These videos are extremely interesting - the mental image of Holmes in the scenarios you lay out are striking! These videos surely must be helpful to people who need them - props on putting all this out there 👏
I am pleased to know you are finding value in the videos! Even if Holmes does not go to prison, this video will help people prepare for their first day in prison. Thank you!
But the real question is: will she use the fake deep voice in prison? And will she continue to say "uhm, earm, yam" (variations of um) in every other sentence? That's what I'd like to know. ;)
I took a plea deal in Nevada for probation. My lawyer failed to explain that my deal was "non-binding". I was sentenced to 3-10 and at the moment of sentencing I was taken into custody. Your videos are informative, valuable and well produced. Thank you, unfortunately many of your potential audience lack internet access. Prison is a dangerous place and your advice is priceless for anyone entering a prison system. My number one mistake was not to hire a second lawyer or prison consultant to counsel me on how to deal with my lawyer. I would have never taken a non-binding plea agreement.
Thank you for your comments and for sharing your insights. You are not alone. The majority of defendants have regrets over how they prepared for sentencing and prison. Our goal is to help as many as possible better manage this foreign world. Be well and happy holidays.
@George Smith What was ur charge if u don't mind. I told someone where to get dope on Skid Row in LA. Didn't sell anything.Dude I told was an undercover. Everyone said since it was my first offense i would do 6 months.I was shocked.Went to court after being locked up for 3 months thinking I was going home in 3 weeks. They gave me 3 years!! They looked at my record and saw it was pretty clean in California and my own public defender searched Illinois and told the judge. The court system is no joke.
@@JeffWarren47 wow now that's messed up. I've never done crack, meth street drugs but would know what area of town people go in order to find it & I understand what happens to those that go through withdrawals would've easily pointed someone in that direction feeling sorry for them. Will know not to ever do that. They never should've locked you up for that I had no idea they could do that. Verbally warning you would've been more than sufficient. Crap like that's why so many back the movements to defund. The system's not helping anyone not is it rehabilitating them its just put on place to make money & punish. We need to stop building jails & put up more rehabs & mental facilities. What they did to you is criminal in my book.
So you empathize with Elisabeth Holmes if she is sentenced to 20 years - - from my experience with a brief incarceration in LA's county jail - - I could say that I might sympathize with her - if she wasn't such a liar. I have no respect for her former "lover" Sunni Balwani, but she had clearly born false witness against this man. Beyond that my personal experience leads me to the conclusion that hard time rehabilitates no one
@@JohnSmith-eo5sp I really have no sympathy for her at all. No doubt she is a psychopath and criminally responsible. But humanity must be preserved. I have been thrown in a couple jails, even one in Mexico. I know what prisoners go through.
As I put myself in your place while you described your experience, I began to feel a little humiliated and humbled by the gravity of the situation. And more than a little frightened. Thank-you for sharing your experience, and for telegraphing what you felt so well.
Thank you very much for your comments and for speaking so honestly. I will acknowledge I didn’t fully get the gravity of the situation until that first day on the inside. Thankfully, I began to invest the time to build a better future. I wish I had started sooner. Thank you again for contributing to our community
I spent 11-weeks in our county jail 1984 (distributing cocaine for a physician friend ... but not a user myself). I'm a writer by trade. In my first week, a guy was trying to get probation and early release. I offered to write his papers and present his "case." The guards said "nobody ever gets probation from this jail" ... However, he did! From then on, my area was called "the office." I read legal documents, and wrote for all the inmates. I even did some writing for two of the guards (one asked me for a loan). My experience was, well, amazing and I was happy to be encountering people who had made "mistakes." And, most lacked education, intelligence or opportunity. For Elizabeth, this COULD BE a very positive experience ... one that will open her eyes to the genuine suffering and condition of average people. It's time for her to LISTEN ... not pontificate! Maybe a bit of humiliation will help with that massive ego? Of course, I was only in "the brig" for a short time; but I very much value the experience. Note: the judge offered "drug rehab" only (no jail). However, I was honest and said I do not use drugs of any kind at all ... and jail time would be more appropriate. Maybe that's why I got a light sentence?
I pray she does get prison time. No company should ever mess with patients healthcare, even with a single needle prick blood test. I think she’s terrified right now.
My God the thought of a beautiful woman rotting in prison for years and years is incomprehensible! I know she deserves it. She really deserves it. But when she leaves prison after 20 years she will be a withered and prune-like old troll! It’s a real nightmare! May God have mercy on her soul!
Thank you for watching. You’re correct. The good thing is even if she is acquitted this video will help anyone who may someday go to prison. Happy Holidays.
I have never been to prison...nor do i want to be...but your presentation was absolutely incredible . To use a cliché...a learning experience. Well said and well done. I am now wondering toyself how much of a difference there is between our two systems...Canada and the USA. Great video
Welcome to your channel! Thank you very much for your thoughtful and kind comments. Certainly some differences between Canada and USA. That said, there is no difference in mitigation. In other words, regardless of the country, a guilty defendant must learn to express through their own actions why they are worthy of mercy and, if victims were created, how victims will be made whole. Again, thank you for contributing.
From what I've seen, (and I don't claim for one minute to have all of the pieces to the puzzle) EH appears to be one of those people who believes that rules are for other people. Convicted "Pharma Bro" Martin Shkreli apparently has that problem. He was caught running his company with a contraband cell phone and he was sent to the SHU. I see EH following a similar path.
You do such a fine job, really impressive. You are thoughtful, responsible and constructive. I hope you make a fortune, or at least a very very comfortable living, for the constructive work you do.
Thank you very much for your compliments. Our team strives to help people traverse this system successfully. Success will not happen by accident or happy talk. Like anything else, it requires hard work that usually begins with looking inward. Again, thank you.
