"Traffic delays and congestion are expected to cause a sustainable, genetically diverse population of necessary pressures in the magnetic flow charts of a shampoo and a conditioner all in one bottle. People find it easier not to question things that appear to be nonsensical when a self-fulfilling momentum is established in outer space, including a coffee machine and a well-stocked fridge with many different types of drinks. Crystal clear memories of rubber duckies offer an actual definition of opening portals in touch with reality. It is pretty obvious now." ---Albert Einstein
No, no nonononoooo... When you argue with an idiot, its not to convince them, its to demonstrate they're an idiot to the others around them- so those others don't start/continue believing the idiot.
"Babies are born Muslim" Yeah, I remember when I came out the womb. My first words were the Shahada, and then Mom shouted, "Knock it off, we're Catholic!"
I find that claim incredibly offensive and anyone making that claim in all seriousness, especially the idiots talking about "reverts" need to be arrested, as basically they're saying that _all_ non muslims can be killed. Not only that, but my memory goes back a hell of a long way (I remember nappies, big, scary safety pins, etc [please, no jokes about that being last week]) and at no point did I ever believe in a god, let alone the immoral, illogical, idiotic god of islam. It simply didn't occur to me. These people are fuckwits.
His argument that they are Muslim because they "follow the will of their creator" is complete rubbish too. The dude in red correctly pointed out that everyone is born an atheist, Hamza then tries to claim that they are Muslim. Firstly, he fails to show that a creator exists. Babies follow their evolved instincts. Secondly, he fails to show that they believe in a god or gods, and are therefore theists.
He's the type of guy that assumes he's the smartest person in the room, wherever he is. But when people start to contradict him, he stalls, doesn't let them answer, and when they walk away because he's a lost cause, he assumes he's won. He's too stupid to realize he's not a genius.
If I was a theist, I would be ashamed, deeply embarassed to be associated with that guy! He must have learnt the language of fallacies, instead of english.
When he said when did you become an atheist the guy gave the perfect answer. Everyone is born atheists until they are introduced to religion. Hence why there are so many different religions and not just one. If everyone knew who and what god was from birth then we would only have one single religion and faith across the world.
I disagree. I believe everyone is born innocent/ignorant, without the capacity to understand the concept of gods. The literal definition of the Greek word "Atheos," that so many militant atheists are firmly tied to, is overly broad and practically meaningless, since defining atheism as simply lacking belief in gods, would mean that even rocks are atheist. To me, atheism is the rejection of the theist claim that gods exist. In order to reject a claim, one must be able to understand it. This leaves out babies and rocks. Once a child is old enough to understand, they can be introduced to the concept of gods, usually by theist parents. At this point, they become theists because it is the rare child who doubts what their parents have told them. Once they are old enough to start declaring their independence, they may start to question their parents' claims. This is when they will either remain theists or become atheists. You are correct though. If everyone was born with knowledge of god, if there is indeed only one, there would only be one religion.
@@terryfall8915 I could argue that rocks being atheist is not really a logical problem, however, that's sort of a sneaky way of avoiding your point. The term "atheist" only has meaning because of "theism." So in that regard, I agree with you that slapping that label on someone who has never heard of a god concept would be an improper application of the label. Technically, they are "atheist" but it doesn't have any meaning to them, because they have no idea what theism is. However, I don't really see a practical difference in the distinction. I've never heard of, or thought of a god concept that I could say "I believe that exists." Everything else is semantics.
well thats where misrepresenting atheism conveniently comes in. suddenly atheism is a choice, as if you have to choose between theism and atheism lmao.
Gosh. This Hamza guy is super annoying. Whenever he asked others, he never gave them the time to fully express what they wanted to say. He kept interrupting them. And then when it's time for him to explain, he wanted everyone to listen to him. What a clown!
@@TheSkepTick I have so much respect to the guy in red t-shirt and the one beside him as they could stay calm. I mean, my blood pressure escalated just watching Hamza scoffing and throwing non-arguments as he's so disrespectful. Thanks Rainbow Giraffe that I never see street preachers in Scotland (apart from the mormon missionaries).
@@frahman_ I would never punch someone. In the face or any other way... This guy makes me regret this life choice. I have so mutch respect to those guys.
@@Fabian46544 I know, right? I mean, the best that I could do in that situation would be leaving that court of clown, otherwise some punching there would be.
That was a difficult one. I'm not sure why back-to-back assertions with no demonstration combined with an absolute unwillingness to listen to dissenting views wore me out so much... but man. I've got a headache.
The better question is, how can someone chose to know if they do not know? (as the question implies being able to chose between knowing and not knowing). So them not knowing, is obviously not a choice ...
@@Ikhlashasib10 We don't even know if 'nothing' can even 'exist'. So no, we do not know if 'something can come from nothing' nor if 'nothing' is actually possible in the first place. If 'nothing' is not even possible, then the question 'can something come out of nothing' is obviously flawed, as there never was 'nothing' ...
@@probablynotmyname8521 you said it's okay to say "i don't know" when you don't know something and i agree but when someone asked you a question like can something come from nothing you can't answer by saying i don't know in that situation cuz you have intellect and reason to know something cannot come from nothing so the infamous atheist phrase ' i don't know" won't work there son. Use your LOGIC and RATIONALITY simple as that it's not hard.
@@Chatinbed Wow. I got enough at 7:45. That's got to mean something about the average length of time a human can stand to listen to bullshit, like obvious, grating, stupid, bullshit.
Hamza is a fast talking simpleton that I’ve had the displeasure of speaking to in more than once, and his ignorance about atheism and science is on full display…
It's funny how he defines "being X", where X is a member of any non-muslim religion, as believing the doctrines of X, but defines "being muslim" as… being born. And it's weird that nobody in the audience pointed that out. It's quite telling when he looks away from the crowd to the camera of his cohort, grinning because he thinks he's scoring lots of points. This man is just a troll.
This delusion is not limited to him only, it is in fact a mandated belief that all Muslims must adhere to, for it is mentioned explicitly in the Quran and the Hadith. The whole doctrine however is a complete fiasco, it's basis in the Quran reveals a narrative contradiction, independent Hadith narrations makes zero sense given the history of organized religion and Hadith narrations surrounding that Quranic verse promote nothing short of fatalism.
Love the bonus of the display of differences in how western society expects males vs females to debate a point. All the males were combative while the only female shown to really debate had to softball and nicely deliver her points "I'm not trying to argue with you, I'm just trying to understand" sorry not sorry social science nerd in me. And I'm very upset that no one acknowledged Lisa the Rainbow Giraffe, leaf be upon her
"You're a baby! How can you have choice?" But you were the one espousing that not believing is a choice 30 seconds ago. Like wtf? "Can you understand that logic?" No, because you're being inconsistent by not paying attention to what you're saying. This dude is nuts, pure and simple.
