public nor to learn to read the Scriptures, but does make things better? If so let us come back to slavery, which is what too many people in power would like.
I LOVED THIS!!!! this cleared up so much issues for me... one of the best videos out there on the subject!
Robin Matos thanks so much! I really appreciate that.
Acts 2:
16 No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:
17
“‘In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.
18
Even on my servants, both men and women,
I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
and they will prophesy.
19
I will show wonders in the heavens above
and signs on the earth below,
blood and fire and billows of smoke.
20
The sun will be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood
before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.
21
And everyone who calls
on the name of the Lord will be saved.’[c]
A visiting evangelist to my area told us how people kept asking him, "Are you a pastor? A teacher? An evangelist? What are you? He responded, "I don't know. I just do the work."
Serving one another in love is our greatest calling to one another, and humility and prayer is vital to knowing our calling.
Good teaching, scripture is abundantly clear on the topic.
Acts 2:
16 No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:
17
“‘In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.
18
Even on my servants, both men and women,
I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
and they will prophesy.
19
I will show wonders in the heavens above
and signs on the earth below,
blood and fire and billows of smoke.
20
The sun will be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood
before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.
21
And everyone who calls
on the name of the Lord will be saved.’[c]
@@shinritee432 This does not say that women can be pastors it says that both man and women will prophesy as in Definition: proph·e·sy
/ˈpräfəˌsī/
Learn to pronounce
verb
say that (a specified thing) will happen in the future.
"Jacques was prophesying a bumper harvest"
I love the way that you always stick to the truth of God's word, and don't 'modernise' to suit today's norms.
feelings arent logic, they are emotions. big difference
Personal psychology or philosophy, really. At best.
Man, man, man, this is quality content right here. Thank you. Very thoughtful and careful, full of respectfulness, honour and truth. 🙌🏻
I stumbled a cross some of your teaches weeks ago and I know that your wisdom and understanding didn’t come from you but the Holy Spirit for my wisdom came the same. It is always good to see the spirit working in others. Keep up the good work Pastor.
Found your channel today and mannnn this is a serious blessing! I’m seeing all the titles and idk which to go through first lol - May God continue to lead you in true wisdom that only He can give - blessings from Trinidad 🇹🇹
Lord God Jesus Christ bless Trinidad Abundantly!
I agree I love how you broke this down! Amazing truly amazing because this was something i needed answered.
Thank you for this video...I have been trying to figure some of these things out thru scriptures and seeking the Lord. This has definitely helped me by giving me more wisdom, knowledge and understanding and confirmation 😊
I really appreciate this video. I’m a woman who gets to speak in our church regularly but
our church reserves the lead pastors role as a mans role. In no way do I find this diminishing to women but in order with Gods word and design. God uses me in so many other ways and I’m so thankful he does. Thank you to the men who lead our church.
@Kelly Martinez and that what the bible is advocating for. The synergy and support to the leadership without usurping their authority
Brother Allen I think you are sound in your teaching. But I have encountered a lot of women who want to bring feminism into the Church. If you mention this topic you are called a misoginist and it usually quickly goes downhill from there. Thank you for being courageous enough to tackle this subject as not many will.
Yep, that has been my perspective as well. People appeal more to their emotions than anything else and that is what I wanted to guard against. So far the comments have all been respectful. Thanks Wayne,
Here is some great advice on how to increase male engagement at your church: edifythebody.org/curriculums/
Feminism means equal rights... it disturbs many church people, sadly!
@@19Ivano75 what rights do men have that women dont?
There is a strong spirit of rebellion that has come into the church in this way. God's order is crystal clear and not argued by at all by serious scholars. The problems come from people simply not accepting what the word of God says.
I am in 100% agreement with your point of view.
Thank you for being on YT!
I am so blessed and inspired by your teaching!
Allen, I enjoy your channel and you do a wonderful job at approaching different issues in the church. Thank you! This is a contentious subject that quite a few denominations struggle with and have capitulated to in this area. I’ve gone through Bible college at ACU and even at the university level there are those that believe it is ok for a woman to pastor. I know that you mentioned that it is your personal opinion and I’ve approached this from my personal opinion and the biblical text, in its context! Such as you do Allen. I’ve come to find that those that believe a woman can pastor say the same, it is “our”opinion that a woman can pastor and that your missing some of the history as to what the Apostle Paul was really saying about a woman’s role in the church. Unfortunately what has happened is feminism and progressive (ism) has taken a foot hold in quite a few denominations. The Apostle Paul takes it all the way back to the garden of Eden, Adam being formed first and then Eve being created from his rib and so on... It is very difficult to reach those that believe a woman can pastor even men that ordain or allow women to pastor, you cannot reason with them even with the Bible and it’s immediate context and the cannon of scripture as a whole. Anyhow great job Allen! Have a blessed day!
