I've never been so angry... - WAN Show September 2, 2022
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Timestamps: (Courtesy of NoKi1119)
0:00 Chapters
1:03 Intro
1:30 Gang is hungry, fast topics & MM's tonight
2:10 Topic #1 - USB 4 Version 20 Type-C standard
3:09 Specifications, discussing the naming
6:22 Confusing USB standards history
9:13 Responses to the Techlinked tweet, name confusion
17:07 Topic #2 - Japan "declares war" on retro tech
18:12 LTT's Windows 98 build, justifying costs
23:14 Minidisc's popularity, Linus on using fax
25:40 Discussing physical medias & animorphs
30:24 FP Poll - physical V.S. digital books
32:40 Discussing pirating, physical audio & Spotify
38:12 Sponsor - Squarespace
39:40 Sponsor - VULTR
40:26 Sponsor - Secretlab
41:08 LTT sponsoring UA-camrs, screwdriver colors
43:20 Luke guesses UA-camrs, Linus gives hints
49:49 Poll - Guess who is sponsored!
50:29 Topic #2 - AMD's Ryzen 7000 series
52:52 AMD claims Ryzen is faster than Alder Lake
54:32 Discussing sweetspot
55:24 Luke played Star Citizen, talks about bugs
56:24 Motherboard release dates, "Why choose Intel?"
58:31 Intel's 12th & 13th Gen V.S. AMD's AM4 & AM5
59:15 Poll result: Guess who is sponsored!
1:00:22 Luke on a potential collab with Glarses
1:02:02 PCIe Gen 5, SSD speeds
1:04:11 Topic #3 - Intel's ARC "is better"
1:04:58 Intel Graphics channel's video on RTT
1:06:22 Game emulation, Why consider ARC?
1:12:48 FP Poll result: pricing range for ARC
1:14:38 Driver is home, food is arriving later
1:15:56 Topic #4 - dbrand's Project Killswitch
1:17:12 Details, reserves, removed screen protector
1:18:14 Splitting accusations, dbrand's response
1:19:28 dbrand did not state much in the kit list
1:22:33 Linus on the funniest response from dbrand
1:25:26 Merch Messages #1 ft. hungry gang
1:27:28 Longest road trip, Linus struggles to shake
1:29:41 LTT-themed framework accessories
1:35:02 Games on Linus's, Luke's & Bell's phones
1:38:44 LTTStore ideas they liked, Colebar "idea"
1:47:05 Content creator Linus would work with
1:49:56 RAM slots on GPUs
1:52:11 Most memorable food
1:56:33 Country they want to visit but no chance to
1:58:13 A smaller LTTStore water bottle
1:58:52 Closed bio-system, NFC implant
1:59:30 Transitioning from small to medium business
2:01:38 Confidence in merch deployment
2:02:48 Holo lens for VR adoption
2:04:52 Linus on giving LMG employees a raise
2:07:02 GDP Win 3
2:09:23 Thoughts on AI winning an art contest
2:13:28 Favorite part of running a YT/Media company
2:14:16 Outro - Наука та технологія
This is not a WAN show without Luke's "BYE". REHOST!
-Timestamps-
[0:00] *Chapters.*
[1:03] *Intro.*
[1:30] *Gang is hungry, fast topics & MM's tonight.*
[2:10] *Topic #1: USB 4 Version 2.0 Type-C standard.*
> 3:09 Specifications, discussing the naming.
> 6:22 Confusing USB standards history.
> 9:13 Responses to the Techlinked tweet, name confusion.
[17:07] *Topic #2: Japan "declares war" on retro tech.*
> 18:12 LTT's Windows 98 build, justifying costs.
> 23:14 Minidisc's popularity, Linus on using fax.
> 25:40 Discussing physical medias & animorphs.
> 30:24 FP Poll: physical V.S. digital books.
> 32:40 Discussing pirating, physical audio & Spotify.
[38:12] *Sponsors.*
> 38:19 Squarespace site builder.
> 39:40 VULTR cloud servers.
> 40:26 Secretlab chairs.
[41:08] *LTT sponsoring UA-camrs, screwdriver colors.*
> 43:20 Luke guesses UA-camrs, Linus gives hints.
> 49:49 Poll: Guess who is sponsored!
[50:29] *Topic #2: AMD's Ryzen 7000 series.*
> 52:52 AMD claims Ryzen is faster than Alder Lake.
> 54:32 Discussing sweetspot.
> 55:24 Luke played Star Citizen, talks about bugs.
> 56:24 Motherboard release dates, "Why choose Intel?"
> 58:31 Intel's 12th & 13th Gen V.S. AMD's AM4 & AM5.
> 59:15 *Poll result: Guess who is sponsored!*
> 1:00:22 Luke on a potential collab with Glarses.
> 1:02:02 PCIe Gen 5, SSD speeds.
[1:04:11] *Topic #3: Intel's ARC "is better".*
> 1:04:58 Intel Graphics channel's video on RTT.
> 1:06:22 Game emulation, Why consider ARC?
> 1:12:48 FP Poll result: pricing range for ARC.
[1:14:38] *Driver is home, food is arriving later.*
[1:15:56] *Topic #4: dbrand's Project Killswitch.*
> 1:17:12 Details, reserves, removed screen protector.
> 1:18:14 Splitting accusations, dbrand's response.
> 1:19:28 dbrand did not state much in the kit list.
> 1:22:33 Linus on the funniest response from dbrand.
[1:25:26] *Merch Messages #1 ft. hungry gang.*
> 1:27:28 Longest road trip, Linus struggles to shake.
> 1:29:41 LTT-themed framework accessories.
> 1:35:02 Games on Linus's, Luke's & Bell's phones.
> 1:38:44 LTTStore ideas they liked, Colebar "idea".
> 1:47:05 Content creator Linus would work with.
> 1:49:56 RAM slots on GPUs.
> 1:52:11 Most memorable food.