I can't imagine anyone listening to Hamza and actually gain conviction, that was such a gish gallop that ultimately ended up sounding like "I believe this therefor it's true"
Between talking over top of people, speaking as quickly as possible and shouting I find this person completely intolerable. I am impressed with the people attempting to engage with him and not just telling him to go to hell.
Good video.But after witnessing many debates over the years,I have realized that,when it comes to debates,the most annoying interlocutor is the one that talks over his opponent constantly.
I never chose to be an atheist. Actually I chose to be a religiously affiliated agnostic, but neither I chose to be an agnostic: I chose to keep my home religion and to commit to it despite I couldn't believe in specific supernatural claims. I didn't choose not to believe in supernatural claims, I just grew too skeptical on them. But eventually I couldn't agree with certain core values of my home religion, I apostatized, and when I recoiled I figured out that I had been an atheist for a while. If a baby is submitting to the creator in the way Hamza means, my apostacy was pretty much submitting to the creator in exactly the same way. My atheism is the nature the creator chose for me because I cannot be something else: I cannot believe such creator is even possible. As babies cannot believe in Jesus, Ganesh, or Mohammed, or even the concept of a creator. And when I say that I can't believe in a creator, I don't mean that the concept is too complicated for me to understand -and that's the difference between a baby and me-. I mean that I can't see any claim of a creator or other form of a god as anything different than mythology and fiction.
(of course, these were my responses to Hamza as I watched this video in the refuge of my home. Have I been live out there with his rapid spreed words, I might not have done better than the guys there.)
Look, everyone knows that, in a debate, only one person gets to speak, and that one person is allowed the privilege of lies changing into facts. They are also capable of reading every mind of every onlooker and dictating their thoughts to them. Then, that one person wins the argument, and everyone else feels stupid for daring to even think of disagreeing. THAT is how you have a constructive debate.
I'm beginning to wish that we would do that exact thing (lie till the the head glows red) just to counter every bullshit with bullshit and see when they get to be truly frustrated.
All theists assert that their beliefs are facts. They really don't like it, when people ask them for supporting evidence for their 'beliefs'. When I went to school, I learned that the word 'belief', and the word 'fact', had different meanings.
@@FactStorm These people can present a threat to society, because society may not conform to their 'assumed standards'. This is due to the differences between reality, and what these people prefer to believe the reality to be.
@@clemstevenson Indoctrination is the main problem, and society's stupidity. Billions of 21st century people believing in miracles, prophecies and messiahs. The level of idiocy is quite unsettling
@@FactStorm I am very well aware of the fact that many people are actually desperate to believe in things that are literally impossible. And I don't mean taking a pocket calculator back to 1910, because it would look like magic. I am talking about people who want to believe in things that cannot ever be replicated. In the 90s, I met a woman who was sure that she could communicate with the dead in her own handwriting. Bullshit. She was making it up in her head. And then there were the people who had 'special' dreams...The dreams were, in reality, unprovable, as well as being meaningless.
@@clemstevenson It scares me just how seamless it is to beguile humans. Your average Joe & Jane gobble up just about anything. That's why we have global warming denial, anti vax movements, religions, paranormal hunters, horoscopes and other quackeries. LOL, If I didn't laugh then I would cry!
Probably cut out the part where Red Shirt said “You must believe that it’s Allah’s will that I think Allah is just another fictional douchebag… and that I am submitting to the will of Allah. Am I a Muslim?”
When he's shown to be wrong, he just yells louder. He has not a single clue what he's talking about. Not a single clue. If only he realized how ridiculous he looks to the rest of us, he would hide in a hole and never come out.
Apparently talking over someones answer means they have no answer for your question. Hamza sounds like he has a script memorized and does not want to get side tracked by actually listening to answers to the questions in his script.
Unreasonable man shouts fallacies at top speed in hopes of confusing and confounding people he never intends to let get a word in edgewise, let alone have a conversation with in the first place. Gotcha.
00:17 Yes! I have a PhD in chemistry, but yesterday a manual labourer demonstrated to me the correct way of threading a weed-eater. I'm grateful that I now know the way I did it before was wrong.
@@TheSkepTick thank you for misguiding her you will have double the punishment for every person you are going to misguide unless you repent before your death of course
@@ismailmounsif1109Cope and Seethe Abdul. Also, think about this whilst you are coping, why would an omnipotent and omniscient divine choose to allow these people to run around in rhe first place? He doesn't need to test us, he doesn't need to even create us in our current state, nor does he need to create the potential for disbelief and misguidance, why would he then do all of this, knowing that it will only increase the amount of people he will have to torture in hell?
I came to this video from the point of view of an atheist, but now I'm starting to question that. Can you please send me some more information on Giraffeism?
"Why have you chosen 'I don't know'?" It's called intellectual honesty. I know you don't get that, but, it's better to admit you don't know than just making unbacked assertions. 🙄
"Submitting to the will of the creator" is kind of funny, when you've admitted that you can't prove that a creator even exists. We're just presupposing things, aren't we? This is what happens when you just remember and repeat things that you've read or heard somewhere without thinking about it.
And he just casually throws the word out there "submit" - like it isn't a super weird and creepy thing to tell people to do. Even if he could prove his god's existence - I'd still want a good reason why I should "submit"
Its because Islam hasnt 'matured', for want of a better word, like Christianity has. Its only really in recent years that Islam has come under anywhere close to the same scrutiny or questioning as Christianity, so they simply dont have the same techneques that Christians have to attempt to make their religion sound more reasonable, so they have to crib of Christianity, which makes them sound lazy. It also doesnt help that Islam has all of the problems of Christianity and absolutely none of its slightly redeeming points.
@@marcusreading3783 fact that its not exactly the safest job to critique islam in predominantly islam countries aint really helping either. if your flock is scared of even asking questions, then you dont have to think about arguments or apologetics that much. so all we are left is few apologists living in countries where they cant just scare people into believing and since, due to above, amount of apologetics material is very limited, all they can do is copy paste christian arguments and try to fit them with islam.
I can refute his point about deciding on religion at the "age of enlightenment". I first starting thinking god, heaven, and Angel's weren't real at the age of 7! I remember distinctly thinking this is a lie. And throughout my life I have found nothing to alter that decision. The more I read of holy books and other media, the more my atheism has grown. This clown is insanely wrong about EVERYTHING! 🤦♂️
Yup, I was 11. The WORST thing a Christian can do is encourage someone to read the Bible. The more I read the more I was convinced it was all horseshit.
