I think the abilities and access to recover are great changes. Also, padding up its defense stat makes a lot of sense considering octillery is a literal tank pokemon. But, I think that's where we should cut things short. Not every pokemon needs to be great, and Octillery only needs a little push to have a more defined role in casual play.
@@LowQualityCarbinkwithout the added stats of an evolution, Octillery with mega launcher would just be a slower version of Clawitzer with less special attack.
I like the idea of giving Octillery Recover. Perhaps Octazooka can be buffed to have a %100 chance to lower accuracy on hit and damage increased to 75 power. Octillery might be able to squeeze in some extra Recovers in with the opponent's accuracy lowered.
Good ideas! Maybe Octazooka was something I should have covered; in the future itll be nice for me to cover more niche moves that could really have an impact on viability for a Pokemon
either it would be quawkability 2.0 water edition or it would be a baxcalibur, or gholdengo or maybe it would be a solid lower tier mon like uh. toxapex
Totally agree, I wish it got an evolution. I generally wont take evolutions into account, however, as the videos primarily revolve around fixing an existing bad pokemon. Giving a bad pokemon an evolution wouldnt "fix" the base form it originally has!
I like these changes, though I think Protean would be more fitting than Adaptability. You could also lean into its tank-inspired design and give it Mega Launcher, or an variation of it that also includes Bullet moves (moves that are blocked by the Bulletproof ability).
1. Ive always loved Octillery even as a kid (though i had no clue how to obtain it as i hated surfing/fishing and also didnt know i would need to evolve a remoraid) but its just a really cool little dude. 2. I think its signature move definitely needs reworked. Octazooka is such a cool concept for a very flawed result. I think giving it a 100 base power would make sense and not make it too unbalanced. Keep the chance of lowering accuracy to 50 and it could be a sort of water type mirror to stone edge. Reduced accuracy high power move with (different but) powerful secondary effects. Combine that with Adaptability and itd make for a worthy signature move. 3. Skill link is good and makes sense, but as another commenter pointed out, i think mega launcher would be more useful. Its based off of a tank, so i think it should maybe have more powerful shots rather than more accurate shots. Another ability it could make use of is Gooey or Weak Armor, sorta emphasising its octopus side more with gooey and a cool thematic blend with weak armor (maybe not good for competetive, given its very lackluster base speed, but i care not for comp) 4. I love these kinds of videos where people take bad pokemon and give them an overhaul. It just gives me a deeper appreciation for the mon, even if gamefreak doesn't buff them in the future.
Man there are so many viable/thematic options for octillerys ability its kinda hard to choose you have analytic skill link mega launcher bulletproof protean and probably others too
I think if they just rework Octozooka to be a better Hydropump and lowered it’s speed Leaving him at base 11 and throw those points in Hp And if Gamefreak cares enough Change Sniper to give him regenator This small changes leave him a very comfortable spot It can be a randomly powerful Pokémon to abuse Moody in VGC and a decent lower tier pivot option While I apreciarte your changes They fail to give him a Niche Recover means nothing if you don’t have the bulk and resistances to back it up And if your proposal is giving him a different typing and a big stat buff At that point just give him an evolution After all those trades are just Araquanid but with less bulk and a more awkward speed tier Water Buble is a water type adaptability with Water veil all combined And while you might appreciate Octilery’s strongest coverage It doesn’t mean anything when you realize Araquanid can 2 hit Ko a bulky Tapu Fini if it gets the defence drop of Liquidation A better team probably will have Grass and Fire coverage and almost all water types have ice So unless the team REALLY needs the electric and water coverage I don’t see a reason to use Octillery However I’m glad you took a good view at this goofy dude It was such a cool Pokémon and I built a VGC Moody team as he is one of the strongest users of the ability
Thanks for your thoughts and feedback! I appreciate your perspective on things. I'm going to always steer away from giving these bad pokemon an evolution... at that point youre not really "fixing" the bad pokemon, youre just making it an underwhelming NFE pokemon. I like to look at things in a vacuum when it comes to designing these mons, with them and only them in mind :)
@@IStillPlayWhite2 and I appreciate that But I just don’t see them realistically doing this A simple buff that can be done is something I see them doing Like giving Torterra shell smash Or increasing Beartick attack in 20 points giving it access to Close Combat A simple rework of Octozooka and the redistribution of some speed to HP is enough After all they took 4 generations to buff Masquerain A Pokémon with a horrible typing and abismal base stats To get a 40 BP buff
I know it might be a long shot, but I would also give this Mom the Fire-typing. It already has a very wide and diverse movepool to support this typing. 💦🔥 Plus Volcanion needs company ☺️
i made a platinum romhack and my light rebalance of octillery gave it a +10 to each attack and +5 to hp, but the main change was to its signature move, octazooka (i dont care if other mons can get it, if a mon was made with a move as its signature, it is still a signature move). instead of being an accuracy dropping move, it has a high crit chance, 80 BP, and 100 base accuracy, meaning it can use it wtih its sniper ability to have a lot of crit potential. also helps that i buffed most moves to their gen 5+ incarnations where possible.