> 1:56:33 Country they want to visit but no chance to.
> 1:58:13 A smaller LTTStore water bottle.
> 1:58:52 Closed bio-system, NFC implant.
> 1:59:30 Transitioning from small to medium business.
> 2:01:38 Confidence in merch deployment.
> 2:02:48 Holo lens for VR adoption.
> 2:04:52 Linus on giving LMG employees a raise.
> 2:07:02 GDP Win 3.
> 2:09:23 Thoughts on AI winning an art contest.
> 2:13:28 Favorite part of running a YT/Media company.
[2:14:16] *Outro.*
Not even a full minute after the stream ended, you're a wizard
Champion.
Bro the stream just ended…
They *HAVE* to pay you.
how-
typo in topic #2 btw
Not getting a Luke "BYE!!" at the end of the WAN show makes my week feel incomplete
Touch some grass nerd
Haven't gotten there yet. But if he didn't do that, that is a first ever
Luke actually did give a bye. Check the Facebook stream which ended a few seconds after the UA-cam stream.
Semms the stream ended abruptly. Hope he says "BYE!!" in the comments
@@ussj4brolli nope, afaik it's probably his second or third already during the pandemic before they changed their background. Now I'm thinking if Linus say the 'same bat time same bat channel' before.closing the show?
As a resident of Japan I absolutely love this guy declaring war on all of these ancient technologies, like the personal seals and fax machines. There are many things out here that are completely outdated and a real pain.
personal seals seem like something that could still be useful. If its like i imagine it, not for federal use. but for personal/business.
Ge i wrote this letter, this letter is unacceptable to publish in anyway to the internet for x reasons.
but its important the person knows its authentically from me beyond any doubt (my handwriting and my seal) and they are the first one to be externality informed and that is a important factor.
like a last minute schematic change needed to reduce x this from happening, but is min-ute enough to not submit a whole new form. (material composition changes and etc)
@@Dracossaint I watch Trash Taste podcast and these personal seals aren't as special as you think. They're the equivalent of finding your name on a Coke can. You have to bring a generic seal-stamper with your generic name at all times.
I personally love old tech, within reason.
Like a dial-up modem can swivel on a cactus, but DVDs, pagers, fax machines? These are so cool.
43:14
Linus: comes up with an elaborate scheme on how to tell Luke about who they're doing the collab with.
Luke: Guesses it on the first try.
Donut Media would have been a good one.
Fuck! A Slavic name in the comments of LTT!
Like didn't guess right though... Why did you say he guessed on the first try...
He only learns it later on.. and doesn't tell us
@@strydyrhellzrydyr1345 Marques is literally his first guess and this is the correct answer
@@ruslanetss I guess he didn't know it was marques and thought maybe project farm was the one they sponsored??? otherwise drinking big dumb juice.
With such a long show, love the format of letting people get the tech news that casual fans want and letting the more focused fans stick around to hear undirected content from some people we really trust and enjoy. Love it.
merch message is the best part unless there's a drama main topic ngl
For digital books, how much the author makes depends heavily on where you buy it. I've written a book. If you buy the DRM-free version on my publisher's website, I get half the cost (around 10$), which is really, really good. If you buy it on Amazon for your Kindle, otoh, the margins are so thin that in many cases I literally get *nothing.*
That's right, in some cases, 0 of what you pay for a book for your Kindle goes to the actual author. ZERO.
It's great to see the quarterly sales statements with the number of copies sold on Amazon, and the amount I receive. And by "great", I mean "soul crushing."
What DRM free websites would you recommend that properly support authors? I would rather pay for DRM free AND support the author.
This doesn't surprise me, as he pointed out digital cost just as much or more than a physical book. And just Amazon is the shittest. I like physical things still also, not sure what's more likely, house burning down or losing my digital crap.
@@Kiyometa IMO the most ethical way is to download a free copy wherever you can find it and then donate directly to the people who deserve it
If you get so little, why put it on Amazon? Amazon are terrible, so I'm wondering why you'd allow them to carry your book. Or is this a bad publisher decision?
@@itIsMePeople For publisher, it may be a great decision. For author, it may be not having much choice - how else are they going to get it into the world if not for tipping a long chain of people along the way?
I remember that even in 2010 when I first started college, my first drafting teacher requires that all his assignments be submitted to him using a CD that had the files burned to it. We had USB thumb drives and even electronics file submission through the college. But his rational was that we NEEDED to know how to properly burn a CD with files on it 🙄years later I haven’t had to do it since lol
I had a programming professor like that but his rational was that the CD/DVD was essentially your immutable final. No changing it back and logging into a server to update your files or handing in a usb at the final min. Also I believe he kept them in case of plagiarism. He had solid proof.
I had a teacher that basically did the same thing. Wish I could go back and call her a fucking nerd.
Thumbs up for the „New format“. I think it’s a good idea to have the merch messages at the end. That way you have the more „current“ topics at the beginning and more diverse topics for the end of the show.
It's as if they listened to me. wow
thank fcuk for that!
I also really like this format
Here in Japan it isn't just floppy disks; the number of places & businesses that still have to use fax & hard-copy storage is kind of crazy.
Even during lockdowns, workers & residents were required to physically go to a location to stamp their Hanko (signature stamp) on documents. It's a weird limbo between super high-tech and archaic; still love living here, though!
In the netherlands, especially healthcare also use fax, ngl even tho its old its still so much more practical to use than scanning the document, go back to the pc, save the document, write a small text in the email and send the document in the email. When fax is just a couple numbers, send and thats it. No need to go back to the pc and sit down.
It has some positive side effects like the reliance on physical cash instead of moving completely to digital payments that track everything you do and can potentially stop you from selling/buying by literally banning you (and we already have many precedents of this kind of abuse even in democratic western world). Many countries have aspirations to eliminate cash completely to have full control over citizens and it's a huge danger and a very easy path to tyranny.