What did you think before the age of 7? So basically, 7 was your age of enlightenment. You were obviously a lot smarter than other children your age. Probably smarter than a lot of adults. I'm not saying you're wrong in being an atheist. I'm saying you began to understand things at a very young age and that was your age of enlightenment. Basically, you're not really refuting the point.
@@terryfall8915 I see your point, but I wasn't sure before that. I had heard from different sources and it just seemed weird to me. I was raised Jewish in the Bible Belt, so I saw both views. As I got older I looked into religion through books and it just reinforced my idea of atheism. How ever, these types of people not only assert that they are correct with flimsy evidence, but they also assert ages in which you are able to decide. Again, I can absolutely see your point.
"How can a baby have a choice?" A baby is born not believing in a god because you can't believe in anything you haven't been introduced to or even conceive of.
True. If all people except for let's say native Americans would suddenly die and these natives never had contact to other religions, there will never be Christianity, Buddhism, the Islam or any other religion like that again. These religions would die and never come up again the way they were before. A baby who's never exposed to Christianity, Buddhism, the Islam, will never belief in those things and either stay atheist or make up new things themselves. That's why there are so many different beliefs on this planet.
Hamza is just another dishonest apologist, he has a script and is very good at making sure he's never pushed off of it. The moment things go against him he turns to someone else or changes the subject. His whole technique is Gish Gallop on speed. One day I shall go to Speakers Corner but I don't know whether I'll bother with him or the other motor mouth purveyors of falshood who tend to gather there to see what trouble they can stir up. I'd like to see his proof that Ganesh doesn't exist or any of the other Hindu gods or an explainatino of why babies aren't born Hindu or Christian or Jewish, oh, wait, they are... Of course you'll never get to hear any of that because he'll just Gish Gallop away from the questions he knows he can't answer. It's very dishonest but then he doesn't care, he's not there to exchange ideas or engage in a conversation, he's there to push his religion on anyone who'll listen and to rake in the money from his acolytes who think he's defeating atheists and defending the faith. It's kind of sad but in a very infuriating way. ON the plus side I think it's a technique which drives away more people than it convinces. All I can say, though, is he lieterally gives me a headache.
Hamza sounds like an auctioneer with how fast he talks. I wonder what reaction he would get if he tried any other gods/goddesses/supernatural beings.🤔😂
Ray cherry picks his targets. You can bet your arse that hes had his arse handed to him more than once, but theres no way that those encounters end up in his videos. In fact, I'd bet good money that he just leaves the moment it looks like hes about to get answers he doesnt want.
as someone form a rather atheist society .. it took me until i am 6 years old to even hear about a god ^^, and how strange that christianity never apeared somewhere without a someone spreading it there first
As an American some of my earliest memories are of the church and I was also baptized and circumcised. I've been an atheist about twenty years now though
I love how close Hamza was with having a revolation when he did the whole money thing. The guy didn't know what was in his hand because he couldn't see it. Hamza opened his hand to show money. After that point, if you ask what's in the now closed hand, as long as nothing has changed, you can safely state that money is in his hand since he now knows it's there. Hamza provided visual evidence to prove that money exists within his hand at that time. We are still waiting for any form of visual evidence that a god exists.
Hearing blackshirt explaining the evidence for evolution in the background and getting no attention just made me laugh a little Also his whole point for 20 mins was "My creator is unfalsifiable so you have no evidence against it" then he starts criticizing a falsifiable theory that we actually can prove as an "alternative" hence immediately disproving his God without us even having to say anything.
@@TheSkepTick but it’s true tho every society have their evidences that they accept in court to much have dropped your brain somewhere look for it I advice you
How did I miss last week's video? I always watch the second I get an alert that you posted. I thoroughly enjoy your channel. You and Sir Sic are the two most entertaining channels there are. Going to watch now. Thanks for being so good at what you do! Don't ever give up.
If instinct is "the will of the creator," why is Islam a 'recent' religion? And why would it have rules and rituals, wouldn't the only rule be to follow one's instinct?
It is not a recent religion prophet Mohammed may peace be upon him is the last prophet from many prophets and the first prophet Is Adam may peace be upon him don’t talk with ignorance fool
@@ismailmounsif1109Admit it, it is a recent religion. What we define as "muslims", that being adherents of the islamic faith, those that engage in all of its rituals and all of its beliefs, did not exist prior to Muhammad. What are you doing right here with your comment is basically the same as what Hamza was doing in his video, you are asserting that your religion is not a "recent religion" using evidence from your religion.
Oh thee floating circle how you have help me change my way, Instead of watching your videos in the afternoon I watch them at the start of the day. All Praise to the floating circle Hallow be his accent
9:35 is that Nick Frost to the right with the backwards black hat?!!!! You know, the guy from the Simon Pegg movies like Shaun of the Dead and Hot Fuzz?
I'm amazed at the size of the crowd. Usually one or two will hang around to listen to this accident preach his verbal waste. Either they're really interested in what's spewing out this preacher's sewer. Or they are really starving for entertainment.
I don't know. Maybe they just staying there because the guy is so obviously wrong about everything. In such situations it's realy hard to resist telling someone how wrong he is. It's kind of irresistible to correct him. Like seeing a trainwreck in slowmotion. You just can't look away.
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People were quite nice to Hamza and quite capable of answering his questions. Only fool there was Hamza himself :-)
I think the only way that video might have shown an ignorant atheist, would be if we mutilated the definition of atheist to include Hamza. Hey, if he can play so fast and loose with claims about babies being muslim, turnabout is fair play. The problem with fudging definitions to be so broad as he seems to want, is that the word defined becomes nearly useless. And while I think it is a legitimate question, that is what would be good evidence to demonstrate the existence of a God, I think Hamza's distraction tactic was probably his best shot. Because I have a suspicion that if he had presented his evidence, nobody would have been impressed. It's hard to present evidence for an unfalsifiable premise. But considering the religious claims about God and his properties, there are a lot of things that I would expect to see that I don't.
So babies natural behaviour is actually submiting to it's creator? You could say that about everything, there's no logic, it's a non sequitur. Take any natural occuring thing and say it's just submiting to the creator.
I've been a non-believer since i was 5 years old despite MANY adults trying to convince me of god so based on his logic i just debunked his whole belief system because of my age back then...
The creator you’re describing hasn’t met the burden of proof so it is safe to assume it doesn’t exist although your earlier definition of the creator kinda cancelled itself out so we are good.
