Helldivers 2 Lore In Under 12 Minutes

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  • @TheProdigalCat
    @TheProdigalCat 10 місяців тому +562

    Petition to rename our planet Super Earth

    • @Diarmuhnd
      @Diarmuhnd 10 місяців тому +6

      Bob

    • @bboi1489
      @bboi1489 10 місяців тому +5

      Uber Earth

    • @kainwittrig2180
      @kainwittrig2180 10 місяців тому +18

      The thing I love is the implication that super earth isn’t earth and original earth was destroyed or somehow lost

    • @Toast_6
      @Toast_6 10 місяців тому +9

      @@kainwittrig2180 the third faction should be original Earth

    • @red_reality8746
      @red_reality8746 10 місяців тому +19

      @@Toast_6 now that’s a crazy idea, a rouge nation that separated so far from earth that their own citizens think they are the only humans in the galaxy.

  • @DAethrys
    @DAethrys 10 місяців тому +243

    The cyborgs are still imprisoned in the mines on Cyberstan.
    The Automatons are reportedly pushing towards Cyberstan.

    • @WGF00
      @WGF00 10 місяців тому +6

      There was a message on the first game that made me question the federation of it's so called freedom.

    • @Bronwyn031
      @Bronwyn031 10 місяців тому +40

      @@WGF00 Oh really? Now where was the government number I'm supposed to call on dissidents?

    • @DRENS2131
      @DRENS2131 10 місяців тому

      Keep the slav- I mean insurrectionists in the mines.

    • @antoneriksson356
      @antoneriksson356 10 місяців тому +23

      Very interesting post!
      A freedom officer is on his way to your location to learn more 😊

    • @DRENS2131
      @DRENS2131 10 місяців тому +7

      I love it when I commented on someone's post and it gets deleted but I still receive notifications from the original comment... Fucking UA-cam.

  • @lakdav
    @lakdav 10 місяців тому +158

    I don't feel brainwashed at all, these cyborgs must be delusional.

    • @danielespinosa664
      @danielespinosa664 9 місяців тому +4

      My brain is as dry as a desert, no washing going on inside of this head filled with democracy

  • @andreaandolina7199
    @andreaandolina7199 10 місяців тому +123

    Oh no I took the wrong exit at the astral rift again! This is not pismo beach!

    • @Winterborn_01
      @Winterborn_01 10 місяців тому +3

      No, this is zegema beach !

  • @subcommanderxelios800
    @subcommanderxelios800 10 місяців тому +73

    It’s like halo and starship trooper decided to get together and have a child.

  • @DRENS2131
    @DRENS2131 10 місяців тому +36

    "Together for lib-"
    *Titan spews green gunk*
    *cuts*
    "Together for liberty."
    *Drags his body out from under the titan.*

  • @slovakiaballif24
    @slovakiaballif24 10 місяців тому +98

    The most unbelievable part of this universe is that we will crack FTL before 2040 lmao

    • @TheRedKing
      @TheRedKing  10 місяців тому +8

      Baha Ikr, incredibly optimisitic!

    • @lostbutfreesoul
      @lostbutfreesoul 10 місяців тому +5

      Something tells me this might not be a reliable narrator... and yet...
      Nope, never gone wrong listening to DEMOCRACY!

    • @MorganSaph
      @MorganSaph 10 місяців тому +2

      @@TheRedKing Technically FTL is impossible. But a theoretically possible Warp Drive does exist.
      It just... needs the power of a star to make the warp... per warp... per drive.
      So yeah, theoretically possible now, and practically possible when humanity can shrink and capture stars.

    • @KennyBastian
      @KennyBastian 10 місяців тому +2

      ​@@MorganSaphhey, anyone have a spare star? My warp drive ran out of stars

    • @cosmictreason2242
      @cosmictreason2242 10 місяців тому

      @@MorganSaphFTL could be accomplished if graviton manipulation can be discovered. Because then you can essentially do it through a half alcubierre Star Trek warp, half mass effect drive system, where by changing the mass of your ship to zero or negative mass, you can travel at or beyond light speed // option 2: change your mass at the front and rear of the ship to cause space to contract and expand

  • @nameremoved8587
    @nameremoved8587 10 місяців тому +17

    i love how you embraced the satire here.. beautiful

  • @Somethingthatskindafunny
    @Somethingthatskindafunny 10 місяців тому +147

    I LOVE DEMOCRACY
    And some quick critique,
    They're called the Illuminate and not illuminati, I don't know why they're called that when illuminati is a way better name.

