Ok Mike I ordered a 3 pack XL over the calf ! Mainly because I know you're a quality kinda guy! I too worked in the mud and man it sucked! I would pray for a frost so I could walk on a job site! I love nice work boots like Whites or Red wings ! So let's see what I think about these socks! I'll let you know! Thanks and God bless!
Hey Mike, just ordered a 5 pack based on your recommendation! Their website won’t let one use the Morgans10 discount code but I suspect that is because one is getting a bigger discount already with the bundle (they are calling it a Black Friday sale). But at any rate just wanted to let you know. (Didn’t keep me from ordering them anyway!)
@@DavidHard-o7p, same here. That is the notification I got when I tried adding the code. Hoping since I entered the site from Morgan's channel, they get credit for it.
Concrete hold moisture around the wood causing premature decay---even with pressure treated. Drill your holes 36 to 42 inches deep, put some #57 rock in the bottom. Start to back fill, being sure to tamp, tamp, tamp it with a heavy spud bar every 6--8 inches, check plumb often and do that to the top. Your post will be rock solid and will stay that way. Water will permeate through the soil and with the rock in the bottom it won't be sitting in water rotting. Done it for many, many projects. Works great. 😊😊
@cvlcan Never tried it. I'd consider drilling a couple of holes and putting some long bolts through the bottom 1/3, just to help heaving?? That's just me??
I put a addition on 25 yrs ago. Dug 48. 52 inches down. Put in concrete up to about 6 inches over ground. Then put 4 foam thin pads then put a p t. 6x6 on bolted to concrete. Then built room. NEVER MOVED. NEVER ROTED !! O. Coated bottom 2 foot with roofing tar😊
I completely agree about the no concrete in those post holes. The last several posts I've put in, I only used small gravel packed in really hard around the base (because my soil is clay and not shale) and it holds the pole upright, square and plumb. And years later they still look great. The gravel allows water to drain away from the post.
Greetings OWTM, from home in NCNC again. 10 lbs of dry ice kept 67 lbs of venison frozen for 1000 miles in 33 hours. It was almost entirely evaporated but the meat still sounded like seasoned oak firewood when it clanked together. It was a good deer camp. Little doe and a medium 8 for me; similar 8 for a buddy. One other guy was shut out for the first time in 10 years of hunting. Howdy there Hunter!
I fully agree with you about the concret. I'm 84 years young and was born and raised in south South Florida (south of Miami). If you dug far enough, 18" back in the 40's and 50's you had coral rock when you dug in most places. No auto digging back then. You had post hole diggers and a old drive shaft flatten and sharpened on one end and you heated and braded the other end to pack with. There are still a couple of homes on pilings that my dad build back then, even after all of the hurricanes. These were built on old cypress post treated in creaso so the bugs would not eat them. The rock was packed back around the post. Of course there was bracing at all of the corners both top and bottom tied to the joice. These buildings are still standing even after hurricane Andrew went through years ago and blew down most ot the new concrete built structures.
You're right about the lack of concrete in the holes! I've set a lot of posts over the years and it seems that the ones with concrete are the first to rot out! On a feedlot that I built, i just filled the holes around the posts with fill sand and that worked well! Also, my Dad always said that the tamping at the bottom of the hole is the most important.
Born and raise in Tupper Lake, ny. Up in center of the Adirondack mountains. My Dad said secret to a straight porch. Is a 2 pipe system. He had screw type post hole digger you twisted by hand until it was full pulled out and tripped one side of the scoop and repeated the process until you were at least 4' or below any frost line. Then drop a stone in the hole. Place a 3-4"steel pipe in hole and back fill it so it's straight. Then put a 1"calvinized with a treated anchor cap in end so yo can screw it to the porch framing down inside of larger pipe. The frost can't get to the inside pipe to heave. it. Our plowed driveway was only a few feet away from coner of the porch and it never heaved.
From the Free State of Florida here, as a hiker in Florida, I like moisture wicking socks. Another USA made sock product is Darn Tough socks. They are made in Vermont and have a lifetime warranty. If I can wear them out, they will replace them for free when I go to an authorized store like REI or Bass Pro to exchange them. I will look into your socks as well. Nice to have choices. Have a day
On the advice of a home builder friend of mine, I set my poles for a gate with the soil I took out of the hole. He also recommended rapping the bottom of the pole in plastic to keep moisture away. I didn’t do that as I’m 63 and figure they wont rot in my lifetime!
@@davidmorse8432 Pretty sure there is a "post wrap tape" that supposedly helps with moisture?? Setting your posts as Mike is works. I just build a fence and I'm sure it Wil outlast me at 68.
I feel the very same way you do about dirt and muddy situations. I recently retired after 35 yrs of being a natural gas pipeline welder and spent my entire career rolling around in the mud and dirt…the only next time that’ll happen to me is when I’m dead and buried! 😂
We got a storm and ended up with 4 ft. drifts in the yard ,and couldn't even get out the back door because of a 3 ft. drift. And spent the whole day yesterday plowing snow with my Kubota L4400. Such a great tractor for that job. _13 today.
One of my favorite construction books is "working alone" by John Carroll. He was a solo home builder who came up with all kinds of jigs, helpers and clamp ideas. well worth the money if you work alone a lot.
Greg from northern Michigan. On taller posts (> 10 ft), I pour two bags of ready mix concrete per hole to support the subsequent roof snow loads. In your case, setting the posts on the shale sub base should do the trick. Back filling with small rock and sandy soils also works well. Good work !