Regarding Elizabeth Holmes she hasnt learned her lessons. She insists in being manipulative. Got herself pregnant TWICE knowing she was going to prision. She is cold hearted even to her own children. Instead of preparing herself physically and mentally for what is waiting her ahead she chose one more time to play the manipulation game. A viciously calculating mind. Sorry for those babies.
Thanks for really telling some plain honest simple stuff. I was a young lady. It was1962. My first time in traffic court when the judge called my name as "defendant" ... I suddenly realized I was charged with the minor accident caused by an older man running a STOP sign onto a quiet suburban thru street. Sounds like nothing right. Light damage to my 1958 Olds. Except that I was hurrying to open a restaurant on U.S. 1... so i busied myself prying the bumper off the wheel with a wrench. Plus, the young cop who had been driving about 100 yards behind me walked over and said "I saw he hit you didnt he." "Yes," i said, "And I hafta open a restaurant." I have no idea what transpired between those men. But as I started to drive off, I was handed a ticket which I stuck into the glove compartment. I assumed had to do with some sort of "witness" appearance. Now In court, i pointed to the cop in mufti. "He's lying," I said to the judge. The cop stared at his shoes. When I repeated, "He's lying," the judge told me to be quiet. "He's lying," I repeated. "Forty dollars every time you open your mouth unless I ask you a question," said the judge. "He's lying." "Eighty dollars...." It was the first and the Last time I will totally trust myself ... to assume that I know enough to deal with any new situation. Thanks. Hope I and everyone here be spared the use of your advice.
I was that older man in 1962… So we meet again!!??! I just turned 113 years old… I am so sorry for messing up your life… I would like to at least make a sincere gesture to make up to you … say, maybe twenty dollars???… it’s all I can afford… I am now homeless and living on the street in Spillville, Iowa… I have nothing but the shirt on my back, my Android phone, an IPad, a laptop and a seeing-eye dog named Rin-Tin-Tin… he’s real friendly but if you come to visit please bring some doggie treats for him [and me] to munch on… and may God bless you and the United States of America🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I have a friend who will be reporting soon for a 3yr sentence on 5 counts of insider trading. I've alerted him to your channel. I wish I had disovered WCA before his trial.
Thank you for sharing our work. He should be planning for a compassionate release due to Covid. If he wants to learn more, he can call our team at 818-424-2220. Happy Holidays! Justin
One of my psychology professors in graduate school told me this: “past behavior predicts future behavior”. that is a truism “. That is a trite phase, but true. I have observed that to be true in my forty years since then. In other words, she will go in doing what has worked for her with probably her parents, especially her father, the old men on her board, and all the syncopates. She probably bamboozled her attorney to a great degree. She is a con artist with amazing grandiosity. She may already be deciding that she is going to change the whole prison system in the United States. There’s no telling what is going through her brain. Whatever it is, it’s not what I would be thinking.
Sir , that was an excellent insight .Marthe Stewart's stay was also most interesting .So very descriptive , caught myself worrying about her .....goes around comes around ....enjoy your stay Elizabeth. What will her nickname be ...???
Her hands are in the jury. If convicted, her Judge will sentence her and if won’t be time served or probation, of that I’m sure. One must look to the sentencing guidelines to know why.
Sadness... the Horrible Holmes will not do time. Yes I too was young and somewhat evil, and I did no time. Because I walked the 12 steps, I made amends. I don't see Holmes ever saying "sorry" and her having a spiritual awakening without that is not likely
@@SconesAndTea ... Having the heart to steal millions and billions from others, it takes a stone heart. I doubt she loses sleep over someone losing all their life savings, nor regret doing so.
When you have a spiritual awakening, you don’t desire to punish anyone anymore. You see that everyone is simply another version/form of you! You realize, every person is an example of who you would be and what you would do, had you had their genes and experiences ❤️🩹
@@toryche1310 Hi Tory, I disagree. We are not all the same. There is true evil in this world. The biggest "crimes" in the world are ignorance and indifference practiced religiously by the majority. To counter you more directly, the loving thing could include punishing Elizabeth with 20 years, and by that action, spark a spiritual awakening. The only unifying theme in humanity is self-interest
Wow! I go through life very cautiously, I don’t live on the edge because I get claustrophobic just thinking about prison and getting every aspect of my life controlled and being humiliated with the strip searches by another human being. Yikes 😬. I remember a TSA agent at the airport putting her fingers in my hair extensions and it took me a month to get over that PTSD. 😭. However, I do know that as human beings, we can adjust to any circumstances and come out feeling that wasn’t so bad after all
My experience in countty jail was a cold place of sterility on one extreme and bedlam on another. The boring food, the lack of amenities, and no medication for a nasty case of flu I had. Fortunately the judge was lenient RIP Florence Marie Cooper
As a long distance runner in prison, I timed my laps. Needed my trusty Timex watch I bought in the commissary ($40 dollars, I think) to make it happen!
Writing from France, where I was deported to 3 years ago, after nearly 5 years in a medium security Missouri prison. I had to restart my life at the age of 61 in a country I had not seen in 50 years! It's been an interesting journey! I've collected lots of stories along the way! I had prepared for many things, but I had not prepared for prison. What I'm curious about is how federal prison is different from state prison. There's some uniformity across the federal prison system but state prisons vary from state to state. My impression is that Missouri is about average on a variety of metrics - some are better and some are worse.
I would think federal prisons are nicer. It would make sense to have them better, this way politicians and their cohorts have a nice place to spend their time.
