Well I think Marcia Lucas’ statement makes it official. The sequel trilogy sucks! Hope everyone is keeping safe and remember, “Liking” “Subscribing” or “Sharing” this video will bring 10% more happiness to your week! And hit the Bell! Because no-one seems to be getting notified. Cheers!
I literaly have convinced myself that the new triology is not canon, i live a happy life like this, its peacefull, i live in a world of bliss where legends is canon
I am also in this column, legends is canon before Disney threw it out making it legends now but if I think that the ST isn’t real then I can be fine with everything else. Ignorance is bliss
I love that a *well respected* woman *with ties to the original trilogy* finally said Rey was too powerful too quickly too easily. It's not sexist, it's factual.
In Luke first movie he managed to use the force despite having no training to outfight soldiers and military pilots and eyeball a shot that veteran pilots with advanced targeting computers couldn't make and became a war hero by blowing up the death star when he was a teenager. Oh but Rey's "too powerful" because she managed to not die at the ejd of her first movie 🙄
funny how that works! the movie series didn't actually need a continuation because _it already ended!_ the bad guys are dead and/or redeemed, the good guys have prevailed and there is hope in the galaxy once again. the only thing there could feasibly be a good sequel for is Luke's new Jedi order/Leia's leadership as the empire is destroyed and the republic reinstated. it's done. it's over. Star Wars didn't NEED a crappy re-do of the ot. we didn't need a new hope against an evil state looking for galactic domination. we didn't need to kick every character in the nuts and reverse their character development. why did the sequels even go in that direction?
@@seabirdflutter For extremist feminism propaganda. So much shit is only made these days for the purpose of racial or gender specific propaganda to uplift people who weren’t uplifted in the past. It works subliminally by just allowing the characters to exist in a normal way. But when you do it like the sequel trilogy and instead of simply having an good movie with a strong lead character that happens to be female, they instead go the route of making the movie being about women always being right and the smartest and strongest
@@markokoume9343 well yea Carrie fisher passing did hurt them even more but the worst thing they did is not have a story written for how to get from A to B. They built the story around the characters. Not the characters around the story
The only Star Wars film I've enjoyed since Revenge of the Sith was Rogue One. Rogue One captured the essence of Star Wars in a way the Sequels never did. EDIT: Jyn is also a FAR stronger female lead than Rey by a fucking continent's distance. Felicity Jones absolutely SLAYED in that role.
@@Alex_Penjamin Okay, maybe "slayed" was overstating a bit, probably because any Star Wars movie being remotely good these days makes it seem perfect, purely in comparison to the Sequels.
This is like someone adapting Shakespeare so badly that he physically gets out of his grave and tells them it’s was garbage and then everyone says he doesn’t know what he’s talking about lol
Lol I mean she learned that from Lucas, not defending her. But watch the behind the scenes for the prequels and he pretty frankly states "the editor didnt like I was ask of them so I fired them." Shes a dumb bimbo no doubt but firing over differences is nothing really new.
The number of people kathleen kennedy fired from Star Wars is a testament to disney's insulting treatment of the franchise and the integrity and reverence of the creatives in the industry who refused to work toward destroying this beloved IP. Well done to them for sacrificing their paychecks and backing Lucas.
@@denkerbosu3551 TBF I've never really got why The Last Jedi in particular gets all the hate, but then again I've also never really got why Phantom Menace gets all the hate - Because I'd put those two movies ahead of AotC, RotS, TFA, RoS and Solo even if neither are anywhere near as good as Rogue Squadron NEVER MIND The OT! Look at Kingdom of the Crystal Skull - It's an OK movie, it's not awful at all YET it gets absolutely slaughtered! Because people were expecting sheer brilliance and got their hopes too high. Phantom Menace is in exactly the same boat.... It got slaughtered by people who had their expectations way way too high and Lucas overcompensated and brought out the abominable AotC to "please" the fans! RotS was pure and simple fanservice NOT a good film! I went into TLJ having despised TFA knowing that TLJ was not and could never be Star Wars because TFA had destroyed Star Wars - So I treated TLJ as just a generic Space Opera....And though it's still not great, take out the Star Wars expectations and it's fine. RoS however is just a complete and utter MESS!
One of my biggest issues with Johnson, abrams and Kennedy is that they can't admit any fault with their work. Even if I loved a film I made, I would always be thinking it could've been better, no?
Yes!! Phenomenal point. It was just yesterday that I was watching the different videos that document Sylvester Stallone's re-working of Rocky IV. And I made the point that there is something refreshing when you listen to Stallone as he admits that he made some mistakes with the original R IV. He isn't so egotistical and prideful that he can't stand to defend the issues that have bothered him over the years. He admits his shortcomings regarding the film, and instead of feeling sorry for himself or pointing his finger at others, he owns his responsibility, learns from it, and uses it as motivation to make R IV better, and, as Stallone has said himself, the pandemic gave him the free time to work on Rocky IV: Rocky vs. Drago (that will have a special one night release on November 11). Kathleen Kennedy and friends could learn a lesson here, admit that mistakes were made while making the sequel trilogy, and then try and do something about it...i.e. try to make the films better (although I'm not really sure how they'd accomplish that). However, I'm sure that Hell would have to freeze over, thaw out, freeze over again (giving a snowball a chance in Hell), resulting in the death of the flying pigs that flew out of Satan's ass, all while people celebrated during the holiday called the first of never. Maybe I should have saved some time and just simply used the last word of the previous sentence to convey my point.
See once you make it to Hollywood your ego overtakes your personality and you lose your soul otherwise toy wouldn't be able to work with rich super elitists
Yeah, I mean Leia is beloved by star wars fans world wide for being a brave, fearless leader of the rebellion. She even gave Darth frickin Vader the middle finger by telling him of like a child and kicked some major ass both as a competent leader and on the front line. And despite that, those retards still call the OT fans mysogynists. And if all fails, they allways bring up the slave outfit. I mean, did anyone of those idiots even watch the OT? Leia was put into that outfit by Jabba. It was a design choice that ultimately served in showing Jabbas utter lack of respect for others beings and especially slaves. It was never depicted as something positive and only served in making people hate Jabba for what he did to our beloved rebel hero. Which made the satisfaction of her killing him even better. THAT is how you write a strong female character. Rey sKyWaLkEr is not. And don't get me started on Holdo....
There's this false belief some women have that says "Women aren't valuable or valued.". So instead of looking within, they try to fix the external world to compensate. Sometimes by taking over the spaces that men typically occupy. Being in those spaces is fine if its authentic and natural. But I think often times its coming from the wounding and false beliefs, which leads to mis-creations.
@@tyvamakes5226 I feel like thats incredibly assumptuous and complex to actually break down and apply to this... I like to think Jesus was pretty non aggressive and like an original Ghandi of sorts. But agreed.
It's not even killing off Luke, Han, and Lea that was the issue, it is _how_ they killed them off. Han basically walks straight into his death, and the other two essentially die by getting too tired. Their deaths don't really accomplish anything either. It doesn't help that the new cast of charicters isn't very good. Finn is the one that really had potential, but then they didn't use it. Rey felt like a video game charicter: a mostly blank slate for the player to insert theirself into.
Leia I get because Carrie Fisher passed so anything other than what they did would be impossible to pull off without the creepy CGI uncanny face, but I see your point about the other two even I personally didn’t mind how Han or Luke died. Han went in to try and get his son back, which I found really powerful even if it didn’t work (until later). Luke was always going to be controversial because there was no way they could please people in a way where he goes in thematically great way and one where we get badass OP Luke from legends. It’s the same thing that people experienced when the prequels came out. People for years saw Darth Vader as this mysterious figure who probably had a super badass backstory, then when the prequels actually came out there was absolutely no possible way the movie could satisfy what people built Vader’s past to be. So I’m not really mad that Luke was a hermit, it was better to set the bar low than try to actually live up to the hype (look what happen with Mary Poppins Leia). It gives the film more longevity because when all this hate and anger cools down over the years (like it did with the prequels) people will begrudgingly realize that there was no way to live up to what he was built up as over the years, even if the execution was meh.
@@cantthinkofaname5046 There was no huge problems in base elements of Vaders origin story itself, it was the general execution, bad dialogue etc. that affected prequels as a whole. Those movies were not totally stupid or ruined, just mostly disappointing because they had more potential and quite interesting world. Lucas seemed more interested about green screen and CGI than refining character and story elements which in the end are the most interesting elements of those stories, instead of latest visual candy which looked dated not long after those movies came out. Seeing Yoda twirling from wall to wall like a slinky in washing machine is really not that interesting in the end, most long action scenes were just boring. E.g. Marcia Lucas really seems to have better grasp of that side of storytelling and what is actually important and compelling to the audience. The actual badass phase of Vader started at that point when prequels ended so they could hardly even ruin that. Luke on the other hand e.g. would have been somewhat easy to safe just by making him end himself in blaze of glory instead of being too tired of that astral projection. (Not that it made sense to him to go and live as a hermit while leaving map of his location behind in the first place.) There were several easy ways to end the stories of those old timers but all were wasted. Problem in Disney's version in many parts seemed to be internal politics and indifference towards the story while they have big wallet to pull all kinds of tricks if needed. They did not try to tell compelling story but directors mostly ticked boxes in sheet created by committee. They planned a trilogy but clearly did not even have general story arch in mind and locked down in advance, but e.g. Johnson could just go and create his solo movie in middle of trilogy. But at least JJ Abrams had his famous mystery boxes, how that worked out for Lost? xD First movie was rehash of New Hope so there was no originality, and they clearly had agenda to push down any old characters no matter how popular they were (e.g. R2D2) because Disney did not get full royalties from those.
one of the things that hurts me the most about the sequels is how much it devalues the previous movies and devalues every story told past the OT in Legends
@bastiat that's a lot of bloody stereotyping right there. I can tell a clear difference between Athrun Zala and Vegeta. Just like there's a clear difference between Starkiller and Kyle Katarn. Enjoy your shitty Disney Canon, I'll stick with the real Star Wars thanks.
I wish I didn't hate Kennedy so much. It's honestly not a fun feeling to be so blown away by such horrible production choices. I'd take a semi-decent trilogy to being completely right and justified in my harsh, harsh criticism of this garbage trilogy.
That's how I feel about the prequels. Yeah there's some odd story telling choices and cringe stuff but it still feels like Star wars. Though I could say the same about the Original trilogy too but I love it.
@@desmondrhea6942 They weren't perfect, but they had soul. Unlike the Disney Trilogy. The Disney Trilogy felt more like a spoof that wasn't funny. All the Lucas Films felt like there was even more going on that you weren't seeing, he implies a greater university. Disney Wars it didn't even seem like the characters thought the stakes were real most of the time.
@Bingo Duff What are you on about? The OT was made in the mid to late 70’s and I’ve never heard George say that the rebels were like Jihadists and the Empire being like America. George mentioned that the Empire was made to show parallels to Nazis. If you’re referring to the rebels being like the Afghan rebels fighting against the USSR, that happened several years after he made the OT so that doesn’t make sense. Plus even if that was the case, that in turn wouldn’t make George a leftist at all as he based the enemy off of a leftist regime (the USSR). If you knew your basic history and facts, you’d know that most if not all leftist beliefs and policies are the exact same as the USSR and Nazi’s.
Rogue One deserves some love though. It's important to clarify that I'd rather have a cohesive story than new movies. So if you ask me, I rather have 6 movies only and no rogue one or sequels. (Yes I know Lucas contradicted himself, proof of that was the Clone Wars making a huge lore mistake)
The fact that you can almost take down an entire franchise established and cherished for over 30y in just 3 movies that have a timeline span of 2y in a story that’s like 2000 years long is just unbelievable .
If I could make the next SW film I would show the sequels were just a shitty movie Jar Jar had made and was showing to his friends who all laughed at it.
The Star Wars games they had set up before it was sold to Disney looked amazing. A Darth Maul games, another Jedi Knight game with Kyle Katarn, another Battlefront among others. All Disney did was release angry birds and a poor Battlefront game that only cared about microtransactions.
The 10th movie needs to start with Luke waking up from a bad dream (which is the sequels) and realizes the future he must prevent. The future where he loses his old friends and his own life.
Yep. I really hope that if they move forward with the movies, they retcon this awful trilogy. Or maybe they could use the mandalorian to change the canon or something. Those 3 movies are a total mess and there's no way you can make something good out of that story as it is and as it ended.
@@bliots8369 lol absolutely not true. There will 100% be more main movies because Disney likes their money. I just think they are trying to wait a little bit to let the sequels hate die down so people will get excited at episode 10 or whatever else they have planned. And hey I would be excited if they showed signs of actually being good.
I deadass had the though that if I ever had the money in this world to buy out Star Wars from Disney just for the hell of it I would make a new “true” sequel trilogy starting like that
I wonder if he was so backed up he actually made a deal and gave her something she's wanted so she'd speak up. Given his issues depicting people's interactions I'm not sure he'd think of it but she could've easily known as much and made the offer to him. Truth be told I've been expecting them to bring him back to head Lucasfilm at least as a major show of faith to the fans but GL's greatest strength is not organizational and he'd much rather have some creative role going forward. On the other hand we've got the *Perfect* antidote to KK and her toxic fake activism in the former Mrs Lucas...who _does_ get people and _is_ very good at the Big Picture stuff (no pun intended.) It's my hope they hire _her_ on to clean house at Lucasfilm and bring George back in a more than figure head role (if ironically technically working for a woman he's rightfully scared of, and can keep him from making another Jar-Jar...)
George owes us an apology for selling star wars off instead of finishing the story. He knew this would happen and it's his revenge to all those fans that criticized him for everything from changing parts of the OT to the prequels and Jar Jar.
@@BoleDaPoleidk man, movies are a lot of work, and if you put like 10 years of your heart and soul into those prequel trilogies and a bunch of fans just dank meme you or go "eh its alright," you'd be kinda done. Plus, Disney originally said they were going to base it off his script and ideas for the new movies, and after they bought Lucasfilm, Disney just kinda gave him the finger and ran with whatever they wanted.
George owes us an apology for not allowing the Originals to be remastered and rereleased. Instead, we are stuck with the steaming turns that are the Special Editions.
George owes us an apology for Jar Jar, the little kid, Hayden, the overall terrible dialogue of the Prequels and most of all: all of the idiotic changes to the original trilogy.
@@HabitualJoker get Harmy's Despecialized Editions of the original trilogy.. they are fan edits (I know, but stick with me) that are amazing, HD, beautifully done and true to the theatrical releases, no bullshit added or changed. They're the only versions I watch
"Would you change anything in your script or do you stand by all your choices?" "Nope, stand by every choice" Just that tells me everything I need to know. A real artist is always their own biggest critic because if you look back at your own work and see no room for improvement, you won't improve.
You're exactly right. I'm an author and there's a plague of "writers" who won't even listen to their editors when it comes to basic stuff like correcting typos.
@@i-deni-i5138 you mean the last jedi? Yeah imma say this, I'm no critic, I enjoy just about every movie (even the shit ones) but my God TLJ wad criticized for being so bad by multiple UA-camrs whos entire job is to criticize movies if they're good or bad, and gave explicit details on why, you can like the movie, but think twice
Im an artist, I work in MANY different mediums. Ive NEVER EVER EVER NEVER EVER made something, considered it 'finished' and thought "yea, theres NOTHING I could have done to improve it". Infact, I usually keep trying to improve it until it is forcibly taken from me for a deadline. And when that happens I feel regret for not getting everything I envisioned executed perfectly. The fact that Rian thinks he made an objectively perfect film should be a sign to any creative person how little he cared or tried.
The thing I will never forgive them for is that they had a chance to have JUST ONE SCENE with the entire original cast and they blew it. Honest to God, wtf were they thinking.
That they were almost dead, a bad investment, and didnt realise that star wars is a nostalgia machine. They wanted to replace them with young fresh stars that could make them billions. It boils down to money, not passion for film making
I'll never forgive them that they had a chance to make a sequel trilogy WITH THE ORIGINAL CAST and they blew it. Now there will never be another Star Wars movie with the original main cast.
@@4Leka I agree that a sequel trilogy would be amazing with the original cast(Because it wouldn't really be a sequel without them) but at the same time I do think that we need new characters to come in and be the highlights of the movies. However, NOTHING like what we got because that was garbage.
@@rowdeemunkee Yeah, it's silly that they didn't even see the opportunity to have the old cast act as mentor figures for the new cast or something, before killing them off in a "passing of the torch" kind of moment. Like how Ben trained Luke before he was killed, Luke could've trained Rey before he was killed off, etc.
I love how there’s a whole 5-10 minute scene in a new hope showing Luke learning the basics of the force with obi-wan and half a film showing him train with yoda yet the sequels fans just didn’t watch that I guess On the other hand Rey uses the force without knowing what the force is and is better than every force user in history because “she’s a powerful woman”
@@mattmurphy7030 that is nothing near to what rey did lol, did you even listen to yourself? Luke barely used something he knew very little about (whilst still having a bit if training) to aid that missiles path. Rey had 0 training if I remember correctly and managed to influence all of those rocks with relative ease. Completely different.
@@mattmurphy7030 if anything, that example of yoda that you pulled is more directly comparable to what rey did. She should have needed to have similar levels of training and skill in the force to yoda to pull off what she did, but she didn't. As I already said, all luke did was alter the course of an already moving missile, which is realistically a LOT easier. You can't say he is as overpowered, especially since he is the son of the most powerful man in the galaxy.
