This document is painful to read as someone who is currently being abused by another family member (I am getting help to moving out) I just hope that Froot is feeling much better after putting out all of that.
I was predisposed to dislike Froot because of everything I'd heard about her. Now that I've reviewed why people gossip about her... she seems fine? Like... her crime is that she flirted online with someone she was separated and previously declared his full intent to sleep with other women? Even if we ignore the abuse and threats of worse, that doesn't seem like cheating, that seems like moving on from an ended relationship. Am I missing something?
You're not missing much tbh. Many do not condone her cheating and will agree its wrong. Its on a view where many of these people probably just straight out hate Vtubers and want to desperately see their downfall. Some fully ignore it just because "this man is fighting for our country and you're cheating on him?" So him saying he'll sleep with other women because she told him no to the intimate act she was uncomfortable and scared to do is ok?, him threating to game end himself to force her to stay in the marriage is ok?, him being 1000% manipulating, mentally abusive, harming her self esteem, and treating her like property as if he thinks hes entitled to her body is ok??? its beyond screwed up.
@@yeetteey7445 That's always seemed overblown, but I at least understand what people are angry about in that case. This shit just seems like an army of internet weirdos is angry that a kidnapping victim escaped.
I have… many emotions about this entire situation. Not just how people don’t read the document or just repeat the cheating rrat; but the thing that gets my blood boiling is people attacking those supporting Froot. Particularly the comments about Camila’s mother and being glad about her leukemia. Hate Froot, whatever. But don’t dare start a harassment campaign like what you claim she was part of.
Not many know this, but Froot actually came to support Silvervale on her return stream on the 21st of february. She even said that she was glad to see silver feeling better.
As someone that dislikes froot as from her actions as shown to be a bad person, the edit doc only shows what we are leaded to believe is her husband to be abusive, but if anything also shows froot isn't to blame either. We are only getting one side of the sorry an given froots history I'd assume she didn't include everything or excluded her own wrong doings. The cheating this was never my main duslike of froot since these no way to actually prove it. My disliking is from the Nux drama(dudes a prick but tried to do the right thing), throwing silvervale under the bus adding fuel to the already blazing fire that was the hate mob that harrassed silver an Henya(cant remember PL name) and farming social media points to donate to a trans charity but never ended up doing that. All these makes me just have a poor opinion if her, plus its strange she seemed to drop the doc when i guess she got a new revealing model.
@@chaudspieler Doesn’t matter if Camila’s sweet or not, she and her mother didn’t deserve to get the shit people have flung at them period. Like… who takes pleasure in knowing someone has leukemia? What kinda monster does that? If you hate Froot, whatever block & move on. But to hate that much, whoever did that I hope they’re aware their parents failed them.
@@blacktemplarbrotherlucius1935So basically you don't know anything about the situation but just believe the first thing you see? First off the harassment campaign was just poor phrasing on her part and she didn't have any malicious intent. Second of all the donation thing was cancelled due to said charity being outted as a scam.
A tip from someone who wasn't in a relationship but has common sence, if someone says no it means NO. Don't try to pressure someone into something they clearly don't want. If you REALY are uneasy with their answer then you can throw your relationship into the trash. Do not come with "bUt I lOvE HeR/hIm!!" if you would, you would respect their bounderys.
Yeah, it's just that easy. (When you're a mentally healthy person.) Reality is that people get warped perspective and sense of self worth and do things that outside viewers see as clearly bad ideas. Common sense doesn't really apply to everyone the same way when you don't know how their brains change their world. Try to avoid giving relationship advice when you have no experience in it. Abusive relationships can hold someone prisoner for their entire lives. It's not always "just leave lol".
I am really not a fan of Froot (I just don’t watch her and don’t fell any interest in her content). When the info about cheating came out for the first time I didn’t pay that much attention to it, not because I don’t care about the dude but because I really think that this story is not for strangers in internet to judge. And also the biggest problem in the story that it connected to that specific online forum, which I can’t really trust. So, for me it looked like dude was a little man that decided to reach attention of angry not so good people from forum. The only part of a story that I could count as a bad one is not giving out the orders or returning the money. After Froot dropped her side of the story I also wasn’t really into it, again, because that level of personal drama is not for internet strangers to judge. I got the point that the dude was also a a bad person in this situation and froot’s “cheating” wasn’t really that awful as dude tried to convince people about. Like, if you tell that it’s over between you and her maybe you should break up and end the marriage. In this whole situation the only people that I have hate towards to are the trollers and little crying right-sided “alphas”. Like why are you saying all this awful disgusting things to people who are friends with Froot and trying to cheer her up? If I was a close friend of Froot I would totally be on her side and write that I am with her - any normal friend would do this if his friend feels bad. And one more thing - people that wrote stuff to Camilla about her mother should really apologise, it’s really not cool to say those things about someone’s parents
What’s so aggravating is that these people were the same who (rightfully) were calling out the Hogwarts Legacy harassment campaign. Oh but it’s ok when they do it, I guess. People like Triggerpoint and MommaOcco disgust me for this.
@@lord_boneman Of course! Cause it was only ever about being an anti for vtubers they already didn't like. It was NEVER about the cause. These people are fucking deranged, pure and simple.
Friends also are to criticize theirs friends when they do something that is questionable. All the coddling and protecting isn't as necessary. But also there's a way to go about it other than trying force feed someone, then they'll just end up tuning you out completely. I do understand what you mean but I think shes too protected from her friends and they may not even agrees rhe issues at hand for a number of reasons. It would of been a better to reamin silent on the matter. Then again wanting someone to be okay doesn't really contribute or mean they believe it's alright for cheating to occur. To some degrees not saying anything is just as bad if not worse than saying too much. We only wish we had the wisdom to know the difference
that kind of people are not friends, if you're doing something awfull and your friend cheering you up, they just want you to get more messed up instead of actually make yourself better, find better friends dude
Everything bad I’ve heard is just speculations from randos. I’ve seen other people that tried to look for some solid information, but all they found was just posts from random people saying she’s a cheater
I'd always only caught a faint whiff of this around the periphery and never really went looking into it further. There are enough vTubers to enjoy, striking one off the list who I never cared about to begin with wasn't much of an ask. Although being able to look at a collab video with Froot in it and not go "eugh" would still be a net positive. (Maybe TrickyWi will be next. Has she had a redemption arc since the ump-tray 'nation tempt-ay tweets?) From what I'm gleaning from these comments (I like to scan the comments on drama videos first to see whether or not I want to even bother watching/listening), it sounds like the hate is actually a self-perpetuating "person BAD" with "source" "do your own research, you'll see" except when you do your own research you either find nothing or more leads which say the same thing, all essentially terminating in nothing at worst and "trust me, bro" at best. I'm starting to see some parallels between the inexplicable hate Froot gets and the inexplicable hate Tectone gets. All he's guilty of is being loud, bald, obnoxious and a bit of a troll (mostly affectionate) and that's a character he plays up for the camera; but some people act like he ate their dog and point at "controversies" to justify their hate, which are all either blown wildly out of proportion (and usually settled), not his fault (and _still_ usually settled/he was vindicated), or entirely fabricated. Still, the snowball has started roll down the hill, so it'll always be able to pick up some more "GRR, T-WORD BAD, BALDY ATE MY DOG" people, just like how there's probably always going to be some more "GRR, FROOT BAD, EVIL WITCH CHEATED ON HER HUSBAND" people.
@@ColeBlueford People will always hate people for the most ridiculous reasons. Like Ironmouse gets tons of hate and death threats literally just existing. Like when they say she's a horrible person for faking her illness. The brain rot is real in all of these people
Every time I see arguments in favor of her being a cheater, it's always "Well, she's a liar" which, in this case, has the same ring of "It's at least culturally believed to be true".
Same. I have tried talking to so many people, making so many claims, but no one can provide any proof. I've also heard people say she has a criminal record, which again, absolutely no proof was given from anyone. And her face is public, it shouldn't be that hard to provide if it's there
Tldr: this whole situation is not for the internet to see n judge in the first place.. but here we are now. This person did that, that person did this. Whoever is going through bad things.. the internet mostly won't help other than saying "hope things get better" and everyone else that doesn't will only make assumptions. The healthy take is "take everything you hear on the internet with a grain of salt without judging" so that you don't die on a hill by trying to bring someone else down.
Ngl if you’re married in only paper bc your boyfriend threatened if you didn’t and then only didn’t divorce because he made threats if you did, and he’s an abusive piece of work Then that isn’t a relationship so it’s not cheating, there’s no proof of her cheating either so like yah
Especially if you're one of the many young women(or men, women just much more common) who get rushed into these military "marriages", who then have to fight back not just the spouse, but the local military community that is often the ONLY community you have access to. The length spouses will go to in order to keep the family benefits isn't pretty. It's rare for the local community to support the non military spouse, even if blatant abuse is happening. Maybe I'm biased because I'm an army brat so I've seen this happen to many military spouses, but Froot's version of events seems way more believable and her evidence more credible than any of the "cheating" rrats.
Also, technically they ain't properly married, there's no witnesses and we aren't sure if the person who married them is a professional priest or anything, so who knows Sounds like the ex took advantage of a young naive foreign women who finished school or college that lives abroad, have their families turned on them so give them no choice but to move to them, so in other words, he was a dirtbag from the beginning and manipulated someone from the start, so yeah
@@leonmystique9372 if the relationship is non consensual then that’s not cheating. Cheating is breaking a commitment. To commit you must consent I say this as someone who detests both abuse and cheating to a very strong degree both are absolutely despicable She also felt like she couldn’t leave or turn to anyone bc of the abuse Also again, there’s no actual proof of cheating (granted this is all her word ofc but the accusations were his word to begin with so like…)
The saddest part of this is the amount of misinformation spreading around cause Anthime, Twitter, and reaction channels that don’t do their research is insane
Problem is that how do you know that these are misinformation? Can't same be said about Froot? She has history of lies and abusing of her friends. I can show the evidence if you want. She is hardly trustworthy source.
At this point, I’m convinced the Froot case is started to be a targeted harassment campaign. I asked for proof that she cheated cause it’s been all hearsay to me at this point, and someone sent me a link to a Reddit post that involved this document, showing how the cheating allegations weren’t adding up with what was in the document. Then a comment showed how the dates didn’t line up either. Is it cheating when you message someone on discord a month after a break up?
Preach. That's one hundred percent my entire stance on this, as well. The fact that people actually have the audacity to go, "sure, she was abused, BUT-!" is actually heinous. Like, no, there is no "but" in this discussion, and people are just blindly hating her because of some petty drama, and their biggest piece of ammunition against her, the cheating scandal, was about as flimsy as wet cardboard beforehand, but now has even less defense now that we know her husband was an abusive waste of human garbage.
I've dug into this for a few days the only thing that seems proven is she sexted cinna sometime after the husband left her but they were still married and talking. The last text was her texting cinna that she's getting back with her husband after he asked if she's leading him on. He told the husband about the sexting sometime after that. The texts of her husband pressuring her for sex acts seem to have a 3 month ish gap near the end of Jan I think it was. Mind you ant hime the one who released this information was caught by false eye leaking maybe ai/deep fake nudes of froot as well.
Her story is the same as when she first responded when her husband threw the cheating aligations out there other then the mention of her texting a guy and her husband telling her he cheated on his ex wife too when he took her back.
It feels like it's people taking black and white stances; One being "Cheating is worst" and the other being "Abuse is the worst" but it's not that simple and honestly they're both just terrible. Also I feel like the abuser put in her head that it's either to Cheat or Force Consent... It's really insane. Obviously Don't have the full story exactly but as of right now. I support Froot, I don't support what she did but I do support her and glad she's out of the abusive relationship.
There is a balance in this. How likely is for the husband to be absive vs how likely it is for Froot to be a cheater. The only person who accused the husband was Froot, always she had something to gain with it and always she had control of what information was released (although in one instance she made a strong argument in favor of the husband innocence). She also has a history of lying, manipulation and changing versions. About the husband little is know besides a couple of facebook posts. About the cheating, with all the sources of information available, she cheated. With at least one person. Probably more. You will need 5 to 6 sources to piece together this information.
Are these people really seting up a list of people that support froot to harass? As far as i can tell, her actions, proven or not, does not warrant this kind of behavior.
Tell that to the people that NEARLY got away with destroying Ironmouse’s UA-cam channels, and everyone of her friends and fans, including Connor, hearing about it-Anonymous VTuber Fan
@@Spontaneousanonymous000 yeah this was also awful, i'm glad she got her channels back, as long as the copyright system remains this bad this will happrn again unfortunately.
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if the people who are doing that shit is the same that attack mouse's channels, as a way to get to Vshojo for hosting Froot.
I suspect that Kson was asked to remove her tweet because of her comment about how she had the right to slap Froot if she found out Froot had cheated. As for Froot's document... Yikes, I empathise deeply with her and she has all of my sympathy for what she went through. This is the first I have heard about the cheating allegations, but if, as some of the comments in the comment section suggests they happened while Froot and her ex was separated... well that ain't cheating. On top of that... Abusive relationship that Froot did not consider herself part of in any meaningful manner. Not cheating.
Kson is pog, cool girl. But yeah, depress nusagi made a video talking about froot for more information. no confirmations and everything is in gray zone for now
@@perfectdoll yeah agreed that was out of line. Especially for a coworker. If any other job your coworker said they had the right to slap you HR would be called.
Even IF Froot had cheated on her ex (which HAS NOT been proven). IF someone's partner is unapologetically domestically abusive, whether physically or mentally. To the point in where their partner threatens or has made an attempt on their life. I couldn't give a single fuck if they cheat.
It's the same story I've seen play out numerous times: autistic person looking for even a shred of acceptance gets taken advantage of under the context of a "relationship", said person lashes out, which makes them the easy scapegoat. That kind of ugly doesn't go away, especially not in this day and age. Unfortunately she needs to make peace with possibly spending the rest of her life as a hated villain, despised and ridiculed for just existing because at this point that's basically what it's about. I'm more willing to trust the autistic who obviously didn't learn that most folks can't be trusted over the military man looking to have his cake and eat it too. As an autistic who also learned the hard way not to trust so easily, as well as someone who has seen military men cheat as if it's second nature while gaslighting their partner, I think I know a fair bit.