@@JamesSmith-jq2jc Quite a cynical view of politicians you have there! But not entirely misplaced! I suspect that federal prisons are "nicer" at least to the extent that they represent the US in general, whereas state prisons need not feel as if they are the public face of the US judicial system. The federal prison system has to follow federal laws which state prisons may not be subject to. At the end of the day I'm not sure that there are truly significant differences. I remember that when I was in jail for 8 months that inmates debated whether they would prefer to be in a federal prison vs a state one. One impression I had is that libraries are better stocked than a prison library. That was an important factor for me. Jail libraries are woefully understocked, if they exist at all. (By the way, jail is very different from prison - and jails tend to be worse - sometimes much worse - than prisons. Jails are smaller and subject to funding by the surrounding community. Jails in poor communities will be underfunded, unlike prisons with larger budgets,and federal prisons with budgets larger still).
@@pascalbercker7487 well, I only believe it to be true. In my state of illinois we've had multiple governors go to federal prison, besides other politicians. These sorts are only puppets like most high ranking politicians. They are all controlled by our world powers. Most never see jail or prison because their " handlers " are the ones who control our institutions. The people, aka, slaves, are controlled and manipulated by their valueless currencies. It's the same EVIL that funded hitlers rise to power and WWII. Either way that war would have turned out " they " won and are still destroying mankind, one nation at a time. They use the U.S.A. and its allies to achieve their agendas. Soon we'll be obsolete. It's why we're so in debt. Makes one wonder what is in their LIABILITY FREE vaccines. Hmmm, I smell more war crimes against humanity. What can we do, they OWN the corrupt system.
Question: if she gets 10 years, as you suggest, what's the least she could actually serve? And does it go to a parole board, or how is that determined?
There is no parole board in the federal prison system. The day she surrenders she would receive 15% off of her sentence. All prisoners qualify for a good time if they are sentenced to 12 months or more. Therefore, on a 10 year or 120 month sentence, she would receive 15% off that first day leaving her with 102 months. The law currently allows for up to 12 full months in the halfway house. Presuming she received 12 full months, she is left with 90 months or 7.5 years. There is only one early release program in the Federal Bureau of Prisons. It is a substance-abuse program that can take up to 12 months off a sentence. At this time, because she has yet to be convicted or plead guilty, we do not know if she will disclose any history of substance abuse which could qualify her for the program. It is also worth noting that in the Covid era a number of prisoners, like Michael Cohen, have been released early through a compassionate release process. Without a compassionate release or the drug program, on a 10 year sentence I would expect her to serve 7 1/2 years. Lastly, I do not believe she will get 10 years. I was simply using that as an example.
@@ForeverBeach Time flew because I had so much to do! I was never bored nor did I wish for the time to pass. Too many people mistakenly presume that prison time will be "lost time." Not for me or our clients who invest the time to prepare for the hardest part--coming home with a sullied reputation and prison record.
one thing I've always wondered, are you allowed to take reading material in with you - eg; a novel (fiction, non-fiction, etc). If I was ever put in prison I'd go bloody bonkers if I had nothing to read! Best wishes from Australia.
I hear you. Me too. But from what I understand as a volunteer they can't take anything inside. They can buy things or have services to send them things.
Looks like the algorithm is going its job, taking breaking news and tunnelling it into some little highly specific but incredibly relevant and interesting channel. Never thought I'd be here mate, but you've got a sub from me.
Elizabeth and Ghislaine the musical. The jailbirds are cell mates and eventually become friends. Sadly, codependency and enmeshment define their relationship. All hell breaks loose in the 2nd scene when Elizabeth discovers Ghislain and Chad Daybell in her bed together. Ghislain reaches out to her network and calls Alex Murdaugh in hopes he will pay her for a romp in the hay with Elizabeth. Ok your turn
I really wonder if her fiancé will wait for her. I think if she does over 2 years her chances are not good. He's a young handsome guy with millions of dollars and likes to travel the world, party, drive fancy cars, etc. I will be very interested to see how that plays out, because without him she has no money or anything. She'd probably have to move back into parents basement
I worked at FCI Dublin in the 1980's It still looks the same. That is where I met most of the celebrities I've ever encountered. 🤯😁 It didn't really feel like a prison. More like a community college. A community college with 12 foot high fences topped with razor wire. Back then it was coed. Now it houses only women. I guess if you have to do time, it's as good a place as any.
Federal prison sounds so much better then country. The food I wouldn't serve to my dog. Everything was awful. It surely wasn't anything that you've described in your video in Country jail. Federal maybe a step up I guess. Your videos are very helpful thou.
Wow! Just seeing this video, months after you made it, yet merely a few days since EH was just sentenced. I have a question. Why do I keep thinking that wealthy people somehow will be treated differently in prison than those who are not wealthy? I mean, I have read about this being true for mobsters, even for Petrizia Reggiani (formerly Gucci) admitting this in a post prison interview.
@@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial you mean the word nonsense? Okay...that never happened (watches admitted in to a federal prison). That's how El Chapo escaped. Maybe you're discussing 20 years ago?
@@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial Where is the link? I'd love to send that to some of my friend's inside. Let me know how I may go about this? I'm genuinely interested...I think you're discussing regulations over 20 year ago...Prove me wrong
Your videos is very good and so many regular people are going to get much help from it - thank you. Sadly, I feel Holmes will use her army of lawyers (which real people don't have) to get her out of ever seeing a day in prison.
Thank you for your comments. I’m as interested as you to find out what will happen. Like you said, even if Holmes never sees it needs it, it may help people who find themself (as I did) having to face that first day in prison. Be well.
No way! If Holmes is convicted of ALL charges there's no way she's escaping at least some kind of jail time. Class warfare animus has taken over this country, as evidenced by the judge not allowing the jury to see evidence of her lavish lifestyle - the defence arguing that would incite "class resentment" in the jury. Rest assured it will be brought up during the sentencing phase.