@@zaneturner5277 Not to mention that Yoda itself struggles to lift and move big heavy objects, we see all the time he does that, it did not come without a cost, in mandalorian too, "baby yoda" just pass out every time he does it, and he been trained for a while before going underground. These sequels really dont make sense
@@zaneturner5277 Even not that. He actually just used force to get premonition when to pull the trigger instead of computer calculated trajectory. He even didn't guide it or anything. Just used the skill to know when to press fire button.
@@presleybaldwin3756 I agree putting M. Lucas would of been a more appropriate title to avoid the click bait, still enjoyed the content a fine addition to my collection Of videos dunking on the Disney dumpster fire
Sometimes, I wish Kathleen Kennedy would just come out and say, "I did it for a truck ton of money. I didn't care about the story. I just wanted the cash." Because I can't believe that she feels like these choices were actually good. But if her defense was, "I was getting enough money to build my own laser sword thing and enough money to test it on any planet I wanted to.", at least I would understand her motivation.
The one thing we must understand about us humans is that only the truly wise know where they are limited. The vast majority honestly believes its own judgement in any area, to be as good as anyone else's. In short: Intellectually limited people don't know they are limited.
That would never happen because she is a hardcore feminist and did what she did for those beliefs as much as for money. I'd be prepared to bet that she'd stand by the films because they were written with so many women's input irrespective of their success because 'even women failing in Hollywood is an improvement on them not getting their chance'. In other words, it matters not if a beloved franchise loved by hundreds of millions of people worldwide is forever ruined if it meant more women made money in Hollywood. It's an abominable attitude. It's also done *no* good for feminism as it's only made women look appalling at creativity - and don't forget that she had the best of the best to hire and every desire to do all she could to make women look great.
@@KeldorDAntrell she's a creep. You don't politicize a movie that has nothing to do with that stuff. She just happened to do it with one of the great movie series in history.
Rey was mind-controlling in her first week….before her first lesson from a Jedi. She fought a Sith as well, and beat the shit out of him…first week. Basically a Jedi is an easily learned joke.
@TheLatiosnlatias02 i dont get your original comment, i thought it was a "starkiller was a bigger gary stu than rey" so i replied reminding you that ir was actually trained by vader, sorry if i got it wrong
@@reek4062 If you're a not a fan of SW then you can stay out. Saying the Sequels are better than Prequels is a sign that you don't follow lore and characteristics.
@@hitsurei I was a SW fan until I was 12. I don't care aboot the stupid SW lore, but I do care aboot characters and only one trilogy has good characterization
I mean, George Lucas can’t say how he really feels about Disney’s corporate fiction, beyond that “White Slavers” quote from the Charlie Rose interview which he later had to reel back from due to him not being able to speak out against them as a result of his contract with Disney after selling his company to them, so George Lucas’s ex-wife saying how she feels about those films is the second best thing we can get regarding someone who was involved with the franchise from the beginning.
I mean we have Mark Hamill and George Lucas who have clearly alluded they hate the sequels (George literally boycotted TROS’s premiere) so Marsha Lucas being so blunt is icing on the cake really
@@alcarbo8613 Agreed. Marcia Lucas' comments are a delight, but I think we could already 100% trust Mark Hamill on the matter. The guy clearly understands storytelling and how to connect with the audience on an emotional level... something that JJ and Egghead Johnson clearly don't.
We're all pissed at Kathleen and JJ but honestly hate to say it but.... George Sold Star Wars to DISNEY.... He chose money over the fans... Sad but he caused all this.
The prequels had great ideas, good storytelling, original ideas, and interesting dynamics between many characters! That is still more you can say about the sequels!
“It was pretty tough to try and bring this story to a satisfying ending.” But they did in Return of the Jedi so beautifully for everyone, especially Luke and Anakin. As far as I’m concerned, that’s where the series ended and where Luke’s story ended.
Agreed. I would love a proper sequel trilogy that used Lucas' ideas, but since we got a heaping pile garbage instead, the original trilogy is where it ended for me. Though the shows haven't been bad so far, so until they start setting up the sequel trilogy, I'll count them as cannon.
@@greyngreyer5 Because it was the fans. If you didn't know, George was getting BATTED by the fans which more than definitely led to him just selling it off to Disney, who more than definitely wanted Star Wars.
@@greyngreyer5 it was the fans reaction to the prequels. if only people werent stupid and realized they were good in the first place we would have gotten a sequel trilogy from Lucas himself
The irony about Star Wars is it's supposed to be an escape from real life, but the sequels just hold up a magnifying glass to it instead. Greed, letdowns, disrespect, and ideologies everywhere. That's how they failed to understand Star Wars, actually they failed to understand what art is
Excellent observation! And they are doing the same with the Andor series... For me it is getting more and more unwatchable... There is an inter racial lesbian romance developing in these series... Why, for god's sake?
As much as I despise the sequels, I couldn't disagree more with your idea of what real ART is. The original trilogy is rooted in real life, real people, real problems, real human responses, and very real deep philosophical questions. It is a sci-fi, so it is fantastic in its settings, but other than that it is as real as it comes.
@@VelhaGuardaTricolor I don’t think art is about doing the dishes and going to a dead end job, while in Star Wars he saves a princess and becomes a knight who is trained by a wizard, and hearing music you would never hear in daily life and the possibilities are endless that shouldn’t be restricted to stupid identity politics and skin color
@@chaserivera1623 Creating a man of straw in order to make your case, shows how weak your argument actually is. Nobody is talking about doing the dishes. nor applauding the mess created by JJ and KK. My point is to remind you that your are wrong when you say ART is not about reality but fantasy only. STAR WARS didn't start as an empty fantasy only. There were politics, rebellion, Luke struggling as a young man with his family, grief, temptation to use the easy path ( DARK SIDE = VIOLENCE and TYRANT ) The choice of building bridges with the ones we love but are in conflict and helping them to see the light. ( Luke and Vader ) So you see. Reality is what makes great movies, great movies. It is not because of reality that the ST sucks so damn much, but because of lack of understanding or respect for the franchise. Take the top 2 IMDB movies by vote. The Shawshank Redemption and The Godfather Both deal with very real things. If you are too young or weak to deal with reality, stick with Harry Potter and LOTR by all means. I won't be the one to criticize you for it. Just don't assume it applies to everyone, just bc it applies to you. I hope you can understand my point, if you disagree, please let me know where I got it wrong. Cheers!
@@VelhaGuardaTricolor I think the things grounded in reality in star wars are outnumbered by fantastical things, at the end of the day many people have boring miserable lives where star wars can give them their spirit back. Rian johnson's treatment of luke skywalker was pretty realistic if you ask me, most old men are bitter hermits. Only in our imagination could there be hero luke like in ROTJ. In a world filled with hateful woke people, all I want to do is escape. Disney star wars characters are very spiteful just like 25% of people I could run into in college. In the OT characters are unrealistically hopeful because... fuck real life. And if you tell me you watched star wars for its harsh reality and how it relates to your life instead of the adventure and escape that's just strikes me as a person who should watch nonfiction
It doesn't matter what George Lucas, Marcia Lucas, Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford, or for that matter -anyone- involved in the original trilogy will say about the ST. It's defenders will block up their ears and scream "LALALALALA, I CAN'T HEAR YOU" at the top of their lungs, and push their own narrative. It's a culture war, they're purposefully destroying one of the most successful franchises in the world, and the damage is already done.
In fact, star wars was rarely known of *politics of today.* It was either the story, the characters or the choreography. The sequels is *that,* but without the latter sentence.
They all argue the same shit. "The sequels are great" "the prequels were worse" "George Lucas has been washed for 40 years" and my personal favorite, "what makes Star Wars *_Star Wars?"_* I've wasted hours of my life debating and it's the same brainlet people.
Damn. He should have pinned this comment. The battle for this nations soul is very real. And peope care more about TLJ then what's going on in their nation.
The clip of Rian saying he wouldnt change anything always makes me smirk. Any true artist never really feels his work is perfect. So the fact he wouldnt have changed anything just highlights how short sighted he is.
George Lucas said the same thing about his movies. He did admit that his movies aren't perfect, but that he wouldn't change anything about them. It's _entirely possible_ Rian's thinking the same way. And we're all flawed individuals. Don't be a jerk and criticize a person for the movie they had a part in making. Criticize the movie.
Totally agreed. There is only one thing they could have done to make me feel less disappointed in this trainwreck. HOW CAN YOU HAVE ALL OF THE ORIGINAL ACTORS AND KILL THEM OFF WITHOUT A GODDAMN REUNION?!?!?!
And for that matter, R2 needed A LOT more screen time. He was one of the most important characters in the prequel *and* original series. Anakin/Vader, Obi-Wan (as a ghost), 3PO, and R2 were--just thinking off the top of my head--the only characters in all six previous movies. Of those, the droids were the only ones still around.
What really irks me is the extremely lazy world building, like "oh The Empire is back but they're called the 'First Order' now" like what?!?!?! It completely invalidates the ending of the OG trilogy.
@@elijahproto they mean it makes the sequels invalid as stories because the ending of RotJ doesn't logically flow into the Disney Trilogy, therefore the setup for the Disney Trilogy doesn't work.
@@romeohio19 yeah I think u may have a point but empires do come and go and come again. The Japanese Empire, The Spanish Empire, The British Empire, the American Empire etc etc
OT: films that changed cinema, ground breaking, and remained as timeless classics. PT: Flawed but had some effort put in to expand the universe of star wars, still has some iconic moments and characters that what still makes star wars a greater franchise as a whole. ST: just some fanfiction that J.J abrams and Rian Johnson had magnetized up on their refridgerator.
Yeah I would consider the force unleashed games to be fan fiction but the sequel trilogy is a fever dream. Minus the first order jet trooper cuz that dude is awesome in battlefront 2
Revenge of the Sith is seriously in the same class as OT for me. The more I watch the more I enjoy it. Phantom is genuinely bad except for Qui-Gon and Maul, Clones is enjoyable. Revenge of the Sith is a masterpiece.
Not only do I not treat the sequel trilogy as non-canon, but also some of the live-action shows. I want a world in which Luke successfully restarts the Jedi Order and popular characters like Rex and Ahsoka aren't just forgotten about. It's a crime we didn't even get a reunion with Han, Luke, and Leia! Instead of the First Order being Empire 2.0, a much more creative antagonist, along with characters who get actual development, should be used. And keep the theme much more positive. The original trilogy ended on a high note and had a positive tone throughout, as good triumphed over evil; the sequels basically erased everything that happened in that trilogy and somehow resulted in us being back to square one.
@@samuraigeorge71 Don't know anything about that.... do know that if KK continues like this; Lucasfilm is yet another dead limp on Disney. Like Lucasfilm only has 2 franchises under it's wing... they already messed up Star Wars to the point that the fans they made the big bucks from have just moved on; (maybe they may do a behind the scenes with KK 'how to kill a franchise') and what I've heard of Indiana Jones.... yeah I think that fanbase will be gone too by the time Indy 5 comes out.... what are they gonna do then? Gonna go with the vagina fedora Pwb 😂 yeah good luck trying to convince the fans you get the big buck from (that doesn't include the mentally ill twitter people) that 'Phoebe is just as cool as Harrison'.... yeah good luck with that 😂😂😂
@@samuraigeorge71 I refuse to watch the first act of Attack of the Clones. Compare that to my refusal to watch the entirety of the sequels besides literally 2 opening scenes in The Force Awakens.
At least with the prequels. The lore is kept mostly intact. How things work, how it all fits together. It’s all actually fleshed out a lot more. Even with bad script, some bad acting and all that it still manages to bring a lot more depth to this galaxy far far away. Which also gave rise to some of the best Star Wars we have ever gotten based on the prequel time period such as the clones wars and a lot of legends stuff. Basically what I’m trying to say is the prequels stayed within the Star Wars universes lore. The sequels threw all lore out the window which is what annoyed so many.
Originally in the finale of A New Hope, the rebels just fly off to battle the Death Star somewhere in space. It was Marcia Lucas’s brilliant idea in the editing room to have the Death Star attempting to destroy Yavin 4 to raise the stakes and suspense. She took a lot of footage of Peter Cushing during the Alderaan destruction scene and re-worked it for the Battle of Yavin. She is one of the biggest reasons why Star Wars turned out larger-than-life.
@@ottovonbearsmark8876 i could even get behind that if they showed why he became an asshole. like give him motivation that's the key. you cant subvert expectations without building the expectations. all the "subversion" in the sequel trilogy doesn't build its own subversion in their movies. Instead they really lean on the expectations of people watching the previous movies for their subversion which just pisses people off instead of moving them deeper into your show. Also for things to go wrong you want your antagonist to make something clever happen or to be stronger. For example if you look at the first half of Game of Thrones every time something goes wrong its not because of a poor choice made its because someone used the character for their own gain and outsmarted them AND PEOPLE LOVE IT. where as latter in the series everyone makes mistake affter mistake and people hate it because it feels like the smart people are now just dumb and guess what people HATED it. Same in star wars.
Hottest take: the sequels would have been much better if Finn was the Jedi, and he was the one that went on a vision quest with Luke and actually got trained. Then we had a cohesive story about him leading the resistance.
This!!!! I keep saying this! Honestly I felt a bit betrayed when I realised Rey was going to be the Jedi, because I felt like all the teasers for ep7 were setting up Finn for it and I was so exicted for a former Stormtrooper Jedi. I also feel like Rey could have been super cool as a Han Solo-type character (even though it seemed like Poe was already kinda filling that spot), with her bonding with Han, flying the Millenium Falcon so expertly, etc
I mean, its a cool idea, but there was a lot of other things that needed to be fixed to, mostly just the way they treated the old characters and the way the told the story. I could of enjoyed what they tried to do if they just didn't do it so terribly and with such inconsistency, with all the changes just between 7 and 8, where it seemed like Rian wanted to just do everything he could to derail the trilogy and fuck up every plot thread that JJ gave him... not that any of them were particularly great. Snoke could of been interesting though
So true, when the force awakens was marketed I thought Finn would be the new Jedi because he has the fucking lightsaber in the movie poster, not Rey. What a let down
or if Finn did anything. Literally anything. It's forgotten after 7 that he used to be a storm trooper and he's just shoved in the background for the rest of the two movies with in 9 it being hinted at that he's force sensitive but nothing happens out of it.
9:28 This shit cracked me up, and proves the fact that people who like the sequels are brain dead. “Luke, Vader, Anakin or Yoda” Like you mentioned Anakin twice ffs
It was one bright point in a twitter parade of complete, utter, blackpilling dumb. (I guess 'complete, utter, blackpilling dumb' is redundant when I already mentioned the word 'twitter')
this never stops making me smile and be sad at the same time, a Lucas smashing down on the sequel trilogy but it sucks that we need this and not having a wonderful trilogy to celebrate and care about for the next years is what makes me sad
*downloaded all three this week, have no regrets at all. The sequel trilogy is a HIGHLANDER2 sized snafu. {do people even remember HIGHLANDER2? ..no..? ..good>that's the same sort of repect that the sequel trilogy deserves.}
Same here. But it would at least be nice if the fans could expand on SW. Lucas was proud of the fact that SW fans expanded on the SW universe with new books and ideas. Lucas was encouraging the fans. Disney, on the other hand, is barely allowing SW based themes on secular UA-cam channels.
I grew up living, dreaming, cheerleading all things star wars, even the campy holiday special. I had xwings and the falcon painted on my celling as a kid, my friends and I played 'star wars' in the late 70's instead of 'army or cowboys and Indians', as soon as West End Games came out with a SW RPG we played in the 'galaxy far, far, away' for countless hours. I bought ever novel that is now called 'legends'. SW was the first three movies I bought for my first VCR and then I played them constantly, even falling asleep with them playing. Then Disney bought the franchise. I had high hopes for a resurgence in all things SW. Lo though, did I fail to understand that the House of Mouse is thick with the dark side; it's sith leader coming in the guise of a smiling women claiming to have a vision. And that vision not only worked to morph the franchise into something...something horrible, it also actually achieved it in most accounts. The Force Awakens came and I watched. I visibly cringed when Rey damaged the Falcon. I thought that the movie had potential, yet there was something; some unease in the Force that I couldn't identify but I put it down to new ideas and new faces, willing to give into the benefit of doubt. Rogue One came out and I thought, 'now here's a good SW movie'. One that felt like the SW I grew up with and knew well. That feeling of relief was shattered when The Last Jedi premiered. It felt 'wrong', somehow. 'Stupid' was my second thought, then true horror seeped in. I understood. This Kennedy lady's plan was to corrupt the franchise; turn it into some social platform for right wrongs done to her as a young girl or something. Or simply that she truly, honestly, was never a SW fan, let alone understood the flavor and spirit of the franchise. It was a terrible feeling, this one. Solo came out and, despite the loads of bad press and reviews, I found that I enjoyed it and that it too, held a lot of the old magic. Perhaps there was hope yet. That hope was dashed, again, buried and defecated on in truth, by The Rise of Skywalker. Ten minutes into the movie I got up and did the thing I would never, ever have dreamed of doing as a kid, as a young adult, as an adult. I walked out and demanded a refund. To this day I have yet to finish watching that horror show. If it weren't for the plan of Kennedy, I'd have chucked it up to a pack of amateurs' who never read or watched any of Lucas' earlier works. While no excuse, ignorance is what it is. This farce of Kennedy's vision however, is intentional. Blatantly and clearly so.
Man... I fell in love with star wars growing up. They were the source of many awesome moments and memories, Today I've shown my kids the originals but I've never once even suggested they watch anything other than those. I can only hope they get one bit of the wonderment I got out of them with none of the sadness I felt when they were ruined. I genuinely feel bad for anyone whos first impression of the films were what we have to offer today, they don't even know.