Adaptability and skill link are great choices for abilities. Overall the changes have a good direction, they fit the design and it feels like the kind of buff gamefreak would actual add to the game. I don't think it'll be competitively viable because the game is just that power crept.
I think buffing its base stats 480 to 540 ıs a bit to much,I think just giving it recover and buffing it defences by 10 and the abilities can work for him,and maybe something like a new signature ability that buffs the chance of accuracy lowering moves by 20%.I know ıt only learns ıts signature move octazooka in this state but a chance to lower targets accuracy with a %70 percent ıs pretty wild and balanced.So I think buffing ıt by 60 base stat total is so much.
Thanks for your feedback Arson! I wanted to make it strong and viable to compete with other bulky water types, such as Milotic or Slowbro, so the changes I made to its stats would hopefully reflect on that!
I'd keep Sniper on Octillery, but change Octozooka's effect so that it always crits with 60 BP, similarly to Frost Breath or Storm Throw. This would give Octazooka an effective base power of 135 before STAB.
i would reduce his speed by 10 points to make better use of Trick Room, and put it in his HP to make him more bulky, or his S.Atk or Atk to make him a wallbreaker. Maga Launcher would fit him too
I like the format of the video and general vibe/edits, I just think it is a bit too easy to buff almost everywhere instead of rearranging stats, nerf some and maybe buffing Octozooka
All you need to do is give it back its beta design, where it’s got the little helmet and its tentacles are curled into tank treads. It was a much more coherent design than “normal red octopus”
Honestly yeah. The beta designs would’ve saved us from so many years of “the fish evolves into an octopus, because duh” memes. …because it’s a revolver evolving into a tank.
I still think that his signature move, Octazooka, should be buffed, ok, It lowers Accuracy of the target, but this doesn't justifies or 65 base power or only 85% Accuracy, 70/90, respectively should be ok for a move that can lower the Accuracy on 50% of the time.
I agree!! My newest video im releasing today actually addresses what level a pokemon evolves at to reflect its new buffs :) ill be taking this into consideration from now on!
Also, the thumbnail saying that it would have 145 special attack is a lie, because I see it as a better special attacker, good job on your first video despite your errors.
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"octopi can change"
*Gives Adaptability
**Protean sadge 😢**
im glad someone else cares about octillery
Octilery is pretty cool
It should be protean, not adaptability considering octopus can change their colour + octillary has a very diverse move pool.
Also a bulky protean/libero mon havent been seen yet.
All of them have been fast attackers so this would make octillery really unique.
holy shit the quality on a channel this small is nuts dude! looking forward to next vid
I think the abilities and access to recover are great changes. Also, padding up its defense stat makes a lot of sense considering octillery is a literal tank pokemon. But, I think that's where we should cut things short.
Not every pokemon needs to be great, and Octillery only needs a little push to have a more defined role in casual play.
I agree! The defenses it now has should increase its viability alongside the recover addition as well.
Adaptability is one of those comp slapon things too, i could take or leave that.
I was sure you were gonna go with Analytic as the ability after your explanation of its archetype.
Analytic is a good ability that could be included as well! Good idea.
Give it an evolution, Mega Launcher ability, increased HP. Done
it would be fine if you just did that without the evolution part
@@LowQualityCarbinkwithout the added stats of an evolution, Octillery with mega launcher would just be a slower version of Clawitzer with less special attack.
I like the idea of giving Octillery Recover. Perhaps Octazooka can be buffed to have a %100 chance to lower accuracy on hit and damage increased to 75 power. Octillery might be able to squeeze in some extra Recovers in with the opponent's accuracy lowered.
Good ideas! Maybe Octazooka was something I should have covered; in the future itll be nice for me to cover more niche moves that could really have an impact on viability for a Pokemon
Great first vid! Can’t wait to see what is next.
what if octillery was a gen 9 mon and had the powercreep on its side?
either it would be quawkability 2.0 water edition
or it would be a baxcalibur, or gholdengo or maybe it would be a solid lower tier mon like uh. toxapex
Missed opportunity to buff Octazooka
but this is like an ENTIRELY new pokemon now.