Same in Germany, we had plans in the early 2000s to get better, abolished by conservatives returning to government.
Estonia is doing solidly
There is a point when paper becomes a bottle neck to productivity.
@@alio9302 fax is still frequently used in US healthcare bc securing it is much easier
Here's my problem with modern USB:
Yes, Linus, you're right that the naming scheme is fucked and you're absolutely right to call it out because it is fucking stupid. But there is a bigger problem. I cannot, at a glance tell you what a modern USB port does.
If my dad were to point at a Type C port on his device and ask me what it does, I would not be able to tell him and that's absolutely criminal. The fact that there are parts of the USB 4.0 (fuck you, it's 4.0, fight me!) that are option is goddamn insane!
And then you take another cable....
You have to read the specs of the laptop/mb and they are fucking hard to find
Considering that you can find usb 2.0 speed capable usbc ports is another problem
Most Cables are also not labled, normally only TB ones are 😮💨
That's why version numbers like in the Win3/Win3.1 example don't work well. If it's like "techgen.features.speed", the hypothetical 3.0.2 could be faster than 3.2.1 or 4.0.0. And this number still does not include the power delivery. So maybe stick with something like "techgen.features.speed#power" -> 4.0.3x2PD -> USB 4 without any additional features, Gen3x2 (3=20Gbps times 2 for lanes = 40Gbps) and power delivery. xD
Easy! It is a very high speed external accessories I/O port where you can connect, mouse, keyboard, storage devices, network cards, external displays, gaming devices, web cameras, printers, etc.. It is called USB and the speed is 80 Gbit/s
1:55:59 The WAN from Japan was my most favorite WAN ever 😂 the jokes, the camera just randomly dying, you 2 looking like trash because you were awake for wayyy too long. And apparently Ed passing out drunk lmaoo
What episode was this?
@@lurrielee2755 This one :D ua-cam.com/video/j5O8oqohgK0/v-deo.html
@@DesertCookie If you search “WAN from Japan” it should be the first result.
I love the new Mullet Format* of The WAN Show. (*=Business up front, party in the back.) Having the Tech Talk first and then follow with the MukMerch? MerchBang? really works well for me. Sometimes you kind of start late. (No! Say it ain't so!) And sometimes you kind of run long. Which I'm cool with. WAN Show gonna WAN. But there are times when I just want to go to bed already, but that conflicts with not wanting to miss a potentially important discussion. The new format gives me more peace of mind that I can skip the Merch Messages portion if things run too long for me. But it ALSO seems to have made for a more chill experience for you guys as well. And adding food for you, being there so late, actually kind of makes sense too. LOL Keep it up! Embrace the Casual Frizusday experience.
Usb naming convention is terrible not because they way they have decided to name it, but just the amount of times they have changed the way they name it. Ben is absolutely...no, OBJECTIVELY wrong.
There's that, but when they started renaming old version of the USB 3.0 spec as USB 3.1 and 3.2, those were actually bad and very misleading. If you go out and buy a regular USB 3.2 product right now, chances are you're going to get the same speed as USB 3.0 which was released 14 years ago, but most people won't realise that because it says 3.2 on it and a higher number means better, right?
@@thebuddercweeper Absolutely. Thats why I bought an intel cpu. Why buy a 7600 from AMD when you can get a 13900 from intel. Thats like twice the performance.
that's true, ever name itself is somewhat reasonable, but the sheer amount of difference is not.
If you make changes to a textbook (e.g. adding a chapter) you call that the second edition. It's the same textbook but with some changes. The second version of the USB 4 spec document is called version 2.0. If this is confusing to you then the document is not for you.
@@jfolz I don't think any tech people are arguing that its confusing in and of itself to them, rather that it's confusing why they would name it like that when 4.1 would work far better for both marketing and continuity, but it is definitely confusing (and can be misleading in some cases) to the general public.
Sure, you can have a second edition of a textbook, and this would be somewhat equivalent if it were called something like "USB 4 revision 1", but what they've actually done is call it a sequel to a sequel, it's like if The Empire Strikes Back was called "Star Wars Episode IV 2" or if Samsung decided that next year, instead of launching the s23 lineup, it would be called s22 2.0.
I know it's not the marketing name but as Linux explained it still has ramifications for actual consumers, and it is just a really really silly name.
I'm sure it makes perfect sense to the people who came up with the name because I can see their thought process, even if I disagree with it - "USB4" is supposed to be an umbrella term which can cover anything from what is literally just the same as USB 3.2 gen2x2 to an 80gbps Thunderbolt/DisplayPort/whatever else signal, and this update is an update to the "USB4" spec. The problem is, no one in the real world sees it like that, they see USB 4.0, just like we had USB 3.0, as a version number.
I like this new format! And as weird as it sounds I think the food adds to the show by giving bell some more time to contribute while Linus and Luke are eating
When it comes to reading USB version numbers, there are 2 groups of people:
- people who use the numbering scheme intended for developers
- people who have no idea there are multiple versions and just buy any cable that looks the same and assume it’s broken if it doesn’t work as well as another cable
Also if they used regular semantic versioning, then numbering would be well-defined:
- major version gets bumped if the new standard is not compatible with the spec of the old version (e.g. existing functionality incompatible/broken/removed)
- minor version gets bumped if the old standard is not compatible with the spec of the new version (e.g. new features)
- patch version gets bumped if the spec is unchanged but implementation is changed or bugs/issues are fixed
Wouldn't this mean the major version would never be bumped cause it's always backwards compatible xd
I remember having floppies for school work. Even had a 2 floppy carrying case in middle school. I was so excited when USB became an option and was an early convert in high school. Was so excited to get my first USB drive which I think was 32/64mb. Such an incredible upgrade.
Spider crawling up the wall @10:56 🕷️
perfect love that all the tech talk was at the first half i have finally really enjoyed a wan show since the wan show became 2 hours please stick to this format thank you it was really fun
I love how encouraging and charitable you guys are towards other UA-camrs.