The part where everybody's in the room spitballing ideas and they put diversity on the board twice I'm willing to bet they can't name the person who defeated Darth Revan
Lol! They couldn't even name the home planet of Luke. It's a bunch of hollyweird elite in control and they saw an opportunity to add blacks and women into a space fantasy. If they make another movie then Rey will be a lesbian and Chewie is transgendered. And the virtue signaling fans will eat it up.
Well, diversity is will be absolutely great for Star Wars. Stop rasism! Enough of this humans cast bullshit! Give some screentime to the twi'leks of color (in bikini)! Stop hiding them, you brutes! You just afraid of twi'leks girl power!
@@lolnoobus we should convince people to join hutt space they will be like Oprah with the twi'leks you get a twi'lek. plus they are equal opportunity slavers we all know where we stand with the huts
Imagine destroying an entire series that has about 45+ years of worth lore that created many happy memories for a few generations of kids and adults. Then saying you’re happy about how it ended? I’m sure you are happy because it almost destroyed your career and Disney had a bit buyers remorse.
Say what you will about the prequels, the stories were better than the sequels, by a lot. I've always said George Lucas was a victim of his own success. How do you say "no" to the man who created Star Wars, Indiana Jones, the leading most respected special effects house in the world, ILM, and THX sound systems? He needed someone who would challenge and push him to be better. Even so, the prequels are still orders of magnitude better than the Disney films.
@@jongoff7829 I wasn’t talking about the prequels. My comment was specifically about the sequels that Disney made after they purchased the rights to Star Wars. Kathleen Kennedy said she was happy about how the sequels ended. I do have my gripes about Lucas selling his baby aka Star Wars but to late for that.
I would imagine it’s a coping method. I better to live in denial and spoilt corporate PR speak rather than admitting you singlehandedly destroyed a multi billion dollar franchise beloved by many inside of 5 years.
The problem I see with many who “defend” these films, and many others like it, is the blatant, found-less and aggressive rejection of any criticism. They refuse to engage in a healthy debate, or defend their actions in a logical and intelligent way. They just attack the character of anyone who disagrees with them. And they seemingly get away with it. Who is hiring these people? Who is approving of these people’s actions that they think it is acceptable? This level of arrogance, stupidity and entitlement is seriously dangerous man.
"Bringing all this to satisfying conclusion is one of the most difficult things we've ever done" "How did you do it?" "A lot of conversation, a lot of debate &..." "A lot of fart smelling"
I saw the first one in '77. I remember when there was ONE Star Wars movie, it was called Star Wars. That's all. Just Star Wars. The phenomenon didn't let up for three whole years, an eternity in the pre-Internet world. On Opening Night in 1980, when Darth Vader first uttered the line which people seemingly know at birth today, it was truly jaw-dropping. The theater gasped and some people even screamed. It made seeing all subsequent Star Wars films on day-of-release essential. Until I saw the seventh one, whatever it's called, I don't really know. There are only three Star Wars films... and then there are the prequels, which, compared to the stuff this new company is plopping out, are now classics by comparison. The new ones are so bad, so virtually bankrupt intellectually, that it was enough to make me completely ignore Star Wars, one of the very epicenters of my childhood. That would've been inconceivable even just six short years ago. Congratulations.
I know that science fiction is not the most outstanding or deepest genre in cinema, and I don’t want to sound like a nerd fanboy, but damn, “I am your father” is the greatest twist in the history of this art.
Well actually in retrospect vader himself actually acted as if Anakin was a different person because in technicality he was due to the fact that he was fully a part of the dark side and literally disconnected himself from what he was beforehand until return of the Jedi of course so I don't get that?
@@Bluetheknight21 ACTUALLY (ACTUAL reality/FACT) Do what Anakin/Vader did to younglings and use your thoughtful wording in the court of law and see how well that works for you... Now SYMBOLISM, sure that works great... But actually, they are BOTH the same man and Vader ObvIously didn't dispense that reality otherwise he never would have told Luke that he was his father: The NAME Anakin meant nothing to Vader: he's become a dark shadow of the mighty light he used to be. symbolism is what you're saying. There is no light without shadow. No good without evil, no order without chaos and its our choices that define us: anakin chose to fall (I dont blame him. To save my wife and kid, I'd probably done the same thing). He then chose to be redeemed: its the tale of "Horus the Elder SKYWALKER(Osiris)" being killed by His "Brother"/SET (Both connected eventually with the Title of "Baal" in Ancient times: a connection I've only ever seen George Lucas and Zacharia Sitchin make) and then is redeemed by "Horus the Child SKYWALKER", Who was destined to "rule" (symbolized by baby luke holding his hand to his face in ROTS just like Horus in ancient mythology): Horus defeats Set. Set/Vader KILLS Apep/Palpatine and returning to the light/Ra and goes on to the afterlife as "OSIRIS".... This all amounts to the inner struggle, the journey we all go on: we ARE Skywalker as well as Vader. I hope you enjoyed the philosophy lesson. *May the Schwartz stay with you*
@@FoolishPrince your spastic usage of caps, slashes and parentheses crossed with no formatting and a radical viewpoint makes me actually nauseous. I have discovered the embodiment of "no chill"
@@Bluetheknight21 Vader does no such thing. He references himself as himself. That stupid dichotomy idea comes from lying old Obi Wan, who wasn't telling Luke the truth because he was manipulating him into murdering his father.
5:30 - I never knew he tweeted that. As someone (a woman, actually) whose favorite character of all time is Luke Skywalker, I can promise you that what he said is complete BS. Canon Luke stood before the most terrifying man in the galaxy (who tortured both his best friends, mind you!) and believed there was still good in him. And when he fought his father and nearly gave into the dark side to kill him, he stopped himself and realized that he was on the same road his father was and chose NOT to go there. The part where Luke looks from his father's hand to his own is PIVITOL in Luke's development. You mean to tell me that this SAME MAN got spooked by his nephew and raised his lightsaber to KILL him? And that it's CONSISTENT with his character? What was the point of him not killing Vader in RotJ then if he was just going to do the same thing in TLJ? And at the very worst, Luke may have been depressed about failing his students and become reclusive, but he wouldn't have been the angry and bitter Luke we saw in TLJ. Oh man, so sorry for the long rant. Rian Johnson makes my blood pressure rise, haha.
At this point Jon and Dave are the last hope of star wars. Disney messed it all up big time. Anything Disney does will always bow to the mob of sjw snowflakes. Every. Single. Time.
The amount Finn yells "Rey" is genuinely hilarious xD Didn't need a Marcia edit to improve these films, someone like me with no film industry experience could have edited them better. Granted not much movie would be left afterwards though. But seriously, i think even i could have made these movies better in the editors chair.
The Disney trilogy was just something Luke dreamed about, he tells his wife Mara Jade Skywalker about it who laughs and comforts him on training their son Ben.
yeah, at least watchable. FANEDITS of PT are excellent, highly recommend - watchable, and cohesive stories, more special effects, cringe removed. Just great trilogy in that format. But I ain't even watched ST lolol not a single second lol bleh. Kathleen K. is a very nice woman, I like her very much. BUT this story should have been trusted to somebody else.
If you get rid of some of the wonky dialogue, wooden acting and weird CGI the Revenge of the Sith is at it's base an amazing story..I just wish there was more about the actual turning to the dark side. But they got everything else spot on.
@@thebassconnection7226 I think they got most of Anakin's fall from grace down, he was already on a very dark path from the moment he killed all of those Tusken Raiders after Shmi's death. It's just that most of it got lost in the cheesy and melodramatic dialogue. The fact that the scene also happens off-screen also really doesn't help. All the Clone Wars does is flesh that fall from grace out and provide more details, but I felt like the trajectory of his turn to the dark side was easily observable in the Prequels, even if it wasn't always executed well.
Definitly not. Prequels sucks still and are plagues by greed of Lucas just like by Jar Jar. And after the crytal skull he should forever remain silent.
Disney: pisses off the writers, editors, actors, and fans of original star wars Litterally everyone: Frankly, I don't agree with this Disney: *Traitor!*
Honestly, when Episode IX came out I instantly went to see it, when I heard Palpatine is back. I had high hopes that they would somehow still save the franchise and have a reasonable explanation for why he is back. I really wanted them to not fuck up this movie. But when it started with „somehow Palpatine returned" I knew this movie was just gonna be as bad as the other two.
"and have a reasonable explanation for why he is back"? You mean *how* he is back but what explanation could possibly be reasonable when it means that *EVERYTHING* that the rebel alliance fought for was for nothing if Palpatine survived?
@@KeldorDAntrell Lmfao as bad as the explanation is in the old EU for why Palpatine is back, it was leagues better than this new version they created. Sad that one of the WORST old EU comic lines is better than the CANON MOVIES that Disney has made.
I've honestly never seen a worst intro to a movie. Opening with a text that drops a HUGE information like it's nothing at all - oh well, the Emperor is back and we won't bother telling you why or how... it's incredibly bad writing, so bad I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes. And this led me to laughing out loud from the first minute to the last.
KK: "The Force is everywhere, in everyone, it's not just male, it's not just female..." Also KK: "THE FORCE IS FEMALE!" Does she even have a stance at all, let alone one based on actual knowledge of the story and lore, or does she just say whatever sounds most marketable in the moment? The ACTUAL answer, by the way, is that Force potential is distributed rather randomly like pretty much any form of talent. If you hit the genetic lotto you will be extremely strong in the Force, or you might be a bit less lucky and have a solid or moderate or small amount of Force capability, or if you're unlucky you'll have virtually none. This is true no matter what gender, race, or species you are in the Star Wars galaxy. So KK is wrong either way, it's not just one kind of person and it's not everyone either, it's a roll of the dice whether you'll have Force power and if so how much.
The way the Force actually works is triggering to SJW scum because it's an example of inequality. Like, no, some people have it and some people don't, sorry, that's how it works, life isn't fair get over it. SJWs cry when something is unequal because they can't handle the fact that inequality is just a fact of life, some people are just smarter, stronger, more attractive, etc. than others and that's why they're ahead. The universe isn't fair. Inequality will always exist, and as a consequence, hierarchies will always exist.
But for reals, I feel like Star Wars is one of the most diverse fictional universes we’ve seen visually. I mean, how many fucking alien species and droids have we seen in the first 6 movies and shows and EVEN further so when reading the Extended Universe. We should say that KK’s Disney is anti-diversity by getting rid of all of the extended universe content describing ancient civilizations, species and history.
Just like the distribution of any particular talent and resources in the real world, the force likely follows a pareto distribution. I have not problem if SJWs hate that, but when they pretend its not true just because you don't like it... If only they could have directed that in the right place, they could have given us a story focused on the hard life of someone with no force powers, who has to rely on wits and military training to be a hero anyway. They could have even made him from am oppressed group (such as a class of people that were kidnapped at birth and trained to dogmatically die for someone else cause). They even made such a character and managed to not completely muck it up. So close to having something watchable that actually lined up with their own beliefs..... then they create a character whos sole purpose is to ruin his character (rose), and dedicated more and more time to their knock off Skywalker that no one likes. I don't think they can be that stupid, either they ruining it on purpose because they hate the fans or because they hate themselves.
I think the part that made me most agitated was when she found an ancient knife, and (this is spoilers but it's garbage so don't worry) it was meant to be a map. How was it a map? The knife edge perfectly matched the skyline of the terrain when standing in a specific spot looking in a specific direction. The skyline. As in, the thing that changes almost year-to-year. A map. On an ancient knife edge. Only usable from standing in one spot. No. Fuck off, movie.
I don't like the movies, but all that is perfectly acceptable Star Wars. Remember that Force Users can see the future and make extremely convoluted plans that would be completely inane and ineffective if they didn't know exactly how things would pan out. Example: Luke's plan to rescue Han.
@@argus2389 It can be, if you are bad at it, but if you are Luke or The emperor and great at it you can make absurdly convoluted plans based on knowing exactly how people are going to react 5 moves in. When the dagger is made is irrelevant and your claim about when it was made is literal nonsense. Luke has to see the future for his plan at Jabba's to work. He gives Jabba Chewy, R2, and 3P0, with the only way of getting them back being Jabba bringing them out to the sarlacc for Luke to liberate them. What was his plan if Jabba said "well I know the Jedi are powerful and you have been very respectful so I will give you Han for the debt he owes and future consideration. What happens to Chewie and the droids then? "Luke succeeded with clever planning and having a backup plan" No. The plan doesn't work at all. Only the backup backup plan. siege
They quit labeling them as Episodes, they removed the scrolling text from the intro. They quit calling Sith Lords “Darth” they did a horrible job honoring Carrie Fischer. They didn’t follow the lore of Star Wars which stated that Anakin brought balance to the force by killing Palpatine and after that Darth Banes Rule of Two was broken. Boba Fett is alive and was supposed to be in the new episodes. No Mara Jade. They seem to forget that light saber Force Locks exist and therefore no cross guards are needed. Boba Fett’s daughter Mirta Gev is nowhere to be found in the movies. She is 10x a strong woman that Rey is. Luke never threw his lightsaber away in the book and never gave up in the book and Mark Hammil requested to improve against the script and not throw his light saber behind him but they wouldn’t let him. Chewbacca died before Han in actual lore and Han watched him get crushed to death. Rey is not a Skywalker and does not exist in actual Star Wars lore. Neither does fin. Mon Motha was supposed to make a return They were on the verge of discovering the new galaxy in actual cannon lore Cloning someone or something does not put their consciousness into the clone. So a Palpatine clone is not truly him. They do not realize that Star Wars IS NOT science fiction. It is fantasy. The original Sith were a race The original Jedi were a religion The vast majority of Dark Side users are not Sith. Less than 1% of them are. It actually is possible that Finn can use a light saber. But not possible for him to defeat any Force user with it. The Bounty Hunters Guild became a huge threat directly after the events of Episode 6. The reason Han Solo got in trouble is because he dropped and lost his shipment to avoid imprisonment. He also did not go thru the black hole. He used the gravity to go around it by getting close and getting sling shotted off and no one had ever done that before. That was how he made the run in far fewer parsecs than was though possible. A parsec is distance, not speed as the movie implies. C3PO never had a red arm in cannon lore. Even with retconning, Rey is not a Skywalker. She would have to marry one to be one. Oh my point of posting all that is to say ALL THAT’S why current Star Wars sucks.
@@thekindlykobold hmm...we need a strong woman figure to embody women power... --'ignores thousands of fans frantically gesturing to Mara Jade's picture---
I pretend Star Wars: 7,8,9 doesn’t exist. The emperor died in space. Rey was lost in the desert, Han Solo retired and still lives. Kylo Ren got sacrificed to the Sarlack and Luke skywalker was a happy hermit who never got exposed to Rey
It troubles me that the reigns have been given to people with active contempt for Star Wars, its creator, and its fandom from the get-go. I could stomach bad decision making if it came from an honest place, but it's clear that something's rotten in the senate. Kathleen and Iger toss aside George's ideas as soon as they seal the deal and binned an entire continuity.... only to have it be retold in blander way (did we really need Clone Palpatine, a terrible plot point in either continuity?) JJ did a number on Star Trek before, a potential red flag of what was to come. Rian Johnson...we know his views on the series... fumbled with subversive concepts that KOTOR II already did WAY better. And now the KOTOR reboot is being written by Sam Maggs, someone who gets in constant twitter battles with sequel critics and has gone on record saying KOTOR isn't even her favorite SW game. The only people involved I've seen who talk about Star Wars both passion AND respect off the top of my head are Hamill, Filoni, and Favreau.
its dead. Leave it. Only when its totally dusted and these pricks get nothing will the shareholders do anything to boot them. Fortunately, there's THE EXPANSE, THE HORUS HERESY (not outside books yet, but still, great sci fi), and some others that have yet to be tainted.
I admit that I was onboard with the sequel trilogy and even defended it against the people who hated the sequels for being too different. Then the third one came out, and I felt like a loyal Storm Trooper who believed in the Empire and the safety and prosperity that they bring to core worlds.. and then watched dumbstruck as they blow up Alderan.
9:30 Just off the cuff: Luke: Your dad was a powerful Jedi and a great starfighter pilot Anakin: You're a freak, but you could also be the Chosen One. Vader: You're actually Anakin and Luke's dad. Yoda: You're old as heck and belong to a race of long-lived super-powerful force users. Rey: Surprise, you're super powerful with the force, possibly more powerful than Yoda and Anakin combined, and you intuitively know how to use all of its powers from even the slightest exposure without any background or build-up, and we're gonna retcon it that you're Palpatine's secret kid later. Then kill Palpatine when the core of the goddamn Death Star couldn't. Quintessential Waaamen's Mary Sue I remember literally shouting in the theatre when watching Force Awakens "This is bulls**t!" when Rey did jedi mind-trickery.
The amount of arguments I've had with pathetic feminists over Rey is ridiculous. She's a poorly written character with no substance. Daisy did the best she could with what she had, so this isn't about the acting abilities of the cast. I just can't stand badly written characters and stories
@@pyerack if you mean people standing up for Rey as a character does, I completely agree. If not, I'm still likely to agree, I just don't see it at the moment
I already had a strong dislike of jedis for making basically all other military assets around them irrelevant. A tank column? one jedi waving his hand is enough to destroy it. And then you come to those that can move spaceships, and you are left wondering why anyone even bothers with armies as long as they have jedi. I would like more star wars and less everything revolving around the space samurai wizards (think clone wars without jedi involvment once again dictating the outcome of anything they appear in), or at least have them meet actual threats (that DO exist in lore but somehow never appear in the movies, like slug throwers that lightsabers can't deflect, laser weapons shooting 3 bolts at a time in a triangle formation making it literally impossible to deflect all bolts at once with a lightsaber, or various alien creatures that alter force usage around them) Rey.. takes that and makes it FAR WORSE, by taking the obnoxious parts about jedis, and shoving them down the viewer's throat all just to push an agenda.
