Drinking games for this game: Easy mode: Take a shot every time Ad Nauseum is countered. Hard mode: Take a shot every time a commander's activated ability is... activated. Liver destruction mode: Take a shot every time Mike creates a treasure.
Funny Story buddy of mine had one and we let him use it but made him promise us not to get mad we copied it 6 times between us all..... he scooped.......
Impressive how you edited 6 hours down to ~35 minutes. Almost as impressive as playing a single game of cedh for 6 hours! thanks for this amazing match, love to see it.
I thought it was fairly straight forward. Whenever an opponent casts a noncreature spell, mike creates a treasure. It's printed on the card. Seriously though you should make that the alter after that game.
As someone who doesn't play cEDH, this game's weirdness, especially in the midgame, really shows some of the weird quirks of cEDH. We have decks that all have interaction, but are all locked out of their plan, leaving everyone mostly staring at each other. Poor Ryan sitting there with all the permanents in the world and nothing to do with them is a prime example. Really entertaining game!
@@youtuber4545 Primeval Titan, infamously banned with the explanation "it warps games to much around it. It turns the game into playing around or controlling it" yeah
@@MadThespian If you aren't a little salty about at least 1 of those 2 cards, you might be bad at cEDH, since tutoring and drawing combined are the two most important things to be doing other than straight up winning. Not being able to draw extra cards turns the game into a slog for most decks, and not being able to tutor leaves most decks with no choice but to draw into win cons, which are usually a pair of cards, meaning the odds of drawing both are painful unless you draw lots. Get both out and the game is a nightmare for most decks. This ignores instances where you turn either of the cards into a combo, IE wheel with Hullbreacher or force searching with Opposition Agent, and people love to wheel. Still, is it the nastiest stax you can run? I doubt it, even Rule of Law can be as hostile or more hostile, making it technically impossible for many decks to win. Regarding Prime Time, are you serious? Literally every green deck regardless of skill level should play Prime Time (if it was legal), Opposition Agent and Hullbreacher are both largely dead cards at lower levels of play, where people rely on top decking big creatures/spells, and a lot of people actually like playing that way even if they 'know better', because it can be fun. Prime Time shits on those games, and it would also be among the best things you can do in cEDH that isn't winning the game on the spot (not saying you can't win the game off of 2 lands, just saying even if you don't, 2 non-basic lands *every turn* for free is bonkers). Stax isn't fun, but idiot proof value engines are even less fun I'd argue. That said, if you don't agree, Rule 0 it and play whatever cards you want. I'd love to have Opposition Agent banned because it hurts my Zur deck so much, but because it shouldn't be, I instead just keep trying to sneak in more removal to deal with the Agent (and Hullbreacher, because wheels where you get no cards aren't fun). I even run Opposition Agent in my Zur deck, because it can take over games, in part because I know what it can do to my own deck. Would more removal solve Prime Time? Maybe in cEDH, but not in casual, where the other two aren't an issue.
Played a I think 7-8 player commander game. I played a super casual gimmick Kenerith deck where I gave people favors if they killed any non-humans/non-knights I summoned or that opponents summoned. Add on the fact that everyone at the table respected this interesting take at commander and the game went for a pretty long time.
This was one hell of a game and I loved every minute. Really cool to see just how much value Tasigur brought, I'm highly interested in learning more about the deck!
Best game I've seen yet on yt! Just outstanding! Well played by everyone at the table! Ty for such an awesome game and deciding to share it with us! You guys are the best!
Every now and then I forget they're all recording their tables in different areas, so one'll reach to draw or something, fingers get cut off cause of the frame and I'm sitting their confused and concerned until my brain cell decides to work again!
What a grind! I’m surprised that the table thought Folger was the threat when Ryan had all the hate pieces on board. I guess all the Tasigur activations meant that Folger was getting gas the whole time....
This is why the dragon shield sleeves I use for my Tasigur deck are petrol. The deck is just gas. and yes, I bought the sleeves solely so I can make that joke every time I play it.