    • @DennisDelav
      @DennisDelav 10 місяців тому +12

      Because illuminati is already a thing?

    • @Somethingthatskindafunny
      @Somethingthatskindafunny 10 місяців тому +4

      @@DennisDelav good point

    • @u-mos8820
      @u-mos8820 10 місяців тому +4

      I think they're deep sea fish ppl too so maybe it's a play on bio luminescence.

    • @TheRedKing
      @TheRedKing  10 місяців тому +22

      Yes... I'm unsure why my tiny brain saw and read illuminate several times and STILL read it as Illuminati ... my apologies, the democracy officer in charge of preparing the report shall immediately be flogged! (Me!)

  • @doyen6409
    @doyen6409 10 місяців тому +71

    Btw it’s illu-min-nate, not illuminati

    • @TheRedKing
      @TheRedKing  10 місяців тому +22

      Yes... I'm unsure why my tiny brain saw and read illuminate several times and STILL read it as Illuminati ... my apologies, the democracy officer in charge of preparing the report shall immediately be flogged! (Me!)

  • @TheSpiderMeisterFT
    @TheSpiderMeisterFT 9 місяців тому +5

    Thank you, sir! I won't let you down. For Super Earth. For Managed Democracy!

  • @justinromano1989
    @justinromano1989 9 місяців тому +24

    Referring to the Cyborgs as “terrorists from the planet Cyberstan” is the type of blatant overt racism that I’d expect from this amazing game 😭 Wow. lol.

    • @sunnysonne2957
      @sunnysonne2957 9 місяців тому

      Well they are? It's not racism if it's pattern recognition 🤔 I'm reporting you to my local Freedom Officer

    • @imfunniguy3744
      @imfunniguy3744 7 місяців тому

      the cyborgs aren’t human, they’re horrific anti-democracy socialist tech beasts who want to destroy Super Earth and managed democracy

  • @jasonmaclean719
    @jasonmaclean719 9 місяців тому +8

    I'll respect your video's noise level. That was the sound of FREEDOM.

  • @MrMekishiko
    @MrMekishiko 10 місяців тому +12

    The automatons yearn for the mines of Democracy!

  • @KiraKuinBaitsaDasuto
    @KiraKuinBaitsaDasuto 9 місяців тому +4

    I am not on reeducation I wanted to listen to our glorious history yet again. For Liberty!

  • @Emanon...
    @Emanon... 10 місяців тому +18

    Would you like to know more?

  • @UnholyWrath3277
    @UnholyWrath3277 9 місяців тому +2

    I like that the ships engines is literally just the futurama ship lol

  • @Diarmuhnd
    @Diarmuhnd 10 місяців тому +47

    I became a HELLDIVER so I could fight for DEMOCRACY!
    One day CHAOS will get elected to the Presidency!

    • @ultraflopp2802
      @ultraflopp2802 10 місяців тому +1

      Chaos?… the democracy officer is busy today, you are getting visited by an inquisitor…

    • @Diarmuhnd
      @Diarmuhnd 10 місяців тому +1

      I'll put on some fresh Eagle Sweat and get ready for my promotion interview. Thanks for the heads up.
      --------------------------
      Sits down and waits, humming the tune to 'A Bolt Gun on his Hip'

  • @generalnawaki
    @generalnawaki 10 місяців тому +13

    9:22 brother!

  • @Beairstoboy
    @Beairstoboy 8 місяців тому +1

    What's most impressive is that Super Earth figured out how to make a functioning Alcubierre drive, I'm pretty sure that thing requires dark/exotic matter/energy... Cool to see the devs knew about it though!

  • @vidarDJ16starkill
    @vidarDJ16starkill 10 місяців тому +14

    Didn't one of the devs say that the Automatons are unrelated to the Cyborgs?

    • @h4xorzist
      @h4xorzist 10 місяців тому +7

      While they are not 1:1 the cyborgs they are clearly the successor state to Cyberstan.

    • @MorganSaph
      @MorganSaph 10 місяців тому +1

      The dev lied. The Automatons have the same logo on them that the Cyborgs used.
      Why would 2 unrelated factions be so similar (semi/fully robotic) and use the same flag if they weren't related?