I hear you on the mud, i was born in SW PA and moved when i was 13 to AZ. I love the dry weather and no mess, it keeps all of your trucks and toys clean and looking new.
The new way to back fill the holes is with expanding foam like you use when installing windows and doors . Just fill the hole completely up to the top.
From North Idaho, I usually do not put concrete around my posts, sometimes I do for more stability for a gate or something. I'll put a rock under the post then fill in around it with rocks and dirt from the hole, tamp it in real good. Seems to work pretty good for me. Been doing it for a lot of years.
Mike, I know that you are always asking for comments, so here is one for you. While I love the fact that you chose to not use concrete in your post holes, here is something to think about. Even if the bottom of your hole is below the frost line, the backfill material you chose can still bond to the post. When this happens, as the frost cycles occur, the posts will be lifted by the frost, and while it is lifted, a small bit of material will seep into the void below the post. When the frost subsides, the post will resettle, but not all the way to its original depth. As this happens over decades, in essence, your building will grow. As a former deck builder, we set all of our posts in pea stone which perform like ball bearings. The frost on the sides may heave and even take the outer layer of pea stone with it, but the stones in contact with the post, don’t grab the post so it stays at the same depth you set it at. This is all just good for thought. I enjoy your channel.
My grandpa used to make me tamp posts in 2 inch increments abd tamp until the bar bounces before adding the next layer of dirt. And we always put gravel at the top 12 inches near the surface because that’s always where the posts rot. The posts I did like this 25+ years ago are still as solid as the day I put them in and I actually checked to see if the gravel actually helped abd the posts were flawless
My dad was a professional carpenter. When he used the lines he used a block of wood like a piece of plywood or 3/4”. Once the end posts were in he would slide that block under the string that would put the string that thickness away. That way you wouldn’t have any post if it was off a bit wouldn’t push on the string. So when setting the in between posts he would use another piece of the same size block to set the post from the string. Slide that piece between the string and post and if it matches it’s on.
Setting posts plumb to the string is harder than it looks. I have done a few and am a believer in not adding concrete. Cedar fences & posts here in Texas hurricane areas break off when concrete is used. Without concrete, the fence leans over. Straighten it up and restamp is all that's needed. Always enjoy the variety of your vids.
Mike I believe that the post you are using is Yellow Wood brand. I remember when Jimmy Raines started that company in Abbeville Alabama. It wasn't much then but has turned out to be a huge company. Years ago my dad and I built a barn out of some Lowe's brand treated lumber. Some of it rotted in 2 years. It was not good way back then. This was 30 to 35 years ago. A hurricane came thru and blew it away and we rebuilt with all Yellow Wood. Still standing today with zero rot. It is good stuff. I have used 1000s of dollars worth of it over the years for barns,storage buildings, piers, boat docks etc and have never had any issues. Looking forward to seeing the build. Enjoy your channel.
GOOOOOD MORNING EVERYONE OUT THERE IN OWTM’s VIDEO LAND…a rainy & chilly day here In Newport RI… Lunchtime: time to finish watching todays Video 😁😁 “HUNTER”!!!! Lookin good buddy!! Right tool for the job there Mike. Looking forward to watching through to completion. HELLOOOO Melissa!! Thanks for sharing Have a day !!
Used angular stone like crushed stone (limestone, granite, etc.) tamped in with a steel bar to bed wooden posts. It holds just as good as concrete but it lets rainwater drain away from the posts and they don't rot as fast. Don't use smooth river rock - it needs to be angular rock, and the tamping is essential.
You are probably right about the post's, in a gale the Concrete can make the posts start to walk in a circular motion like a Pestle and mortar, where as gravel will keep filling in on it's self like an hour glass, you might need to top it up every so often.
Your way of backfilling compacting the clay around the post seals the hole off from retaining water and there's only one other way and that's fill your hole with concrete and set a plate into the top of the concrete. Then you bolt your post to the plate and it keeps your post up off the concrete and no rot problem. If you backfill your holes with washed stone it will be nothing more than a big glass full of water and stone around your post!. Mike what your doing is a best for what your doing!.
How about using that 2-part synthetic concrete type material for some of your fill on these or any future posts. you zip it on one side, mix the two components, and pour it into the hole. it expands on it's own and make a nice firm foam block around the post. Just a thought. I've used it around my garden and fence to secure pipe and treated posts.
Correct way to set it with string. I was a union bricklayer for forty four years and very good mason. When you lay brick with string line you keep the brick fraction from line. So you are correct
Killer auger, I love the shortened hoses, very neat looking. We love it when you build something, interesting viewing. Mike do you watch Matt on Diesel Creek? He goes to auctions and buys equipment, he’s one hell of a mechanic, you might contact him for a roller to fit your requirements, he’s in your state too. He’s a great guy. Stay safe my friend. Jim and Sue
Hey Mike the reason for the concrete cookie is to spread out the point load. The heavier the load the larger diameter of the cookie. All of the pole barns I’ve built they required a 36” diameter footing. This may be a default measurement and overkill but it’s the norm. Of course the second concern is uplift. Don’t think there is any problems with what you are doing. 😊
Mellissa looked very happy to hold up those lights for you. Must have interrupted her second cup of coffee. :) No need for concrete around post. They won't float away.