Folger has a reputation at this table for how long they've played with him and their usual game plan is to hate Folger off the table as fast as possible. Folger usually winds up as the archenemy even if other players have arguably more threatening board states.
@@charlesmaillho367 I can relate to that. This always happens to me when i play with my friends. In this game i think they killed him there, because Ryan had Drannith Magistrate. And the "secret" Card Folger took with Praetors Grasp might have been Thassas Oracle. Folger had a lot of Counterspells in hand and possibly a Consultation or tainted pact. Folger could kill Ryan and afterwards he'd be free to carry out his plan.
This game just shows that with these widely played creature threats in the form of Hullbreacher, Opposition agent to be expected each and every game the number of hard removal spells needs to be upped. Looking at the decks the First Sliver had a mere 3 Spells that can outright kill a troublesome creature (counting Gilded Drake), Tasigur 4, Najeela 5 and Tymna/Thrasios 2. Since you nowadays have to expect at least 2-3 players running 3+ colors on every table odds are that there are much more of these troublesome creatures to be had. I am wondering if something like Kolaghan's Command could be playable. Kills both Hullbreacher and Opposition Agent and also can return yours or destroy an artifact (even your own crypt if needed).
That was a freaking amazing game guys. Not sure about everyone else but I love seeing games like this. It shows that cEDH isn't just a turn 5 Max and I win game.
What a great video - and uploaded on my special day no less! Thanks for all of your awesome content and efforts during this period of time, I watch them every day to make the Covid go away :)
This game was unbelievable. What I would have done is probably flipped the table and then rocked back and forth in the corner, crying into my tea. Great game everyone and well played!
What a slug fest! Such a good game. Was disappointed that after all of that, it ended with a fish consult... Just didn't feel like it captured the spirit of that game. Still an awesome video ;)
I love the way mike played the game - he casts neo form into opposition agent to try to save Ryan. He knows his best avenue is to have one of the reactive decks (tasigur) lose first, keep Ryan in the game as hullbreacher weakens his card advantage engine and have them grind out the ad nauseam player’s win first then try to win himself.
This Game was by fair the best game ive ever seen. this is nuts. i thought my games i play at home with some buddies take 2 hours is long but 6 hours holy smokes that is awesome game of magic the gathering right there. love it you guys are amazing.
This game was insane... If I was Folger I would hold the Praetor's Grasp until Ryan was dead. Slow squeezing him out with Deathrite Shaman, then pulling the trigger. Playing Dark Confidant didn't help either but I 100% understood why he played it. Tasigur is amazing, that is all.
I think Tasigur was at least slightly more impactful that hullbreacher. Rebuying soooo much permission and removal to police the table with was the biggest factor in the slog I think. Of course, Tasigur's buy back might not have been so instrumental if not for hullbreacher shutting down draws, so I can go either way on it.
This shows the power of Hullbreacher and Agent, they brick so many of the current top builds. I like them, they make for entertaining and less repetitive games.
God that was amazing and god 6 hours?! And i thought my old games where I played a group hug deck in casual games which lasted for 4 hours was impressive
At 31:47, if Ryan was aware that he would easily die to Folger's Deathrite Shaman, why didn't he cast the Gilded Drake he got off of Opposition Agent? I ask because this video is so long that I don't know if I missed some stax piece, or a record of what cards Folger reclaimed from Tasigur thus far, or maybe it was because this was likely 5 hours into a 6 hour game and also that Ryan didn't physically steal the Gilded Drake so the muscle memory didn't kick in, that he forgot about it?
I asked in one of your videos if you have "Don't feed the fish"-playmats available, but got told that they were limited time offer. Since I can't get over how much I want one I have to ask if you have any plans on getting more of 'em in the future? =) Found this channel too late.
18:41 don't have counterspell. tasigur 3 times. fetch cs, use it before ad nauseum resolve. this is what yugioh player fear 22:13 high lv play. Veil mask Trophy but it is actually to protect Ad Nauseum 32:14 fate dillema. Folger got 2 creature, either 1 might kill himself or the other 1 might kill Ryan 37:20 so, Magic as Richard Garfield intended?