  • @skeefz8790
    @skeefz8790 10 місяців тому +9

    hey red king my lord, keep doing what your doing.

  • @CB430z8y
    @CB430z8y 10 місяців тому +24

    FOR DEMOCRACY

    • @Diarmuhnd
      @Diarmuhnd 10 місяців тому

      And EAGLE SWEAT !

  • @kwkouki
    @kwkouki 9 місяців тому +3

    The dialog in this……..is fantastic 😂

  • @jamminx187
    @jamminx187 10 місяців тому +4

    "The enslaved mind of the automaton understands the cold bolt and Tyrannical Blade. I would rather die than ever show them I have fear of their ways. I am waiting for the 380 HE on transmission location 456.19.. My right arm is gone and I am awaiting Democracyyyyyy" Last transmission... - Automaton Mass Heavy Fabircation Core, Artillery base Zero 99.

  • @markuswagner8536
    @markuswagner8536 10 місяців тому +6

    The Brutmaster hate the right to vote? He must pay for that!!

  • @Golden_squanch
    @Golden_squanch 8 місяців тому +1

    Amount of times I yelled it Amen brother during this video would make any of my neighbors that could hear me bleed red white and blue

  • @ironbadger8985
    @ironbadger8985 10 місяців тому +7

    I thought the cyborgs and automatons were two separate factions.

    • @benkurdi8199
      @benkurdi8199 10 місяців тому +3

      Same faction, different war effort.

  • @FastAF_bibi
    @FastAF_bibi 10 місяців тому +3

    We becomin a helldiver with this one🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @ashardalondragnipurake
    @ashardalondragnipurake 10 місяців тому +4

    love how digital voting was the first step to real democracy tm

  • @amish420army
    @amish420army 10 місяців тому +2

    I almost hit fast forward when you said advertisement. Well done sir

    • @TheRedKing
      @TheRedKing  10 місяців тому

      Haha I amused myself with it 😁

  • @dylanchapman1304
    @dylanchapman1304 9 місяців тому +1

    love how you play into it while also informing about the "truth"

  • @alejandroestrella1234
    @alejandroestrella1234 8 місяців тому +1

    *When super sees the illuminati*
    "They have better shit than us WAAAARR"

  • @IceBreakei
    @IceBreakei 10 місяців тому +1

    7:00, hive lords also exists

  • @T1mduk2
    @T1mduk2 9 місяців тому +2

    Did u say OIL?!!

  • @drakootherat1735
    @drakootherat1735 10 місяців тому +6

    This video is capitalistic enough to delay the deletion of the lore due to no phanon corps video. the counter resets. 2 videos to lore deletion

  • @137mono
    @137mono 10 місяців тому +2

    Cadet: it, it, it all a lie, it all a lie why can't I have children with Melayna NO, NOOOOO.
    M.O.T: He, has been poisoned by the lies of the automaton you have been sentenced to
    exterminatus... cough, cough... I mean Termination.

  • @christinadevlin137
    @christinadevlin137 9 місяців тому +5

    This amount of analysis seems almost unpatriotic…

  • @Imbapiranha
    @Imbapiranha 10 місяців тому +4

    ROCK AND STONE!

    • @goaztek
      @goaztek 10 місяців тому +1

      did I hear a rock and stone?

  • @bluelaser1012
    @bluelaser1012 12 днів тому

    I thought the Automatons WERE the cyborgs, that they had just put their brains inside robot bodies.

  • @PharSyde6ix
    @PharSyde6ix 10 місяців тому +2

    So, if I am to understand this correctly, the bugs hopped on hot ass meteors and traveled through space without protective equipment? Makes sense! 🤣 We need to find these damn brain bugs so that I can get some answers!!!

    • @TheRedKing
      @TheRedKing  10 місяців тому

      Tough bugs!

    • @MorganSaph
      @MorganSaph 10 місяців тому

      @@TheRedKing The Terminids are kinda like The Scourge, except they haven't developed extra-galactic abilities yet.