@@Ikhlashasib10 does God mold babies in their mother’s wombs out of dirt or is a natural process that follows laws of biology and physics? 1. If you study evolution that is accepted by the consensus of the educated world, it will help you understand how things developed naturally without magic. I know it’s hard because so many creationists twist what is actually taught. No humans don’t come from monkeys, no we don’t think everything came from nothing, we don’t think it was a big accident. Evolution doesn’t involve anything making choices like a creature choosing to be taller etc. 2. If you believe that a god created everything then you have to look at bad things too. Parasites that kill millions every year. Worms that blind children as a necessary part of their reproduction. Also, if a god created animals he put into place a system of death and torture for billions of animals for millions of years before man was even around to “sin”. Why did god design sweet innocent animals deserve to be ripped apart alive by viscous killing machines like owls and lions?
So I saw the thumbnail and was very puzzled as to why Skep Tick was getting worked up by athletes being ignorant. Which is the sort of thing that happens when I try to read without my glasses. And I suppose when we try to reason without the Creator. Damn, I'm watching too many of these videos
'Actually doxastic voluntarism is a very uncommonly held position. Can you choose to believe what side the coin will land on before it is flipped? That's different to picking which side you will bet on.'
"Do you understand the basic logic that you choose not to believe" This one is just so blatantly wrong. That guy could have jumped on it and explained the fact that beliefs aren't a choice.
Does anyone find this appealing? I mean obviously his arguments are nonsense, but who does he think he's reaching with this weird arrogant, fast style of talking? So odd...
Damn. Talking with that guy, it's like playing chess with a pigeon : he's shiting all over the board, and think he won. I don't understand how he can even post this kind of video of himself, it's so embarrassing. It's always frustrating to see dumb people, thinking they are smart, treating other people like THEY were the dumb ones.
Bring out the Bingo cards, and let's play a game of Logical Fallacy Bingo. The downside is that for long stretches, his word salad doesn't even rise to identifiable fallacies.
I made it past the halfway point. His "argument" makes me think he is an atheist troll. If he is a true believer, and these flaccid "gotcha" attempts at reasoning are what converted him to Islam, then I'm amazed his family lets him out of the house without supervision. I honestly wonder if he grapples with object permanence.
this dude has literally not let a single person finish their sentence this whole video...
Thats what you do when you are really confident in your beliefs!
NEVER argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
"Traffic delays and congestion are expected to cause a sustainable, genetically diverse population of necessary pressures in the magnetic flow charts of a shampoo and a conditioner all in one bottle. People find it easier not to question things that appear to be nonsensical when a self-fulfilling momentum is established in outer space, including a coffee machine and a well-stocked fridge with many different types of drinks. Crystal clear memories of rubber duckies offer an actual definition of opening portals in touch with reality. It is pretty obvious now."
---Albert Einstein
"Once you go full rubber ducky, you never go back."
---Albert Einstein
No, no nonononoooo...
When you argue with an idiot, its not to convince them, its to demonstrate they're an idiot to the others around them- so those others don't start/continue believing the idiot.
@@satanofficial3902 big fan of your work... and your cameo's on gray still plays...
@@satanofficial3902 Satan's a Quake fan?
"Babies are born Muslim"
Yeah, I remember when I came out the womb. My first words were the Shahada, and then Mom shouted, "Knock it off, we're Catholic!"
To be fair, babies do spend a lot of time on their knees and palms, although only for a small amount of that time are they actually facing Mecca…
I find that claim incredibly offensive and anyone making that claim in all seriousness, especially the idiots talking about "reverts" need to be arrested, as basically they're saying that _all_ non muslims can be killed.
Not only that, but my memory goes back a hell of a long way (I remember nappies, big, scary safety pins, etc [please, no jokes about that being last week]) and at no point did I ever believe in a god, let alone the immoral, illogical, idiotic god of islam. It simply didn't occur to me.
These people are fuckwits.
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@@lidbass ...somethingsomething being loud and annoying to the general public and making everyone absolutely hate their incompetent parents.
His argument that they are Muslim because they "follow the will of their creator" is complete rubbish too. The dude in red correctly pointed out that everyone is born an atheist, Hamza then tries to claim that they are Muslim. Firstly, he fails to show that a creator exists. Babies follow their evolved instincts. Secondly, he fails to show that they believe in a god or gods, and are therefore theists.
“Belief is not reality.”
Nailed it, Hamza. Absolutely nailed it.
Never a truer word was spoken!
He's the type of guy that assumes he's the smartest person in the room, wherever he is. But when people start to contradict him, he stalls, doesn't let them answer, and when they walk away because he's a lost cause, he assumes he's won.
He's too stupid to realize he's not a genius.
he tries to win by fatigue, he interrupts, scoffs and repeat until people gets tired of him and just want to end the discussion
You're looking for the Dunning Kruger effect. He is so gods forsken stupid he thinks his the only smart one.
Agreed. He's very good at being a prevaricating bellend though. A sustained and committed example of how to deliver verbal vomit.
And he probably drinks too much coffee ☕️ when he's preachin🧙♂️🤣👍
@@theunclejesusshow8260 What do you mean, "drinks"? My guess would rather be that he's getting caffeine intravenously... 🤣
If I was a theist, I would be ashamed, deeply embarassed to be associated with that guy!
He must have learnt the language of fallacies, instead of english.
What an irritable, arrogant, know-it-all fool. I stopped the video. Couldn't stand him at all.
@@MrCanis4 don't forget insufferable
: He's a perfect tool for for creating atheists.
That Hamza Tortois.
the word is "learned".
@@cliftongaither6642 Thanks 👍🏼
When he said when did you become an atheist the guy gave the perfect answer. Everyone is born atheists until they are introduced to religion. Hence why there are so many different religions and not just one. If everyone knew who and what god was from birth then we would only have one single religion and faith across the world.
Ahem cuzinz 🧙♂️👍
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I disagree. I believe everyone is born innocent/ignorant, without the capacity to understand the concept of gods.
The literal definition of the Greek word "Atheos," that so many militant atheists are firmly tied to, is overly broad and practically meaningless, since defining atheism as simply lacking belief in gods, would mean that even rocks are atheist.
To me, atheism is the rejection of the theist claim that gods exist. In order to reject a claim, one must be able to understand it. This leaves out babies and rocks.
Once a child is old enough to understand, they can be introduced to the concept of gods, usually by theist parents. At this point, they become theists because it is the rare child who doubts what their parents have told them. Once they are old enough to start declaring their independence, they may start to question their parents' claims. This is when they will either remain theists or become atheists.
You are correct though. If everyone was born with knowledge of god, if there is indeed only one, there would only be one religion.
@@terryfall8915 I could argue that rocks being atheist is not really a logical problem, however, that's sort of a sneaky way of avoiding your point. The term "atheist" only has meaning because of "theism." So in that regard, I agree with you that slapping that label on someone who has never heard of a god concept would be an improper application of the label. Technically, they are "atheist" but it doesn't have any meaning to them, because they have no idea what theism is. However, I don't really see a practical difference in the distinction. I've never heard of, or thought of a god concept that I could say "I believe that exists." Everything else is semantics.
well thats where misrepresenting atheism conveniently comes in. suddenly atheism is a choice, as if you have to choose between theism and atheism lmao.