While this is true, there is a harassment casmpaign against froot. Has been for years actually. So if people publish videos criticizing her then it's not a bad idea to publish her side as well.
I dont get it where is the evidence Froot cheated at all? It feels like until this is proven people are just jumping on her for a flimsy unproven reasopn. And yet even if it was true I would say it is not cheating if it means getting away from an abuser, its escaping.
There's a claim from her abuser that she cheated, he provided screenshots of - pretty obviously faked - discord conversations where she was flirting with someone else.
@@Spiral6066 she said she had inappropriate messages with someone on discord after her husband threatened suicide and cheating for sex. Thats the cheating, not even close to what he did.
Froot has never truly denied that she did cheat, she's mostly just danced around the topic instead of addressing it properly, hence why people are so confident in believing it
This drama is literally years old, only the few insane creeps keep the links and screenshots of that shit this long, but she has admitted to it and there was proof, more legit shit than just some discord screen shots. You will have to look it up yourself though
@@Khosichilla She absolutely denied it in her original facebook response. Quoting said post (leaving the ex name out): "**ex** is making out that I had slept with another man. -I did not-"
One's a cheater (allegedly) and the other is a sociopath. As someone who has been cheated by someone, I don't condone the action of Froot. But as someone who knows a sociopath, I can understand her situation. But two sins doesn't make a good. It's better to let her heal. But hey, reading the comments, I'm glad Ironmouse got her channels back
Not a fan of Froot but I read the whole document myself and I'm inclined to believe her. All the situations she described fit perfectly with the patterns of abuse by a raging narcissist. It's not really something you can make up unless you know what narcissistic abuse is like. Glad she got out of it.
This didn't need to be public. She has already moved on from that situation so why bring it up out of the blue at this point. That's the most puzzling thing about all of this. These kind of documents only work as a response to something not as the opening of the discussion. Why now? Did i miss something This remind me of blizzard writing which character is gay to hide some upcoming scandal. Who wakes up and goes on main to write: Hey guys i was abused! I can't even criticise people that say this is just farming pity points cause this is what it feels like.
The fact that she was 19 as well and he mentions being previously divorced makes me believe he is A LOT older than her as well. Snatched her up when she was freshly legal then married her a year later.
@@KevinShmelvinbecause she’s still getting shit about it and her relationship with this man when from this it’s clear she saw herself as a prisoner and not a partner or wife. She was trapped in that relationship
@ThatHawksSimp this all feels like a sob story tbh. It may or may not take away the fact that she might of been sa'd however this isn't something you simply release to the public for pity points. These are literally the last things you wish to tell a audience
@@ThatHawksSimp No one that i know came up with a document or made a video about this situation and forced her to respond. That would have been ok since that would be in defense of herself. I myself would know a thing about her previous scandals if not for the document. I was confused? Why did she write this. i looked if someone had made a video recently but the most recent video that talks about her cheating was months ago maybe a year. Also from what i read she didn't address any of the points about cheating or the whole merch problem but just went :Guys! I was abused.
I hate that she was basically forced to put all this out there. This is all personal life stuff it really shouldn't be any of our business, just enjoy her content and stop digging into people's lives it's incredibly creepy.
This is what we call freedom of information. Some people believe that past actions should affect peoples lives now and as such the truth is important. Expecially when she is willingly influencer, she is not private person but famous one. They have lowered privacy standards.
@@Ostvalt She's a human being like all of us, her being well known doesn't give you the thumbs up to go and dig up every little detail about her. Everybody is entitled to their privacy even people who have some popularity. Prying into people's personal lives is again incredibly creepy famous or not. Let people enjoy their privacy and don't be part of the problem.
@@blackmesa5465 "Everyone is entitled their privacy..." Is false statement. As western laws see that knowlingly being in the public view makes you non-private person. This is done to prevent the abuse of power. Good thing is that everyone has also right to become private person again if they stop being public figure. After posting the document, she has no right to say that people should not research the matter. She made a statement and people has right to know if it is true. This is free speech 101. You cannot talk about something and then disallow everyone else from talking about it.
Froot did not "cheat on her husband". She escaped a master-servant, abusive relationship, to someone who could protect her or who she could form a genuine connection with.
You do realise that these are not exluding each other? People can both cheat and be in abusive relationship. Froot is not an angel and she should not be made to be one, she is flawed as everyone.
@@Ostvalt Do you think that if you say you love someone you're unable to stop loving them? Do you think if you do not love someone, you can't say you do later? Do you think that if someone heavily coerces you to marriage they are still your husband, by human values? I say human values because a law is the antithesis to someone's emotions, to clarify. I do not agree she is a perfect person, if she were better she'd have gone to her family from the beginning, but the other person is worse, she is a victim. What I mean by this is that any feeling there might have been, degraded a long time ago, she herself wrote that he might have just been using her, just that. All while there was emotional and verbal abuse daily, and even when she was in a vulnerable place. That is not a situation that you call someone leaving them, cheating, it is escaping.
@@ender7910 Ok. You have right for your own definition. If you believe being in abusive relationship exludes cheating, it is allright. Just don't force your opinions on others.
@@Ostvalt I do not expect other to agree with me, this is a public forum, I can say what I please. I thank you for not taking this further. (Fyi, I do believe you can be abused and cheat on someone, but this is a specific case, not an argument on philosophy.)
Ugh, I went through an abusive ex friend/bf using the fact he supported a different person through dealing with the emotional aftermath of instances of SA to guilt trip me over being uncomfortable with the fact he was pushing my own boundaries mentally and emotionally, and being an overall terrible person. Basically I called him out for acting like a dick to his roommate and he essentially implied he’d only stop being a dick around me if he ‘had reason to’ - imply what you will from that statement. 🤢 TL;DR: Don’t date self-described narcissists, unless you’re really that desperate to be Harley Quinn BEFORE she got with Ivy.
I'm seeing three sides here: Froot's side, describing a pretty much textbook abuser (I know from personal experience, not going to discuss it; long story); the side of the haters, in whose eyes Froot can do nothing right; and the side that either tries to look at both sides and make their own decisions (like me) or just don't care. I've heard horror stories from people who are ex-spouses of military (hardly an unbiased source, I know) about cheating, abuse, etc., which I take with the proverbial grain of salt, and I heard the nasty rumors about Froot herself. Yes, she's said some things she shouldn't have. Was it because she has depression and probably PTSD? I don't know. Do I hate her for it? Nope. Do I simp for her? Not really. She's cute online, pretty IRL, and I like watching the occasional clip of her, but that's it. I'm sympathetic about her situation because of personal experiences, and choose to ignore the rumors because they're just that--rumors.
two sides to every story and there the other side to froot gave their stories a while ago. don't read froot's document and think it's all inclusive or that things weren't intentionally left out. everyone loves to paint themselves the righteous one.
I don't want to jump to conclusions, but the messages are in English, so I assume that they are not as accustomed to witnessing this type of violence towards women constantly and in large quantities as here in Latin America or Africa.
Its crazy i havent seen a single document or anything to back up the cheating claim. I get that she was shitty during the hogwarts legacy thing, which pissed me off, but woman posts proof of this dude's abuse and people are insanely taking the side of the dude??? He said he would cheat on her because she didnt want to do some stuff. He showed basically no emotion when she was assualted either. And if she did cheat, yeah that's terrible but the dude 100x worse.
The sad part about the hogwarts thing is if you look into it like the cheating you find out it was again something blown out of proportion. The often tossed around mistakes statement happened when both her and Silver were online and someone mentioned getting automoded in Silver's chat for the word trans. Obviously it was a mistake from the automod and Froot's statement was in her own chat in regards to that. It's funny how the image you find passed around happens to have the broadcaster symbol cut off almost like the knew people would misinterpret that. Everyone constantly talking about any Froot drama all seem to be people taking random things they heard as fact with no one who was actually there chiming in.
Yep the Hogwatz drama is also misleading and misconstrued as well. I was in both streams that day and Silver was getting very upset about the attacks. Froot found out and went to see if she was ok and to help is she could. Froot ended up getting attacked. Her comment "i love all my friends everyone makes mistakes its only human" was a reply to someone in the chat (long story short Froot ended up muting her mic after getting upset and crying because she was trying to defend Silver and told a story about her brother (whos in the LGBT community) and the things she said to him when they were younger) Unfortunately it's clipped out of context and not shown with the comment she was actually replying too. It is shown in videos with a comment someone made about Silver, instead of the one that was talking about her brother. Froot said later in another stream she her comment was about what she was saying on stream and NOT against Silver. She was saying she messed up in her past with her brother and that she loves her friends and wants to be there for her friends but can't because of all the threats people are doing. Thank you for your time and hope this helps add context to things.
Cheating is wrong, but i have 0 respect for abusers, I have a couple family members who were in abusive relationships, so I’m more inclined to believe Froot in regards to that
This right here. I also think cheating is deplorable, HOWEVER, I always make an exception when it comes to abusive relationships. Trying to calmly communicate with an abusive partner about breaking up will only lead to something negative. Because of this, honestly the only thing you can do is cheat in order to get out of there.
Believe Froot about what? She didn't say, that she didn't cheated. Even if her ex is abuser, that doesn't mean she is not cheated. Or you saying, that you believe that her ex is manipulative and abusive? I mean everyone can see messages and is it obvious. Nobody claiming that she photoshoped messages.
Here’s what I’ve gathered There’s zero proof she cheated, her husband wanted a different kind of sex that “everyone was doing” and she wasn’t comfortable with it so he tried to coerce her into these activities (Which means he tried to disregard her consent) He was at the very least verbally abusive if the messages are anything to go off of The post where he claimed she cheated on him was deleted, most likely because it was a lie He threatened to cheat on her because he wasn’t getting what he wanted WestJett and Asmongold both incorrectly reported that her “exercising her rights over her autonomy” meant sleeping around The notion she slept with five other men is a malicious fabrication spread by people who want Froot’s career dead Now I don’t personally like Froot, but in this situation she is a victim of abuse and there’s a lot of negligence when it comes down to reporting the facts
@@echofnoiseechofnoise3888 "you dint not read 90 page for sure". Guess you must know for sure what this person did with their time. What'd you use, a Magic Orb? Tarot Cards? Were you hiding in their walls?
This whole drama got so massively overblown cause of the huge hate campaign against her. Yeah she was messed up for the Hogwarts thing. doesn't mean she's guilty of everything. But people don't take time to read the doc, nor do they take the time to properly do their research. One even tried to defend the husband by showing his messages and responses... which took place after the times shown in the doc.... I mean seriously, it's like people trying to give the "Game end" penalty cause someone stole a box of rice...
I highly agree with the fact that both sides are not innocent. I just don't understand why people think stuff like this ONLY has 1 good person and 1 bad person. So stupid that people are defending her ex because he was cheated on, so now any abuse and manipulation he does to her is okay just because he was being cheated on? This also goes the other way, she isn't innocent just because he abused her. I do believe in Eye for an Eye but that doesn't make anyone innocent. I may not have been abused of manipulated but if I had the strength to cheat on them, then I probably had the strength to ask for help. Both parties are in the wrong, her ex is definitely worse but I hate the fact that so many vtubers are just dick riding Froot and justify her being abused and manipulated for any bad things she has done.
Tbf people look at this situation and either think she cheated on him she got what she deserved or he abused her he got what he deserved. Edit: Also people never gonna forgive her for the hogwarts legacy stuff tbh.
As someone who was in abusive releationship for over 2 years, the most out of touch thing anyone can say is what you just said. Its never as easy and straightforward as leaving or just asking for help. If it were that easy there wouldnt be DV or abusive releationships. And no, im not excusing cheating. Simply pointing out the flawed and immature thinking you posess.
@@unionjakass6589 the cheating was messages on discord which she admitted to. People blow it out of proportion and say she was banging dudes while he was deployed, a rumor started by him after they broke up. He also already forgave her for it but uses it against her now for pity points, he also admitted to cheating against his previous partner lmao. And considering what he did to her cheating is pretty understandable.
Accusation are just accusation, he said she said, the internet IS NOT your therapist or court. People will choose sides and attack each other over accusations. It's too easy for someone to edit DMs and messages to make someone look bad and/or good compared to the other person. I've seen too many people have the lives ruin base by accusations even if the truth gets out, or people side with someone and it turns out they are the villain. I will always stop following both parties after they start do this. Always take anything on the internet with a grain of salt. Also wishing or even joking about ill, threat, or D**th to someone or family member is on the list of shitty people that need their phones and internet taken away from them.
I find it interesting how some people keep bringing up her alleged cheating on an abusive, manipulative "husband" in a "marriage" that was nothing more than a forced signature on a paper, as if that was somehow worse than all the crap he did. He's not not even worth the title of boyfriend or partner.
And everything Amber Heard said was true. Froot has changed her version multiple times. One example of why I don't think Froot can be trusted is because she tried to paint the guy she slept with as a stalker to cover her 4ss. This backfired as the guy release the texts between him and her proving the cheating and the date as when she was still with her husband (the cheating allegations are actually substanciated). The only person to ever call the husband an 4bu5er was Froot but various called her cheater (at least 3). In the doc she paint the husband as homophobic but at the time she was extremely homophobic and transphobic even towards her own brother. Given that I would take everything on that document with a grain of salt specially since everything in there was cherry picked. There is a lot of things that don't even involve the cheating but are Froot's bad behavior and those are the main motive of the hostility towards Froot. But you either dig these stuff or are there when it happened (I used to be positive towards Froot and disregard the allegations until HL hit)
@@livingglowstick1337 Tell me, oh holder of knowledge, which of what I said is not correct? Will, carrier of wisdom, you do not make an argument instead of just rambling like a dementia ridden old man?