You agreed with a S-xist B-tch.
I think thats 'The Fire Place' for ya.
I can use that same garden of eden story. Man was created first. He was given the word first. He was suppose to protect first. Eve was created second. The serpent came to the younger one spiritually. Adam stood by and allowed his wife to be decieved, then when busted by God, he blamed both God and the woman. Thus the reason women were encouraged to learn the word of God deeply, and why when no man is willing to do God's work properly, God will use a Woman. Oh and God did not use a man to create His Son. Now once you all move past the SOT (sex organ theology), then some of the stupidity and apostasy many Male leaders have allowed to creep up in the garden, can start to be destroyed with the help of wise and learned women.
Though I respectfully disagree with some of your finer points I greatly admire your zeal for The Word. Never lose that appetite for the wisdom and knowledge of The Most High. Be blessed, brother! 👍🏾 (Matt. 5:6)
Can you please back up your point of view by scripture if different? Thanks!
Here is some great advice on how to increase male engagement at your church: edifythebody.org/curriculums/
What did you disagree with?
This is the best breakdown I’ve heard about this topic and it brought so much clarity. Thank you.
I have skipped past this video for months because I, quite frankly, was scared of what I might hear. lol
I attend an assembly and serve where the senior pastor is a woman (so are 90% of the elders). I've been there for 9 years and serve different auxiliaries, but have been on the fence lately about this topic. I, taking my information from God's word, also have come to the conclusion the role of the senior pastor, as God intended, is reserved for a man. Thank you for clarity. I agree with you. Our assembly is on the brink of merging with the assembly the pastor's husband pastors, and he will be assuming the role as senior pastor.
Wow .... These topics can change lives
Isaiah 3:12
1 Peter 3:4
Ecclesiastes 7:28
Isaiah 9: 16-17
1 Corinthians 14: 32-45
1 Timothy 2:12
Titus 2:3
Revelations 2:20
34 Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.
1 Corinthians 14: 34-35
This scripture is speaking on orderly worship.
We are all going from glory to glory sis. Be encouraged!
I have to agree with Random Person's comments. Women should support a man in the Leardership role and should not be positioned in a role of a Pastor. I am not talking levels here were you have Jnr pastors Youth Pastors Assistant Pastors and Senior Pastors. To me a Pastor is a Pastor. You are either called by God or appointed by men. The set up of your congregation my sister is in question. You have too much of women there is your Assembly occupying the role set apart for men. No hard feelings though, there is an increasing need to repent and search for God across all denominations these last days. We have messed up the act of true worship by violating scripture and trying to justify our fall through human wisdom.
I soooooooo appreciate your kindness and sensitivity to such a controversial matter!!! 👍🏼🙏🏼📖✝️
I dont think so . Seems pretty clear in the bible to me . But I do believe women ministries are so wonderful . Very much needed ! To teach young women how to be a women , helping each other raise children , be good wife's etc. And just a women's bible study and stuff .
But no women don't need to lead
Great video !
That is awesome! Thank you so much for taking the time to watch and for sharing your perspective Ondrea Torrence!
THE BEAT by Allen Parr keep doing these videos ! I always love watching and learning ! God bless you and your wife :)
I believe you are spot on. I think women can work for the Lord but the roles of leadership belong to God called men.
Linda Saffles yes ! And there's nothing wrong with that . It does. Jot make us less than men . We have different yet very important roles . I wish people could understand that so they could be better at serving the Lord and his people properly . Instead of trying to everything men can do .
The world as well needs stop claiming it doesn't need men and realize that we need each other ! Without both roles , you can have one really messed up child
Ondrea Torrence Interview 11 : Woman's ministry in the Church - English version / Prophet Kacou Philippe.
ua-cam.com/video/9jRkzZ5-uWA/v-deo.html
I am a little confused with people saying 'they want to be a Pastor' respectfully I thought it was a calling🤷🏾♀️❤
From what I know (and in no way am I trying to say that I know a lot), some people look at their pastor/s, feel convicted, and think "I want to be a pastor!" Sometimes that's not God's plan for them (as in my case), and sometimes it is (like in the case of one of my uncles).
(Btw sorry for any grammatical errors.)
It's a calling but you can choose to too,but make sure you do it to satisfy God if not he will judge you same way he Judge the ones he called.
I thought so too.
for me God is looking for people who will serve Him, if someone will volunteer himself to serve Him, di you think God will says no? as Jesus said pray to the father to send more workers to harvest the fields? #justforme
sometimes a caling is someting you would love to do, sometimes...