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Drinking games for this game:
Easy mode: Take a shot every time Ad Nauseum is countered.
Hard mode: Take a shot every time a commander's activated ability is... activated.
Liver destruction mode: Take a shot every time Mike creates a treasure.
Bruh that's just suicide 🤣
Bonus round: take a shot every time a mana crypt flip is won😂
And then they realized it was all a Shahrazad Subgame.
In a Into the Dungeon subgame
Oof
Funny Story buddy of mine had one and we let him use it but made him promise us not to get mad we copied it 6 times between us all..... he scooped.......
@@Sneuxfox - Your friend learned a valuable lesson that day, lol.
Of course... did he scoop the subgame, or the meta game? :P
Oh no.... and that game was also a shahrazad subgame. Dear God have mercy
Love the use of time stretch for the thumbnail on this one 😂😂😂
My god what a game. Especially impressive for not having a dedicated stax deck at the table. Tasigur control really goes the distance.
Tasigur always wins the value of late game.
I just realized that despite the game lasting 20+ turns, Zack only had a whopping 5 lands in play
at one point he had 6, but he sacrificed one to bounce a creature
24 treasures for mike too
There's something very surreal about seeing Thassa's Oracle used for value.
It's genuinely not quite as uncommon as you'd think
It’s usually used as a game ending combo with consultation or self mill
@@badvoodoo2097 thats why it was a surprise to see it played "normally"
I've used it a few times as a body to draw cards via Tymna before. Also to be a blocker for an opponent's Tymna as well.
@@badvoodoo2097 🥱 never heard of it being used that way. Everyone uses it to scry obviously.
Impressive how you edited 6 hours down to ~35 minutes. Almost as impressive as playing a single game of cedh for 6 hours! thanks for this amazing match, love to see it.
The number of times I heard "Nezahal triggers, and Mike creates a treasure" I almost forgot what that card does.
I thought it was fairly straight forward. Whenever an opponent casts a noncreature spell, mike creates a treasure. It's printed on the card.
Seriously though you should make that the alter after that game.
it makes treasures. but only for mike
As someone who doesn't play cEDH, this game's weirdness, especially in the midgame, really shows some of the weird quirks of cEDH. We have decks that all have interaction, but are all locked out of their plan, leaving everyone mostly staring at each other. Poor Ryan sitting there with all the permanents in the world and nothing to do with them is a prime example.
Really entertaining game!
The game went so long at a point I forgot why Mike was making treasures.
Hullbreacher and Opposition Agent warping the game around themselves harder then P. Titan in casual games.
P titan?
@@youtuber4545 Primeval Titan, infamously banned with the explanation "it warps games to much around it. It turns the game into playing around or controlling it" yeah
@@DerpyLaron the rc are incompetent, just old men banning cards on feels
@@astrielmaahes1116 salty much?
@@MadThespian If you aren't a little salty about at least 1 of those 2 cards, you might be bad at cEDH, since tutoring and drawing combined are the two most important things to be doing other than straight up winning. Not being able to draw extra cards turns the game into a slog for most decks, and not being able to tutor leaves most decks with no choice but to draw into win cons, which are usually a pair of cards, meaning the odds of drawing both are painful unless you draw lots. Get both out and the game is a nightmare for most decks. This ignores instances where you turn either of the cards into a combo, IE wheel with Hullbreacher or force searching with Opposition Agent, and people love to wheel. Still, is it the nastiest stax you can run? I doubt it, even Rule of Law can be as hostile or more hostile, making it technically impossible for many decks to win.
