Recurve arrow rest selection and setup with Jake Kaminski | Archery Tuning Series Episode 5
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- Опубліковано 30 гру 2019
- Recurve arrow rest selection Archery Tuning Series Episode 5. Have you ever wondered the pros and cons of each type of arrow rest? Or weren't sure which one is best suited for your style of shooting? I'll help you pick out the correct rest for you.
Arrow rests featured in this video:
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Aae Free Flyte Elite: collabs.shop/ipowfd
Hoyt super: collabs.shop/ipowfd
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This is a multi-part series that goes completely over how to setup and tune your Olympic Recurve taking it out of the box and competing on the worlds biggest stage, the Olympic Games.
Link to Tuning Series playlist:
• Tuning Series
Link to Form Series playlist:
• Form Series
All of the info that will be in these clips are covered in depth and more plus active Q and A during seminars that we are hosing across the world.
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I have had a few people mention they feel like they are taking advantage of the situation with this info being out there for free. I want to let you all know that I am doing this to help spread the word of my knowledge on the sport to bring more interest into the seminars that my wife and I have been hosting around the world....
The best thing you could do is to spread the word about this UA-cam Channel and to get this info out there for people to use. There isn't enough solid resources for information with experience to back it up and there is a huge void with first hand experience as a top level archer. You can help out the community at large and encourage it to grow.
Support for this channel is generated from views, subscribers and the books/seminars that we have available on my website www.jakekaminski.com
There is also Amazon Affiliate links to tools and gear listed in the description so be sure to check that stuff out if you are in need of the tools or equipment I use.
A book containing the information from the tuning series is in the works and I am excited to get that out there as another resource for you, the archery community to enjoy.
You should also have a Patreon or donation site,
as a thank you for putting this information out for the community :)
I really wish I had the money and time to be able to get more personalized help from you, but I just graduated college so UA-cam is the primary option for me :P
I’m not sure how I feel about Patreon it just feels tacky.
I plan on more books, apps and tools/gear being sold through my website and that way you can get a tangible good for your hard earned dollars.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery I can't speak to any other Patreon channels, but I'm British, ex-army, and (was once) a pretty good competitive service pistol shooter. Lately I'm enjoying (a) Bloke On The Range, (b) Forgotten Weapons and (c) InRange, while I mourn the fact that recreational firearms ownership is pretty much a thing of the past in the UK :-( .
Are they tacky channels? Well, not in my view.
Now, lookie here - I'm a disenfranchised wannabe pistol shooter, I discovered archery in 2017, and am doing my autodidact/backyard Agincourt best to get to a point where I know how to group my arrows as consistently as once I could group snap-shot 9m Parabellum rounds fired from a Browning Hi-Power. Pistol is hard. But pistols are machines. Bows and arrows are much more organic complex and inter-dependent - every time you think have mastered one facet, you discover another you need to understand if you wanna get better . . . . it is endlessly fascinating. I imagine the disciplines of archery as kinda Zen-like; akin to yoga.
But I between online meetings in the working day, I can step outta my house here in lockdown England, put a dozen arrows down my backyard range and step back in ready for the next Zoom session, and reflecting on how next to progress with the bow.
And so far, Mister Kaminski, you are far and away THE MOST INFORMATIVE coach I have found here on UA-cam. This video is a case in point - completely cleared up all my arrow rest questions - take a gold star from me 👍
I am hoping (nay, expecting!) that you will have something on here that will do the same for a dozen (so far, only a dozen) things, starting with 'never mind how does a plunger work: how in the name the Nazarene carpenter do I set one up to help my arrows land consistently where I want them to?"
Put it out there on Patreon - people will pay for it, you will have earned the payment, and the sport will be enriched.
I have found these videos an amazing resource. Everything is so well explained. Just purchased your book tuning for performance can’t wait to get stuck into it!
Please come to argentina at least once🙏🙏🙏
Jake it is good to see you back and contributing to archery
again. Thanks for these videos.
Thank you Jake, I really appreciate you taking the time to explain all the differences these arrow rest have, and how to get the most performance out of them!
Love these videos Jake. They are really helping me up my archery game. Keep up the great work!
Hi Jake. Great job. I have been following your form and tuning series from day one. Really appreciate your sharing of your knowledge and experience. Awesome.