THE MOST grounded view on this topic I've ever heard, and I've been a believer for almost 40 years. Absolutely well put. Not that I've ever desired to be a senior pastor, but you would have persuaded me to "pass." :-)
Thank you for explaining this all so clearly, and for biblically backing it up. I always want to be certain not to offend God, so going to scripture for answers is a must.
I also don't believe women should be senior pastors, or even pastors in a church, because the head of a woman is a man. The head of man is Christ and the head of Christ is God. So this is the order God has set things up, and we all must follow it.
Thanks as well for clarifying that women are not banned from teaching God word at all, just in the way of pestering over a church and being lead, as that is for man only.
Excellent teaching.
What are your thoughts on a female being a minister being under a male pastor? Preaching the word, visiting the sick and shut in. She's not leading because she is under a male pastor technically. What are your views?
loved how u explained that different roles dont make someone less-valued
Actually, the position of senior pastor is not even scriptural. The bible states clearly that there are to be more than one elder leading the flock.
ELDERS SHOULD SHEPHERD GOD’S FLOCK.
(Acts 20:28; 1 Pet. 5:2.) The word “shepherd” is the same as “pastor.” The work of pastoring is shared by the elders. It is impossible for one man to adequately pastor a church this large. The ministry of pastoring involves doing what a shepherd does for his sheep: He knows them (John 10:14); he leads them (John 10:3-4); he feeds them and guides them into the rich pastures of God’s Word (John 10:9; 1 Thess. 5:12; Titus 1:9; Heb. 13:7); he guards them from wolves (John 10:12; Acts 20:29-30); he seeks the lost and straying sheep and helps heal their wounds by getting them restored to the Lord (John 10:16; Ezek. 34:4-5); he corrects the erring or rebellious (2 Tim. 4:2); he equips the flock for maturity so that they can serve the Lord as He has gifted them (Eph. 4:11-16).
I noticed in the video he kept using the term senior pastor. So I don't think he is exclusively referring to one person but a team. But either way it's clear from the scriptures he presented the roles of men and women on this topic.
Paul says in his epistles that women are to remain humble and silent. It's to maintain order. If women want to lead than they are subject to ALL THE REQUIREMENTS men have had to do to attain their positions mentally and physically, without complaint, assistance from a man or special womens rights.
Yes!
Super accurate comment. True and soud. However, it misses the main concept of the video ya know... So why throw it out there? Elder or senior pastor, Scripture simply makes this a male role. Just try and stick to the discussion and don't get tangential.
@@pastorsouther "It is an honor for a man to cease from strife: but every fool will be meddling." Proverbs 20:3
Meddle
MED'DLE, verb intransitive
1. To have to do; to take part; to interpose and act in the concerns of others, or in affairs in which one's interposition is not necessary; often with the sense of intrusion or officiousness.
I have thus far been an upright judge, not meddling with the design nor disposition.
What hast thou to do to meddle with the affairs of my family?
Why should'st thou meddle to thy hurt? 2 Kings 14:10.
2. To have to do; to touch; to handle. meddle not with edge-tools, is an admonition to children. When the object is specified, meddle is properly followed by with or in; usually by the former.
The civil lawyers--have meddled in a matter that belongs not to them.
MED'DLE, verb transitive To mix, to mingle.
He meddled his talk with many a tear.
Webster's 1828, Meddle:
webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/meddle
😂😂 I can Finish my PhD in theology If I see all your videos 🤣 . God bless you brother .
If you are actually working on a PhD I suggest you read this academic journal:
www.cbeinternational.org/resource/article/priscilla-papers-academic-journal/bible-teaches-equal-standing-man-and-woman
It explicitly explains how the bible actually does promote woman leaders. Most of our errors in understanding come from not understanding the original Greek or Hebrew
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In Rom 16:1-16, Paul greets by name ten people he identifies as colleagues in Christian ministry. Seven of the ten are women: Phoebe, “deacon of the church of Cenchrea” (16:1) and “leader16 of many, including myself” (16:2); Junia, “outstanding among the apostles” (16:717); Prisca, “my fellow worker in Christ Jesus” (16:3; cf. Phil 4:3); and Mary, Tryphaena, Tryphosa, and Persis “worked hard in the Lord” (16:6, 12). First Corinthians 16:16 urges believers “to be subject to every fellow laborer.” First Thessalonians 5:12 identifies “those who labor among you” as “those who are over you in the Lord.” It cannot be stressed enough that Paul is not simply listing these women as believers, but as ministry leaders. Paul greets many believers in this passage, but describes as ministry leaders only ten people, and seven of those are women. The three men are Aquila, Andronicus, and Urbanus. The first two are listed with their wives, highlighting their shared authority. Paul’s naming such a high proportion of women leaders in an open society is unparalleled in the entire history of ancient Greek literature and suggests a level of female leadership in the early church exceptional for its culture.