Great first showing! Went to go watch more of your videos not knowing this was the only one lol
Just give it a Water/Fire Whale evolution in shape of a nuclear submarine to fit its weapon theme.
And to fit with the infamous theme of it drastically changing animals in each stage of its life.
@@cradiculous Thats an interesting take and one I could consider as well!
I wouldn't even bat an eye if you gave it 150 hp, many water types have a bloated hp stat and it could fit octillery as a tank
I think another trash pokemon needs a rebalancing is magcargo,a full evolution with a base stat total of 430? Pathetic
Great idea actually, think that may be something I'll cook up in the distant future :)
Definitely feels like an evolution, frankly we need better octopus rep in pokemon
Totally agree, I wish it got an evolution. I generally wont take evolutions into account, however, as the videos primarily revolve around fixing an existing bad pokemon. Giving a bad pokemon an evolution wouldnt "fix" the base form it originally has!
my favourite Pokemon right here, he needs better stats
Hes way too cool not to have better stats !
I like these changes, though I think Protean would be more fitting than Adaptability. You could also lean into its tank-inspired design and give it Mega Launcher, or an variation of it that also includes Bullet moves (moves that are blocked by the Bulletproof ability).
good ideas! Wish i wouldve done Protean from the start :(
1. Ive always loved Octillery even as a kid (though i had no clue how to obtain it as i hated surfing/fishing and also didnt know i would need to evolve a remoraid) but its just a really cool little dude.
2. I think its signature move definitely needs reworked. Octazooka is such a cool concept for a very flawed result. I think giving it a 100 base power would make sense and not make it too unbalanced. Keep the chance of lowering accuracy to 50 and it could be a sort of water type mirror to stone edge. Reduced accuracy high power move with (different but) powerful secondary effects. Combine that with Adaptability and itd make for a worthy signature move.
3. Skill link is good and makes sense, but as another commenter pointed out, i think mega launcher would be more useful. Its based off of a tank, so i think it should maybe have more powerful shots rather than more accurate shots. Another ability it could make use of is Gooey or Weak Armor, sorta emphasising its octopus side more with gooey and a cool thematic blend with weak armor (maybe not good for competetive, given its very lackluster base speed, but i care not for comp)
4. I love these kinds of videos where people take bad pokemon and give them an overhaul. It just gives me a deeper appreciation for the mon, even if gamefreak doesn't buff them in the future.
Nice first video!! I would love to see more in this series :3
Maybe add some of your favorite game ost as some background music, that helps keep things snappy and I just like hearing other people's tastes
No way this is your only and first video. This is insane quality for a new channel
Thanks a ton =)
Great content hope to see more!
Man there are so many viable/thematic options for octillerys ability its kinda hard to choose you have analytic skill link mega launcher bulletproof protean and probably others too
So many options to consider! The comments provided alot of insight as well.
I think if they just rework Octozooka to be a better Hydropump and lowered it’s speed
Leaving him at base 11 and throw those points in Hp
And if Gamefreak cares enough
Change Sniper to give him regenator
This small changes leave him a very comfortable spot
It can be a randomly powerful Pokémon to abuse Moody in VGC and a decent lower tier pivot option
While I apreciarte your changes
They fail to give him a Niche
Recover means nothing if you don’t have the bulk and resistances to back it up
And if your proposal is giving him a different typing and a big stat buff
At that point just give him an evolution
After all those trades are just Araquanid but with less bulk and a more awkward speed tier
Water Buble is a water type adaptability with Water veil all combined
And while you might appreciate Octilery’s strongest coverage
It doesn’t mean anything when you realize Araquanid can 2 hit Ko a bulky Tapu Fini if it gets the defence drop of Liquidation
A better team probably will have Grass and Fire coverage and almost all water types have ice
So unless the team REALLY needs the electric and water coverage
I don’t see a reason to use Octillery
However I’m glad you took a good view at this goofy dude
It was such a cool Pokémon and I built a VGC Moody team as he is one of the strongest users of the ability
Thanks for your thoughts and feedback! I appreciate your perspective on things. I'm going to always steer away from giving these bad pokemon an evolution... at that point youre not really "fixing" the bad pokemon, youre just making it an underwhelming NFE pokemon. I like to look at things in a vacuum when it comes to designing these mons, with them and only them in mind :)
@@IStillPlayWhite2 and I appreciate that
But I just don’t see them realistically doing this
A simple buff that can be done is something I see them doing
Like giving Torterra shell smash
Or increasing Beartick attack in 20 points giving it access to Close Combat
A simple rework of Octozooka and the redistribution of some speed to HP is enough
After all they took 4 generations to buff Masquerain
A Pokémon with a horrible typing and abismal base stats
To get a 40 BP buff
I know it might be a long shot, but I would also give this Mom the Fire-typing. It already has a very wide and diverse movepool to support this typing. 💦🔥
Plus Volcanion needs company ☺️
Doing my part and leaving a comment for the algorithm
much love dawg
Just make him a shark instead
i made a platinum romhack and my light rebalance of octillery gave it a +10 to each attack and +5 to hp, but the main change was to its signature move, octazooka (i dont care if other mons can get it, if a mon was made with a move as its signature, it is still a signature move). instead of being an accuracy dropping move, it has a high crit chance, 80 BP, and 100 base accuracy, meaning it can use it wtih its sniper ability to have a lot of crit potential. also helps that i buffed most moves to their gen 5+ incarnations where possible.