Great video, thanks for the detailed info. Looking forward to the rest of the series.
From NZ. I've been waiting around for 30yrs for this sort of 'stuff'. Without being an active club member, was once 40ys ago. Now I've got to teach the g/children what I dont know, and the technology has advanced so far. Your series has been a god- send. Thank's so much, and keep up the excellent advice, cheers CAS, Tauranga NZ.
As a barebow archer I'm quite fond of the Zniper arrow rest. It's drop away wire means you don't need to calculate for the bounce one gets from a static wire.
Thanks from Spain Jake for your work ..sharing knowledge
Thanks. I didn't know about the pad thickness/plunger relationship, but it now makes perfect sense.
Another great video Jake. Try barebow sooner than later and you will be hooked. Then do a series on BB which would be great
Great video. This answers some questions I was wondering about.
Honestly, the Shibuya rest is one of the best archery products ever made. It was such a game changer incorporating a bunch of adjustability with light weight and minimal interference with the flight of the arrow.
I use mine since 2013, still strong. Extreme durability 🏹🎯🔥🔥🔥
I really love your channel, when I need something, I always find it here
Great explanation of different type rests i wish there were this type of media when i was starting this sport it would of saved me $$$.
Thank you very much Jake, really appreciated. (from Indonesia)
Thanks for the video Jake. This helped.
I have a wraparound rest and it works well for me, (ACE arrows) though after watching this, I may well switch to the Shibuya rest. I have shot the Hoyt supa rest and found them to be very good though I like the adjustment ability of other rests.
Big help, thanks!
Great video thanks.
Thank you SO MUCH for the hard work you're putting into the videos and sharing them with us. They are SO useful and interesting, and your t-shirt selection worthy of its own insta account.
Any chance you could do a detailed video on bracing height tuning, please. BH tuning is an on-going mystery for me, with W&W's recommended range being quite wide (one inch), and whether I am at the low or the high end of it, I've never been able to see a difference. Any advice would be welcome.
Thats coming up next actually.
Thanks. Good information
Simon Fairweather has already come over to Barebow this year at the Vegas Shoot. You already have the perfect foundation, aiming will be the easy part
I'm using the MG Outdoor Profi Spring Rest from Germany for Barebow for years now. Great adjustability and very durable. It's wire finger can also move down when shot. Simple but effective design. Helps to tighten the crawl because the arrow don't bounces that much when released.
Me too, for hunting.the only one disadvantage when hunt and walk, you can not control the Arrow on the rest.
For Barebow, I definitely agree with you that a thick wire is better for string-walking, since crawling down the string for shorter distances puts a lot more stress on the wire at shot release. The AAE Freeflyte and Freeflyte Elitesare great for Barebow (seen in the Lancaster Classics). It seems any rest with a thick wire and some sort of magnetic fold-away or drop-down option are favored by the majority. Some of the best in the US are using the Zniper drop-down rest to get the best clearance and reduce bouncing off of the wire. This reduces the amount of crawl needed at each distance. In Europe, you can spot the best in the business using the Spigarelli ZT (Zero Tolerance) rest, a wrap-around, fold-away magnetic arrow rest. I'm not sure any static rests are good for string-walking since clearance will be an issue
Hey Jake, these videos are amazing, thank you so much for sharing your wealth of knowledge. Just thought I'd mention that this Episode 5 isn't showing up in your tuning playlist.
Good call ill fix that right away. I appreciate that.
Thankyou for teaching these fundamentals. I'm new to the recurve bow but not archery. I have observed where the vanes get damaged not sure if it's the rest or improper plunger setting.
Thanks a lot
As a nubby shooting, it could be overwhelming some times deciding what is the write equipment.
Come to dark side and embrace barebow. It is the way
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I'm new to all this. How do you keep from tearing off vanes on off the shelf shooting?
Good guide
Thanks! Hope my videos are helpful to you.
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Hi Jake! Thanks a lot for this video, it is great! I have a question, if you have fully tunable rest like wraparound AAE or Spigarelli, how to setup proper intension on wire folding?
Jake, thank you so much for all that you do. The Shibuya arrow rests clearly looks like an exceptional arrow rest. My question would be about utilizing arrows larger diameter than 2312. Isn’t the up/down and in/out adjustment great enough to allow somewhat larger carbon arrows?