Right ! Great content for sure, digging the slayer icon btw :)
Thank you for addressing this topic!! I am a woman, and I am a Church of Christ Christian yesterday a friend of mine and myself we had this discussion she became upset with me I shared with her that I do not find, nor have I read anywhere in the Bible where a woman pastured the church. God has set a standard of order and an example with Adam and Eve the man Adam came/was first with or before Eve arrived that is the order and standard that we are under. not to say that a woman cannot teach she is to teach biblically to save the soul and bring to salvation that soul. like Priscilla and Aquilla but not to Shepard Gods people. if we even look at the examples of Shepards in the bible they are men that Shepard a flock or herd of people the congregation. that's the example that we have it not a position where the example or roles changes if it where God would have had it written in the Bible to tell us or show us. he has vision and fore sight. and his vision did not and has not changed we like to make things comfortable for us. even though a woman may have the gift of spreading the word she is not the Pastor of the flock of God. if she is and or was God would have told us so or had given us examples. men where sent out to lead and grow the church in the new testament
The Judge was the primary pastor/shepherd of God's people during this
time period. Full essay read time: 12 minutes free postable here
(In case the reader in unaware, the word pastor and the word
shepherd are the same word. I prefer shepherd, because it has
obvious meaning to the average person.)
Major modern English translations like the NASB use
the phrasing ...whom I commanded to shepherd My people...
In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’
-excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation
Some believe that pastor (or shepherd), is a position that
was created in the New Covenant. This is not true. In the Old Testament
shepherds are mentioned multiple times. Often in a negative way.
“My people have become lost sheep;
Their shepherds have led them astray.
-excerpt Jeremiah 50
For an entire chapter on worthless shepherds, the reader may
check out Ezekiel 34.
When the shepherd over Israel died, the people went back into sin. That is because the Judge was the most important spiritual leader of this time period.
But it came about, when the judge died, that they would turn back and act more corruptly than their fathers, in following other gods to serve them and bow down to them; they did not abandon their practices or their obstinate ways.
-excerpt Judges 2
Deborah, full essay read time: 12 minutes, free, postable
I find that most of the confusion on women pastor comes with people not understanding the difference between pastoring, ministers, prophetesses
they don't understand that no pastor has authority over the flock to begin with, so a woman operating in the office of a pastor according to scripture is acceptable.
@@TheTruth-sc9yw Heresy. People who make your type of comment are either a female pastor, a man whose wife is a pastor or someone who already listens to a female pastor. Which one is yours?
@@PS-bn8qp how about a minister that has been operating under the POWER, CALLING, AND ANOINTING of the Holy Spirit for over 25 years. Guess you were wrong about that, I am a male and my wife is not a pastor, so I guess that makes you look foolish with your comments.
@@TheTruth-sc9yw as a Christian woman, women cannot Pastor a church. They need to learn in silence. Find a good Biblically sound church and then attend to learn in silence. But not teach. Only men can be Pastors.
@@TheTruth-sc9yw Whatever they have been doing does not make it right. If they like, let them be doing it for 1 billion year. if the Bible says no, then it simply means no. We want to create our own doctrine. We can't get to heaven on our own terms. If the Bible says it is wrong, then it is wrong. No matter how you argue it out. These are the people Jesus Christ will say " I know you not, you workers of iniquity". "They will say Lord I healed in your name, spoke in tongues and so on". Just because a person heals in the name of Jesus does not mean they are doing the right thing and it doesn't mean they will make heaven. The HOLY spirit can use anyone for God's glory even a killer.
Thanks for bringing up these topics. You bring them up in a thoughtful way.
I am woman and have been studying the bible years. I believe the scripture when it comes to being a pastor, which is men being pastors period.
This brother has been blessed with such a gift with relaying information out in an informative and respectful way while still being able to be convicting aswell, I believe women shouldn't be senior pastors either but women play such a pivotal role in the body of Christ, but I love seeing men and women of God standing up for there faith despite culture and using the scripture to prove there point and not just there feelings or experience
My first response to this "controversy" is that the Bible is VERY CLEAR about our role in loving others, so if is person's response is vitriolic about this issue, they should really look at themselves and fix that issue before anything else. Second, if a person does think this is wrong, don't attend or support that church/YTchannel/WS and PRAY that the HOLY SPIRIT will convict hearts if necessary. And move on to those Biblical commands that are CLEAR. Going to those in need of salvation through Jesus Christ kinda comes to mind....:)
I always go by what Scriptures says. I don't take no one words for anything. And let the Holy Spirit guide me. Praise the Lord (Wellkept Ministries)
Here is some great advice on how to increase male engagement at your church: edifythebody.org/curriculums/
Isaiah 3:12
1 Peter 3:4
Ecclesiastes 7:28
Isaiah 9: 16-17
1 Corinthians 14: 32-45
1 Timothy 2:12
Titus 2:3
Revelations 2:20
I believe the bible shows that men should lead God's people in the church
Who leads when there is no man?
