New School vs Old School- Li Auto L9 vs BMW X7
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- Опубліковано 14 чер 2024
- Li Auto insists that their range-extended EV was bench marked against the BMW X7, but can this Chinese brand really take on the German behemoth?
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I just purchased a Li L8, a smaller version of L9. Upgraded from Lexus es300h. A totally revolutionary upgrade. The guy in Lexus dealership asked me in which way does the L8 better than Lexus. I was dumbfounded. L8 is better than Lexus in every single way! I mean the L8 I bought doesn't have air suspension which is a plus for driving dynamics. So it doesn't have any weaknesses in my point of view. My wife and mom are happy in the second row. My kids are happy in the third row. For a price tag of a little more than 50,000 dollars, I can't find any faults in L8!
I hate to say this but I much prefer the styling of the L9 to the X7 which looks like an old fashioned boat in comparison.
I still think that the depth of engineering may still be German at the moment but that gap is closing very rapidly. That island in the sky that used to be all German is looking decidedly shaky nowadays as the Chinese seem to be offering 90% of the package of the Germans for a great deal less money. Time will tell obviously but I will be watching very closely
Just got my Li L9 before the mid-autumn festival, and finished a 1,200km trip to GuiLin. Super happy with the comfortness and excellent NVH.
Why are you standing in front of a US flag in your picture? 🤣
@@CrunchyButtBurger maybe because he's american living in China, just like Ethan.
我定的L9 要等到11月才交货. 你咋交这么快。
@@xiaoyang9758 发布会当晚拼手速，9:20付的订金
@@brian.z6592 我都不知道这车 ， 我老婆看到的 买来替换家里劳苦功高的gl8。
The L9 has characteristics in my opinion of a mercedes GLB and a volvo xc90 but yet it's unique, you never guess it would be a chinese car if you saw it going down the road the 1st time
Great video. I would buy a Li L9 in a heartbeat if it was available in Europe.
In China, the L9 costs about $64,000, while the BMW X7 costs $140,000-$239,000 (even if you spend $239,000, you still need to pay extra for options to have comfort features like second-row massage)
Chinese car very much features and less expensive
Yep, but not in Europe, Compare it after 5 year of use, BMW will bee much higher value and more desirable.
@@marinvlahovic2950 Maybe. Maybe not. Market is in favor of chinese more and more every day
@@Kbax3614 lol 😂😂😂
@@marinvlahovic2950 Probably yes, but less related to German vs. Chinese, more as Petrol vs. Electric and how they keep value. If we remove purple (green) eyeglasses, 40 kWh battery will significantly rip value of that car in 8+ years
The L9 looks incredible!
Even at 67k vs 75k, the L9 for me all the way. It is a tech galore vs the x7, which looks like it needs to be placed into a museum. The interior of the L9 is breathtakingly amazing.
L9 demolish x7 on every category that matter for a family SUV. (if you want driving experience, get a M3 - don't boter with x7)
@@morganangel340 sure family SUV should take care of passenger, when you whole family seat in one car Intense driving is really dangerous. i order L9 , but if i need Driving pleasure i can take my wife's TT RS to do it .
@@xiaoyang9758 富哥v我50
yeah except one will last a few years and everything will fall apart and break and the other will last 30+ years
@@ballbag lol... you really live in the past. Chinese cars are not what they use to, and neiher the german cars... if you know what I mean. 😄😄
I worked for bmw for many years, not gonna lie Germans need to significantly up the game if they wish to maintain that “German quality” and luxury etc etc
I think the high inflation and energy price in Europe won't help the situation of German car industry. They will soon cut back R&D in AI, Big Data, Digitalization, etc.
@@oceanwave4502 correct, even Tesla Y will begin to use BYD batteries. And to think Elon laughed at the company some years back
@@Maige2900 BYD made crappy cars in the past. I'm sure they've also learned a lot from Tesla.
@@KyleHubb
But Tesla is the one dependent on BYD. Now whose laughing
@@KyleHubb and from Mercedes partner 😉 who is the smartest in this game 🎯
Even if the L9 had the 75k price tag and x7 was 67k, I'd still pick the L9...coz being realistic how many of us drive on racetracks every day....L9 is practical and sophisticated
Good job Wheelsboy!💪 The L9 is amazing, can't find any fault with it.🤩 The exterior is so good for my taste, a huge SUV that looks lowered with huge wheels. The drivetrain is also brilliant which is basically an EV but has a small range extender ICE for longer trips or towing. This beats recent Ford announcement they don't have plans for huge EVs like Super Duty or F series which I criticized by making them EVs with a range extender
yeah except one will last a few years and everything will fall apart and break and the other will last 30+ years
@@ballbag Ok buddy, got any actual evidence for your claims or what?