List of accusations and controversies of Froot - Scamming people in her old business with her husband - Cheating on her husband with one to three guys - Accusing one of the guys she cheatead on husband with of being a stalker - Supporting the Hogwarts Legacy harassment campaign and in doing so backstabbing Silvervale - Receiving Vshojo favoritism over Silver - Promising to donate to a trans charity that targeted kids (Mermaids) during the HL harassment - Not paying what she promise to the trans charity - Copyright striking Anthime video that tell part of this information - Her mother mass reporting Anthime discord and tweeter for cp - The publishing of the 90 page doc that serves no other purposes besides creates chaos over a 7 yead old drama - Receiving favoritism of VShojo over Kson
I'm a froot fan but it's stupid to pick a side. Both sides are shitty and while I've seen people talk about previous drama she has been in it shouldnt give people the right to harass her.
Of the two of them, Froot is the only one that stands to suffer financially from this so I'm on her side if only because the ex functionally walked into her place of business and tried to get her fired.
@@abyssreborn4213 except this is a "relationship" not a level issue. Or at least that we know of. If it isn't it's a good question to ask why it isn't a legal issue if she's making the case for abuse. They both did stupid shit. She should have never walked away from her family, she should have walked away with him when he started making demands & suicidal, she should have broken up with him before going off with other men. In that same light the jackass shouldn't have been a creep, a manipulator and... Well a jackass. So as I said. Two wrongs don't make a right. Hope she heals but you can tell from how she writes this she has a long way to go. The love for her is just as valid as the dislike for her. Hate I don't understand because it's fucking retarded to hate someone who has literally nothing to do with you or your life.
I don’t get why everyone is so worked up over a VTubers personal problem. Not only that but we total parasocial idiots out there accusing Ironmouse and Zentraya and other’s of condoning her actions. It’s not condoning someone’s actions to be their coworker. They work for the same company even if they didn’t like her they would still have to behave and get along on screen. It’s a coworkers personal problem. Has nothing to do with their work.
If the passage of "no ceremony, no dress, no vows" within the doc is true, can you even consider this a marriage and any following acts cheating? Is that even considered a formal marriage? I'm asking because I'm somewhat confused and uneducated in the matter
Everyone refers to them as husband and wife, and she also did prior to releasing the doc. So this doc, with cherry picked conversations, is the only place that puts their marriage in question. They even ran a business together (that infamously scammed its customers).
Going through the document, yeah, that's pretty messed up that her ex did those things. Like WOW, he's actually a piece of trash, and she deserves total support in that The issue now, however, is both the timing and previous stuff that's built up ON TOP of the now well-informed allegations Not that this isnt a good time to air out all the misconceptions about her, but she should follow up by addressing Hogwartz/Silvervale stuff, show proof of her donation to charity, AND keep her mom from flagging false claims/going defense on her behalf It would be a great way to start fresh in a new life chapter. After all, she's still human, so she will make mistakes and at least deserve that chance
@RXRXRXDB This document, obviously. We now have the other side of the story, not just his, and add a lot of context to ex claims with a LOT of screenshots that, unless proven otherwise, are pretty bad
thanks for pointing out that people are complicated and imperfect rather than a singular, unchanging existence, not many people in the comments have the balls to admit that from what I see.
Froot shouldn't be talking to her mom. Her mother controlled her bank and bank account at the beginning. Not sure if she still does. But her mom also doing things like false flagging and such seems like her mother is controlling. Not just controlling, but forcing Froot to do things that aren't smart. Froot isn't innocent in the scenario with her boyfriend/husband, but she is in the situation with her mother at least
I saw Nogla react to the whole Froot Controversy in his Nogla and Terroriser React Channel, Terroriser was at Twitch Con with Lanai (Ms.Vixen). So Nogla was doing the react channel by himself and in there next react channel they were talking about VTubers and Nogla was saying how people got mad at him for making fun of the whole Froot thing, but he did it for the memes because it was kind of similar to the whole Johnny Depp and Amber Heard thing 😂
Let me get this right. Dude wanted to try r-play, right? Basically CNC. But Froot wanted nothing to do with it and was wildly uncomfortable about, right? Who could blame her, given what both parties are pretending is happening. So, dude doesn't get to live out his questionable fantasies, cause Froot sets that very clear boundary, and his first idea is to... throw a fucking temper tantrum and threated suicide, cheating, and withholding love and affection from her? And there are people out there who are deadass claiming that her line about her maintaining her bodily autonomy is actually her trying to excuse the supposed cheating that happened, and NOT her putting her foot down telling this creep no??? My fucking blood is boiling, oh my GOD fuck these people!
Say she did “cheat”. What could’ve happened is that her ex was consistently if not constantly talking about cheating on her. Depending how how that built up or made her feel. It could’ve translated as it’s not too terrible for her to try to find comfort as well. If one singular person causes you to have depression bad enough for you to hallucinate, then it can be hard not to want to seek comfort (that could’ve not been cheating/platonic). But also remember, he controlled her quite well. If she was afk for too long then she’d have an abysmal time. So who knows if she even had time or the ability to do that. Just my uneducated opinion. I don’t condone cheating it sucks big time, but when you’re being abused and the controller expects no consequences for cheating then maybe it is okay in a younger mind. I don’t think she cheated though.
Something as personal as this shouldn’t be on the internet for random strangers to see. It creates what we’re seeing now, chaos. Also people that are harassing people that support Froot are insane. If for some reason that it offends you so much that someone is supporting her, just mute/block them and move on, or better, touch grass.
She had some real dedicated antis. Its crazy. Im not defending cheating. Im not defending abuse. Im minding my own business and the internet needs to do the same
Froot had a right to talk about this type of thing, but publicly posting this online is probably the worst thing to do. It's a gamble how people would react to it. This is something you talk about to family, friends, or most likely a therapist.
I subcribe for the rights of free speech. But it is little problematic when famous person starts talking about private people. It is very unequal field.
tbh she wasn't the first person to speak on the situation. It *would've* been kept private... had that been a mutual sentiment between her and her abuser. It's not really fair to condemn her for not keeping things private when she wasn't the first person to bring it up in the first place.
She wasn't the person to make this conflict public. People were harassing her for years over this (without ever delivering any kind of proof) and it just kept going. So it absolutely makes sense for her to publish this.
It's almost comical that these people will go out of their way to provide proof of anything else; but the moment you bring up that they're spreading lies about Froot all they can do is either A: Quadruple down with the lies B: Just accuse you of being a simp. Or C. Both
you forgot D. bring up hogwarts legacy which is totally unrelated or mention her "track record" which is the same thing just vague (even though I do think she was in the wrong back then)
@@jitteryjared5338 Froot is generally disliked among the VTuber community for these lies being spread (Which even I believed, ashamed as I am to admit it), the Hogwarts legacy stuff is at best vague because all she did from my recollection is say she’d donate to a trans charity, which she had every right to do
I don't understand why this even matters. She's not your girlfriend, she's a streamer. What she did in a private relationship years ago in a past life shouldn't be anyone's business. Like what if she did cheat? So what? How does that affect you? It's not like she did some heinous crime and got away with it. It's generally a dick move, but that's about it. The people that appear to be legitimately angry and hateful about this seem to me to be having some psychological issues with detaching themselves from an "online entity" that was never going to seriously engage with them to begin with. She's not going to be your waifu, faithful or otherwise, her fidelity is not your concern.
The relationship don't matter but Froot matters. You see, every now and then, Froot do sh1t and this sh1t has a splatter zone that may hit something you do not want it to hit
@@Gilsao157 Ya I have never watched her, and I am aware of the Harry Potter incident which made me less inclined to watch her. I think that's where the line should be though, don't like her for whatever reason, don't watch her. The bizarre obsession with her wrongs some people have doesn't make sense to me.
@@Insanati Like I see said there is a splatter zone. Is not so much obsessed with past mistakes but with future ones. For example in this one Kson caught a bit of flak. What is gonna be next? Henya? Mousey?
Okay. There is a video by Anthime (they will tell it is fake but I didn't found nothing on it, in doubt do your on research) where the conversations between Froot and Cinna show they were together between february to april 2018. In the Froot doc is show that she was still with her husband at least until may 2018. With this the cheating is proved If you want to go even deeper in the rabbit hole: In Depressed Nousagi video you get access to Froot and her Husband break up facebook posts Antihime video has some other questionable behavior by Froot Kuri Rinji videos besides this information has a live about a fan of Froot finding Cinna and questioning him
@@Kiyyou-253 The content of the video was never debunked by falseeyed. He focused on the immoral/illegal content on Anthime discord, the fact that distributed supposed Froot nudes that were in fact AI generated, on her vendetta on Froot and on Anthime edgy jokes (I say edgy because if you target blacks, jews, asians and white you just h4te everyone equally). He also tried to explain that Froot and Vshojo were unaware of the copyright strike, but given VShojo historic of favoritism towards Froot, the fact that corporation statements are more often then not lies and that Apricot and Vshojo names were on the strike I say they knew and then tried to avoid a Streissand effect. SO EVERYTHING ON THE VIDEO STILL STANDS. (There is a channel that points to some small inaccuracies but nothing of weight)
I don't understand what these kind of docs are supposed to achieve. Twitter is neither a lawyer nor a therapist so nothing will happen aside from the obligatory "sorry this happened to you" spam.
Kind of my thoughts on it. She doesn't owe this to anyone, why is it being aired out for all to see when she knows it'll foster a negative reactions and force others to have to defend her? Not sure if she just wants the attention... Nobody will know i guess.
People choose to speak out on these things sometimes because they're fed up with their side of the story not being told or because they're sick of misinformation? How hard is that to understand?
I'm just gonna say this. I have no clue if anything fruit said is true. I have no clue if anything that the boyfriend/husband has said has been true. It's all just hearsay, but if he was being abusive and he was threatening her and then he also threatened to game end himself. Well, let him do it one less bad person in the world.
I sometimes wonder if there's anyone left who watches Vtubers and isn't in a parasocial relationship with them. People caring about their personal lives is always crazy to me.
i dont see how she was cheating or how she isnt the victim bc she cheated, the timeline for when she was supposedly cheating doesnt make sense and even if she was cheating that doesnt make her not the victim anymore, especially since she was being abused before the cheating claims.
She cheated right before the exercising body autonomy part (which was may 2018). She cheated in february to april 2018 with a guy named Cinna. You shouldn't fully trust what is said in the doc as it was created to share a positive light on Froot.
As messy as this is (Yes cheating is still bad, but lemme tell ya, mental abuse is SO much worse, I pray that it never escalated to anything physical...), there could have been some potential as a means to clear the air about the Hogwarts Legacy issue. Y'know, since old bones are being dug up, so to speak. If worded right (with, preferably, an apology put in), she could have gotten her side of the story explained. The whole thing absolutely did not need to happen, it was just another Twitter firestorm about issues that are, frankly, beyond most people's control, if you ask me. Hell, Silvervale might have stuck around and Pikamee might not have had to graduate (wishful thinking, I know, but I believe there's a world out there where this was possible). This could have been turned into a widescale apology for the things she has done, but hey. The fates weren't written as such, I suppose. And why the heck did Kson's tweet get taken down? I felt like her thoughts reciprocated what needed to be said. The Vshojo top brass must've wanted less fuel on the fire, I suppose, so they can handle it internally without having to focus on controlling the angry Twitter mob, I suppose.
Froot did nothing to apologize for. She had a valid opinion about playing that game. She didn't harass anyone. Pikamee was planning to graduate before the drama, when her contract was up. You lost a month of streams, but she'd been planning to join vshojo for the better connections and support. Froot did nothing to hurt Pikamee, and they're literally friends now. Silvervale played a controversial game and riled up a bunch of transphobes with her crocodile tears. She was always a snake, just ask her former friends that she abandoned when Vshojo made her famous.
The first time I heard about this drama I figured Froot was indeed the cheater and nothing else was to it, so i'm glad I withheld my vocal opinions until hearing this. Guess it was a lot more complicated than it at first looked like.
I had a very close friend in an abusive relationship. Cheating on their abusive partner, gave that sense of choice and freedom to break free of the shackles that held them down. They isolate, they break them down, and its horrible to watch happen. Cheating is not something good to do in any relationship, but, sometimes it can be the moment that opens a door to something better. Any bit that gives some one in that situation a taste of self autonomy they didnt have for so long. Was the cheating wrong? Yes. Yes it was. Did it cause a chain of events to free them abuse? It did as well. As all situations, there is more than black and white, use your heads, think with an open heart and mind.
I don’t even know how I should feel about Froot, either she’s worse than Amber Heard or if she was clearly the victim all along and that we refuse to understand her sympathy because of the Hogwarts incident…
@@MonolithicCyanTsunamiIn the world that she didn't straight up disavow the hogwarts legacy harassment campaign despite it being against two of her friends/coworkers. Ignoring the 90 page document as that is purely a he said, she said piece, literally we have no proof to support either her claims or his claims. Ignoring that, she has a history of supporting vile behavior which leads me to believe her LESS in this current situation.
I honestly think it's crazy that people on Twitter are hooked on the cheating allegation and could care less about the abuse allegations. Cheating is bad, yeah. Abuse is worse. Regardless of what is true, Froot and people who support her should not be getting attacked for this... In general though, people are waaaaaay too invested in the personal lives of total strangers online. 🙄
Is not her personal life, is its weaponization. Many people waiting for Froot get her comeuppets from the Hogwarts Legacy harassment campaign and the cheating is just the tool to get it.
theres really several things on context i dont like from these documents that makes me play devils advocate: Time stamps: How can we believe its true if these are literally months apart. The other side: How can we tell its from the ex for real and not take it face value that it could be as accused "one of the 5 guys" (this is doubtful but again, context) because of yet we've yet to hear the ex's side of this, hell she even said similar like, "this isnt like him hes normally completely different". Date and timing: Why NOW, post this long document on this abuse if it nearly almost a DECADE at this point of age in the year where MANY abusers came out on popular youtubers and have been actually proven to be falsified. Third party: A year ago theres been a third part digging evidence on Froot before shes even posted her 90 page document showing leaked messages, what she did with her ex (the patch shop), the cheating allegations, her hypocrisy on her past with Silver, including her recent with the "donations" issue. im not fully trusting over her side when we've yet to hear a full story.
