As a drummer (who can play many types of paraddiddles), I think that it is simpler to teach people to 'think' and phrase using 2s and 3s MUSICALLY and not get stuck on the 'sticking', because the accented 1/16th note patterns you've demonstrated are simply THAT (eg the first 8 note length phrase consisted of several accented 2 and 3 note groupings, in this case its a 3 3 2 pattern...!). It's the same sound without worrying about 'sticking'. Dave Brubeck made use of this concept in many of his odd time compositions. Odd time Turkish and Greek music also makes use of this. Vinnie Colaiuta (famous drummer who played with Zappa) also thinks this way: in groupings of 2s and 3s. It opens up creative opportunities in ANY time signature or ANY length phrase. People could also save midi files 📂 with all of the accented 2 and 3 note combinations and then just drag and drop that into a project file. To a non-drummer, this is much easier concept and can lead to generating many more rhythmical ideas / options (including polyrhytms). And to a drummer - the midi examples given in this video don't make much sense because a drummer would rarely accent the second note of a double stroke within a parradiddle, especially at faster speeds. Instead they would (and could) play it much more naturally and much faster by using 2 and 3 note groupings of 'stickings' eg RLL RLL RL (3 3 2) or they would simply use accented single strokes. ... Try it by tapping it out on a desk If anyone wants to dive deeper, Gary chaffee (Patterns) and Rick Gratton (Rick's Licks) offer so much value in this way of subdividing beats with accents and applying them to a kit, which has a direct application to programming percussion creatively...! 🤗
What you explain seems really interresting but I did not understood what you were saying, I'm kind of visual guy even for sound. Could you write an example pattern maybe in this fashion : (A)BA(A) - BA(B)B - A(B)AA - (B)AB(B) ? () means accented. Thank you in advance ;-)
Pro tip - get a ML-185 Sequencer in ableton and a drum rack and group them together. make the paradiddle pattern by setting the the pitch values to +1st, 0st, +1st, +1st, 0st, +1st, 0st, 0st and then switch to velocity mode and map each velocity knob to a macro knob. load up your samples in the drum rack at C3 and C#3 and now you can just hit the 'rand' button on the macro area to make endless new paradiddle variations, you can also automate the accents/ghosts changing position over time (perhaps using an m4l LFO) to make cool shifting grooves and other cool things.
Yeah this is a great little hack I know from some time. I think I learned it from Tom Hades. However: I have tried to create a rack of this, but ML185 does not seem to remember the +1st. Everytime you load up the rack you have to manually set 1 to the corresponding steps. The 0 step works perfectly. I do not know why this happens.
@@code.design dont know who tom hades is i just worked it out myself, but in my ableton (latest version of 12) it saves the ML185 state properly. Have you tried grouping it in to a rack and saving rack snapshots?
that's great, just watched your video on the 3-3-2 poly rhythm, and now seeing this. The congas here in the paradiddle with the accents on steps 1, 4 and 7 is like both videos in one :) sounds awesome! Instant groove!
Hey Oscar! It's awesome to see you techno-paradiddling and making this amazing video!! Thank you for the comment highlight 😊 Now that you have the basic paradiddle feel, maybe you could try having a look at the rest of "diddle" rudiments (double paradiddle, triple paradiddle, paradiddle-diddle, etc) and the basic paradiddle inversions (RLLRLRRL, etc). These can make awesome grooves too!
Yeah im going to be exploring more and more rolls and rudiments as i think ill be in situations more often with just two hands drumming on pads, rather than the full 4-limb sit-down drumkit. So much to learn!
There are several different varieties of the paradittle they all have their distinct flavor and feel. I’ve definitely use this exact trick in several of my tracks
I probably sound like a noob (and truthfully when it comes to drum programming I am) but this video finally made sense of most things that confused me about creating my own drum tracks. How cool is that!! Oscar, thanks so much!