Regarding Prime Time, are you serious? Literally every green deck regardless of skill level should play Prime Time (if it was legal), Opposition Agent and Hullbreacher are both largely dead cards at lower levels of play, where people rely on top decking big creatures/spells, and a lot of people actually like playing that way even if they 'know better', because it can be fun. Prime Time shits on those games, and it would also be among the best things you can do in cEDH that isn't winning the game on the spot (not saying you can't win the game off of 2 lands, just saying even if you don't, 2 non-basic lands *every turn* for free is bonkers). Stax isn't fun, but idiot proof value engines are even less fun I'd argue. That said, if you don't agree, Rule 0 it and play whatever cards you want. I'd love to have Opposition Agent banned because it hurts my Zur deck so much, but because it shouldn't be, I instead just keep trying to sneak in more removal to deal with the Agent (and Hullbreacher, because wheels where you get no cards aren't fun). I even run Opposition Agent in my Zur deck, because it can take over games, in part because I know what it can do to my own deck. Would more removal solve Prime Time? Maybe in cEDH, but not in casual, where the other two aren't an issue.
That's the saddest Nezahal I've ever seen in my life!
Thank you editors for this masterpiece
Playing with power MTG:
"we played a 6 hour long name"
Me, a casual player:
"You gotta pump those numbers up. Those are rookie numbers."
Obviously they've never played 6 player commander before, or they'd be way used to this.
@@madeofmandrake1748 Eight players + Planechase, You'll never want to play magic ever again.
@@Cybershroom Oh goody! Only if I get to bring my group hug deck featuring knowledge pool and Warp World!
@@madeofmandrake1748 Don't forget Hivemind, Possibility Storm and Shared Fate for everyone to lose their marbles
Played a I think 7-8 player commander game. I played a super casual gimmick Kenerith deck where I gave people favors if they killed any non-humans/non-knights I summoned or that opponents summoned. Add on the fact that everyone at the table respected this interesting take at commander and the game went for a pretty long time.
5 minutes in and someone casts Squee from hand, that’s how you know it’s gonna be a unique game.
The stack that starts at @21:30 is the kind of magic I live for! Love it!!
This was one hell of a game and I loved every minute. Really cool to see just how much value Tasigur brought, I'm highly interested in learning more about the deck!
God, that game was intense. Folger lasted a lot, deathrite Shaman is really good
A turn 21 competitive game? That’s impossible! That’s like, 5 competitive games all at once!
Best game I've seen yet on yt! Just outstanding! Well played by everyone at the table! Ty for such an awesome game and deciding to share it with us! You guys are the best!
Great job everybody managing board states and complex stacks. This could have been super messy. You all played extremely well.
Every now and then I forget they're all recording their tables in different areas, so one'll reach to draw or something, fingers get cut off cause of the frame and I'm sitting their confused and concerned until my brain cell decides to work again!
Wow, can't believe you had the exact challenge for the longest game, what a coincidence!
The card flop from Zack in the end illustrates the frustration in this game 🤣
I didn't check the length of video before watching. I was not prepared!
I love these longer games. Thanks for the effort!
What a grind! I’m surprised that the table thought Folger was the threat when Ryan had all the hate pieces on board. I guess all the Tasigur activations meant that Folger was getting gas the whole time....
I'm surprised the table saw him as a threat (besides Ryan who was dead to Shaman). Especially as he was so close to milling himself
This is why the dragon shield sleeves I use for my Tasigur deck are petrol. The deck is just gas. and yes, I bought the sleeves solely so I can make that joke every time I play it.
Folger has a reputation at this table for how long they've played with him and their usual game plan is to hate Folger off the table as fast as possible. Folger usually winds up as the archenemy even if other players have arguably more threatening board states.
@@charlesmaillho367 I can relate to that. This always happens to me when i play with my friends.
In this game i think they killed him there, because Ryan had Drannith Magistrate. And the "secret" Card Folger took with Praetors Grasp might have been Thassas Oracle. Folger had a lot of Counterspells in hand and possibly a Consultation or tainted pact. Folger could kill Ryan and afterwards he'd be free to carry out his plan.
This game just shows that with these widely played creature threats in the form of Hullbreacher, Opposition agent to be expected each and every game the number of hard removal spells needs to be upped. Looking at the decks the First Sliver had a mere 3 Spells that can outright kill a troublesome creature (counting Gilded Drake), Tasigur 4, Najeela 5 and Tymna/Thrasios 2. Since you nowadays have to expect at least 2-3 players running 3+ colors on every table odds are that there are much more of these troublesome creatures to be had.