@@kristoffer3000 It's really obvious by the usernames and way the comments are written.
@@ballbag uh...sure, whatever that means lol
I would wait for the next gen L9. Never by the 1st generation.
I am not against BMW in anyway, but for me even at the same price (that will mean x7 to lower it's price tho... hahaha..) I will pick L9 ... because the updateability (s/w) and the uniqueness of it.
those gesture controls are so mind blowing
gestures control is not required just using voice will do
Excellent review, you made those hand gestures look so smooth and easy to use! Really slick, the Chinese alternative seems to have way more tech than its rival albeit at the cost of driving dynamics, which is probably more useful for the average buyer. Also love the highways you guys shoot on that are lined with trees. As much as I love the x7 I feel like the l9 is the obvious choice here unless you’re really focused on dynamics or badge. Although I do feel like the x7 will maybe age better since it’s already a dinosaur and isn’t so tech focused. Good stuff.
yeah except one will last a few years and everything will fall apart and break and the other will last 30+ years
@@ballbag Says a guy never had Chinese cars
@@birdyashiro1226 Probably because there's no chinese car in existence that anyone wanted to own that's more than 5 years old.
@@derbigpr500 Not the TTC^
This is such an underrated channel! I want to give superthanks but there's no button.
Amazing review, I would totally purchase one if they were available in the US. Excellent design, and decent quality on features.
Yeah a largish 3 row luxury SUV that has the smooth driving characteristics of an EV, and enough all electric range to meet 95% (if not 99%) of daily driving needs, but also can be used like a regular gas car on extended roadtrips would KILL IT with sales in the US. Especially the L8, which has almost all the features of the L9 but is significantly less expensive.
chinese cars are banned in the us
More more more comparisons please… great video must have taken some time to do and edit! Keep up the great work
Thanks! It was definitely a lot of work, appreciate the acknowledgement!
BMW is like Old Wine, Expensive and Tasty but Old and Dated . i would prefer that Chinese one if it comes with Brown Leather. I love the Tech , That is Balling Next Level 🔥🔥🔥
Li one，with brown leather，i love it！
I had never heard of the Li Auto L9, but that thing looks very well designed and put together. Very well thought out features, and well appointed even in stock form. Very worthy competitor to the high line SUVs for sure! Great work on the video too!
Hi Ethan, here in Italy the X7 starts at 104k euros. So if both were available, I would definitely go for the Li9. Ps. Can we expect a full Zeekr 001 review? Looks like a really nice car. I saw a lot of videos about this car, but I would prefer to know what you think about it.
You forget import taxes Chinese cars would get.
Wth it’s almost $30k cheaper in the USA
Even better, it starts at 145,000 USD here in China, our test car was 165,000 USD as equipped. Import taxes are a pain.
@@Carfan678 well, we have some serious taxes and in the last month, the euro value is collapsing and now is the same of us dollar. Even the iPhone is 200 euros more expensive than before.
@@Wheelsboy they really are, here are 22% on a product, plus other fees. Insane. But you not answering to my second question 😂. Will be the zeekr 001 in the channel soon?
Great review and I'm blown away by Chinese tech and innovation when compared to the Germans.
Considering the L9's dash looks like a knock off Tesla Model Y with its screen elongated its hard to even combine "chinese" and "innovation" in one sentence.
@@minecraftzocker272 Don't hurt the player, hate the game 😉
@@TrueLeadership777 that's barely an answer, a bad one as well. You can't claim inventiveness when the only invention is your own lies.
@@minecraftzocker272 Yeah good luck with that 🤣
@@TrueLeadership777 with what? Are you even u n d e r s t a n d i n g what I wrote?
L9 colour is a killer
Can't wait for this to come to the UK
Truss will make sure it will not land in UK until the end of the time. 😁
@@miguellines5907 this aged well...hehe
that was an excellent video, fun to watch and very informative, i didn't felt like it took 18 minutes, i enjoyed it very much. thank you for this review
You have really amazing videos and presentation style. Keep it up! 👍
It's a bit apple and oranges comparison.