This situation is just such a mess, these people just want to dunk on Froot and use the cheating as there "moral highground" same shit basically as with the Hogwarts Legacy situation, which they also love to use cause she threw Silver and Pikamee "under the bus" which imo is also total overblown bullshit and im saying that as someone who played the game itself and as a fan of Silvervale, the whole "everyone makes mistake" thing was just a message in Froots Chat after people came into her stream saying Silver banned the word Trans in her stream which was just a automatic banned word in the higher twitch Automod settings but who cares about facts anymore people just want drama drama drama...
exactly, plus Pikame and Froot are friends, there was no ill will there, people are making problems where there was none. did silver deserve to be harassed. No, was it Froots fault? no. literally froots take on the situation translates to "putting forks in electrical outlets hurts." it was blantantly obvious for months before the games release how viewers were going to react.
Imagine you got harassed by a group then your "friend" made a big public announcement about how she supports that group and being complete ally of that group. "Throwing under the buss" is a understatement. That was "Hey i am one of the good guys" virtue signalling. I don't even talking about the charity organization she promote was a pdf file group.
@@emirozdemir-wallywest1426 yeah her doing that and the fact that Vshojo didn't do shit like threaten legal action against harassers to protect Silvervale who had to deal with said harassment during the Hogwarts Legacy drama is fucking stupid.
@@pepsilove6306silvervale isn’t stupid. It’s so easy to understand that as the primary IP owner JK Rowling would get money from an officially licensed game, and that she’d use that money to fund anti trans legislation in the UK, so therefore buying and streaming HWL indirectly funds anti trans legislation. Silvervale simply didn’t care and insisted she buy the game and stream it. And then when she got legitimate criticism she did the most cowardly thing possible and conflated the harassment with the criticism and refused to even try and see that she was in the wrong too. Wait no, sorry, the most cowardly thing possible was leaving Vshojo so she could create her own insular echo chamber community so she wouldn’t ever have to confront the possibility of being wrong in anything ever again.
My first thought: Kson is based as F for her response. It's a shame that she had to take it down, but I understand why. My second thought: What right do we have to even know about what goes on in another person's private life, let alone judge it? Even public figures have the right to privacy, though we don't always give it to them. I don't know what prompted her to post this document. I don't know IF she cheated or what the circumstances were surrounding that. I won't get into details here, but I have experience with how messy cheating can be. So personally, I'm going to pretend like I never knew anything about this document (which is easy because I haven't looked at it, so I only know the few parts that were shared in this video) and not let it affect my view of or how I treat Froot.
Well i say the first one, kson admitting to just read half.(I doubt that but sure) Which shows she jumps in to support her blindly for her friend. It makes vshojo look bad but hey talent freedom The second thought. What right? I say none but now she brought it up. It has now became the publics problem. There's a reason you don't share everything. I'm surprised she's not retarded to share her bank account yet😂
Abuse is abuse regardless of what one partner does to the other. If your partner cheats on you, you leave them and move on, you don’t sit there and just abuse them. Abuse is wrong period.
He abused her before she cheated, though, and that's the issue with this. People are ok with the abuse because they hate cheating. I also guarantee it's because they hate her and vshojo.
I think for Froot’s case, she wanted to leave the abusive relationship first, but physically or mentally was forced to stay I feel bad for her tbh. This scenario is so messed up . We honestly should collectively move on , and let the girl have peace
In multiple cases she was caught changing versions, lying, manipulating, censoring. Why do you take her word for it? The Amber Heard trial didn't showed that women can lie? She may as well be the english Rushia.
I heard Froot's Ex was in the military and had some form of PTSD. As someone who had a Uncle in the Marines who had PTSD which sadly led to him claiming his own life and his girlfriend's life along with a family member of hers, I know how bad it can get if people don't get the help they really need. I highly doubt this is a case of cheating as it seems Froot's Ex has sadly gone almost Insane. Also for all we know if Froot didn't leave him behind in time there is a good chance her Ex would of done something similar to what i said my Uncle did and claim her life. PTSD can get that bad
There was abuse before, during, and after the military. It's stated in the document that he essentially used her for the benefit of living comfortably in a house that she did not even live in once.
You've never met any of these people and are just filling the gaps with things familial to you. Even if the ex has ptsd, it's not froot's responsibility.
@@Duamerthrax my family has experienced what happens when a family member's PTSD gets out of control so i know what can happen. If Froot is telling the truth about her Ex then she made a really good call. Also if you never had family members that are Ex-Military with PTSD then don't go around saying you know what it can do
@@Duamerthrax If i miss understood what you were saying then sorry. To me it sounds like the Ex is going through PTSD and got really abusive towards Froot because of it
Even with all the information I’m still having a hard time believing her problem with people who cheat is they usually lie or tell half truths to make themselves look better so hard to know what to believe
@@Zacatexas her ex husband came forward first to slander her a long time ago and lied and said she slept with a bunch of men while he was deployed with no proof
@@jitteryjared5338What is the proof against him though? Not saying he is innocent, but why are we blindly accepting froot a "proof" when it's all stuff that can and usually is VERY easily fabricated. Stop blindly trusting everything you see from anyone on the internet. Neither source is trust worthy, so have no opinion on the situation.
@@luckytanuki5449 bro she has text messages in the doc. Just read the doc and do basic research before trying to argue wtf. They are easily fabricated sure, but also easily debunked. 30 million people have seen her tweet at least a few million have opened the doc then, you think no ones tried to see if the texts are photoshopped?
Personally, I find this whole thing ridiculous because whatever is going on with Froot (or just Vtubers in general for that matter) is her business to deal with and no one else's. The fact that there are people getting involved and starting all this drama and attacking her and people who support her is just absurd. And it only seems to be getting more and more toxic by the day.
List of accusations and controversies of Froot - Scamming people in her old business with her husband - Using racial slurs and being transphobic even against her brother - Cheating on her husband with one to three guys - Accusing one of the guys she cheatead on husband with of being a stalker - Supporting the Hogwarts Legacy harassment campaign and in doing so backstabbing Silvervale - Receiving Vshojo favoritism over Silver - Promising to donate to a trans charity that targeted kids (Mermaids) during the HL harassment - Not paying what she promise to the trans charity - Copyright striking Anthime video that tell part of this information - Her mother mass reporting Anthime discord and tweeter for cp - The publishing of the 90 page doc that serves no other purposes besides creates chaos over a 7 yead old drama - Receiving favoritism of VShojo over Kson
List of accusations and controversies of Froot - Scamming people in her old business with her husband - Cheating on her husband with one to three guys - Accusing one of the guys she cheatead on husband with of being a stalker - Supporting the Hogwarts Legacy harassment campaign and in doing so backstabbing Silvervale - Receiving Vshojo favoritism over Silver - Promising to donate to a trans charity that targeted kids (Mermaids) during the HL harassment - Not paying what she promise to the trans charity - Copyright striking Anthime video that tell part of this information - Her mother mass reporting Anthime discord and tweeter for cp - The publishing of the 90 page doc that serves no other purposes besides creates chaos over a 7 yead old drama - Receiving favoritism of VShojo over Kson
I’m so exhausted by this, this is why i stayed quiet and not commented on anything about this. Yeah, i liked some comments and i sure as hell regret that now and feel like a total dickhead. For Christ sake, she’s an abuse victim, can we not, can we really just not? It’s especially shit for me since i have family that have been through similar, If I had the money, I would donate to her to apologize directly. It’s just so fucked man….
I don’t really follow Froot, no hate I just don’t really know much of her work. I didn’t follow this drama from the beginning. But what I will say is, right, wrong, innocent or guilty (and I have no idea where she fits) I just felt gross listening to this document. If she is pressing charges, she should show this to a lawyer. If she needs help she should show her therapist. And I’m not validating or invalidating any of her claims. Because truthfully NONE of us know what really happened and as such it’s not really any of our business. I really think she needs to take a break, heal, figure some things out… but the internet is no place to do this.
One important thing for many was also, that Froot was involved in a lot of other horrible situations, like the Hogwarts Legacy drama or keeping donations meant for charity. I personally didn't even know of any cheating scandal related to her, but I did see some of what she said when Hogwarts Legacy came out, which changed my opinion of her drastically. (and that might also be why Henya is the only Vshojo girl that didn't reply to her, but that's just speculation)
@@Keiken0 Froots take on HWL was absolutely fine. Silvervale is an idiot for not seeing all the negative press about HWL and streaming it anyway. Pikamee/Henya didn’t deserve the harassment because she lives in Japan and it’s understandable that she wouldn’t keep up with stuff like that. But Silvervale absolutely should have understood why she’d deservedly get backlash for streaming HWL
@@SilverNinjatv Silvervale got genuine criticism and genuine harassment and instead of reflecting on the criticism and ignoring the harassment she had a little pitty party on stream where she cried so that her parasocial psychopathic fanbase would run to her defense
@@FoxerBoxerNaaniwa Why would anyone "deservedly" get harassed for playing a game you don't like or is somewhat related to someone you don't like? You worry too much about stuff dude you'll get wrinkles and older faster.
@@SilverNinjatv Froot wasn't condoning the harassment and if she really cared about that, she wouldn't be associating with Henya. Silvervale didn't deserve the harassment, but there's only so much anyone can do to stop trolls. Did you expect Vshojo to sue everyone on twitter? She made a desiccation to play it on stream. I know a few vtubers who played it on stream and just tanked the harassment.
The funniest part of this drama was watching Asmongold put his video about Froot on private for reacting against her
Wait really?
probably for the best. Even if i don't agree with Froots decision to post that i dont think he should have chimed in on a topic he knew little about.
He basically ended up Sic'd his fans toward her
@@TheMexRAGE i learned of this whole thing from his video
I didn't see it but was it another topic he spoke confidently on while having no idea what he was talking about? He really needs to stop that.
And Ironmouse UA-cam Channel is back I hear the news
Way better news 💖
@@okami-chan9772 yeah 👍🏼m Ironmouse and CDawg oh reacted each other that her Channel is back
Both channels are back indeed.
@@Power-9Hunnid yeah 👍🏼 😄everyone is so happy Ironmouse San UA-cam Channel is back.
This document is painful to read as someone who is currently being abused by another family member (I am getting help to moving out)
I just hope that Froot is feeling much better after putting out all of that.
Hope everything turns out better for you mate.
Best of luck to you. I've been stuck in abusive situation before myself, it sucked ass, so I and can only hope that you'll get out of this bind soon!
Best of luck to you and be safe. Good on you for getting help.
Hope things get better for you.
I was predisposed to dislike Froot because of everything I'd heard about her. Now that I've reviewed why people gossip about her... she seems fine? Like... her crime is that she flirted online with someone she was separated and previously declared his full intent to sleep with other women? Even if we ignore the abuse and threats of worse, that doesn't seem like cheating, that seems like moving on from an ended relationship. Am I missing something?
Nope, you're exactly right.
You're not missing much tbh. Many do not condone her cheating and will agree its wrong. Its on a view where many of these people probably just straight out hate Vtubers and want to desperately see their downfall. Some fully ignore it just because "this man is fighting for our country and you're cheating on him?" So him saying he'll sleep with other women because she told him no to the intimate act she was uncomfortable and scared to do is ok?, him threating to game end himself to force her to stay in the marriage is ok?, him being 1000% manipulating, mentally abusive, harming her self esteem, and treating her like property as if he thinks hes entitled to her body is ok??? its beyond screwed up.
People also don't like her due to the potter game stuff
@@yeetteey7445 That's always seemed overblown, but I at least understand what people are angry about in that case. This shit just seems like an army of internet weirdos is angry that a kidnapping victim escaped.
@@muchachowitz6803Welcome to the internet.
I have… many emotions about this entire situation. Not just how people don’t read the document or just repeat the cheating rrat; but the thing that gets my blood boiling is people attacking those supporting Froot. Particularly the comments about Camila’s mother and being glad about her leukemia. Hate Froot, whatever. But don’t dare start a harassment campaign like what you claim she was part of.
Not many know this, but Froot actually came to support Silvervale on her return stream on the 21st of february. She even said that she was glad to see silver feeling better.
As someone that dislikes froot as from her actions as shown to be a bad person, the edit doc only shows what we are leaded to believe is her husband to be abusive, but if anything also shows froot isn't to blame either. We are only getting one side of the sorry an given froots history I'd assume she didn't include everything or excluded her own wrong doings.
The cheating this was never my main duslike of froot since these no way to actually prove it. My disliking is from the Nux drama(dudes a prick but tried to do the right thing), throwing silvervale under the bus adding fuel to the already blazing fire that was the hate mob that harrassed silver an Henya(cant remember PL name) and farming social media points to donate to a trans charity but never ended up doing that.
All these makes me just have a poor opinion if her, plus its strange she seemed to drop the doc when i guess she got a new revealing model.
That got my blood boiling!! Camimi is a sweetie and what those losers told her about her Mom got me to EXPLODE in anger!!
@@chaudspieler Doesn’t matter if Camila’s sweet or not, she and her mother didn’t deserve to get the shit people have flung at them period. Like… who takes pleasure in knowing someone has leukemia? What kinda monster does that? If you hate Froot, whatever block & move on. But to hate that much, whoever did that I hope they’re aware their parents failed them.
@@blacktemplarbrotherlucius1935So basically you don't know anything about the situation but just believe the first thing you see? First off the harassment campaign was just poor phrasing on her part and she didn't have any malicious intent. Second of all the donation thing was cancelled due to said charity being outted as a scam.
At least Mouse's VOD and Main YT Channel is back up 👉👈
yAY! :D
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A tip from someone who wasn't in a relationship but has common sence, if someone says no it means NO. Don't try to pressure someone into something they clearly don't want. If you REALY are uneasy with their answer then you can throw your relationship into the trash. Do not come with "bUt I lOvE HeR/hIm!!" if you would, you would respect their bounderys.
again, sorry for grammatical errors
Yeah, it's just that easy. (When you're a mentally healthy person.) Reality is that people get warped perspective and sense of self worth and do things that outside viewers see as clearly bad ideas. Common sense doesn't really apply to everyone the same way when you don't know how their brains change their world. Try to avoid giving relationship advice when you have no experience in it. Abusive relationships can hold someone prisoner for their entire lives. It's not always "just leave lol".
ive tried to say no to taxes many times, yet im still stuck in this abusive relationship for the rest of my life
If you want to censor a word, please spare us earphone users and just drop the audio.