I am wondering if something like Kolaghan's Command could be playable. Kills both Hullbreacher and Opposition Agent and also can return yours or destroy an artifact (even your own crypt if needed).
I’m so glad y’all put this out. That was an amazing game. Thank you.
The most impressive game I've seen lately. And I usually have up to a 3 hour optimized pod at my lgs
I love longer played games, I get to see more cool combos and answers!
Cascades of tears from poor Zack
That was a freaking amazing game guys. Not sure about everyone else but I love seeing games like this. It shows that cEDH isn't just a turn 5 Max and I win game.
By far one of my favorite episodes
40 mins of PwP? Beautiful
Saw the time of the game and was like "woa." Then saw the title. Then saw Tasigur. #kronkitsallcomingtogether
Wow! That took forever. Congratulations.
What a great video - and uploaded on my special day no less! Thanks for all of your awesome content and efforts during this period of time, I watch them every day to make the Covid go away :)
Love Mike’s playmat
That was incredible. I was like yeah sweet thats game at about 15 minutes in and saw 30 minutes of video left 😂😂
Every tasigur build ive seen play has shown how much value you get from him. Najeela too
This game was unbelievable. What I would have done is probably flipped the table and then rocked back and forth in the corner, crying into my tea.
Great game everyone and well played!
Mike deserves it with that clutch af Hullbreacher
So worth the watch and the value plays with luck made the win a long game.
I fell asleep, and when I woke up, this was STILL going.
"Magic is hard cut us some slack"
Truer words... :,)
Great game! Holy cow what a ride!
What a slug fest! Such a good game. Was disappointed that after all of that, it ended with a fish consult... Just didn't feel like it captured the spirit of that game. Still an awesome video ;)
"Damn son, where did you find this?" Gezzuzz guys, what a GG.
This game popped off immediately wow
What an amazing game!!! I want to create a Tasigur control for myself now.
Tasigur is my MVP for being able to generate card advantage around Hullbreacher, pity he lost, I was cheering for him to win
GG Najeela
Damn I can't believe I watched the whole thing. Awesome match!
A game that will go down in legend.
Great video as always!
4 control decks … what a pleasure to watch
I love the way mike played the game - he casts neo form into opposition agent to try to save Ryan. He knows his best avenue is to have one of the reactive decks (tasigur) lose first, keep Ryan in the game as hullbreacher weakens his card advantage engine and have them grind out the ad nauseam player’s win first then try to win himself.
When 4 decks with blue and black meets KEKW
This Game was by fair the best game ive ever seen. this is nuts. i thought my games i play at home with some buddies take 2 hours is long but 6 hours holy smokes that is awesome game of magic the gathering right there. love it you guys are amazing.
This game was insane... If I was Folger I would hold the Praetor's Grasp until Ryan was dead. Slow squeezing him out with Deathrite Shaman, then pulling the trigger. Playing Dark Confidant didn't help either but I 100% understood why he played it. Tasigur is amazing, that is all.
Gotta love that the game still somehow ends with a pact/consultation and thassa's oracle.
Can we kill these cards yet
and on top of that the game was only that long because of hullbreacher.. so bored of the rc having double standards about which cards to ban
@@Kreyaloril hullbreacher was banned as it gave blue access to a form of both stax and mana ramp, the mana part being the broken part.
This isn't your normal everyday cEDH; this is advanced cEDH!
Man, those were some immaculate starting hands regarding mana. Teach me these secrets to drawing a perfect distribution of lands, lol.
Good deck building followed closely by good mulligan decisions.
Tasigur putting in work!
Folger playing Tasigur is the reason I'm playing Tasigur right now
best dark confidant/mana crypt luck ive ever seen. if i were in this game i would have had to split it up into two nights like a game of risk
Great game, specially considering there's not one heavy stax deck at the table. Awesome plays as usual :)
I think Tasigur was at least slightly more impactful that hullbreacher. Rebuying soooo much permission and removal to police the table with was the biggest factor in the slog I think.