But the drive train on the L9 is impressive, and the water fording feature was a great surprise. I'm not that big of fan of driving dynamics in a suv. But if there prices of these were close.
I would give BMW the edge.
But the L9 has a few good arguments on why some may rather aquire it.
Damn... I wish Li Auto have right hand drive version so I can get one in Hong Kong!
great review, will take an expert eye to spot the different between Li Auto v XPeng G9
Li is the Game Changer. I have Li stock and keeping them for life.
Very clear to see the difference in old and new design. The L9 would look even better if they can somehow design the roof to not include the cameras that stick out
that's lidar
you can choose the no
Lidar version wihich is 10% cheaper
Great review! Would love to get the L9 especially at that price! I would love a full BEV instead of a hybrid.
L9 is techinically an EV with range extender, not technically a hybrid. REEV>BEV, best of both worlds
@@kpokfposkf Maintenance will be more expensive with a vehicle that has two drivetrains. I definitely like the L9, but I’m pretty sure Li Auto will eventually make a BEV model of it.
@@waynelewis9110 believe so, with higher price of course. I ordered an L9 with delivery date in Dec.
I'd take the L9 ... and buy a sports car .. for the same price 😄
this is the way. L9 + Toyota BRZ or nissan Z.
@@randomname931 nice choice
Chinese auto manufacturers has certainly come a long way. Being an ex-MB GL500 owner, I was contemplating between the Li One last year but ended up with the Nio ES8 for the battery swapping feature and interior build. I love these new EV and its chock full of gadgets and bang for your bucks. Really puts the Germans cars to shame.
I'm really into L9 is it possible to make in-depth review like Battery consumption , charging speed, software tutorial kinda stuff?
22-23, 70Kw, OTA based on consumer's feedback frequantly
Another awesome review buddy !
Maybe I missed it. Tow rating on L9? Great review.
I would love the l9 to be sold in Canada !
national security?
@@morganangel340 How about Tesla?
Ask Justin's advice first before buying. I mean the Trudeau
canada is a poor country
@zhang大仙 你们怎么都能看懂英文😅
Your reviews and jokes are getting better and better :)
Agree
the L9 is perfect for traditional american families in 50s and 60s, it focus a lot on family entertainment rather than driver's feelings.
Li auto is a beautiful car
I absolutely love the Li
Good video, but why you did not make underwater and offroad test for BMW model?)
Maybe BMW can't do it all?
The Chinese are on a different level, in just less than 30 years and this is where they are. Korea and Japan better watch out... Toyota has nothing to worry about though.
If I may request, please review the 2022/2023 Changan CS75 Plus. Thank you.
Very good video for one more time!!! Well done 👍
great job, next time get a noise measurement device to measure cabin noise
L9 is way ahead awsome car!! 👍👍
Keep up the good work .
Li Auto is so Zen in design. Bravo.
I like the exterior Li auto L9 design as the Xpang latest SUV i think the smooth styling is Nice the thing is the driving dinâmics that needed to BE upgraded
If I wanted the L9 shipped to another country, can the voice commands and infotainment display be switched to English without. And can they make an exception for me to use a sim car of any service provider?
Yes 💩
Dude showed me the most insane voice command controls and said those weren't that useful and they tie with BMW😮 DUDE, THOSE WERE THE MOST CONVENIENT COMMANDS IMAGINABLE!!!
you crawling through the L9 reminds me of that scene in It's Always Sunny when frank covers himself in vaseline in emerges from inside that leather couch
😂😂😂
Amazing review
Only issue I have with Chinese cars right now is that they're not being sold in Europe as much as I'd love them to. This L9 is a dream come true for me and I'd pick it over the X7 any day of the week. For now, I'll just wait out the Hong Qi eHS9 to show up in Sweden and get that unless this or the Xpeng G9 shows up.
The collective west is pro open market except when another country catches up to them.
Nio and Xpeng and BYD are coming
Great comparison. Now do L9 vs Merc GLS vs volvo XC90
Does L9 have an english version (command & info)?
can't wait this to enter the EU market, everyone will be dead surprised i bet
lol, it will not reach EU markets at all, as West is blocking such access as it knows it cant compete with china..China already won, period. now question is how long before EU collapses and US and THEN, only then will such cars enter our markets and obviously ppl will buy them as they posses a much better value for money than overpriced crap we are getting served from the likes of bmw to renaults etc..