  • @termitegangbanger23
    @termitegangbanger23 9 місяців тому +3

    If Halo, Warhammer40k, and Starcraft were merged into one game

  • @danielespinosa664
    @danielespinosa664 9 місяців тому +3

    This randy in my game said in voice chat “super earth sucks” he lost connection to the game 😂 2 seconds after saying that

    • @TheRedKing
      @TheRedKing  9 місяців тому +2

      Ministry of Truth knows whats up!

  • @Wezryx
    @Wezryx 9 місяців тому +1

    Out of.
    Character.
    I love the way you present this

    • @TheRedKing
      @TheRedKing  9 місяців тому +1

      I do try! Glad you enjoyed it

  • @Cooldude-ko7ps
    @Cooldude-ko7ps 10 місяців тому +1

    2:15 I would’ve preferred a Garand over a Springfield.

  • @Okil_Atlas
    @Okil_Atlas 10 місяців тому +3

    FOR SUPER EARTH!

  • @cosmictreason2242
    @cosmictreason2242 10 місяців тому +1

    5:40 "evisKerated" oh come on now.

  • @McGamaStuff
    @McGamaStuff 10 місяців тому +1

    I LOVE VOTING

  • @JackSparrow-hh2lh
    @JackSparrow-hh2lh 10 місяців тому +3

    love it that the guy telling us about democracy is called a king 😅

  • @cosmictreason2242
    @cosmictreason2242 10 місяців тому +1

    Good idea to capitalize on this

  • @user-jt1js5mr3f
    @user-jt1js5mr3f 9 місяців тому +1

    They fly now

  • @spiritwolf963
    @spiritwolf963 10 місяців тому +4

    710? Never heard of it...

  • @lonelyPorterCH
    @lonelyPorterCH 8 місяців тому +1

    I'm ready for a cup of liberTea^^

  • @Pighway
    @Pighway 10 місяців тому +1

    Well done

  • @Emanon...
    @Emanon... 10 місяців тому +6

    I wonder which country and/or political party became the inspiration for Helldivers?
    /s

    • @eggeggeggeggegg728
      @eggeggeggeggegg728 10 місяців тому

      Helldivers was inspired by starship troopers which was a comedy and action movie that criticized facism

    • @Emanon...
      @Emanon... 10 місяців тому +3

      @@eggeggeggeggegg728
      That wasn't exactly my point. I think it satirises something far more present and less fictional.

    • @RAIDENCHEEKS
      @RAIDENCHEEKS 10 місяців тому

      Probably Nazi germany mixed with the USA.
      Massive Fascist vibes under the guise of democracy ​@@Emanon...

    • @cosmictreason2242
      @cosmictreason2242 10 місяців тому

      @@eggeggeggeggegg728except it didn't. The book and even the movie, though it isn't self aware of it, presents a meritocracy. Fscsm is by definition forcibly preventing diversity of ideology. Starship troopers does not count, therefore, although it does seem helkdivers fits the bill based on this lore video

    • @eggeggeggeggegg728
      @eggeggeggeggegg728 10 місяців тому

      @@cosmictreason2242 you are just factually wrong, star ship troopers Is a blatant criticism of fascism, the first 1 minute of the film is clearly about fascism.

  • @CroutonComedy86
    @CroutonComedy86 9 місяців тому +1

    This feels like Starcraft but an FPS. Except earlier.

  • @BangEnergyFiend
    @BangEnergyFiend 9 місяців тому +3

    10:24 George W. Bush moment 💀

  • @blaisexrusso
    @blaisexrusso 9 місяців тому +2

    I agree with the child permit thing people should qualify to have kids

  • @Shaabhekh
    @Shaabhekh 10 місяців тому +1

    Dont suppose you happen to know if the yellow markings on the 'basic' helldiver armour means anything? Not so much the colour itself but the placement on the helm etc, would they just be indicative of squad/platoon type identifications or specialization perhaps?
    No biggy if not :)

    • @TheRedKing
      @TheRedKing  10 місяців тому +2

      I shall investigate

  • @HoshouNeko
    @HoshouNeko 9 місяців тому +1

    Thanks

  • @gamerwits4329
    @gamerwits4329 10 місяців тому +2

    Dubai and Singapore - baby Super Earth
    North Korea and China - teenage Super Earth

  • @ElephantCrunch
    @ElephantCrunch 10 місяців тому +1

    amazing!