I really like this updated show format!
Same bad time, same bad cha-
They've forgotten what the "U" in "USB" stands for.
uhhhhhhhhh
It means you can plug a printer and joystick into the same port.
@@heretolevitateme What about a toaster? Maybe a coffee machine?
Understandable?
@@pan5784 i mean you can if you're brave enough
Yeah, Intel's naming has some minor issues but at least they're consistent so once it's explained, it's pretty easy to remember i7 is the class, the first digits are the generation and the modifier at the end identifies it as desktop, mobile, low power, etc.. Good enough, thanks Intel for not coming up with garbage like hdmi or usb standards.
They're naming USB like I'm naming my revisions of papers 😅 _final, _finalfinal, _finalfinal2, finalfinal2a, _finalfinal2_revised__v3
I used to have a TS Clearance in the military I can tell you that we used a lot of weird legacy tech because of A: Restrictions of budget, B: Harder for Soldiers to fuck up and break, and C: Its harder to steal shit that's big and bulky. We had so many devices in restricted area's that used serial exclusively for the express purpose of making sure no one could plug in a usb device and steal info or put info into the system from the outside.
This actually makes a ton of sense in a weird way
@@fr8964 Plus a lot of that old tech has almost no bugs in it, and if it does, they are well documented and generally easy to fix. That's super important for things like navigation radar
I thought the first rule of TS clearances was you didn't speak about TS clearances?
@@busted4n6 fight club?
It's also because it takes years for the intelligence folks to vet new tech for said bugs. Old versions of Linux, for example, get analyzed and patched and analyzed and patched until they're finally cleared for sensitive use. Often a decade after they were first released.
USB group saw HDMI's cluster and said, "Hold my beer!"
would love to see a adam savage collab. he is outside of tech youtube and is in the maker UA-cam space and he has mainstream appeal. so much opportunity to extend the reach of the screwdriver
I see it being Henry cavil
Adam Savage would appreciate a good tool. While I like Henry Cavil, I don’t know if he’d be the better person to show off the screwdriver.
Stupid question, but did Linus actually announce who they sponsored? I can't find anything about an actual confirmed sponsor, just guesses from everyone else.
@@actionboy6934 Not to my knowledge but it might still be yet to be released
I just want to say, I love how Luke grounds Linus on the wan show. What a great pair
At least one of them has to be grown-up
@@gabriellakotainegabor1902 Don't forget that business Linus is very different from UA-camr Linus. He's all business off camera.
He really deserves a raise for that
I really liked this format. I feel like the show flowed well
Linus, it's killing me not knowing who the sponsorship is for. You got me on this one!
I think he might of accidentally showed here 1:12:33 pause when you see him switch to his screen. Lol
@@volcanodog12_0 He didn't...
1:26:50 in my experience, most places that take online orders for food these days do not include cutlery by default, and have an option where you can request it. It's to cut down on plastic waste, because many people don't want or need plastic cutlery. TL;DR it's that way for a good reason.
... I live in Germany and the only places I ordered, be it phone or online, that included cutlery were Sushi or other Asian food with chopsticks.
Usually when you order you're at a home and kinda expected to have your own or the office kitchen has some.
Take away that you pick up sometimes includes it, sometimes asks you and often you can just grab some yourself.
I've been looking at getting a Secret Labs chair for a while (so I'm familiar with the pricing). Was disappointed to see their advertised discount amounts are compared to their published "Non-Direct Pricing" - which isn't the regular price they sell their chairs for on their site.
Example - Been shopping for a Titan Evo 2022 XL. Their regular price on their site is $599. The "Non-Direct Pricing" (which is what you pay when buying thru a 3rd party vendor) is $659. They advertise you saving $85, but that's off the 3rd party price. If I'm on Secret Labs website, I'm not buying 3rd party.
japan still uses paper records with no digital backups(there has been a push to remedy this but there are still companies using physical paper only records), japan is both technologically advanced and stuck in the past depending on the industry and the area you find yourself.
Given their track record of keeping papers for 2000 years I don't see this as a negative. Only China has better record keeping.
@@jemiebridges3197 Exccept that we have lost the source code for quite a few games as well as software because it was kept on paper instead of tape or other long term storage solutions.
Physical books every single time. I read a lot digital, but there is something about a physical book. Interestingly I'm much prefer articles in a digital format. So it's not all reading that I prefer in physical format, though I do like audio books to certain extent, in part because like Luke I too can take a long time reading, but the physical book just is better than a digital one
It's also tamper-proof. And you can read it if your internet (and/or) power is out.
I prefer physical if my local library has it. But a digital version on my kindle isn't a bad alternative.
But in regards to ebook and audiobooks, I have so much trouble with ebooks. I was listening to the Lord of The Rings and Hobbit on audiobook but had so much trouble concentrating and retaining knowledge. I had to read for myself. Now after I read a book, a good audiobook might be an interesting way to have a fresh experience.
@@HAFBeast91 reading focuses the mind and our visual senses on the material, while audio allows us to wander figuratively. In addition we are accustomed to filter out noises while using our eyes in general and also generally speaking we do not filter out what we look at... These two behaviors make audio very easy for us to lose track of, which is what I find is why I tend to not like audiobooks except when I'm actually driving. Interestingly enough the very action of driving allows me to focus on audio input
I've been a WAN Show fan for many years. Love the new format, love eating while y'all are eating, feels like I'm having a nice meal with y'all while chatting about tech.. love it! :)
Worked with a company a few years back to integrate a scale with some custom software to integrate with SQL / MS Dynamics for validation and final process transaction. They were still using DOS software before the transition to Dynamics Nav.