Man!! I'm Jealous. There is no way that in United States will ever see this vehicle. I'm all in. Man it's a daggone shame that the US can't make a car like this.
@@adriancooper78 maybe it will enter Mexican market in the future and you can buy there second hand I guess
@@morganangel340 🤣🤣
Рынок ЕС не допустит появления конкурента на вашем рынке, так же как и рынок США. И Китай пока невосполнит собственный рынок не будет выходить за его пределы.
WOW, like this is amazing!!! Wonder if it going to ever make it to the US. All this amazing Chinese cars and no way to get them in the US.
From the perspective of the current sales scale, Chinese electric car brands are only in the initial stage. In the face of many car companies, European markets with higher quality requirements are not easy to accept and willing to pay for local consumers. This is a new force in China that needs to face and solve problems.
I think --you should wait 3~4 years 。 when Byd's success may be needed to embolden Chinese carmakers。
but now the global economy…………hard to say.
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I live in Germany and work with cars = can definitely say the German cars are old design and being in the past. We have the Lynk on our company and the Germans are getting really into it. It means if this other Chinese car companies can come to Germany they will have a hugeeeee chance ! Amazing and modern cars for a fair price !
75k? With all the options will go up to 90k. Li is really nice.
yup, that thing is a BEAST
wow. its clear the chinese ev makers will be global names in 10 years. they are leading, and growing their space between their competitors
Big smile on your face when you are inside Lil9..nice review dude👍BMW need x8 to beat the Li l9
Does the car infotainment and command system support English in China?
How can u get ths suv to the USA
That noise when you've bottomed out at 16:42 hurt my ears
OMG…that green! anyway…I vote L9 😊 or any NIO
The price difference between a US X7 and Chinese X7 is staggering...I've been in China for quite some years and obviously knew of how the Chinese auto consumers are getting screwed on pricing (sometimes even on locally manufactured foreign cars), but this is astonishing nonetheless if the price indicated in the video is true...
starting price is 1.000.000, so, yeah, its true
Teslas do sell for less than they do in the States (while the same MIC models go for much more in Europe than they do in China) though. I think it's because when it comes to EVs, the Chinese do have a competitive edge which hadn't been the case with ICE vehicles.
So the most curious would be how should the Germans price their EVs in the Chinese market today? The (MIC by BAIC the local partner, thus no import tax) EQE for example is facing what Mercedes had never experienced in China before - legitimate competitors like the NIO ET7.
X7 is relatively cheap in the US because it is built in the US. Importing it into China is what causes it to nearly double in price. Same reason very few Chinese made cars are imported into the US. It is no longer because of quality/safety issues, but taxes. The X5L is built in China, so it is a good deal cheaper, but still starts at around 90k USD though. So either way, BMW is gonna be in trouble in the coming years when Li is selling a fully loaded 3 row plug in extended range EV that can hit 60 in 5 seconds for 30% less than a entry trim 2 row X5 with a 4 banger under the hood. That BMW badge is worth quite a bit in China still (e.g. the I'd rather cry in the front seat of a BMW reality show contestant), but I guess some of the younger professionals don't care as much, and the L9 is just soooo much cheaper.
I am chinese and I just got my X7 arrived which I bought it about half a year ago.
To be exact, it caused me 1.41m RMB (190K USD).
it's very obvious, the import tax is pretty unbelivable in China.(from 50%+, higher the price higher the tax)
Telsa have a full on factory in Shanghai so the price is roughly the same as the US price, because they are all locally produced and don't need to pay additional import taxes.
Same as BMW/mercades/Audi, they all got few partilly seires/model produced in their Chinese factory.(normally low end one)
are quiet cheap as well
The gesture control for the back screen is kinda cool but I would feel dumb as hell doing it
if li auto L9 can keep good quality,i think it is the best car under 710000 USD as li ceo said，because it have Parking electric air conditioning and High power external discharge( it is wonderful for camping:you can use it for hotpot \barbecue\outdoor film,imagine you can sit in this car row 2 or row3,watching football live with cold beer or cola,using electric air conditioning without worrying about CO2 and oil fee
Ha .... You realise that you can't climb in the first row from the boot with your fanny pack.
great content. is there a reliable company where we can order L9 from China?
We can export it from China 🇨🇳.