This guy just lied. I was a JW. I had read the book he mentioned. It has an entry for Islam. If he read the table of contents, he would know this.
Gosh. This Hamza guy is super annoying. Whenever he asked others, he never gave them the time to fully express what they wanted to say. He kept interrupting them. And then when it's time for him to explain, he wanted everyone to listen to him. What a clown!
That’s what I noticed too.
@@TheSkepTick I have so much respect to the guy in red t-shirt and the one beside him as they could stay calm. I mean, my blood pressure escalated just watching Hamza scoffing and throwing non-arguments as he's so disrespectful. Thanks Rainbow Giraffe that I never see street preachers in Scotland (apart from the mormon missionaries).
@@frahman_ I would never punch someone. In the face or any other way... This guy makes me regret this life choice. I have so mutch respect to those guys.
@@Fabian46544 I know, right? I mean, the best that I could do in that situation would be leaving that court of clown, otherwise some punching there would be.
its a common trick used by those who doesnt have a reasonal explanation
That was a difficult one. I'm not sure why back-to-back assertions with no demonstration combined with an absolute unwillingness to listen to dissenting views wore me out so much... but man. I've got a headache.
“Why have you chosen you dont know?” Err because he doesnt know. The important question is why you filled in “you dont know” with “i believe its god”.
The better question is, how can someone chose to know if they do not know? (as the question implies being able to chose between knowing and not knowing).
So them not knowing, is obviously not a choice ...
so you're telling me you don't know if something can come from nothing
@@Ikhlashasib10 im curious, who do think says that?
@@Ikhlashasib10 We don't even know if 'nothing' can even 'exist'.
So no, we do not know if 'something can come from nothing' nor if 'nothing' is actually possible in the first place.
If 'nothing' is not even possible, then the question 'can something come out of nothing' is obviously flawed, as there never was 'nothing' ...
@@probablynotmyname8521 you said it's okay to say "i don't know" when you don't know something and i agree but when someone asked you a question like can something come from nothing you can't answer by saying i don't know in that situation cuz you have intellect and reason to know something cannot come from nothing so the infamous atheist phrase ' i don't know" won't work there son. Use your LOGIC and RATIONALITY simple as that it's not hard.
Sorry Tick. I tried to finish this one, but I can't. Hamza's idiotic arguments that he shouts at an insane pace is like having my head drilled.
Same, unfortunately. I'm gonna keep the video on in the background for the purposes of feeding the algorithm, but the volume is gonna be off
I stopped after 7 minutes and 56 seconds, this guy is just irritating. There is no debate, just a rambling stream of silliness
@@Chatinbed Wow. I got enough at 7:45. That's got to mean something about the average length of time a human can stand to listen to bullshit, like obvious, grating, stupid, bullshit.
Me too. I had to stop 10 minutes in. Couldn't take it anymore.
Yep I made it 9 minutes and that was a struggle
Hamza is a fast talking simpleton that I’ve had the displeasure of speaking to in more than once, and his ignorance about atheism and science is on full display…
He's supposedly a convert to Islam. Is he a former Christian, or just a lying apologist?
@@yadabub that explains the big "born again Christian via means of recovered addict" energy.
@@delbomb3131 YESSSS!!! This, exactly. Like a recovering coke addict who pounds RedBulls.
you can lead a theist away from the rope knotted into a noose but you can't stop them from hanging themselves
There is no need for personal attacks. As a group, fast talking simpletons deserve more respect than you are willing to give them.
As Hitchens said, "Atheism is something you are, not something you do.". Until someone lies to us, we are born atheist.
This guy has no clue he just dismissed everything everything everyone said than started talking to a strawman.
That's how religion works. Deny, distort, declaim.
@@condorboss3339 it is just sad that it's ppl like him have so much power.
Instinct = God
So my baby cried all night because god is a jerk.
god is good. He trains you with your baby so that you handle sleep deprivation way waaaay better in the future
:- )
"Belief is not evidence." -Hamza
Oh, the irony.
didnt he say belief is not reality?
still wonderful irony
talk about hamza having such a lack of self awareness lol 🤣
It's funny how he defines "being X", where X is a member of any non-muslim religion, as believing the doctrines of X, but defines "being muslim" as… being born. And it's weird that nobody in the audience pointed that out.
It's quite telling when he looks away from the crowd to the camera of his cohort, grinning because he thinks he's scoring lots of points. This man is just a troll.
Someone get some me some acid and/or fire- wait, that's still the requirements in 5E, right?
@jursamaj yeah, i was waiting for a "oh, so being muslim isn't a theist position, then?" ^^
This delusion is not limited to him only, it is in fact a mandated belief that all Muslims must adhere to, for it is mentioned explicitly in the Quran and the Hadith.
The whole doctrine however is a complete fiasco, it's basis in the Quran reveals a narrative contradiction, independent Hadith narrations makes zero sense given the history of organized religion and Hadith narrations surrounding that Quranic verse promote nothing short of fatalism.
Love the bonus of the display of differences in how western society expects males vs females to debate a point. All the males were combative while the only female shown to really debate had to softball and nicely deliver her points "I'm not trying to argue with you, I'm just trying to understand" sorry not sorry social science nerd in me. And I'm very upset that no one acknowledged Lisa the Rainbow Giraffe, leaf be upon her
"You're a baby! How can you have choice?" But you were the one espousing that not believing is a choice 30 seconds ago. Like wtf? "Can you understand that logic?" No, because you're being inconsistent by not paying attention to what you're saying. This dude is nuts, pure and simple.
Absolutely nuts
@@TheSkepTick I think he's more of a moron than just nuts! But, good one, Mr. SkepTick! 👍
@@TheSkepTick What's that saying? "Insanity is doing(repeating)the same thing over and over while expecting different results." That's him.
It's an Islamic Gish Gallop.
I can't imagine anyone listening to Hamza and actually gain conviction, that was such a gish gallop that ultimately ended up sounding like "I believe this therefor it's true"
Between talking over top of people, speaking as quickly as possible and shouting I find this person completely intolerable. I am impressed with the people attempting to engage with him and not just telling him to go to hell.
Winning an argument with a genius is difficult. Winning an argument with an idiot is impossible.
Good video.But after witnessing many debates over the years,I have realized that,when it comes to debates,the most annoying interlocutor is the one that talks over his opponent constantly.
I think someone made a Ray Comfort comment in the background. Amazing how apologetics work in religion.