Hi Oscar! I'm currently looking for ways to learn how to program percussion in Techno, so your video is perfect (as always). There aren't many videos on Techno percussion, so it would be great if you would do more. I'm not sure that's something you'd like to make videos about, but I'm learning how to produce Industrial Techno, and I find fascinating how producers make different percussive industrial sounds play with each other. It was great that you used the percussive midi pattern with a synth sound, because any sound can have a percussive function in Techno. Another topic that doesn't have many videos is sound selection for Techno. As a beginner, I find it confusing how to match synths with bass, kick, percussion, foley, etc. Thanks for your creative and inspiring videos!
paradiddles, I had almost forgotten my past life as a drummer. never thought about combing my drum knowledge with producing electronic music 😂 thank you fir the reminder. nice outfit, btw. 👍
Great video again! I am also having quite some fun with your Foundations of Electronic Music course. Highly recommend! Funny that now you wear a single ear ring, I discovered you sometimes horizontally mirror the image when having a picture-in-picture 🙂
I love watching your videos for these fantastic tutorials. Can you show us how you create your visual effects that you use at the end of your videos when you're dancing to your music. I'm very interested what software you're using 😊
I’ve been trying to apply this technique for quite some time. I’ve been trying to figure out how to split the groove and it was staring me right in the face. I will say one thing, if you’re at a loss for groove I’d apply groove swing for added flavor. Accents, I’ll base on different rhythms like the clave or hemiola or even a Fibonacci style sequence. That’s it Oscar… marry those two paradiddle and Fibonacci sequence. 😮
Very nice! I actually learnt about the paradiddle with your vidéo, thanks! On the same vein, I learnt a long while ago in school about jazz irregular rhythms, like in Dave Brubeck's Blue Rondo à la turc. It lends to this kind of thing quite well too. At the time, i came up with the following pattern: A B A B B A B A A, I often use it to this day, with hi hats or toms in a techno context.
@@OscarUnderdog yes, so it has some sort of phase effect unless everything is 9/8, but it gives a nice irregularity when used alongside more conventional time signatures
I used to drum as a kid in an army cadet band and when doing paradiddles not only would we use the drum we would also use the stick. If you look at how a jazz drummer holds his stick in the hand that holds the stick through the hand we would hit that at the top and bottom with the other stick.
I have experimented with "the purdie shuffle" but haven't got to any results I would continue to build on (for the moment). Would be fun to see come coverage on it because it uses a different time structure than techno.
Thanks for the drum related videos! Really appreciate it! Maybe here is another topic worth talking about: in my earlier tracks I never used (crash) cymbals. As I'm coming from a rock background I often had the feeling something is missing. In my latest tracks I invested a lot of time trying to program a realistic and interesting crash group (different crashes and splashes on different locations in the stereo field). Sounds not to hard but it's really giving me a headache sometimes making it sound appropriate.. Thinking about using more round robbin vsts like BFD Drums or taking the next step like you did: getting a kit. Do you have some thoughts/hints on this topic? Or.on the more general topic "setting accents"? As.I try to explore cymbals more in my own productions I've for shure listened more carefully to other tracks ... well, I was surprised to recognize the majority of tracks has a lack of cymbals!
We're thinking about very similar topics! I think the best tracks have an interesting high end with depth and complexity, but not a lot of cymbals really! Usually I feel there's closed hihats or open hihats on the upbeat, some secondary hat pattern often with some delays, some splashy ride cymbals to accentuate a section, and maybe a crash cymbal or reverse to mark a transition. Those seem (for now) the most obvious ingedients. Also, I'd say don't disregard the crunchy high end of some distorted mid elements - they can sometimes be mixed to contribute to the high end of the track... but it's all so situational, it's hard to give advice without becoming formulaic!
Fuck yeah, im gonna look into more drum techniques to use, ghost notes and flams are important. I used to drum but switched to electronic production after injuring my wrist
i make industrial music, and its TOUGH to find a drummer that can play paradiddles. for me, at least. i just end up programming them. cool video. Mainly rock/metal drummers around.
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As a drummer (who can play many types of paraddiddles), I think that it is simpler to teach people to 'think' and phrase using 2s and 3s MUSICALLY and not get stuck on the 'sticking', because the accented 1/16th note patterns you've demonstrated are simply THAT (eg the first 8 note length phrase consisted of several accented 2 and 3 note groupings, in this case its a 3 3 2 pattern...!).