Elizabeth Holmes, The BUG EYES Fraudster, And James Holmes The Aurora Theater Shooter, are they releated? Two Bug Eyed Jokers. Both are totally insane.
Mr. Justin Paperney site's attained knowledge has again only proven that no matter how painfully negatively devastating dire circumstance you may unfortunately experience......... CAN MAKE YOU NOT BREAK YOU.... it's a fully created compassionate love so needed in our world. God bless you and mankind 🙏
Jail is like middle school in the inner city. Some punk going to take your lunch money some other punks going to jump you from behind. And then another punk brings a zip gun to class.
Some have described it that way. For me the hardest part was imagining what it would be like-the reality of that first day in prison didn’t match the nightmares I had before I surrendered.
Stumbled over this page .... curious now, what happens to a person, say addicted to the prescription meds they get from their doc (and no one else) OR seriously addicted the alcohol, while seemingly living a normal life til they screw up- let's say steal funds from the company they work for. Are they just forced into horrific withdrawals? That wouldn't help in the first few "lay low, don't make a ker-fuffle" thing!! Anyone know??
@@dennisdupuis1567 I am personally experienced in a total loss of freedom after being processed into a maximum security county jail - - and spending the first 5 days in solitary confinement, in a cell that smelled foul. Just 5 weeks can feel like five eternities So there's clearly a difference between soft time and hard time! Now that I rethink of it, if Elisabeth Holmes does get the latter, I'd feel bad for her. Hard time doesn't rehabilitate anybody
I reckon she will or already has bought her way out of prison. I believe from what I've read that she is guilty of major fraud but I think she will walk free.
The one thin I know about dui and duos is that if all you got was probation or prison and no one was maimed or killed including yourself at least you have no loss of life on your hands
I did 8 yrs in the FEDERAL system at a Maxi-MAX in Coleman FP , Brother , NO at the Chow Hall when someone knock ✊ on the table it’s because you’re letting everyone know that you are getting up in peace (no BEEF) so no one can get alarmed , Ms.Holmes well be 100% ok 👍🏼 because in the camp people don’t kill each other , they try to intimidate each other!!! now where I was my handball partner they stabbed him and then he died in my arms! RIP 🪦
These videos are extremely interesting - the mental image of Holmes in the scenarios you lay out are striking! These videos surely must be helpful to people who need them - props on putting all this out there 👏
I am pleased to know you are finding value in the videos! Even if Holmes does not go to prison, this video will help people prepare for their first day in prison. Thank you!
People who need them.
But the real question is: will she use the fake deep voice in prison? And will she continue to say "uhm, earm, yam" (variations of um) in every other sentence? That's what I'd like to know. ;)
I had the same question. The vocal manipulation was maddening
Vocal fry is a disease
Some women do have naturally deeper voices…
@@MichiganCrimeTime She, however, does not.
@@richardcranium3417 What was the purpose of her doing the deep voice?
I took a plea deal in Nevada for probation. My lawyer failed to explain that my deal was "non-binding". I was sentenced to 3-10 and at the moment of sentencing I was taken into custody. Your videos are informative, valuable and well produced. Thank you, unfortunately many of your potential audience lack internet access. Prison is a dangerous place and your advice is priceless for anyone entering a prison system. My number one mistake was not to hire a second lawyer or prison consultant to counsel me on how to deal with my lawyer. I would have never taken a non-binding plea agreement.
Thank you for your comments and for sharing your insights. You are not alone. The majority of defendants have regrets over how they prepared for sentencing and prison. Our goal is to help as many as possible better manage this foreign world. Be well and happy holidays.
Sorry about your problems.
I'm so sorry you had to go through that.
@George Smith What was ur charge if u don't mind.
I told someone where to get dope on Skid Row in LA.
Didn't sell anything.Dude I told was an undercover.
Everyone said since it was my first offense i would do 6 months.I was shocked.Went to court after being locked up for 3 months thinking I was going home in 3 weeks.
They gave me 3 years!!
They looked at my record and saw it was pretty clean in California and my own public defender searched Illinois and told the judge. The court system is no joke.
@@JeffWarren47 wow now that's messed up. I've never done crack, meth street drugs but would know what area of town people go in order to find it & I understand what happens to those that go through withdrawals would've easily pointed someone in that direction feeling sorry for them. Will know not to ever do that. They never should've locked you up for that I had no idea they could do that. Verbally warning you would've been more than sufficient. Crap like that's why so many back the movements to defund. The system's not helping anyone not is it rehabilitating them its just put on place to make money & punish. We need to stop building jails & put up more rehabs & mental facilities. What they did to you is criminal in my book.
Your humbleness and kindness is comforting to those facing any kind of incarceration. You obviously have learned many wise lessons.
Thank you so much for your kind and thoughtful comments.
So you empathize with Elisabeth Holmes if she is sentenced to 20 years - - from my experience with a brief incarceration in LA's county jail - - I could say that I might sympathize with her - if she wasn't such a liar. I have no respect for her former "lover" Sunni Balwani, but she had clearly born false witness against this man.
Beyond that my personal experience leads me to the conclusion that hard time rehabilitates no one
@@JohnSmith-eo5sp I really have no sympathy for her at all. No doubt she is a psychopath and criminally responsible. But humanity must be preserved. I have been thrown in a couple jails, even one in Mexico. I know what prisoners go through.
As I put myself in your place while you described your experience, I began to feel a little humiliated and humbled by the gravity of the situation. And more than a little frightened.
Thank-you for sharing your experience, and for telegraphing what you felt so well.
Thank you very much for your comments and for speaking so honestly. I will acknowledge I didn’t fully get the gravity of the situation until that first day on the inside. Thankfully, I began to invest the time to build a better future. I wish I had started sooner. Thank you again for contributing to our community
I doubt that even a 10 year stay in jail will make this girl take a good hard look at herself.