And women help and support them! God created us for different roles, but we are equal in his eyes!
Are you guys forgetting god didnt write the bible man did?
BebeCakezz Life No, we aren’t. The people wrote the Bible with inspiration by the Holy Spirit.
is the somewhere in scripture that states a woman cannot lead?
Amen! I remember being offended by being told "your feelings don't matter," but I have been convicted from the Word and seeing how this created a slippery slope.
God bless man,thank you for you're teaching,greetings from Philippines
Thank you for elevating a sound, biblical explanation above a growing cultural ideology.
"I FEEL" is not an appeal to logic. Precisely "feelings" are appeals to emotion, or pathos. Not logic.
"I feel" is confirmed by the Holy Spirit if it is the truth. Too many look at the man, and judge him wrong, yet he's right. Does anyone ask God anymore, or do they think their study will yield the truth? You should, for God knows.
I thought I was the only one LOL
Where does God specifically say a woman should not be a pastor. If you're sure of what you're saying why give conditions. Paul may have applied circumspection to make his recommendations.
I am really grateful as ordained in office I still need to know more am in worship, and as worshiper I think it is very important to study everything concerning leading a worship team what i must do because i was looking over internet for someone to explain this but thank God that i can come across a teacher am willing to learn more not to old to take more in especially the word of God and teachings. so was very well explained thank you🙏
You broke this down beautifully
I am a Christian and have been in leadership prior to coming to our current church and I agree with what you are saying. We are in a church now that we love and recently changed hands to a female Pastor who has been in the church for a while. She is a wise woman, well educated, very humble and loving and we love her and her family. She has also been through the ringer and treated poorly by men in the church but handled it biblically though it hurt her. But my husband and I have said just about everything you have said and even the same scripture was brought up in Galatians to justify a female pastor and the OT women as well. We said the same thing as you did, but to no avail. It's hard because we do love this woman and she definitely has a gift of bringing the word to people but we have to stay with the Word. My point I gave is that if the church teaches the biblical order of God, and we are to follow that order AND follow the church as our example, then how can a woman be the head of the church yet she cannot be the head of her home. That is confusing. She cant say "I feel called to be the head of my home" and go for it. You cant do the same in church. The enemy's goal is to do opposite of God and that means reversing the order especially in the church. We see it in our society and it's in the church.
But do you still go to that church with the female pastor?
Regardless if she should be preaching her or not it’s ridiculous that Christian men are treating her poorly. I’m not surprised though because men often treat women terrible when they are in authoritative positions
Thank you for your comment, Sister Michelle. I appreciate how you made the correlation between leading the home and leading the church. Thanks, again. Sending love from California 🌴☀️
@@jwill1027 Ah yes, the Pharisee is out to judge
@@JDrocks4ever not sure what you’re implying?? I just want to know if she stepped away from the church after pointing out what she did.
One must be called of the Lord to be a Shepherd and as we know our Lord He will cause the one to be under His will, whether male or female. To be in His will of His will the fruits of the shepherds work will tell all. God looks for the willing, surrendered individuals that will do His will.
That's true now my question to you should women have their own church and lead over men?
God called me to be a pastor as well as a prophet. No man told me this, only God. I do not have a church but I have been an assistant pastor. I do minister in the ministry that I'm currently a part of and will continue to do so until God says stop. I doubt that He would ever tell me to stop.
Thank you for finding a gentle way to explain what these verses mean.
The bible is very clear on this topic. If you are saved, you should have the spirit of faith according to whats written. What is written is so. We can't get caught up in what we think, what sounds good, who we think God should use or how well she speaks. The bible is the final authority. There is absolutely no where in the bible where in the bible where a women was a pastor, bishop, elder apostle or evangelist. Some women can preach much better than a man but we shouldn't go against God because she draws the crowd and the money. If we are not willing to stick to whats written, what's the sense in carrying a book that you dont believe in? God says NO! That is the order of the church. Again, if it is written, its so. AMEN...
Craig Warring:
How can someone be saved without the second coming of Christ?? Stop spewing evil white plantation Christianity!
Amen! Brother
We Preach The Word of God For The That Are Lost
According to THE BIBLE (not us) what's the only nation/race of people on earth that's lost?