The L9 is ahead of the x7 by a country mile. The notion that the bmw drives better becomes a tenuous one given how well we saw the L9 handle a wide variety of terrains, some of which not even attempted by the bmw. I struggle to picture how well the x7 would handle those inclines and moguls. In any case, the low COG of a large battery HEV should give me all the confidence in its driving dynamics.
"The L9 is ahead of the x7 by a country mile" Isn't in any way, literally. X7 is better off road, yes, don't doubt it, plenty of videos online to prove it. BMW is 20 years ahead in terms of engineering and driving. It will sit on 250 km/h all day long in perfect comfort and safety.
Most stressful video?! Cool result!
I wish L9 had an English interface and they sold it in the US.
the Infotainment system can be connected through WIFI?
no
Dude... Solid review but truly too many ads.
really like the filter of the videos
Bizarre enough that Li Auto hasn't been doing well in the past months due to product mismanagement and _stiff competition_ - from the Huawei-powered AITO. The AITO M7, despite being a bit generic looking, is formidable enough that Li Auto is actually losing market share in the large 6-seat SUV segment to them. So the BMW (among the Germans) has not only one, but two (and counting) local competitors in the Chinese market.
AITO M7 size much small then li L9 and BMW X7. there are different level ,third row of AITO M7 is gruelling . if AITO want compare with L9, X7 and GLS in full size SUV area ,launch M9 if AITO had plan on it .
other inferior of AITO is they can never sell to oversea market ,cos huawei under USA strict sanction. they got no chance out of china. that's why most of chinese automaker who sell they car out of china don't use huawei car OS,although it's nice one.
@@xiaoyang9758 Of course AITO can sell overseas, Huawei is still launching the Mate 50 series overseas and if AITO does well in China it will launch overseas since it's all Chinese tech and Chinese parts, there's nothing the US can do about it. The US can't ban Huawei's own OS worldwide lmao.
@@jzvr5842 sure so let AITO sell they car to oversea market with price over 50k USD , with this price and tariff other country except USA and EU , no one will pay that price with a chinese car. by the way huawei mate 50 is complete jork ,without 5G chip they sell s**t
@@jzvr5842
I actually have a Huawei laptop and am so glad I bought it
they can succeed at anything
Now that’s a real hybrid. Range is wow factor. This is why America auto makers fear Chinese vehicles…
I Love these Chinese cars 🙌🏼🔥❤️
Any safety rating for Li's products?
5 Stars.
Is the X7's engine the B58?
Does the BMW comes with indicators? Most don t have it, but I guess at that ammount of money, it must have it
It is easy to feature up a car which is what the Chinese did here. But to build a pleasurable car is something else. Also, this should have been compared to the BMW iX or iX M60 even. On another note, Chinese EV range at 160 kmh highway is miniscule.
This is the only youtube channel which open an eye onto those new Chinese EV. 👍
Wonderful!😍Li L9 of course.
Wheelsboy is a type of guy to bring two 3 row luxury SUVs to a racetrack😂
that high pitch "nothing" lol
9:09 This resumes everything 😂
If u work out autopilot that works in India.... Then world have to worry about AI....
What a amazing color of the car ...
As someone who drives a bmw sports car, I’m just glad that Li admits their car is not designed for driving but for family comfort. I just hate some car manufacturers make their SUV so big and still pretends to be some sort of performance car 😂😂😂
Really, the X7 feels like a fattened up sedan, which of course being a BMW still has its design centered around sporty sedans. The L9 looks to be utilitarian enough but has enough taste that makes it easy on the eyes compared to the Beamer. Would absolutely sell like hot cakes for upper middle class families in America.
L9更适合家庭
Why this instead of the GLS or RR?
Cause it's way better in every way and way cheaper.
The Chinese car auto makers need to go on a full blown worldwide marketing...
Eventually tech will overcome mechanics, I had an AMG for 3 years and in the end I drive it like a grocery car. L9 is like a private jet.
Oh and in China L9 is like 500k RMB and X7 is like 1mil…so X7=2L9 almost😂
thing is BMW is a legacy brand with almost 100 years of history , BYD is less than 10 years old and have already reached this high level of development...imagine the next 5, or 10 years?
This is not BYD,it's Li auto😅
this is another company
Wonderful!
I'm a Range Rover owner, but have to say, Li's car is easier to use in the city than the Range Rover