Time in prison changes people, I know.
I suppose she kept some of the loot over seas and will live comfortably after 7 to 10.
@@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial Elizabeth Holmes is far too narcissistic to change or reflect. It won’t happen.
Totally agree..Her stuck up entitlement will not change
I spent 11-weeks in our county jail 1984 (distributing cocaine for a physician friend ... but not a user myself). I'm a writer by trade. In my first week, a guy was trying to get probation and early release. I offered to write his papers and present his "case." The guards said "nobody ever gets probation from this jail" ... However, he did!
From then on, my area was called "the office." I read legal documents, and wrote for all the inmates. I even did some writing for two of the guards (one asked me for a loan). My experience was, well, amazing and I was happy to be encountering people who had made "mistakes." And, most lacked education, intelligence or opportunity.
For Elizabeth, this COULD BE a very positive experience ... one that will open her eyes to the genuine suffering and condition of average people. It's time for her to LISTEN ... not pontificate! Maybe a bit of humiliation will help with that massive ego? Of course, I was only in "the brig" for a short time; but I very much value the experience.
Note: the judge offered "drug rehab" only (no jail). However, I was honest and said I do not use drugs of any kind at all ... and jail time would be more appropriate. Maybe that's why I got a light sentence?
Love you brother…thanks for being vulnerable and through this, paying forward the learning of your experiences
I appreciate your kind words. Thank you so much!
I pray she does get prison time. No company should ever mess with patients healthcare, even with a single needle prick blood test. I think she’s terrified right now.
Is she going to prison?
Why shouldn't she get prison time she deserves it.
Fauci should go to prison.
I hope she goes to prison, she deserves it.
My God the thought of a beautiful woman rotting in prison for years and years is incomprehensible! I know she deserves it. She really deserves it. But when she leaves prison after 20 years she will be a withered and prune-like old troll! It’s a real nightmare! May God have mercy on her soul!
Thank you for the presentation on a difficult subject matter. The only thing I can write is at this moment is that Elizabeth Holmes is not there yet.
Thank you for watching. You’re correct. The good thing is even if she is acquitted this video will help anyone who may someday go to prison. Happy Holidays.
Im a 20 yrs retired corrections officer..your advice is excellent...best advice..mind your own business..dont gamble so your indebted to no one.
Thank you. And I agree: no gambling
I ran across your channel, and I have respect for you. Keep up the great work!
Thank you so much!!
@@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial, no problem! Keep staying true to yourself.
I have never been to prison...nor do i want to be...but your presentation was absolutely incredible . To use a cliché...a learning experience. Well said and well done. I am now wondering toyself how much of a difference there is between our two systems...Canada and the USA. Great video
Welcome to your channel! Thank you very much for your thoughtful and kind comments. Certainly some differences between Canada and USA. That said, there is no difference in mitigation. In other words, regardless of the country, a guilty defendant must learn to express through their own actions why they are worthy of mercy and, if victims were created, how victims will be made whole. Again, thank you for contributing.
@@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial thank you!
From what I've seen, (and I don't claim for one minute to have all of the pieces to the puzzle) EH appears to be one of those people who believes that rules are for other people. Convicted "Pharma Bro" Martin Shkreli apparently has that problem. He was caught running his company with a contraband cell phone and he was sent to the SHU. I see EH following a similar path.
Shkreli did just about everything wrong.
This was so interesting. Appreciate your candor.
Thank you for watching and for your kind comments. Happy Holidays to you and your family!
You do such a fine job, really impressive. You are thoughtful, responsible and constructive. I hope you make a fortune, or at least a very very comfortable living, for the constructive work you do.
Thank you very much for your compliments. Our team strives to help people traverse this system successfully. Success will not happen by accident or happy talk. Like anything else, it requires hard work that usually begins with looking inward. Again, thank you.
Regarding Elizabeth Holmes she hasnt learned her lessons. She insists in being manipulative. Got herself pregnant TWICE knowing she was going to prision. She is cold hearted even to her own children. Instead of preparing herself physically and mentally for what is waiting her ahead she chose one more time to play the manipulation game. A viciously calculating mind. Sorry for those babies.
Yes. They will be better off with her in jail.
Such an interesting video, I saw it on my feed and decided to check it out-I’m glad I did. Thank you.
Thank you for watching! Go glad you found value in the video. Happy Holidays!
Thanks for really telling some plain honest simple stuff.
I was a young lady. It was1962. My first time in traffic court when the judge called my name as "defendant" ... I suddenly realized I was charged with the minor accident caused by an older man running a STOP sign onto a quiet suburban thru street. Sounds like nothing right. Light damage to my 1958 Olds. Except that I was hurrying to open a restaurant on U.S. 1...
so i busied myself prying the bumper off the wheel with a wrench. Plus, the young cop who had been driving about 100 yards behind me walked over and said "I saw he hit you didnt he." "Yes," i said, "And I hafta open a restaurant."
I have no idea what transpired between those men. But as I started to drive off, I was handed a ticket which I stuck into the glove compartment. I assumed had to do with some sort of "witness" appearance.
Now In court, i pointed to the cop in mufti. "He's lying," I said to the judge. The cop stared at his shoes. When I repeated, "He's lying," the judge told me to be quiet. "He's lying," I repeated. "Forty dollars every time you open your mouth unless I ask you a question," said the judge. "He's lying."
"Eighty dollars...."
It was the first and the Last time I will totally trust myself ... to assume that I know enough to deal with any new situation. Thanks. Hope I and everyone here be spared the use of your advice.