Amusing video as ever.
I started watching this, had to give up, the stupidity is overwhelming, the guy even sounds like Comfort.
“In a court of law, evidence is not ‘I don’t know’”.
Correct. In a court of law, when we don’t know, we have no evidence and dismiss the case.
I never chose to be an atheist. Actually I chose to be a religiously affiliated agnostic, but neither I chose to be an agnostic: I chose to keep my home religion and to commit to it despite I couldn't believe in specific supernatural claims. I didn't choose not to believe in supernatural claims, I just grew too skeptical on them.
But eventually I couldn't agree with certain core values of my home religion, I apostatized, and when I recoiled I figured out that I had been an atheist for a while.
If a baby is submitting to the creator in the way Hamza means, my apostacy was pretty much submitting to the creator in exactly the same way. My atheism is the nature the creator chose for me because I cannot be something else: I cannot believe such creator is even possible. As babies cannot believe in Jesus, Ganesh, or Mohammed, or even the concept of a creator.
And when I say that I can't believe in a creator, I don't mean that the concept is too complicated for me to understand -and that's the difference between a baby and me-. I mean that I can't see any claim of a creator or other form of a god as anything different than mythology and fiction.
(of course, these were my responses to Hamza as I watched this video in the refuge of my home. Have I been live out there with his rapid spreed words, I might not have done better than the guys there.)
@@rataflechera They did all right, they held their own. He's a pigeon on a chess board.
Look, everyone knows that, in a debate, only one person gets to speak, and that one person is allowed the privilege of lies changing into facts. They are also capable of reading every mind of every onlooker and dictating their thoughts to them. Then, that one person wins the argument, and everyone else feels stupid for daring to even think of disagreeing. THAT is how you have a constructive debate.
I'm beginning to wish that we would do that exact thing (lie till the the head glows red) just to counter every bullshit with bullshit and see when they get to be truly frustrated.
🤣🤣
He's so aggressive. What a horrible bully.
All theists assert that their beliefs are facts. They really don't like it, when people ask them for supporting evidence for their 'beliefs'. When I went to school, I learned that the word 'belief', and the word 'fact', had different meanings.
They conflate belief and faith with fact, its so sad that we have these types of mentalities among the majority of us in this world.
@@FactStorm These people can present a threat to society, because society may not conform to their 'assumed standards'. This is due to the differences between reality, and what these people prefer to believe the reality to be.
@@clemstevenson Indoctrination is the main problem, and society's stupidity. Billions of 21st century people believing in miracles, prophecies and messiahs. The level of idiocy is quite unsettling
@@FactStorm I am very well aware of the fact that many people are actually desperate to believe in things that are literally impossible. And I don't mean taking a pocket calculator back to 1910, because it would look like magic. I am talking about people who want to believe in things that cannot ever be replicated.
In the 90s, I met a woman who was sure that she could communicate with the dead in her own handwriting. Bullshit. She was making it up in her head. And then there were the people who had 'special' dreams...The dreams were, in reality, unprovable, as well as being meaningless.
@@clemstevenson It scares me just how seamless it is to beguile humans. Your average Joe & Jane gobble up just about anything. That's why we have global warming denial, anti vax movements, religions, paranormal hunters, horoscopes and other quackeries. LOL, If I didn't laugh then I would cry!
"I don't know" is how all science begins. Because you don't stop there. The full statement is this; *"I don't know... so let's find out."*
Probably cut out the part where Red Shirt said “You must believe that it’s Allah’s will that I think Allah is just another fictional douchebag… and that I am submitting to the will of Allah. Am I a Muslim?”
That makes sense. 😅
I'd love to see that one lady in the crowd's video. She probably has the missing part!
When he's shown to be wrong, he just yells louder. He has not a single clue what he's talking about. Not a single clue. If only he realized how ridiculous he looks to the rest of us, he would hide in a hole and never come out.
Sadly these types of individuals lack the required self awareness.
Apparently talking over someones answer means they have no answer for your question. Hamza sounds like he has a script memorized and does not want to get side tracked by actually listening to answers to the questions in his script.
Socrates: “The wise man is the one who states, I don’t know.”
Unreasonable man shouts fallacies at top speed in hopes of confusing and confounding people he never intends to let get a word in edgewise, let alone have a conversation with in the first place. Gotcha.
7:56 The "creator" was the child's mother and father. And the instinct comes from evolution where the behavior helped the child to survive.
00:17 Yes! I have a PhD in chemistry, but yesterday a manual labourer demonstrated to me the correct way of threading a weed-eater. I'm grateful that I now know the way I did it before was wrong.
He actually turned me from a agnostic to an atheist
Welcome to the team, Carren
@@TheSkepTick thank you for misguiding her you will have double the punishment for every person you are going to misguide unless you repent before your death of course
@@ismailmounsif1109 your sentence does not make sense, what are you trying to imply
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@@ismailmounsif1109Cope and Seethe Abdul.
Also, think about this whilst you are coping, why would an omnipotent and omniscient divine choose to allow these people to run around in rhe first place? He doesn't need to test us, he doesn't need to even create us in our current state, nor does he need to create the potential for disbelief and misguidance, why would he then do all of this, knowing that it will only increase the amount of people he will have to torture in hell?
I came to this video from the point of view of an atheist, but now I'm starting to question that. Can you please send me some more information on Giraffeism?
Haha. I’ll be sending people in twos, door to door, to spread the word.
"Why have you chosen 'I don't know'?"
It's called intellectual honesty. I know you don't get that, but, it's better to admit you don't know than just making unbacked assertions. 🙄
"Submitting to the will of the creator" is kind of funny, when you've admitted that you can't prove that a creator even exists. We're just presupposing things, aren't we?
This is what happens when you just remember and repeat things that you've read or heard somewhere without thinking about it.
And he just casually throws the word out there "submit" - like it isn't a super weird and creepy thing to tell people to do.
Even if he could prove his god's existence - I'd still want a good reason why I should "submit"
@@LadyDoomsinger
Yeah, i agree. But that's what religion does, i guess. Make weird things normal ...and make normal things weird.
@@LadyDoomsinger maybe because he give you life and give you everything you hold dear?? How stupid can you be
Once someone says "yeah" we are far down the rabbit hole.
that guy is like muslim version of ray comfort, but somehow even worse
Hamza has an inflatable camel in his garden that he calls Dr Hump
So much worse...
Flying a**hole is more appropriate to his attitude...
Goddamnit..
Its because Islam hasnt 'matured', for want of a better word, like Christianity has. Its only really in recent years that Islam has come under anywhere close to the same scrutiny or questioning as Christianity, so they simply dont have the same techneques that Christians have to attempt to make their religion sound more reasonable, so they have to crib of Christianity, which makes them sound lazy. It also doesnt help that Islam has all of the problems of Christianity and absolutely none of its slightly redeeming points.