@@thorveim1174 You mention the Clone Wars but completely forget the event that both ended the Clone Wars and proved that Jedi are not unbeatable; Order 66. You also ignore the fact that not all force users are as competent with the force as you're making out. Had they actually been as powerful as you're suggesting, Order 66 would not have worked
@@chojin6136 I know.. but the weaker jedis are rarely on display, in favor of the overpowered ones that are more than powerful enough to be decisive whenever they appear. As for order 66, it gives the impression that it broke the jedi as an organisation, but didn't manage much more than just scattering the jedis and sending them into hiding. I know that in lore there is weaker jedis, there is countermeasures to jedis, but the movies fail to show any of that as any jedi on display is either a master or more than capable of becoming one. Also to add to how annoying their all-encompassing importance is that on the political side of things too they had massive sway until order 66. Star wars revolves around the jedi and their sith counterparts, which I think is sad as it ends up relegating everything else that setting has to offer into the background far too much.
As George's ex-wife, she probably even knows some of the things he had planned for a potential sequel. The stuff Disney wiped their asses with after promising George to "protect" his characters
George even laid out the Plans for the sequel, you can read it there. It would be about Luke rebuilding the jedi order, leia and the Rebellion rebuilding the republic fighting against thug Organisations, darth maul and his sith padawan
"3 old characters that should logically die sooner or later anyway" Luke was 53 when he died and Leia was around 54 when she died. Han was 66 when he was killed. I wouldn't be surprised if all 3 of them lived to be more than triple their age at the time of their death considering it's fucking star wars. Hell they all would have probably lived to be around 100.
@Umlilo Fine Arts Ministry makes no sense, cuz squirrel girl is marvel and batman is dc, but it makes sense in terms that people who have no idea about the franchise and characters would try and do that
I can understand the initial decision. Give the OT characters a respectable and satisfactory end, and have a new generation take over and tell their own stories. If done well you give yourself enormous creative freedom going forward. I'm also quite convinced that there's a good story buried deep, deep within TFA's initial premise and outline. I mean, pitting Han, Luke and Leia against one of their own family, where his redemption matters more than anything because it would otherwise destroy the Skywalker family and legacy forever, yea, that's a pretty good premise for an amazing stoyline imho. Unfortunately it was all very poorly executed. Behind a shed. With a blunt object. So uncivilised.
I grew up in a cult, and one of the most common phrases you hear about apostates is "they can leave the church but they can't leave the church alone".... Which basically means fine leave but don't tell everyone about the horrible experience you've had. What I'm saying is that Disney is a cult, because you can't question them, and once you leave they don't want you talking about it.
The problem with 7,8, and 9, is they introduced a bunch of characters with no backstory, and you had to figure out what they were doing there and why. Lucas' 2nd trilogy, from the early 2000s, suffered, in part, from this; but, because he knew exactly where he was going (he had the events of the first trilogy in front of him), he was able to tie it all up satisfactorily. The makers of this last trilogy had no real idea where they were going. They were making it all up and improvising as they went along.
"Mark hammill tried to warn" is still a classic search on youtube whenever i have to deal with new disney space wars invading my stream. I wish youtube can let me block the words "disney star wars" from anything i see
There's a well known story of when Gene Wilder fought Mel Brooks over a scene in Young Frankenstein. Brooks stood by his choice to leave it in, and Wilder backed off because he knew if the scene was actually good, he would fight for it. So it stayed in.
So funny how Marcia Lucas won a literal Academy Award for her work on the OT and none of the hacks on the sequel trilogy did. Must be coincidence or something
I like the prequels, I think they're heavily flawed, but there's still a good chunk of Star Wars in them. They're not great movies, except for Revenge of the Sith, but they are amazing world-building and create a wonderful universe to explore. They still transport you to another world and still create this fantastic world. It just needed that grounding and direction from either his producer buddies and/or Marcia Lucas to really polish it out and get the pacing and clean it up. It has a strong story and the creativity of the designs and everything. None of that is found in any of the later star wars movies. There is no world building or creation.
What bout the light saber duels they were awesome in the prequels. People dont give enough credit to the action scenes, theyre just as important as everything else. Lame/laze fight coreography in a movie is just as bad as bad dialogue/writing, IN MY OPINION.
@Jack Blakeney Same here, as a kid I adored Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith, I still enjoy all of them and though I don't watch them quite as often (I used to watch the entire two trilogies every single year once during Summer and once during Winter break, with the 2003 Clone Wars DVDs as well)
agreed. The Prequels added sooo much lore that has become impossible to remove from the series. The dialogue and events are sometimes lame and cheesy, but the world building and overall additions are incredible. But, if I were to talk to someone whos not seen star wars and wants to know where to start (the 3 people like that on the planet lol) I'd say, you should just skip ep1, and ep2, and just watch Dave Filoni's Star War's The Clone Wars series from start to finish, as that will pretty much tell you everything you need to know, then watch ep 4,5,3,6 and then put the new trilogy on a thumb drive and throw it in the garbage.
7:52 I laughed so hard, like what is she even saying😂 "It's not female, it's not male it's just the force" Kathleen doesn't even know what the force is, and anyone who has the slightest knowledge about Star Wars already knows the force doesn't base itself around certain genders. I mean we've seen Ahsoka Tano, Aayla Secura, Luminara Unduli,... Even female dark side users like Asajj Ventress or Darth Talon are absolute badasses. So yes Kathleen, the force resides in both genders and every alien species in the Star Wars universe. The sequels aren't the first time we've seen female Jedi so stop acting like you did something incredible by making the main protagonist a woman. Also consider learning what the force actually is before going on your interviews
It’s quite obvious they had no good ideas for the new Trilogy so they tapped into contemporary social Justice struggles and feelings as a way out. They needed to make money somehow so they concocted this false narrative about the sexism and racism of Star Wars so they could justify rejecting its creator’s ideas. They knew they needed the original faces but they strategically eliminated them within the storyline. All in an attempt to reduce the story to a Disney mutant. They are master manipulators. They pulled a Sidious on us.
@@beretman27 Wouldn't have said it better. They managed to make sci-fi political, and somehow it's successful cause of the morons on Twitter denying the bad writing just cause the main protagonist is female and the first important character we meet is black. Not that that's a bad thing ofc cause as I mentionned I really don't care what race, sex, color, religion... The characters are as long as they fit in with the story. Had a good long debate on Facebook why I wasn't racist for disliking the sequels mentioning multiple times that Mace Windu is like my 3rd favorite Jedi😂 I just feel like Disney is too intertwined with political and social affairs nowadays. Just look at what they did to Johnny Depp as soon as they heard misleading accusations of him beating his wife, someone needs to be fired I swear
@@poaato Being force sensitive and living with the force are 2 different things, but you're right. It was probably wrong of me to say every species knowing there are many who can't develop their force powers like the Vong
Yeah I don’t get why KK keeps acting like she did something revolutionary such as having a female Jedi when female Jedi existed way before Rey, and some of them were talented Masters. I don’t know where this is coming from. Even including Finn as a Jedi is not revolutionary coz of Mace Windu. The one unique thing they could have brought to the table was Finn the ex-stormtrooper discovering he is Force-sensitive and becoming a Jedi. But they discarded him for Reylo. :S
I’ve been a fan since 77 and read and own almost every EU book. After seeing TFA on dvd which a friend lent me and very almost kicking in my set, I’ll never spend money on Disney, the Killing of HS never sense story wise, and a missed opportunity to get all the original cast together, from the first five minutes I was going mental as all the entire film was a rehash of the original. I’ll stick with my EU collection. It makes me glad to know the print on demand Heart of the Jedi blow away in only a week and half before it got pulled, destroyed all the new republic books and in the Uk made it to the top 5 top selling book of week on Amazon
No kidding I never seen movie's that I could tell you what was going to happen before it was even made lol. There was no thought in making these movie's, all they did was took something great and tried to do a remake and failed.
I thought it made Han look stupid. IF he had gone out there to save his son then great. BUT he needed a backup plan to stop him like one of those detonators. Kylo stabs Han and he had one on a deadman’s switch...blowing up and seriously injuring Kylo making him more like DARTH VADER in the next movie.
If there was one thing Disney did that was good, it was specifically labeling tons of old Star Wars content as non-canon. Now the good Star Wars and the bad are separate canons.
Well I think Marcia Lucas’ statement makes it official. The sequel trilogy sucks! Hope everyone is keeping safe and remember, “Liking” “Subscribing” or “Sharing” this video will bring 10% more happiness to your week! And hit the Bell! Because no-one seems to be getting notified. Cheers!
Hey, I thankfully got a notification. Love the vid and the channel my man❤️
if only we could just wipe our minds of the sequel trilogy
@@peterbissett5639 Thanks Man 👍
@@timekeeper0436 Agree. Or just remake it idk.
These are always too long in between vids, but well worth the wait.
I literaly have convinced myself that the new triology is not canon, i live a happy life like this, its peacefull, i live in a world of bliss where legends is canon
Star Wars ended with Return of the Jedi.
@@samuraigeorge71 exactly! And started with a new hope!
I am also in this column, legends is canon before Disney threw it out making it legends now but if I think that the ST isn’t real then I can be fine with everything else. Ignorance is bliss
@@samuraigeorge71 Prequels are canon unless you know better than Lucas.
I mean, when it's not made by the original creator anymore you may as well consider it not cannon, since Disney's got no clue how to make Star Wars.
I love that a *well respected* woman *with ties to the original trilogy* finally said Rey was too powerful too quickly too easily. It's not sexist, it's factual.
They can hide behind their false identities all they want
Rey Palpatine is a abomination. Like all of Disney Trilogy.
@DEEJMASTER 333 Nah they just recognize the double standard.
In Luke first movie he managed to use the force despite having no training to outfight soldiers and military pilots and eyeball a shot that veteran pilots with advanced targeting computers couldn't make and became a war hero by blowing up the death star when he was a teenager. Oh but Rey's "too powerful" because she managed to not die at the ejd of her first movie 🙄
Yep also Kylo Ren looked awesome but turned out to be a little punk in his first film.
“It was pretty tough to try and bring this story to a satisfying ending.” Bruh they already did in episode 6
funny how that works! the movie series didn't actually need a continuation because _it already ended!_ the bad guys are dead and/or redeemed, the good guys have prevailed and there is hope in the galaxy once again. the only thing there could feasibly be a good sequel for is Luke's new Jedi order/Leia's leadership as the empire is destroyed and the republic reinstated. it's done. it's over. Star Wars didn't NEED a crappy re-do of the ot. we didn't need a new hope against an evil state looking for galactic domination. we didn't need to kick every character in the nuts and reverse their character development. why did the sequels even go in that direction?
@@seabirdflutter For extremist feminism propaganda. So much shit is only made these days for the purpose of racial or gender specific propaganda to uplift people who weren’t uplifted in the past. It works subliminally by just allowing the characters to exist in a normal way. But when you do it like the sequel trilogy and instead of simply having an good movie with a strong lead character that happens to be female, they instead go the route of making the movie being about women always being right and the smartest and strongest
Exactly.
I will admit, one of the main characters didn’t die during filming (that’s a huge thing to get around.) But yeah, your point is on target.
@@markokoume9343 well yea Carrie fisher passing did hurt them even more but the worst thing they did is not have a story written for how to get from A to B. They built the story around the characters. Not the characters around the story
The only Star Wars film I've enjoyed since Revenge of the Sith was Rogue One. Rogue One captured the essence of Star Wars in a way the Sequels never did.
EDIT: Jyn is also a FAR stronger female lead than Rey by a fucking continent's distance. Felicity Jones absolutely SLAYED in that role.
I suggest you go watch the films besides sequel trilogy even the shows if possible
That was the movie Kathleen considered "boring" right?
lol neither were that good tbh. Saying she slayed that role is just ridiculous but I’ll agree it’s a better movie fs
@@Alex_Penjamin Okay, maybe "slayed" was overstating a bit, probably because any Star Wars movie being remotely good these days makes it seem perfect, purely in comparison to the Sequels.
@@isthatbraised Kathleen dislikes it, that's a point in favour of Rogue One.
This is like someone adapting Shakespeare so badly that he physically gets out of his grave and tells them it’s was garbage and then everyone says he doesn’t know what he’s talking about lol
@@pyerack it’s just the spammers who comment hate on everything. Just like the twitter crazy guy who sent 100s of the same tweet.
This is now my favourite sentence
It's like someone taking Star Trek and turning it into vapid, pointless, woke transformers-in-space… ah wait a second.
@@RobKMusic ok boomer
"The fool doesn't think he is wise, but true wise men know themselves to be a fool."
-A Shakespeare quote which I adapted into modern English
"A lot of debate"
Debate? How many people did she fire over "creative differences"? That isn't debate, sweetie.
Lol I mean she learned that from Lucas, not defending her. But watch the behind the scenes for the prequels and he pretty frankly states "the editor didnt like I was ask of them so I fired them." Shes a dumb bimbo no doubt but firing over differences is nothing really new.
@@Themaxxrad99 Fair. Point. Kudos.
The number of people kathleen kennedy fired from Star Wars is a testament to disney's insulting treatment of the franchise and the integrity and reverence of the creatives in the industry who refused to work toward destroying this beloved IP. Well done to them for sacrificing their paychecks and backing Lucas.
@@Themaxxrad99 yeah and we know the popular opinion the prequels. Even if they are above the ST.
@@denkerbosu3551 TBF I've never really got why The Last Jedi in particular gets all the hate, but then again I've also never really got why Phantom Menace gets all the hate - Because I'd put those two movies ahead of AotC, RotS, TFA, RoS and Solo even if neither are anywhere near as good as Rogue Squadron NEVER MIND The OT!
Look at Kingdom of the Crystal Skull - It's an OK movie, it's not awful at all YET it gets absolutely slaughtered! Because people were expecting sheer brilliance and got their hopes too high. Phantom Menace is in exactly the same boat.... It got slaughtered by people who had their expectations way way too high and Lucas overcompensated and brought out the abominable AotC to "please" the fans! RotS was pure and simple fanservice NOT a good film!
I went into TLJ having despised TFA knowing that TLJ was not and could never be Star Wars because TFA had destroyed Star Wars - So I treated TLJ as just a generic Space Opera....And though it's still not great, take out the Star Wars expectations and it's fine.
RoS however is just a complete and utter MESS!
One of my biggest issues with Johnson, abrams and Kennedy is that they can't admit any fault with their work. Even if I loved a film I made, I would always be thinking it could've been better, no?
They dont care about being good. Take the money and run.
@@madmoonrabbit kk9
@@madmoonrabbit j
Yes!! Phenomenal point. It was just yesterday that I was watching the different videos that document Sylvester Stallone's re-working of Rocky IV. And I made the point that there is something refreshing when you listen to Stallone as he admits that he made some mistakes with the original R IV. He isn't so egotistical and prideful that he can't stand to defend the issues that have bothered him over the years. He admits his shortcomings regarding the film, and instead of feeling sorry for himself or pointing his finger at others, he owns his responsibility, learns from it, and uses it as motivation to make R IV better, and, as Stallone has said himself, the pandemic gave him the free time to work on Rocky IV: Rocky vs. Drago (that will have a special one night release on November 11). Kathleen Kennedy and friends could learn a lesson here, admit that mistakes were made while making the sequel trilogy, and then try and do something about it...i.e. try to make the films better (although I'm not really sure how they'd accomplish that). However, I'm sure that Hell would have to freeze over, thaw out, freeze over again (giving a snowball a chance in Hell), resulting in the death of the flying pigs that flew out of Satan's ass, all while people celebrated during the holiday called the first of never. Maybe I should have saved some time and just simply used the last word of the previous sentence to convey my point.
See once you make it to Hollywood your ego overtakes your personality and you lose your soul otherwise toy wouldn't be able to work with rich super elitists
As a female SW fan I agree, but they’ll just say we’ve internalized the misogyny. There’s really no reasoning with certain people.
This ^^^
Yeah, I mean Leia is beloved by star wars fans world wide for being a brave, fearless leader of the rebellion. She even gave Darth frickin Vader the middle finger by telling him of like a child and kicked some major ass both as a competent leader and on the front line.
And despite that, those retards still call the OT fans mysogynists. And if all fails, they allways bring up the slave outfit. I mean, did anyone of those idiots even watch the OT? Leia was put into that outfit by Jabba. It was a design choice that ultimately served in showing Jabbas utter lack of respect for others beings and especially slaves. It was never depicted as something positive and only served in making people hate Jabba for what he did to our beloved rebel hero. Which made the satisfaction of her killing him even better.
THAT is how you write a strong female character. Rey sKyWaLkEr is not. And don't get me started on Holdo....
@inlonging
It was weird how women like yourself it's weird how y'all were being gas-lit like that when you'd echo many criticisms of the sequels.
There's this false belief some women have that says "Women aren't valuable or valued.". So instead of looking within, they try to fix the external world to compensate. Sometimes by taking over the spaces that men typically occupy. Being in those spaces is fine if its authentic and natural. But I think often times its coming from the wounding and false beliefs, which leads to mis-creations.
and by "certain people" you mean SJW liberals who have pink hair and pronouns in their bios 😅
Just because we’re assholes doesn’t mean we’re wrong
This meme sums it up:
They hated jesus because he told them the truth
@@tyvamakes5226 I feel like thats incredibly assumptuous and complex to actually break down and apply to this... I like to think Jesus was pretty non aggressive and like an original Ghandi of sorts.