  • @somerandomidiot3337
    @somerandomidiot3337 10 місяців тому +1

    It’s the illuminate not illuminati and also we didn’t make the faster than light things we took it from the illuminate once we defeated them

    • @TheRedKing
      @TheRedKing  10 місяців тому

      Yeaah, brain fart on my part.. not sure where my head was at

  • @Rhino-Prime
    @Rhino-Prime 10 місяців тому +1

    Would you do the lore on surviving the aftermath

    • @TheRedKing
      @TheRedKing  10 місяців тому +1

      I'll do what I can

  • @K.greenbanks
    @K.greenbanks 9 місяців тому +1

    3:58. Felt a way Sus

  • @tbgzenith2588
    @tbgzenith2588 9 місяців тому +2

    Terminids are kinda cute tho…

    • @TheRedKing
      @TheRedKing  9 місяців тому

      Maybe the little ones... i'm not sure a Titan is in anyway cute

    • @alnu8355
      @alnu8355 9 місяців тому

      So THAT'S why you're here in re-education camp.

  • @atticmuse3749
    @atticmuse3749 10 місяців тому +6

    You're just reading the Helldivers 2 fandom wiki pages.

    • @TheRedKing
      @TheRedKing  10 місяців тому +4

      They're fantastic resources

    • @ShenkyNL
      @ShenkyNL 10 місяців тому +1

      @@TheRedKing You did a good job

    • @alphanomega12
      @alphanomega12 10 місяців тому +4

      He’s also narrating an easy to listen to script and edited an enjoyable video.

    • @atticmuse3749
      @atticmuse3749 10 місяців тому

      @@alphanomega12 yes, all great additions, but he's still using someone else's writing without reference.

  • @lostbutfreesoul
    @lostbutfreesoul 10 місяців тому +1

    I would like to know more about this... illum... illuminati...?
    This alien technology....
    How do I get R&D access, fellow biotrophy?

    • @TheRedKing
      @TheRedKing  10 місяців тому

      Eyes open! I'm sure they'll be on us soon!!

  • @redknight6077
    @redknight6077 10 місяців тому +1

    Illuminate.

  • @sunnysonne2957
    @sunnysonne2957 9 місяців тому +2

    So heinous is prounounced "Hay-nous" not "He-ness", and eviscerated flows nicely from S-> C, not a hard K sound. Said like "E-Vis-Sir-Rated"
    Edit: removed illuminate, already acknowledged.
    Other than the above corrections, amazing work officer! 👏

  • @thememedungeonkeeper
    @thememedungeonkeeper 9 місяців тому +2

    So, the Cyborgs are the non-facist faction of humanity

  • @jrosa__
    @jrosa__ 10 місяців тому +2

    Purge all xenos. Oh wait wrong franchise. Or is it??
    What I really like about the lore ia that it goes completely outside of the norm of mankind defending agaisnt alien invasion. No humans are actually the bad guys.

  • @FupaThePunja
    @FupaThePunja 10 місяців тому +2

    Yessss from Stellaris to this I love it ❤

  • @GD1_3
    @GD1_3 10 місяців тому +1

    Librer-tea

  • @jackxiao9702
    @jackxiao9702 9 місяців тому +2

    Does a better Warhammer 40k game better than any Warhammer 40k game yet.

    • @TheRedKing
      @TheRedKing  9 місяців тому +2

      I've thought about warhammer games alot, they've made so many of them. I suspect they're all a bit rubbish because the main money maker is selling minis

  • @Ratboycure
    @Ratboycure 10 місяців тому +1

    Sweetcool thank you for your through and absolutely correct information. Oh man I frigging love democracy!

  • @Miron_Marnic
    @Miron_Marnic 8 місяців тому

    So basically just America in space?

  • @joshm3484
    @joshm3484 9 місяців тому +1

    They said no procreation, not no masturbation. I shouldn't even be in this camp.
    I now understand that the government does not make mistakes, and I look forward to reforming myself into a fully reproductive member of society.

  • @Mikeconch
    @Mikeconch 9 місяців тому +1

    Super earth is not the original earth.

  • @Lybarger12b
    @Lybarger12b 8 місяців тому

    If you guys like the nids from helldivers then you are going to f****** love the tyranids from Warhammer which is where they got the name from

  • @cosmictreason2242
    @cosmictreason2242 10 місяців тому +1

    Everyone needs to watch pilgrims pass's video "it's not fascism bro"

  • @rabl123czsk
    @rabl123czsk 10 місяців тому +1

    Can we get lore that is actually nonbiased, more accurate and less fucking propaganda?