If not, would the ideal modification being bending the wire and/or slightly enlarging the upper portion of the plunger hole so it could be dropped lower? Thank you for your information.
On the adjustable rests such as the Spigarelli ZT, what effect does the strength of the magnet have? Why would you adjust it, and what is the optimal setting? Does it affect arrow flight? Is it based on the arrow weight? Do lighter arrows require a weaker setting and heavy ones require stronger? What is the sweet spot? I’ve seen many videos showing how to change it but none seem to explain why. Thanks for the great videos!
Thank you Jake for this informative video. I have a question about the Zniper arrow rest which you described is better for barebow. Would this arrow rest also work for Olympic recurve? Reason is because I have invested in the Hoyt Xceed riser which I believe can be tailored to both barebow and olympic and I would like to adapt to both styles.
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Excellent Video Jake , do you also have one Plunger setup?
Nice vedio sir....
hi buddy. than you for explaining so much! can you please confirm that the fletching is in correct position at 18:24
Hi Jake,
Thanks for this great info video. Bang for Buck; what would you recommend for a intermediate youth archer? I'm thinking the cheap Hoyt plastic rest seems fairly well placed
Any other CSI viewers on here? I'm increasingly certain that Agent Gibbs would approve of Jake's consistent attention to Rule #9. "Never, ever, go anywhere without at least one knife".
AbsolutelyUnfortunately here in the UK knive laws are extremely strict
@@Countryboy071 I was born and bred here in the UK, and seldom have fewer than 3 street-legal knives on my person ✌😎
@@philipsturtivant9385 yes, carry one or two edc myself, I was mentioning as I have already been stopped by the police for carrying larger,locking blades. Once returning early hours of the morning after a fishing trip and another returning from an overnight camping session. First time a fillet knife in my bag with other appropriate materials, the other with a leatherman in my pocket, yes this should have been stowed in my pack. The first one a warning and the second I was arrested,taken to a cell overnight. Released the next day with no charge,
Yes my own fault as I know the laws.
I was suggesting that knife laws in the UK are borderline ridiculous!! And of corse we cannot cary ANY OBJECT WHATSOEVER for self defence?
Hi Jake another great video, one question shooting x10 arrows using the shibuya rest, someone I used a while ago to help set my recurve Olympic style bow put the rest on sloping ever so slightly pointing downwards, would you recommend taking it off and putting it back on level?
thanks Steve
Hi Jake. Just getting started with recurve and went cheap with a sage 30lb limbs. which arrow rest do you think for that type of riser and lb? I plan on working up to 45lb limbs and making it 42/43 in the end. I know I'll need different arrows and rest in the end but what should I start with?
nice
I was wondering. What about whisker biscuit? I have one that I just got that has three brushes and I think it doesn't fit my recurve. That's why I came here but great information. Thanks, Jake!
Hi Jake
Kindly I would like to know how to adjust the plunger based on different arrows?
Thanks
I modded my bolt-on by replacing the "heavy wire" with some titanium wire (welding wire)off eBay and replacing the steel Allan head bolt that interacts with the magnet with a stainless grub screw that is still partially magnetic but a lot less mass. The wire is simply bent with a pair of plyers and a blow torch and is very cheap and easy to do, maybe make 4 rests from a £5 length of titanium wire.
what is the thickness of this titanium wire?
Is it the shibuya rest that caused issues with arrow flight when leaving the bow? i seem to recall you mentioning something in a newer video about a rest that knocked your arrows side to side when leaving the riser. The shibuya looks like it would
Great video Jake 👌 I was wandering if I could use that shibua rest with shibua dx plunger on my samic sage bow.Considering to buy them both,but not sure if it’s worth it.I’m using avalon classic 600spine arrows ..
I've been thinking the same thing!!
Hi Jake, I went ahead and ordered the AAE Free Flyte Elite to replace the poorly designed Spigarelli Super rest with X and Z micro adjustments. Can you please post the size of the allen wrench you are using at about 3:30, I assume you must have purchased this separately? I did not receive any wrenches with AAE Free Flyte Elite. I think the allen/hex head screws for locking the wire swing and magnet located on the bottom face of the rest must be of the same size? Thank you.
Hello Jake, any recommendations for a recurve bow for a beginner?
@18.26 what is the metal part you bend at the front of the bow called and used for? Is that just for holding the arrow when not shooting and you tuck it behind arrow when you shoot?