@@jacobite9131 You are either jew or gentile. You sound like your in that racist group Hebrew Israelites and no man makes to heaven hating someone because of their born race. The lost are the ones who the devil doesn't allow to get in the Word for knowledge and then God sends me to bring the light to the lost...
2 Corinthians 4:3-4 King James Version (KJV)
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world (satan) hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
We Preach The Word of God For Them That Are Lost:
The question remains: according to the Bible (not you or me) what's the only nation/race of people on earth that's lost?
By the way, your or YOUR or "YOUR" cannot be in anything, irrespective to how you look at it!
I'm going to warm you up with the very first book in the New Testament: Matthew ch, 15v24, Romans ch, 9v7 and in the Old Testament: Genesis 17v19 1st Peter ch, 2v9!
The number 2 comes before 4, did you read 2nd Corinthians verse 1 to ascertain that the saints were being addressed or targeted and who are the saints according to the Bible and who is the OUR in verse 3 and whose minds were blinded in verse 4?? Look here plantation Tobacco/cotton fields Christian: Psalms ch, 148v14!
Thanks for your presentation, Allen. I love your systematic breakdown of the topic and how easy your thoughts were to follow. I wish that all the sermons we heard were as easy as this to follow. And you gave so much detail in just over ten minutes, much more than we often hear in a dozen sermons. But I have some thoughts contrary to some of what you said. I hope no-one thinks I am bashing by disagreeing.
One of the reasons why the NT does not show women in pastoral roles, and it is also the main reason why Jesus did not call women as Apostles, was that in that day women just did not have those roles. There are other people he did not call to be Apostles, like Gentiles. For the credibility of His mission as it started he chose a particular culture and was going to transform the lives of many beginning with that culture. The ministry would have been dead in the water if he started out with practices that the common person in the day saw as offensive as having Gentile or Women leaders.
Paul seems to utilize the same strategy in the NT in some places, like in Ephesians 5 - 6. When he appeals to the household order (Men, Women, Children, Slaves) he is not using a hierarchy created by God but by Aristotle who lived centuries before him. In such an understanding of the order men held absolute power in the household and prescribed duties for the others to follow. What is interesting here is that in each couplet the Apostle mentions (Husband - Wife, Parents - Children, Masters - Slaves) he puts the greater emphasis on the man as to what is prescribed by God for him. He does this very smartly, because if he merely addressed the man without speaking to the responsibilities of the others in the household, the teaching would be summarily rejected. But Paul's strategy was planting a bug in the age-old system of oppressive relationships that gave the man the power to do as he liked. By ordering a new class of relationship, and if the man (and others) complied, then the world would be a better place. It is a fantastic missionary strategy he used with Philemon, to accept again his runaway slave, Onesimus, instead of having him put to death as the law of the land required. By accepting him as a brother Philemon fulfilled the law of the love of Christ and did not go against the law of the land. Onesimus went on to become Bishop of Byzantium.
I totally agree with you that Paul was dealing with a local matter in 1 Corinthians 14. But what was that matter? The Corinthians, particularly the Jewish Christians there, were insisting on Rabbinical Law that kept women silent in religious gatherings. In 14:34-35 Paul quotes from the letter he received from the household of Chloe, as he does elsewhere in the book, and then rejects it. "What, did the word of God come to you? We have no other practice in any of the other congregations?" Nowhere else were they silencing women because this would have been going against the nature of the Gospel as outlined in Galatians 3:28.
Then there is the 1 Timothy 2 passage. Paul there is speaking to a local situation in Ephesus of a "Christian Cult" appealing to women to take charge over their situations, even if it means reversing traditional roles of the family. False teachers had wormed there way into the homes of weak-willed women (not all women) and gained control of them (2 Timothy 3:6). Many of the elements of that cult were destructive to the family and particularly to the Christian witness in the community. In such circumstances Paul appeals to the account of Adam and Eve to show what happens when the woman tries to act independently of the man. He appeals to the same story two other times in the NT and in each case he makes a different point. In Romans 5 Adam is the culprit who plunges all humanity into sin, perhaps because he was not deceived. In 2 Corinthians 11:3 he refers to the story but places all the blame on the serpent, though he does say that Eve was deceived. If the passage is teaching that women should not teach men because women are easily deceived then why should they teach other women or children? The admonition here that women should learn in silence is an admonition to anyone (man, woman and child) who wants to teach while possessing a spirit of superiority and irreverence for the things of God. Such is not compatible with the attitude God desires for His servants who will be leading others
One last point - appealing to the way I feel is not "logics" but an appeal to emotions. You asked your viewers not to do that, but in various parts of the presentation you did just that.