I was that older man in 1962…
So we meet again!!??! I just turned 113 years old… I am so sorry for messing up your life…
I would like to at least make a sincere gesture to make up to you … say, maybe twenty dollars???… it’s all I can afford… I am now homeless and living on the street in Spillville, Iowa… I have nothing but the shirt on my back, my Android phone, an IPad, a laptop and a seeing-eye dog named Rin-Tin-Tin… he’s real friendly but if you come to visit please bring some doggie treats for him [and me] to munch on… and may God bless you and the United States of America🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I have a friend who will be reporting soon for a 3yr sentence on 5 counts of insider trading. I've alerted him to your channel. I wish I had disovered WCA before his trial.
Thank you for sharing our work. He should be planning for a compassionate release due to Covid. If he wants to learn more, he can call our team at 818-424-2220. Happy Holidays! Justin
Do you have any videos about the Martha Stewart federal prison experience?
One of my psychology professors in graduate school told me this: “past behavior predicts future behavior”. that is a truism “. That is a trite phase, but true. I have observed that to be true in my forty years since then. In other words, she will go in doing what has worked for her with probably her parents, especially her father, the old men on her board, and all the syncopates. She probably bamboozled her attorney to a great degree. She is a con artist with amazing grandiosity. She may already be deciding that she is going to change the whole prison system in the United States. There’s no telling what is going through her brain. Whatever it is, it’s not what I would be thinking.
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You’re a gem, Betty! I love this comment. 🏆🥇
All solid advice to this lady. Wish this resource was available 21 years ago. I'll surely be tuning in ....
Thank you for watching.
Sir , that was an excellent insight .Marthe Stewart's stay was also most interesting .So very descriptive , caught myself worrying about her .....goes around comes around ....enjoy your stay Elizabeth. What will her nickname be ...???
She won't serve. She has started to charm up the judge
Her hands are in the jury. If convicted, her Judge will sentence her and if won’t be time served or probation, of that I’m sure. One must look to the sentencing guidelines to know why.
I’m not sure how I got here but, your video was incredibly interesting. Thank you.
Thank you so much for commenting and watching. Happy Holidays.
@@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial you’re most welcome. Happy Holidays 😊
She'll have to get used to eating food she doesn't like.
Food in prison was better than expected! You can really get creative learning to cook with food purchased in the commissary.
You share some interesting experiences and good advice. Thanks so much!
You’re welcome. Thank you for watching. Happy holidays!
Thanks for the expert advice and your kind comments!
You’re welcome! Thank you for joining our community.
She's definitely an intelligent sociopath so, she'll end up doing fine. She will con the inmates just like she conned everyone else.
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Sadness... the Horrible Holmes will not do time. Yes I too was young and somewhat evil, and I did no time. Because I walked the 12 steps, I made amends. I don't see Holmes ever saying "sorry" and her having a spiritual awakening without that is not likely
When she has that awakening, her life will improve. It is never too late.
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Narcissists/sociopaths rarely change and make sincere amends.
@@SconesAndTea ... Having the heart to steal millions and billions from others, it takes a stone heart. I doubt she loses sleep over someone losing all their life savings, nor regret doing so.
When you have a spiritual awakening, you don’t desire to punish anyone anymore. You see that everyone is simply another version/form of you! You realize, every person is an example of who you would be and what you would do, had you had their genes and experiences ❤️🩹
@@toryche1310 Hi Tory, I disagree. We are not all the same. There is true evil in this world. The biggest "crimes" in the world are ignorance and indifference practiced religiously by the majority. To counter you more directly, the loving thing could include punishing Elizabeth with 20 years, and by that action, spark a spiritual awakening. The only unifying theme in humanity is self-interest
Excellent channel and info.
Thank you!
Wow! I go through life very cautiously, I don’t live on the edge because I get claustrophobic just thinking about prison and getting every aspect of my life controlled and being humiliated with the strip searches by another human being. Yikes 😬. I remember a TSA agent at the airport putting her fingers in my hair extensions and it took me a month to get over that PTSD. 😭. However, I do know that as human beings, we can adjust to any circumstances and come out feeling that wasn’t so bad after all
Very interesting and helpful video! You're part of giving back to humanity ❤
Thank you!
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@@scottcharney1091 🤣🤣🤣 What would the world do without people to correct our errors. It's not one I make often, either 🤣🤣
@@michellesummers1010 It's my pleasure!
My experience in countty jail was a cold place of sterility on one extreme and bedlam on another. The boring food, the lack of amenities, and no medication for a nasty case of flu I had. Fortunately the judge was lenient RIP Florence Marie Cooper
What you are describing is enough to make you live on the straight and narrow at all costs!!
Well said.
I wonder if they will pass Elizabeth Holmes around like currency?
what are your thoughts on her stay in prison (if it happens) vis a vis her husband, and by extension her as well, being a multi-millionaire
This subject is fascinating. 👀
Been fascinated with it since I went to prison in 2008.
Why in the hell would anybody need a watch if you’re locked up in the joint
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As a long distance runner in prison, I timed my laps. Needed my trusty Timex watch I bought in the commissary ($40 dollars, I think) to make it happen!
Writing from France, where I was deported to 3 years ago, after nearly 5 years in a medium security Missouri prison. I had to restart my life at the age of 61 in a country I had not seen in 50 years! It's been an interesting journey! I've collected lots of stories along the way! I had prepared for many things, but I had not prepared for prison. What I'm curious about is how federal prison is different from state prison. There's some uniformity across the federal prison system but state prisons vary from state to state. My impression is that Missouri is about average on a variety of metrics - some are better and some are worse.
I would think federal prisons are nicer. It would make sense to have them better, this way politicians and their cohorts have a nice place to spend their time.