But agreed.
@@tyvamakes5226 Yeaaa I been smoking 😳... I dont think Jesus was in your face and bold etc is all I mean :)
@@MiraSubieGirl It's more so to the reaction of truth. In the words of Plato:
No one is more hated than he who speaks the truth
Amen brother! I never said to anyone, that i'm not a twat. But those movies suck big hairy cactuses.
Imagine making a sequel to one of the biggest franchises of all time, and one of its original creators tells you she hates it. 😱
Ouch
Bruh
Yeah, watching his ex cry after she saw Phantom Menace must have really punched George's nads hard!
@@lookingforwookiecopilot its about the sequels
@@mala6238 No, she cried about the prequels. There's more to the story. Seems she hates everything after her divorce.
It's not even killing off Luke, Han, and Lea that was the issue, it is _how_ they killed them off. Han basically walks straight into his death, and the other two essentially die by getting too tired. Their deaths don't really accomplish anything either. It doesn't help that the new cast of charicters isn't very good. Finn is the one that really had potential, but then they didn't use it. Rey felt like a video game charicter: a mostly blank slate for the player to insert theirself into.
Finn had no potential 😂 None of them did.
And how about not everyone in the same scene together?
Leia I get because Carrie Fisher passed so anything other than what they did would be impossible to pull off without the creepy CGI uncanny face, but I see your point about the other two even I personally didn’t mind how Han or Luke died. Han went in to try and get his son back, which I found really powerful even if it didn’t work (until later).
Luke was always going to be controversial because there was no way they could please people in a way where he goes in thematically great way and one where we get badass OP Luke from legends. It’s the same thing that people experienced when the prequels came out. People for years saw Darth Vader as this mysterious figure who probably had a super badass backstory, then when the prequels actually came out there was absolutely no possible way the movie could satisfy what people built Vader’s past to be. So I’m not really mad that Luke was a hermit, it was better to set the bar low than try to actually live up to the hype (look what happen with Mary Poppins Leia). It gives the film more longevity because when all this hate and anger cools down over the years (like it did with the prequels) people will begrudgingly realize that there was no way to live up to what he was built up as over the years, even if the execution was meh.
@@cantthinkofaname5046 There was no huge problems in base elements of Vaders origin story itself, it was the general execution, bad dialogue etc. that affected prequels as a whole. Those movies were not totally stupid or ruined, just mostly disappointing because they had more potential and quite interesting world.
Lucas seemed more interested about green screen and CGI than refining character and story elements which in the end are the most interesting elements of those stories, instead of latest visual candy which looked dated not long after those movies came out. Seeing Yoda twirling from wall to wall like a slinky in washing machine is really not that interesting in the end, most long action scenes were just boring. E.g. Marcia Lucas really seems to have better grasp of that side of storytelling and what is actually important and compelling to the audience.
The actual badass phase of Vader started at that point when prequels ended so they could hardly even ruin that.
Luke on the other hand e.g. would have been somewhat easy to safe just by making him end himself in blaze of glory instead of being too tired of that astral projection. (Not that it made sense to him to go and live as a hermit while leaving map of his location behind in the first place.)
There were several easy ways to end the stories of those old timers but all were wasted.
Problem in Disney's version in many parts seemed to be internal politics and indifference towards the story while they have big wallet to pull all kinds of tricks if needed.
They did not try to tell compelling story but directors mostly ticked boxes in sheet created by committee. They planned a trilogy but clearly did not even have general story arch in mind and locked down in advance, but e.g. Johnson could just go and create his solo movie in middle of trilogy. But at least JJ Abrams had his famous mystery boxes, how that worked out for Lost? xD
First movie was rehash of New Hope so there was no originality, and they clearly had agenda to push down any old characters no matter how popular they were (e.g. R2D2) because Disney did not get full royalties from those.
If I was Harrison Ford I’d have lobbied for Han to walk to his death also, so I could get out of these fucking terrible films…
one of the things that hurts me the most about the sequels is how much it devalues the previous movies and devalues every story told past the OT in Legends
@bastiat dude what?
@bastiat that's a lot of bloody stereotyping right there. I can tell a clear difference between Athrun Zala and Vegeta. Just like there's a clear difference between Starkiller and Kyle Katarn. Enjoy your shitty Disney Canon, I'll stick with the real Star Wars thanks.
@@VisionsOfSpy Kyle Katarn and Galen Marek are awesome characters. I absolutely love legends.
The sequel trilogy was a cash grabbing middle finger to the essence of Star Wars. Utter sacrilegious dumpster fire.
@@M1garandmasterfor me they're just the expensive Disney Wattpad fanfics.
I wish I didn't hate Kennedy so much. It's honestly not a fun feeling to be so blown away by such horrible production choices. I'd take a semi-decent trilogy to being completely right and justified in my harsh, harsh criticism of this garbage trilogy.
Agreed. If this trilogy was even remotely interesting, I wouldn’t be complaining all this time later.
Feels, man. Feels.
That's how I feel about the prequels. Yeah there's some odd story telling choices and cringe stuff but it still feels like Star wars.
Though I could say the same about the Original trilogy too but I love it.
@@desmondrhea6942 They weren't perfect, but they had soul. Unlike the Disney Trilogy. The Disney Trilogy felt more like a spoof that wasn't funny. All the Lucas Films felt like there was even more going on that you weren't seeing, he implies a greater university. Disney Wars it didn't even seem like the characters thought the stakes were real most of the time.
@@calexander7495 God that's a perfect way of putting it.
If I'm such a misogynist, then why do I wish Marcia was put in charge of the sequel trilogy?
You don't like what the corporation gives you? Then of course you are a misogynist.
@@Seismitoad3 I think they were being sarcastic
@@brandonm1708 Sorry, I see that now.
@Bingo Duff What are you on about? The OT was made in the mid to late 70’s and I’ve never heard George say that the rebels were like Jihadists and the Empire being like America. George mentioned that the Empire was made to show parallels to Nazis. If you’re referring to the rebels being like the Afghan rebels fighting against the USSR, that happened several years after he made the OT so that doesn’t make sense. Plus even if that was the case, that in turn wouldn’t make George a leftist at all as he based the enemy off of a leftist regime (the USSR). If you knew your basic history and facts, you’d know that most if not all leftist beliefs and policies are the exact same as the USSR and Nazi’s.
@Bingo Duff
Finally he says it - the Empire did nothing wrong.
Remember kids. It’s only a high budget fan fiction, if the original writers and directors aren’t part of the team.
Yes that’s why I can’t accept the new movies, it happened without the core.
Rogue One deserves some love though.
It's important to clarify that I'd rather have a cohesive story than new movies. So if you ask me, I rather have 6 movies only and no rogue one or sequels. (Yes I know Lucas contradicted himself, proof of that was the Clone Wars making a huge lore mistake)
Yup.
Then Legends it's fan fiction? Because Lucas never wrote any Legends content
The fact that you can almost take down an entire franchise established and cherished for over 30y in just 3 movies that have a timeline span of 2y in a story that’s like 2000 years long is just unbelievable .
It is called concentration of power
I wish i could live in a Multiverse where Lucas Films was never sold to Disney.
Same here.
I wish i could live in a multiverse where star wars does not exist!
If I could make the next SW film I would show the sequels were just a shitty movie Jar Jar had made and was showing to his friends who all laughed at it.
To be fair, the Lucas prequels were also shit, and to be brutally honest, _The Return of the Jedi_ has a lot of parts we all love to skip.
The Star Wars games they had set up before it was sold to Disney looked amazing. A Darth Maul games, another Jedi Knight game with Kyle Katarn, another Battlefront among others. All Disney did was release angry birds and a poor Battlefront game that only cared about microtransactions.
The 10th movie needs to start with Luke waking up from a bad dream (which is the sequels) and realizes the future he must prevent. The future where he loses his old friends and his own life.
Yep. I really hope that if they move forward with the movies, they retcon this awful trilogy. Or maybe they could use the mandalorian to change the canon or something. Those 3 movies are a total mess and there's no way you can make something good out of that story as it is and as it ended.
@@cristiandita2382 Sadly, there will never be any more main movies, but I just want George Lucas to show us what he would've done with them
@@bliots8369 lol absolutely not true. There will 100% be more main movies because Disney likes their money. I just think they are trying to wait a little bit to let the sequels hate die down so people will get excited at episode 10 or whatever else they have planned. And hey I would be excited if they showed signs of actually being good.
@@cristiandita2382 they’ll probably have to, but even that, they will carry the stigma.
I deadass had the though that if I ever had the money in this world to buy out Star Wars from Disney just for the hell of it I would make a new “true” sequel trilogy starting like that
While Lucas can’t legally say what he wants to originally, his ex-wife has more than a few bombshells to drop on them.
I wonder if Disney is going to scramble their attorneys to "silence" (or make a sad attempt to) any criticism of these trash films.
Lol ex-wifi
I wonder if George and her talk and he is like "do you ever want to tell people about the things we agree on?"
Can you point to EVIDENCE George can't "speak"?
I wonder if he was so backed up he actually made a deal and gave her something she's wanted so she'd speak up. Given his issues depicting people's interactions I'm not sure he'd think of it but she could've easily known as much and made the offer to him.
Truth be told I've been expecting them to bring him back to head Lucasfilm at least as a major show of faith to the fans but GL's greatest strength is not organizational and he'd much rather have some creative role going forward. On the other hand we've got the *Perfect* antidote to KK and her toxic fake activism in the former Mrs Lucas...who _does_ get people and _is_ very good at the Big Picture stuff (no pun intended.)
It's my hope they hire _her_ on to clean house at Lucasfilm and bring George back in a more than figure head role (if ironically technically working for a woman he's rightfully scared of, and can keep him from making another Jar-Jar...)
We really do owe George Lucas an apology
George owes us an apology for selling star wars off instead of finishing the story.
He knew this would happen and it's his revenge to all those fans that criticized him for everything from changing parts of the OT to the prequels and Jar Jar.
@@BoleDaPoleidk man, movies are a lot of work, and if you put like 10 years of your heart and soul into those prequel trilogies and a bunch of fans just dank meme you or go "eh its alright," you'd be kinda done.
Plus, Disney originally said they were going to base it off his script and ideas for the new movies, and after they bought Lucasfilm, Disney just kinda gave him the finger and ran with whatever they wanted.
George owes us an apology for not allowing the Originals to be remastered and rereleased. Instead, we are stuck with the steaming turns that are the Special Editions.
George owes us an apology for Jar Jar, the little kid, Hayden, the overall terrible dialogue of the Prequels and most of all: all of the idiotic changes to the original trilogy.
@@HabitualJoker get Harmy's Despecialized Editions of the original trilogy.. they are fan edits (I know, but stick with me) that are amazing, HD, beautifully done and true to the theatrical releases, no bullshit added or changed. They're the only versions I watch
I can just imagine Governor Tarkin looking down on the Sequel Trilogy and turns to an officer: "You may fire when ready."
Imperial Officer: *Launches beam with glorious smile*
*Grand Moth Tarkin
@@Top_Hat_Walrus *Moff
@@Avatar_Roku I'd gladly be that imperial officer lol.
@@Top_Hat_Walrus he was a Governor as well
"Would you change anything in your script or do you stand by all your choices?"
"Nope, stand by every choice"
Just that tells me everything I need to know. A real artist is always their own biggest critic because if you look back at your own work and see no room for improvement, you won't improve.
You're exactly right. I'm an author and there's a plague of "writers" who won't even listen to their editors when it comes to basic stuff like correcting typos.
To be fair, TLJ is perfect as it is.
@@pyerack agree to disagree then!
@@pyerack yes I agree 🤘 may the Force be with you!
@@i-deni-i5138 you mean the last jedi? Yeah imma say this, I'm no critic, I enjoy just about every movie (even the shit ones) but my God TLJ wad criticized for being so bad by multiple UA-camrs whos entire job is to criticize movies if they're good or bad, and gave explicit details on why, you can like the movie, but think twice
Anakin is perfect because he's flawed. Rey is flawed because she's perfect.
That comment is flawlessly perfect 😂👌🏻
Couldnt have said it better!!
Both sucked
Rey was fine.
@@micahwright5901 ...Before the Last Jedi
Im an artist, I work in MANY different mediums. Ive NEVER EVER EVER NEVER EVER made something, considered it 'finished' and thought "yea, theres NOTHING I could have done to improve it". Infact, I usually keep trying to improve it until it is forcibly taken from me for a deadline. And when that happens I feel regret for not getting everything I envisioned executed perfectly. The fact that Rian thinks he made an objectively perfect film should be a sign to any creative person how little he cared or tried.
The thing I will never forgive them for is that they had a chance to have JUST ONE SCENE with the entire original cast and they blew it. Honest to God, wtf were they thinking.
That they were almost dead, a bad investment, and didnt realise that star wars is a nostalgia machine. They wanted to replace them with young fresh stars that could make them billions. It boils down to money, not passion for film making
I'll never forgive them that they had a chance to make a sequel trilogy WITH THE ORIGINAL CAST and they blew it. Now there will never be another Star Wars movie with the original main cast.
@@4Leka I agree that a sequel trilogy would be amazing with the original cast(Because it wouldn't really be a sequel without them) but at the same time I do think that we need new characters to come in and be the highlights of the movies. However, NOTHING like what we got because that was garbage.
@@rowdeemunkee Yeah, it's silly that they didn't even see the opportunity to have the old cast act as mentor figures for the new cast or something, before killing them off in a "passing of the torch" kind of moment. Like how Ben trained Luke before he was killed, Luke could've trained Rey before he was killed off, etc.
Yes
I love how there’s a whole 5-10 minute scene in a new hope showing Luke learning the basics of the force with obi-wan and half a film showing him train with yoda yet the sequels fans just didn’t watch that I guess
On the other hand Rey uses the force without knowing what the force is and is better than every force user in history because “she’s a powerful woman”
@@mattmurphy7030 that is nothing near to what rey did lol, did you even listen to yourself? Luke barely used something he knew very little about (whilst still having a bit if training) to aid that missiles path. Rey had 0 training if I remember correctly and managed to influence all of those rocks with relative ease. Completely different.
@@mattmurphy7030 if anything, that example of yoda that you pulled is more directly comparable to what rey did. She should have needed to have similar levels of training and skill in the force to yoda to pull off what she did, but she didn't. As I already said, all luke did was alter the course of an already moving missile, which is realistically a LOT easier. You can't say he is as overpowered, especially since he is the son of the most powerful man in the galaxy.
@@zaneturner5277 Not to mention that Yoda itself struggles to lift and move big heavy objects, we see all the time he does that, it did not come without a cost, in mandalorian too, "baby yoda" just pass out every time he does it, and he been trained for a while before going underground. These sequels really dont make sense
@@zaneturner5277 Even not that. He actually just used force to get premonition when to pull the trigger instead of computer calculated trajectory. He even didn't guide it or anything. Just used the skill to know when to press fire button.
@@zaneturner5277 you...you do realize that comment was mocking people who actually say those things, rather than their own opinion, right?
That title puts a smile to my face.
too clickbaity
Same here.
@@presleybaldwin3756 I agree putting M. Lucas would of been a more appropriate title to avoid the click bait, still enjoyed the content a fine addition to my collection Of videos dunking on the Disney dumpster fire
@@justforlaughs6182 Yeah, I agree. I don't like Clickbait.
Couldn’t agree more
Sometimes, I wish Kathleen Kennedy would just come out and say, "I did it for a truck ton of money. I didn't care about the story. I just wanted the cash." Because I can't believe that she feels like these choices were actually good. But if her defense was, "I was getting enough money to build my own laser sword thing and enough money to test it on any planet I wanted to.", at least I would understand her motivation.
The one thing we must understand about us humans is that only the truly wise know where they are limited. The vast majority honestly believes its own judgement in any area, to be as good as anyone else's. In short: Intellectually limited people don't know they are limited.
She's a political activist. And tf up
That would never happen because she is a hardcore feminist and did what she did for those beliefs as much as for money. I'd be prepared to bet that she'd stand by the films because they were written with so many women's input irrespective of their success because 'even women failing in Hollywood is an improvement on them not getting their chance'. In other words, it matters not if a beloved franchise loved by hundreds of millions of people worldwide is forever ruined if it meant more women made money in Hollywood. It's an abominable attitude. It's also done *no* good for feminism as it's only made women look appalling at creativity - and don't forget that she had the best of the best to hire and every desire to do all she could to make women look great.
@@KeldorDAntrell she's a creep. You don't politicize a movie that has nothing to do with that stuff. She just happened to do it with one of the great movie series in history.
@@Braylon18 whilst politicize is a meaningless word, there’s already strong female characters in star wars
Rey was mind-controlling in her first week….before her first lesson from a Jedi. She fought a Sith as well, and beat the shit out of him…first week. Basically a Jedi is an easily learned joke.
She also picked the wrong lightsaber colour and went against the thingy about having no attachments
Looking at that story board was disgusting
@@puellamservumaddominum6180 Now imagine Rian Poopson explaining it with his stupid laugh 🤢🤮
@TheLatiosnlatias02 you mean the guy trained by darth vader in person?
@TheLatiosnlatias02 i dont get your original comment, i thought it was a "starkiller was a bigger gary stu than rey" so i replied reminding you that ir was actually trained by vader, sorry if i got it wrong
Rey calling herself a skywalker is just another slap on the face
I rolled my eyes at that moment, and released a sad 😔.
still better than the prequels
@@reek4062 If you're a not a fan of SW then you can stay out. Saying the Sequels are better than Prequels is a sign that you don't follow lore and characteristics.