Well said
Great stuff bro. Biblically based is always great.
Well taught Pastor, beautiful exegesis of truth from the Word. This message needs to be heard publicly on every channel worldwide. Men that are Pastor's need to lift their voices like a trumpet and stand for the truth, and stop being the tail...God, man then woman
I’m a woman. I like how you really try to reference the Bible in every aspect. I love learning about the Bible, low key high key want to go to seminary school. Definitely do not want to be a senior pastor haha. And for some reason the churches that do have a woman as a senior pastor are just odd. I respect God’s order, I’m here for it. Glad you can clarify that woman can prophesy and speak. That right there, I’m totally open to doing.
My wife is an astonishing pastor
@@19Ivano75 You may not like the order that God has setup but that doesn't change anything. Your wife is going against the Word of God if she is standing before men to minister.
Thank you for that. That was good and well put together.
1:56 I don't think 'logic' is the correct term, I think the correct term would be 'bias'. Logic technically means a valid interpretation of truth without inconsistency or fallacy. Love your videos by the way, please keep posting lessons like this.
I think you have a balanced, and biblical, and reasonable understanding of the topic.
my aunt and uncle are both pastors in their church and they're amazing individually and together when its time to preach!
@George Tito "but women will be saved through childbearing" (NLT) so with the same logic that women can't preach then women also wont be saved if they never have kids. I myself never want to have children of my own so even if i am a christ follower who devotes my life to God wont be saved cause i dont want to give birth to a child? Yeah sure.
Thank you for speaking on this! Even as a young girl, I have been able to recognize the need for a man or boy in leadership. Last school year, I was accepted to be a leader in my school's Bible Study. Since only girls requested to be in the leadership, there were only girls. I feel like I should have asked to be the primary leader because the one who was the primary was very emotion-driven. She contradicted the Bible in the Bible Study sessions several times. The other girl and I probably only talked once about it. I regret never telling our sponsor or confronting her but it really opened my eyes to the need for a guy in leadership and I respect it a lot more now.
Yet, my mom stated how God could use a woman if He wanted to and I don't doubt it. Like in the scenario of how no guys wanted to be in the Bible Study leadership, the girls had to step up.
My dear Victoria, don't be afraid nor shy to jump into leadership because you are a woman. That idea that only men should be leading is dying. Whereas the traditional family setting idolize the presence of men in the house as the leader, some (not all) men nowadays are just coward and irresponsible (that's a verifiable fact). We are living in a fatherless society and regardless the roots of the issue, we can't expect men to take the reign as they used to before. Just the fact that your parents are harder on you compared to your brother because you are a woman will make you a more responsible citizen. The fact that there are more women at church compared to men, I don't want a man to teach me about period or menopause, things that he will never experience. The Bible should be read with context and applied with a revelation of the Holy Spirit.
@@qwaxerty I share this in love hun- the same Holy Spirit wrote the scriptures so we must not encourage being divisive as it's God we'll have to account to in the end. If its areas where there are only women and she is led by God to share having knowledge of God's word then that's one thing....it just needs to be in respect of God's order which came before the law and is encouraged in the NT.. lack of this is the reason the home is divided- we women must encourage the men regardless of how much they may cower from their roles... pray for them, encourage them, build them up, love them while speaking the truth appropriately because in emotions we can powerfully tear them down and this truth is found at different times throughout scripture...Much love and God bless you
@@21anokha While making the man is the head of the family and the church is God's original plan, that plan is falling apart big-ly and I refuse to believe that God will let his people perish if Christian men don't man up. We are living in a society where even Christian men are irresponsible, abusive and entitled. I'd rather sin by attending a church led by a pious woman than a church led by a man who lust after his female congregants. Same thing in the household: all women don't want to be the boss, it's because some Christian men don't even read and know the Bible to teach their family anything. Being a supportive woman should not be carrying a man's load. Unfortunately, Christian men want to be free-riders, take advantage of women and use the Bible as advocate.
@@Agent-cj5uk Thank you! The Bible verse is being poorly interpreted. Sorry, a man full of himself should not be in leadership position. This is ungodly and unbiblical.
@@Agent-cj5uk there is also his video where he states that Christians shouldn't fight racism. Nonsense! No wonder some people see Christians as bigots.
Remember when Jesus said deny yourself , that means the things you thought to be true, right, wrong , your feelings. I don’t think we are willing to be taught
One of the only UA-camrs I know of that consistently approaches everything Christlike and honorable to the body of Christ. UA-cam is not an easy thing to do and you do it well! Thank you
I admire you. You stand for your faith even if it's unpopular. I love it and it helps me to clear up things I thought were right and you confirmed. God speaks through His Word, I pray and He brings to memory Bible verses or thoughts that I didn't know I knew and then He never fails to confirm. No, He does NOT speak to me audibly but through the Spirit. It takes growth to understand SpiritSpeak but once you do, it is so amazing. God bless you.