Years ago I built a roof over a mobile home. I put cement around all the treated 4x6 posts. About 13 years later the trailer burned because of bad wiring. When I was using front loader on the tractor to pull the remains of the posts out of the clay they all broke at ground level. My dad was a lineman for Detroit Edison he always said the power poles always broke at ground level because of the freeze and thaw.
Watching your videos it always strikes me how much you get done without hand tools, but when you use a shovel, it is evident you have spent years ‘running’ one of them too!!
2B or not 2B...THAT is the question...Oh heck there's no question at all go with the 2B. I'm surprised you don't have a standing order with the quarry to bring in a tri-axle load every six months. I won't work in the rain the way you won't work in the mud. Great video Mike thumbs up.
I was thinking you were going to put some of the stone you just had delivered in the holes around the poles until I saw the shale that came out of the hole. That's some good stuff. No concrete or stone needed. I agree w what you said, "These will outlive me, that's for sure." This is going to be fun. Seems like you were planning this a year ago, idk, you have so many things on the fire, I can't remember. I do remember you talking about building a small shed at the end of the driveway, beside the road, and stocking it with firewood and eggs. Maybe that's still being considered or not, don't matter, but hey, I remembered it!!! Mike, I've never done this, but I sure have bought a lot of it from guys that do do it. You should look into a dang, now I can't remember the name of it. See why I was proud of remembering the shed by the road? A dryer that one takes deer meat and cuts it real thin and then season it how you want, then put it in the dryer, making your own deer jerky. Man, that's some good stuff. I think after you load it, you just let it run the course by itself. I just thought of that, because you told us the snow at the cabin and deer season starting soon. A guy at work one year made a batch so hot, no one would buy any. A woman bought a bag, and it made her throw up. I bought every bag out of that batch. I love the heat. I keep dried Reaper, Ghost, and Scorpion powder in my fridge. Pepper Palace just announced they have stopped making the powder. Dang. But, that jerky was so hot, that I could not stop eating it. It's the burn that i"m addicted to. Many times I've sat at a meal and had sweat running down the back of my head. I just thought that's one thing you could do with some of the deer meat. I bet Hunter would like it. Next year this time, if the cabin is finished, you'll be going down just to hunt and hang out in the cabin. You've always had good stuff happening on your channel. Thank you for sharing.❤👍🙏🚜
Good morning Mike. Ive seen people not use concrete in the holes, I've seen people mix up the concrete and dump it around the post, I've seen people just dump the dry concrete around the post and tamp it in but, what I've learned over the years and what I do is dump a 40# bag of Sakrete in the hole dry, tamp it down and set the post on top of that. It's cheap, easy, and it gives the post a solid base. I'm not an expert but it has worked great for me for many years. Up here in North Central Pennsylvania we are supposed to get 2 to 4 inches of snow between this afternoon (Thursday) and Saturday morning for Bear season. I don't know if it will happen but it would be nice to have some snow for hunting season. God bless and have a wonderful day. 👍👍🙂 And Happy Thanksgiving!.
History, POLE BARNS started in the early thirties (the Great Depression) Farmers used recycled creosote utility poles to build inexpensive farm buildings. Hence the name 'POLE BARN'. I presume, corrugated metal roofing and rough cut lumber was also available then. Made a great utility building.
Last year I had a new deck built and they did the same thing with the cookie in the hole and no concrete. Also I'm originally from Illinois and the holes always had to be about 3' or so deep and here in Michigan they only have to be 18" because the water table is so high. Plus being on the down wind side of Lake Michigan it's just not as cold here as the other side of the lake
MIke, look into geocell on your road. I put it on my driveway and my gravel stays and I never have to grade it anymore even though I have a very steep driveway! if you want a video of it let me know. It has saved me thousands of dollars in stone and fuel!
Haha, the new hoses look like a Hershey kiss! Yeah I can see that (my first thought was an inverted heart!). Good to see Hunter & his smile! I enjoy reading the comments almost as much as the vids! (Can learn a lot from them, too!). Keep up the good work & take care!
NO CONCRETE,worked for a company here in southeast Texas. Set lots of 6x6s never used concrete!! Set post off string. Use same piece of lumber 1by or 2by set post off string slide lumber between post & string.
Did you call 811 for utility location before boring hoiles i the middle of the woods? WheeHaa! I found that washed pea stone is perfect for p;osts. 4 to 6 inches in the bottom then fill it up. Pea stone is self compacting. The more you wiggle the more it tightens. With your shale you have the same thing. I dare you to pull that post out by hand in a week.
The post will last longer if you don't use concrete. The post will shrink leaving a space between the post and concrete. This creates a moisture trap speeding up decay.
Hi Mike. Great video. I've done both clay & concrete. They all break on ground level. However. I've done more clay. Your right. No concrete needed. During my experiences of a small family farmer of 32yrs. Good Hunter story Melissa. Say Hi to Melissa's dad, Eva, Levi, Tyler, & Hannah. Have a good Thrusday night the 21st. 🥰🙂😉👍❤️💜🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🌫🌧
Camel City Mill socks are made in Winston-Salem NC. Our state was the Textile King for many years. W-S is the birthplace of our Awesome Krispy Kreme Doughnuts too!🍩🍩🍩
Mike…I agree on the mud! I had a dairy farm for years,and mud is a pain. The older we get we try to solve problems, life is too short to struggle if you don’t have to! Have a great,blessed day!