@@hitsurei I was a SW fan until I was 12. I don't care aboot the stupid SW lore, but I do care aboot characters and only one trilogy has good characterization
@@hitsurei Agreed
I mean, George Lucas can’t say how he really feels about Disney’s corporate fiction, beyond that “White Slavers” quote from the Charlie Rose interview which he later had to reel back from due to him not being able to speak out against them as a result of his contract with Disney after selling his company to them, so George Lucas’s ex-wife saying how she feels about those films is the second best thing we can get regarding someone who was involved with the franchise from the beginning.
Yep! Everyone else still has money involved 👍
I mean we have Mark Hamill and George Lucas who have clearly alluded they hate the sequels (George literally boycotted TROS’s premiere) so Marsha Lucas being so blunt is icing on the cake really
As usual @Jared, your comments are 100% spot on, mate.
@@alcarbo8613 Agreed. Marcia Lucas' comments are a delight, but I think we could already 100% trust Mark Hamill on the matter. The guy clearly understands storytelling and how to connect with the audience on an emotional level... something that JJ and Egghead Johnson clearly don't.
We're all pissed at Kathleen and JJ but honestly hate to say it but.... George Sold Star Wars to DISNEY.... He chose money over the fans... Sad but he caused all this.
The prequels had great ideas, good storytelling, original ideas, and interesting dynamics between many characters! That is still more you can say about the sequels!
“It was pretty tough to try and bring this story to a satisfying ending.”
But they did in Return of the Jedi so beautifully for everyone, especially Luke and Anakin. As far as I’m concerned, that’s where the series ended and where Luke’s story ended.
Agreed. I would love a proper sequel trilogy that used Lucas' ideas, but since we got a heaping pile garbage instead, the original trilogy is where it ended for me. Though the shows haven't been bad so far, so until they start setting up the sequel trilogy, I'll count them as cannon.
@@eternal7912 Honestly I blame no one but Lucas for this. Not sure why he sold the franchise
@@greyngreyer5 money
@@greyngreyer5 Because it was the fans. If you didn't know, George was getting BATTED by the fans which more than definitely led to him just selling it off to Disney, who more than definitely wanted Star Wars.
@@greyngreyer5 it was the fans reaction to the prequels. if only people werent stupid and realized they were good in the first place we would have gotten a sequel trilogy from Lucas himself
Ironically, the sequel trilogy describes itself in one line:
thats not how the force works!
Shit, “that’s not how it works” in general is also good. LIGHTSPEED SKIPPING IS SO FUCKING STUPID
At least Marcia isnt under a Disney contract so she can say what she wants
I find your lack of Revenge Of the Prequels disturbing....
@Lightsaber328 TheMan What happened?
General Nomz! You are a bold one!
The irony about Star Wars is it's supposed to be an escape from real life, but the sequels just hold up a magnifying glass to it instead. Greed, letdowns, disrespect, and ideologies everywhere. That's how they failed to understand Star Wars, actually they failed to understand what art is
Excellent observation! And they are doing the same with the Andor series... For me it is getting more and more unwatchable... There is an inter racial lesbian romance developing in these series... Why, for god's sake?
As much as I despise the sequels, I couldn't disagree more with your idea of what real ART is. The original trilogy is rooted in real life, real people, real problems, real human responses, and very real deep philosophical questions. It is a sci-fi, so it is fantastic in its settings, but other than that it is as real as it comes.
@@VelhaGuardaTricolor I don’t think art is about doing the dishes and going to a dead end job, while in Star Wars he saves a princess and becomes a knight who is trained by a wizard, and hearing music you would never hear in daily life and the possibilities are endless that shouldn’t be restricted to stupid identity politics and skin color
@@chaserivera1623 Creating a man of straw in order to make your case, shows how weak your argument actually is.
Nobody is talking about doing the dishes.
nor applauding the mess created by JJ and KK.
My point is to remind you that your are wrong when you say ART is not about reality but fantasy only.
STAR WARS didn't start as an empty fantasy only. There were politics, rebellion, Luke struggling as a young man with his family, grief, temptation to use the easy path ( DARK SIDE = VIOLENCE and TYRANT ) The choice of building bridges with the ones we love but are in conflict and helping them to see the light. ( Luke and Vader )
So you see. Reality is what makes great movies, great movies. It is not because of reality that the ST sucks so damn much, but because of lack of understanding or respect for the franchise.
Take the top 2 IMDB movies by vote.
The Shawshank Redemption and The Godfather
Both deal with very real things.
If you are too young or weak to deal with reality, stick with Harry Potter and LOTR by all means. I won't be the one to criticize you for it. Just don't assume it applies to everyone, just bc it applies to you.
I hope you can understand my point, if you disagree, please let me know where I got it wrong. Cheers!
@@VelhaGuardaTricolor I think the things grounded in reality in star wars are outnumbered by fantastical things, at the end of the day many people have boring miserable lives where star wars can give them their spirit back. Rian johnson's treatment of luke skywalker was pretty realistic if you ask me, most old men are bitter hermits. Only in our imagination could there be hero luke like in ROTJ. In a world filled with hateful woke people, all I want to do is escape. Disney star wars characters are very spiteful just like 25% of people I could run into in college. In the OT characters are unrealistically hopeful because... fuck real life. And if you tell me you watched star wars for its harsh reality and how it relates to your life instead of the adventure and escape that's just strikes me as a person who should watch nonfiction
It doesn't matter what George Lucas, Marcia Lucas, Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford, or for that matter -anyone- involved in the original trilogy will say about the ST. It's defenders will block up their ears and scream "LALALALALA, I CAN'T HEAR YOU" at the top of their lungs, and push their own narrative. It's a culture war, they're purposefully destroying one of the most successful franchises in the world, and the damage is already done.
In fact, star wars was rarely known of *politics of today.* It was either the story, the characters or the choreography.
The sequels is *that,* but without the latter sentence.
They all argue the same shit. "The sequels are great" "the prequels were worse" "George Lucas has been washed for 40 years" and my personal favorite, "what makes Star Wars *_Star Wars?"_*
I've wasted hours of my life debating and it's the same brainlet people.
Damn. He should have pinned this comment.
The battle for this nations soul is very real. And peope care more about TLJ then what's going on in their nation.
Absolutely, but remember, the original trilogy ended with RotJ, so we can still watch and celebrate it, without moving onto the last 3 abortions...👍
The cultural revolution never stops
Heck, I'm willing to go with the idea that the Disney Trilogy was created in the back of Indy's mind as he was rolling around in a fridge.
That movie is like Rocky V, it didn't happen.
That would explain how Indy wasn't hurt or burned at all. All of it was transmogrified into the Disney Trilogy.
Oh shit🤣🤣 okay that's a good thought experiment.. in lue of that I can accept the trilogies 🤣🤣🤣
Godamn dude. That's a good joke for real
The brain damage of being banged around like that could definitely produce garbage of that magnitude.
Would have been preferable to just have Indy die in that fridge and end the movie there.
The clip of Rian saying he wouldnt change anything always makes me smirk. Any true artist never really feels his work is perfect. So the fact he wouldnt have changed anything just highlights how short sighted he is.
Hes a very flawed individual all-round.
He better hope I don't see him in public
George Lucas said the same thing about his movies.
He did admit that his movies aren't perfect, but that he wouldn't change anything about them.
It's _entirely possible_ Rian's thinking the same way.
And we're all flawed individuals. Don't be a jerk and criticize a person for the movie they had a part in making. Criticize the movie.
10000%
@@shailonnoelle7175 why, what would you do?
Totally agreed. There is only one thing they could have done to make me feel less disappointed in this trainwreck. HOW CAN YOU HAVE ALL OF THE ORIGINAL ACTORS AND KILL THEM OFF WITHOUT A GODDAMN REUNION?!?!?!
And for that matter, R2 needed A LOT more screen time. He was one of the most important characters in the prequel *and* original series. Anakin/Vader, Obi-Wan (as a ghost), 3PO, and R2 were--just thinking off the top of my head--the only characters in all six previous movies. Of those, the droids were the only ones still around.
What really irks me is the extremely lazy world building, like "oh The Empire is back but they're called the 'First Order' now" like what?!?!?! It completely invalidates the ending of the OG trilogy.
You have that backwards. The OG trilogy completely invalidates the sequels.
@@fostxswire1600 ?????
@@elijahproto they mean it makes the sequels invalid as stories because the ending of RotJ doesn't logically flow into the Disney Trilogy, therefore the setup for the Disney Trilogy doesn't work.
@@romeohio19 yeah I think u may have a point but empires do come and go and come again. The Japanese Empire, The Spanish Empire, The British Empire, the American Empire etc etc
Yeah it’s been bothering me for the longest time.
Star Wars really deserved better.
What a huge missed opportunity.
@@suzygirl1843 That would've been so sick, Finn being the deuteragonist was a weird choice IMO
Massive missed opportunity. All they had to manage was mediocre and it would have been fine. And instead they made them abysmal.
OT: films that changed cinema, ground breaking, and remained as timeless classics.
PT: Flawed but had some effort put in to expand the universe of star wars, still has some iconic moments and characters that what still makes star wars a greater franchise as a whole.
ST: just some fanfiction that J.J abrams and Rian Johnson had magnetized up on their refridgerator.
Fan fiction is giving it WAY too much credit. It was a cash cow, plain and simple
Yeah I would consider the force unleashed games to be fan fiction but the sequel trilogy is a fever dream. Minus the first order jet trooper cuz that dude is awesome in battlefront 2
hard to call it fan fiction when rian went on record to say he’s not a star wars fan
Revenge of the Sith is seriously in the same class as OT for me. The more I watch the more I enjoy it. Phantom is genuinely bad except for Qui-Gon and Maul, Clones is enjoyable. Revenge of the Sith is a masterpiece.
@@paulfear7860
What about Attack of the Clones?
Not only do I not treat the sequel trilogy as non-canon, but also some of the live-action shows. I want a world in which Luke successfully restarts the Jedi Order and popular characters like Rex and Ahsoka aren't just forgotten about. It's a crime we didn't even get a reunion with Han, Luke, and Leia! Instead of the First Order being Empire 2.0, a much more creative antagonist, along with characters who get actual development, should be used. And keep the theme much more positive. The original trilogy ended on a high note and had a positive tone throughout, as good triumphed over evil; the sequels basically erased everything that happened in that trilogy and somehow resulted in us being back to square one.
Marcia: I hated the prequels
J.J.: lmao
Marcia: but compared to the SEQUELS…
J.J.: oh no
Didn't like the sequels but I might be able to watch them again. You couldn't pay me to watch the prequels.
@@samuraigeorge71 Don't know anything about that.... do know that if KK continues like this; Lucasfilm is yet another dead limp on Disney. Like Lucasfilm only has 2 franchises under it's wing... they already messed up Star Wars to the point that the fans they made the big bucks from have just moved on; (maybe they may do a behind the scenes with KK 'how to kill a franchise') and what I've heard of Indiana Jones.... yeah I think that fanbase will be gone too by the time Indy 5 comes out.... what are they gonna do then? Gonna go with the vagina fedora Pwb 😂 yeah good luck trying to convince the fans you get the big buck from (that doesn't include the mentally ill twitter people) that 'Phoebe is just as cool as Harrison'.... yeah good luck with that 😂😂😂
@@samuraigeorge71 HELLO THERE
@@samuraigeorge71 I refuse to watch the first act of Attack of the Clones.
Compare that to my refusal to watch the entirety of the sequels besides literally 2 opening scenes in The Force Awakens.
Sad for JJ, he did it a good Star Wars movie, but Ryan Johnson destroy it with the horrible Episode VIII
I think the sequel trilogy are the thoughts that darth sidious had as he was plummeting to his death
headcanon
I love that idea, and it adds some humor with the fact that he loses in his own daydream.
@@Dee-nonamnamrson8718 it could be that when he died in the sequels was the same time in witch he was fried in the death star core
Someone else made a comment of the Disney trilogies being a faded dream of indy tumbling around in that fridge🤣🤣 good jokes
@@enragedgoop so does that mean that after return of the Jedi, Han Solo returned to his home planet and changed his name to Indiana Jones.
At least with the prequels. The lore is kept mostly intact. How things work, how it all fits together. It’s all actually fleshed out a lot more. Even with bad script, some bad acting and all that it still manages to bring a lot more depth to this galaxy far far away. Which also gave rise to some of the best Star Wars we have ever gotten based on the prequel time period such as the clones wars and a lot of legends stuff.
Basically what I’m trying to say is the prequels stayed within the Star Wars universes lore. The sequels threw all lore out the window which is what annoyed so many.
And dancing with glow sticks
Knights of the Old Republic games still stand much taller above both the prequels and the sequels. So do the novels of Timothy Zahn and some others.
Yeah, plot wise the prequels are awesome. Acting is dialogue are just crazy
@@JonahNelson7
Crazy good you mean? I don't know what to do without the memes it created.
@@JonahNelson7 the dialogue was georges take at poetry, came out sounding like a fanboy wet dream lmfao but thats what gave it the gold flavour
8:34 whoever had the genius idea to say "Dinosaurs!" is an absolute legend
Originally in the finale of A New Hope, the rebels just fly off to battle the Death Star somewhere in space. It was Marcia Lucas’s brilliant idea in the editing room to have the Death Star attempting to destroy Yavin 4 to raise the stakes and suspense. She took a lot of footage of Peter Cushing during the Alderaan destruction scene and re-worked it for the Battle of Yavin. She is one of the biggest reasons why Star Wars turned out larger-than-life.
"I like Kathy, I always liked her" we notice: Present.
"She was really smart and really bright". Savage.
A single word, "was." I don't care what universe you're from, that's gotta hurt!
Rian: "his actual, based-on-his-words-and-actions character"
Luke: "They're my friend's! I've gotta help them."
Me: "...."
*genocidal galactic dictator*
“There is good in him I can sense it.”
*tries to kill nephew cuz of a bad dream*
@@ottovonbearsmark8876 i could even get behind that if they showed why he became an asshole. like give him motivation that's the key. you cant subvert expectations without building the expectations. all the "subversion" in the sequel trilogy doesn't build its own subversion in their movies. Instead they really lean on the expectations of people watching the previous movies for their subversion which just pisses people off instead of moving them deeper into your show. Also for things to go wrong you want your antagonist to make something clever happen or to be stronger. For example if you look at the first half of Game of Thrones every time something goes wrong its not because of a poor choice made its because someone used the character for their own gain and outsmarted them AND PEOPLE LOVE IT. where as latter in the series everyone makes mistake affter mistake and people hate it because it feels like the smart people are now just dumb and guess what people HATED it. Same in star wars.
@@ottovonbearsmark8876 Didnt try. Pay attention.
Kathleen seemed more concerned with what to wear to the premier than how the actual movies turned out lmao.
Hottest take: the sequels would have been much better if Finn was the Jedi, and he was the one that went on a vision quest with Luke and actually got trained. Then we had a cohesive story about him leading the resistance.
This!!!! I keep saying this! Honestly I felt a bit betrayed when I realised Rey was going to be the Jedi, because I felt like all the teasers for ep7 were setting up Finn for it and I was so exicted for a former Stormtrooper Jedi. I also feel like Rey could have been super cool as a Han Solo-type character (even though it seemed like Poe was already kinda filling that spot), with her bonding with Han, flying the Millenium Falcon so expertly, etc
I mean, its a cool idea, but there was a lot of other things that needed to be fixed to, mostly just the way they treated the old characters and the way the told the story. I could of enjoyed what they tried to do if they just didn't do it so terribly and with such inconsistency, with all the changes just between 7 and 8, where it seemed like Rian wanted to just do everything he could to derail the trilogy and fuck up every plot thread that JJ gave him... not that any of them were particularly great. Snoke could of been interesting though
So true, when the force awakens was marketed I thought Finn would be the new Jedi because he has the fucking lightsaber in the movie poster, not Rey. What a let down
It could've been a great reworking of Kyle Katarn's story
or if Finn did anything. Literally anything. It's forgotten after 7 that he used to be a storm trooper and he's just shoved in the background for the rest of the two movies with in 9 it being hinted at that he's force sensitive but nothing happens out of it.
9:28
This shit cracked me up, and proves the fact that people who like the sequels are brain dead.
“Luke, Vader, Anakin or Yoda”
Like you mentioned Anakin twice ffs
It was one bright point in a twitter parade of complete, utter, blackpilling dumb.
(I guess 'complete, utter, blackpilling dumb' is redundant when I already mentioned the word 'twitter')
@@vermis8344 want some prequel memes in different manner?
"Dinosaurs, feelings." Someone got paid to yell that about star wars.
Well there is the zillo beast
Wandering, for the next movie will it be on that board in SW Wishes “JaJa Abrams killed by force spirit of Darth Vader” ?🤔
this never stops making me smile and be sad at the same time, a Lucas smashing down on the sequel trilogy but it sucks that we need this and not having a wonderful trilogy to celebrate and care about for the next years is what makes me sad
Some of the shows and movies not attached to these three are good, probably because the guys running them worked with Mr. Lucas.
It hurts to think that Star Wars has been mutilated into something that is unrecognizable from what it originally was. I really miss Star Wars.
*downloaded all three this week, have no regrets at all. The sequel trilogy is a HIGHLANDER2 sized snafu.
{do people even remember HIGHLANDER2? ..no..? ..good>that's the same sort of repect that the sequel trilogy deserves.}
Same here. But it would at least be nice if the fans could expand on SW.
