As always, thanks for watching. Hope you are getting out there. This one is only a few hours from you. Unrelated, but Cornudas and Wind Mountain are supposed to be interesting areas to check out, but I have not been yet.
Something to think about...since 1680 the Apache killed anyone they caught mining on or near their land. It's not a mine Ben Sublett found. He found the cave where the Apache returned the stolen gold to the earth.
This is a story told several times in John D. Mitchell’s treasure hunting books that he wrote. The starting point to the story is at the Tumacacori Mission located south of Tucson and north of Nogales. In the story the Jesuits supposedly placed 2,050 burro loads of silver and 905 burro loads of gold and silver bullion in a mine called the Guadalupe Mine. After the task was completed, they blasted two peaks above the mine and sent rock down covering the mine entrance. Mitchell story says the mine is located one league from the gates of the mission to the southwest. Another mine is mentioned in the story called the Tumacacori Mine which holds a copper chest with church artifacts and a map of all the mines in the area. It is supposed to lie close to Tumacacori Peak. It was also covered up.
Thanks for the comprehensive write up. This video is about the Guadalupe Mountains in Texas, however - a very different setting and people. I lived in Tucson for a while. Lots of stories about stuff near Tumacacori, and that's not too far from where Ron Quinn and his buddies found the gold bars in recent times. I have some experience down there, but no special knowledge of the mine you are writing about - I was hunting other stuff when I lived down there.
Seen the Jesse James book re-watching this, Dan Lowe links Jesse to the Texas panhandle in his research. I grew up in the panhandle, Had an older man last name Towler born mid 50s next door when I was 12-18, I spent a lot of time with working on old cars in his shop out back and listening to beer drinking stories as a kid. He told me that he was related to Jesse James I always figured he was full of bs but he was always very adamant about it. He was not the type to lie and tell stories he was kind of a hard a$$. Was not till I seen the info that Dan had put together a little bit ago that I really think he might have really been telling me the truth. I'm not sure Dan had said any of the family names he had been looking into there. I also know some stuff on the Sam Bass Stuff, My great uncle and my dad both looked for it for many years. I'm super stoked to get out here in NM and do some looking and exploring!!! Great stories and great history if nothing else! Plz keep them coming!
It's an interesting relationship when a teen gets to hang out with a crusty older guy or group of guys doing man stuff. Can toughen you up and teach a lot of practical skills. Used to be a tribal rite of passage sort of thing society seems to neglect nowadays. Just got to tone down the cussing when you get back around mom. I'm hoping to do a video highlighting some of Dan's stuff. He has so much on tuscoro.com! He's an interesting character. Met him at Moon Lake Gathering year before last. I don't know that much about Sam Bass - will have to read up.
I’m from Monahans and the story was passed down in my family but different. The story i know is the apaches actually found him on their final departure of the Gusdalupes and were going to kill him but he spoke small bits of apache and thats what ultimately saved his life. The Apaches were leaving to settle in ft davis or ft stanton after taking major hits by Cushion and his men. so on their way out they told him directions on where to find the mine. Thats what was told to me.
Wow, that's amazing! Thanks for sharing. Hard to get down to 100% truth on legends like this, but I'd put a lot of stock in what was handed down. Wonder how he picked up Apache language to begin with? Please do share any other information if you are willing. This is an important story and a lot of people are interested in it. Got to get it recorded.
@@lostadamsgold here is a historical resource study from the area with all types of details of expeditions through the mountains. Great information of the Guadalupes past. Ben worked for the railroad as a hunter for the workers. Finding big game was his job so i think Guadalupes is where i would go if i was in his shoes.
@@josephtodd5070 Joseph it looks like the link did not post. Maybe UA-cam strips it? Him being a hunter makes a lot of sense that he could have stumbled across something even while working doing that. You can send me the link at my email address. Click around on the text near the Channel icon for my channel and it will show my email address. I may do a follow-up to this video with your information and a few things I forgot and left out of this one.
@@lostadamsgold Interesting - the carvings look identical to several in the Cookes Range. My surveyor pal told me the word means "in a straight line", and that from the lilo carving, an observer should sight on some nearby specific object (possibly another carving) to establish a line to follow.
@@sc2824 Yeah, I remember you saying that a few years back. I have not been back to that site in a long time. The "Lilos" seem to come in two varieties, and this one looks much more like the cartographic/survey mark type than the more graffiti like ones with a capital L and often a date next to them. BTW, the "possession mark" symbol you mention appears on the same panel as a capital L one at FPS in Cooke's Range.
You can find Coronado's Children anywhere. It has good story value. Buscher's book is harder to find. If you can get your hands on one, I say get that one. You can get Coronado's Children on loan from a library.
You doing your videos on places you've actually been sets you apart from most treasure story channels. It's much appreciated good sir
As always, thanks for watching. Hope you are getting out there. This one is only a few hours from you. Unrelated, but Cornudas and Wind Mountain are supposed to be interesting areas to check out, but I have not been yet.
Let's go!
I'm heading out there to look for some gold and rock hound.
Another great video. Thanks for sharing!
Hope things have been good for you. Looking forward to your next vid when you get a chance.
Just recently found your channel and enjoying it! Subscribed!
Thanks. Positive feedback keeps me going. Enjoy. And... get out there!
Something to think about...since 1680 the Apache killed anyone they caught mining on or near their land. It's not a mine Ben Sublett found. He found the cave where the Apache returned the stolen gold to the earth.