I am really not a fan of Froot (I just don’t watch her and don’t fell any interest in her content).
When the info about cheating came out for the first time I didn’t pay that much attention to it, not because I don’t care about the dude but because I really think that this story is not for strangers in internet to judge. And also the biggest problem in the story that it connected to that specific online forum, which I can’t really trust. So, for me it looked like dude was a little man that decided to reach attention of angry not so good people from forum. The only part of a story that I could count as a bad one is not giving out the orders or returning the money.
After Froot dropped her side of the story I also wasn’t really into it, again, because that level of personal drama is not for internet strangers to judge. I got the point that the dude was also a a bad person in this situation and froot’s “cheating” wasn’t really that awful as dude tried to convince people about. Like, if you tell that it’s over between you and her maybe you should break up and end the marriage.
In this whole situation the only people that I have hate towards to are the trollers and little crying right-sided “alphas”. Like why are you saying all this awful disgusting things to people who are friends with Froot and trying to cheer her up? If I was a close friend of Froot I would totally be on her side and write that I am with her - any normal friend would do this if his friend feels bad. And one more thing - people that wrote stuff to Camilla about her mother should really apologise, it’s really not cool to say those things about someone’s parents
What’s so aggravating is that these people were the same who (rightfully) were calling out the Hogwarts Legacy harassment campaign. Oh but it’s ok when they do it, I guess. People like Triggerpoint and MommaOcco disgust me for this.
@@lord_boneman Of course! Cause it was only ever about being an anti for vtubers they already didn't like. It was NEVER about the cause. These people are fucking deranged, pure and simple.
Friends also are to criticize theirs friends when they do something that is questionable. All the coddling and protecting isn't as necessary. But also there's a way to go about it other than trying force feed someone, then they'll just end up tuning you out completely. I do understand what you mean but I think shes too protected from her friends and they may not even agrees rhe issues at hand for a number of reasons. It would of been a better to reamin silent on the matter. Then again wanting someone to be okay doesn't really contribute or mean they believe it's alright for cheating to occur. To some degrees not saying anything is just as bad if not worse than saying too much. We only wish we had the wisdom to know the difference
that kind of people are not friends, if you're doing something awfull and your friend cheering you up, they just want you to get more messed up instead of actually make yourself better, find better friends dude
froot's cheating is a super old story, why she bring this up again? the only answer is she need attention
Everything bad I’ve heard is just speculations from randos. I’ve seen other people that tried to look for some solid information, but all they found was just posts from random people saying she’s a cheater
I'd always only caught a faint whiff of this around the periphery and never really went looking into it further. There are enough vTubers to enjoy, striking one off the list who I never cared about to begin with wasn't much of an ask. Although being able to look at a collab video with Froot in it and not go "eugh" would still be a net positive. (Maybe TrickyWi will be next. Has she had a redemption arc since the ump-tray 'nation tempt-ay tweets?)
From what I'm gleaning from these comments (I like to scan the comments on drama videos first to see whether or not I want to even bother watching/listening), it sounds like the hate is actually a self-perpetuating "person BAD" with "source" "do your own research, you'll see" except when you do your own research you either find nothing or more leads which say the same thing, all essentially terminating in nothing at worst and "trust me, bro" at best.
I'm starting to see some parallels between the inexplicable hate Froot gets and the inexplicable hate Tectone gets. All he's guilty of is being loud, bald, obnoxious and a bit of a troll (mostly affectionate) and that's a character he plays up for the camera; but some people act like he ate their dog and point at "controversies" to justify their hate, which are all either blown wildly out of proportion (and usually settled), not his fault (and _still_ usually settled/he was vindicated), or entirely fabricated. Still, the snowball has started roll down the hill, so it'll always be able to pick up some more "GRR, T-WORD BAD, BALDY ATE MY DOG" people, just like how there's probably always going to be some more "GRR, FROOT BAD, EVIL WITCH CHEATED ON HER HUSBAND" people.
@@ColeBlueford People will always hate people for the most ridiculous reasons. Like Ironmouse gets tons of hate and death threats literally just existing. Like when they say she's a horrible person for faking her illness. The brain rot is real in all of these people
Every time I see arguments in favor of her being a cheater, it's always "Well, she's a liar" which, in this case, has the same ring of "It's at least culturally believed to be true".
Same. I have tried talking to so many people, making so many claims, but no one can provide any proof. I've also heard people say she has a criminal record, which again, absolutely no proof was given from anyone. And her face is public, it shouldn't be that hard to provide if it's there
@@Charley-ju6yg That just sounds like making up things to prove their point like if you don’t have proof then why even make up a lie
Tldr: this whole situation is not for the internet to see n judge in the first place.. but here we are now. This person did that, that person did this. Whoever is going through bad things.. the internet mostly won't help other than saying "hope things get better" and everyone else that doesn't will only make assumptions.
The healthy take is "take everything you hear on the internet with a grain of salt without judging" so that you don't die on a hill by trying to bring someone else down.
Ngl if you’re married in only paper bc your boyfriend threatened if you didn’t and then only didn’t divorce because he made threats if you did, and he’s an abusive piece of work
Then that isn’t a relationship so it’s not cheating, there’s no proof of her cheating either so like yah
Especially if you're one of the many young women(or men, women just much more common) who get rushed into these military "marriages", who then have to fight back not just the spouse, but the local military community that is often the ONLY community you have access to. The length spouses will go to in order to keep the family benefits isn't pretty. It's rare for the local community to support the non military spouse, even if blatant abuse is happening.
Maybe I'm biased because I'm an army brat so I've seen this happen to many military spouses, but Froot's version of events seems way more believable and her evidence more credible than any of the "cheating" rrats.
Also, technically they ain't properly married, there's no witnesses and we aren't sure if the person who married them is a professional priest or anything, so who knows
Sounds like the ex took advantage of a young naive foreign women who finished school or college that lives abroad, have their families turned on them so give them no choice but to move to them, so in other words, he was a dirtbag from the beginning and manipulated someone from the start, so yeah
“Then it isn’t a relationship so it’s not cheating”
In this situation, get help. Cheating is taking it a bit too far even if it is abusive
@@leonmystique9372 if the relationship is non consensual then that’s not cheating. Cheating is breaking a commitment. To commit you must consent
I say this as someone who detests both abuse and cheating to a very strong degree both are absolutely despicable
She also felt like she couldn’t leave or turn to anyone bc of the abuse
Also again, there’s no actual proof of cheating (granted this is all her word ofc but the accusations were his word to begin with so like…)
@@leonmystique9372 What help? Therapy? A therapist is going to focus on "cheating" when being told about being turboabused?
The saddest part of this is the amount of misinformation spreading around cause Anthime, Twitter, and reaction channels that don’t do their research is insane
Problem is that how do you know that these are misinformation? Can't same be said about Froot? She has history of lies and abusing of her friends. I can show the evidence if you want. She is hardly trustworthy source.
This drama is a complete shitshow.
Obviously.
Yep
duh.
So people bully fer for "cheating" since last year, i guess she just have enough a posted this document...
Seriouslly, 50% divided. I can't even decide who is in the wrong, like a fog of war here
At this point, I’m convinced the Froot case is started to be a targeted harassment campaign. I asked for proof that she cheated cause it’s been all hearsay to me at this point, and someone sent me a link to a Reddit post that involved this document, showing how the cheating allegations weren’t adding up with what was in the document. Then a comment showed how the dates didn’t line up either. Is it cheating when you message someone on discord a month after a break up?
@@5223142 nope but they'll ignore that
Preach. That's one hundred percent my entire stance on this, as well. The fact that people actually have the audacity to go, "sure, she was abused, BUT-!" is actually heinous. Like, no, there is no "but" in this discussion, and people are just blindly hating her because of some petty drama, and their biggest piece of ammunition against her, the cheating scandal, was about as flimsy as wet cardboard beforehand, but now has even less defense now that we know her husband was an abusive waste of human garbage.
I've dug into this for a few days the only thing that seems proven is she sexted cinna sometime after the husband left her but they were still married and talking. The last text was her texting cinna that she's getting back with her husband after he asked if she's leading him on. He told the husband about the sexting sometime after that. The texts of her husband pressuring her for sex acts seem to have a 3 month ish gap near the end of Jan I think it was. Mind you ant hime the one who released this information was caught by false eye leaking maybe ai/deep fake nudes of froot as well.
Her story is the same as when she first responded when her husband threw the cheating aligations out there other then the mention of her texting a guy and her husband telling her he cheated on his ex wife too when he took her back.
I've never gotten anyone to ever link me to the proof. I'm convinced they've never seen it either.
It feels like it's people taking black and white stances; One being "Cheating is worst" and the other being "Abuse is the worst" but it's not that simple and honestly they're both just terrible.
Also I feel like the abuser put in her head that it's either to Cheat or Force Consent... It's really insane. Obviously Don't have the full story exactly but as of right now. I support Froot, I don't support what she did but I do support her and glad she's out of the abusive relationship.
There is a balance in this. How likely is for the husband to be absive vs how likely it is for Froot to be a cheater.
The only person who accused the husband was Froot, always she had something to gain with it and always she had control of what information was released (although in one instance she made a strong argument in favor of the husband innocence). She also has a history of lying, manipulation and changing versions.
About the husband little is know besides a couple of facebook posts.
About the cheating, with all the sources of information available, she cheated. With at least one person. Probably more. You will need 5 to 6 sources to piece together this information.
@@Gilsao157 you make a fair point, guess I’ll try to dig more into it thanks
Are these people really seting up a list of people that support froot to harass?
As far as i can tell, her actions, proven or not, does not warrant this kind of behavior.
Tell that to the people that NEARLY got away with destroying Ironmouse’s UA-cam channels, and everyone of her friends and fans, including Connor, hearing about it-Anonymous VTuber Fan
Many of the people against the hogwarts legacy harassment campaign are now setting up a harassment campaign. What a shocker
@@Spontaneousanonymous000 yeah this was also awful, i'm glad she got her channels back, as long as the copyright system remains this bad this will happrn again unfortunately.
@@raderelcaroman1403 look up Camila
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if the people who are doing that shit is the same that attack mouse's channels, as a way to get to Vshojo for hosting Froot.
I suspect that Kson was asked to remove her tweet because of her comment about how she had the right to slap Froot if she found out Froot had cheated.
As for Froot's document... Yikes, I empathise deeply with her and she has all of my sympathy for what she went through.
This is the first I have heard about the cheating allegations, but if, as some of the comments in the comment section suggests they happened while Froot and her ex was separated... well that ain't cheating. On top of that... Abusive relationship that Froot did not consider herself part of in any meaningful manner. Not cheating.
Kson is pog, cool girl. But yeah, depress nusagi made a video talking about froot for more information. no confirmations and everything is in gray zone for now
I feel like Kson is probably traumatized after being friends with Nazuna/Rushia who cheated and did more than that
@@G2GIGI177 And she absolutely has the right to be. She does not have the right to threaten violence.
@@perfectdoll yeah agreed that was out of line. Especially for a coworker. If any other job your coworker said they had the right to slap you HR would be called.
Even IF Froot had cheated on her ex (which HAS NOT been proven).
IF someone's partner is unapologetically domestically abusive, whether physically or mentally. To the point in where their partner threatens or has made an attempt on their life. I couldn't give a single fuck if they cheat.
sure one side story tell side make me look good
@@echofnoiseechofnoise3888 Word soup
Proof or this is a trust woman above all else?
Video, image, text?
@@Boredum sorry i am not english speaker native try speak two tongue and write is not easy buddy
@@quan2913 that problem trust woman lead false accus too jail them we learn fake that men dont get any of time back
It's the same story I've seen play out numerous times: autistic person looking for even a shred of acceptance gets taken advantage of under the context of a "relationship", said person lashes out, which makes them the easy scapegoat. That kind of ugly doesn't go away, especially not in this day and age. Unfortunately she needs to make peace with possibly spending the rest of her life as a hated villain, despised and ridiculed for just existing because at this point that's basically what it's about.
I'm more willing to trust the autistic who obviously didn't learn that most folks can't be trusted over the military man looking to have his cake and eat it too. As an autistic who also learned the hard way not to trust so easily, as well as someone who has seen military men cheat as if it's second nature while gaslighting their partner, I think I know a fair bit.
Such things should be discussed in court, not twitter
While this is true, there is a harassment casmpaign against froot. Has been for years actually. So if people publish videos criticizing her then it's not a bad idea to publish her side as well.
Pls get the Google Docs Darkmode Extension 😭
Bet
I dont get it where is the evidence Froot cheated at all? It feels like until this is proven people are just jumping on her for a flimsy unproven reasopn. And yet even if it was true I would say it is not cheating if it means getting away from an abuser, its escaping.
There's a claim from her abuser that she cheated, he provided screenshots of - pretty obviously faked - discord conversations where she was flirting with someone else.
@@Spiral6066 she said she had inappropriate messages with someone on discord after her husband threatened suicide and cheating for sex. Thats the cheating, not even close to what he did.
Froot has never truly denied that she did cheat, she's mostly just danced around the topic instead of addressing it properly, hence why people are so confident in believing it
This drama is literally years old, only the few insane creeps keep the links and screenshots of that shit this long, but she has admitted to it and there was proof, more legit shit than just some discord screen shots. You will have to look it up yourself though
@@Khosichilla She absolutely denied it in her original facebook response. Quoting said post (leaving the ex name out): "**ex** is making out that I had slept with another man. -I did not-"
Finnaly someone talks about the truth.
One's a cheater (allegedly) and the other is a sociopath. As someone who has been cheated by someone, I don't condone the action of Froot. But as someone who knows a sociopath, I can understand her situation. But two sins doesn't make a good. It's better to let her heal.
But hey, reading the comments, I'm glad Ironmouse got her channels back
She didn't cheat tho there was no relationship she was a prisoner
Which is a bigger question how it even make sense at all@@livingglowstick1337
The ex husband was absolutely getting pegged on service.