Lucas was proud of the fact that SW fans expanded on the SW universe with new books and ideas. Lucas was encouraging the fans. Disney, on the other hand, is barely allowing SW based themes on secular UA-cam channels.
I grew up living, dreaming, cheerleading all things star wars, even the campy holiday special. I had xwings and the falcon painted on my celling as a kid, my friends and I played 'star wars' in the late 70's instead of 'army or cowboys and Indians', as soon as West End Games came out with a SW RPG we played in the 'galaxy far, far, away' for countless hours. I bought ever novel that is now called 'legends'. SW was the first three movies I bought for my first VCR and then I played them constantly, even falling asleep with them playing. Then Disney bought the franchise. I had high hopes for a resurgence in all things SW. Lo though, did I fail to understand that the House of Mouse is thick with the dark side; it's sith leader coming in the guise of a smiling women claiming to have a vision. And that vision not only worked to morph the franchise into something...something horrible, it also actually achieved it in most accounts. The Force Awakens came and I watched. I visibly cringed when Rey damaged the Falcon. I thought that the movie had potential, yet there was something; some unease in the Force that I couldn't identify but I put it down to new ideas and new faces, willing to give into the benefit of doubt. Rogue One came out and I thought, 'now here's a good SW movie'. One that felt like the SW I grew up with and knew well. That feeling of relief was shattered when The Last Jedi premiered. It felt 'wrong', somehow. 'Stupid' was my second thought, then true horror seeped in. I understood. This Kennedy lady's plan was to corrupt the franchise; turn it into some social platform for right wrongs done to her as a young girl or something. Or simply that she truly, honestly, was never a SW fan, let alone understood the flavor and spirit of the franchise. It was a terrible feeling, this one. Solo came out and, despite the loads of bad press and reviews, I found that I enjoyed it and that it too, held a lot of the old magic. Perhaps there was hope yet. That hope was dashed, again, buried and defecated on in truth, by The Rise of Skywalker. Ten minutes into the movie I got up and did the thing I would never, ever have dreamed of doing as a kid, as a young adult, as an adult. I walked out and demanded a refund. To this day I have yet to finish watching that horror show. If it weren't for the plan of Kennedy, I'd have chucked it up to a pack of amateurs' who never read or watched any of Lucas' earlier works. While no excuse, ignorance is what it is. This farce of Kennedy's vision however, is intentional. Blatantly and clearly so.
There's still hope. Mando is tight, Ahsoka could be good. Obi wan show too. 🤷♂️
@@SrbijaCG
Don't like how he copyrighted 'droid' though, but that Lucas had some business sense.
Glad to find people who have been part of the movies, who dislike the sequel trilogy as much as we do.
Me too
theres more of them, they're just under an NDA (Mark Hammil)
Man... I fell in love with star wars growing up. They were the source of many awesome moments and memories, Today I've shown my kids the originals but I've never once even suggested they watch anything other than those. I can only hope they get one bit of the wonderment I got out of them with none of the sadness I felt when they were ruined. I genuinely feel bad for anyone whos first impression of the films were what we have to offer today, they don't even know.
I would prefer people who have been part of the movies, who like the sequel trilogy as much as you should.
@jayo1212 why should you like them? They're terrible.
The part where everybody's in the room spitballing ideas and they put diversity on the board twice I'm willing to bet they can't name the person who defeated Darth Revan
Lol! They couldn't even name the home planet of Luke. It's a bunch of hollyweird elite in control and they saw an opportunity to add blacks and women into a space fantasy. If they make another movie then Rey will be a lesbian and Chewie is transgendered. And the virtue signaling fans will eat it up.
@@gangisspawn1 true I guess that would be a question for an actual Star Wars fan
Well, diversity is will be absolutely great for Star Wars. Stop rasism! Enough of this humans cast bullshit! Give some screentime to the twi'leks of color (in bikini)! Stop hiding them, you brutes! You just afraid of twi'leks girl power!
@@lolnoobus I support u and stand with you in every step
@@lolnoobus we should convince people to join hutt space they will be like Oprah with the twi'leks you get a twi'lek. plus they are equal opportunity slavers we all know where we stand with the huts
These films should be shown to every student studying to become a filmmaker as a masterclass in how not to make a trilogy, a film, and a story.
Imagine destroying an entire series that has about 45+ years of worth lore that created many happy memories for a few generations of kids and adults. Then saying you’re happy about how it ended? I’m sure you are happy because it almost destroyed your career and Disney had a bit buyers remorse.
Say what you will about the prequels, the stories were better than the sequels, by a lot. I've always said George Lucas was a victim of his own success. How do you say "no" to the man who created Star Wars, Indiana Jones, the leading most respected special effects house in the world, ILM, and THX sound systems? He needed someone who would challenge and push him to be better. Even so, the prequels are still orders of magnitude better than the Disney films.
@@jongoff7829 I wasn’t talking about the prequels. My comment was specifically about the sequels that Disney made after they purchased the rights to Star Wars. Kathleen Kennedy said she was happy about how the sequels ended. I do have my gripes about Lucas selling his baby aka Star Wars but to late for that.
I would imagine it’s a coping method. I better to live in denial and spoilt corporate PR speak rather than admitting you singlehandedly destroyed a multi billion dollar franchise beloved by many inside of 5 years.
It's almost like the sequel trilogy was always bad. Some people just refuse to admit it.
"satisfying conclusion"
lol
this woman is the one that really lives in another galaxy far far away, in her head
We had that conclusion it was called Return of the Jedi.
The problem I see with many who “defend” these films, and many others like it, is the blatant, found-less and aggressive rejection of any criticism. They refuse to engage in a healthy debate, or defend their actions in a logical and intelligent way. They just attack the character of anyone who disagrees with them. And they seemingly get away with it. Who is hiring these people? Who is approving of these people’s actions that they think it is acceptable? This level of arrogance, stupidity and entitlement is seriously dangerous man.
"Bringing all this to satisfying conclusion is one of the most difficult things we've ever done"
"How did you do it?"
"A lot of conversation, a lot of debate &..."
"A lot of fart smelling"
Totally
Is that how they got all the brain damage? Lack of oxygen?
you lost me at "satisfying conclusion"... lol
And no small amount of gasoline huffing.
I saw the first one in '77. I remember when there was ONE Star Wars movie, it was called Star Wars. That's all. Just Star Wars. The phenomenon didn't let up for three whole years, an eternity in the pre-Internet world. On Opening Night in 1980, when Darth Vader first uttered the line which people seemingly know at birth today, it was truly jaw-dropping. The theater gasped and some people even screamed. It made seeing all subsequent Star Wars films on day-of-release essential. Until I saw the seventh one, whatever it's called, I don't really know. There are only three Star Wars films... and then there are the prequels, which, compared to the stuff this new company is plopping out, are now classics by comparison.
The new ones are so bad, so virtually bankrupt intellectually, that it was enough to make me completely ignore Star Wars, one of the very epicenters of my childhood. That would've been inconceivable even just six short years ago. Congratulations.
So what was that famous Darth Vader line? “Luke” or “No”? 😂😂😂
I know that science fiction is not the most outstanding or deepest genre in cinema, and I don’t want to sound like a nerd fanboy, but damn, “I am your father” is the greatest twist in the history of this art.
If you had told the 1977-1985 era me that there would be a day I would not care about any new Star Wars I would have called you crazy.
'Classic' is a stretch. 'Stepping stone' to the quality content of The Clone Wars series, maybe.
@@nephicus339 Mystified by your lack of ability to read cynicism, seeing as your generation's been suckled, weened and raised on it.
"Oh great, this guy is a writer and he loves Star Wars, AND he doesn't know that Anakin and Vader are the same person" 🤣
Well actually in retrospect vader himself actually acted as if Anakin was a different person because in technicality he was due to the fact that he was fully a part of the dark side and literally disconnected himself from what he was beforehand until return of the Jedi of course so I don't get that?
@@Bluetheknight21 ACTUALLY (ACTUAL reality/FACT) Do what Anakin/Vader did to younglings and use your thoughtful wording in the court of law and see how well that works for you...
Now SYMBOLISM, sure that works great... But actually, they are BOTH the same man and Vader ObvIously didn't dispense that reality otherwise he never would have told Luke that he was his father: The NAME Anakin meant nothing to Vader: he's become a dark shadow of the mighty light he used to be.
symbolism is what you're saying. There is no light without shadow. No good without evil, no order without chaos and its our choices that define us: anakin chose to fall (I dont blame him. To save my wife and kid, I'd probably done the same thing). He then chose to be redeemed: its the tale of "Horus the Elder SKYWALKER(Osiris)" being killed by His "Brother"/SET (Both connected eventually with the Title of "Baal" in Ancient times: a connection I've only ever seen George Lucas and Zacharia Sitchin make) and then is redeemed by "Horus the Child SKYWALKER", Who was destined to "rule" (symbolized by baby luke holding his hand to his face in ROTS just like Horus in ancient mythology): Horus defeats Set. Set/Vader KILLS Apep/Palpatine and returning to the light/Ra and goes on to the afterlife as "OSIRIS"....
This all amounts to the inner struggle, the journey we all go on: we ARE Skywalker as well as Vader.
I hope you enjoyed the philosophy lesson.
*May the Schwartz stay with you*
@@FoolishPrince Nice schizo blogpost, what the fuck lmao
@@FoolishPrince your spastic usage of caps, slashes and parentheses crossed with no formatting and a radical viewpoint makes me actually nauseous.
I have discovered the embodiment of "no chill"
@@Bluetheknight21 Vader does no such thing. He references himself as himself. That stupid dichotomy idea comes from lying old Obi Wan, who wasn't telling Luke the truth because he was manipulating him into murdering his father.
As a person involved in the OT, watching it crumble must be heartbreaking.
That already happened in the 90s when George came out with the Special Editions.
5:30 - I never knew he tweeted that. As someone (a woman, actually) whose favorite character of all time is Luke Skywalker, I can promise you that what he said is complete BS. Canon Luke stood before the most terrifying man in the galaxy (who tortured both his best friends, mind you!) and believed there was still good in him. And when he fought his father and nearly gave into the dark side to kill him, he stopped himself and realized that he was on the same road his father was and chose NOT to go there. The part where Luke looks from his father's hand to his own is PIVITOL in Luke's development. You mean to tell me that this SAME MAN got spooked by his nephew and raised his lightsaber to KILL him? And that it's CONSISTENT with his character? What was the point of him not killing Vader in RotJ then if he was just going to do the same thing in TLJ? And at the very worst, Luke may have been depressed about failing his students and become reclusive, but he wouldn't have been the angry and bitter Luke we saw in TLJ.
Oh man, so sorry for the long rant. Rian Johnson makes my blood pressure rise, haha.
All this. 100%
Great comment.
Well said....
I pour my respect woman juice for peopel like you
I salute you sister
"I pour my respect woman juice"
Wat? Haha
"A Lion doesn't concern himself with the opinions of their sheep."
A Great Line.
You have no idea how much I agree with all of your opinions, though.
That's tywin off game of thrones
@@jamescunningham1844 yes and in my opinion a really well written and acted character
@@thelonelyshivy5370 characters on that show were great up until a point. Then it went on acting alòne for anything redeemable about the show
@@jamescunningham1844 yea.. please let's not talk about s8
@@thelonelyshivy5370 Yeah Season 8 killed it. The cast and crew did their best and were amazing but D&D’s retardation was too much
If only Dave Filoni did the sequals. What a world that would be
And Jon Favreau don't leave him out lol.
@@deathknightrevan of course not
At this point Jon and Dave are the last hope of star wars. Disney messed it all up big time. Anything Disney does will always bow to the mob of sjw snowflakes. Every. Single. Time.
@@xombi213 to be honest I think if disney let's them do all star wars we should be fine
I’m hard just thinking about it imagine a mandalorian Jedi or grogu being the last Jedi they’d def come to with something awesome
The amount Finn yells "Rey" is genuinely hilarious xD
Didn't need a Marcia edit to improve these films, someone like me with no film industry experience could have edited them better. Granted not much movie would be left afterwards though. But seriously, i think even i could have made these movies better in the editors chair.
The Disney trilogy was just something Luke dreamed about, he tells his wife Mara Jade Skywalker about it who laughs and comforts him on training their son Ben.
Mara Jade???
@@zed-up its lukes wife in the Legends or EU.
Why Lukes girlfriend name is so similar to Spider-Mans girlfriend?
@@kendi5391 she also has, Red Hair
@@therealwinston3634 yeah and a purple lightsaber
The best thing about the Sequel Trilogy is that they make the Prequel Trilogy look excellent by comparison.
yeah, at least watchable. FANEDITS of PT are excellent, highly recommend - watchable, and cohesive stories, more special effects, cringe removed. Just great trilogy in that format. But I ain't even watched ST lolol not a single second lol bleh. Kathleen K. is a very nice woman, I like her very much. BUT this story should have been trusted to somebody else.
If you get rid of some of the wonky dialogue, wooden acting and weird CGI the Revenge of the Sith is at it's base an amazing story..I just wish there was more about the actual turning to the dark side. But they got everything else spot on.
@@thebassconnection7226 I think they got most of Anakin's fall from grace down, he was already on a very dark path from the moment he killed all of those Tusken Raiders after Shmi's death. It's just that most of it got lost in the cheesy and melodramatic dialogue. The fact that the scene also happens off-screen also really doesn't help.
All the Clone Wars does is flesh that fall from grace out and provide more details, but I felt like the trajectory of his turn to the dark side was easily observable in the Prequels, even if it wasn't always executed well.
Definitly not. Prequels sucks still and are plagues by greed of Lucas just like by Jar Jar. And after the crytal skull he should forever remain silent.
@@tommischler964 oof, you're gonna get a lot of hate for that now!
Disney: pisses off the writers, editors, actors, and fans of original star wars
Litterally everyone: Frankly, I don't agree with this
Disney: *Traitor!*
"It's treason then..."
Honestly, when Episode IX came out I instantly went to see it, when I heard Palpatine is back. I had high hopes that they would somehow still save the franchise and have a reasonable explanation for why he is back. I really wanted them to not fuck up this movie. But when it started with „somehow Palpatine returned" I knew this movie was just gonna be as bad as the other two.
you could have saved your eyes if you just walked out and back to your car as soon as that line was said
as soon as I heard good olì palpy was going to be brought back I knew it was going to be shit
"and have a reasonable explanation for why he is back"? You mean *how* he is back but what explanation could possibly be reasonable when it means that *EVERYTHING* that the rebel alliance fought for was for nothing if Palpatine survived?
@@KeldorDAntrell Lmfao as bad as the explanation is in the old EU for why Palpatine is back, it was leagues better than this new version they created. Sad that one of the WORST old EU comic lines is better than the CANON MOVIES that Disney has made.
I've honestly never seen a worst intro to a movie. Opening with a text that drops a HUGE information like it's nothing at all - oh well, the Emperor is back and we won't bother telling you why or how... it's incredibly bad writing, so bad I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes. And this led me to laughing out loud from the first minute to the last.
KK: "The Force is everywhere, in everyone, it's not just male, it's not just female..."
Also KK: "THE FORCE IS FEMALE!"
Does she even have a stance at all, let alone one based on actual knowledge of the story and lore, or does she just say whatever sounds most marketable in the moment?
The ACTUAL answer, by the way, is that Force potential is distributed rather randomly like pretty much any form of talent. If you hit the genetic lotto you will be extremely strong in the Force, or you might be a bit less lucky and have a solid or moderate or small amount of Force capability, or if you're unlucky you'll have virtually none. This is true no matter what gender, race, or species you are in the Star Wars galaxy.
So KK is wrong either way, it's not just one kind of person and it's not everyone either, it's a roll of the dice whether you'll have Force power and if so how much.
Fax
The way the Force actually works is triggering to SJW scum because it's an example of inequality. Like, no, some people have it and some people don't, sorry, that's how it works, life isn't fair get over it. SJWs cry when something is unequal because they can't handle the fact that inequality is just a fact of life, some people are just smarter, stronger, more attractive, etc. than others and that's why they're ahead. The universe isn't fair. Inequality will always exist, and as a consequence, hierarchies will always exist.
“After reading this comment you must be sexist, racist, xenophobic & an Elitist!” - KK
But for reals, I feel like Star Wars is one of the most diverse fictional universes we’ve seen visually. I mean, how many fucking alien species and droids have we seen in the first 6 movies and shows and EVEN further so when reading the Extended Universe. We should say that KK’s Disney is anti-diversity by getting rid of all of the extended universe content describing ancient civilizations, species and history.
Just like the distribution of any particular talent and resources in the real world, the force likely follows a pareto distribution. I have not problem if SJWs hate that, but when they pretend its not true just because you don't like it...
If only they could have directed that in the right place, they could have given us a story focused on the hard life of someone with no force powers, who has to rely on wits and military training to be a hero anyway. They could have even made him from am oppressed group (such as a class of people that were kidnapped at birth and trained to dogmatically die for someone else cause). They even made such a character and managed to not completely muck it up. So close to having something watchable that actually lined up with their own beliefs..... then they create a character whos sole purpose is to ruin his character (rose), and dedicated more and more time to their knock off Skywalker that no one likes.
I don't think they can be that stupid, either they ruining it on purpose because they hate the fans or because they hate themselves.
I think the part that made me most agitated was when she found an ancient knife, and (this is spoilers but it's garbage so don't worry) it was meant to be a map.
How was it a map?
The knife edge perfectly matched the skyline of the terrain when standing in a specific spot looking in a specific direction. The skyline. As in, the thing that changes almost year-to-year. A map. On an ancient knife edge. Only usable from standing in one spot.
No. Fuck off, movie.