@@JamesSmith-jq2jc Quite a cynical view of politicians you have there! But not entirely misplaced! I suspect that federal prisons are "nicer" at least to the extent that they represent the US in general, whereas state prisons need not feel as if they are the public face of the US judicial system. The federal prison system has to follow federal laws which state prisons may not be subject to. At the end of the day I'm not sure that there are truly significant differences. I remember that when I was in jail for 8 months that inmates debated whether they would prefer to be in a federal prison vs a state one. One impression I had is that libraries are better stocked than a prison library. That was an important factor for me. Jail libraries are woefully understocked, if they exist at all. (By the way, jail is very different from prison - and jails tend to be worse - sometimes much worse - than prisons. Jails are smaller and subject to funding by the surrounding community. Jails in poor communities will be underfunded, unlike prisons with larger budgets,and federal prisons with budgets larger still).
@@pascalbercker7487 well, I only believe it to be true. In my state of illinois we've had multiple governors go to federal prison, besides other politicians. These sorts are only puppets like most high ranking politicians. They are all controlled by our world powers. Most never see jail or prison because their " handlers " are the ones who control our institutions. The people, aka, slaves, are controlled and manipulated by their valueless currencies. It's the same EVIL that funded hitlers rise to power and WWII. Either way that war would have turned out " they " won and are still destroying mankind, one nation at a time. They use the U.S.A. and its allies to achieve their agendas. Soon we'll be obsolete. It's why we're so in debt. Makes one wonder what is in their LIABILITY FREE vaccines. Hmmm, I smell more war crimes against humanity. What can we do, they OWN the corrupt system.
So glad to hear that sex offenders are deported. Thx for the info!
For clarity, any non American citizen convicted of any federal crime, like tax fraud, faces deportation.
Question: if she gets 10 years, as you suggest, what's the least she could actually serve? And does it go to a parole board, or how is that determined?
There is no parole board in the federal prison system. The day she surrenders she would receive 15% off of her sentence. All prisoners qualify for a good time if they are sentenced to 12 months or more. Therefore, on a 10 year or 120 month sentence, she would receive 15% off that first day leaving her with 102 months. The law currently allows for up to 12 full months in the halfway house. Presuming she received 12 full months, she is left with 90 months or 7.5 years. There is only one early release program in the Federal Bureau of Prisons. It is a substance-abuse program that can take up to 12 months off a sentence. At this time, because she has yet to be convicted or plead guilty, we do not know if she will disclose any history of substance abuse which could qualify her for the program. It is also worth noting that in the Covid era a number of prisoners, like Michael Cohen, have been released early through a compassionate release process. Without a compassionate release or the drug program, on a 10 year sentence I would expect her to serve 7 1/2 years. Lastly, I do not believe she will get 10 years. I was simply using that as an example.
@@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial Great answer, thank you. One more question - did the months, did the years, go by fast or slow for you?
@@ForeverBeach Time flew because I had so much to do! I was never bored nor did I wish for the time to pass. Too many people mistakenly presume that prison time will be "lost time." Not for me or our clients who invest the time to prepare for the hardest part--coming home with a sullied reputation and prison record.
7 to 8 years
there’s no parole in the federal system
one thing I've always wondered, are you allowed to take reading material in with you - eg; a novel (fiction, non-fiction, etc). If I was ever put in prison I'd go bloody bonkers if I had nothing to read! Best wishes from Australia.
I hear you. Me too. But from what I understand as a volunteer they can't take anything inside. They can buy things or have services to send them things.
Looks like the algorithm is going its job, taking breaking news and tunnelling it into some little highly specific but incredibly relevant and interesting channel.
Never thought I'd be here mate, but you've got a sub from me.
Welcome to our channel. So happy to have you here. Pleased to know you found value in this video. Thank you.
Elizabeth and Ghislaine the musical. The jailbirds are cell mates and eventually become friends. Sadly, codependency and enmeshment define their relationship.
All hell breaks loose in the 2nd scene when Elizabeth discovers Ghislain and Chad Daybell in her bed together.
Ghislain reaches out to her network and calls Alex Murdaugh in hopes he will pay her for a romp in the hay with Elizabeth.
Ok your turn
So interesting, I pray I never need to know these things. But thank you.
What a fantastic, intelligent, interesting channel 👍👍👍👍🎉🎉🎉🎉
Thank you so much and welcome to our community!!
This is humbling.
100%
This is awesome to hear!!! Couldn’t happen to a nicer person!!!!
Thank you I’ve been wondering about this I doubt she will sure she thinks she’s going to get off
You're welcome!
My friend is a nurse at the Dublin jail.
Her deep voice will serve her well around the other ladies.
ACTUALLY...in minimum security, the prisoner's DO have peroneal resources where they have reasonable choices. WHERE IS THE "KNOCK / RAP" common?
Do you really need to “prepare” to know not to shake hands with a cop in prison??
Nonviolent prison is a whole lot different from violent prison.
Thank you for the info. You are awesome!!!
You’re kind. Thank you so much.
Very useful!
Thank you!
great advice to those that will listen.
Thank you.
I really wonder if her fiancé will wait for her. I think if she does over 2 years her chances are not good. He's a young handsome guy with millions of dollars and likes to travel the world, party, drive fancy cars, etc. I will be very interested to see how that plays out, because without him she has no money or anything. She'd probably have to move back into parents basement
Time will tell…
well done
Thank you
What is she accused of?
I worked at FCI Dublin in the 1980's It still looks the same. That is where I met most of the celebrities I've ever encountered. 🤯😁 It didn't really feel like a prison. More like a community college. A community college with 12 foot high fences topped with razor wire. Back then it was coed. Now it houses only women. I guess if you have to do time, it's as good a place as any.
“My God it’s happening”
Federal prison sounds so much better then country. The food I wouldn't serve to my dog. Everything was awful. It surely wasn't anything that you've described in your video in Country jail. Federal maybe a step up I guess. Your videos are very helpful thou.