Bro that "Suisei" Sound was a Jumpscare
Not a fan of Froot but I read the whole document myself and I'm inclined to believe her. All the situations she described fit perfectly with the patterns of abuse by a raging narcissist. It's not really something you can make up unless you know what narcissistic abuse is like. Glad she got out of it.
This didn't need to be public. She has already moved on from that situation so why bring it up out of the blue at this point. That's the most puzzling thing about all of this. These kind of documents only work as a response to something not as the opening of the discussion. Why now? Did i miss something
This remind me of blizzard writing which character is gay to hide some upcoming scandal.
Who wakes up and goes on main to write: Hey guys i was abused!
I can't even criticise people that say this is just farming pity points cause this is what it feels like.
The fact that she was 19 as well and he mentions being previously divorced makes me believe he is A LOT older than her as well. Snatched her up when she was freshly legal then married her a year later.
@@KevinShmelvinbecause she’s still getting shit about it and her relationship with this man when from this it’s clear she saw herself as a prisoner and not a partner or wife. She was trapped in that relationship
@ThatHawksSimp this all feels like a sob story tbh. It may or may not take away the fact that she might of been sa'd however this isn't something you simply release to the public for pity points. These are literally the last things you wish to tell a audience
@@ThatHawksSimp No one that i know came up with a document or made a video about this situation and forced her to respond. That would have been ok since that would be in defense of herself. I myself would know a thing about her previous scandals if not for the document.
I was confused? Why did she write this. i looked if someone had made a video recently but the most recent video that talks about her cheating was months ago maybe a year.
Also from what i read she didn't address any of the points about cheating or the whole merch problem but just went :Guys! I was abused.
I hate that she was basically forced to put all this out there. This is all personal life stuff it really shouldn't be any of our business, just enjoy her content and stop digging into people's lives it's incredibly creepy.
This is what we call freedom of information. Some people believe that past actions should affect peoples lives now and as such the truth is important. Expecially when she is willingly influencer, she is not private person but famous one. They have lowered privacy standards.
@@Ostvalt She's a human being like all of us, her being well known doesn't give you the thumbs up to go and dig up every little detail about her. Everybody is entitled to their privacy even people who have some popularity. Prying into people's personal lives is again incredibly creepy famous or not. Let people enjoy their privacy and don't be part of the problem.
@@blackmesa5465 "Everyone is entitled their privacy..." Is false statement. As western laws see that knowlingly being in the public view makes you non-private person.
This is done to prevent the abuse of power. Good thing is that everyone has also right to become private person again if they stop being public figure.
After posting the document, she has no right to say that people should not research the matter. She made a statement and people has right to know if it is true. This is free speech 101. You cannot talk about something and then disallow everyone else from talking about it.
Froot did not "cheat on her husband". She escaped a master-servant, abusive relationship, to someone who could protect her or who she could form a genuine connection with.
You do realise that these are not exluding each other? People can both cheat and be in abusive relationship. Froot is not an angel and she should not be made to be one, she is flawed as everyone.
@@Ostvalt Do you think that if you say you love someone you're unable to stop loving them? Do you think if you do not love someone, you can't say you do later? Do you think that if someone heavily coerces you to marriage they are still your husband, by human values? I say human values because a law is the antithesis to someone's emotions, to clarify.
I do not agree she is a perfect person, if she were better she'd have gone to her family from the beginning, but the other person is worse, she is a victim. What I mean by this is that any feeling there might have been, degraded a long time ago, she herself wrote that he might have just been using her, just that. All while there was emotional and verbal abuse daily, and even when she was in a vulnerable place. That is not a situation that you call someone leaving them, cheating, it is escaping.
@@ender7910 Ok. You have right for your own definition. If you believe being in abusive relationship exludes cheating, it is allright. Just don't force your opinions on others.
@@Ostvalt I do not expect other to agree with me, this is a public forum, I can say what I please. I thank you for not taking this further. (Fyi, I do believe you can be abused and cheat on someone, but this is a specific case, not an argument on philosophy.)
Ugh, I went through an abusive ex friend/bf using the fact he supported a different person through dealing with the emotional aftermath of instances of SA to guilt trip me over being uncomfortable with the fact he was pushing my own boundaries mentally and emotionally, and being an overall terrible person. Basically I called him out for acting like a dick to his roommate and he essentially implied he’d only stop being a dick around me if he ‘had reason to’ - imply what you will from that statement. 🤢
TL;DR: Don’t date self-described narcissists, unless you’re really that desperate to be Harley Quinn BEFORE she got with Ivy.
I'm seeing three sides here: Froot's side, describing a pretty much textbook abuser (I know from personal experience, not going to discuss it; long story); the side of the haters, in whose eyes Froot can do nothing right; and the side that either tries to look at both sides and make their own decisions (like me) or just don't care. I've heard horror stories from people who are ex-spouses of military (hardly an unbiased source, I know) about cheating, abuse, etc., which I take with the proverbial grain of salt, and I heard the nasty rumors about Froot herself. Yes, she's said some things she shouldn't have. Was it because she has depression and probably PTSD? I don't know. Do I hate her for it? Nope. Do I simp for her? Not really. She's cute online, pretty IRL, and I like watching the occasional clip of her, but that's it. I'm sympathetic about her situation because of personal experiences, and choose to ignore the rumors because they're just that--rumors.
What is some people’s problem? I can’t believe what’s in these messages
because you are blind sweetie you want believe but too many thing dont add up
two sides to every story and there the other side to froot gave their stories a while ago.
don't read froot's document and think it's all inclusive or that things weren't intentionally left out.
everyone loves to paint themselves the righteous one.
I don't want to jump to conclusions, but the messages are in English, so I assume that they are not as accustomed to witnessing this type of violence towards women constantly and in large quantities as here in Latin America or Africa.
I mean vshojo fans have a cu tribute. Am i really that surprised by the messages? No not really
Its crazy i havent seen a single document or anything to back up the cheating claim. I get that she was shitty during the hogwarts legacy thing, which pissed me off, but woman posts proof of this dude's abuse and people are insanely taking the side of the dude??? He said he would cheat on her because she didnt want to do some stuff. He showed basically no emotion when she was assualted either.
And if she did cheat, yeah that's terrible but the dude 100x worse.
As far as I'm concerned, if you're stuck with an abuser it's not cheating. It's not really a "relationship." It's just one person using another.
The sad part about the hogwarts thing is if you look into it like the cheating you find out it was again something blown out of proportion. The often tossed around mistakes statement happened when both her and Silver were online and someone mentioned getting automoded in Silver's chat for the word trans. Obviously it was a mistake from the automod and Froot's statement was in her own chat in regards to that. It's funny how the image you find passed around happens to have the broadcaster symbol cut off almost like the knew people would misinterpret that. Everyone constantly talking about any Froot drama all seem to be people taking random things they heard as fact with no one who was actually there chiming in.
Yep the Hogwatz drama is also misleading and misconstrued as well. I was in both streams that day and Silver was getting very upset about the attacks. Froot found out and went to see if she was ok and to help is she could. Froot ended up getting attacked. Her comment "i love all my friends everyone makes mistakes its only human" was a reply to someone in the chat (long story short Froot ended up muting her mic after getting upset and crying because she was trying to defend Silver and told a story about her brother (whos in the LGBT community) and the things she said to him when they were younger)
Unfortunately it's clipped out of context and not shown with the comment she was actually replying too. It is shown in videos with a comment someone made about Silver, instead of the one that was talking about her brother. Froot said later in another stream she her comment was about what she was saying on stream and NOT against Silver. She was saying she messed up in her past with her brother and that she loves her friends and wants to be there for her friends but can't because of all the threats people are doing.
Thank you for your time and hope this helps add context to things.
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Cheating is wrong, but i have 0 respect for abusers, I have a couple family members who were in abusive relationships, so I’m more inclined to believe Froot in regards to that
Amen to that.
This right here. I also think cheating is deplorable, HOWEVER, I always make an exception when it comes to abusive relationships. Trying to calmly communicate with an abusive partner about breaking up will only lead to something negative. Because of this, honestly the only thing you can do is cheat in order to get out of there.
Believe Froot about what? She didn't say, that she didn't cheated. Even if her ex is abuser, that doesn't mean she is not cheated. Or you saying, that you believe that her ex is manipulative and abusive? I mean everyone can see messages and is it obvious. Nobody claiming that she photoshoped messages.
@@CyanAmity Просто уйди из дома и больше не держи связь с человеком. Если ты изменяешь и потом возвращаешься к человеку это намного хуже, чем насилие
this woman stole from charity lmao
Here’s what I’ve gathered
There’s zero proof she cheated, her husband wanted a different kind of sex that “everyone was doing” and she wasn’t comfortable with it so he tried to coerce her into these activities (Which means he tried to disregard her consent)
He was at the very least verbally abusive if the messages are anything to go off of
The post where he claimed she cheated on him was deleted, most likely because it was a lie
He threatened to cheat on her because he wasn’t getting what he wanted
WestJett and Asmongold both incorrectly reported that her “exercising her rights over her autonomy” meant sleeping around
The notion she slept with five other men is a malicious fabrication spread by people who want Froot’s career dead
Now I don’t personally like Froot, but in this situation she is a victim of abuse and there’s a lot of negligence when it comes down to reporting the facts
finally, someone gets it
This.
Honestly, knowing all the dramas Froot is involved, i started to doubt everything she says. That girl has zero credibility
you dint not read 90 page for sure and what prove you have ex is abuse her
@@echofnoiseechofnoise3888 "you dint not read 90 page for sure".
Guess you must know for sure what this person did with their time. What'd you use, a Magic Orb? Tarot Cards? Were you hiding in their walls?
Heh, i like how Khyo titled this video LOL
This whole drama got so massively overblown cause of the huge hate campaign against her. Yeah she was messed up for the Hogwarts thing. doesn't mean she's guilty of everything. But people don't take time to read the doc, nor do they take the time to properly do their research. One even tried to defend the husband by showing his messages and responses... which took place after the times shown in the doc.... I mean seriously, it's like people trying to give the "Game end" penalty cause someone stole a box of rice...
I highly agree with the fact that both sides are not innocent. I just don't understand why people think stuff like this ONLY has 1 good person and 1 bad person. So stupid that people are defending her ex because he was cheated on, so now any abuse and manipulation he does to her is okay just because he was being cheated on? This also goes the other way, she isn't innocent just because he abused her. I do believe in Eye for an Eye but that doesn't make anyone innocent. I may not have been abused of manipulated but if I had the strength to cheat on them, then I probably had the strength to ask for help. Both parties are in the wrong, her ex is definitely worse but I hate the fact that so many vtubers are just dick riding Froot and justify her being abused and manipulated for any bad things she has done.
Tbf people look at this situation and either think she cheated on him she got what she deserved or he abused her he got what he deserved.
Edit: Also people never gonna forgive her for the hogwarts legacy stuff tbh.
As someone who was in abusive releationship for over 2 years, the most out of touch thing anyone can say is what you just said. Its never as easy and straightforward as leaving or just asking for help.
If it were that easy there wouldnt be DV or abusive releationships.
And no, im not excusing cheating. Simply pointing out the flawed and immature thinking you posess.
@@Ivan-hz3dg You got proof she cheated?
@@unionjakass6589 the cheating was messages on discord which she admitted to. People blow it out of proportion and say she was banging dudes while he was deployed, a rumor started by him after they broke up. He also already forgave her for it but uses it against her now for pity points, he also admitted to cheating against his previous partner lmao. And considering what he did to her cheating is pretty understandable.
We only have her side of a story and she already looks bad
The fact people disregarded the document of abuse and sa just because she’s sinned once is crazy to me
Accusation are just accusation, he said she said, the internet IS NOT your therapist or court. People will choose sides and attack each other over accusations. It's too easy for someone to edit DMs and messages to make someone look bad and/or good compared to the other person. I've seen too many people have the lives ruin base by accusations even if the truth gets out, or people side with someone and it turns out they are the villain. I will always stop following both parties after they start do this. Always take anything on the internet with a grain of salt.
Also wishing or even joking about ill, threat, or D**th to someone or family member is on the list of shitty people that need their phones and internet taken away from them.
I find it interesting how some people keep bringing up her alleged cheating on an abusive, manipulative "husband" in a "marriage" that was nothing more than a forced signature on a paper, as if that was somehow worse than all the crap he did. He's not not even worth the title of boyfriend or partner.
And everything Amber Heard said was true. Froot has changed her version multiple times.
One example of why I don't think Froot can be trusted is because she tried to paint the guy she slept with as a stalker to cover her 4ss. This backfired as the guy release the texts between him and her proving the cheating and the date as when she was still with her husband (the cheating allegations are actually substanciated).
The only person to ever call the husband an 4bu5er was Froot but various called her cheater (at least 3).
In the doc she paint the husband as homophobic but at the time she was extremely homophobic and transphobic even towards her own brother.
Given that I would take everything on that document with a grain of salt specially since everything in there was cherry picked.
There is a lot of things that don't even involve the cheating but are Froot's bad behavior and those are the main motive of the hostility towards Froot. But you either dig these stuff or are there when it happened (I used to be positive towards Froot and disregard the allegations until HL hit)
@@Gilsao157oh your one of those people who can't see reality sad.
@@livingglowstick1337 Tell me, oh holder of knowledge, which of what I said is not correct? Will, carrier of wisdom, you do not make an argument instead of just rambling like a dementia ridden old man?
What is so hard about understanding no?
You can't cheat if it wasn't a proper relationship. What she is describing honestly sounds more like he trafficked her.
List of accusations and controversies of Froot
- Scamming people in her old business with her husband
- Cheating on her husband with one to three guys
- Accusing one of the guys she cheatead on husband with of being a stalker
- Supporting the Hogwarts Legacy harassment campaign and in doing so backstabbing Silvervale
- Receiving Vshojo favoritism over Silver
- Promising to donate to a trans charity that targeted kids (Mermaids) during the HL harassment
- Not paying what she promise to the trans charity
- Copyright striking Anthime video that tell part of this information
- Her mother mass reporting Anthime discord and tweeter for cp
- The publishing of the 90 page doc that serves no other purposes besides creates chaos over a 7 yead old drama
- Receiving favoritism of VShojo over Kson
Now tell you believe blindly in this person. People are quick to forget that women lie about the husband being abusive to get things a la Amber Heard.