It's the same sound without worrying about 'sticking'.
Dave Brubeck made use of this concept in many of his odd time compositions. Odd time Turkish and Greek music also makes use of this.
Vinnie Colaiuta (famous drummer who played with Zappa) also thinks this way: in groupings of 2s and 3s.
It opens up creative opportunities in ANY time signature or ANY length phrase.
People could also save midi files 📂 with all of the accented 2 and 3 note combinations and then just drag and drop that into a project file.
To a non-drummer, this is much easier concept and can lead to generating many more rhythmical ideas / options (including polyrhytms).
And to a drummer - the midi examples given in this video don't make much sense because a drummer would rarely accent the second note of a double stroke within a parradiddle, especially at faster speeds. Instead they would (and could) play it much more naturally and much faster by using 2 and 3 note groupings of 'stickings' eg RLL RLL RL (3 3 2) or they would simply use accented single strokes.
... Try it by tapping it out on a desk
If anyone wants to dive deeper, Gary chaffee (Patterns) and Rick Gratton (Rick's Licks) offer so much value in this way of subdividing beats with accents and applying them to a kit, which has a direct application to programming percussion creatively...! 🤗
This is a super helpful comment, thanks for this! I definitely see the wisdom in this approach.
Holy shit this makes so much sense
What you explain seems really interresting but I did not understood what you were saying, I'm kind of visual guy even for sound. Could you write an example pattern maybe in this fashion : (A)BA(A) - BA(B)B - A(B)AA - (B)AB(B) ? () means accented. Thank you in advance ;-)
Pro tip - get a ML-185 Sequencer in ableton and a drum rack and group them together. make the paradiddle pattern by setting the the pitch values to +1st, 0st, +1st, +1st, 0st, +1st, 0st, 0st and then switch to velocity mode and map each velocity knob to a macro knob. load up your samples in the drum rack at C3 and C#3 and now you can just hit the 'rand' button on the macro area to make endless new paradiddle variations, you can also automate the accents/ghosts changing position over time (perhaps using an m4l LFO) to make cool shifting grooves and other cool things.
Thaaaaanks for sharing this amazing tip Daniel :) Congrats cause the video
Yeah this is a great little hack I know from some time. I think I learned it from Tom Hades.
However: I have tried to create a rack of this, but ML185 does not seem to remember the +1st.
Everytime you load up the rack you have to manually set 1 to the corresponding steps. The 0 step works perfectly.
I do not know why this happens.
@@code.design dont know who tom hades is i just worked it out myself, but in my ableton (latest version of 12) it saves the ML185 state properly. Have you tried grouping it in to a rack and saving rack snapshots?
that's great, just watched your video on the 3-3-2 poly rhythm, and now seeing this. The congas here in the paradiddle with the accents on steps 1, 4 and 7 is like both videos in one :) sounds awesome! Instant groove!
I've been a drummer waay long before than I started making EDM and never thought of integrating the paradiddle logic this way into EDM, thanks!
Just at the right time.
I've been chasing this sort of texturing eversince the Stone Techno festival.
Eyyyy I was there myself last week!
Omg how was the festival? It looked truly amazing.
i've been wondering how to do drum programming like this for a while so thank you oscar
Fantastic! I made your Music producer course! Congratulations bro, your way to teach is another level !
Love getting inspiration from Underdog videos. I tend to do more Electro than Techno, but this could work very well on those types of tracks, too.
Hey Oscar! It's awesome to see you techno-paradiddling and making this amazing video!! Thank you for the comment highlight 😊
Now that you have the basic paradiddle feel, maybe you could try having a look at the rest of "diddle" rudiments (double paradiddle, triple paradiddle, paradiddle-diddle, etc) and the basic paradiddle inversions (RLLRLRRL, etc). These can make awesome grooves too!
Yeah im going to be exploring more and more rolls and rudiments as i think ill be in situations more often with just two hands drumming on pads, rather than the full 4-limb sit-down drumkit. So much to learn!