I've never put concrete in the holes, and they've always held well. Very excited to see how you build this, I have little to no carpentry experience and definitely need to get some things built around my place to cover my mill and get my log splitter under something as well.
Socks I totally agree after 40 years I found walking socks. Wool and doubled layer. The layer moves on the boot and not rubbing your foot. On my feet 8 hours plus a day and so comfortable.
As an ex builder, I agree with you Mike concerning the proximity of string to post. Always leave a very small gap. Same is true with concrete forms, etc. Leave a very small gap. Hope that you have great success with your project. Prayers for you and family ☝ 🙏 🙌 💪 in Jesus's Mighty Holy Eternal Name. Keep safe and discerning, be healthy and strong & successful. Blessings for all you hold dear and consider important. ❤👍
Last time I did posts I used auto body undercoating on the portion going into the ground. I’ve since sold the house where the work was done, but posts still were rock solid.
Love getting to see that flag fly in the background Mike. Your place is beautiful! Thank you for sharing. Can’t wait for the next steps in your out building. 🇺🇸❤️
My grandfather taught me at a young age that concrete is not necessary. Just make sure you pack the post as you fill it. I have never had a problem. Man has been doing it that way since the beginning I'm sure.
I can’t wait to see if it snows like 6 inches of light powder and you bring big birther out and just blow that fly powder back into the woods that’s gonna be phenomenal. Can’t wait to see that.
Melissa you did a fine job holding up the lights so Mr Morgan could get under with the excavator, and being interrupted from your busy schedule. I believe that should get you a bouquet of flowers and a steak dinner 😊
Hey Mike, we are here to support Mike’s tactical mission. Benjamin Franklin claimed that “some are weatherwise, some are otherwise” but I think we fit into the former category. And whether you are a friend of the “weather-guessers” or not, we will continue to provide you with forecast distant weather and ocean features anywhere in your part of the world. We even go as far as to launch twice daily balloon launches carry sensitive measuring equipment to determine the state of the upper atmosphere. More than likely we’re guessing (because that’s what we do) you’d probably noticed them and just wrote them off as from being from someone’s silly celebrating party balloon 💭 again? Wonder if we are somewhere close by your vicinity, maybe, but what we could tell you is that all of this information is used to forecast the effect the environment will have on Mike’s assigned daily missions?
Mike on all of our implement sheds etc we never used concrete. Reason.. did not sell it in bags at that time in our small town. Those sheds were still standing when we sold the farm some 30 years later.
Another great video! I love the new construction videos, and the level of precision in setting those posts was quite impressive! 30' on the nose, and square. Well done, Mike.
First dusting of snow here in NWIndiana! 31 degrees this morning, unusual to get any snow before Thanksgiving. Thanks for the info on the Sox. I’m always looking for the perfect pair, so I ordered a 3 pack, will wait and see. Have a great day Morgan Family!
Ran excavator and dozer in Ct for 30 yrs. I also did more than my fair share operating a D handle shovel. Thawing frost mud is the worst and almost every year we had at least 20 freeze thaw cycles. I don't miss mud one bit !!!
Nice post auger . It beats the shoulder breaers and the one you screw in by hand . you got good wife , to come out in the rain and hold up the wire . Good job Melissa . SEEYA
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Ok Mike I ordered a 3 pack XL over the calf ! Mainly because I know you're a quality kinda guy! I too worked in the mud and man it sucked! I would pray for a frost so I could walk on a job site! I love nice work boots like Whites or Red wings ! So let's see what I think about these socks! I'll let you know! Thanks and God bless!
I know what you mean about the mud, I never liked it either
Hey Mike, just ordered a 5 pack based on your recommendation! Their website won’t let one use the Morgans10 discount code but I suspect that is because one is getting a bigger discount already with the bundle (they are calling it a Black Friday sale). But at any rate just wanted to let you know. (Didn’t keep me from ordering them anyway!)
@@DavidHard-o7p, same here. That is the notification I got when I tried adding the code.
Hoping since I entered the site from Morgan's channel, they get credit for it.
Great, thanks
Concrete hold moisture around the wood causing premature decay---even with pressure treated. Drill your holes 36 to 42 inches deep, put some #57 rock in the bottom. Start to back fill, being sure to tamp, tamp, tamp it with a heavy spud bar every 6--8 inches, check plumb often and do that to the top. Your post will be rock solid and will stay that way. Water will permeate through the soil and with the rock in the bottom it won't be sitting in water rotting. Done it for many, many projects. Works great. 😊😊
Do you think this works for aluminum fence posts too? Can’t see why it would not.
@cvlcan Never tried it. I'd consider drilling a couple of holes and putting some long bolts through the bottom 1/3, just to help heaving?? That's just me??
Thanks for the advice
I put a addition on 25 yrs ago. Dug 48. 52 inches down. Put in concrete up to about 6 inches over ground. Then put 4 foam thin pads then put a p t. 6x6 on bolted to concrete. Then built room. NEVER MOVED. NEVER ROTED !! O. Coated bottom 2 foot with roofing tar😊
Great information!
I completely agree about the no concrete in those post holes. The last several posts I've put in, I only used small gravel packed in really hard around the base (because my soil is clay and not shale) and it holds the pole upright, square and plumb. And years later they still look great. The gravel allows water to drain away from the post.