And she miraculously happened to be standing in that very spot on her first try. Bullshit!
I don't like the movies, but all that is perfectly acceptable Star Wars. Remember that Force Users can see the future and make extremely convoluted plans that would be completely inane and ineffective if they didn't know exactly how things would pan out. Example: Luke's plan to rescue Han.
@@argus2389 It can be, if you are bad at it, but if you are Luke or The emperor and great at it you can make absurdly convoluted plans based on knowing exactly how people are going to react 5 moves in.
When the dagger is made is irrelevant and your claim about when it was made is literal nonsense.
Luke has to see the future for his plan at Jabba's to work. He gives Jabba Chewy, R2, and 3P0, with the only way of getting them back being Jabba bringing them out to the sarlacc for Luke to liberate them. What was his plan if Jabba said "well I know the Jedi are powerful and you have been very respectful so I will give you Han for the debt he owes and future consideration. What happens to Chewie and the droids then?
"Luke succeeded with clever planning and having a backup plan"
No. The plan doesn't work at all. Only the backup backup plan.
siege
@@redrick8900 I feel like you SHOULD be wrong, yet the more I think about it the more I can’t find an argument against you
@@Banana-pm3cb I've done a lot of thinking about Star Wars.
They quit labeling them as Episodes, they removed the scrolling text from the intro.
They quit calling Sith Lords “Darth” they did a horrible job honoring Carrie Fischer.
They didn’t follow the lore of Star Wars which stated that Anakin brought balance to the force by killing Palpatine and after that Darth Banes Rule of Two was broken.
Boba Fett is alive and was supposed to be in the new episodes. No Mara Jade.
They seem to forget that light saber Force Locks exist and therefore no cross guards are needed.
Boba Fett’s daughter Mirta Gev is nowhere to be found in the movies. She is 10x a strong woman that Rey is.
Luke never threw his lightsaber away in the book and never gave up in the book and Mark Hammil requested to improve against the script and not throw his light saber behind him but they wouldn’t let him.
Chewbacca died before Han in actual lore and Han watched him get crushed to death.
Rey is not a Skywalker and does not exist in actual Star Wars lore. Neither does fin.
Mon Motha was supposed to make a return
They were on the verge of discovering the new galaxy in actual cannon lore
Cloning someone or something does not put their consciousness into the clone. So a Palpatine clone is not truly him.
They do not realize that Star Wars IS NOT science fiction. It is fantasy.
The original Sith were a race
The original Jedi were a religion
The vast majority of Dark Side users are not Sith. Less than 1% of them are.
It actually is possible that Finn can use a light saber. But not possible for him to defeat any Force user with it.
The Bounty Hunters Guild became a huge threat directly after the events of Episode 6.
The reason Han Solo got in trouble is because he dropped and lost his shipment to avoid imprisonment.
He also did not go thru the black hole. He used the gravity to go around it by getting close and getting sling shotted off and no one had ever done that before. That was how he made the run in far fewer parsecs than was though possible. A parsec is distance, not speed as the movie implies.
C3PO never had a red arm in cannon lore.
Even with retconning, Rey is not a Skywalker. She would have to marry one to be one.
Oh my point of posting all that is to say ALL THAT’S why current Star Wars sucks.
That all?
@@thekindlykobold hmm...we need a strong woman figure to embody women power... --'ignores thousands of fans frantically gesturing to Mara Jade's picture---
Kylo's cross guard isn't a cross guard it's an exhaust port my man
Except Anakin didn't bring balance to the force by killing Palpatine, he brought balance by reducing the number of Jedi to 2, like the Sith rule.
Can you tell me what a force lock is?
I pretend Star Wars: 7,8,9
doesn’t exist. The emperor died
in space. Rey was lost in the desert, Han Solo retired and still lives.
Kylo Ren got sacrificed to the
Sarlack and Luke skywalker
was a happy hermit who
never got exposed to Rey
It troubles me that the reigns have been given to people with active contempt for Star Wars, its creator, and its fandom from the get-go. I could stomach bad decision making if it came from an honest place, but it's clear that something's rotten in the senate.
Kathleen and Iger toss aside George's ideas as soon as they seal the deal and binned an entire continuity.... only to have it be retold in blander way (did we really need Clone Palpatine, a terrible plot point in either continuity?)
JJ did a number on Star Trek before, a potential red flag of what was to come.
Rian Johnson...we know his views on the series... fumbled with subversive concepts that KOTOR II already did WAY better.
And now the KOTOR reboot is being written by Sam Maggs, someone who gets in constant twitter battles with sequel critics and has gone on record saying KOTOR isn't even her favorite SW game.
The only people involved I've seen who talk about Star Wars both passion AND respect off the top of my head are Hamill, Filoni, and Favreau.
Some keys will be jangled, some Calarts thing will distract 'em
The fact that they get these writers who actually engage in twitter fights tells me they're hiring the wrong people.
All true factual information.
its dead. Leave it. Only when its totally dusted and these pricks get nothing will the shareholders do anything to boot them.
Fortunately, there's THE EXPANSE, THE HORUS HERESY (not outside books yet, but still, great sci fi), and some others that have yet to be tainted.
The Holy Trinity. I wish there was some way for Filoni and Favreau to gain control of the franchise
I admit that I was onboard with the sequel trilogy and even defended it against the people who hated the sequels for being too different. Then the third one came out, and I felt like a loyal Storm Trooper who believed in the Empire and the safety and prosperity that they bring to core worlds.. and then watched dumbstruck as they blow up Alderan.
You basically felt like Iden on the campaign of Battlefront 2(2017)
You are Finn
they were All bad, how could you not see it right off
being "different" wasn't and isn't the problem
@@manuelkong10 I was a fool. A blind fool XP
@@guzhevskyy Except Finn goes on to killing his former comrades 5 minutes later while screaming "wow" like a complete psychopath
9:30 Just off the cuff:
Luke: Your dad was a powerful Jedi and a great starfighter pilot
Anakin: You're a freak, but you could also be the Chosen One.
Vader: You're actually Anakin and Luke's dad.
Yoda: You're old as heck and belong to a race of long-lived super-powerful force users.
Rey: Surprise, you're super powerful with the force, possibly more powerful than Yoda and Anakin combined, and you intuitively know how to use all of its powers from even the slightest exposure without any background or build-up, and we're gonna retcon it that you're Palpatine's secret kid later. Then kill Palpatine when the core of the goddamn Death Star couldn't. Quintessential Waaamen's Mary Sue
I remember literally shouting in the theatre when watching Force Awakens "This is bulls**t!" when Rey did jedi mind-trickery.
The amount of arguments I've had with pathetic feminists over Rey is ridiculous. She's a poorly written character with no substance. Daisy did the best she could with what she had, so this isn't about the acting abilities of the cast. I just can't stand badly written characters and stories
@@pyerack if you mean people standing up for Rey as a character does, I completely agree. If not, I'm still likely to agree, I just don't see it at the moment
I already had a strong dislike of jedis for making basically all other military assets around them irrelevant. A tank column? one jedi waving his hand is enough to destroy it. And then you come to those that can move spaceships, and you are left wondering why anyone even bothers with armies as long as they have jedi. I would like more star wars and less everything revolving around the space samurai wizards (think clone wars without jedi involvment once again dictating the outcome of anything they appear in), or at least have them meet actual threats (that DO exist in lore but somehow never appear in the movies, like slug throwers that lightsabers can't deflect, laser weapons shooting 3 bolts at a time in a triangle formation making it literally impossible to deflect all bolts at once with a lightsaber, or various alien creatures that alter force usage around them)
Rey.. takes that and makes it FAR WORSE, by taking the obnoxious parts about jedis, and shoving them down the viewer's throat all just to push an agenda.
@@thorveim1174 You mention the Clone Wars but completely forget the event that both ended the Clone Wars and proved that Jedi are not unbeatable; Order 66. You also ignore the fact that not all force users are as competent with the force as you're making out. Had they actually been as powerful as you're suggesting, Order 66 would not have worked
@@chojin6136 I know.. but the weaker jedis are rarely on display, in favor of the overpowered ones that are more than powerful enough to be decisive whenever they appear.
As for order 66, it gives the impression that it broke the jedi as an organisation, but didn't manage much more than just scattering the jedis and sending them into hiding. I know that in lore there is weaker jedis, there is countermeasures to jedis, but the movies fail to show any of that as any jedi on display is either a master or more than capable of becoming one. Also to add to how annoying their all-encompassing importance is that on the political side of things too they had massive sway until order 66.
Star wars revolves around the jedi and their sith counterparts, which I think is sad as it ends up relegating everything else that setting has to offer into the background far too much.
As George's ex-wife, she probably even knows some of the things he had planned for a potential sequel. The stuff Disney wiped their asses with after promising George to "protect" his characters
George even laid out the Plans for the sequel, you can read it there.
It would be about Luke rebuilding the jedi order, leia and the Rebellion rebuilding the republic fighting against thug Organisations, darth maul and his sith padawan
"3 old characters that should logically die sooner or later anyway"
Luke was 53 when he died and Leia was around 54 when she died. Han was 66 when he was killed. I wouldn't be surprised if all 3 of them lived to be more than triple their age at the time of their death considering it's fucking star wars. Hell they all would have probably lived to be around 100.
Actually luke and Leia Bron at the time makes 54
Plus referring to 3 BELOVED, treasured, favorite heroes of the story as "3 old characters" really reveals they are not true fans at all.
@Umlilo Fine Arts Ministry makes no sense, cuz squirrel girl is marvel and batman is dc, but it makes sense in terms that people who have no idea about the franchise and characters would try and do that
I can understand the initial decision. Give the OT characters a respectable and satisfactory end, and have a new generation take over and tell their own stories. If done well you give yourself enormous creative freedom going forward. I'm also quite convinced that there's a good story buried deep, deep within TFA's initial premise and outline. I mean, pitting Han, Luke and Leia against one of their own family, where his redemption matters more than anything because it would otherwise destroy the Skywalker family and legacy forever, yea, that's a pretty good premise for an amazing stoyline imho.
Unfortunately it was all very poorly executed. Behind a shed. With a blunt object. So uncivilised.
@@javiertorres1290 Leia died after luke
I grew up in a cult, and one of the most common phrases you hear about apostates is "they can leave the church but they can't leave the church alone"....
Which basically means fine leave but don't tell everyone about the horrible experience you've had. What I'm saying is that Disney is a cult, because you can't question them, and once you leave they don't want you talking about it.
Wow. Sounds like a lot of corporate (and government) institutions these days.
Glad you’re free now!
The only Star Wars that matters to me is what George Lucas had created. Lol
You can't buy canon. I don't care what people say.
Everything else is just fan fiction.
The EU legends have some gems to.
@@suzygirl1843 Prequels are flawed. But enjoyable. Ewan McGregor carry the movies to be honnest.
If Lucas approved, I wouldn’t mind Rogue One or Mandalorian being canon too
The problem with 7,8, and 9, is they introduced a bunch of characters with no backstory, and you had to figure out what they were doing there and why. Lucas' 2nd trilogy, from the early 2000s, suffered, in part, from this; but, because he knew exactly where he was going (he had the events of the first trilogy in front of him), he was able to tie it all up satisfactorily. The makers of this last trilogy had no real idea where they were going. They were making it all up and improvising as they went along.
You could write a Bible thick book about the problems with 789.
i love the Fin's lack of lines reference at the end :) shows how diverse they actually are
The ST is the vision Jar Jar had when he jolted into the pod-racer's engine current. It's the only way that it would make sense.
😂😂
haha
THATS canon now
Head canon accepted
Yoda literally tells Luke about his Jedi training. I didn't even have to dig that detail up, I'm surprised I remembered it.
Padme: "Ani, is that you? I haven't seen you in 10 years!"
Because of all that Jedi training and what not lol
"Mark hammill tried to warn" is still a classic search on youtube whenever i have to deal with new disney space wars invading my stream. I wish youtube can let me block the words "disney star wars" from anything i see
You know Rian is a hack when he says he stands by every choice. Far greater directors are forever unsure of decisions they made in far greater films.
There's a well known story of when Gene Wilder fought Mel Brooks over a scene in Young Frankenstein.
Brooks stood by his choice to leave it in, and Wilder backed off because he knew if the scene was actually good, he would fight for it. So it stayed in.
I’m just happy to hear this amazing mans voice again
So funny how Marcia Lucas won a literal Academy Award for her work on the OT and none of the hacks on the sequel trilogy did. Must be coincidence or something
I like the prequels, I think they're heavily flawed, but there's still a good chunk of Star Wars in them. They're not great movies, except for Revenge of the Sith, but they are amazing world-building and create a wonderful universe to explore. They still transport you to another world and still create this fantastic world. It just needed that grounding and direction from either his producer buddies and/or Marcia Lucas to really polish it out and get the pacing and clean it up. It has a strong story and the creativity of the designs and everything.
None of that is found in any of the later star wars movies. There is no world building or creation.
What bout the light saber duels they were awesome in the prequels. People dont give enough credit to the action scenes, theyre just as important as everything else. Lame/laze fight coreography in a movie is just as bad as bad dialogue/writing, IN MY OPINION.
@@dirkauditore8413 yeah, any fight in the PT is easily an amazing and entrrtaining, high staked scene
That's the thing, us PT fans can recognise where the films did good and where they went wrong.
@Jack Blakeney Same here, as a kid I adored Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith, I still enjoy all of them and though I don't watch them quite as often (I used to watch the entire two trilogies every single year once during Summer and once during Winter break, with the 2003 Clone Wars DVDs as well)
agreed. The Prequels added sooo much lore that has become impossible to remove from the series. The dialogue and events are sometimes lame and cheesy, but the world building and overall additions are incredible. But, if I were to talk to someone whos not seen star wars and wants to know where to start (the 3 people like that on the planet lol) I'd say, you should just skip ep1, and ep2, and just watch Dave Filoni's Star War's The Clone Wars series from start to finish, as that will pretty much tell you everything you need to know, then watch ep 4,5,3,6 and then put the new trilogy on a thumb drive and throw it in the garbage.
7:52 I laughed so hard, like what is she even saying😂 "It's not female, it's not male it's just the force" Kathleen doesn't even know what the force is, and anyone who has the slightest knowledge about Star Wars already knows the force doesn't base itself around certain genders. I mean we've seen Ahsoka Tano, Aayla Secura, Luminara Unduli,... Even female dark side users like Asajj Ventress or Darth Talon are absolute badasses. So yes Kathleen, the force resides in both genders and every alien species in the Star Wars universe. The sequels aren't the first time we've seen female Jedi so stop acting like you did something incredible by making the main protagonist a woman. Also consider learning what the force actually is before going on your interviews
It’s quite obvious they had no good ideas for the new Trilogy so they tapped into contemporary social Justice struggles and feelings as a way out. They needed to make money somehow so they concocted this false narrative about the sexism and racism of Star Wars so they could justify rejecting its creator’s ideas. They knew they needed the original faces but they strategically eliminated them within the storyline. All in an attempt to reduce the story to a Disney mutant. They are master manipulators. They pulled a Sidious on us.
@@beretman27 Wouldn't have said it better. They managed to make sci-fi political, and somehow it's successful cause of the morons on Twitter denying the bad writing just cause the main protagonist is female and the first important character we meet is black. Not that that's a bad thing ofc cause as I mentionned I really don't care what race, sex, color, religion... The characters are as long as they fit in with the story. Had a good long debate on Facebook why I wasn't racist for disliking the sequels mentioning multiple times that Mace Windu is like my 3rd favorite Jedi😂 I just feel like Disney is too intertwined with political and social affairs nowadays. Just look at what they did to Johnny Depp as soon as they heard misleading accusations of him beating his wife, someone needs to be fired I swear
I disagree the Vong did not have force powers they are a Star Wars species canon should be sent to fanon
@@poaato Being force sensitive and living with the force are 2 different things, but you're right. It was probably wrong of me to say every species knowing there are many who can't develop their force powers like the Vong
Yeah I don’t get why KK keeps acting like she did something revolutionary such as having a female Jedi when female Jedi existed way before Rey, and some of them were talented Masters. I don’t know where this is coming from. Even including Finn as a Jedi is not revolutionary coz of Mace Windu. The one unique thing they could have brought to the table was Finn the ex-stormtrooper discovering he is Force-sensitive and becoming a Jedi. But they discarded him for Reylo. :S
I’ve been a fan since 77 and read and own almost every EU book. After seeing TFA on dvd which a friend lent me and very almost kicking in my set, I’ll never spend money on Disney, the Killing of HS never sense story wise, and a missed opportunity to get all the original cast together, from the first five minutes I was going mental as all the entire film was a rehash of the original. I’ll stick with my EU collection. It makes me glad to know the print on demand Heart of the Jedi blow away in only a week and half before it got pulled, destroyed all the new republic books and in the Uk made it to the top 5 top selling book of week on Amazon
No kidding I never seen movie's that I could tell you what was going to happen before it was even made lol. There was no thought in making these movie's, all they did was took something great and tried to do a remake and failed.
I thought it made Han look stupid. IF he had gone out there to save his son then great. BUT he needed a backup plan to stop him like one of those detonators. Kylo stabs Han and he had one on a deadman’s switch...blowing up and seriously injuring Kylo making him more like DARTH VADER in the next movie.
agreed. it was a disaster from the start. even more of a shame that they didnt pull from the EU's vast array of great stories.
@@mem1701movies that is actually brilliant.
Harrison Ford insisted on being killed off. He really hates SW.
If there was one thing Disney did that was good, it was specifically labeling tons of old Star Wars content as non-canon. Now the good Star Wars and the bad are separate canons.