Hi, thank you so much, I’m asking, I got the Avalon magnetic, really do I need a plunger?? I hope not.
Hi Jake thanks for the video. Did you try the Beiter recurve rest? Their plunger button is very popular, but I did not see many people using this rest, and I wonder why.
Like many Beiter products their rest is an interesting innovation, but it isn't able to compete with the Shibuya arrow rest. Tends to work the same way as with plungers and clickers, where the Beiter ones have the majority of the market share among elite archers.
@@dick-gs9tb But why can't the Beiter rest compete with the Shibuya? It doesn't have the wire holder which might touch thick arrows, and it is easy to adjust if you switch from thin carbon arrows to thick X7 when moving from outdoor to indoor (like I do)
Hi, can you show us the position of the arrow on the spigarelli ZT?
Thank you
Hey nice wiha screwdriver!
here i am thinking im weird for using the super rest ... i actually like it and im not sure if ill ever upgrade... i ended up buying 5 to have with me at all times
trying out bare bow and dont notice it being weak.....
Could you explain why you cut off the hook on the Hoyt rest? My rest had a similar hook and it held the arrow nicely in place but it melted/broke off after a while and I wanted to replace it, but now I'm not so sure. Does it affect the tracjectory?
Does the plunger should always be put in the right most hole? Or it can be on the middle one?
🙏🏽
Do you shoot plastic vanes? Id like to shoot a rest for that reason mainly
Regarding the position of the rest, and this touches a little on the node points that you mentioned in the previous video, do you have any thoughts on using the front hole for the rest and plunger?
I recall seeing one of the Korean archers using it one time (it could have been Chang Hye Jin) and explanations I've heard so far are that it's a hangover from an old type of Hoyt bow that used it as an option, or alternatively, someone else I spoke to reckoned it was a better option when shooting longer arrows as it placed the plunger closer to the node point at full draw. I tried it and couldn't feel a difference, but that could be just me.
I’ll cover that for sure. I would not use the front hole ever because of the extreme change in impacts when torque is applied differently to the bow.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery Many thanks for the quick reply! I'm back to sticking an arrow in it and using it an emergency bowstand these days lol, but many thanks for the advice and of course the videos!
Can i use barebow arrow rest for recurve bow shooting?
What does it mean when it says Spine: 15-80lbs?
Why do fiberglass low cost arrows never give a spine rating?
Thank you!
Does the arrow fletching not get caught on the rest when shooting?
If I use compoundbow's arrow rest, will it brake the rule for barebow or recurve bow?
It shouldn't, but you need a plunger too.
Hi Jake. I have a question about arrow rests. How can you stop an arrow rest (or arrow) from making an annoying noise when pulling the arrow back?. When I pull the arrow back there is a "squeaky" noise coming from the arrow (or the rest). How can I prevent that from happening?. It drives me crazy... The arrows are Victory VAP and the arrow rest is the Shibuya Ultima. Thank you
Usually that's the plunger, a tiny amount of arrow lube on the plunger tip or rest will stop it.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery OK. Thank you
I have the shibuya ultima rest and am shooting spin wings and the rest keeps getting torn off the bow and I can't figure out where it is contacting the arrow
I once had the same problem. I used a kind a if wax crayon to colour arrow in bright yellow. After the shot you can see the colour on the parts if the bow where the arrow touches. It's enough to colour the last 1/3 of the shaft. If you heat the crayon with a hair dryer it's easier to apply.
@20:10 I wish I had a high speed to check lolol
What knife is that?
hi. ive tightened my shibuya rest correctly. but after shooting even one arrow, the arm would move backwards. any reason? ive checked the screws and arm by unscrewing it but nothing damaged in particular. thanks in advance.
I would bet its getting hooked on something like your finger sling or something like that.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery thanks for your reply. i dont think so. i dont see how my finger sling will get to the arrow rest. it's short.
unless it can be clearance issue.
Pls do some fine tuning videos. thx
Will do, coming up.
Wierd that the links to these products isn't in the description.
anybody beside me thinking my neighbor needs to turn it down lol jakes wife must be jamming out
Ok, I'm a compound archer... question: Why not a fixed blade rest style like on our compund bows, or a fall away? :-) What Am I Missing? rules?