Also one of the biggest companies I work with was using this backwards process of Scale > WinWedge > MS Access > MS SQL > virtual spooler > printer for a long time because that was literally the best way to do it in 2006. They changed over to Ignition recently and we were able to cut so many steps out of the pipeline, especially with being able to make custom Python scripted drivers, but it was a ton of work just for software consolidation and validation in just my part of it. Really crazy how archaic some things are, but some softwares, like Ignition, are really cutting down development time and cost to get into the modern era.
Liked the spider climbing up the wall getting his 15mins of fame 😅
I liked that the merch messages were at the very end. It would be great if they could maintain it that way.
@@liarrr sigh
Agreed. I don't mind them (so long as they aren't most of the runtime), but they shouldn't get in the way of the show itself. Especially if they're very specific questions, it just feels like a waste of time to have them on here.
@@Khado_Mills im not a bot btw i was high as hell
@@Matkatamiba It's the sole reason I watch this show honestly lol. All the actual tech news I need I get from TechLinked anyway.
@@liarrr ???
“Pickles, Lord of the Jar” omg I love it😂
30:50 with amazon it's been the case where counterfeit vendors will supply the poor quality physical copies of the books *on the main listing* and pocket the royalties that should be going to the author (and the saving they made from not doing all the QA). With digital that cannot happen from licensed platforms unless the platform itself was doing the stealing.
So when buying physical books from amazon double check who the supplier is of the book.
22:10 MiniDiscs were more popular in Europe and Asia, data capacity wasn't great (140MB), but since 2004 with Hi-MD extension they hold 1GB, so more than CD in smaller, protected package.
I was lucky that my schools IT guy was a family friend and an all around good guy. He always made sure to update the library PCs with USB drivers for me and the others. Hell he was even known for soldering and doing data recovery on those cheap 64mb thumb drives.
Yea
I come from a time when our personal computers were mainframes. So everything was always updated if there was an update to be done)))
@@marcm. No offense but nobody asked
@@Nelo390 "No offense but I'm gonna butt in and be offensive in a thread that has nothing to do with me."
What he is doing now?
My guess would be Tom Scott but it's a video for his second channel. It's like a perfect fit for the second channel.
Not sure I'd describe him as "physically adept"
@@DanKaschel That's a good point
Love this approach to merch messages being at the end! Thanks guys cheers
So basically Linus wants to make the Framework of battery banks 😂
The next usb version is USB 4 2.0 gen 2.1 3x2 .YES IT DOES MAKE SENSE WE ARE DEVELOPERS HURR DURR
I loved… my RCA Lyra. That thing rocked. Used it on flights and it was so convenient
I would love to see AvE take on the LTT screwdriver. we need to know if it's skookum or not.
Project farm already has and it will pass the Ave test
MiniDisc was really cool, a small cd, writeable and with a protecting case. Pre flash era just the best portable medium.
asthetics too
I think LGR has a great video on minidisc
Sound quality was pretty abysmal though. My player used the ATRAC3 codec that was much worse than even early MP3 encodes. Full quality was OK, but any of the long play modes were awful.
Indeed mini-disk system would have been a great thing to store for a long time
The disk have its own cover.
A disk will keep data better than a USB key.
You need a system really read only to be sure data can’t be altered … especially if you start to touch about people live and possession for a country …
I just had to wrap my floppy disks in tin foil so that they wouldn't demagnetize in the subway. How much robustness do you need? xD
Luke and Linus talking about Animorphs makes me smile inside. I loved that series. I wish the games and TV show were so much better than they were.
Also NGL - A collab with either Adam Savage or Tom Scott would be amazing
Mini Disc was actually very popular in places outside of the US/Canada. They were a storage medium in Japan, and were largely what was used for portable music, instead of CDs in Europe and Asia.
I want a class action lawsuit on the USB naming scheme, a huge fine, and them being compelled to make things crystal clear. There is no way in hell that this is incompetence, this is deliberate. I want the same thing for HDMI, before it's too late
those interface standards are like mobile phone applications nowadays. update first ,fix later. what have we become
Lol, if you don't like it. Join the Standard
Oh, it is deliberate. The dude's username is "laughing man."
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@@djhokage1 its their terrible naming squeme from the get go, the nemaming is not the worst part, and could easily be the solution.
just force them to do understandable names from the get go
My wife is a published auther and she gets 30% of her physical release and 50% of her digital release. They both cost the same but there is an initial cost to get it hosted on amazon so if you are not selling a lot of books it can be intimidating.
Another said here in comments he gets basically nothing from digital.
@@jasonmajere2165 I guess it depends on your publishers to make the agreements. That sucks for that guy though
I work for a transportation authority in IT. Speaking about old new hardware. All of our buses run on windows xp still. From what I understand this is true for most buses in North America too because there are about 3 companies that manufacture the hardware you use for something like a bus.
Basically there is a computer we call an OBS on the bus, it is a box, which no switches or buttons that runs embedded xp. It has pin connectors so it can have different aspects of the bus plugged into it. Farebox, GPS, modem, signs, etc... You can't just buy a small form factor computer and toss it in there because the hardware it connects to isn't a USB cable.
An OBS is about a grand too, and it's specs are awful. But it gets the job done, and they are built to be reliable not fast. They are meant to boot up not even having windows explorer running and boot the software drivers log into, and that communicates with the rest of the systems.
Linus did a great job on this video, he should get a raise
I feel Apple has IOS naming done pretty well, it has been mostly consistent and only been using numbers iirc (not including betas).
There mac series arent exactly.
@@LazyShady macOS has been technically consistent in its naming, even if they did linger on a single major release for over a decade. At least they didn't skip numbers, change the naming scheme half way through or rename old versions to pretend they're new.
@@thebuddercweeper part of their branding is selling every new version of their OS as totally new, different from the past versions (even if there are few new features)
@@josecod77 I've never really had that impression personally, they like to sell the new features, sure, but they never seem to try and tell you it's completely overhauled when it's not or anything like that (*cough* Windows 11 *cough*)
I like the new format, good change!