Thank you so much Brenda. It is not easy to stand up for what we believe but at the end of the day, we cannot argue with the clear teaching of the word of God. Jesus said that we would be unpopular and outnumbered, but we must stand firm.
brother can you show me where women was preaching?
As a Christian woman I agree with you 100%! (Our opinions are not necessary to the Bible tho) I loved the part on importance of roles. A dollar bill and 4 quarters look different, and yet their value is the same!
But his opinion is that woman is not a senior pastor, but can be junior pastor. Him and Frank Turek. So do you agree with that or that it is for men only?
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@@SlovakLutheranMonarchist it’s for men only ain’t nobsuch thing as a junior pastor
Shalom beloved one, I think you did a fantastic job supporting how you view this subject, but I would like to appeal to some things that may need to be adhered to. One of the more important things here is culture. You told us not to appeal to culture, but culture is one of the principles of exegesis. Also, God operates within the confinement of a particular people group. Also you keep mentioning "senior pastor" as we know this phrase is not biblical but cultural. We know that congregations were shepherded by not just one person but by many people i.e. elders. I believe this argument comes down to conviction! If a congratulation believes (from how they view the scripture) that women can join their leadership in guiding the community by the Spirit then beautiful. On the other hand, if another congregation believes differently then so be it. Neither of the two are sining. The most important thing here is what Paul mentioned in Roman's 8:14 "be lead by the Spirit". I love you beloved one keep up the work. Shalom
Yes, There are pastors, elders and deacons mentioned in the Bible but never a "Senior Pastor". No " Senior Elders" or "Junior Elders" or "Junior Pastors" . Why make a distinction. Pastors period. I agree. I went to Seminary and was often asked if I was going to be a pastor, as if there were no other reason to go to Seminary! I agree no women pastors.
This is spot on with what the bible says! Well done, brother Allen, for sticking to biblical truth! For me personally, I would never want to be in the role of pastor. There is SO much responsibility as well as emotional and spiritual strength needed for that job. People, pray for your pastor!!
Thank you brother Allen! I agree that women are allowed to serve in the church being in submission to God and the church leadership. However I wish to add this. When I worked in Singapore , I attended a church which had a female senior pastor, she was an American who lived in Singapore for decades and helped establish this megachurch. She was just excellent, so powerful in her messages, and a wonderful godly leader. She was an excellent example for all women, especially us younger females in the way she dressed with such modesty, in her passion for God and His people and her humility, she had a warm,caring personality. She trained the younger Singaporean pastors, and many years ago she left the church and a male senior pastor was appointed. When I lived in Beijing, I worked for a huge international church which had an American senior elder, a male - who was so difficult to work with, he gave the impression that he disapproved of non American women, I did not feel shepherded by this man, he treated me with disapproval and anger, everyone used to complain about him even his sermons lacked depth. So I think it may in some cases depend on the character and personality of female leaders in the church, their heart , passion for God and commitment to honor God and His Word- women like Paula White have absolutely no business in church leadership. But as a woman, I submit to Gods Word and choose to honor His Word. Personally, I have never had any desire to be a pastor of a church, I love building relationships with people and encouraging them, praying with them, one on one.
I was just saying this the other day. Someone asked me to visit their church, but their pastor is a women. I told my husband, I’m not going because their pastor is a women. Of course, I was polite to the one that extended the invitation, just not going to attend. I love your teachings because they are honest and truthful! God Bless You, Allen!
Vida Mitchell why does her gender take away from what she is saying? God wants you to worship him. Why would the gender matter?
@@kennythekoala8026 I understand where she is coming from with this, if a church can not live by the Bible then why go to that church, you can't clean my house if your house is dirty
Vida Mitchell I'm so proud that as an older woman, u take gods word seriously. Woman have specific roles and so do men from Gods word
@@kennythekoala8026 you have itching ears
The word of God is clear about that women are not to be pastors here 1 Timothy 2:12 and here 1 Corinthians 14:32-35 and in many other scripture. Women will prophesy that does not mean we will preach it means: Definition: proph·e·sy
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say that (a specified thing) will happen in the future.
"Jacques was prophesying a bumper harvest"
in 2 Timothy 4. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
WOW!! In all reality, we tend to box GOD to our mindsets...all I know is God can use what or whomever he desires. Plus I think people need to study and research to understand what was taking place as to why Paul made the statement he made. 2nd i think above all else, seek God for understanding.
Amen brother. You just got a new follower.