Thanks, Oscar! You inspired me and made me fall in love with techno! Now I have been study and practice it already half of a year)
There are several different varieties of the paradittle they all have their distinct flavor and feel. I’ve definitely use this exact trick in several of my tracks
Oscar you are the best teacher out there! Awesome content as Always, thank you 😊
That was so useful and thank you for making it quick! There's a lot of great stuff to learn on YT but I always go for the short videos.
This is useful man! I also added a slight shuffle. Instant Paula Temple.
I probably sound like a noob (and truthfully when it comes to drum programming I am) but this video finally made sense of most things that confused me about creating my own drum tracks. How cool is that!! Oscar, thanks so much!
Oh nice that’s exactly what I was looking for. Can’t wait to play with it on my Akai Force 🙌
This is absolutely bangin! You're the man Oscar!
Awesome tutorial!!
Great video!! 😊🙏🏻 Some good insights, especially the polyrhythmic accent pattern 💡 👌🏻 Thank you!
Hi Oscar! I'm currently looking for ways to learn how to program percussion in Techno, so your video is perfect (as always). There aren't many videos on Techno percussion, so it would be great if you would do more. I'm not sure that's something you'd like to make videos about, but I'm learning how to produce Industrial Techno, and I find fascinating how producers make different percussive industrial sounds play with each other. It was great that you used the percussive midi pattern with a synth sound, because any sound can have a percussive function in Techno. Another topic that doesn't have many videos is sound selection for Techno. As a beginner, I find it confusing how to match synths with bass, kick, percussion, foley, etc. Thanks for your creative and inspiring videos!
Yeah im thinking more about this topic! I probably will make something on it soon!
@@OscarUnderdog That's great! Thanks!
This video is absolutely INCREDIBLE; I wish I would've paid more attention in beginner drumming :(
paradiddles, I had almost forgotten my past life as a drummer. never thought about combing my drum knowledge with producing electronic music 😂 thank you fir the reminder. nice outfit, btw. 👍
Great video again! I am also having quite some fun with your Foundations of Electronic Music course. Highly recommend!
Funny that now you wear a single ear ring, I discovered you sometimes horizontally mirror the image when having a picture-in-picture 🙂
Great tutorial! Straight to the point and immediately actionable!
Your videos are just too good man, thanks!
Huge! Oscar, you've hit the jackpot!
This is gold, thank you Oscar!
The accented rhythm is a tresillo (first half of a son-clave)
Haha spoke too soon (next patterns the other son-clave part ) as you say.
Brilliant! Thank you. You can do a lot with this pattern!!
What a wicked, unexpected but crazily useful video!👏🏼
very nice! more drumming please!
Great video! Thank you, Oscar!
Dude this is exactly what i've been trying to figure out thank you! Legend
I love watching your videos for these fantastic tutorials. Can you show us how you create your visual effects that you use at the end of your videos when you're dancing to your music. I'm very interested what software you're using 😊
I think this is my favourite video
Amazing sounds at the end, Oscar you rule the Techno game.
Inspiring as always ❤ thanks!
I’ve been trying to apply this technique for quite some time. I’ve been trying to figure out how to split the groove and it was staring me right in the face.
I will say one thing, if you’re at a loss for groove I’d apply groove swing for added flavor. Accents, I’ll base on different rhythms like the clave or hemiola or even a Fibonacci style sequence.
That’s it Oscar… marry those two paradiddle and Fibonacci sequence. 😮
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0:53 I appreciate that motion tracking, I know that can be difficult!
All your videos are gold 👏
Bro u gave to me the sound/ritmo that I was looking for
Sick tip! Thanks for sharing 😊
Really good stuff man
your energy and enthusiasm is always so infectious. thank you so much for sharing what you know!!❤
So cool! More please 😊
Very nice! I actually learnt about the paradiddle with your vidéo, thanks! On the same vein, I learnt a long while ago in school about jazz irregular rhythms, like in Dave Brubeck's Blue Rondo à la turc. It lends to this kind of thing quite well too. At the time, i came up with the following pattern: A B A B B A B A A, I often use it to this day, with hi hats or toms in a techno context.
Oh cool, thats a 9-note pattern then, right?