It's near exact 50/50 in terms of timing for actual content and Merch messages which is a bit annoying. The show itself used to be usually 1.5+ in content
I read both digital and physical books. I tend to buy physical books to build my library. I think there is just sentimental about it. I never had a lot of books as a kid so being able to buy them now is amazing.
Lol at Luke finally noticing the spider at 2:06:02. He should get a raise.
LoL, I just saw the spider and was looking for comments about it. Didn't got to the point where Luke saw it. He should definitely get a raise!
I have a working floppy drive in my Ryzen gaming system that I built about 4 years ago. I just enjoy the disks. They're useful to me at all. Inused to work in a machine shop that used floppy disks to load tollpaths onto modern Japanese wire EDM machines, many of which ALSO had USBa.
What motherboard from that era had a floppy controller on it?
@@gregdaweson4657 None that I know of, but they all have USB 2.0 headers, amd the internet sells an adapter for less than $3
FYI: minidisc was huge in Japan 👍🏼
Linus did a great job on the show today, you should give yourself a raise
Having been to Japan it feels almost retro-futuristic now. It's like it was futuristic in the 90/00s and hasn't really moved on a lot since then.
AV professional here... I just want to know how I'm going to be able to distinguish USB cables thrown in a bin. Lolol what a disaster.
We'll all have pocket cable verification?
@@bipbop3121 seriously though I'm pretty sure this is going to become a thing that I'm going to need to have as a professional live AV event tech. I already carry an RJ45 tester, a basic signal generator (Used to be just VGA back in the old days lol), etc. Now someone needs to make an inexpensive pocket USB cable tester that does nothing but tell me what a Cable is capable of.
Some of the companies I support still rock VIC20s in daily use to run there £500k+ machines so they just have got spare Vic20s still in box that I got to recap even though they have never been used but needed to be working and ready to swap out the production Vic, Mini Disk optical PC drives was a thing in Japan had a boss with Japanese Sony Desktop with a mini disk drive in it , storage capacity was not that high though but cool
28:50 This is Linus' ADHD. Hyperfocus, specifically. It's pretty common for ADHDers , but for those who don't know, we often have problems focusing AND unfocusing.
I think the "pay raise" suggestion is just a compliment showing how great their work is lol
Framework would seem to be a great partner for a power bank. What would be better than a power bank case, with an upgradeable motherboard, and set of connectors. Want to go from 2 USB C and 2 USB A to 2 USB C and 2 Lightning? You can do it. Want to upgrade from USB 3 to USB 4.5 3.0 120Gbps... after the massive therapy bill you can do that.
But also power banks should have other options like wireless charging, and maybe being able to do pass through or be your SD card reader. Ultimately it's a support device for your stuff. Want a bigger box that does more stuff? Take the batteries of your 10,000 mah bank out and put them in the bigger box, that can hold 20,000 mah OR a bunch of other upgrades and features.
Also if you got Framework involved they'd have a product that will sell reliably forever. Anker and Ugreen are doing pretty well with it. You could do something with 4680 batteries too perhaps ;)
On the last note (4680s) we'll have to wait until they get some of kinks worked out in manufacturing. Then again by the time the rest of the product is ready Tesla will have likely figured things out.
Dude, Adam Savage would have been THE guy to send the screwdriver to - just as part of his one day build series.
Or, even Stuff Made Here.
Uploading of songs wasn't in UA-cam Music when they announced they were shutting down Google Play Music, but it was added before it actually shut down seemingly in response to feedback.
With the Dbrand thing, tempered glass screen protectors are technically considered consumable items. Having them sold separately at all times makes it easier since they are designed to break and dissipate energy before it breaks the actual screen.
The physical vs digital book argument is hard for me. I love Japanese light novels, and I WANT to collect the physical versions, but getting the digital is often cheaper and just SO much more convenient. I can put the book into the Google play library and it's there forever, whereas I can lose or ruin the book and I'd have to buy it again. I prefer digital, but I really love the concept of collecting physical books (I'm broke tho) and holding a book to read. But the convenience wins out for me most times.
I actually like that they don’t automatically include the plastic forks. Though, if they have been established as the status quo, the change should be better communicated.
Fast food should always come with all utensils required to eat it. Even if it's some crappy bamboo fork or if they just stamped the lid so you can push out a fork, it's better than nothing.
I used to travel by train a lot, and often ate some quick takeout sushi. Was really annoying when the only one available at the train station supermarket had no fork or chop sticks.
@@daylen577 There is a difference between you going to the place and the food coming to your place. For sure, when you are in a restaurant, you should get utensils, even if it is for take out, but when you get it delivered to your place, I would say the default should be no utensils, since in most cases you have some and it is unnecessary trash.
Of course, you can order to a park or something, but then it is on you to request them. In LMG's case they could also easily find the utensils at work (probably they have some kind of a kitchen there) so the one-use utensils they would have gotten would be just for the convenience of not having to walk to the kitchen and that is not enough of a reason for me.
@@daylen577 really depends if its eat on the go og take home food. No need in the latter case
We have a sushi place in Denmark where you tick off what you need, from sticks to packaging and napkins
@@daylen577 I for one have travel cutlery always in my car. So every fork I get would go straight to the bin, unused.
I'm still waiting for LTT rackmount cases. I hope they come soon! Modular accessories for different configurations would be amazing.
Indie authors price their ebooks a lot more reasonably on Amazon because they make around 40-45% of their income from that source. Paperback sales from Amazon are 1-2%. The rest comes from people reading the books in Kindle Unlimited, where the authors are getting paid by KENP (Kindle Edition Normalized Page). Of course, they need to be exclusive to Amazon to be able to list their books in Kindle Unlimited.
Big publishers only price their ebooks so high to drive people into buying paperbacks/hardbacks where their margins (largely due to optimized print runs) are a lot larger.