@@marcusreading3783 fact that its not exactly the safest job to critique islam in predominantly islam countries aint really helping either.
if your flock is scared of even asking questions, then you dont have to think about arguments or apologetics that much.
so all we are left is few apologists living in countries where they cant just scare people into believing and since, due to above, amount of apologetics material is very limited, all they can do is copy paste christian arguments and try to fit them with islam.
I can refute his point about deciding on religion at the "age of enlightenment". I first starting thinking god, heaven, and Angel's weren't real at the age of 7! I remember distinctly thinking this is a lie. And throughout my life I have found nothing to alter that decision. The more I read of holy books and other media, the more my atheism has grown. This clown is insanely wrong about EVERYTHING! 🤦♂️
Yup, I was 11. The WORST thing a Christian can do is encourage someone to read the Bible. The more I read the more I was convinced it was all horseshit.
@@littleherms3285 Same here, bro! Same here! 👊👍
What did you think before the age of 7? So basically, 7 was your age of enlightenment. You were obviously a lot smarter than other children your age. Probably smarter than a lot of adults.
I'm not saying you're wrong in being an atheist. I'm saying you began to understand things at a very young age and that was your age of enlightenment. Basically, you're not really refuting the point.
@@terryfall8915 I see your point, but I wasn't sure before that. I had heard from different sources and it just seemed weird to me. I was raised Jewish in the Bible Belt, so I saw both views. As I got older I looked into religion through books and it just reinforced my idea of atheism. How ever, these types of people not only assert that they are correct with flimsy evidence, but they also assert ages in which you are able to decide. Again, I can absolutely see your point.
about 7 for me too - what a discovery - and oh the mental clarity that it led to
"How can a baby have a choice?"
A baby is born not believing in a god because you can't believe in anything you haven't been introduced to or even conceive of.
True. If all people except for let's say native Americans would suddenly die and these natives never had contact to other religions, there will never be Christianity, Buddhism, the Islam or any other religion like that again. These religions would die and never come up again the way they were before. A baby who's never exposed to Christianity, Buddhism, the Islam, will never belief in those things and either stay atheist or make up new things themselves. That's why there are so many different beliefs on this planet.
@@agent_277 well people would plagiarise Zoroastrianism and again but ye stuff would be very different
Hamza is just another dishonest apologist, he has a script and is very good at making sure he's never pushed off of it. The moment things go against him he turns to someone else or changes the subject. His whole technique is Gish Gallop on speed. One day I shall go to Speakers Corner but I don't know whether I'll bother with him or the other motor mouth purveyors of falshood who tend to gather there to see what trouble they can stir up.
I'd like to see his proof that Ganesh doesn't exist or any of the other Hindu gods or an explainatino of why babies aren't born Hindu or Christian or Jewish, oh, wait, they are... Of course you'll never get to hear any of that because he'll just Gish Gallop away from the questions he knows he can't answer. It's very dishonest but then he doesn't care, he's not there to exchange ideas or engage in a conversation, he's there to push his religion on anyone who'll listen and to rake in the money from his acolytes who think he's defeating atheists and defending the faith. It's kind of sad but in a very infuriating way. ON the plus side I think it's a technique which drives away more people than it convinces. All I can say, though, is he lieterally gives me a headache.
i hope this guy is on a watch list... holy fuck
Counterpoint- on the NEVER Watch list- cuz even a few minutes of this verbal diarrhea was painful and probably violated the 8th Amendment (in the US).
@@Sephiroth144lmao
Hamza sounds like an auctioneer with how fast he talks. I wonder what reaction he would get if he tried any other gods/goddesses/supernatural beings.🤔😂
"Goddesses" - brozza that's HARAM
Hey there are actual atheist in the group.. They are fighting back! Unlike the quite atheist that Ray comfort apparently talks to. 🤣
Ray cherry picks his targets. You can bet your arse that hes had his arse handed to him more than once, but theres no way that those encounters end up in his videos. In fact, I'd bet good money that he just leaves the moment it looks like hes about to get answers he doesnt want.
@@marcusreading3783 I'm betting you are right my friend!
This is excellent work Skep ✓
Thanks Jimmy!
as someone form a rather atheist society .. it took me until i am 6 years old to even hear about a god ^^, and how strange that christianity never apeared somewhere without a someone spreading it there first
As an American some of my earliest memories are of the church and I was also baptized and circumcised. I've been an atheist about twenty years now though
This was brilliant! Excellent video Skep.
Thanks James!
I love how close Hamza was with having a revolation when he did the whole money thing. The guy didn't know what was in his hand because he couldn't see it. Hamza opened his hand to show money. After that point, if you ask what's in the now closed hand, as long as nothing has changed, you can safely state that money is in his hand since he now knows it's there. Hamza provided visual evidence to prove that money exists within his hand at that time. We are still waiting for any form of visual evidence that a god exists.
Hearing blackshirt explaining the evidence for evolution in the background and getting no attention just made me laugh a little
Also his whole point for 20 mins was "My creator is unfalsifiable so you have no evidence against it" then he starts criticizing a falsifiable theory that we actually can prove as an "alternative" hence immediately disproving his God without us even having to say anything.
Leaf be upon her 🍃
Leaf be upon you. I freakin love that!
Add this argument on court lol
Ladies and Gentel men of the juries
“WHAT EVIDENCE DO YOU ACCEPT?”
Haha. Could you imagine?!
@@TheSkepTick but it’s true tho every society have their evidences that they accept in court to much have dropped your brain somewhere look for it I advice you
I have chosen to believe in goblins. Nothing you can say can prove me wrong.
The goblins have told me that people who believe in goblins are silly. Of course, that's what one might expect a goblin to say.
Man this was so hard to watch. I haven't cringed this bad in a while.
Got to almost 9 min in. Can't take any more. Scared his rampant idiocy might be infectious.
Also, I love how he admits his evidence isn't actually proof of the thing it's supposed to support, but still calls it "evidence" anyway.
How did I miss last week's video? I always watch the second I get an alert that you posted. I thoroughly enjoy your channel. You and Sir Sic are the two most entertaining channels there are.
Going to watch now. Thanks for being so good at what you do! Don't ever give up.
I appreciate that Tod!
If instinct is "the will of the creator," why is Islam a 'recent' religion? And why would it have rules and rituals, wouldn't the only rule be to follow one's instinct?
touche
It is not a recent religion prophet Mohammed may peace be upon him is the last prophet from many prophets and the first prophet Is Adam may peace be upon him don’t talk with ignorance fool
@@ismailmounsif1109Admit it, it is a recent religion. What we define as "muslims", that being adherents of the islamic faith, those that engage in all of its rituals and all of its beliefs, did not exist prior to Muhammad.