Very cool changes! Thanks for giving your thoughts :)
Editing is crazy
Great video keep it up buddy
much appreciated! so much more to come in the near future :)
Adaptability and skill link are great choices for abilities. Overall the changes have a good direction, they fit the design and it feels like the kind of buff gamefreak would actual add to the game. I don't think it'll be competitively viable because the game is just that power crept.
I agree, especially in Gen 9. Maybe he'll see use in tiers like RU if these changes were implemented!
I agree with that stat buffs, but since is so much increase, that would be pratically a evolution.
I think buffing its base stats 480 to 540 ıs a bit to much,I think just giving it recover and buffing it defences by 10 and the abilities can work for him,and maybe something like a new signature ability that buffs the chance of accuracy lowering moves by 20%.I know ıt only learns ıts signature move octazooka in this state but a chance to lower targets accuracy with a %70 percent ıs pretty wild and balanced.So I think buffing ıt by 60 base stat total is so much.
how fast
Thanks for your feedback Arson! I wanted to make it strong and viable to compete with other bulky water types, such as Milotic or Slowbro, so the changes I made to its stats would hopefully reflect on that!
Bulky offense
I'd keep Sniper on Octillery, but change Octozooka's effect so that it always crits with 60 BP, similarly to Frost Breath or Storm Throw. This would give Octazooka an effective base power of 135 before STAB.
Perfection 🤩
Finally Octillery love
i would reduce his speed by 10 points to make better use of Trick Room, and put it in his HP to make him more bulky, or his S.Atk or Atk to make him a wallbreaker. Maga Launcher would fit him too
I like the format of the video and general vibe/edits, I just think it is a bit too easy to buff almost everywhere instead of rearranging stats, nerf some and maybe buffing Octozooka
Octopi is the plural...
Here before this vid blows up
Moody should be replaced by Mega Launcher, easy
All you need to do is give it back its beta design, where it’s got the little helmet and its tentacles are curled into tank treads. It was a much more coherent design than “normal red octopus”
I agree his base design was a little cooler, its a sick format
Honestly yeah.
The beta designs would’ve saved us from so many years of “the fish evolves into an octopus, because duh” memes.
…because it’s a revolver evolving into a tank.
I still think that his signature move, Octazooka, should be buffed, ok, It lowers Accuracy of the target, but this doesn't justifies or 65 base power or only 85% Accuracy, 70/90, respectively should be ok for a move that can lower the Accuracy on 50% of the time.
@@mateusgabriel6108 i agree! i should be looking into signature moves a little more. that’s a really good buff you gave it
why not buff one of its signature moves octazooka? big oversight, a strong octazooka user is much more unique niche than skill link user
Hey, Octazooka isnt a signature move, so I decided to keep it out of the changes. Thanks!
@@IStillPlayWhite2 its not a unique move to octillery but its essential a signature move since the only other line that can use it is seadra's
I think buffing it's attack stats is a bit too much. Remoraid evolves at level 25, and it would have base stat of 530 with these buffs.
I agree!! My newest video im releasing today actually addresses what level a pokemon evolves at to reflect its new buffs :) ill be taking this into consideration from now on!
Couldn’t octillery also get regenerator or analytic instead?
give it mega launcher/sniper
i actually considered mega launcher for a little bit!
2:25 hi editing error, can you count?
Count your days
@zasshu5834whoa there buddy, please calm down, I was just joking, and if you mean that seriously, then you need some help.
Go ahead and give us your address buddy
Also, the thumbnail saying that it would have 145 special attack is a lie, because I see it as a better special attacker, good job on your first video despite your errors.