Greetings OWTM, from home in NCNC again. 10 lbs of dry ice kept 67 lbs of venison frozen for 1000 miles in 33 hours. It was almost entirely evaporated but the meat still sounded like seasoned oak firewood when it clanked together. It was a good deer camp. Little doe and a medium 8 for me; similar 8 for a buddy. One other guy was shut out for the first time in 10 years of hunting.
Howdy there Hunter!
I fully agree with you about the concret. I'm 84 years young and was born and raised in south South Florida (south of Miami). If you dug far enough, 18" back in the 40's and 50's you had coral rock when you dug in most places. No auto digging back then. You had post hole diggers and a old drive shaft flatten and sharpened on one end and you heated and braded the other end to pack with. There are still a couple of homes on pilings that my dad build back then, even after all of the hurricanes. These were built on old cypress post treated in creaso so the bugs would not eat them. The rock was packed back around the post. Of course there was bracing at all of the corners both top and bottom tied to the joice. These buildings are still standing even after hurricane Andrew went through years ago and blew down most ot the new concrete built structures.
You're right about the lack of concrete in the holes! I've set a lot of posts over the years and it seems that the ones with concrete are the first to rot out! On a feedlot that I built, i just filled the holes around the posts with fill sand and that worked well! Also, my Dad always said that the tamping at the bottom of the hole is the most important.
Born and raise in Tupper Lake, ny. Up in center of the Adirondack mountains. My Dad said secret to a straight porch. Is a 2 pipe system. He had screw type post hole digger you twisted by hand until it was full pulled out and tripped one side of the scoop and repeated the process until you were at least 4' or below any frost line. Then drop a stone in the hole. Place a 3-4"steel pipe in hole and back fill it so it's straight. Then put a 1"calvinized with a treated anchor cap in end so yo can screw it to the porch framing down inside of larger pipe. The frost can't get to the inside pipe to heave. it. Our plowed driveway was only a few feet away from coner of the porch and it never heaved.
@@jimconnor8274 I use to buy logs from International Paper in Ticonderoga. Truly beautiful there in the fall.
From the Free State of Florida here, as a hiker in Florida, I like moisture wicking socks. Another USA made sock product is Darn Tough socks. They are made in Vermont and have a lifetime warranty. If I can wear them out, they will replace them for free when I go to an authorized store like REI or Bass Pro to exchange them. I will look into your socks as well. Nice to have choices.
Have a day
On the advice of a home builder friend of mine, I set my poles for a gate with the soil I took out of the hole. He also recommended rapping the bottom of the pole in plastic to keep moisture away. I didn’t do that as I’m 63 and figure they wont rot in my lifetime!
@@mikekeil5070 That sounds like a good idea to wrap the post with plastic for longer life.
@@davidmorse8432 Pretty sure there is a "post wrap tape" that supposedly helps with moisture?? Setting your posts as Mike is works. I just build a fence and I'm sure it Wil outlast me at 68.
That auger was the bomb, quick and easy.
I feel the very same way you do about dirt and muddy situations. I recently retired after 35 yrs of being a natural gas pipeline welder and spent my entire career rolling around in the mud and dirt…the only next time that’ll happen to me is when I’m dead and buried! 😂
Your soil structure is so rocky and packs great. I can sure see where no concrete is needed. Love the post hole auger for the excavator.
You are not slow at all, Mike. It is a joy to watch your precision! God bless you.
We got a storm and ended up with 4 ft. drifts in the yard ,and couldn't even get out the back door because of a 3 ft. drift. And spent the whole day yesterday plowing snow with my Kubota L4400. Such a great tractor for that job. _13 today.
Where is that?
@@OutdoorsWithTheMorgans Manitoba Canada.
One of my favorite construction books is "working alone" by John Carroll. He was a solo home builder who came up with all kinds of jigs, helpers and clamp ideas. well worth the money if you work alone a lot.
Greg from northern Michigan. On taller posts (> 10 ft), I pour two bags of ready mix concrete per hole to support the subsequent roof snow loads. In your case, setting the posts on the shale sub base should do the trick. Back filling with small rock and sandy soils also works well. Good work !
I hear you on the mud, i was born in SW PA and moved when i was 13 to AZ. I love the dry weather and no mess, it keeps all of your trucks and toys clean and looking new.
The new way to back fill the holes is with expanding foam like you use when installing windows and doors . Just fill the hole completely up to the top.
Waste of money
Good morning Mike and Melissa and Hunter. Hoses look very tidy. Off to a nice start on the building.
From North Idaho, I usually do not put concrete around my posts, sometimes I do for more stability for a gate or something. I'll put a rock under the post then fill in around it with rocks and dirt from the hole, tamp it in real good. Seems to work pretty good for me. Been doing it for a lot of years.
Mike, I know that you are always asking for comments, so here is one for you. While I love the fact that you chose to not use concrete in your post holes, here is something to think about. Even if the bottom of your hole is below the frost line, the backfill material you chose can still bond to the post. When this happens, as the frost cycles occur, the posts will be lifted by the frost, and while it is lifted, a small bit of material will seep into the void below the post. When the frost subsides, the post will resettle, but not all the way to its original depth. As this happens over decades, in essence, your building will grow. As a former deck builder, we set all of our posts in pea stone which perform like ball bearings. The frost on the sides may heave and even take the outer layer of pea stone with it, but the stones in contact with the post, don’t grab the post so it stays at the same depth you set it at.