Of course, Tasigur's buy back might not have been so instrumental if not for hullbreacher shutting down draws, so I can go either way on it.
This shows the power of Hullbreacher and Agent, they brick so many of the current top builds. I like them, they make for entertaining and less repetitive games.
Mike pulling out my favorite pet deck!!!
RG stax in this mix would be pretty hilarious.
I saw a 40 minute PWP video and knew there was going to be trouble
God that was amazing and god 6 hours?! And i thought my old games where I played a group hug deck in casual games which lasted for 4 hours was impressive
I feel like Zacks own forbidden Orchard just ruined so much of his pressure
22:40 why target the assassin's trophy and not the dispel? Or simply counter both!
To be honest, I prefer the +20 minute videos, so this is a special treat for me.
And that is why Hullbreacher is now banned in commander - because Mike took all the treasure already, leaving none for anyone else :P
Tasigur for the win baby!😁😅
After watching that game...Jeezus!
At 31:47, if Ryan was aware that he would easily die to Folger's Deathrite Shaman, why didn't he cast the Gilded Drake he got off of Opposition Agent? I ask because this video is so long that I don't know if I missed some stax piece, or a record of what cards Folger reclaimed from Tasigur thus far, or maybe it was because this was likely 5 hours into a 6 hour game and also that Ryan didn't physically steal the Gilded Drake so the muscle memory didn't kick in, that he forgot about it?
Not looking at it right now, but wasn't there a Drannit Maggistrate in play, thus preventing it?
@@mikestephens267 indeed there was...
@@mikestephens267 Wait no! I looked again! The magistrate was his own and it's not a symmetrical effect!
@@Serouzo That is what I suspected, I didn't remember whose Magistrate it was. Good catch.
Such a grindy game! That was amazing, I don't know if my group could commit to a 6 hour game.
that was absolutely beautiful to see
I asked in one of your videos if you have "Don't feed the fish"-playmats available, but got told that they were limited time offer. Since I can't get over how much I want one I have to ask if you have any plans on getting more of 'em in the future? =) Found this channel too late.
Unfortunately, it was a one-time printing. Mike does have some vaporwave aesthetic designs in the works that might end up as playmats someday!
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG Sounds promising. Ty for the great content btw! You're my number 1 YT channel to follow atm. Big love from Finland 💝
Amazing game! I wonder if Hullbreacher's increasing popularity in CEDH will lead to people running more creature removal to deal with him?
it’s going to lead to every running mayhem devil aka hullbreacher’s nemesis
Aaaand it's banned
I never understood the power of Tasigur until I saw this...
Why didn't Zack Flusterstorm the Dispel instead of the Assasin's Trophy? 22:42
i loved the stats at the end! would be fun if you did it more often
We do the stats at the end of every game.
Hullbreacher just might get people to consider having some creature removal in the future!
Kind of telling that the 3 most oppressive stax pieces in the game were all printed within the past 12 months.
18:41 don't have counterspell. tasigur 3 times. fetch cs, use it before ad nauseum resolve. this is what yugioh player fear
22:13 high lv play. Veil mask Trophy but it is actually to protect Ad Nauseum
32:14 fate dillema. Folger got 2 creature, either 1 might kill himself or the other 1 might kill Ryan
37:20 so, Magic as Richard Garfield intended?
Be it 9 minutes or 6 hours. The game ends in the same way.
I thought Thassa's Oracle and Pact we're supposed to make games fast XD
My favorite game yet :)
If I hear "Smothering tides triggers and Ryan creates a treasure token." one more time I swear
Game was great stuff haha 😄
Such a good game. I was rooting for Folger tho.
Will you guys do a cEDH tech/breakdown of Blue Pod?
I've been wondering. Do you guys use actual cards, proxies, or both?
Both
Wow! amazing!
Ryan passed many tutors and hullbreacher. He had the opposition agent so he could still tutor.
So what I'm gathering is that next week is Godo week?