I'm a froot fan but it's stupid to pick a side. Both sides are shitty and while I've seen people talk about previous drama she has been in it shouldnt give people the right to harass her.
Of the two of them, Froot is the only one that stands to suffer financially from this so I'm on her side if only because the ex functionally walked into her place of business and tried to get her fired.
No, it isn't stupid to pick a side when one of them, Froot, is in the right.
@@abyssreborn4213 two wrongs don't make a right.
@@JoyZofSoRRoW Yes they do. Have you never heard of legal systems?
@@abyssreborn4213 except this is a "relationship" not a level issue. Or at least that we know of. If it isn't it's a good question to ask why it isn't a legal issue if she's making the case for abuse.
They both did stupid shit. She should have never walked away from her family, she should have walked away with him when he started making demands & suicidal, she should have broken up with him before going off with other men. In that same light the jackass shouldn't have been a creep, a manipulator and... Well a jackass. So as I said. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Hope she heals but you can tell from how she writes this she has a long way to go. The love for her is just as valid as the dislike for her. Hate I don't understand because it's fucking retarded to hate someone who has literally nothing to do with you or your life.
I don’t get why everyone is so worked up over a VTubers personal problem. Not only that but we total parasocial idiots out there accusing Ironmouse and Zentraya and other’s of condoning her actions.
It’s not condoning someone’s actions to be their coworker. They work for the same company even if they didn’t like her they would still have to behave and get along on screen.
It’s a coworkers personal problem. Has nothing to do with their work.
If the passage of "no ceremony, no dress, no vows" within the doc is true, can you even consider this a marriage and any following acts cheating? Is that even considered a formal marriage? I'm asking because I'm somewhat confused and uneducated in the matter
Everyone refers to them as husband and wife, and she also did prior to releasing the doc. So this doc, with cherry picked conversations, is the only place that puts their marriage in question. They even ran a business together (that infamously scammed its customers).
Why is every internet drama in existence something that should never be made public. This whole is literally just a bad relationship falling apart.
Going through the document, yeah, that's pretty messed up that her ex did those things. Like WOW, he's actually a piece of trash, and she deserves total support in that
The issue now, however, is both the timing and previous stuff that's built up ON TOP of the now well-informed allegations
Not that this isnt a good time to air out all the misconceptions about her, but she should follow up by addressing Hogwartz/Silvervale stuff, show proof of her donation to charity, AND keep her mom from flagging false claims/going defense on her behalf
It would be a great way to start fresh in a new life chapter. After all, she's still human, so she will make mistakes and at least deserve that chance
What well formed allegations?
Addressing everything else would definitely help her case a lot
@RXRXRXDB This document, obviously. We now have the other side of the story, not just his, and add a lot of context to ex claims with a LOT of screenshots that, unless proven otherwise, are pretty bad
thanks for pointing out that people are complicated and imperfect rather than a singular, unchanging existence, not many people in the comments have the balls to admit that from what I see.
Froot shouldn't be talking to her mom. Her mother controlled her bank and bank account at the beginning. Not sure if she still does.
But her mom also doing things like false flagging and such seems like her mother is controlling. Not just controlling, but forcing Froot to do things that aren't smart.
Froot isn't innocent in the scenario with her boyfriend/husband, but she is in the situation with her mother at least
I saw Nogla react to the whole Froot Controversy in his Nogla and Terroriser React Channel, Terroriser was at Twitch Con with Lanai (Ms.Vixen). So Nogla was doing the react channel by himself and in there next react channel they were talking about VTubers and Nogla was saying how people got mad at him for making fun of the whole Froot thing, but he did it for the memes because it was kind of similar to the whole Johnny Depp and Amber Heard thing 😂
Her ex literally pulled a "If I cant have you nobody will" 💀
So i respond by being clapped with 5 guys. Yeah that's sounds right
Let me get this right.
Dude wanted to try r-play, right? Basically CNC. But Froot wanted nothing to do with it and was wildly uncomfortable about, right? Who could blame her, given what both parties are pretending is happening.
So, dude doesn't get to live out his questionable fantasies, cause Froot sets that very clear boundary, and his first idea is to... throw a fucking temper tantrum and threated suicide, cheating, and withholding love and affection from her?
And there are people out there who are deadass claiming that her line about her maintaining her bodily autonomy is actually her trying to excuse the supposed cheating that happened, and NOT her putting her foot down telling this creep no???
My fucking blood is boiling, oh my GOD fuck these people!
Proof?
Say she did “cheat”. What could’ve happened is that her ex was consistently if not constantly talking about cheating on her. Depending how how that built up or made her feel. It could’ve translated as it’s not too terrible for her to try to find comfort as well. If one singular person causes you to have depression bad enough for you to hallucinate, then it can be hard not to want to seek comfort (that could’ve not been cheating/platonic). But also remember, he controlled her quite well. If she was afk for too long then she’d have an abysmal time. So who knows if she even had time or the ability to do that. Just my uneducated opinion. I don’t condone cheating it sucks big time, but when you’re being abused and the controller expects no consequences for cheating then maybe it is okay in a younger mind. I don’t think she cheated though.
these ppl need to touch grass, and meet more ppl irl
I love how cheating is somehow worse for than being abused for some people. WTF?!
It's very telling about the sort of character they are.
or backstabbing your friends
They're both bad but she had to do it to get way from the bigger evil so I don't think much ill will should be held for her
Isn’t cheating abuse?
@@REMME1998 No. Not by any logic is cheating abuse. You hilariously lame troll. lol
Let us wait for the response of the ex-husband🍿🍿🍿
He's never responded and actually removed his initial posts from face book guys a looser
Well this was A very informative video nice work
She didn’t have to say anything
Froot:*Explaining that this wasn't a real marrage to begin with, in a logical way*
Haters/Twitter weirdos: "ThAt MeAnS yOuR a ChEaTeR"
Sorry if there are grammatical errors, im still learning english to help more people
*and I also don't support cheating! Don't do that shit, pls.
Yup, that’s the internet for you. It’s honestly so disgusting.
😮💨this is dumb I'm not gonna bother
Not going to lie. Hearing this read again. My brain hurts trying to piece the story together
Something as personal as this shouldn’t be on the internet for random strangers to see. It creates what we’re seeing now, chaos.
Also people that are harassing people that support Froot are insane. If for some reason that it offends you so much that someone is supporting her, just mute/block them and move on, or better, touch grass.
i guess all this s..t started since last year accusations, probably she had enough of this point
Nah man, vshojo talent with their big brain wisdom thought to themselves "get therapy? Nah I'd win"😂
She had some real dedicated antis. Its crazy. Im not defending cheating. Im not defending abuse. Im minding my own business and the internet needs to do the same
Froot had a right to talk about this type of thing, but publicly posting this online is probably the worst thing to do. It's a gamble how people would react to it. This is something you talk about to family, friends, or most likely a therapist.
I subcribe for the rights of free speech. But it is little problematic when famous person starts talking about private people. It is very unequal field.
@@Ostvalt yeahhhh this seems a bit too personal and should've been kept private and only talked about to trusted people and not.. the internet
tbh she wasn't the first person to speak on the situation. It *would've* been kept private... had that been a mutual sentiment between her and her abuser. It's not really fair to condemn her for not keeping things private when she wasn't the first person to bring it up in the first place.
@@Void_Daddy Oh my bad, I went off of what info I was given
She wasn't the person to make this conflict public. People were harassing her for years over this (without ever delivering any kind of proof) and it just kept going. So it absolutely makes sense for her to publish this.
Welcome to the Champions' Club!
WTF is happening? I was only focusing on holoGTA the whole week.
BA-DEE-YAH
You're better off this way, honestly.
I also survived Gigi's karaoke.
Sheesh it went on so long to the point forgot it was even talking about froot
It's almost comical that these people will go out of their way to provide proof of anything else; but the moment you bring up that they're spreading lies about Froot all they can do is either
A: Quadruple down with the lies
B: Just accuse you of being a simp.
Or
C. Both
facts
@@Osc473 I don’t even like Froot that much and I think these people are totally deluded
you forgot D. bring up hogwarts legacy which is totally unrelated or mention her "track record" which is the same thing just vague (even though I do think she was in the wrong back then)
There’s another option: E. One of froot’s mutuals get axed on one platform (IE Ironmouse’s situation which luckily got resolved)
-Anonymous Vtuber Fan
@@jitteryjared5338 Froot is generally disliked among the VTuber community for these lies being spread (Which even I believed, ashamed as I am to admit it), the Hogwarts legacy stuff is at best vague because all she did from my recollection is say she’d donate to a trans charity, which she had every right to do
I don't understand why this even matters. She's not your girlfriend, she's a streamer. What she did in a private relationship years ago in a past life shouldn't be anyone's business. Like what if she did cheat? So what? How does that affect you? It's not like she did some heinous crime and got away with it. It's generally a dick move, but that's about it. The people that appear to be legitimately angry and hateful about this seem to me to be having some psychological issues with detaching themselves from an "online entity" that was never going to seriously engage with them to begin with. She's not going to be your waifu, faithful or otherwise, her fidelity is not your concern.
The relationship don't matter but Froot matters.
You see, every now and then, Froot do sh1t and this sh1t has a splatter zone that may hit something you do not want it to hit
@@Gilsao157 Ya I have never watched her, and I am aware of the Harry Potter incident which made me less inclined to watch her. I think that's where the line should be though, don't like her for whatever reason, don't watch her. The bizarre obsession with her wrongs some people have doesn't make sense to me.
@@Insanati Like I see said there is a splatter zone. Is not so much obsessed with past mistakes but with future ones. For example in this one Kson caught a bit of flak. What is gonna be next? Henya? Mousey?
I keep seeing the cheating allegations in Twitter but when I ask for proof there is nothing they provide.
Okay. There is a video by Anthime (they will tell it is fake but I didn't found nothing on it, in doubt do your on research) where the conversations between Froot and Cinna show they were together between february to april 2018. In the Froot doc is show that she was still with her husband at least until may 2018.
With this the cheating is proved
If you want to go even deeper in the rabbit hole:
In Depressed Nousagi video you get access to Froot and her Husband break up facebook posts
Antihime video has some other questionable behavior by Froot
Kuri Rinji videos besides this information has a live about a fan of Froot finding Cinna and questioning him
Are you talking about the video that was debunked by falseye ?
You know that video was litteraly a hit piece...
@@Kiyyou-253 The content of the video was never debunked by falseeyed. He focused on the immoral/illegal content on Anthime discord, the fact that distributed supposed Froot nudes that were in fact AI generated, on her vendetta on Froot and on Anthime edgy jokes (I say edgy because if you target blacks, jews, asians and white you just h4te everyone equally).
He also tried to explain that Froot and Vshojo were unaware of the copyright strike, but given VShojo historic of favoritism towards Froot, the fact that corporation statements are more often then not lies and that Apricot and Vshojo names were on the strike I say they knew and then tried to avoid a Streissand effect.
SO EVERYTHING ON THE VIDEO STILL STANDS. (There is a channel that points to some small inaccuracies but nothing of weight)
This is why I'd rather stay single after my experiences dating. Nevermind Froot's. I hope for the best for her.
I don't understand what these kind of docs are supposed to achieve. Twitter is neither a lawyer nor a therapist so nothing will happen aside from the obligatory "sorry this happened to you" spam.
Kind of my thoughts on it. She doesn't owe this to anyone, why is it being aired out for all to see when she knows it'll foster a negative reactions and force others to have to defend her? Not sure if she just wants the attention... Nobody will know i guess.
She keeps getting harassed because of the cheating accusations. Why do you think she decided to speak publicly about this ?
@@lucky4d725and venting on twitter will definitely convince these people.
She’s a public person, she should know you can never convince haters
People choose to speak out on these things sometimes because they're fed up with their side of the story not being told or because they're sick of misinformation? How hard is that to understand?
You know how women cry on tiktok?
Same thing, it is to get sympathy and pats on the back.
Thx for reading
I'm just gonna say this. I have no clue if anything fruit said is true. I have no clue if anything that the boyfriend/husband has said has been true. It's all just hearsay, but if he was being abusive and he was threatening her and then he also threatened to game end himself. Well, let him do it one less bad person in the world.
I'm inclined to agree but really the threat of ending himself would be a manipulation tactic not a real thing.
just because someone has done wrong in the past doesn't means she cant be abused and if she cheated on abuser, go girl honestly
Has VShojo come out with a public statement affirming the safety and security of their talent?
It's call Talent Freedom for a reason 😂
theres 1 simple solution to all of this.....keep your private life matters private
I sometimes wonder if there's anyone left who watches Vtubers and isn't in a parasocial relationship with them.
People caring about their personal lives is always crazy to me.
Lots of fedoras getting tipped on this one
Vtubers won't even be where it is if people are not that parasocial. Stop lying to yourself
This is what we see in our whole society. Countries with freedom of press usually have drama taploids just for this.
i dont see how she was cheating or how she isnt the victim bc she cheated, the timeline for when she was supposedly cheating doesnt make sense and even if she was cheating that doesnt make her not the victim anymore, especially since she was being abused before the cheating claims.
She cheated right before the exercising body autonomy part (which was may 2018). She cheated in february to april 2018 with a guy named Cinna. You shouldn't fully trust what is said in the doc as it was created to share a positive light on Froot.
As messy as this is (Yes cheating is still bad, but lemme tell ya, mental abuse is SO much worse, I pray that it never escalated to anything physical...), there could have been some potential as a means to clear the air about the Hogwarts Legacy issue. Y'know, since old bones are being dug up, so to speak.
If worded right (with, preferably, an apology put in), she could have gotten her side of the story explained. The whole thing absolutely did not need to happen, it was just another Twitter firestorm about issues that are, frankly, beyond most people's control, if you ask me. Hell, Silvervale might have stuck around and Pikamee might not have had to graduate (wishful thinking, I know, but I believe there's a world out there where this was possible). This could have been turned into a widescale apology for the things she has done, but hey. The fates weren't written as such, I suppose.