This is all just good for thought. I enjoy your channel.
The entire area down to a depth of 3-3.5 feet will uniformly freeze as one if the moisture content is relatively consistent.
Thanks for the response. Makes sense!
My grandpa used to make me tamp posts in 2 inch increments abd tamp until the bar bounces before adding the next layer of dirt. And we always put gravel at the top 12 inches near the surface because that’s always where the posts rot. The posts I did like this 25+ years ago are still as solid as the day I put them in and I actually checked to see if the gravel actually helped abd the posts were flawless
My dad was a professional carpenter. When he used the lines he used a block of wood like a piece of plywood or 3/4”. Once the end posts were in he would slide that block under the
string that would put the string that thickness away. That way you wouldn’t have any post if it was off a bit wouldn’t push on the string. So when setting the in between posts he would use another piece of the same size block to set the post from the string. Slide that piece between the string and post and if it matches it’s on.
Setting posts plumb to the string is harder than it looks. I have done a few and am a believer in not adding concrete.
Cedar fences & posts here in Texas hurricane areas break off when concrete is used. Without concrete, the fence leans over. Straighten it up and restamp is all that's needed.
Always enjoy the variety of your vids.
You should look into the geocell type grid that for areas you saw wood. Stone in the grid, scrape off the sawdust on the top without taking stone.
Mike I believe that the post you are using is Yellow Wood brand. I remember when Jimmy Raines started that company in Abbeville Alabama. It wasn't much then but has turned out to be a huge company. Years ago my dad and I built a barn out of some Lowe's brand treated lumber. Some of it rotted in 2 years. It was not good way back then. This was 30 to 35 years ago. A hurricane came thru and blew it away and we rebuilt with all Yellow Wood. Still standing today with zero rot. It is good stuff. I have used 1000s of dollars worth of it over the years for barns,storage buildings, piers, boat docks etc and have never had any issues. Looking forward to seeing the build. Enjoy your channel.
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MORNING EVERYONE OUT THERE IN OWTM’s VIDEO LAND…a rainy & chilly day here In Newport RI…
Lunchtime: time to finish watching todays Video 😁😁
“HUNTER”!!!! Lookin good buddy!!
Right tool for the job there Mike. Looking forward to watching through to completion.
HELLOOOO Melissa!!
Thanks for sharing
Have a day !!
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Morning!
Evening Jack!
Used angular stone like crushed stone (limestone, granite, etc.) tamped in with a steel bar to bed wooden posts. It holds just as good as concrete but it lets rainwater drain away from the posts and they don't rot as fast. Don't use smooth river rock - it needs to be angular rock, and the tamping is essential.
You are probably right about the post's, in a gale the Concrete can make the posts start to walk in a circular motion like a Pestle and mortar, where as gravel will keep filling in on it's self like an hour glass, you might need to top it up every so often.
Your way of backfilling compacting the clay around the post seals the hole off from retaining water and there's only one other way and that's fill your hole with concrete and set a plate into the top of the concrete. Then you bolt your post to the plate and it keeps your post up off the concrete and no rot problem.
If you backfill your holes with washed stone it will be nothing more than a big glass full of water and stone around your post!. Mike what your doing is a best for what your doing!.
How about using that 2-part synthetic concrete type material for some of your fill on these or any future posts. you zip it on one side, mix the two components, and pour it into the hole. it expands on it's own and make a nice firm foam block around the post. Just a thought. I've used it around my garden and fence to secure pipe and treated posts.
Good job on starting the new shed and was glad to see the Hunt man in the video
Correct way to set it with string. I was a union bricklayer for forty four years and very good mason. When you lay brick with string line you keep the brick fraction from line. So you are correct
"Not making a watch here"!!! lol😂
Killer auger, I love the shortened hoses, very neat looking. We love it when you build something, interesting viewing.
Mike do you watch Matt on Diesel Creek? He goes to auctions and buys equipment, he’s one hell of a mechanic, you might contact him for a roller to fit your requirements, he’s in your state too. He’s a great guy. Stay safe my friend.
Jim and Sue
Jim and Sue - my parents’ names. Been gone 44 and 26 years. Got a little misty eyed reading them together again.
Hey Mike the reason for the concrete cookie is to spread out the point load. The heavier the load the larger diameter of the cookie. All of the pole barns I’ve built they required a 36” diameter footing. This may be a default measurement and overkill but it’s the norm. Of course the second concern is uplift. Don’t think there is any problems with what you are doing. 😊
Mellissa looked very happy to hold up those lights for you. Must have interrupted her second cup of coffee. :)
No need for concrete around post. They won't float away.
I agree
My thoughts exactly. Wouldn't suggest doing that again 😢😢
Excellent guys thanks for heart ♥ badge cheers 🥂 😊😊
Years ago I built a roof over a mobile home. I put cement around all the treated 4x6 posts. About 13 years later the trailer burned because of bad wiring. When I was using front loader on the tractor to pull the remains of the posts out of the clay they all broke at ground level. My dad was a lineman for Detroit Edison he always said the power poles always broke at ground level because of the freeze and thaw.
Watching your videos it always strikes me how much you get done without hand tools, but when you use a shovel, it is evident you have spent years ‘running’ one of them too!!
2B or not 2B...THAT is the question...Oh heck there's no question at all go with the 2B. I'm surprised you don't have a standing order with the quarry to bring in a tri-axle load every six months. I won't work in the rain the way you won't work in the mud. Great video Mike thumbs up.