@@OscarUnderdog yes, so it has some sort of phase effect unless everything is 9/8, but it gives a nice irregularity when used alongside more conventional time signatures
very cool. Thank you for teaching me something today mate!
Great VIDEO ☺♥♥♪
This pattern changed my life🥰
Amen break of techno lol
Used to play in drum corps in the late 90s… many of my peers went on to make techno. Seemed like an obvious next step
Very cool. Thanks for making this. I don’t make techno but I will be trying this in progressive house style.
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cheers oscar, sweet little technique. hope you had a grand old time at stone
Brilliant i needed some inspiration thank you ☮️🧡
This is such a great tip!
Nice contribution--coming in handy right now--nice on 303 acid lines.
Excellent video thanks for making and sharing
I used to drum as a kid in an army cadet band and when doing paradiddles not only would we use the drum we would also use the stick.
If you look at how a jazz drummer holds his stick in the hand that holds the stick through the hand we would hit that at the top and bottom with the other stick.
As somebody who got trained on drums I enjoyed this video very much. Well done, Oscar.
I've been doing this since the early 90s. First time I've shown a track with this system, everyone is like: "Daf*k"?
Thank You Oscar !!
Great recipe Ken. Bit jealous on your olive oil. In Holland it doesnt get that pure
Excellent
Brilliant thank you!
Awesome! Love the video, thanks.
Well…that was… cool! Thanks for sharing!
Awesome!
I have experimented with "the purdie shuffle" but haven't got to any results I would continue to build on (for the moment). Would be fun to see come coverage on it because it uses a different time structure than techno.
awesome sauce
Thanks a Lot! ❤
So good!
Love this
S-tier video
Nice, can’t wait to try this out with the world jv expansion :)
I Love This
Thanks for the drum related videos! Really appreciate it! Maybe here is another topic worth talking about: in my earlier tracks I never used (crash) cymbals. As I'm coming from a rock background I often had the feeling something is missing. In my latest tracks I invested a lot of time trying to program a realistic and interesting crash group (different crashes and splashes on different locations in the stereo field). Sounds not to hard but it's really giving me a headache sometimes making it sound appropriate.. Thinking about using more round robbin vsts like BFD Drums or taking the next step like you did: getting a kit. Do you have some thoughts/hints on this topic? Or.on the more general topic "setting accents"? As.I try to explore cymbals more in my own productions I've for shure listened more carefully to other tracks ... well, I was surprised to recognize the majority of tracks has a lack of cymbals!
We're thinking about very similar topics! I think the best tracks have an interesting high end with depth and complexity, but not a lot of cymbals really! Usually I feel there's closed hihats or open hihats on the upbeat, some secondary hat pattern often with some delays, some splashy ride cymbals to accentuate a section, and maybe a crash cymbal or reverse to mark a transition. Those seem (for now) the most obvious ingedients. Also, I'd say don't disregard the crunchy high end of some distorted mid elements - they can sometimes be mixed to contribute to the high end of the track... but it's all so situational, it's hard to give advice without becoming formulaic!
Reminds me of dancing cows, looked from the back :)
Very cool ideas
It’s the down with the sickness lady !!
merci!
Thank you
That’s pretty cool
Fantastico vederti...
Use the "Herta" pattern from Meshuggah bleed into techno!
❤ Excellent I think so 🎉🎉🎉😂 Ciauu
very nice
super cool!
accent patterns changed my life
Super !
Kool video …. Made from a comment ❤ , sounding nice. I’d like to hear the full track
New rabbit hole unlocked 🔓
Fuck yeah, im gonna look into more drum techniques to use, ghost notes and flams are important. I used to drum but switched to electronic production after injuring my wrist
i make industrial music, and its TOUGH to find a drummer that can play paradiddles. for me, at least. i just end up programming them. cool video. Mainly rock/metal drummers around.
noice
Pa-na-ma : Pa-na-ma : Cu-ba
It’s also an interesting rhythmic concept to check out
Yeah indeed, that 332 pattern is foundational! And yet so simple in a way. Can be hard to build a whole video around, but it's on my mind a lot :D
👏🤩
-Now the same thing but using tabla-
Great
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