Wow! Just seeing this video, months after you made it, yet merely a few days since EH was just sentenced. I have a question. Why do I keep thinking that wealthy people somehow will be treated differently in prison than those who are not wealthy? I mean, I have read about this being true for mobsters, even for Petrizia Reggiani (formerly Gucci) admitting this in a post prison interview.
Once she wear the prison uniform, it will sink in to her...her real voice will surface!
This woman was recently sentenced to 12 years. That's pretty much the rest of my working career. That's a long time.
Only been to jail, but all the same rules apply. Very good advice.
Thank you.
I like this vid. Good insight.
Thank you so much!
In what prison may you bring your own watch? That makes NO SENSE...
No sense, unless you’re one of our 200 clients who have been able to surrender with a timex watch they bought on Amazon.
@@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial you mean the word nonsense? Okay...that never happened (watches admitted in to a federal prison). That's how El Chapo escaped. Maybe you're discussing 20 years ago?
@@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial Where is the link? I'd love to send that to some of my friend's inside. Let me know how I may go about this? I'm genuinely interested...I think you're discussing regulations over 20 year ago...Prove me wrong
Your videos is very good and so many regular people are going to get much help from it - thank you. Sadly, I feel Holmes will use her army of lawyers (which real people don't have) to get her out of ever seeing a day in prison.
Thank you for your comments. I’m as interested as you to find out what will happen. Like you said, even if Holmes never sees it needs it, it may help people who find themself (as I did) having to face that first day in prison. Be well.
@@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial Holmes needs some jail time or deserves some jail time?
For their is a BIG DIFFERENCE between the two
No way! If Holmes is convicted of ALL charges there's no way she's escaping at least some kind of jail time.
Class warfare animus has taken over this country, as evidenced by the judge not allowing the jury to see evidence of her lavish lifestyle - the defence arguing that would incite "class resentment" in the jury. Rest assured it will be brought up during the sentencing phase.
fascinating. and terrifying as well.
You said it!
Honestly I'd be shocked she goes to prison. Her sentence will be home arrest and probation, I'm almost sure that's how it will work out
If she’s convicted she’s going to federal prison.
Elizabeth Holmes, The BUG EYES Fraudster, And James Holmes The Aurora Theater Shooter, are they releated? Two Bug Eyed Jokers. Both are totally insane.
Your title suggests she IS in prison.
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Shake hands with the guard? What's wrong with you?
Jail is like middle school in the inner city. Some punk going to take your lunch money some other punks going to jump you from behind. And then another punk brings a zip gun to class.
Hi, may I ask why you went to prison?...I was a bit startled when you said that so causally.
Most say there they are sorry for what they did, well it’s a code word for sorry I got caught, yeah that’s it, yeah.
That’s a myth. Similar to when people say most people in prison say they are innocent. Most who are guilty feel remorse.
What do you think will happen to Elizabeth?
this is (sort of) important information for all of us, even the ultra-ethical - prison is something we all need to fathom.
Thank you for watching and for contributing to our community!
Sounds like something close to hell on earth.
Some have described it that way. For me the hardest part was imagining what it would be like-the reality of that first day in prison didn’t match the nightmares I had before I surrendered.
Best thing you can do is hire a prison coach.
Thank you for your video my bf just got arrested and is there and I have no idea what to do
I’m sorry. Call Alec on my team. 704-654-1604
this guy is really excellent. I'd hire him in a heartbeat.
First time I've seen this channel. Sounds like pretty sound advice. I gotta ask tho, what did this guy do?
the only thing this woman is going to be thinking about is her kids
Stumbled over this page .... curious now, what happens to a person, say addicted to the prescription meds they get from their doc (and no one else) OR seriously addicted the alcohol, while seemingly living a normal life til they screw up- let's say steal funds from the company they work for. Are they just forced into horrific withdrawals? That wouldn't help in the first few "lay low, don't make a ker-fuffle" thing!! Anyone know??
I. Will make sure I don’t even drive by prison
Well said
Even if this woman is sentenced to 20 years, how do you know she won't get "camp cupcake" aka Club Fed, instead of hard time?
Loss of freedom is the punishment-your perception is a basic misunderstanding. No matter how well you’re treated your loss of freedom SUCKS
@@dennisdupuis1567 I am personally experienced in a total loss of freedom after being processed into a maximum security county jail - - and spending the first 5 days in solitary confinement, in a cell that smelled foul. Just 5 weeks can feel like five eternities
So there's clearly a difference between soft time and hard time!
Now that I rethink of it, if Elisabeth Holmes does get the latter, I'd feel bad for her.
Hard time doesn't rehabilitate anybody
I reckon she will or already has bought her way out of prison. I believe from what I've read that she is guilty of major fraud but I think she will walk free.
She got 11 years
Day in last day
The one thin I know about dui and duos is that if all you got was probation or prison and no one was maimed or killed including yourself at least you have no loss of life on your hands
Just watch the film ‘Get Hars’
Funny movie!!
I did 8 yrs in the FEDERAL system at a Maxi-MAX in Coleman FP , Brother , NO at the Chow Hall when someone knock ✊ on the table it’s because you’re letting everyone know that you are getting up in peace (no BEEF) so no one can get alarmed , Ms.Holmes well be 100% ok 👍🏼 because in the camp people don’t kill each other , they try to intimidate each other!!! now where I was my handball partner they stabbed him and then he died in my arms! RIP 🪦
Life in a camp or low much different than USP. Glad you are home and well. My partner did eight years at USP in Atlanta.
Sadly, I doubt she's going to watch these videos. It would however most likely behoove her greatly to do so.
The US prison system is just outrageously primitive.
You said you didn't use the bathroom for 5 days? Try 23 days..
Cannot imagine…
Its like going into the military.