I was thinking you were going to put some of the stone you just had delivered in the holes around the poles until I saw the shale that came out of the hole. That's some good stuff. No concrete or stone needed. I agree w what you said, "These will outlive me, that's for sure." This is going to be fun. Seems like you were planning this a year ago, idk, you have so many things on the fire, I can't remember. I do remember you talking about building a small shed at the end of the driveway, beside the road, and stocking it with firewood and eggs. Maybe that's still being considered or not, don't matter, but hey, I remembered it!!! Mike, I've never done this, but I sure have bought a lot of it from guys that do do it. You should look into a dang, now I can't remember the name of it. See why I was proud of remembering the shed by the road? A dryer that one takes deer meat and cuts it real thin and then season it how you want, then put it in the dryer, making your own deer jerky. Man, that's some good stuff. I think after you load it, you just let it run the course by itself. I just thought of that, because you told us the snow at the cabin and deer season starting soon. A guy at work one year made a batch so hot, no one would buy any. A woman bought a bag, and it made her throw up. I bought every bag out of that batch. I love the heat. I keep dried Reaper, Ghost, and Scorpion powder in my fridge. Pepper Palace just announced they have stopped making the powder. Dang. But, that jerky was so hot, that I could not stop eating it. It's the burn that i"m addicted to. Many times I've sat at a meal and had sweat running down the back of my head. I just thought that's one thing you could do with some of the deer meat. I bet Hunter would like it. Next year this time, if the cabin is finished, you'll be going down just to hunt and hang out in the cabin. You've always had good stuff happening on your channel. Thank you for sharing.❤👍🙏🚜
Now that's some easy digging!!
Famous last words, "Shouldn't take too long."🤣
Good morning Morgans and friends. Hope everyone has a great day.
Good morning Mike. Ive seen people not use concrete in the holes, I've seen people mix up the concrete and dump it around the post, I've seen people just dump the dry concrete around the post and tamp it in but, what I've learned over the years and what I do is dump a 40# bag of Sakrete in the hole dry, tamp it down and set the post on top of that. It's cheap, easy, and it gives the post a solid base. I'm not an expert but it has worked great for me for many years. Up here in North Central Pennsylvania we are supposed to get 2 to 4 inches of snow between this afternoon (Thursday) and Saturday morning for Bear season. I don't know if it will happen but it would be nice to have some snow for hunting season. God bless and have a wonderful day. 👍👍🙂 And Happy Thanksgiving!.
Good morning from Kentucky . Snowing here this morning . Hope you all have a wonderful day .
History, POLE BARNS started in the early thirties (the Great Depression) Farmers used recycled creosote utility poles to build inexpensive farm buildings. Hence the name 'POLE BARN'. I presume, corrugated metal roofing and rough cut lumber was also available then. Made a great utility building.
Last year I had a new deck built and they did the same thing with the cookie in the hole and no concrete. Also I'm originally from Illinois and the holes always had to be about 3' or so deep and here in Michigan they only have to be 18" because the water table is so high. Plus being on the down wind side of Lake Michigan it's just not as cold here as the other side of the lake
MIke, look into geocell on your road. I put it on my driveway and my gravel stays and I never have to grade it anymore even though I have a very steep driveway! if you want a video of it let me know. It has saved me thousands of dollars in stone and fuel!
Haha, the new hoses look like a Hershey kiss! Yeah I can see that (my first thought was an inverted heart!). Good to see Hunter & his smile! I enjoy reading the comments almost as much as the vids! (Can learn a lot from them, too!). Keep up the good work & take care!
Boy it is dry the dirt never stuck to the augger.
Good Morning Mike.... enjoy
Pete 🇨🇦
Hi Pete, Cool one this morning for us. Currently 38° F, going up to 63 with clear skies. Have a day! 😊
I use sika foam for anything non bearing. Works great and saves the posts from rot and decay. Works great.
It always great to see Hunter.
That auger is worth its weight in gold. Making it just a little taller in the backside as you were saying is a good idea. Great video Mike
NO CONCRETE,worked for a company here in southeast Texas. Set lots of 6x6s never used concrete!! Set post off string. Use same piece of lumber 1by or 2by set post off string slide lumber between post & string.
Did you call 811 for utility location before boring hoiles i the middle of the woods? WheeHaa! I found that washed pea stone is perfect for p;osts. 4 to 6 inches in the bottom then fill it up. Pea stone is self compacting. The more you wiggle the more it tightens. With your shale you have the same thing. I dare you to pull that post out by hand in a week.
If you've never used the expanding foam to set posts, you're missing out! Seals it all up from water and holds it plenty tight!
The post will last longer if you don't use concrete. The post will shrink leaving a space between the post and concrete. This creates a moisture trap speeding up decay.
It's nice that you can mill your own lumber. Looking forward to watching the build. Have a good day
Thanks you too
Am I wrong for hoping somewhere in the house th Hunt Man is hiding and plotting a level 9 payback scare? 😱 Go Hunt Man Go.!!