There's some definite logic to that idea.
This is a story told several times in John D. Mitchell’s treasure hunting books that he wrote. The starting point to the story is at the Tumacacori Mission located south of Tucson and north of Nogales.
In the story the Jesuits supposedly placed 2,050 burro loads of silver and 905 burro loads of gold and silver bullion in a mine called the Guadalupe Mine. After the task was completed, they blasted two peaks above the mine and sent rock down covering the mine entrance.
Mitchell story says the mine is located one league from the gates of the mission to the southwest. Another mine is mentioned in the story called the Tumacacori Mine which holds a copper chest with church artifacts and a map of all the mines in the area. It is supposed to lie close to Tumacacori Peak. It was also covered up.
Thanks for the comprehensive write up.
This video is about the Guadalupe Mountains in Texas, however - a very different setting and people.
I lived in Tucson for a while. Lots of stories about stuff near Tumacacori, and that's not too far from where Ron Quinn and his buddies found the gold bars in recent times. I have some experience down there, but no special knowledge of the mine you are writing about - I was hunting other stuff when I lived down there.
Bill Sublett lived in Odessa Texas. And traveled west to the Guadalupe mountains on the border of Texas and New Mexico. Different story.
Seen the Jesse James book re-watching this, Dan Lowe links Jesse to the Texas panhandle in his research. I grew up in the panhandle, Had an older man last name Towler born mid 50s next door when I was 12-18, I spent a lot of time with working on old cars in his shop out back and listening to beer drinking stories as a kid. He told me that he was related to Jesse James I always figured he was full of bs but he was always very adamant about it. He was not the type to lie and tell stories he was kind of a hard a$$. Was not till I seen the info that Dan had put together a little bit ago that I really think he might have really been telling me the truth. I'm not sure Dan had said any of the family names he had been looking into there. I also know some stuff on the Sam Bass Stuff, My great uncle and my dad both looked for it for many years. I'm super stoked to get out here in NM and do some looking and exploring!!! Great stories and great history if nothing else! Plz keep them coming!
It's an interesting relationship when a teen gets to hang out with a crusty older guy or group of guys doing man stuff. Can toughen you up and teach a lot of practical skills. Used to be a tribal rite of passage sort of thing society seems to neglect nowadays. Just got to tone down the cussing when you get back around mom. I'm hoping to do a video highlighting some of Dan's stuff. He has so much on tuscoro.com! He's an interesting character. Met him at Moon Lake Gathering year before last. I don't know that much about Sam Bass - will have to read up.
I’m from Monahans and the story was passed down in my family but different. The story i know is the apaches actually found him on their final departure of the Gusdalupes and were going to kill him but he spoke small bits of apache and thats what ultimately saved his life. The Apaches were leaving to settle in ft davis or ft stanton after taking major hits by Cushion and his men. so on their way out they told him directions on where to find the mine. Thats what was told to me.
Wow, that's amazing! Thanks for sharing. Hard to get down to 100% truth on legends like this, but I'd put a lot of stock in what was handed down. Wonder how he picked up Apache language to begin with? Please do share any other information if you are willing. This is an important story and a lot of people are interested in it. Got to get it recorded.
@@lostadamsgold here is a historical resource study from the area with all types of details of expeditions through the mountains. Great information of the Guadalupes past. Ben worked for the railroad as a hunter for the workers. Finding big game was his job so i think Guadalupes is where i would go if i was in his shoes.
@@lostadamsgold file:///var/mobile/Library/SMS/Attachments/ee/14/4BD327B1-DF43-4EEA-A077-3C64593365F9/Historical%20resource%20study%20guadalupes.pdf
@@josephtodd5070 Joseph it looks like the link did not post. Maybe UA-cam strips it? Him being a hunter makes a lot of sense that he could have stumbled across something even while working doing that. You can send me the link at my email address. Click around on the text near the Channel icon for my channel and it will show my email address. I may do a follow-up to this video with your information and a few things I forgot and left out of this one.
@@lostadamsgold looks like theres only two links, your website and FB. Unless im missing it.
awsome
Yo! Let's GO!!! Thanks AV!
Did you find those "lilo"s (3:40-4:20) in the Gudalupes?
No sir, closer to Hatch. Watch out for them bicyclers and the closed roads this weekend.
@@lostadamsgold Interesting - the carvings look identical to several in the Cookes Range. My surveyor pal told me the word means "in a straight line", and that from the lilo carving, an observer should sight on some nearby specific object (possibly another carving) to establish a line to follow.
@@sc2824 Yeah, I remember you saying that a few years back. I have not been back to that site in a long time. The "Lilos" seem to come in two varieties, and this one looks much more like the cartographic/survey mark type than the more graffiti like ones with a capital L and often a date next to them. BTW, the "possession mark" symbol you mention appears on the same panel as a capital L one at FPS in Cooke's Range.
Ty Sir!
Anyone know which is a better read?
•Coronado’s children
•lost treasures+mines of the SW
You can find Coronado's Children anywhere. It has good story value. Buscher's book is harder to find. If you can get your hands on one, I say get that one. You can get Coronado's Children on loan from a library.
@@lostadamsgold ok thanks.
Unfortunately my library’s copy has to be read in the library, can’t check out.
Happy Fourth of July 🇺🇸
Oh man i can't wait lol