@@CaffreyPlays Realism isn't stupid nor does it hurt game balance. I guess old school ghost recon would give you ptsd because you can't eat 15 rounds duck off and let health regen and you actually have to consider every move. I know this is an arcade shooter. I cut my teeth on quake1 and unreal tournament, and XD is slow as cold molasses to those games. If you ever played quake, I'm sure yiure the guy that said rails was op. I played both, when you were still a ghost in in God's bosom.
Shotguns as they were.. literally no point them being in the game. They were worse than useless. Now they’re useable. That’s it. Useable. They’re far from op.
Echelon is probably the best shotgun map in the game. I don't think they're a problem. They finally feel like shotguns. You likely would have had a similar game with an smg. We need to wait to see if the meta gravitates towards more shotgun players. If it does (doubt it will) then maybe they were made too strong. Time will tell.
I wouldn't say Shotguns are busted or OP, but they are in a better place they were in before. Shotguns still limit your mobility and do not provide bonus headshot damage.. if they were to reduce the spread debuffs from jumping, sliding and mantling and give them bonus headshot damage, they would be perfect.
@@CaffreyPlays I did read the patch notes, and there is nothing in there about increasing the mobility of shotguns, only their range. If you jump, mantle, or slide, your 1 shot KO will turn into a 3+ shot KO unless you are literally hugging them. That needs to be addressed still, they also do not deal additional damage when pellets hit the head, this also needs to be addressed. These changes do not make them OP/busted, these changes make them usable whereas before they were highly inconsistent.
@@DixieRebel1776 dude the first thing listed is an increase to both short and medium range as well as tightening the spread. I know for a fact you didn't look at the patch notes
@@CaffreyPlays That wasn't talking about the additional spread you receive from jumping or sliding. I did read the patch notes, I think you are confused on what I'm talking about.
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It depends on your attachments and target range, point blank - 5m hipfire will work, beyond that and i would begin to ADS. Personally I love the Pistol Grip, Chrome barrel and still deciding if I like the muzzle booster or range extender more, both are great choices.
@@jasonadersonwedion9874 it's confirmed they are way OP... And I do fine. Usually 50-10. It's always the bots that like the shotgun meta... Looking at you... 👉
@@CaffreyPlays you can feel the difference in your game when you switch from any other weapon, anyone who genuinely thinks it’s a good balance point is delusional, pick one up and your game is on easy mode
Before the last patch was rare to see someone use a shotgun but now this class became a Cancer to the community!!! We have to deal with The OP Snipers but now with a close 'range' sniper too!! ( Here's comes the low/no skill gap players comment get gud/skill issue🤡🤦🏻♂️) Even after the video show it soo clear they are busted!!
I agree the shotguns needed some buffing, but I do believe they went a bit overboard with the range. I’m get smoked from midrange, one shot, done. When the range is like this in my opinion it lowers the skill gap too far. I get they wanted to be a more casual game but this is making it too easy to get a kill. Just my opinion it shouldn’t be that easy to pull the trigger once to get a kill
@@jasonadersonwedion9874 oh I’m more than fine. I’m just stating that to pull the trigger once from mid range takes less skill. If you’re only response is get good, you really got nothing for me
@@CaffreyPlays The range is fine, nerf the range and they'll go right back to being nearly unusable. You ain't gotta be the fun police. Have you ever worked with game theory before? I have, and no offense but you don't know what you're talking about.
shotties are not op tho, still quite niche and very map dependant but now slightly more consistent
Dude they're busted....
@@CaffreyPlays If you think shotguns in this game are busted, you would have a meltdown in COD.
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It's not busted, it's actually realistic. 00buck at close range is a 1 shot. Look up a guy named Clint Smith and hear what he says.
@HoaxHoax-d5f realism is stupid and hurts gane balance. This game is an arcade shooter not a military sim
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Realism isn't stupid nor does it hurt game balance. I guess old school ghost recon would give you ptsd because you can't eat 15 rounds duck off and let health regen and you actually have to consider every move.
I know this is an arcade shooter. I cut my teeth on quake1 and unreal tournament, and XD is slow as cold molasses to those games. If you ever played quake, I'm sure yiure the guy that said rails was op. I played both, when you were still a ghost in in God's bosom.
Shotguns as they were.. literally no point them being in the game. They were worse than useless. Now they’re useable. That’s it. Useable. They’re far from op.
Nah they're busted. They fixed them in many ways but the range is too much
@@CaffreyPlays maybe for the double barrel, but everything else is fine, past 6 ish meters everything else beats shotties
@@JamesWick99 lol
The pump shotty has been my go to weapon since launch. Love the gun. Yes it rips but it takes A LOT of map awareness.
It's so strong. Just don't stare down any long site lines and you're golden
Echelon invisibility + shotgun = 😮💨
The cleaners are strong with the burn damage
Echelon is probably the best shotgun map in the game. I don't think they're a problem. They finally feel like shotguns. You likely would have had a similar game with an smg. We need to wait to see if the meta gravitates towards more shotgun players. If it does (doubt it will) then maybe they were made too strong. Time will tell.
Idk I see them in my games all the time. I think they over cooked the shotguns. Too much range
I wouldn't say Shotguns are busted or OP, but they are in a better place they were in before.