And why the heck did Kson's tweet get taken down? I felt like her thoughts reciprocated what needed to be said. The Vshojo top brass must've wanted less fuel on the fire, I suppose, so they can handle it internally without having to focus on controlling the angry Twitter mob, I suppose.
Froot did nothing to apologize for. She had a valid opinion about playing that game. She didn't harass anyone.
Pikamee was planning to graduate before the drama, when her contract was up. You lost a month of streams, but she'd been planning to join vshojo for the better connections and support.
Froot did nothing to hurt Pikamee, and they're literally friends now.
Silvervale played a controversial game and riled up a bunch of transphobes with her crocodile tears. She was always a snake, just ask her former friends that she abandoned when Vshojo made her famous.
Betting KSon was censored by VShojo brass to either not add fuel to the fire or Froot is more senior in VShojo, so she gets "special treatment."
The first time I heard about this drama I figured Froot was indeed the cheater and nothing else was to it, so i'm glad I withheld my vocal opinions until hearing this.
Guess it was a lot more complicated than it at first looked like.
I had a very close friend in an abusive relationship. Cheating on their abusive partner, gave that sense of choice and freedom to break free of the shackles that held them down. They isolate, they break them down, and its horrible to watch happen. Cheating is not something good to do in any relationship, but, sometimes it can be the moment that opens a door to something better. Any bit that gives some one in that situation a taste of self autonomy they didnt have for so long. Was the cheating wrong? Yes. Yes it was. Did it cause a chain of events to free them abuse? It did as well. As all situations, there is more than black and white, use your heads, think with an open heart and mind.
I don’t even know how I should feel about Froot, either she’s worse than Amber Heard or if she was clearly the victim all along and that we refuse to understand her sympathy because of the Hogwarts incident…
In what world is she worse than amber?
@@MonolithicCyanTsunamiIn the world that she didn't straight up disavow the hogwarts legacy harassment campaign despite it being against two of her friends/coworkers. Ignoring the 90 page document as that is purely a he said, she said piece, literally we have no proof to support either her claims or his claims. Ignoring that, she has a history of supporting vile behavior which leads me to believe her LESS in this current situation.
She hasn't shit her bed yet. So at least she's not worse than amber heard.😂
I honestly think it's crazy that people on Twitter are hooked on the cheating allegation and could care less about the abuse allegations. Cheating is bad, yeah. Abuse is worse. Regardless of what is true, Froot and people who support her should not be getting attacked for this... In general though, people are waaaaaay too invested in the personal lives of total strangers online.
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Is not her personal life, is its weaponization. Many people waiting for Froot get her comeuppets from the Hogwarts Legacy harassment campaign and the cheating is just the tool to get it.
theres really several things on context i dont like from these documents that makes me play devils advocate:
Time stamps: How can we believe its true if these are literally months apart.
The other side: How can we tell its from the ex for real and not take it face value that it could be as accused "one of the 5 guys" (this is doubtful but again, context) because of yet we've yet to hear the ex's side of this, hell she even said similar like, "this isnt like him hes normally completely different".
Date and timing: Why NOW, post this long document on this abuse if it nearly almost a DECADE at this point of age in the year where MANY abusers came out on popular youtubers and have been actually proven to be falsified.
Third party: A year ago theres been a third part digging evidence on Froot before shes even posted her 90 page document showing leaked messages, what she did with her ex (the patch shop), the cheating allegations, her hypocrisy on her past with Silver, including her recent with the "donations" issue.
im not fully trusting over her side when we've yet to hear a full story.
This situation is just such a mess, these people just want to dunk on Froot and use the cheating as there "moral highground" same shit basically as with the Hogwarts Legacy situation, which they also love to use cause she threw Silver and Pikamee "under the bus" which imo is also total overblown bullshit and im saying that as someone who played the game itself and as a fan of Silvervale, the whole "everyone makes mistake" thing was just a message in Froots Chat after people came into her stream saying Silver banned the word Trans in her stream which was just a automatic banned word in the higher twitch Automod settings but who cares about facts anymore people just want drama drama drama...
exactly, plus Pikame and Froot are friends, there was no ill will there, people are making problems where there was none. did silver deserve to be harassed. No, was it Froots fault? no. literally froots take on the situation translates to "putting forks in electrical outlets hurts." it was blantantly obvious for months before the games release how viewers were going to react.
The tweets that froot made around the same time are pretty incriminating. Or shows a level of fence sitting.
Imagine you got harassed by a group then your "friend" made a big public announcement about how she supports that group and being complete ally of that group. "Throwing under the buss" is a understatement. That was "Hey i am one of the good guys" virtue signalling. I don't even talking about the charity organization she promote was a pdf file group.
@@emirozdemir-wallywest1426 yeah her doing that and the fact that Vshojo didn't do shit like threaten legal action against harassers to protect Silvervale who had to deal with said harassment during the Hogwarts Legacy drama is fucking stupid.
@@pepsilove6306silvervale isn’t stupid. It’s so easy to understand that as the primary IP owner JK Rowling would get money from an officially licensed game, and that she’d use that money to fund anti trans legislation in the UK, so therefore buying and streaming HWL indirectly funds anti trans legislation. Silvervale simply didn’t care and insisted she buy the game and stream it. And then when she got legitimate criticism she did the most cowardly thing possible and conflated the harassment with the criticism and refused to even try and see that she was in the wrong too. Wait no, sorry, the most cowardly thing possible was leaving Vshojo so she could create her own insular echo chamber community so she wouldn’t ever have to confront the possibility of being wrong in anything ever again.
My first thought: Kson is based as F for her response. It's a shame that she had to take it down, but I understand why. My second thought: What right do we have to even know about what goes on in another person's private life, let alone judge it? Even public figures have the right to privacy, though we don't always give it to them.
I don't know what prompted her to post this document. I don't know IF she cheated or what the circumstances were surrounding that. I won't get into details here, but I have experience with how messy cheating can be. So personally, I'm going to pretend like I never knew anything about this document (which is easy because I haven't looked at it, so I only know the few parts that were shared in this video) and not let it affect my view of or how I treat Froot.
Well i say the first one, kson admitting to just read half.(I doubt that but sure) Which shows she jumps in to support her blindly for her friend. It makes vshojo look bad but hey talent freedom
The second thought. What right? I say none but now she brought it up. It has now became the publics problem. There's a reason you don't share everything. I'm surprised she's not retarded to share her bank account yet😂
Abuse is abuse regardless of what one partner does to the other. If your partner cheats on you, you leave them and move on, you don’t sit there and just abuse them. Abuse is wrong period.
He abused her before she cheated, though, and that's the issue with this. People are ok with the abuse because they hate cheating. I also guarantee it's because they hate her and vshojo.
Men bad whamen good
I think for Froot’s case, she wanted to leave the abusive relationship first, but physically or mentally was forced to stay
I feel bad for her tbh. This scenario is so messed up . We honestly should collectively move on , and let the girl have peace
In multiple cases she was caught changing versions, lying, manipulating, censoring. Why do you take her word for it? The Amber Heard trial didn't showed that women can lie? She may as well be the english Rushia.
I heard Froot's Ex was in the military and had some form of PTSD. As someone who had a Uncle in the Marines who had PTSD which sadly led to him claiming his own life and his girlfriend's life along with a family member of hers, I know how bad it can get if people don't get the help they really need. I highly doubt this is a case of cheating as it seems Froot's Ex has sadly gone almost Insane. Also for all we know if Froot didn't leave him behind in time there is a good chance her Ex would of done something similar to what i said my Uncle did and claim her life. PTSD can get that bad
There was abuse before, during, and after the military. It's stated in the document that he essentially used her for the benefit of living comfortably in a house that she did not even live in once.
You've never met any of these people and are just filling the gaps with things familial to you. Even if the ex has ptsd, it's not froot's responsibility.
@@Duamerthrax my family has experienced what happens when a family member's PTSD gets out of control so i know what can happen. If Froot is telling the truth about her Ex then she made a really good call. Also if you never had family members that are Ex-Military with PTSD then don't go around saying you know what it can do
@@sdgamer1860 At no point did I say what having a family member with pdst can be like. I said that you don't know froot's ex and are just speculating.
@@Duamerthrax If i miss understood what you were saying then sorry. To me it sounds like the Ex is going through PTSD and got really abusive towards Froot because of it
Khyo, this isn't how you play the YT drama game, you need to use the word "wild" instead of crazy
Shit you’re right
Even with all the information I’m still having a hard time believing her problem with people who cheat is they usually lie or tell half truths to make themselves look better so hard to know what to believe
Why and how did this whole thing become public in the 1st place?
according to the rumor mill, a really old FB post her ex made.
Exactly
@@Zacatexas her ex husband came forward first to slander her a long time ago and lied and said she slept with a bunch of men while he was deployed with no proof
@@jitteryjared5338What is the proof against him though? Not saying he is innocent, but why are we blindly accepting froot a "proof" when it's all stuff that can and usually is VERY easily fabricated. Stop blindly trusting everything you see from anyone on the internet. Neither source is trust worthy, so have no opinion on the situation.
@@luckytanuki5449 bro she has text messages in the doc. Just read the doc and do basic research before trying to argue wtf. They are easily fabricated sure, but also easily debunked. 30 million people have seen her tweet at least a few million have opened the doc then, you think no ones tried to see if the texts are photoshopped?
Personally, I find this whole thing ridiculous because whatever is going on with Froot (or just Vtubers in general for that matter) is her business to deal with and no one else's. The fact that there are people getting involved and starting all this drama and attacking her and people who support her is just absurd. And it only seems to be getting more and more toxic by the day.
I feel like people dont understand that both sides could be true. And that doesn't make either right.
Do abuse is correct in your mind? Ok thrn
@@livingglowstick1337 Cheating is also abuse
@@gratefulguy4130 cheating also requires a relationship which I can't find evidence of I see a prison she was trapped in wanting out
@@livingglowstick1337bruh can't comprehend that froot is shit herself. It's shitty people made for each other.
List of accusations and controversies of Froot
- Scamming people in her old business with her husband
- Using racial slurs and being transphobic even against her brother
- Cheating on her husband with one to three guys
- Accusing one of the guys she cheatead on husband with of being a stalker
- Supporting the Hogwarts Legacy harassment campaign and in doing so backstabbing Silvervale
- Receiving Vshojo favoritism over Silver
- Promising to donate to a trans charity that targeted kids (Mermaids) during the HL harassment
- Not paying what she promise to the trans charity
- Copyright striking Anthime video that tell part of this information
- Her mother mass reporting Anthime discord and tweeter for cp
- The publishing of the 90 page doc that serves no other purposes besides creates chaos over a 7 yead old drama
- Receiving favoritism of VShojo over Kson
Imagine the internet turning on you and making you out to be a bad person because you didn't want to try buttstuff(im assuming)
List of accusations and controversies of Froot
- Scamming people in her old business with her husband
- Cheating on her husband with one to three guys
- Accusing one of the guys she cheatead on husband with of being a stalker
- Supporting the Hogwarts Legacy harassment campaign and in doing so backstabbing Silvervale
- Receiving Vshojo favoritism over Silver
- Promising to donate to a trans charity that targeted kids (Mermaids) during the HL harassment
- Not paying what she promise to the trans charity
- Copyright striking Anthime video that tell part of this information
- Her mother mass reporting Anthime discord and tweeter for cp
- The publishing of the 90 page doc that serves no other purposes besides creates chaos over a 7 yead old drama
- Receiving favoritism of VShojo over Kson
Thats the reason people don't like Froot
I’m so exhausted by this, this is why i stayed quiet and not commented on anything about this.
Yeah, i liked some comments and i sure as hell regret that now and feel like a total dickhead.
For Christ sake, she’s an abuse victim, can we not, can we really just not?
It’s especially shit for me since i have family that have been through similar, If I had the money, I would donate to her to apologize directly.
It’s just so fucked man….
I don’t really follow Froot, no hate I just don’t really know much of her work. I didn’t follow this drama from the beginning. But what I will say is, right, wrong, innocent or guilty (and I have no idea where she fits) I just felt gross listening to this document. If she is pressing charges, she should show this to a lawyer. If she needs help she should show her therapist. And I’m not validating or invalidating any of her claims. Because truthfully NONE of us know what really happened and as such it’s not really any of our business. I really think she needs to take a break, heal, figure some things out… but the internet is no place to do this.
One important thing for many was also, that Froot was involved in a lot of other horrible situations, like the Hogwarts Legacy drama or keeping donations meant for charity. I personally didn't even know of any cheating scandal related to her, but I did see some of what she said when Hogwarts Legacy came out, which changed my opinion of her drastically. (and that might also be why Henya is the only Vshojo girl that didn't reply to her, but that's just speculation)
@@Keiken0 Froots take on HWL was absolutely fine. Silvervale is an idiot for not seeing all the negative press about HWL and streaming it anyway. Pikamee/Henya didn’t deserve the harassment because she lives in Japan and it’s understandable that she wouldn’t keep up with stuff like that. But Silvervale absolutely should have understood why she’d deservedly get backlash for streaming HWL
@@FoxerBoxerNaaniwano one deserves to be harassed over playing a video game period. Especially from a cheater.
@@SilverNinjatv Silvervale got genuine criticism and genuine harassment and instead of reflecting on the criticism and ignoring the harassment she had a little pitty party on stream where she cried so that her parasocial psychopathic fanbase would run to her defense
@@FoxerBoxerNaaniwa Why would anyone "deservedly" get harassed for playing a game you don't like or is somewhat related to someone you don't like? You worry too much about stuff dude you'll get wrinkles and older faster.
@@SilverNinjatv Froot wasn't condoning the harassment and if she really cared about that, she wouldn't be associating with Henya.
Silvervale didn't deserve the harassment, but there's only so much anyone can do to stop trolls. Did you expect Vshojo to sue everyone on twitter? She made a desiccation to play it on stream. I know a few vtubers who played it on stream and just tanked the harassment.
Bro, this situations is nuts. Its nobody business but theirs... 🙀🙀🙀🙀
so in conclusion, both sides are bad