What are you doing right here with your comment is basically the same as what Hamza was doing in his video, you are asserting that your religion is not a "recent religion" using evidence from your religion.
@@ismailmounsif1109Don't use the point of contention to prove the point of contention idiot.
Oh thee floating circle how you have help me change my way,
Instead of watching your videos in the afternoon
I watch them at the start of the day.
All Praise to the floating circle
Hallow be his accent
This! I'm printing this out and sticking it on my wall!
Ye’ ol puberty. That time in my life when I made perfect choices and became totally responsible.
so it wasn't just me then
9:35 is that Nick Frost to the right with the backwards black hat?!!!! You know, the guy from the Simon Pegg movies like Shaun of the Dead and Hot Fuzz?
I'm amazed at the size of the crowd. Usually one or two will hang around to listen to this accident preach his verbal waste. Either they're really interested in what's spewing out this preacher's sewer. Or they are really starving for entertainment.
Maybe they just listen for $hits and giggles?
I don't know. Maybe they just staying there because the guy is so obviously wrong about everything.
In such situations it's realy hard to resist telling someone how wrong he is. It's kind of irresistible to correct him.
Like seeing a trainwreck in slowmotion. You just can't look away.
People were quite nice to Hamza and quite capable of answering his questions. Only fool there was Hamza himself :-)
I think the only way that video might have shown an ignorant atheist, would be if we mutilated the definition of atheist to include Hamza.
Hey, if he can play so fast and loose with claims about babies being muslim, turnabout is fair play.
The problem with fudging definitions to be so broad as he seems to want, is that the word defined becomes nearly useless.
And while I think it is a legitimate question, that is what would be good evidence to demonstrate the existence of a God, I think Hamza's distraction tactic was probably his best shot.
Because I have a suspicion that if he had presented his evidence, nobody would have been impressed.
It's hard to present evidence for an unfalsifiable premise. But considering the religious claims about God and his properties, there are a lot of things that I would expect to see that I don't.
Hamza definitely exposed ignorance, his own.
So babies natural behaviour is actually submiting to it's creator? You could say that about everything, there's no logic, it's a non sequitur. Take any natural occuring thing and say it's just submiting to the creator.
I've been a non-believer since i was 5 years old despite MANY adults trying to convince me of god so based on his logic i just debunked his whole belief system because of my age back then...
What was that Surah that explains practical fusion ?
All this manic Mohammedan logorrhoea is exhausting me.
(Is Lisa’s 🍁 a ☕️🍁 or a
🐝🍁 ?)
this was painful. Nobody should debate any magic fans without a moderator and equal time given.
The creator you’re describing hasn’t met the burden of proof so it is safe to assume it doesn’t exist although your earlier definition of the creator kinda cancelled itself out so we are good.
the creation itslef is proof how can you not see it ffs🤦♂
@@Ikhlashasib10 does God mold babies in their mother’s wombs out of dirt or is a natural process that follows laws of biology and physics?
1. If you study evolution that is accepted by the consensus of the educated world, it will help you understand how things developed naturally without magic. I know it’s hard because so many creationists twist what is actually taught. No humans don’t come from monkeys, no we don’t think everything came from nothing, we don’t think it was a big accident. Evolution doesn’t involve anything making choices like a creature choosing to be taller etc.
2. If you believe that a god created everything then you have to look at bad things too. Parasites that kill millions every year. Worms that blind children as a necessary part of their reproduction. Also, if a god created animals he put into place a system of death and torture for billions of animals for millions of years before man was even around to “sin”. Why did god design sweet innocent animals deserve to be ripped apart alive by viscous killing machines like owls and lions?
@@Ikhlashasib10 how do you know a creator made it though? What if it was something else?
@@ElizabethsLizard well that would still be the creator of it
@_Decadent _Descent Alright so tell me where did all of this come from then
He's basically skirting around Pascallah's Wager
Muslim guy with "Ham" in his name. Coolsies.
The tiniest sliver of time that we actually exist, in a timeline of billions of years of non existence. Gratitude and Joy for our tiny sliver of Life.
So I saw the thumbnail and was very puzzled as to why Skep Tick was getting worked up by athletes being ignorant. Which is the sort of thing that happens when I try to read without my glasses.
And I suppose when we try to reason without the Creator.
Damn, I'm watching too many of these videos
I always wish I was there for someone this intense. I get a guy with a “He died for you!” sign that won’t engage.
Muslim Ray Comfort?
This guy is great at the Gish Gallop and nothing else. His patter reminds me so much of Ray Comfort that he could be Ray's brother. LOL
This guy is annoying. Talking over everyone doesn't make his ideas fact.
'Actually doxastic voluntarism is a very uncommonly held position. Can you choose to believe what side the coin will land on before it is flipped? That's different to picking which side you will bet on.'
Wow. Fast talking, gishgalloping, missing the point, interrupting, this guy is really bad at talking.
"Do you understand the basic logic that you choose not to believe"
This one is just so blatantly wrong. That guy could have jumped on it and explained the fact that beliefs aren't a choice.
Does anyone find this appealing? I mean obviously his arguments are nonsense, but who does he think he's reaching with this weird arrogant, fast style of talking? So odd...
“We both don’t know”
“Right…so why do you say you don’t know?”
The amount of idiocy in Hamza is astounding
holy crap I'm first I'd like to thank my parents who said I was an accident
I’d like to say congratulations to you 👏🏼
Lol mY man they are a accident 2
SUPER THANKS.
Science has a standard your faith does not. Your faith is based on faith not evidence.
Choice? No, it was my *conclusion* (based on the total lack of evidence and valid arguments) that atheism is the more correct route.
hamza is a joke
Damn. Talking with that guy, it's like playing chess with a pigeon : he's shiting all over the board, and think he won.
I don't understand how he can even post this kind of video of himself, it's so embarrassing.
It's always frustrating to see dumb people, thinking they are smart, treating other people like THEY were the dumb ones.
I absolutely detest these overbearing aggressive "debators". Won't let anyone finish a point before he lets fly another barrage of sophistry.
Bring out the Bingo cards, and let's play a game of Logical Fallacy Bingo. The downside is that for long stretches, his word salad doesn't even rise to identifiable fallacies.
I made it past the halfway point. His "argument" makes me think he is an atheist troll. If he is a true believer, and these flaccid "gotcha" attempts at reasoning are what converted him to Islam, then I'm amazed his family lets him out of the house without supervision. I honestly wonder if he grapples with object permanence.
Wow, he even sounds like Ray Comfort.