18:55 Software developer here, no no, we like when things are done, don't require mainenance and run for decades, that is literally the hallmark of a job well done. It's our bosses / managers and customers who get bored and make us poke the 23 year old bear every now and then for various reasons such as TLM or changes to environment or third party contracts, etc.
You might like it that way but you need to look at it from management's perspective. Updating dependencies or even a re-write from scratch can make business sense if the code is either possibly vulnerable based simply on the age of the code or if it was/is becoming unmaintainable for one reason or another. Software developers are supposed to have a broader perspective than a programmer as it's their job to bring cohesion to projects and not merely bang out decent code.
@@Mavendow It's a trade-off. If you are a salaried developer then you cost the company money every day no matter what you are doing. To provide the best value, your time should be spent on adding value through new features and such, not on maintaining things already completed. That is called toil in the SRE world and should be avoided.
@@HalfMonty11 I see, I only code open source so I had no idea buggy shitpile was literally the industry standard.
@@HalfMonty11 Hey, just wanted to say sorry for being so rude in the previous reply. I spend way too much time trying to make commercial software function properly instead of getting work done. So when I heard that code rot was the goal of a commercial development team (tactfully rebranded "toil"), well, I got irrationally angry.
@@Mavendow no worries friend. There is absolutely criticism to be had of developers putting out trash that needs constant attention to run and there is also actual toil like that is sometimes an unnecessary burden put on developers by management that doesn't always make sense. I'm sure our perspectives are just based on what problems we've been mired in most recently
11:50 They can't name the new spec USB5 because it'd make the billions of devices in the supply chain that are labelled USB4 look old and out of date. This is to keep partners happy nonsense.
But that is not what they are asking them to do. They said name it 4.1 for example which shows its still USB 4 tech just more better
Just call it 4.1, just like USB 3, 3.1 and 3.2 would've been if they didn't rename prior standards
2:09:00 One of the best things for me about switching from iPhone to Android was the ability to retain notifications if you unlock or otherwise use your phone.
What, I though iPhone was supposed to be user-friendly. I can't believe it would work like that.
@@falsemcnuggethope Both have advantages and disadvantages. I would never say one is better than the other for a regular user (I get certain specific use cases can favour one or the other, but that isn't applicable to the vast majority of people).
Ever since switching my response to people asking me my opinion on which to go with has been to stick with what is familiar. That familiarity more than outweighs any benefits of switching for ordinary users. Unless, of course, you want to just play with something new then go for the switch.
Winamp still has the best shuffle. UA-cam music has the best suggestions
Fwiw USB 4 v2.0 makes sense to me as an engineer - think of it as being v2.0 of the spec DOCUMENT* not of the USB 4 spec. v2.0 is their way to explain to vendors that if they’re using 1.2 internally, they should refresh their understanding of the spec. This is super super normal and has been happening for decades. It just doesn’t usually get picked up by news
This should be totally disregarded - this info will never be exposed to consumers. M
Update: to clarify that I think the Gen3x2 stuff is total nonsense. It should be USB4 20/40/80 for sure
As an engineer you can't understand USB 4.2? It seems odd to me that making the naming scheme pointlessly more complicated is somehow better. There is no way in hell that terms like "SuperSpeed Plus, Enhanced SuperSpeed, and SuperSpeed+" make it more clear to you. And going from USB4 20Gbps to USB4 40Gbps is equally as stupid as USB4 Gen 2×2 to USB4 Gen 3×2. It would be so much easier for you as an engineer and us as consumers for this to be USB 4.0 to USB 4.2 or whatever decimal.
And to be clear, it was already exposed to consumers. We were just exposed right now. The same as it was the last time and the time before that. And companies will continue to use the stupid names, because they already do on amazon right now. It makes no sense to have no USB 3.1, USB 3.2, USB 3.3 and instead of USB 3.2 Gen 1 and Gen 2 and Gen 3x2.
Edit: I just have to know if USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 is the developer facing naming scheme, what is the name for that standard that a consumer is supposed to see? As far as I can tell there is none.
Nevermind I answered my own question. The customer facing name is...... USB3 SuperSpeed 20Gbps. This is the worst naming scheme ever.
@@3xceIIent yeah just to be clear - I’m not commenting on any of the consumer facing branding. I’m trying to say that, while you’re being exposed right now, it’s because of the inadequate research in the video -
I’m trying to do my best to put it into terms that make sense outside of this sphere
USB 3.0, 3.1, etc were completely different things to USB 4 v2. The v2 is used internally to describe an update to the spec that lists the different modes of USB 4.
*There’s no such thing as a USB4v2 device and there’s no such thing as a USB4v2 plug. There ARE such things as USB 4 20, 40 and 80 devices though.*
Does this help?
4.20=80Gps
Yep, that would be branding 😄
The physical thing to me is with video game consoles. I've always loved tinkering with emus on my PC, and collecting tons of roms that take literally no space is super convenient and was fun to do if only for my obsessive hoarder brain.
But as I would sometimes pick up my old consoles, I realized I really miss that physical part of it. It's definitely part of the experience. There's something just relaxing about going through the whole boot up sequence, waiting for disk read, waiting for/needing to manually save games, using old, wired peripherals. Big part of this is nostalgia ofc, and it's definitely not all good.
Like just in what I said here: wireless Bluetooth controllers are undistinguishable from wired unless you play competitive; instant saving/no loading time is great (I still think there is merit to manual save vs autosave, some games it fits better IMO); and beyond that, the visuals: getting a good image on old consoles requires modern solutions, the old composite, or even worse, RF cable really looks terrible on modern displays, they truly only fit well with CRTs, but yeah while I think blurry CRTs were part of the charm of many consoles, many games really gain from the crispiness of better displays, especially with emulation enhancements; I also enjoy being able to use any controller, and remap controls the way I want; and netplay is a pretty cool upgrade.
That said though, while super convenient, I do find the infinite digital storage and almost no hardware interaction of emulation or modern consoles to just be boring, when I think of how we used to do it. It definitely makes the current game I'm playing to feel more special, vs picking one single text line from a list of hundreds.