Shotguns still limit your mobility and do not provide bonus headshot damage.. if they were to reduce the spread debuffs from jumping, sliding and mantling and give them bonus headshot damage, they would be perfect.
Did you not see the patch notes? They literally did just that and they're busted. Wayyyy to much range
@@CaffreyPlays I did read the patch notes, and there is nothing in there about increasing the mobility of shotguns, only their range. If you jump, mantle, or slide, your 1 shot KO will turn into a 3+ shot KO unless you are literally hugging them. That needs to be addressed still, they also do not deal additional damage when pellets hit the head, this also needs to be addressed.
These changes do not make them OP/busted, these changes make them usable whereas before they were highly inconsistent.
@@DixieRebel1776 dude the first thing listed is an increase to both short and medium range as well as tightening the spread. I know for a fact you didn't look at the patch notes
@@CaffreyPlays That wasn't talking about the additional spread you receive from jumping or sliding. I did read the patch notes, I think you are confused on what I'm talking about.
I came after getting shot by these like they are snippers and I have a AK. Like one shot from across the map lol
I honestly hate one shot weapons in general
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Shotguns kill up close: overpowered! Broken!
Snipers one shot: easy! Broken! Over powered!
MP7 maps people: seems reasonable. Nothing to see here.
Asking for weapon balance is totally fair and normally. Having low skill easy weapons that stand above the rest is just bad game design.
i think xdefiant is at its best state ever
Hmm its getting better. Still some major issues I'd like to see fixed
I'd agree with you if it wasn't for the netcode.
Is it better to hipfire or ads with shottys ? Is the bullet spread better one way or the other? More damage?
Ads tightens the spread. You have to learn when to hipfire and ads. It will come down to judging based on the distance
It depends on your attachments and target range, point blank - 5m hipfire will work, beyond that and i would begin to ADS.
Personally I love the Pistol Grip, Chrome barrel and still deciding if I like the muzzle booster or range extender more, both are great choices.
Nah, they still suck. I remember the spas 12 in mw2. Now that was a proper boomstick
One tap weapons are stupid
Half the one shots u hit in this entire video wouldve been like a 3 or 4 shot before 😂
Ya no kidding. Tightening the spread made a big difference
Get good
@@jasonadersonwedion9874 bro what 😂
That's a tight map so the shotgun should be good
It's sooo strong on this map
watch everone will complain 😂😂😂 shotgun are fun and that's what this about right
Dude they're soooo strong now. I think they over cooked them haha
Barrel extender, choke, front and back leather grip, and a lightweight stock. Thank me later.
My build was sort of similar. All I really need is the chock and quick draw grip for the way I play
I run a very similar build, but I prefer the Chrome barrel, increases range for damage falloff.
2 pump at 10m. No dude. Thats so bad. Still near useless.
Should never be a 1 pump at 10m
Playing ranked against pump players = 🫠😵💫
Cancer
Like this video 😊
Ayy thanks
They are not op calm down
They're op
what's for dinner?
Ground beef
Ya, not Loving this update. OP shotguns isn't my thing... Stats are still wrong. Says I have a 1.9 KD and it's around 2.5-3...
goober
Get good they are not op
@@jasonadersonwedion9874 it's confirmed they are way OP... And I do fine. Usually 50-10. It's always the bots that like the shotgun meta... Looking at you... 👉
@@dylanjames6040 "goober" that loves shotgun meta... 👉
@@acidspaz4252 calm down kid
they now are annoying as hell to play against, the minute a decent player uses one it feels like use one or get fucked
Read the comments. So many people think they're fine...
@@CaffreyPlays you can feel the difference in your game when you switch from any other weapon, anyone who genuinely thinks it’s a good balance point is delusional, pick one up and your game is on easy mode
Before the last patch was rare to see someone use a shotgun but now this class became a Cancer to the community!!! We have to deal with The OP Snipers but now with a close 'range' sniper too!! ( Here's comes the low/no skill gap players comment get gud/skill issue🤡🤦🏻♂️) Even after the video show it soo clear they are busted!!
I hate one shot weapons. But at least in other games they require some skill. Shotguns and snipers are too easy to use and don't require much accuracy
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Yes it is
@@CaffreyPlays nah
I agree the shotguns needed some buffing, but I do believe they went a bit overboard with the range. I’m get smoked from midrange, one shot, done. When the range is like this in my opinion it lowers the skill gap too far. I get they wanted to be a more casual game but this is making it too easy to get a kill. Just my opinion it shouldn’t be that easy to pull the trigger once to get a kill
Get good kid
@@jasonadersonwedion9874 oh I’m more than fine. I’m just stating that to pull the trigger once from mid range takes less skill. If you’re only response is get good, you really got nothing for me
The range buff was very needed, now they need a mobility buff and bonus headshot damage and they'll be perfect.
Ya they overcooked them. Just need to bring the range back into a good place now
@@CaffreyPlays The range is fine, nerf the range and they'll go right back to being nearly unusable. You ain't gotta be the fun police. Have you ever worked with game theory before? I have, and no offense but you don't know what you're talking about.
After update are garbage
They're so strong after the update