    • @TheRedKing
      @TheRedKing  10 місяців тому +1

      Sure, but not from me :)

    • @cosmictreason2242
      @cosmictreason2242 10 місяців тому

      That's like saying you want lore without respect for the sources of information within the story (i can't be sure op isn't attempting to comment as a roleplay in universe too)

  • @AlexHyena1
    @AlexHyena1 8 місяців тому +1

    glory to the republic of Cyberstan!

  • @sekkuar
    @sekkuar 8 місяців тому +1

    Probably already said ad nauseam, but this video is completely wrong about the automatons (they are not the cyborgs)

  • @BlackOpMercyGaming
    @BlackOpMercyGaming 9 місяців тому +1

    I love that even in fan made content, people conflate communism and socialism

  • @snakelord2234
    @snakelord2234 10 місяців тому +1

    Imma buy this game just so i can strike down the fascism of super earth (this is a joke but i do wanna go in and troll now lol)

  • @Anom_Anom
    @Anom_Anom 10 місяців тому +4

    Rogue Servitor when?

    • @TheRedKing
      @TheRedKing  10 місяців тому

      Maybe see the Cyborgs for assistance

    • @Anom_Anom
      @Anom_Anom 10 місяців тому

      @@TheRedKing I don't like talking to them though I can't tell if their machines or organics.

  • @Rebirth602
    @Rebirth602 10 місяців тому +1

    Ive seen starship troopers. So i have this ripoff pretty figured out.

  • @pyeitme508
    @pyeitme508 10 місяців тому +1

    Wow

  • @Saladin00Alayobie
    @Saladin00Alayobie 9 місяців тому +1

    are we evil after all we kill bugs and took there world

  • @MuffinHunter69
    @MuffinHunter69 10 місяців тому

    Together for womaumuhhh

  • @zeewars6851
    @zeewars6851 10 місяців тому +1

    The red king code name doesn’t sound very democratic to me

    • @TheRedKing
      @TheRedKing  10 місяців тому

      I think you need a dose of re-education! Report to camp immediately!

    • @zeewars6851
      @zeewars6851 10 місяців тому

      @@TheRedKing yes sir

    • @cosmictreason2242
      @cosmictreason2242 10 місяців тому

      Communist AND monarchist? Going for the 0% democracy run

  • @chrisjulien7698
    @chrisjulien7698 10 місяців тому +2

    Christ bless you, FOR DEMOCRACY!!!!

  • @lyingtony5121
    @lyingtony5121 10 місяців тому +1

    So we are just killers

    • @TheRedKing
      @TheRedKing  10 місяців тому

      Yeah, you can't make friends with the bugs!

    • @lostbutfreesoul
      @lostbutfreesoul 10 місяців тому

      I can not find one more Just.

  • @adieraditz
    @adieraditz 10 місяців тому +1

    1. Warp develop by illuminate and human copy it when they win a war
    2. Automaton maker is cyborg in cyberstan, they declare war on human to release their parent aka cyborg
    3. Terminid cannot jump to another planet, they are from escapist and uncontrollable farm from each planet

  • @weltonbarbosa206
    @weltonbarbosa206 10 місяців тому +1

    Cyberstan HAUHAUAHUAHUAHAUHAUHAUAHUAHUAHUA wtf

  • @sirnugfuggets7441
    @sirnugfuggets7441 10 місяців тому +1

    A comment for the algorithm

  • @icospawn
    @icospawn 10 місяців тому +1

    reeducation camp LO. this game is a psyops

  • @bromine_35
    @bromine_35 10 місяців тому +6

    Isn't this the lore of WH40K?

    • @TheRedKing
      @TheRedKing  10 місяців тому +2

      Is it even remotely similar?

    • @cosmictreason2242
      @cosmictreason2242 10 місяців тому

      Nah, many sci fis have bugs and robots now

  • @K.greenbanks
    @K.greenbanks 9 місяців тому +2

    Lots of subliminal messages social programs in games 🤔

    • @TheRedKing
      @TheRedKing  9 місяців тому +1

      It's a game, just enjoy it for what it is?