It's kinda like buying factory-made vs making your own pastries. It tastes special just from the fact you took time and effort to make it (can also be because you burnt it 😅). I guess it's about giving importance to this instance of a thing via its medium of presentation. A whole physical cartidge with label art and the need to insert and remove it vs a number in a list.
I must say I do enjoy being able to quickly jump into some games though. On my Switch, I have my multiplayer games in digital so it's easy to switch around when I'm with people. The mechanism to put in and remove the carts is also a bit tedious and fragile so it's not as quick a process as it even used to be, last time being the DS.
(And I know about digital and the risks of unavailability, I just trust emu will keep it alive after that point so I don't worry too much about it. That's an interesting thing though: we do lose a bit of the original experience with emulation, it'll never be 1:1 identical. But as long as it's almost identical, and has no noticeable input lag, I'm ok with it. I still enjoy being able to go back and use my old stuff in its original intended performing environment though, just to be able to go back and see how it was (and often realizing it wasn't that much better than emu (I'm done with tangents, parentheses, and this comment now.)))
I work for a large government Physics lab (DOE) and we use an ESR (electron spin resonance) spectroscopy machine. It not only used windows 98, it's an old Gateway 2000 machine. We use zip disks to get the data off the machine. To update our computer, we would need to update our controllers for the ESR and the interface, a $2000-2500 computer would cost us about $300-400,000. So, we just make do!
I'm going to guess that the screwdriver sponsor spot is with Smarter Every Day, it would make perfect sense, he is all about mechanical things and doesn't do much computer stuff.
This would be perfect
I guarantee you that if the usb standart is designed by engineers, the internal spec is something like 4.1.2rev7, which the marketting guy should have just truncated down to 4.1 but decidded to be an idiot about
if it was designed by comittee, well, all bets are off.
if by artist it would be, usb Thunder cat pro. usb - panther pounce meow!
About the old hardware / software,
I remember having retrofit a beer factory PLC system.
They where using old stuff from 20year ago and the main problem is the machine can’t be shutdown.
Having to de everything while the e machine is running was wild.
First all sensor and actuator cabling system must have a parallel system to be able to be controlled by 2plc at the same time.
Best part, everything worked at the first time and h the beer was good.
I used to work in a semiconductor lab manufacturing substrates which would go onto be assembled into modules. Interestingly aside from equipment that did not run a windows OS. There were equipment there used during the assembly (wire bonding machine) used like W98 I do believe. The cold and hot static testing machinery used, used windows xp and windows vista (connected to a network).
Interesting stuff for the discussion of using old hardware/systems. Worked their like 4 years ago maybe.
Timestamps for all you Fans
Intro @1:04
Foooooodzz @1:39
USB 4 2.0 @2:10
Japan the Man @17:10
Linus wants Google Music Back @36:45
Sponsor Plugs @38:15
LMG Sponsor Endeavors @41:03
Luke's Guessing Game @43:30
Ryzen 7000 News @50:32
Intel Speaks! @1:04:05
DBrand Backlash @1:16:05
Foooooooodzz Arrives @1:26:03
Linus shares Food Learner Permit Story 🤣 @1:28:00
Lukes Din Din Stories @1:35:15
More Merch Messages @1:50:15
FlyBoii on backdrop @2:05:50
Finishing out the stream with more numz numz @2:13:05
Enjoy my snippet into timestamps everyone and have a great day!
Linus completely missed the point on the art contest. The whole problem is it winning a contest where human-created art was competing. It should have been in its own separate category.
Linus' point was that the contest should have rules in place to make this requirement specific.
for the fax machine, we had one for PO too, but this was not because we wanted to use it but because the vendor required it as there were legal implications at the time with other mediums, fax and timestamps were still accepted by courts. but that has changed.
21:50 Mini Disc was Sony’s baby and it was very popular in Japan. It was absolutely the best option at the time and I adored mine. People thought it was insane.
I'm excited to see project farm vid! I watch his channel each Sunday. And i just ordered the black orange black shaft too.
Animorphs... holy nostalgia
God I'm old.
LOL just checked Wan Show from Japan, Memories
As a product manager we call 1:33:00 the TAM, SAM, and SOM. It's a crucial facet of any business case.
21:02 - This is so funny to anyone who's been to Japan and especially if you've lived there. Like, everything happens on paper still. They're still a wholly cash-based society. Paying with card anywhere but a bigger convenience store is unexpected. My girlfriend lived in Japan for a semester a few years ago and talked about how everything happened via snail mail instead of online sites and email. Arriving at the country to get your tourist JR pass sometimes takes hours because they have to do everything on paper, copy it five times, stamp it, make a call to some office, make a rain dance, etc even though you've already paid for it and supplied your photo for the pass before even entering the country.
I went there 3 years ago and it surprised me how much tech japan produces but doesn't itself use out of tradition.
BYE
Ok, I get the reasoning on USB4 2.0. They are saying: we are making a single spec: USB4 80Gbps. And to write that spec, they go through multiple iterations in writing the doc. But there will be only a single spec. But still I would say that if you are making a new standard compared to USB4.0, just call the working title of the spec 4.1 indeed, and then if you need to iterate over the document before it's finalized, just call the document 4.1-dev1 or 4.1-rc1 (release candidate) etc, depending what your stage is. They are all pre-release versions of the spec. The 4 in USB4 is now used as part of the "brand" and not a "version number". And because it can't be used for semantic versioning, devs now added a separate semantic versioning to the process again, to keep track of the doc. But since the 1/2/3/4 were version numbers before, now it sounds like there are 2 separate version numbers with different meanings. Publishing a doc expecting that only the intended audience (devs) will read it is just naive.
I am digital everything, but the book thing really hits home. There's something satisfying about having a beautiful library and grabbing the physical book from it. Apart from that, digital everything!!! Haha