Hi Mike. Great video. I've done both clay & concrete. They all break on ground level. However. I've done more clay. Your right. No concrete needed. During my experiences of a small family farmer of 32yrs. Good Hunter story Melissa. Say Hi to Melissa's dad, Eva, Levi, Tyler, & Hannah. Have a good Thrusday night the 21st. 🥰🙂😉👍❤️💜🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🌫🌧
Camel City Mill socks are made in Winston-Salem NC. Our state was the Textile King for many years. W-S is the birthplace of our Awesome Krispy Kreme Doughnuts too!🍩🍩🍩
I did not know that
I drove through there on I-74 about 2:00 today on way back. Figure I was within a couple miles of that mill.
Mike…I agree on the mud! I had a dairy farm for years,and mud is a pain. The older we get we try to solve problems, life is too short to struggle if you don’t have to! Have a great,blessed day!
I've never put concrete in the holes, and they've always held well. Very excited to see how you build this, I have little to no carpentry experience and definitely need to get some things built around my place to cover my mill and get my log splitter under something as well.
Socks I totally agree after 40 years I found walking socks. Wool and doubled layer. The layer moves on the boot and not rubbing your foot. On my feet 8 hours plus a day and so comfortable.
As an ex builder, I agree with you Mike concerning the proximity of string to post. Always leave a very small gap. Same is true with concrete forms, etc. Leave a very small gap. Hope that you have great success with your project. Prayers for you and family ☝ 🙏 🙌 💪 in Jesus's Mighty Holy Eternal Name. Keep safe and discerning, be healthy and strong & successful. Blessings for all you hold dear and consider important. ❤👍
5 in of snow, and blizzarding here in the upper midwest right now.
Last time I did posts I used auto body undercoating on the portion going into the ground. I’ve since sold the house where the work was done, but posts still were rock solid.
1:00 I see you paint the log ends like I do to prevent them from drying too fast and cracking or splitting.👍
Good seeing you Hunter. You are looking great. Hope you all are doing well.
Much love
You're exactly right Mike I used to do pole barns for a living years ago and our rule of thumb when sitting post was up to but not touching the line
Love getting to see that flag fly in the background Mike. Your place is beautiful! Thank you for sharing. Can’t wait for the next steps in your out building. 🇺🇸❤️
Cut 2xs and laminate them for the beam glue and screw the crap out of it!
You aren't slow at this. Just a content creator. Limestone safe👍👍👍
Worked in my share of mud between the infantry and dairy farming and totally agree with your take on it.
My grandfather taught me at a young age that concrete is not necessary. Just make sure you pack the post as you fill it. I have never had a problem. Man has been doing it that way since the beginning I'm sure.
I can’t wait to see if it snows like 6 inches of light powder and you bring big birther out and just blow that fly powder back into the woods that’s gonna be phenomenal. Can’t wait to see that.
Melissa you did a fine job holding up the lights so Mr Morgan could get under with the excavator, and being interrupted from your busy schedule. I believe that should get you a bouquet of flowers and a steak dinner 😊
Hey Mike, we are here to support Mike’s tactical mission. Benjamin Franklin claimed that “some are weatherwise, some are otherwise” but I think we fit into the former category. And whether you are a friend of the “weather-guessers” or not, we will continue to provide you with forecast distant weather and ocean features anywhere in your part of the world. We even go as far as to launch twice daily balloon launches carry sensitive measuring equipment to determine the state of the upper atmosphere. More than likely we’re guessing (because that’s what we do) you’d probably noticed them and just wrote them off as from being from someone’s silly celebrating party balloon 💭 again? Wonder if we are somewhere close by your vicinity, maybe, but what we could tell you is that all of this information is used to forecast the effect the environment will have on Mike’s assigned daily missions?
That's definitely the best way to dig a post hole 👍
Mike on all of our implement sheds etc we never used concrete. Reason.. did not sell it in bags at that time in our small town. Those sheds were still standing when we sold the farm some 30 years later.
Hello from south Sweden. We got snow last night. Unusually early for us.
Another great video! I love the new construction videos, and the level of precision in setting those posts was quite impressive! 30' on the nose, and square. Well done, Mike.
I can’t wait to watch the progress. Would love to build something similar to keep firewood dry and or seasonal equipment storage.
It's always nice to see Melissa. She's correct it's better to not get upset and let anything steal your joy. God Bless
I use those socks all the time and absolutely looove them.
Great job on the post holes. It was good to se Hunter and Melissa. What a funny story she told😂. Cool video. 👍❤️
LOOKING GOOD!
First dusting of snow here in NWIndiana! 31 degrees this morning, unusual to get any snow before Thanksgiving. Thanks for the info on the Sox. I’m always looking for the perfect pair, so I ordered a 3 pack, will wait and see. Have a great day Morgan Family!
I don't mind getting dirty either, but I am with you Mike I don't like mud very much!!😅
Its snowing now...only today i think..up to 45 friday
A hole digger is one of the finest inventions EVER!
Ran excavator and dozer in Ct for 30 yrs. I also did more than my fair share operating a D handle shovel. Thawing frost mud is the worst and almost every year we had at least 20 freeze thaw cycles. I don't miss mud one bit !!!
Great job Mike !!!!!!
That makes nice holes, better than I could dig with a clam shovel.
I worked in the mud for 38 years- I’m with you!
Nice post auger . It beats the shoulder breaers and the one you screw in by hand . you got good wife , to come out in the rain and hold up the wire . Good job Melissa . SEEYA
Just follow Mike's lead on this. 😊😊
MIKE, I do believe that digging those holes, refilling, tamping, working in the rain, brings back WONDERFUL memories! 😂