We need to support the arrow left to right due to the arrow bending around our fingers when we let go. Hence the plunger.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery ok, but is It legal to use a blade rest? Have you ever tried to shoot With one to see what happens?
Best Regards, Patrik
More seriously, as an ab-so-loot-ly noob archer, 100% self-taught, at the tail-end of my 2nd (1st in lockdown) summer of backyard Agincourt, I'm kinda wishing I'd found some of these here videos back in March, and I'm still thinking 'there's some missing'.
On that latter point - me and my 68inch/28lb learner bow, well, we "discovered" plunger buttons a few weeks ago, and we still ain't found a UA-cam video (or, for that matter, much in the way of written web content) that really explains them from the ground up, So - we experimented, as you do, and in the course of that experimentation [successful, up to a point] I discovered the notion of 'centershot' and that led to an understanding of arrow rests and adjustment thereof (confirmed in this vid, I am delighted to say).
Then, yesterday, watching another of your more recent videos on that topic, I learned that (a) aligning the arrow away from line-of-sight is an old wive's tale, and that (b) center shot 'dead ahead' is best for parallel shafts (but not for barrelled) . . . . and that led on to the OMG!! discovery that, on the wooden riser of my cheapo noob lo-poundage bow, the profile of my cheapo wannabe Shiboya arrow rest is sufficiently high, given that the riser is cut so veryvery close to center, that if I adjust the plunger such that center shot is dead ahead, the shaft can never make contact with the plunger sufficient for it to do the job of damping the flexing of the moving shaft as it responds to the forward motion of the released bowstring.
So: what's my point? I guess it's that there's a number of simple mechanical fundamentals in the above, that are actually important from an early point in a novice's progress, that are pretty much un-discoverable (oooh, I have tried . . . ) in any of the many archery channels on here, and recently I'm stumbling on them in bits and in pieces as I continue to be increasingly engrossed by your channel.
I feel like you might want to think about maybe using the long dark, cold, gloomy winter nights [Cold? Gloomy? In Florida? Yeah, I know - but my li'l bro was at Zephyr Hills DZ in the '80s when the oranges froze on the trees and so did the snowbirds in their AirStream trailers, so we know these things can happen, right?] to craft a short series of videos (maybe it just needs a 'mix' of stuff you've already uploaded?) to clarify in a single, easy-to-swallow dose, for ab-so-loot beginners, the purpose, and the inter-dependence of these components of the basic, essential - seemingly endlessly fascinating - mechanics of the deceptively simple-looking thing we call "the bow".
As ever - loving your work.
What's the tattoo IAM on your hard mean?
My thin wire breaks after shooting 1000 VAP arrows. The rest appears to be set up properly. Is there a way to avoid the wire breaking?
What style archery are you shooting? Barebow or Olympic style?
Seems to me like there is a problem somewhere with arrow contact. If your bow is for sure tuned and you don’t consistently have the same vane getting torn off (from vane contact on the plunger/rest etc) then I would suggest you are accidentally hooking it on your finger sling or when you put it into your case etc. I only suggest that because I have hooked my rest on a back number on my quiver and ripped off an arrow rest before.
Olympic. The wire just broke while shooting. It did not seem to be a clearance issue. I do not have a spare wire, so I went back to a plastic rest . Thanks
Do you have to develop consistent technique such as release and bow hand placement before you can fine tune a bow.?
Might have been a defect then.
Might have been a defect then.
@ 8:25 what is it called? I can't find this anywhere.
"Shibuya Ultima" is that it? Although I still am having trouble finding where it's sold.
Where do I buy those shibuya precut double sided tape? Wherever I ask, no one is able to get them
I’ll see if I can find a link.
Thank you very much for your time!
www.lancasterarchery.com/shibuya-ultima-recurve-rest-tape.html
I have a rest that looks like the shibuya. Fir watch ever reason, the red is loosening every time I make a shoot. I tried locktype but still is loosening care to point me to a tutorial about how to.
Tiny drop of superglue and stick on rest aint moving. Just don't botch the application.
Not First
Once you go barebow you wont go back
It Seeams, that this video contains lot of information on recuve rest types, only few bad advices such bennding the wire for ajustment or cutting the plastic for the same r. At lest have extra ones than, if you damege some of items, you can shorten their life, due to cheep industrial production with not always relaible quality.
Stop biting your nails!